wrmcclellan wrote: laz 57 wrote: ROY, I hear ya. Try explaining how to read a ruler? WOW they don't know fractions,what they are how to write them, how to take half of a fraction,and what they even look like. When I say a quarter of an inch they look at me like I was gut shot or something?laz57Laz - you got that right. My daughter and son struggled with fractions and understood it when I taught them - but the way I taught them (ratio to 100 + old school rote learning) is different than the garbage, "feel good", graphical way they teach it today and thus they scored low (better than not scoring at all) because when they showed their work it did not match the current teaching standard.
laz 57 wrote: ROY, I hear ya. Try explaining how to read a ruler? WOW they don't know fractions,what they are how to write them, how to take half of a fraction,and what they even look like. When I say a quarter of an inch they look at me like I was gut shot or something?laz57
ROY, I hear ya. Try explaining how to read a ruler? WOW they don't know fractions,what they are how to write them, how to take half of a fraction,and what they even look like. When I say a quarter of an inch they look at me like I was gut shot or something?
laz57
Laz - you got that right. My daughter and son struggled with fractions and understood it when I taught them - but the way I taught them (ratio to 100 + old school rote learning) is different than the garbage, "feel good", graphical way they teach it today and thus they scored low (better than not scoring at all) because when they showed their work it did not match the current teaching standard.
Those teachers should be lined up and flogged. I can't figure out alot of these new teachers we have today? When I started out 24 years ago it was new teachers shut up and listen to the older ones. Today its shut up to the older teacher cause YUZ GIZ don't know nothing. We got the latest teaching techniques and we know it all. So I just shut up and leave em be,cause I still NO NOTHING. OK I feel better. I bettter go run some trains.
RockIsland52 wrote: Chief, did you remember to pack your thong?
Chief, did you remember to pack your thong?
Ow! The closest thing to that vision was the shot they showed night before last on the Tonight Show of Larry the Cable Guy's "nude" scene in his new movie. Ow! Ow! Ow!
Regards, Roy
Ok I understand how to get my kids thru school...
What about the origional comment about No Child Left Behind? How do we insure that these kids learn to read??? It sounds like there is a growing population of children that simply can't do basic math and read. It should fall on the parents to help their children, but it sounds like we still get kids that can't read. What do we do? Yes We. We get stuck paying for this later.
What do the teachers need to get these kids to read and do math?
Kurt
Brutus, glad things have gone well with your Mom. Hope her PT goes well and that she is on her feet and running down grandkids soon.
Roger B., the train watching place I believe you are thinking of is in Folkston, GA. It is known as the Folkston Funnel where 60+ trains per day run. I believe most, if not all are CSX. They have a museum and a viewing platform there. The museum etc. can be found at www.folkston.com as for the town, it is pretty small, so if you can find it on a map, I think you would be able to find all the places in the town.
As for schools, after looking hard at a number of options, we opted for private Christian School. The public schools tend to teach too many things we do not agree with. Thanks to the NEA, they operate with impunity. They can force the kids to read the koran in the name of "cultural diversity" and tolerance, yet let a kid bring a bible to school and so much for tolerance.....OK, I am off my
Got told today that a assistant who's husband works for Georgia Power got a Lionel Trainset from work today. Not sure if it is the 1996 Olympic set or if it is a new one. Either way, I told her that I was interested. I hope to find out tomorrow. She told me he thought they were going to start a new program similar to the Conrail one that KLine made trains for. If this is so, I will aquire the set....which will be neat.
Onto other topics, getting ready for our trip to Atlanta. Hope to get some train time in, but mostly, a little time away with the family. Hey Guys, don't forget the flowers and candy tomorrow! Hate to hear of the demise of our friends here do to a angry spouse!
God Bless,
Dennis
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Kurt, You nailed it my son ! Unfortunately their are and have been far to many educators and PARENTS who are ardent believers in the "Touchy-Feeley" aspects of raising and educating children. There are far to many kids being raised with no sense of responsibilty for their actions, and there is more than enough blame for the schools and parents to share. You have education professionals who are against almost any kind of punishment, and you have parents who believe that their kids never do anything wrong and if they do the response is "well kids will be kids".
Sorry to sound like a grouchy old you know what but if the kid is not in school to learn but all they do is cause disruptions and talk back to the teachers bounce their butt rite out of class and out of school, period. If the parents aren't going to demonstrate some discipline, I guess it will be incumbent for the school to show some.
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wrmcclellan wrote: RockIsland52 wrote: Chief, did you remember to pack your thong?Ow! The closest thing to that vision was the shot they showed night before last on the Tonight Show of Larry the Cable Guy's "nude" scene in his new movie. Ow! Ow! Ow!
I thought you were going to say the Westminister dog show and I looked like one of the dogs. Anyway, the answer is NO. Don't want to cause a riot on board with all the women leaving their husbands and ladies leaving their boyfriends.
Packing to do. Later
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Thought provoking questions, Kurt.
I still maintain that when it comes to the basics, parents have to rely on themselves, before the child goes off to school. Reading, writing, math, and language skills. If a child's confidence is bolstered because she/he excels in those first few years of school as a result of the foundation we lay at home, that is the true "self esteem" we want to instill in them. They will look at a challenge as something they CAN overcome because they have already done it before.
I learned numbers and counting playing poker or fish with my father and uncle. Fractions while splitting up a pizza at the dinner table or getting them beers at a family function. Flash cards. Games that require strategy and problem solving. Discussing team records and batting averages. Reading daily. Vocabulary exercises. They were teaching me as part of their daily routine. Rote memory, practical application, and endless repetition. A child needs it all. And we as parents have to make the time for them.
I guarantee you can teach your child the alphabet, numbers, addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division, fractions, reading, phonix, vocabulary, writing skills.......as good as anyone, teachers included.
Jack
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Kurt,
My son is 5 years old in kindergarten. He already can read and write, count/add, count money (by 5s, 10s, etc for change), and is doing very well with problem solving. He can speak some spanish and is starting Mandarin Chinese this month....thanks to private school and caring parents. I have friends who are teachers and I understand that in many cases, we have good teachers who have their hands tied by a system that sets the bar by the lowest common denominator. They teach a kid to take a test and not to learn a subject. In the end, the good teachers become jaded from the system and bad teachers are teniored till retirement.
dwiemer wrote: Kurt, My son is 5 years old in kindergarten. He already can read and write, count/add, count money (by 5s, 10s, etc for change), and is doing very well with problem solving. He can speak some spanish and is starting Mandarin Chinese this month....thanks to private school and caring parents. I have friends who are teachers and I understand that in many cases, we have good teachers who have their hands tied by a system that sets the bar by the lowest common denominator. They teach a kid to take a test and not to learn a subject. In the end, the good teachers become jaded from the system and bad teachers are teniored till retirement.Dennis
EXACTLY. I am still trying to learn to get to the point. Beautiful, Dennis.
Playing with trains.....I have my just turned 4 granddaughter counting cars, the number of wheels on the cars, colors, laps around the track, and the voltage numbers on the transformer so she knows her numbers visually and that too many volts means a crash. Put on two cars. Take off four cars. I read to her "The Little Engine That Could." "I think I can, I think I can." When time is at a premium for today's parents, we have to get creative.
I've tried to stay out of the education discussion, but feel the need to chime in... I have friends who are educators and they aren't all nut cases. THE problem with Public schools is they have to let ALL kids in, yes I mean ALL kids. They can't be choosey like private schools so the public schools end up with kids with all levels of learning abilities. The problem with No Child Left Behind is the program lumps ALL kids together, so the kids that have learning disabilities are lump together with the 5.0 Advance Placement kids. NCLB also requires that every child advance at the same pace, so the teachers are teaching to the slowest kids and the kids that are more advanced are simply not challenged... so they start acting out and all because at most schools they aren't allowed to HELP the teachers teach.When I was in school the advanced kids helped the slower kids learn, but we also didn't have Special Education students in class with mainstream students. I know I was in both at different times in my schooling. I also know I was 2 steps away from Ritalin Addiction if it weren't for my parents taking action and taking me to Silvan Learning Center, they identified that I wasn't being challenged and simply had too much energy (misplaced energy), when they taught me how to LEARN I did much better. The problem is our public schools don't teach kids how to LEARN, they teach them how to memorize things, not how to learn and apply them. Teaching is an ART and therefore good teachers need to be identified and paid for their abilities... Private schools are able to do this, and if the teacher isn't good at teaching they can get rid of them - but not at a public school...
This is why Susan and I have discussed our childrens' education for a long time, we don't have kids and we have a plan for how they are going to be schooled - when we have them. We haven't decided if we are going to start them off in Public or Private school, that will depend on what school district we are in...
dwiemer wrote: Roger B., the train watching place I believe you are thinking of is in Folkston, GA. It is known as the Folkston Funnel where 60+ trains per day run. I believe most, if not all are CSX. They have a museum and a viewing platform there. The museum etc. can be found at www.folkston.com as for the town, it is pretty small, so if you can find it on a map, I think you would be able to find all the places in the town.
Thanks Dennis, I'll give it a shot. Hopefully its not too far from where the daughter lives, I hate the traffic up there. Hope you had a good vacation with the family.
lionroar88 wrote:Roger, Fife is the local railfanning buff... he doesn't railfan in the buff (thank God).
That is a scary thought, Fifey in the buff, strutting his stuff, sure to cause a derailment.... or cause an Engineer to go blind....
Mitch
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Many fine points, Brent. The best time for one to be mulling this stuff over is before you buy a house or have kids. Location (quality of the school system) was on the top of the stack of priorities when my wife and I picked our current home.
I have personal friends that are in both front line teaching positions and administration. It makes for some interesting discussions at a BBQ. I said in a previous post that we'd all be surprised at how much most of our educators do care about our kids. You said it correctly. Like any business, there are exceptional and dedicated employees and there are those marking time, with no structure in place to differentiate, recognize, and reward educators based on results.
Special education segregation versus mainstreaming those with learning disabilities......a two edged sword as you pointed out. The SPED student will be quick to point out how they are treated like second class citizens by the other students. The upper quartile of kids become bored, unchallenged. and perhapd disruptive if the SPED kids are mainstreamed. So how did our educational process survive all of this without SPED a half century ago? Tutoring. Mentoring. Parental efforts at home. Fewer subjects focused on core critical competencies. Summer school to lighten regular session curriculum. Extracurricular activities involvement based on the achievement of the first priority, the core curriculum. And holding kids back until they have mastered the grade level. It was amazing how hard kids would work at their studies when faced with the Gulag and stigma of summer school.
You noted that our schools don't teach our kids how to learn or how to study. That's right on the money. When I sat down and taught my son the structure of effective writing, he went from "how many words do I have left in this composition" to writing twice as much as required. It made it easy, fun, and interesting for him. And the skill was applicable to everything he had to put to paper thereafter.
Many of the solutions are within our control.
lionroar88 wrote: I've tried to stay out of the education discussion, but feel the need to chime in... I have friends who are educators and they aren't all nut cases. THE problem with Public schools is they have to let ALL kids in, yes I mean ALL kids. They can't be choosey like private schools so the public schools end up with kids with all levels of learning abilities. The problem with No Child Left Behind is the program lumps ALL kids together, so the kids that have learning disabilities are lump together with the 5.0 Advance Placement kids. NCLB also requires that every child advance at the same pace, so the teachers are teaching to the slowest kids and the kids that are more advanced are simply not challenged... so they start acting out and all because at most schools they aren't allowed to HELP the teachers teach.When I was in school the advanced kids helped the slower kids learn, but we also didn't have Special Education students in class with mainstream students. I know I was in both at different times in my schooling. I also know I was 2 steps away from Ritalin Addiction if it weren't for my parents taking action and taking me to Silvan Learning Center, they identified that I wasn't being challenged and simply had too much energy (misplaced energy), when they taught me how to LEARN I did much better. The problem is our public schools don't teach kids how to LEARN, they teach them how to memorize things, not how to learn and apply them. Teaching is an ART and therefore good teachers need to be identified and paid for their abilities... Private schools are able to do this, and if the teacher isn't good at teaching they can get rid of them - but not at a public school...This is why Susan and I have discussed our childrens' education for a long time, we don't have kids and we have a plan for how they are going to be schooled - when we have them. We haven't decided if we are going to start them off in Public or Private school, that will depend on what school district we are in...
Jack....You owe me a new keyboard. I'm still laughing.
Doug...So you noticed Hoosier Hysteria when you were in SB.
ChiefEagles wrote:Working hard at Town Hall = Sitting at desk and eating a bag of microwave popcorn.
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Hey you guys, its Valentine's Day tomorrow. You have been warned.
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Buckeye Riveter wrote: Jack....You owe me a new keyboard. I'm still laughing. Doug...So you noticed Hoosier Hysteria when you were in SB. ChiefEagles wrote:Working hard at Town Hall = Sitting at desk and eating a bag of microwave popcorn. Roseyville = MayberryHey you guys, its Valentine's Day tomorrow. You have been warned.
Welp, you know what they say...
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I am the monster in your head...And I thought you'd learn by now, It seems you haven't yet.I am the venom in your skin --- Breaking Benjamin
Good Evening all
Chief-enjoy your free cruise. while some of us sit here surronded by snow. but don't worry about us we will be fine while you are on your free cruise to the tropics.won't bother us at all.
Good nite chewy,,,,,Sir James
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Brutus wrote:Sir J, Kurt, Doug, Nick, Chief, Laz, Roy, Jack, Don, Dougrump, and all youz other giz and galz, we have a bunch of cookie-cake left so come on over, otherwise I'll end up eating too much! TTFN
Looking forward, I'll try and get there early! Sounds good !!
Don
Morning All,
Jim, glad your Mom is doing better. I am going to be last to get to your place again. Crumbs again LOL.
Ran some trains last night. I'll have to make a start putting in the layout wiring. My better half got me a nice Lionel tin sign for valentines to add to the the gamesroom decor.
Have a good day folks
Nick
Morning to All,
A fresh pot is on. Yesterday was a tough day, my uncle that passed away on Monday was buried. he was such a special person to me. He had a rough 5 years with a heart transplant, then the stroke and shingles. Like most people we get busy with life and had not seen him much in recent years, but as a kid and teenager, I used to hangout at his place a lot. His home was the kind of place where all sorts of people came to hang out. Lots of coffee and conversation. But know I know he is not suffering any more. He told one of my cousins that if he had known all the troubles and difficulties his transplant was going to bring for his family, he would not have done it. we never know what life is going to bring us that's why we should live life to it's fullest and enjoy every day.
Weather here was rotten yesterday so schools were closed due to ice. My yard and driveway are a hard crust of ice. Back to the long grind of interviews today. There is an end in sight, the last of the interviews are scheduled for February 27th.
Take care,
HI GIZ,
23 and cold here everything is frozen so we have a two hr. delay. Yea for me, I'll take it.
Ran trains yesterday in afternoon, all good.
MITCH, sorry for your loss. You;ll always remember him.
HAPPY FRIDAY EVE!!!!
B GOOD OR B GONE!
SNOHIO in Raleigh!!!!!! Did not last. Don't think Roseyville got any. Points west and north west of Raleigh have the ground covered. Schools closed in those areas.
Temps dropped last night as winds blew. Another line of moisture came through. We got rain. Some got snohio. Some have black ice but not us. I'm packed and wife is still stumpling around and not packed. She is about to get "hallered" at. Will take Burg to kennels at 8 AM. He knows we are up to going somewhere as he is lying real quite and looking. Ran trains last night for a while. Got bath tub gons stored in a flat tub. Trains are running grain hoppers and piggy backs/ maxi stacks. Later
Morning!
Hmmm....Woo Hoo! Cookie cake for breakfast! Thanks Brutus!
Thanks for all the input on the education issue. I appreciate it. I thought things were being taught as memorization, but I didn't have any information to back it up.
We are planning to enrole our children in a private christian school, but may need to rely on the public schools if things get bad. I just need to know what and how to teach our kids to prepare them. If teachers mark my kids down for being able to think we'll have words. Jack, good information about teaching the structure of effective writing! I have some reading to do.
Sir James: Saline train show this saturday...Are you going?
Chief: Our CoCo does that too...when the suitcases come out.
Good Morning from Blueberryhill....
It is a cold 4 degrees. Going up to 36 today, with some sunshine. Snow on the ground is about 4 inches.
Today is a stay at home day. I have a few chores to do and then I will relax. Hopefully in the train room. I need to run the trains for awhile. Not much else new here.
Chief....You and the wife have a great cruise.
Yes, it's Valentine's Day. I'm ready.
Dining car has arrived and it's time for breakfast. Later.
Y'all have a great Thursday.
Chuck
lionroar88 wrote:Roger,I thought you were heading to the Baltimore area?I didn't responde to your earlier post because I'm not familiar with all the railfanning locations around here, Fife is the local railfanning buff... he doesn't railfan in the buff (thank God).
I am heading to the Baltimore area, I didn't realize Dennis was talking about GA until I went to the web site later in the evening.
Roger Bielen wrote: lionroar88 wrote:Roger,I thought you were heading to the Baltimore area?I didn't responde to your earlier post because I'm not familiar with all the railfanning locations around here, Fife is the local railfanning buff... he doesn't railfan in the buff (thank God).I am heading to the Baltimore area, I didn't realize Dennis was talking about GA until I went to the web site later in the evening.
GOOD MORNING
Sunny and 15 degrees,32 expected before snow again tonite.
Brutus I'll be by for cookies,is the key still in the mailbox? good thoughts to your mother.
Kurt Saline is in our plans, But not sure about the time.I am going to TRY to send a PM check your mail.
I received the two metal marx cars yesterday,I really like the sellers that understand the buyer is waiting for his/her item.Just bought the caboose last nite, now that llittle set will be complete. they look nice on display. Brings back memories for an old guy like me.....S.J.
Morning all
Cold and beautiful in Southern Ohio. The hills are covered and everything looks like a postcard.
Interesting exchange about current education.
Thanks for the laugh, the mental image of Chief in a thong. Oh my
Mich-continued prayers
Got to go; realized late last night I've got another 100 pages of material to study for class Saturday
May God bless
Jim
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