I have CS5. Jerry is absolutely correct. You cannot restore quality when you res them up, though I suppose you can use the text tool to replace the text.
Dave
Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow
Roar,
Changing the dpi will not make a sharper image. Each of Tom's files is 72 dpi. I use Photoshop CS6 and I can make those files any size but they will still have the jaggies.
Jerry
Jim Thorpe, PA (The Switzerland of America)
mr_class Good grief, Tom! I have never seen so many great signs in one place. As noted, the resolution is not enough for a good, sharp HO billboard sign on my layout. Of course, the files with the fewer signs are better. Thanks so much for the time and effort. Jerry Jim Thorpe, PA (The Switzerland of America)
Good grief, Tom! I have never seen so many great signs in one place. As noted, the resolution is not enough for a good, sharp HO billboard sign on my layout. Of course, the files with the fewer signs are better.
Thanks so much for the time and effort.
They are, of course, at WEB resolution of about 96 dots per inch.
If you have reliable photo or printing applications this can be changed to the normal 300 dots per inch resolution required for printing on a printer or a printing press.
LION uses Serif PagePlus and/or PhotoPlus for this kind of work. LION swipes photos from the intenet all of the time, pastes them in a newsletter, and then changes the properties of the photo from 96 px/in to 300 dpi. It is so easy that I can do it even without thinking of it.
ROAR
The Route of the Broadway Lion The Largest Subway Layout in North Dakota.
Here there be cats. LIONS with CAMERAS
Thank you all for enjoying the signs. This thread is open for others to post signs. Also I would like to see photos of these signs on your layout or in your modeling.
Some great signage on this thread...AWESOME work . Much appreciated...thank you!
Happy Modeling!
Don.
"Ladies and gentlemen, I have some good news and some bad news. The bad news is that both engines have failed, and we will be stuck here for some time. The good news is that you decided to take the train and not fly."
Great service you have done for the hobby, Tomkat. I do hope you will continue.
Roy
Hi Tomkat.
Thanks for all those ads. They were excellent and I'm using them. Thanks for thinking of us.
Good job!
The thread that was removed was on background buildings that I had started way back in spring of 2011. There was a copyright issue on some of the texture I used on the buildings from Clever Models. They had MR remove the Thread.
( http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/11/t/190349.aspx?PageIndex=1 )
From MR: "The forum user's façade drawings that you stated have used Clever Models "wall textures" such as brick and siding are no longer on our forum."
My mistake, I was following both threads.
Phoebe Vet Isn't it odd that the original claim of infringement has been removed from the thread? Was it a hoax?
Isn't it odd that the original claim of infringement has been removed from the thread?
Was it a hoax?
It was on a different thread. That thread been removed. It has nothing to do with this thread.
Refer to this thread for a discussion of the issue:
http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/11/t/215433.aspx
I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.
I don't have a leg to stand on.
PV,
What are you referring to?
Rich
Alton Junction
I want to thank everyone's imput. I think that there are enough signs here for everyone & I plan not to add anymore to be on the safe side. It is now in the hands of MR forum. I was glad to share with the members of this forum & plan to spend more time on my own modeling. I do realy enjoy this hobby & all I have met in the last 30+ years. tkat
Rich,
I get your point. The move along thing is something my father used to say when things were being blown out of proportion. I did not mean for it to sound like my post should be the end of the discussion.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It just bothers me when that opinion is based more on speculation, and less on easily obtainable information. And that seemed to be the case here.
My apologies.
Chris Ballinger
Modeling the Clementon Branch of the Pennsylvania-Reading Seashore Lines in HO scale
Chris, I was referring to your "Nothing to see here folks. Move along" comment.
I took that to mean that we were belaboring the point when there was nothing left to say.
You seemed to be assuming the role of forum cop, thus my comment.
richhotrain PRSL6006 Nothing to see here folks. Move along, move along. . . I think we had until you bumped this thread to the top once again.
PRSL6006 Nothing to see here folks. Move along, move along. . .
Nothing to see here folks. Move along, move along. . .
I think we had until you bumped this thread to the top once again.
Really? I ask because the last reply prior to my post was yours, and it was only a little over 24 hours old. I consider the topic still relavent as well as unresolved.
Further, you yourself said that one should be familiar with copyright law, so I took the time to do so. Come to find out that this isn't even a copyright issue because it is advertising, so I posted my findings in the hope that A) this archive survives and continues to grow, and B) to give Tomkat some peace of mind that no law has been violated.
Stones are being thrown, and no one seemed to want to find out if there was even a problem to begin with. I did want to know. I did the needed footwork. I have an answer, and I posted so that the prosecution of the OP over this issue would cease.
Sorry for the tone of this post, but where I come from one finds out if the problem is even valid before one starts pointing fingers.
The real question here is what are the rules when it comes to copyright of advertising. An internet search turned up the following:
Copyright laws for print advertising cover the use of company logos and original images. This allows companies to protect brands while encouraging them to incorporate new styles and original works into advertising campaigns. Copyright protection is not granted to the language used in advertisements, meaning companies cannot usually copyright an entire print ad as an original creative work.
Copyright law in the United States does not extend intellectual property protection to an advertising slogan or other short catchphrase. Your business is also prevented from copyrighting its name, according to the U.S. Copyright Office's website. You can trademark your business name in the style in which it is depicted through an application with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. You may also trademark a signature phrase or slogan from an advertising campaign.
Copyright law prevents another person or business from appropriating your intellectual property for profit without your express written permission. Without this permission, you retain sole rights to profit from the sale of your original work and create derivative creations based on your work. For example, if another business were to appropriate the original logo of your business without your permission, you would have grounds to sue for copyright infringement. Infringement occurs because the offending business is attempting to profit from the value and consumer loyalty associated with your business's logo.
So what does this all mean?
A: Most advertising and company logos are not protected by copyright. Logos and catch phrases may be trademarked however.
B: Copyright law may come into play in the event a business is using the intellectual property of another company for PROFIT. Think the whole Union Pacific Logo debacle. Hobby companies were using the logo to sell their own products, and thats where the issue lay. Otherwise Pelle Soeberg should have gotten a cease and desist order a long time ago!
Think about it folks. . .this is ADVERTISING! Companies want you to recognize and purchase their product. Why on earth would any company want to stop that advertising from being seen as much as posible?
Tomkat, I don't think you have crossed any lines. I look at it this way, this thread has been up for years. Don't you think Kalmbach would have gotten a phone call by now if there was a problem?
It is too bad that we live in such an over litigated society. We are hobbyist. We do this for our ENJOYMENT not for PROFIT!
wp8thsub A statement of policy against posting of copyrighted material does not necessarily absolve the host of responsibility. If the host knows, or reasonably should know, of a violation and continues to keep such material accessible through its forum, there could be trouble. The OP has indicated he is unaware of any copyright problems that could arise from his signs, which is good. I have had this thread saved in my favorites for some time, so I hope it stays as well.
A statement of policy against posting of copyrighted material does not necessarily absolve the host of responsibility. If the host knows, or reasonably should know, of a violation and continues to keep such material accessible through its forum, there could be trouble.
The OP has indicated he is unaware of any copyright problems that could arise from his signs, which is good. I have had this thread saved in my favorites for some time, so I hope it stays as well.
Rob, with all due respect, your reply leaves a lot open to question.
Just because the OP is unaware of any copyright problems does not necessarily mean that there are no copyright problems.
If Kalmbach has any concern over possible copyright violations, then it should remove the offending thread.
So, to hope that this thread survives in the face of all of this controversy may be wishful thinking.
richhotrain wp8thsub If the copyright holder(s) became aware of the postings there could be nasty legal consequences for Kalmbach. Not really. The use of copyrighted material on the forums is specifically prohibited. It is the responsibilty of the poster to determine if such material is copyrighted.
wp8thsub If the copyright holder(s) became aware of the postings there could be nasty legal consequences for Kalmbach.
If the copyright holder(s) became aware of the postings there could be nasty legal consequences for Kalmbach.
Not really. The use of copyrighted material on the forums is specifically prohibited. It is the responsibilty of the poster to determine if such material is copyrighted.
That depends. A statement of policy against posting of copyrighted material does not necessarily absolve the host of responsibility. If the host knows, or reasonably should know, of a violation and continues to keep such material accessible through its forum, there could be trouble. Various hosting services with similar policies to the Kalmbach forums take down material reported as, or suspected of, infringing on copyrights all the time to avoid legal repercussions. Photo hosting sites like Flickr and Photobucket do this, as well as video hosting sites like Youtube and Daily Motion. I've seen plagiarized text and stolen photos removed from other forums (not necessarily model train related) at the request of legal counsel, so it does happen.
Rob Spangler
The signs were found from auctions like on ebay & other auction sites.
tomkat-13All who know me on this forum know that I just shared the images. I never sold or tried to sell anything.
It's important to understand how US copyright law works in this regard. Whether any payment is exchanged is immaterial. Making copies for one's own personal use is one thing. Distribution of copyrighted material to others, even for free, is normally considered a violation of the law unless the holder of the copyright specifically provides for such distribution.
When MR used to publish scale plans all the time, I recall them having a prominent notice to the effect that the purchaser of the magazine may make copies of the drawings for his/her own personal or commercial modelmaking, but does not have the right to distribute copies to others. While not specifically stated in all such notifications, such distribution includes providing free copies. It's the same principle at work.
I would hope none of the images assembled into the groups of signs in this thread are sourced from copyrighted material. If the copyright holder(s) became aware of the postings there could be nasty legal consequences for Kalmbach.
BroadwayLion LION supports you and your work. Keep up the good work. Most of the images are old enough to be in the public domain, there are a few of corporations that still exist, if they have a problem they would have to contact you each one individually. It looks to me that all of your work falls within fair-use.
LION supports you and your work. Keep up the good work. Most of the images are old enough to be in the public domain, there are a few of corporations that still exist, if they have a problem they would have to contact you each one individually. It looks to me that all of your work falls within fair-use.
I don't know the whole story since its spread over a couple threads, but from what I can piece together the story would be something like this.
A company collects images of period signs, scans them and sizes them to scale size. They sell sheets of these signs. They have also posted pictures of the sheets on line in their catalog for people to look and and decide to buy.
TomKat has copied the images from that catalog and posted them to this forum so people can print them out and they won't have to BUY the sheets from the company that took the time to scan the signs, size them to scale and assemble the sheets.
TomKat's "good" and "hard" work consists of copying the good and hard work that somebody else has done and posting it on a public fourm.
In some contexts this could be considered theft or piracy. TomKat wasn't selling anything and says he didn't understand what he was doing might be considered suspect.
LION, would you say I was doing "good" work and thank me for my "hard work" if I had taken the latest hit CD or DVD that was on sale at a store, made copies without the store or the record company's permission, then stood outside that store and handed out free copies to passerbys? If you do then you order must have some interesting vows..
Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com
BroadwayLion LION supports you and your work. Keep up the good work. Most of the images are old enough to be in the public domain, there are a few of corporations that still exist, if they have a problem they would have to contact you each one individually. It looks to me that all of your work falls within fair-use. ROAR
I don't use any of these signs, so it doesn't matter to me, but if I were constantly posting images such as these, I would want to be familiar with copyright and trademark laws, public domain, and fair use.
The mere passage of time is no guarantee that such images may be freely posted or distributed.
All who know me on this forum know that I just shared the images. I never sold or tried to sell anything. Again I say I'm sorry for this & will not post any image that is not total in my own making. This goes for the signs also. It is now up to MR if they want to remove this tread. I am a type of person that just wants to pass on anything that might help others. Again I have ment no harm to any owner of the sign images or to MR forum. I am pleased for all who have supported me in the past. THANKS! tkat
I guess we need to hear from someone about the origin of this stuff.
I recall the snafu between the railroads and the hobby manufacturers over images, and logos, and icons, even for fallen flags, that were being used on models.
Are there potential copyright or trademark violations with these signs?
I have been waiting for Tomcat's reply. If they are indeed copyright material then they should be taken down. If only some of them are, perhaps they could be removed and his originals remain.