Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Hot and dry here this a.m., gas is holding at $2.99 (actually 3.00 if you round it up). Football is underway with a disastrous result in Buffalo - hate injuries like that.
Lots to cover, so here goes (in no particular order).
Lars sent RDC pictures and history along with PRR and MP steam pictures. Our Giants went, but not quite enough.
Jan sent lots of material. The Milwaukee steam shots were good ones. The Wabash shot at Union Station has a lot of details to look at. If you check out the consist you'll see that there is a mix of HW and LW cars - typical for that time period as railroads ran what was available. The NYC 4-8-2s I remember well as they were some of the last NYC steam running in and out of Boston. The DL&W engine ( I think) was photographed at Scranton. Others commented on the PRR and MP power, so we won't plow the road again.
There were some other interesting pictures in some of your posts as well. The D&H shot is a good one - look and you'll see a NYC observation car. NYC ran through cars between New York and Montreal via the D&H - IIRC, we went over this on the old page. The ACL 4-8-4 was one of the best-looking examples of its type IMHO. Dynamic augment was an issue with these engines as it was with the New Haven's I5s. These forces really raised all sorts of problems with rails. It was eventually corrected, but the ACL engines never really got a chance to show what they could do in the service for which they were intended.
Also enjoyed your LV and DL&W shots.
There must be a gazillion versions of the "Wabash Cannonball" out there. I was fortunate to see Roy Acuff perform the song when the Grand Ol' Opry was still at the Ryman. Just read through your post this a.m. Good tunes, all. Let's not forget two more; "Fireball Mail," and "Ridin' the Bluegrass Express." The NP pictures were magnificent. Have you seen the story that ran in Trains yrs ago about an engineer on the SP? It was reprinted in Faces of Railroading .
DD1 - "Working Partners" is one of my all-time favorite pieces of PRR calendar art, probably because of the artist's depiction of the houses right beside the track. The PRR ran right down the middle of residential streets in Bucyrus, OH - I bet the neighborhood homemakers loved that on washday. PRR vehicles were interesting to see as well - I think they also used them in Philadelphia as well as Jersey City. Appreciated your musings on tools; my grandfather worked as a patternmaker for Starrett and then for Brown and Sharpe, so it's "in the blood" with me. My mom recalled riding the train from Athol to Providence when he changed companies - this was before the Depression. Incidentally, see if you can find a copy of Kenneth L. Cope's book, Makers of American Machine Tools, if you don't have it in your collection. It's a good ‘un.
Condolences of your loss - it is tough. We did the same with ours (in the section of the yard that he defended).
Eric - Congratulations on being back on the "active" list. I want to know how they fit the Short in the building.
Mike sent all kinds of interesting CV material. The story about the shipment gives a good summary of "package freight" service as it used to be b4 Interstates and trucks. The New York pictures where fascinating. The shot with the "Fletcher's Castoria" sign was especially good. Those buildings beg to be modeled. DPM kits would be a good place to start. Then we had CV boats, pictures of SSN 571 at Electric Boat (and underway), and then the ‘Wyoming," basket masts and all. Boris, fetch me my copy of Dictionary of Fighting Ships, please.
OSP - The "6 pack" of posters was a good selection of graphic art styles from the late 30s. The New Haven used the I5 on a lot of their material as they wanted the "streamline" look to be emphasized. The CP item for the "Century of Progress" was a good one. "Empire State" was immediate prewar as the streamlined version had its maiden voyage on 12/07/1941. I see where "Flyboys" will be at the Theatuh. Looking forward to that. Also, I have not seen the "Desert Fox" in years.
Work safe
Hi Tom and all in
First of all, thanks for your response to my message and your generous comments - keeping on the right side of Da Boss is no harm, so thanks for the drink! Yep, I think it is fair to say that in the UK the museums are pretty thick on the ground, and we are fortunate to have some great museums of industry, railroading, cars and automobiles to complement the more conventional art galleries, historic houses and the like.
I'm assuming Pete has been working up a plan to kidnap you, your passport and your chosen travelling companion and get you over here some time - if not I expect he's working on it!
So having said all that, I'll take you up on the beer offer and have a Keith's!
Interesting comments from Eric and Ron regarding European High Speed, but first of all I was able to get an accurate write up of the London - Paris high speed run - apparently some subsidence just before the run in northern France (caused by subsidence where the line runs over former First World War trenches of all things!) resulted in a speed restriction down to about 80 mph near Calais (must have been frustrating going THAT slow eh...) meant that the time was lost so they could not get the time in under 2 hours, which was the aim. I reckon they will break the 2 hour time some time they need a bit more publicity in the future!
On the subject, I also read the article in Trains Don Phillips wrote - and agree with his analysis. In France, Paris - Lyon was the first TGV (no doubt inspired by Japan's Bullet Train) and this must have been planned from the mid 1970s. At that time there would have been domestic air but that would have been from state owned Air France competing with State Owned SNCF railways - the government probably worked out what was most efficient - rail - as they would both have been subsidised, and went with the TGV idea. I think the success surprised them and it was on the back of that other lines were planned and countries like Germany, Spain and Italy planned their own lines. Britain was left out of this because the Thatcher Government's ‘Reagonomic' ideology of the time was deeply hostile to rail specifically (because at that time they could not think of a way to privatise it), and projects requiring subsidy in general. This was not so in France where a different attitude to infrastructure investment prevails.
Back in those days there was no question of cheap airlines as the European airline market was pretty highly regulated, and given the population densities (as I think Tom pointed out) it would have been seen as a choice between automobiles and trains - with aviation only seen as for the high end business sector.
I have no doubt that high speed rail could work in the US on certain inter city routes - despite the cost issues (Government has a way of solving ‘cost issues' when it wants to do something doesn't it!) - I just believe it is down to political will - and a sense that a project is worth doing. Problems like grade crossings, subsidy levels etc are all ‘small beer' when you decide to actually do something and have the will to do it. BUT - you do need the correct mix of population centres, density and distance from centre to centre - but those conditions must exist somewhere in the North American continent! However, you also have to accept it won't pay its way (just like no other form of transport does). But that is back to politicians ceasing to ‘pretend' the other modes make profit. Beyond that you have to accept that high speed passenger and freight do not mix - and you have to make a clear choice on that. You also have to convince people that the service will be good - but if you build it and operate it reliably - as happens with these new lines in Europe - people will use it - and it is hard to believe that would not happen in the US too - oh and you have to make it convenient too - no silly check in times, waiting times, probably not even checked baggage service - you need to know you can just turn up, buy a ticket and get on - just like you can walk up to your car, turn the ignition key and go, (and take your chances for a space on the highway!).
The new line in the UK is of course piffling compared to the mainland Europe network - a mere 60 or so miles of line here from London to the tunnel - but it will show the potential. There are groups lobbying for an extension of a high speed line to Scotland - and the sooner that happens the better - but the politicians are scared of the cost commitment. Sadly UK infrastructure expenditure is a dirty word to the Treasury - who never seem to see expenditure as investment - so I don't hold too much hope. The line from London (which should have been built 15 years ago) probably only happened because the UK became a laughing stock the moment the trains left northern France at 186 mph and exited the tunnel to be restricted to 60 - 70 mph. I guess this eventually shamed the politicians into (reluctant) action.
ANYWAY - that's ‘my 2 cents' and apologies because I've rambled on a bit when what I wanted to do was also to follow up Eric's point about the Leyland vehicle - now I've found a link to a pic at Connecticut, probably in 2001:
So - it looks as Eric says (unless CM3 has any more up to date info but it looks like it moved away from West Virginia):
http://www.nashuacitystation.com/bostonmaine.php?content=railbus
Also Eric - thanks for the Sunderland picture - I can imagine my uncle up there at the controls in the cockpit!!
So - now I should feedback on the Toronto Union Station Tour - this really was a real highlight - on the Last Saturday of the month these tours are run by the Toronto Railway Historical Association
http://www.trha.ca/discoverywalks.html
And this tours was superb - the guy who did it really knew his stuff and took us on a detailed 2 hour tour covering the history of the building, a sense of its importance in the development of the city, some of the important people who had visited it over the years.
Up on to the platforms to see Go Train departures and VIA train departures and to talk about the design of the shed, down into underground areas beneath the station (including seeing some of the original 1920s battery operated luggage carts still stabled at their charging points and the vintage charging equipment room still down there!).
From there we went up into mostly disused office areas within the station building (which were being used to film something so we were unable to see as much as is normally the case sadly), and then around the great hall on the overhead walkways that are inside the arched windows at the end of the hall - and on gantries at the higher level opposite the ticket offices. Some of the building behind the scenes is pretty derelict, sadly with examples of roof plaster collapsing and what must be areas of really useful real estate simply standing there un-used!
This tour was great - and if you are planning a trip from Toronto it would be very well worth attempting to factor in the time to go on one of these tours around any Toronto visit.
Regards
DL
PS - CM3 - just caught your post as I posted this - any thoughts on the Leyland Railbus and the Virgina Central Railroad line ?
G'day Gents!
Off to a good start on this Monday with Jan in Scotland providing some music 'n CM3 Shane in WVA coming through with insights galore! [tup ] Then along came Dan (DL-UK) with another typical "sterling" Post! Elaborations tomorrow . . .
Time for another Blast from the Past - are ya ready
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #56
<A form of this was initially Posted on Page 218 of the Original Thread>
Here's something to enjoy regarding the Canadian Pacific (CP) from a 1965 advertisement in my personal collection.
We'll give your holiday a foreign flavor (just north of the border!)
Rail away with us through the Canadian Rockies aboard "The Canadian."
You'll enjoy spectacular scenery, continental service in the comfort of a Scenic Dome streamliner as you travel the Banff-Lake Louise route between Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver.
It's a holiday all the way - gourmet dining, tasty budget meals, snacks, all accommodations reserved.
Canadian Pacific Trains/Trucks/Ships/Planes/Hotels/Telecommunications WORLD'S MOST COMPLETE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Enjoy! Tom
Hello all
I'll have another beer please - one of the Batham's that Pete has often ordered - someone better drink it in his absence!
Forgot to mention when we were discussing aircraft that on Saturday afternoon I was sitting in my living room doing pretty much nothing of note when I heard the sound of a piston engine aircraft flying rather low - I did not think too much of it until I heard it again but could see nothing from the window - heard it a third time and decided to go out into the street to have a decent look - it turned out to be the sound of the RAF Memorial Flight Avro Lancaster doing circuits of our City Centre to mark a commemoration.
The memorial flight is retained by the RAF as a sort of ‘flying tribute' - they fly keep 1 Lancaster, 2 Hawker Hurricane and I think 5 Supermarine Spitfires in flying condition.
This of course is the only other airworthy Lancaster besides the one in the Hamilton Warplane Museum Canada - so I'd seen both airworthy Lancasters in the space of about 3 weeks!
I must say it was a superb sight to see this aircraft flying low, and even better to hear the sound of those Rolls Royce engines. There's just nothing like that sound so it was no wonder the first hearing of it caught my attention.
Some more information is here:
http://www.bbmf.co.uk/bomber.html
Just wish I'd known about it earlier and I could have positioned myself somewhere better for a full view (eg the roof of my house - since they went more or less right over head!)
I guess the number of veterans who heard those engines back in the day is dwindling these days. Apparently demand for appearances from the memorial flight is higher than ever in recent years. Does the USAF sponsor the retention of similar old aircraft in flight worthy conditions for similar purposes?
Good day Tom and all present. Drinks for the house. I'll have a hot pastrami on rye with Coleman's mustard and a dill on the side. Today's calendar:
Jan: Some mighty nice pictures and history of 4-8-4's. They must have been awesome to watch in person. I haven't been around trains lately, especially passenger, but the shot of the Amtrak electric at Union Station is the first I've seen. They have that European look that I like. Maybe if it was painted a single color instead of the Amtrak colors, it would look better. I also liked the pictures of engineer Malloy. When I was a kid, I wanted to be a locomotive engineer, so I ended up as a marine engineer in ship design.
Tom: I realize it's football season again, but I don't follow it much anymore. I used to be a big fan of the SF 49er's when Joe Montana, Jerry Rice and Ronnie Lott were in the line-up. They were role models a kid could look up to. The game just doesn't hold the same interest as it did 25 years ago. Steve Young and Steve Bono kept the team alive for a while, but now it's just a shadow of it's once greatness. The same goes for the N.Y. Giants. Anyway, I don't want to spend time watching sports when I can be playing at trains. Time is getting short.
CM3: Yeah, your right about those houses backed up to the ROW. I'll bet the place would shake every time a train went by. I think Teller may have taken some "artistic license". Gas down here is $2.73 and that's for name brand gas (Texaco). BP is always the most expensive around these parts. My Silverado runs good on any brand of gas, so I buy the cheapest. The rubber tired loco, was taken in Philadelphia. I suspect the yard switchers from Alco, Baldwin and FM, eventually displaced the RTL's. Thanks for the machinery title. I'll see if I can find it. I used to collect old PM, PS, MI and S&M magazines. I had them back from the early 20's. I would pick them up at used book stores in N.Y.C. It was interesting to me to see the inventions (some good, some goofy) like the crutch for a 3 legged dog. I should have recognized the picture of the USS Nautilus since I worked on the refueling of the reactor in Portsmouth, N.H. in 1962. One of my jobs was to design a rail car to transport a very radioactive coolant pump to a site way out west. It was a nightmare for the railroads as they had to plan the route away from populated areas. Since I brought it up, maybe there is something on the web about that car. I'll have to check.
DL: That tour of the Toronto station sounds like a great idea. I wonder if such tours exist in the U.S. for Grand Central, Union Station's, etc. Railroad stations were regarded as prime architecture. Little cost was spared in designing stations, as they were considered a representation of a great and mighty railroad. The same regard was given to banks and government edifices.
I think one has to take into consideration who the principal rider-ship of a high speed train would be. Would it be the business traveler or vacationer. I don't see commuters traveling more than 100 miles from home on a regular basis. It must also be able to compete with air travel, not on price, but on time. Today's travel by air has been seriously affected by security concerns which can add 4 hours or more to a round trip. Trains could compete time wise between larger metropolitan areas, but security could again become a factor. Trains and especially trackwork is easily sabotaged and security could easily be compromised by terrorists.
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!
Ruth my deAH it's time for a tall, cold one - make it a Piels if you will ‘n slide the snack tray down my way wudja please My, my you are lookin' mighty fine to these old eys. <blush>
Boris, the crittAHs are lined up - it's feeding time once agan! Once done, that small jar of PPF is yours!
NFL report: NOT a good start for my "home" teams - Giants had no defense and the Jets got stomped. Well, 15 more to go! Mets have a comfortable lead though!
Appears we had one of those extra special Sundays ‘round the Watering Hole by the Wayside. Even though we were CLOSED yesterday, there's all kinds of great stuff just waitin' to be absorbed by the crew. Hope they do! Nice work, gents!
Sorry there's no specifics today. Gotta get going on finishing the RR Book Relay ‘n get it mailed! So, IF I've failed to address a specific question or comment, PLEASE drop it my way one more time!
Good to see so many "in" today - Jan - CM3 I'm NOT Shane! - Dan - Ron - all most welcome ‘n appreciated!
Some steam locos for this Monday . . .
IC 2-8-4 #8049 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com) Photo: Paul Eilenburger
B&O 4-4-4 Lady Baltimore Loco #1 (from: www.yestyeardepot.com)
PRR K4 4-6-2 (1948) (from: yesteryeardepot.com)(photo: Fred C. Stoes)
CN #1560 4-6-0 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com)
CN #6149 4-8-2 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com)
Ruth my deAH, we bettAH get a move on - time to catch up on that <ahem> admin stuff that's pile up since Friday! WondAH what in the world Eric was inferring <again> Hmmmmm.
Boris, ring the ding ‘n drinks all around . . .
Until the next time!
Lars
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, still awake? Yeah, I'll have an early breakfast. French toast, syrup and powder sugar, a large OJ and coffee! Thank you!
Monday, Monday. It says it all. For another 101 days.
Tom – Thanks for the Sunderland link! Interesting info!Cards lost another one in Chicago tonight. Right now the Buzzards are losing (?) their game against the 49:ers. Yeah, they lost when it was 22 seconds remaining! Why am I not surprised?Nice ad for the only remaining (?) classic train today, the Canadian!JanOlov – I guess you also recognized the laughter from the Penthouse Suite? Not much to look into, all facts are obvious! Today you found songs that I don’t think I’ve ever heard! Interesting pictures of engineer Malloy and fireman Shephard! CM3 – Thanks, it is nice to be back to more normal days even if it was nice to have so many weeks off. Kind of a retirement rehearsal.I don’t remember if they built the building around the Sunderland or not. I took that picture 1979. Dan – No apoligies necessary, I read your comments and found them very interesting and I must say I agree with everything you said! The Sunderland is an impressive airplane. Fascinating. I can imagine the sound of those four engines of the Lancaster was nice to listen to! I am afraid I don’t have the answer to your question if USAF is sponsoring the retention of any old aircraft. Ron – The Amtrak electric, AEM-7, is basically the same locomotive (based on) as the Swedish Class Rc4. Amtrak tested a Swedish Rc4 back in 1976 and liked it. The result was/is AEM-7. The picture below shows Rc1 #1018. Rc1 looks almost exactly the same as Rc4 on the outside. I couldn't find any picture of a Rc4 right now.Lars – Interesting locomotives! I think that picture number two from the top actually is showing B&O 4-4-4 Lady Baltimore, not Abraham Lincoln.
B&O had 20 Class P-7, 4-6-2, that were named after the 21 first presidents of the US. One of those locos represented both John Adams and John Quincy Adams.
Eric
Greetings Tom and all....
Could I please have an extra cold Gunniess for myself and a large top up for the boys? Well, the kitchen is spotless and ready for all your needs and wishes... Not much else to do when our place is closed on Sundays... All the cutlery and pots etc are as I said spotless and shiny. Almost a shame to use them again....
Tom, nice CP adverts for Canadian. Was CN "Super Continental" as popular as CP streamliner?
DL - UK, If you ask me DL, ANY piston engine from WWI and WWII is pure music to my ears....just like the sound of steamlocomotive.
DD1, another nice PRR calendar picture. One of my best friends was a sailor for quite a few years. Now he's suffering from Malaria. Imagine his surprise when the doctor told him that.
Da Larsman, aaaww.... isn't that a shame? Did your teams not do well tsk tsk.... Great shots of sweet looking steamers. You're a hard man to keep up with. I'm looking forward to your next set. Hmmm...suddenly have the feeling that I've forgot something important... Aaah, right! GO VIKINGS!!!!
EricX2000, you know what mate? I think that we should stock up here to wait and see who shows up later from the penthouse and maybe get some damaging pictures.... I'll see what more songs that I can find with a train connection...
SP 4412 on test run of new Daylight.
Southern Pacific GS2 4-8-4, #4412, is seen on testrun of the new "Daylight Limited" near Aromas,California. The train is running as second sectionof 2-70, 1937.The 1937 conversation over at the enginehouse atWatsonville Junction went something like this betweenFred Stoes and the mechanic. "Yep, Fred! I'd be outtheir along the main somewhere today with your cameracome train time for the #70. The brass are running asecond section of the "Coaster." It is the first testrun of the complete new 'Daylight Limited' and, of course,they don't want anyone to know!"In short order Fred found himself set up along the highcurve at Aromas, California. It was cold from the highfog that hung over the Pajaro Valley. The wind wasslightly blowing, moving the clouds around. And then heheard it. Off in the distance the mornful cry of the airhorn on GS #4412 broke the silence of the quiet surroundingcountryside. In almost no time at all, as if out of Camelot,there it was in its sleek warm colored body pounding themainline rails at speed, 79mph. The shutter clicked. Thisstunning image was the result.
Photograph by Fred C. Stoes
SP 4412/Daylight, SLO-Horseshoe CurveJuly 4th, 1937: The curve near Cuesta has just beenreballasted. As the new Daylight tried to round theupgrade curve the locomotive drivers could not gaintraction. Finally a 2-10-2 was called out from San LuisObispo to add a little tractive effort. The entiretime photographer Stoes just waited. The final picture.
Photograph by: Fred C. Stoes
1st trial Daylight at Salinas, 1937Arriving as the second section of westbound #69, thefirst public Daylight Limited arrives in Salinas.Note the children running alongside as the big enginecomes to a halt.
1st Daylight at Salinas, 1937 #2
The first public Daylight Limited has arrived inSalinas, California. Officials, politicos, Rodeorepresentatives, and the general public are on handfor the event.
SP 4415 on new Daylight Limited, 1937Southern Pacific #4415 on the Los Angeles bound Daylightis bringing on the charge as it picks up speed aftercoming out of the curving Pajaro Gap and into the "Valley of the Birds."
Photograph by: Fred C: Stoes
SP 4415 on new Daylight Limited, 1937This original 1937 view depicts a brand new, high speed,eastbound, Southern Pacific "Daylight Limited" pickin' emup and layin' em down on the two track main near Logan,Califonia.
Southern Pacific 4-8-4 #4420 train #72Photographing a Daylight locomotive coming at you at79mph means you have to determine the depth of field.In this shot #4420 is in focus at speed. Everythingelse is a blur! Under test, 1937.
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Today is the 62nd B'day for a guy who has been long gone from this Saloon by the Siding. Normally I haven't acknowledged those in the Legion of the Lost - however - Per (marthastrainyard) has contacted me with assurances that he will be returning. So with that in mind - to our Resident Texas Swede! Hope to "see" you at the bar real soon!
Time again to fill up the coffee mugs, grab a few pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast! Next to having it all served up in the Penthouse Suite, what better way to begin the day
Comments from the Proprietor:
Well, we KNOW what today is, don't we Some positive thoughts for such a negative event - if we can!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)
Jan (JanOlov) at 8:29 AM Monday - Sep 10th: A visit replete with MORE RR lyrics ‘n supporting fotos!
Seems you are more American than Swede! <grin> You surely have a "thing" for U.S. railroading - all aspects at that. Nicely done!
Again - "top up," bucks for the cigar box ‘n Herr Wulitzer's Coal Scuttle much appreciated!
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 9:13 AM Monday - Sep 10th: My NEW hardcover "The Killing of History" arrived yesterday! Now to read it . . . easier said than done. I've gotten way behind in my reading, but WILL most assuredly do that very thing. I found it on the web, even though long out of print. A couple of extra bucks, but . . .
Spent far too much time in front of the "tube" Sunday ‘n it all began at noon with the "Lambs" of St. Louis hosting a better team from Carolina.
Not a pleasant situation up in Buffalo . . .
Then came the Dead Birds who were out in the desert determined to snatch another loss from the jaws of victory. Ugggggggggggh. Was far too weary to watch the Jints at night - although I did peek in from time to time to pick up on the offensive show that it turned out to be. Dropped another to the Cubs yesterday - actually got STOMPED, big time! <ugh>
On the more serious side, seems that the Cards are really hurting with Chris Duncan the latest to fall with his "sports hernia" problem. That explains why he's been rather pathetic at bat for several weeks. King Albert is a mere shadow of past seasons (and still batting over .300!!), but the rest of the MV3 haven't done diddley squat - Rolen out for another surgery ‘n California Surfer Dude Jimmy being more off than on. Can't forget the season ending injury to Juan Encarnacion. Throw in the pitiful starting pitching more times than not, and it's easy to see why the team is simply wallowing. I think the credit for successes they've had surely has to go to the guys from the bench and those minor leaguers who have excelled when called up. Oh well . . . wait ‘til next year. <grin>
So when does the NHL begin for real
Watched a couple of WWI DVDs this week - All Is Quiet on the Western Front (modern version) - and - The Lost Battalion. Hadn't seen either before 'n will add them to the "list" for showing. Glad you approve of the Emporiums weekly bill o'fare!
As always, a fine Monday entry with all sorts of insights! Quarters ‘n round didn't "hurt" either!
Dan (DL-UK) at 10:17 AM ‘n 11:58 AM Monday - Sep 10th: Yeah, I've suspected that Wolfman Pete is "up" to something, especially when I picked up on the contents of that bag he's always carrying. A roll of duct tape - hood with NO eye holes - wrist cuffs of plastic - knock out drops - ‘n airline tickets made out in my name for the UK. Hmmmmmmm. <grin>
In all the times I've frequented Toronto's Union Station, I've never taken advantage of any of the more organized tours. The one you provided seems like something to do, fer sure, fer sure. That's a storied place with a storied past ‘n it truly is a wonder that it is still standing intact. So much of it being unused with relatively few passenger trains in comparison with the capacity of years gone by. I'd guess the destroyers, developers ‘n real estate people would love to get hold of that land. A far smaller facility could easily handle the trains arriving ‘n departing the area . . . <sad>
I don't know this for certain, but after "911," the available funding for the mid-west hi-speed rail initiative seemed to dry up. Our treasury, contrary to world opinion, is not comprised of an infinite amount of gold bri
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house, and $ for the jukebox. We have had a little rain (first time in approx 6 weeks) overnight, but it's not even put a dent in anything.
DL - Thanks for the summary of the high speed "record run." The information you have on the LEV is the most current out there. Nobody studies history, but the New Haven had Mack Railbuses which got into all sorts of trouble because they did not activate signals - suddenly, we have a "train" out there but we don't know where it is.
Let's see, you want to know about aircraft preservation. Many private groups are involved with this sort of thing. One of the best known is the Commemorative air Force (the used to be the Confederate Air Force, but PC will be PC). Their website follows. Incidentally, listen to the audioclip of the P38; it'll curl your hair.
http://www.realtime.net/centex/
The US Air Force Museum is at Wright-Patterson in Dayton, OH - appropriate, I think. Their website is insane - you can spend a month or so looking at all of the material.
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/ Have fun, and don't say I didn't warn you.
DD1 sent another PRR picture. Steel King is a good one. IMHO, Teller did not take all that much license with the houses in the picture you posted yesterday.
Lars forwarded comments and some good steam pictures - Enquiring minds want to know; after Eli? Gonna be a long season.
Eric - I watched the Ravens and the Bengals last night - the late game started WAY LATE for me as we are up and at ‘em around 5 a.m. Anyway, neither the Bengals nor the Ravens seemed to want the victory. I still don't understand why the Ravens chose to throw on short yardage close to the goal line late in the game. My son almost threw the TV out the window.
Jan - Careful now. The Vikings have been known to be a first half of the season team - oh well, that's why they play.
My compliments on a nice selection of SP pictures. The picture with the kids at Salinas was great - try and do that today (unhand me Awk, that's all I'm going to say). The shot at Cuesta with the helper was a good one. BTW, engineering folks in the group; take a look at the track in those pictures - don't see it like that hardly anywhere now.
OSP - Hockey? October 3. Thanks for the CP material. It looks as if they are going to be getting into the coal business in a big way.
I will try and be online tomorrow, but it doesn't look too promising.
Good to see our WVA Connection - CM3 Shane - on board this AM - however, sorry to learn he may not be with us tomorrow! Priorities, priorities . . . <grin>
Now Arriving on Track #1
Six Pack Special Number Two
RR advertisements from the Classic Era
Atlantic Coast Line
Santa Fe
Union Pacific
Illinois Central
Railway Express
German Railways
Enjoy!
Tom
Good evening Tom and fellow bar visitors...
May I please have an extra cold Guinness, top up and cigars please for the boys?
And few $$$ as well for cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer.
Tom, got to love those ads! That is some nice artwork. I really look forward to see more of them....
coalminer3, well, I think that this might be their season....I hope. Tell me though, I'm right thinking that they've never won the SUPER BOWL?
Oh! I just wanted to show you this picture from Yesteryeardepot....what a show, eh!?
TEHACHAPI 3-SP cab-forwardsThis has got to be one of the most definitive shots ever taken ofTehachapi Loop. In it photographer Ted Hopping managed to capturethree Southern Pacific cab-forwards in a single train going up-grade. Further, this view was far enough back so that he gotalmost all of the loop in focus. Finally, Mother-nature addeda cold, overcast, rainy day and the stage was set for steampower on Tehachapi at its finest!
Photographer: Ted Hopping
Good day Tom and all in attendance. Drinks all around and Guinness for me. It's still hot down here. I have to change clothes 3 to 4 times a day and shower twice at least.
Today's calendar: My favorite is coming soon.
Tom: I wonder if you got to see "Into Alaska with Jeff Corwin" on the travel channel, last night. It showed some nice scenics of Alaska taken from the Alaska RR with vista domes in tow.
Lars: That shot of the "Abraham Lincoln 4-4-4" is unusual. I have never seen an American steamer with the type of smokebox fastening system usually seen on British locomotives. Is it possible that engine was built in the UK and sent to the B & O for a special occasion?
Eric: I figured that AEM-7 had some link to Europe (Scandinavia to be more precise). I wouldn't have any opportunity to see one down here. (no electrification). I'm glad to see Amtrak is doing something right for a change.
Jan: Have another Guinness on me
CM3: I went to the link for the Commemorative Air Force. The sound of the P-38 was truly awesome. Thanks to guys like you to expand our horizons to stuff we would not think of checking out. Pretty soon I'm going to have to get a bigger computer to hold all my favorite links.
A somber toast to all of the innocents who perished in the September 11, 2001 attack on our nation! May their sacrifices never, ever be forgotten.
Ruth my deAH ‘tis the Larsman running rather late today. BUT, maybe a good thing in that we've been hurting in this time slot since our Bar Chandler has been away.
Ahhhh, let's see - how about a Schaefer in a frosty mug, treats for the crittAHs (feed ‘em Boris), small jar of PPF for the "man," ‘n a round on me! Of course the change is YOURS you sweet thing! <blush>
Being somewhat pressed once again, let me just make a couple of mentions:
A to Per - wherever you are! If Da Bossman sez you'll be back, I believe it! Hope it isn't too far off. Have one on me!
For Eric: Got that caption directly from this site for the B&O in question.
http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/baltohi.htm
If you've found something contrary, pass it on, mate!
Your Reptiles look as if they'll be in the playoffs. Wonder if they'll square off against my Mets Wanna make a wager on the outcome if they do Just something ‘friendly,' like drinks or something . . . No, no, no - can't use the Penthouse Suite! <uh oh>
For CM3 I'm NOT Shane! No Eli, no season the way I see it. Bring back Warner! <grin>
For Jan: You'd bettAH be quick on your feet, mate! No place to run or hide in that stairwell! <grrrrrrrrr>
A bunch of SP pix ‘n narrartives. Don't know how that website restricts use of their written stuff - but because I've been "nailed" using stuff improperly, you may want to ensure that you're on "solid ground." Most times the "credit" needs to go directly with the photos and/or narrative. Also, check to ensure that there are no copyright or other use restrictions. Again, I've "caused" pain ‘n suffering for Da Boss because I failed to do these things. Kalmbach "nailed" us both . . . but it was my doing.
For Da Boss: RR Book Relay has been read ‘n commented on ‘n will be in the mail tomorrow! Email sent . . . Quite a compilation ‘n I think the guys will find it a good read. Thanks for making me first!
Loved the six-pack #2 - keep ‘em coming!
I think your Cardinals have played themselves out of the race. Of course, they have some head-to-head games, which could put ‘em right back in it. Honestly don't see ‘em going far though because they have been decimated by injuries from the get-go of the season. Too many out to keep it going. As our old Brooklyn Dodger fans used to say - over ‘n over - Wait ‘til Next Year! Of course THAT was in response to dropping the World Series to the Yankees, over ‘n over. Big exception - 1955 -a great year, eh
Now for my next round of steamers!
CN #6031 4-8-2 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com)
CN #5045 4-6-2 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com)
CN #6307 4-8-4 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com)
CN #6071 4-8-2 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com)
N&W #1218 2-6-6-4 Class A (credit unidentified)
If I've missed anyone - I'll try to catch up next time around!!
Of course I'll drive you home, Ruth - I'm ready when you are! <grin> <blush> <uh oh>
Good Evening everybody present!
Leon, please a round for everybody and a GlenDronach for me. No, no ice, I help myself to a little bit of water over here.
I really should skip the strong stuff while I’m on my medication, but as long as I don’t chase the pills down with clear alcohol, it may be OJ (according to the Doc – and he ought to know).
I must be getting older than I care to admit. I had a bad fall two months ago, and it has resulted in a shoulder that doesn’t work as well as it should. Physical therapy three times a week helps a little bit, but I guess I need to get used to using a long handle brush to soap my back. Well, things could be worse, so I am humming along in here.
There is another reason for humming along: I just got my fiber optic broadband installed in my apartment today. All I can say is: “Oh Whoa”! Now I can post from home which is good since there isn’t any time left for that kind of thing at owkr anymore.
I started to look back at what has been posted, but it is so much and so many interesting topics, that I am just going to sit back and read. When I come up for air, I will post some acknowledgements and slowly get back into things here at the bar.
I like to thank Tom for checking in on me. It was a really nice gesture and I appreciate it very much! Thanks, Tom! You posted some really nice ads from way back when. I also thank Tom and Lars for the birthday greeting. It has become a somewhat strange day for a birthday, and people get a really confused look on their faces when I tell them I went to California to celebrate 9/11.
Lars, I liked the CZ pictures. Really nice! Now, if I just could get on one of those cars it would be even better!
Jan Olov had a really interesting post about the SP Daylight trains. Thanks for that! I enjoy the GS engines in their streamlined covers, a really classy engine. Thank you for the lyrics to “The City of New Orleans” now that song is stuck in my head!
Eric published some photos of the Rc class engines in Sweden. Those Rc1 are becoming quite rare aren’t they? (Are there any of them left?) Where is that roundhouse you pictured in 1975?
That’s about it for tonight. No pictures to share, but I will try to go chasing the UP train up in Oklahoma this weekend so maybe I will have some next week.
Y’all take care and I will see you again soon!
Hi Tom and all,
In rememberance of all those lost in 9/11, "We will remember them"!
Leon a round of Tui for all the crew please.
Tom. Just a short visit this time, time is tight at the moment, so thanks for all the great posts over the past days`.
Ron. Sorry to hear of your loss, they are so much an integral part of the family!
Eric, Dan, Ron, CM3. They have a great transport museum in Auckland called MOTAT, it covers all the main forms of transport, they have a Sort Sunderland, a Solent and a Lancaster there together with a working tram line. They have a site but it has been upgraded and does not have a photo gallery now,
http://www.motat.org.nz/
You can have a look anyway.
Lars and Jan. Great steam photos`, loved them all.
To all. Really enjoyed all the info and pics on all the posts`. There is a NZ railway station about 20 miles south of where we live, it has been fully restored to its former glory and is now used as a home stay, it even has a resident "Ghost" as a part of the stay over! If you Google "Ormondville railway station New Zealand" you should get to it OK, the site wo`nt open on Geocites from here, I keep striking this problem with some site addresses here in NZ not opening for some reason! The MOTAT address works OK!
Their are some photos` on the site of the Bay Express that used to run through here
Per. Good to see you mate, "HAPPY BIRTHDADAY TO YOU"
See ya, Allan
G-day Tom and all present!!
Leon- Good to see you tonight. The Duluth area already has frost warnings out... Any frost here yet Anyway, I think I will take a 5 dollar coffee... Nothing more tonight. Thanks.
Tom- Looking good on your passenger nostalgia. The Canadian Pacific Passenger trains were some of the nicest looking trains avaliable in Canada. I really like that Dome observation. Even on Via rail, it still looks nice. Do they still run those cars on the Via trains
Well, your railway advertisements are very nice looking. If only you could go ahead and ride those trains again. except one problem....... I don't think I could ride the trains from Germany.. I could if I lived there.<grin>
DD1- Some good looking pics. That last painting with the Steel King in it was a good pic. I am impressed with the pics you show. I like to see all of these paintings. I love to paint and I hope to make another painting soon... I just don't know of what I should paint on it... Any suggestions from the audience?? Anyway, keep the pics coming, they inspire me to paint. Thanks for sharing.
Lars- I see you have posted a few steam pics. Some nice ones at that. The most impressive steamer you showed was the CN #6149. That is one nice looking locomotive. I suppose it was used for passenger service but I don't see any destinctive mark that gives that away.. Plus I don't know to much about CN steam locomotives, but a nice pic.
Eric- Another electric locomotive. I remember the last time I tried to understand them (zap) But they are some of the neatest locos around. I do enjoy seeing pics of electric locos. I think I will be posting a few pics of the Milwaukee electrics after this. Thanks for the cool pic.
Jan- Thanks for the neat pics of the Daylight. I am not very familiar with that train which is why I wish Dave was back. He could explain things about the SP and the daylight that no man knew... That is cool. But a great narrative. They were certainly the most impressive passenger train here in the United States. That red color compliments the orange very well. I might not be into the Southern Pacific, but I must admit that it was the probably the most impressive Passenger train out there. Thanks for sharing.
A SPECIAL MOMENT HAS COME!!! Per is back and has reached Mile post 62!!! Welcome back my friend. Hope to see some great posts from you sir.
Now for some pics.
I will have some more narrative for tomorrow from page 108.
One of my favorite shots from the night is this one. E37 sits at Othello, WA in wait for more things to do. This is an EF5 series Boxcab, meaning there are for units in this consist making it the largest electric in the Untied States. At 1350 HP each and impressive 120,000 pounds tractive effort it made these boxcabs the most superior of electrics. Neat shot, eh!!
This SD10, built by the Milwaukee Road for branchline service, was one of the more unique locomotives. The SD10 was an SD9 but with a chopped nose and an airintake to allow better air flow for the engine. This one works hard to pull grain cars out of a valley somewhere in southern Minnesota or Iowa. Hmmmmmm, I think it's riding on grass rails.
Happy railroading
James
Leon, just a cup of coffee, please, that is it! I have to get some sleep so no time to eat.
First, Happy Anniversary To Our Place!!! 29 months, counting!!!
Only 247 days until Our 3rd Annual Rendezvous!!!
More activities than expected this Tuesday. And a nice suprise, Per stopped by!!!
JanOlov – To get damaging pictures? Just ask Boris not to disconnect the camera every time Manager Lars and Ruth are going to do their admin work. Just offer some good stuff for Boris to eat. Thanks for the pictures and story on SP test of new Daylight! Very interesting reading and pictures from some places I know. The picture of Tehachapi Loop is something else! Tom – I will never forget what happened this day six years ago. Let’s just hope it will never happen again and never forget the people that did not survive. Pete has his vacation a few weeks too late! He should have had it before I went back to work. Then I could have covered his time slot. I thought I would be able to post some prepared posts from the office, but we are very busy now and there is hardly time to go the restroom. Pete will be back soon though!Very nice posters from yesteryear! Including Grand Canyon! But I like the first one the best, “Streamlining through Wonderful Florida!CM3 – Thanks for the links the Commemorative Air Force and the USAF!I have added them to my bookmarks. The Cardinals lost when there was only 22 seconds remaining! No comments!There was quite a few kids at Salinas, CA, when we stopped there with the X2000 in July 1993! The mayor brought a nice gift containing wine and other goodies. Lars – Sure, let’s make a wager if the D-Backs will square off against the Mets in the playoffs! The 4-4-4 in your picture has number 1 (under the headlight). Lady Baltimore was a 4-4-4 and had number 1. Abraham Lincoln was a 4-6-2 and had number 5314. The very same picture you showed is on the link below as Lady Baltimore.http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bo1cs.jpgAbraham Lincoln is on this link.http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bo5314s.jpgA bunch of Canadian, CN, steam locomotives this time. Picture 1 shows the same locomotive as picture 2, CN #5045, 4-6-2.Must be a reason for this. Is that site screwed up or is Ruth helping you? Hmmm. Per – Welcome back, Sir! Good to see you again, you have been missed!! Belated Happy Birthday!!! Sorry to hear about fall and shoulder problems. Hopefully the therapy and doctors will take care of it and bring you back to more normal conditions! Physical therapy three times a week! I’ll go to rehab three times a week and that helps a lot after my surgery. Fiber optic broadband, that is nice. What kind of connection did you have before this? Dial-up? There are still a number of Rc1’s in service. Most of them are now remote controlled (radio) and used for switching. The roundhouse is located in Hallsberg. Get well!!! Looking forward to see you again soon!Allan – I did not have any problems opening this sitehttp://www.geocities.com/ormondvillerail/I’ll go back and check that site again later. Seems to be a lot of stuff to read!I found a few pictures at the MOTAT site. It seems like they have all kinds of transportation equipment. James – Most of the locomotives I have been operating are electrics. Probably 90% of them. The rest are dieseil-electric locos. But I prefer electrics. Thanks for the pictures! I like that boxcab E37! The SD10 looks lost in all that green stuff. I have another electric for tonight. It is a Class Dm3. 9,655 hp and 211,320 lbs tractive effort.
Greetings Tom and brothers,
May have an extra cold Guinness for myself, top up and cigars for the lads please? Let's see.......fridge and freezer are both full.....good.
Tom, the people that made those ads could teach todays hip crowd about to do a nice and tasteful ad....beautiful stuff
DD1, thank you kindly for the Guinness mate. That is a very nice artwork on the GG1. If you ask me, there is no bad angle on a GG1 or anyhting like that....no Sir! Your next round is on me....
Da Larsman, I see what you're coming from, I'd hate to you guys into trouble you know. I'll keep my eyes and ears open to your backs clear.... Maybe "above photos from" etc. etc. Great steamers as always mate. It's too bad that diesel electrics and electrics behave and sound like steamlocomotives....
marthastrainyard, nae bother mate! Glad to be of service. Let's see if I can find some other songs to get stuck in your head.... Glad you enjoyed.
Gunneral, no problem. I'm a 90% steam fan when it comes to railroads, the other 10% are dielsels and electrics.... Glad you enjoyed.CMSTPP, Dave seem to be THE man on SP, let's hope that he returns in a near future. Glad you enjoyed them. I really like your Milwaukee Road pictures and very much look forward to see more from you.
EricX2000, I agree with you on the behalf of the some peoples "Admin work", seem to be A LOT of it.....probably best to pretend we don't notice. Great picture on the Dm3
Some more steamers.....
Western Pacific 252/frt Feather River....
Harsh, glaring sun highlights, silhouettes, and isshadowed by Western Pacific 2-8-8-2 252 as it works aheavy freight up the Feather River Canyon.Photograph by: Fred C. Stoes
WP 2-8-8-2 #253 Feather River Canyon Western Pacific 253 sits high atop a rock cribbingoverlooking the Feather River Canyon. The day is dark,and cold, and wet. The engine is all powerful on itsconsist.
Western Pacific 2-8-8-2, #259, full-on Western Pacific giant 2-8-8-2 locomotive, #259, is seenleading a long freight during a wet 1942 winter day inOroville, California. It seems orders are being transfered.The trick for the man on the ground was to stand closeenough to the moving giant to pass the orders off, but nottoo close!
Southern Pac. 4-6-6-2's Double-headTwo Southern Pacific 4-6-6-2 locomotives with #3905 onthe point work a long freight drag through Altamont Passone bright 1936 Sunday afternoon.
Photographer: Fred C. StoesSouthern Pacific cab-ahead 3907/406Southern Pacific cab-forward 4-6-6-2, #3907, is seen onfreight #406 in Niles Canyon.
Photographer: Fred C. Stoes
SP 2-8-8-2 #4041 in snow at TruckeeSouthern Pacific 2-8-8-2 #4041 waits at Truckee,California in the snow for assignment on Donner.late 1930'S.Photographer: Fred C. StoesSouthern Pacific #4208/freight, 1939Southern Pacific cab-forward, 4-6-6-2 #4208 is seen onfreight #408 at the highway bridge in Niles Canyon,California, 1937. Seemingly out of sequence, engines4200 through 4211 were originally designated as such.When the large block of new 4-8-8-2 4200 series camealong the earlier numbers were vacated in 1938 and the4-6-6-2's became #3900 through #3911. Ironically, FredStoes captured this view shortly before renumbering.Photographer: Fred C. StoesCredit: All photos from yesteryeardepot and taken by Fred C. Stoes.
Have a great day fellas! I'm of to get some sleep after a hard nights work....
PLEASE READ THESE MORNING ACKNOWLEDGMENTS!!
Wednesday's Witticism
Experience is another word for mistakes.
Mid-week in mid-continent USA where the petrol price has risen to $2.60 (rounded) uyp at "Collusion Corner." Temps have dropped rather nicely into what I'd call early Fall! Supposed to remain "nice" through the weekend. Awwwwwwright, finally got here.
Coffee ‘n pastries are fresh! Breakfasts ready to order from our Menu Board - so let's get going, Gents!!
Kudos to those of you who took the time ‘n made the effort to recognize a most significant day in U.S. history - and - recognition for one of our customers on the B'day Watch List!
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:40 AM Tuesday - Sep 11th: Our WVA Connection "connected" with some USAF "stuff"'n interesting chat to begin the day! Awesome audio . . .
Hope you get the chance to peruse what's been Posted when you come up for air! Such is life for the working man, eh
Round ‘n quarters most welcome!
Jan (JanOlov) at 2:31 PM Tuesday- Sep 11th: Wouldn't be a day at the bar without a visit from our Resident Swede in Scotland!
Lotsa smoke in that foto!
"Top up," tips ‘n money for Herr Wurltizer appreciated!
Ron (DD1) at 4:40 PM Tuesday - Sep 11th: Nope, didn't catch that Alaska presentation you mentioned - although I've seen so many over the years, perhaps it's one seen before. Thanx for mentioning it though . . .
Our Resident Southern Gentlemen down in Ole Miss didn't disappoint with another fine PRR calendar shot!
Suggestion: Put your "links" on a CD . . . save your bucks for buying model trains!
Sorry, but you can have my share of high temps ‘n humidity - changing clothes that often means I'd be outta there! <groan>
Thanx for the visit ‘n round!
Lars (LoveDomes) at 4:41 PM Tuesday - Sep 11th: A later than usual afternoon visit from our Manager and with some fine steam locos from the era of Classic Trains!
It's a strange division that the Cardinals are in - they dropped 5 in a row ‘n are still in contention with a record below .500. Good Gawd Gertie!! There was a sports "clip" yesterday that ran down all of the injuries the team has had this season ‘n it's really eye-opening, fer sure, fer sure. No team in the majors has lost so many for so long, so "they said," ‘n still remain in the hunt. RIP.
Honestly don't know what to say about our Left Coast Connection, West Coast S (Dave). He disappears quite often, only to resurface later on. That's a tendency some others have ‘round here. Thing is - it's hard to simply pick up from where one left off in light of so much material Posted ‘n Pages amassed . . . RIP.
Appreciate the rounds, fotos ‘n visit!
Per (marthastrainyard) at 7:52 PM Tuesday - Sep 11th: And guess what Our Resident Texas Swede did return as "promised" in his Email! Probably figured there'd be some B'day presents awaiting him . . .
Glad you're on the mend ‘n hope you'll be back to a full range of activities before too long! By the by - this is a cyber bar ‘n grill in the Ether. Meaning: you can drink ‘n eat anything you desire WITHOUT any adverse impact!! So, don't fall into that "trap" of confusing "reality" with what goes on ‘round here!! <grin> Have another, Mate - make it a double! <grin>
Looking forward a resumption of participation from you . . .
Time again for our OPTIONAL Toy 'n Model Trains Day! here at the Bar by the Ballast. As you may or may not recall, this feature at "Our" Place has been going on for years. Initially begun by a long-gone UTB, it was called "Pike Perspectives Day," then later changed when it became apparent that many of our guyz didn't have operating model railroads, but did have lots of memories 'n "stuff" sequestered away in boxes.
Here's an oldie that was initially Posted on Page 288, 29 Mar 2006 on the Original Thread:
OO gauge and British Model Trains Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. OO gauge Hornby Railways Flying Scotsman locomotive on an OO gauge layout (photo: Les Chatfield - Wikimedia Commons) OO gauge model railways are the most popular standard in the United Kingdom, being one of several 4 mm scale standards (4 mm to the foot (305 mm), or 1:76.2) in use, but the only one served by mass market manufacturers. OO uses 16.5 mm gauge track, which is inaccurate for 4 mm scale (it is accurate for HO scale). Many experienced modellers therefore find the OO standard inadequate, and they tend to model using the older EM gauge or the modern, exact scale P4 scale. History Double-O scale model railways were first launched by Bing in 1921 as 'The Table Railway', running on 16.5mm track and scaled at 4 mm to the foot (305 mm). In 1922, the first models of British prototypes appeared. Initially all locomotives were powered by clockwork, but the first electric power appeared in the Autumn of 1923. OO gauge was based on HO scale (3.5 mm:1 ft (305 mm)), and kept the same gauge. However, the large propulsion mechanisms could not fit into the small British prototypes, so the scale was enlarged to (4 mm:1 ft (305 mm)) without altering the gauge. This means that the scale gauge represents 4'1½", seven inches narrower than the prototype 4'8½" gauge. It is also used to represent the 5'3" Irish broad gauge where it is a scale 13½ inches too narrow. This difference is noticeable, especially when looking down the track. In 1932, the Bing company collapsed, but the Table Railway continued to be manufactured by the new Trix company. However, Trix decided to use a new standard of 3.5mm to the foot or 1:87, and this scale came to be known as 'HO'. (It is thought that this may have originated as 'Half-O' gauge, but there is no proof of this.) In 1938, the Meccano Company launched a new range of OO models under the trade name of Hornby DublO, and the OO scale has remained as the UK's most popular ever since. In the United States, Lionel Corporation introduced a range of OO models in 1938 as well. It did not prove popular and only remained on the market until 1942. OO gauge was quickly eclipsed by HO scale. OO today The two main manufacturers of ready-to-run model railways are Hornby Railways and Bachmann Branchline, a subsidiary of Bachmann Trains. A third major manufacturer of accessories (particularly track) is Peco. Manufacturers
Tri-ang Railways Triang Railways was an English manufacturer of toy trains, one of the elements of the Tri-ang company. Tri-Ang model railroad set from 1961 (GNU Free Documentation) History Tri-ang name The brothers George and Joseph Lines made wooden toys in the Victorian age, their company being G & J lines Ltd. Joseph was the active partner while George went into farming. Joseph (or Joe) had four sons. Three of these - William, Walter and Arthur Edwin Lines - formed Lines Bros Ltd soon after World War I. Three Lines make a triangle, hence the Tri-ang. Arthur's son, Richard Lines, was largely responsible for the Tri-ang Railways system. Foundation of Tri-ang Railways A 1960s Book of Trains. (fair use) Rovex Plastics Ltd was founded just after the World War II in 1946 by Alexander Venetzian, who made toys for Marks & Spencer. Venetzian was asked to develop an electric toy train set for Christmas 1950. He delivered the product but although the company had found larger premises in a former Brewery in Richmond, it was constrained financially. Line Bros were looking to expand into railways and so they purchased Rovex. Their products would be sold under the Tri-ang Railways name from 1951. To give room for development they moved the company now Rovex Scale Models Ltd to a brand new factory built at Margate, in Kent, in 1954. The success of Tri-ang mean that British competitors Trix and Hornby-Dublo were affected. In 1964, Hornby Dublo, a division of Meccano Ltd, had stopped production and Meccano Ltd invited Lines Bros. Ltd to buy them out. Tri-ang purchased the c
Good evening Tom and fellow train travellers...
Could I please have an extra cold Guinness and a top up with cigar around the bar? Just a quick visit to how you lads are doing and to put some $$$ in the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer.
Tom, nice read about OO gauge and British Model Trains...
A few more selected railroad songs to enjoy....
Orange Blossom SpecialLook a-yonder comin'Comin' down that railroad trackHey, look a-yonder comin'Comin' down that railroad trackIt's the Orange Blossom SpecialBringin' my baby backWell, I'm going down to FloridaAnd get some sand in my shoesOr maybe CalifornyAnd get some sand in my shoesI'll ride that Orange Blossom SpecialAnd lose these New York blues"Say man, when you going back to Florida?""When am I goin' back to Florida? I don't know, don't reckon I ever will.""Ain't you worried about getting your nourishment in New York?""Well, I don't care if I do-die-do-die-do-die-do-die."Hey talk about a-ramblin'She's the fastest train on the lineTalk about a-travellin'She's the fastest train on the lineIt's that Orange Blossom SpecialRollin' down the seaboard line
The Rock Island Line
Now, this here's the story about the Rock Island lineNow, the Rock Island line is a railroad lineAnd it runs down into New OrleasnAnd just outside of New Orleans is a big toll gateAnd all the trains that go through the toll gateWhy, they gotta pay the man some moneyLess of course, they got certain things on boardThen they okay, then they don't ever have to pay the man nothin'And right now, we see a trainShe's comin' on down the lineAnd when she got up here to the toll gateThe-a depot, he shout down to the driverHe want to know what he got on boardSo he say aWhat you got on board there, boyAnd the driver, he sing right on backDown to the depot agentTell him what he got on boardThe got a way of singingI got sheep, I got cowsI got horses, I got pigsI got all livestockI got all livestockI got all livestockAnd the man say, well, he sayYour alright there, boyYou don't have to pay me nothin'Just get 'em on throughSo the train go through the toll gateAnd as it go throughIt got up a little bit of steamAnd a, a little bit of speedAnd when he sees meOn the other side of the toll gateThey, the driver shout backDown the line to the man'Course you don't hear what he say nowBut home down the Rock Island lineI fooled you, I fooled youI got pig iron, I got pig ironI got all pig ironHe said, tell you where I'm goin', boyGoin' down the Rock Island line, yes, yesShe's a mighty good roadOh well, the Rock Island lineShe's a mighty good roadRock Island line is the road to rideYa, the Rock Island lineIs a mighty good roadAnd if you want to rideYou gotta ride itLike you find itGet your ticket at the stationOn the Rock Island lineWell, I may be rightI may be wrongI know you're gonna miss me when I'm goneYa,the Rock Island lineShe's a mighty good roadRock Island line is the road to rideYa, the Rock Island lineshe's a mighty good roadAnd if you want to rideYou gotta ride itLike you find itGet your ticket at the stationOn the Rock Island lineA B C, W X Y ZCat's in the cupboardBut he don't see meNow, the Rock Island lineShe's a mighty good roadRock Island line is the road to rideYa, the Rock Island lineShe's a mighty good roadAnd if you want to rideYou gotta ride itLike you find itGet your ticket at the stationOn the Rock Island lineHallaluah, I'm safe from sinThe good Lord's comin'For to see me againKeep it goin'And the Rock Island lineShe's a mighty good roadRock Island line is the road to rideYa, the Rock Island lineShe's a mighty good roadAnd if you want to rideYou gotta ride itLike you find itGet your ticket at the stationOn the Rock Island lineThe Rock Island lineShe's a mighty good roadRock Island line is the road to rideYa, the Rock Island lineShe's a mighty good roadAnd if you want to rideYou gotta ride itLike you find itGet your ticket at the stationOn the Rock Island line
Rock Island 4-6-2 Loco 853A Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific 4-6-2 locomotive #853works a 1920's passenger train along the main. Built bySchenectady in 1905, the #853 had 69" drivers, cylinderswith a bore of 22" and a stroke of 26", boiler pressure of200 lbs (per square inch), 31,000 pounds of tractiveeffort, and a total weight of 212,000 pounds.
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On the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe
Do you hear that whistle down the line?I figure that it's engine number forty-nine,She's the only one that'll sound that way.On the Atchison, Topeka and the Santa FeSee the ol' smoke risin' round the bend,I reckon that she knows she's gonna meet a friend,Folks around these parts get the time o' dayFrom the Atchison, Topeka and the Santa FeHere she comes!Ooh, ooh, ooh,Hey, Jim! yuh better git the rig!Ooh, ooh, ooh,She's got a list o' passengers that's pretty bigAnd they'll all want lifts to Brown's Hotel,'Cause lots o' them been travelin' for quite a spell,All the way from Phil-a-del-phi-ay,On the Atchison, Topeka and the Santa Fe.(repeat)Santa Fe 3774 on "Chief" out of LA Action and power is the name of the game as the bigSanta Fe Northern #3774 highball's the main with the"Chief" out of Los Angeles, California, 1939.
Pan American
I have heard your stories about your fast trainsBut now Ill tell you about one all the southern folks have seen|gShes the beauty of the southlands listen to that whistle screa
Most Happy Monthly Anniversary to "Our" Place -
29 months at the Watering Hole by the Wayside!
Ruth my deAH, a tankard of Keiths fine ale if you please, slide the snack try down my way wudja please, ‘n a round on me! Boris, it's feeding time for the crittAHs, so give Tex his saucer of brine, Awk a try of seeds, Frostbite his bucket of ice cubes, Juneau his chew bone - and - Artie his field mouse <ugh> - be sure to take him outback for that!! Yes, yes, the small jar of PPF is for YOU when finished!
So, we're witnessing yet another attempt to "get the goods" on us, huh Seems like some men at the bar need to be walked the plank! Hey, not a bad thought . . . <grin>
Had some mixed thoughts as a result of yesterday being an "anniversary" for a horrific event in our land. Been thinking about the numbers of young people who probably didn't even reflect one bit regarding the happenings 6 years ago. People who go about their lives as if all of this has no impact. Thinking about those who are so angry about this ‘n that, but wouldn't lift a finger to defend our country. Running down the country seems about the only thing so many have on their minds. Makes me sad to think about the troops who are getting shot at every day, or blown up, or both - while so many others do nothing but play at keyboards. Yeah, mixed emotions from a guy who served, whose 3 sons served, and would honorably do so again if called.
First off, my apologies to any who found my ‘screwed up' fotos objectionable in any way. Don't know how that happened other than to say one was definitely a Photo Bucket "thing," whereas the other was with the web site I got the pix from. They've been corrected. So thanks to Eric in the desert (our Desert Fox!!) who found the mistakes ‘n pointed ‘em out.
Feud, says the Proprietor?? Nah - maybe one WILL result if this nonsense doesn't stop regarding our fair lady, Ruth, is concerned. But not over fotos . . . nope.
Been a strange day without the guy from West Virginia - you know, CM3 I'm NOT Shane! <grin> But we've managed to hang in there anyway.
Yesterday (Tuesday) turned out quite well, all highlighted by the return of a friend who goes by the handle of "Per." Perhaps (no pun intended) he'll tell us how that nickname came to be. Anyway, good to see the man - sorry to learn of his injury - but glad we can look forward to some dialogue from our man in Texas!
Also most happy to note the appearance by our man who lives "upside down" in NZ!! <grin> Good to see ya, Allan, ‘n I invite you try one of my favorite brews - R&H from my home town. Ran some ads ‘n info on it awhile ago.
So when do we begin the "count down" for the return of the Bar Chandler Pete Doesn't look like he's going to show up while on vacation. But maybe his Mrs. has him tethered tightly so as not to wander too far. Wonder if Sonia found her way to California Anyway, just wondering ‘stuff.' <grin>
Jan stopped by with more lyrics. Even though we've seen these lyrics many times on our pages here and over on the original site, they fit right in with our theme of Classic Trains! Supplementing the lyrics with photos is a great idea!
Hey Bossman! Nice job with that Toy Trains spread. Lots of good info that may flick the switch for a few of our Brit friends. [tup ]
Sorry, but I haven't found anything "worthy" for the optional Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! BUT, I do have some book ‘n DVD covers!!
Good day Tom and all present. Drinks on me and Guinness for me. Todays calendar: Tomorrow will be my favorite.
Yesterday, not only being 9/11, was also my daughter's birthday, so we all went to her house to celebrate it. We had to kill a 4 foot rattlesnake halfway down our 1000 ft driveway. Our Grand kids walk along that driveway when they get off the school bus each day. The snake was very aggressive when we approached it. When it couldn't be coaxed to slither away into the woods, we had to terminate it. Ah the perils of country life. I know today is toy and model train day, so I have a few I will share with you. These are from my collection of G gauge trains. The first is of a Marklin loco in gauge 1.
Next: a partially complete scratch-built combine. All it needs are trucks and couplers.
Next: a reworked mogul from Bachmann.
Next: a D&RG coach circa 1870's
Finally, an old scratch-built Birney type trolley.
Tom: A very informative piece on OO gauge trains. I can remember the first OO engine I saw when I was about 9 or 10. I had a school chum who lived in a very fashionable apartment on Park Avenue. It had a doorman and awning outside. Even in those days, entry was controlled to keep out trash (me???). Anyway, the apartment was huge with rooms separated by French doors. His name was Morton and he had the largest toy railroad I had ever seen. It was all Lionel standard gauge. The tracks ran from room to room and was as large as the AC Gilbert, Hall of Science exhibit or the Lionel layouts in Macys at Christmas time, or at least it seemed. He also had the OO gauge locomotive. I think it was a Hudson by Either Lionel or AC Gilbert. It's funny how some things stick in the back of your brain after so many years.
A belated happy birthday to Per. I'm not sure you were here when I first signed on, but have a drink on me.
Lars: I have to say, locomotive pictures look better in black and white than color. They seem to be more dramatic in B&W.
James: A beautiful shot of the EF5. Although I like all things trains, electrics are by and far my favorite. I believe the Virginian railway and the Erie had some giant electric boxcabs.
Here's a magazine ad for a line of trains that look interesting.
Garden railway update: Now that temperatures are starting to drop, the urge to return to garden railroading has reared it's ugly head. Previously, my biggest problem was how to cut the grass around ground level trackwork. Even a string trimmer can raise havoc with track. I noticed an area within my 8 acre spread where the grass doesn't seem to grow very fast. It's around a pond, but will look like a lake in "G" gauge. The following foto shows the area for the railroad. The geese are no longer in residence as they moved next door to another pond.
I plan to run trains with on-board cordless battery packs and eventually radio control.
Good Evening everybody present! And Happy Monthiversary (take that, spell checker!)
Leon, please a round for everybody and a Reserva for me. Haven’t tasted that good stuff for over two months now. And I should trust Tom on this one, there will be no adverse impact!
Thanks to all of you for the birthday greetings! Yes, Milepost 62. It’s been a very interesting ride so far. I jumped on the train at around milepost 5, so I have some memories of different things, not just trains, to share. Travel in general is of great interest to me and after retiring next year I hope to be able to scan some of my pictures and put them up for the rest of you to see.
Thank you for the interesting history on the 00 and Tri-Ang, Tom. I had never really understood the reason for a scale so close to H0 but now I see why they did it. And I remember the Meccano sets I had as a kid, never the big sets, but mostly enough to build something fun and interesting. It’s Erector Sets over here, isn’t it?
James, what a great shot of the E37. It reminds me of the Dm class engine Eric posted; seems to be the same kind of idea behind the two engines.
And yes, Eric, I had dial-up before. It had gotten so bad that I could hardly even read regular email so I bit the bullet and upgraded. There are still some bugs to sort out, but it is FAST!
Jan Olov, there you go again! Along the Atchison, Topeka and the Santa Fe! But let me tell you, I’m prepared for you when you post Chattanooga Choo-Choo, I used to know most of that text so humming along to that will be easy. I didn’t get all of your pictures, I wonder if that’s another glitch I have to work out with my new connection here.
Lars, “Per” is actually my first name. It’s Swedish and a short form of Peter. I like you Big Boy pictures. There is one of those engines on display here in Dallas and it is BIG!
That area you have set aside for a garden layout, Ron, is just beautiful! I am sure you will get a great layout. The Marklin gauge 1 engine seems to be the same as the “standard” Marklin starter set H0 engine they had (or maybe still have).
Let me just end this with a picture of my Wylie scene on the club layout here in Dallas:
There is still a lot to do in that little area, but it is coming along pretty well.
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, I would like a double Cheese burger. Lots of raw onion and pickles! Thanks!
Wednesday, a warm day. But nice. It is going to get warmer tomorrow.
Tom – Very interesting article about a scale I know nothing about, scale 00! I have heard the brand names like Hornby and Tri-ang, but I never had any of their models. Maybe Allan has a NZ Hornby model?JanOlov – A couple of well known songs today, Orange Blossom Special and On the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe! I have both of them on records. Lars – I am sure stealthy Pete managed to sneak out of sight and say Hi (or whatever) to Sonia! I guess he learned from his boss. I think Pete will show up Monday!Big Boy! What else could I ask for? OK, a Challenger is also acceptable!
I have shown this pix before but it is a Big Boy! Pomona, CA.Ron – Beware of rattlesnakes! We have quite a few of them in this area. Your first model is a German Class 80. I like that scratch-built combine! Are you planning to add trucks and couplers? I noticed that the Bachmann Mogul does not have any flanges on the second pair of drivers. Nice model of that Birney type trolley! Is it powered? I understand that all these models (except the German Class 80) are G gauge. That area around the pond looks perfect for garden railroading! Hope you will keep us posted on the progress!Per – I remember the difference in speed when i upgraded several years ago. I would say it is worth the extra cost. Nice part of the club layout! But if you are moving back to California next year, what will happen to your Wylie scene?
And it's THURSDAY one more time - the day before week's end!
Coffee ‘n pastries are ready as are the <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts from our Menu Board - are you
Thanx to Eric - Lars ‘n Per for acknowledging our 29th Month Anniversary (Monthiversary - a term "coined" by wanswheel Mike, an irregular-regular these days <daze>)!!
Nary a customer in the AM daylite on Wednesday - not one! <uh oh>
Jan (JanOlov) at 1:40 PM Wednesday - Sep 12th: Lyrics ‘n more lyrics! All favorites of ours ‘round here ‘n all "in" Herr Wurltizer - just check the listings.
Good fotos - generous tips - ‘top up' appreciated ‘n money for the juke too!
Lars (LoveDomes) at 2:25 PM Wednesday - Sep 12th: Our Manager didn't fail us ‘n is keeping to an afternoon sked in the absence of our Bar Chandler - many thanx, Mate!
Not to worry about those fotos - you got ‘em straightened out! Glad all's well between you ‘n our Desert Fox!
Methinks you're not alone in your thinking . . . I too wonder who will answer the call when it comes - and it will. <sad>
Liked the UP spread - a road many "fans" don't care for - but given today's situation in the U.S. with operating RRs, better to have ‘em than not in my not-so-humble-Oh-Pin-Yun! Anyway, keep ‘em coming!
Round ‘n visit most appreciated!
Ron (DD1) 4:09 PM Wednesday - Sep 12th: Looks like we hit the "mother lode" with that super-fine spate of G-gauge trains! Nicely done, Sir!
It's been said before ‘n I'll echo it one more time - NOT for me! You can have my share of living in places where there are things alive ‘n waiting to strike at me. Nope. <ugh>
Liked the Pennsy calendar shot too! Easy to see why it's your favorite . . .
Mention of the Gilbert Hall of Science evoked some memories from my childhood. Recall that great street level window display of those wonderful American Flyer trains!! Also a short walk to the Lionel "building" where there was a terrific display of pretty much everything they made along with a super-sized layout. Remember I surely do!!
Round, visit, fotos ‘n chat most welcome!
Per (marthastrainyard) at 8:17 PM Wednesday - Sep 12th: Happy to see ya again ‘n finding things of interest to ya here at the Watering Hole by the Wayside! Over the 29 months that we've been in cyber space, more times than not the info provided by our guys is dependable ‘n current. Yes, there have (and will be) times where amendments have to be made, but as in any "conversation" in a bar, once we get "group connect," it's just amazing how quickly we get to the facts . . .
Nice looking scene from the club layout. Tell us more about that operation in Dallas! BUT save it for next Wednesday- our OPTIONAL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! <grin>
Lars is a clever, clever man - he "got ya" to reveal the origin of "Per," knowing all along that it means "Peter." He's of Norwegian descent ‘n there's no way I'd believe he didn't already know. Just his way of getting some "conversation" going.
If Wolfman Pete is on sked - they should be boarding the Southwest Chief this morning in LA. He said they'd be in KCity on Saturday, where they'll have a wait for the afternoon train to Jefferson City, which is "home." Expect we'll see a resumption of activity from him on Monday . . .
Round, visit, foto ‘n chat
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (New England Four Seasons Blend will be fine today); round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
Weather this a.m. clear, temperature approx 50 degrees but it is supposed to be in the 80s later, trees are starting to turn a little bit which is probably more a result of all the dry weather we have had rather than cool temperatures.
Let's see.
Jan - Vikings have been in several Super Bowls but have yet to win one. Their last appearance was in 1977 when they lost to Oakland which was coached by John Madden.
Thanks for the steam pictures. The shot of WP 252 backlit really makes that one a keeper - the light brought out the features of the terrain.
Check out the whaleback tenders on SP train 406.
The SAL was one of the few roads to put train names on diesels. The ACL (as shown in OSPs post of the "Champion" was another road that did so; IIRC, the Southern was the last to do so with the "Southern Crescent" name on their Es. BTW, that was a lovely shot of the dearly beloved "Pan." The diner is the third car in the consist if you look carefully. The line about Nashville tower and the whistle was interesting because WSM (Clear Channel 650), back in the day had a daily live broadcast of the Pan passing Vine Hill tower which was just south of Nashville. The train (what a concept) was usually on time, but they played a recording if it was late. Yes, Boris, I spent more than a few years around the L&N.
Last, but not least - the Tehachapi shot is a fine one as well.
DD1 visited with some more PRR calendar pictures. I am anxious to see what picture is "your" favorite. I already mentioned mine awhile back. Thanks for sending along the pictures. Lionel Standard gauge? Oh, yeah! We used to do the same thing at a friend's house. You have some interesting terrain available for an outside layout. I think the geese lend a touch of class to the operation. Up here, we are overrun with Canadas. Their output is amazing.
Lars - A buddy of mine will be at Shea next week to see the Mets vs. the Phillies. The Olde Towne Team is certainly making us "live in interesting times" as the old curse goes. The Yankees have been on fire and they will be in Boston for three games over the weekend - last time they play head-to-head during the regular season. I enjoyed looking at the steam photographs as always. Blow up the picture of CN 5045 and take a loot at the water tower which is behind the coal dock in the picture. Ah, I thought I heard the bookmobile - we have UP material to examine.
Per - Good to see you back. PT is not for the faint-hearted. I had about 9 mos. Of it when they put my knee and leg back together yrs ago. It worked, but there were certainly more than a few rough spots along the way. Happy belated birthday as well. The club layout shot raised a question. Is it a modular operation or does each member of the club have a piece of territory they work with?
When I was still in the frozen north, I was in a HO club (I know, Artie, I model N scale, but I had some HO equipment that needed exercise). Different club members were interested in different things so we had electrical folks, track people, car repairers, etc. I did scenery, acted as a yardmaster, and also was second in line as dispatcher - this was a monstrous layout and we ran it the old fashioned way with train orders - man, that was fun! Anyway, the scenery folks had certain sections which they handled, so we had a "territory." Does your group do things that way?
Allan - Thanks for the link, good to hear from you.
James stopped by. That MILW shot on the branch line captured the "spirit" of that part of the world. The SD10s were r/b from SD7s, but they went through a couple of numberings which makes sorting them out a little bit of a problem. Have you a model of one of their SDL39s? That's an interesting critter.
Eric visited with comments.
OSP posted a nice set of vintage ads and postcards. We touched on the named diesels earlier. The ACL postcard shows a set of these. Also, many thanks for the Tri-Ang material. I have a Hogwarts Express set. Bermuda onion? The New Haven served those on their grille car hamburgers - hadn't thought about that in a long time.
Well, I think that brings us up-to-date.
The Passenger Railroad Fallen Flags of "Our" Place #23
New York, New Haven & Hartford (NYNH&H) (NH)
<A form of this was initially Posted on Page 140 of the Original Thread on 18 Oct 2005>
Caveat: The information provided is NOT all inclusive and is reflective only of the periods mentioned.
Headquarters: New Haven, CT
Mileage in 1950: 1,800
Locomotives in 1963:
Diesel: 381 - Electric: 22
Rolling stock in 1963:
Freight cars: 6,925 - Passenger cars: 1,055 (including self-propelled)
Principal routes in 1950:
New York City (Grand Central)-New Haven-New London, CT-Providence, RI-Boston, MA
New York City (Pennsylvania Station)-New Rochelle, NY
New Haven-Hartford, CT-Springfield, MA
New Haven-Middletown-Putnam, CT-Boston (Readville)
New Haven-Northhampton & Holyoke, MA
Devon-Winsted, CT
Waterbury-Hartford-Plainfield, CT-Providence
Providence (Valley Falls)-Worcester, MA
Norwalk, CT-Pittsfield & Station Line, MA
Derby, CT-Campbell Hall & Beacon, NY
New London-Worcester
New Bedford & Fall River-Framingham-Lowell & Fitchburg, MA
Boston-Brocton-Provincetown & Hyannis & Woods Hole, MA
Attleboro-Taunton-Middleboro, MA
South Braintree-Plymouth, MA
Passenger trains of note:
NEW YORK-BOSTON
Hell Gate Express - Merchants Limited - Murray Hill - Narragansett -
New Yorker - Owl - Puritan - Roger Williams - Shoreliner - Yankee Clipper
BOSTON-PHILADELPHIA-WASHINGTON
(operated by PRR west of NYC (Penn Station)
Colonial - Federal - Patriot - Pilgrim - Quaker - Senator - William Penn
OTHER RUNS
Bankers (New York-Springfield)
Berkshires (New York-Pittsfield)
Connecticut Yankee (New York-Springfield)
Day Cape Codder (New York-Hyannis & Woods Hole
Day White Mountain (New York-Berlin, NH; operated by B&M north of Springfield)
Montrealer (New York-to-Montreal, operated by B&M, CV & CN north of Springfield)
Nathan Hale (New York-Springfield)
Naugatuck (New York-Winsted)
Night Cap (New York-Stamford, CT
State of Maine (New York-Portland, ME via Providence & Worcester; B&M beyond
Washingtonian (Montreal-to-Washington counterpart to Montrealer
Some drumheads from the NH:
Good day Tom and to all present. Drinks all around. Today's calendar is my favorite.
The next came out of a book written by Brian Hollingsworth and Arthur Cook and shows a class D, 1-C-1 Swedish electric of 1925. The pic shows the only one that had a wood body, so it is a prime candidate for a scale model. For a 1925 engine, it is quite modern by today's standards. Sorry about the poor quality. Maybe Jan or Eric might have a better picture?
Per: I remember Erector set well. My family wasn't rich, so the largest set I had was a #6½. The #10½ was the largest made and could make the parachute jump model. I can remember going to the Hall of Science at 47th St and Broadway/7th Ave and spending hours watching the AC Gilbert trains and various erector set models in motion. Christmas time was a special time to go visit that place and also the enormous layouts in Macy's toy department.
BTW, My father had a restaurant at 52nd St and 7th Ave where I spent much time, so I was only a few blocks from The Hall of Science. There used to be some great model railroad shops in the area. I remember one that had an HO Dockside running around a 12" disc in a CCW direction on a phono turntable running in a CW direction. I think it was called "Model Railroad Supply Corp" on 45th St, between 5th and 6th Ave.
Eric: Those models are in various states of completion. When I get a layout up and running, I may then complete some models and add them to the pike. The Birney is not powered and won't be. Some models are for display only. The mogul's center drivers are flangeless to allow it to operate on very tight radii. It is basically a toy that grew up. Bachmann trains used to be very cheap, but now they up in the 3 figures, approaching 4 figures.The ground around the pond is irregular enough that I can incorporate some trestles and bridges. For the moment, I plan to have a continuous running track around the pond. The pond is about 50x100 and stocked with bass, some over two pounds. We practice catch and release.
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