Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (New England Four Seasons Blend today) round the house and $ for the jukebox. Gas still at $2.89 this a.m., and the "getting up" temperature was 53 degrees. Red Sox have played some interesting baseball of late for certain. Om is pleased with certain football results (she's a diehard Ohio State fan), and the Mountaineers played well although their defense is a little questionable.
Lars has made many bookmobile runs. The Electric Way Across the Mountains is outstanding! It is in a second edition (as shown by the cover) with some revamped pages, new material etc. The interesting part about this book is that it has a lot of "mechanical material" as well as some excellent photography. Willis McCaleb worked for the Nickel Plate for years as a safety person and photographer. There are a couple of volumes of his NKP photography out there and they are well worth looking at. Art Mitchell's B&M book is a good one, and the CV Banana Belt volume is a real "sleeper," I recommend this one if you have not seen it. OSP would like it as a lot of the story centers around New London - quite the rail center back in the day.
The Monon publication had an interesting picture as it showed the r/b US Army hospital cars which the Monon turned into passenger equipment in their own shops. How many out there remember the Army cars that Amtrak converted into lounges?
Rest of the books we have commented on before in other posts. Incidentally, the GM&O book is o/p but available (at a substantial price).
Mike stopped by with Jimmie Rodgers material - many thanks!
DL is with us, too. Enjoyed the beginning of your travelogue. I used to like to go to Spadina back when it was active. Friendly folks and lots of picture opportunities. Speaking of Canada, remind me to tell the story about the Smiths Falls turntable when we gather at the next rendezvous.
Pete - The Louisville and Nashville ran steam between Louisville and Birmingham w/o stopping for coal and/or water. This was not, however, a common practice on all of their trains.
Allan visited - good to hear from you.
Jan - Sent more MILW material. Check out the Steinheimer book I mentioned earlier of you haven't seen it. Picture of Sixteen, MT was a good one. I especially enjoyed the shot of the MILW passenger train in Iowa - study that one, folks - you will never see the like of it again. BTW, no orders for trains when the photographer made the picture.
James also sent MILW information.
Eric sent along comments. Key System is in San Francisco. I enjoyed the picture of the 0-8-0 with the plow pilot. I imagine that loco. Could pull the paint of the walls. Incidentally, there is a USRA 0-8-0 in N scale due out a little later this year.
The shop picture is of an electric down to its unmentionables. More than that, I cannot add.
OSP - The Aerotrain picture is not in my office - that one is at the house. Man Liens of Commerce is a fall scene on the Middle Division with steam locomotives and an A-B set of E7s with a passenger train,
I know what you mean, Hagar - I go to meetings with the "Lord High Executioners" and think, "I knew you when." It's a great antidote to folks taking themselves too seriously.
Alaska shots are nice to see (always) and we have some good "moom pictures" at the Theatuh.
Let's see we have some Budd cars. You show three of the four types of Budds owned by the B&M. 6114 and 6304 were both taken at North Station in Boston. 6202 is a tough one as there is not much background, so I'll take a mulligan on that one. Here's a rerun of a B&M pos I did awhile back.
Boston and Maine - The Way It Was
Think of the Boston and Maine and you think of utilitarian North Station; a building that crouched along Causeway Street, hemmed in by the elevated trolley tracks and the Manger Hotel and surmounted by Boston Garden.
I always associated North Station with winter even though I traveled from there in all seasons. Maybe it was the name - North Station - that made me think of ice-encrusted freight cars, steam-heated passenger coaches, and trains plowing through deep snow "up country."
North Station's lobby was neither large nor ornate. It was a low, wide space, somewhat dark, with ticket windows on one side and train gates on the other. It was not a space designed for travelers to spend much time. Buying tickets was simple; tell the agent where you wanted to go, push the money under the bars in the window and get your ticket and change back with minimal conversation and no wasted motion; a truly New England process.
To the trains, then, ticket in hand. Umbrella sheds protected the platforms and it was always cold under the sheds in the winter and cool under the sheds in the summer. From North Station, the B&M sent commuter trains to the suburbs and long haul runs to all corners of northern New England, west to New York State, and into Canada. Passengers could not see much as the tracks were close together and it was dark so the scope of operations at North Station was not apparent until a train cleared the umbrella sheds and moved out into an area that was a little more open.
North Station was a busy place with cars and locomotives come to the big city from Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Canada. There was also a horde of commuter trains. In the morning, empty trains backed out of the station as loaded trains arrived. In the evening, this complicated ballet occurred again. Loaded outbound trains threaded their way among empty trains backing down from the coach yard to the station.
The station tracks quickly narrowed to a pair of drawbridges; truly a yard "throat." A tower just past the bridges controlled all of the activity. Bridge tenders were responsible for raising the bridges to allow shipping to pass, which was mostly tows of barges. The tracks fanned out after crossing the bridges. Mystic was next.
Mystic was truly the operational heart of the Boston and Maine. Across the Charles River from North Station, Mystic was in the shadows of the grim walls of what the newspapers always called the "infamous Massachusetts State Prison at Charlestown." Mystic combined freight yards, team tracks, and a coach yard. The Boston Engine Terminal was part of the larger Mystic facility.
The names on the cars in the coach yard told where the B&M went and the places it served. There were coaches, lounge cars, sleepers, RPOs and baggage cars from the Canadian Pacific, Boston and Maine, and Maine Central. Commuter coaches were, of course, most numerous.
The B&M (in common with other New England lines) terminated a lot more freight than it originated, so many offline cars were interspersed with home road cars. So, framed by the coach window, I could see cars from far away roads. They snapped by like slides; Chicago and North Western "Route of the 400s," Milwaukee Road, Santa Fe, SLSF "Ship It On the Frisco," Union Pacific, Baltimore and Ohio, Chesapeake and Ohio. There were a lot of cars from eastern roads; Pennsylvania (with the keystone and lined PRR letters), New Haven, Maine Central, B&M, of course, and New York Central. Dull red (boxcar red or tuscan) was the predominant color although refrigerator cars were yellow or orange and there were some red, white and blue "State of Maine" cars to break up the monotony.
Sometimes there would be cuts of ratty looking single dome tank cars or loaded and empty coal cars on the yard tracks. There were also indescribably filthy hide cars in the yard along with livestock cars with open, slatted sides. Gondolas were there, too, with loads of scrap of other cargo in large wooden crates. There I could see flat cars with loads of machinery or other equipment, sometimes in the open and sometimes covered with tarps. In any case, freight on flat cars was blocked and tied down to keep the loads from shifting.
The engine terminal was a wondrous combination of steam and diesel engines of different types. At the clangorous steam shop, the fleet of aging Pacifics, Atlantics, and Moguls received inspections and running repairs. I also saw 4-8-2s at the steam shop. These engines had enormous pedestal tenders. The diesel house, newer and much cleaner than the steam shop, handled all types of Alco RS-type units, and EMD E units from passenger trains and FTs and geeps from freights.
The B&M's splendid red and gold color scheme was highlighted by a herald of the Concord Minute Man. B&M engines shared terminal space with Maine Central's green and gold units that came down from the north on passenger trains. Painted a light green, an E unit's engine compartment was hot and noisy even when the engine was idling.
Steam engines pulled commuter trains when I was very small. Diesel power replaced steam in the mid 50s. Every business day a fleet of Alco RS and EMD GP7-powered trains converged on North Station to discharge a host of businessmen, secretaries and others who worked in the city. The B&M's wine-red commuter cars were, at best, spartan. Air conditioning did not exist as steam heat tried to subdue New England's winters and open windows did their best to cope with summer heat and humidity.
A caste system applied on commuter trains as "regular" passengers, who were on a first-name basis with the train crew, sat in certain seats. Casual riders made sure not to deprive regulars of their seats. Tickets were stuck into hatbands (men wore hats then) or inserted into clips on the tops of the coach seats. This system allowed trainmen to pass through the cars to collect tickets without disturbing the passengers who read, napped, or played cards. The cars had walkover seats whose backs could be flipped to accommodate groups of up to four passengers who played on wooden or composition lapboards big enough to hold the cars and/or score pads depending on what the game was. I don't recall there ever being any clear winners or losers, and the game clearly had been going on for a long time.
The train was now past Mystic. There was still a fair amount of manufacturing in the Boston area when I was a child, and I always liked the factory buildings with their rail sidings that seemed to be so close to the main line.
Historians tell us that the Boston and Maine was cobbled together from other small (and large) lines including the Fitchburg Railroad, the "original" Boston and Maine, the Boston and Lowell and the Eastern RR. Many of these predecessor lines had absorbed other roads which accounted for the skein of branch lines around Boston. You could see some of this near the yards at North Station as the tracks suddenly diverged; some heading north by east to the suburbs and northern destinations. The Fitchburg Division turned west through industrial cities, towns and suburbs, and into open country to eventually pass through the frightening Hoosac Tunnel and on to the impossibly far reaches of eastern New York to places such as Mechanicville, Troy, and Rotterdam Junction.
The train passed through a series of block-lined cuts. These stone blocks were grimy from the passage of countless trains. Water was in the ditches beside the tracks here; no matter how hot the weather. There were high wooden fences atop the cuts and three-decker houses were close to the tracks just beyond the fences.
Our train was now on the Fitchburg Division, but not for long as we switched over to the farthest right track to get onto the Lexington (Bedford) Branch which began just east of where the Alewife Brook Parkway crossed over the B&M on the Fresh Pond bridge. Now we were heading northwest and a runaround track was on our left. The train clanked across the Freight Cut Off, a line that served as a route for oversize loads to and from Boston as well as a secondary freight line. The track now passed through a low, swampy area with high grass and cattails. Immediately after the swamp, the track passed beneath Route 2. A trailing switch here led back to the Freight Cut Off. The train slowed and a crewman dropped off to flag us over the crossing to our station stop at Lake Street.
After passengers detrained we got underway again. A passing track ran from Lake Street to Pond Lane and we could see Spy Pond on our left, its water sparkling through the trees. Here the train passed through a landscape of backyards and light industrial buildings. Past Lake Street, outbound trains encountered a 5½ mile long grade which lasted until just beyond North Lexington. It was enough to make the locomotive work, but not so steep as to require any special operational restrictions.
Arlington Centre was next. The branch crossed Massachusetts Avenue where the crossing was controlled by a traffic light activated by a key carried by a trainman. The train stopped and waited for the signal to clear before it clumped across the street. The Arlington Centre stop was just past the crossing. There was a small yard, but I don't recall ever seeing much activity there. A small bridge carried us over Mill Brook past another set of sidings. Brattle Station was next. Now we ran through alternate patches of woodland, wet areas and suburban homes. The vegetation was sometimes so close to the tracks that it slapped against the sides of the cars as we passed by. There were more sidings along the route, many with boxcars or refrigerator cars spotted on them. We entered Lexington right after passing under the Park Avenue bridge and by the site of the Arlington Heights station. The engine was working as we had climbed 130 feet in elevation since departing Lake Street. There used to be a station at Brattle Street, but it was long gone. Not so Lexington which had five stations: East Lexington, Pierce's Bridge, Monroe, Lexington, and North Lexington.
The Lexington station was a white wooden structure. It was one of the few stations in New England to have a train shed. Under the shed it was dark and damp and smelled of oil, creosote, and coal smoke from engines that had passed long ago. The platform was cement and dirt; mostly dirt. A taxi company occupied the north end of the station. The rest of the building was devoted to railroad business.
A small yard east of the station handled cars picked up and set off by local freights. Other industries scattered along the branch, such as coal and lumber yards usually received loads. The lumber yard received aromatic loads of wood from Canada and the west. Local trains spotted coal hoppers at different industries along the branch.
More than a few residents still heated with coal so anthracite often came on Lexington branch trains. There was a small coal yard in North Lexington that had a wooden storage facility. Metal signs advertised the different brands of coal that were available such as Blue Coal, Reading Anthracite, and D&H Anthracite. These signs were very colorful with red and white, blue and white, and blue and orange lettering. Conveyors carried the coal to different pockets where it would be loaded into trucks that carried the coal to the customer.
In late November, from Canada, came my favorite cars, loaded with fragrant Christmas trees. The cars of trees did not arrive until late November because back then the Christmas holidays did not "officially" start until after Thanksgiving.
The branch also originated cars. There used to be farmland in Lexington and farmers raised broccoli and celery and shipped their produce by rail. On the siding behind the station, I saw ice cooled wooden Pacific Fruit Express or Western Fruit Express refrigerator cars being loaded with loamy smelling wooden crates of celery. The refrigerator cars had orange or yellow sides with brown or black ends and tops. The cars had logos from foreign lines such as Union Pacific, Santa Fe, or Great Northern. Men loaded ice through the car's roof hatches into bunkers.
This activity presented a better geography lesson than in any schoolbook because it gave me a sense of the ecology of the railroad - how the branch was part of a larger system that brought products from the outside to our town and sent other products out to the rest of the world.
Lexington Branch trains tied up at Bedford. I remember going with my father on different weekend errands and seeing cuts of cars and red and gold diesels spotted by the Bedford station. These engines were RS3s or GP7s. Later on, of course, the diesel hauled trains were replaced by Budd cars.
Check out these web sites for additional B&M information - they are very detailed and well-organized; some with vintage pictures and video clips as well.
Friends of Bedford Depot
http://www.bedforddepot.org/
Unofficial Boston and Maine Page
http://www.faracresfarm.com/jbvb/rr/bmrr/b_and_m.html
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G'day Gents!
Although it's not an OH-FISH-UL "Theme for the Day" - appears we've got something going with the Boston & Maine (B&M) - so here's something from the Original Thread to keep 'er goin' . . .
Now arriving on track #1 ..... Railroads from Yesteryear! Number Fifteen
<A form of this was initially Posted on Page 307 of the Original Thread>
Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources. Boston & Maine Railroad (B&M) passenger operations Reporting marks: BM, BMZ Locale: Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, and Vermont Dates of operation: 1836 - 1983 (continues in name only subsidiary under changed ownership)Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge) Headquarters: Boston, Massachusetts 1898 map The Boston and Maine Railroad (AAR reporting mark BM), also known by the abbreviation B&M, was the dominant railroad of the northern New England region of the United States for a century. It is now part of the Guilford Rail System network. History The Andover and Wilmington Railroad was incorporated March 15, 1833 to build a branch from the Boston and Lowell Railroad at Wilmington, Massachusetts north to Andover. The line opened to Andover on August 8, 1836. The name was changed to the Andover and Haverhill Railroad on April 18, 1837, reflecting plans to build further to Haverhill (opened later that year), and yet further to Portland, Maine with the renaming to the Boston and Portland Railroad on April 3, 1839, opening to the New Hampshire state line in 1840. The Boston and Maine Railroad was chartered in New Hampshire on June 27, 1835, and the Maine, New Hampshire and Massachusetts Railroad was incorporated March 12, 1839 in Maine, both companies continuing the proposed line to South Berwick, Maine. The railroad opened in 1840 to Exeter, New Hampshire, and on January 1, 1842 the two companies merged with the Boston and Portland to form a new Boston and Maine Railroad. On February 23, 1843 the B&M opened to Agamenticus, on the line of the Portland, Saco and Portsmouth Railroad in South Berwick. On January 28 of that year the B&M and Eastern Railroad came to an agreement to both lease the PS&P as a joint line to Portland. The Boston and Maine Extension Railroad was incorporated March 16, 1844, due to a dispute with the Boston and Lowell Railroad over trackage rights rates between Wilmington and Boston. That company was merged into the main B&M on March 19, 1845, and opened July 1, leading to the abandonment of the old connection to the B&L (later reused by the B&L for their Wildcat Branch). In 1848 another original section was abandoned, as a new alignment was built from Wilmington north to North Andover in order to better serve Lawrence. A new alignment to Portland opened in 1873, splitting from the old route at South Berwick. The old route was later abandoned. As the B&M grew, it also gained control of its former rivals. These acquisitions included the following: Eastern The Eastern Railroad was leased by the B&M on December 23, 1883. This provided a second route to Maine, as well as many local branches, ending competition along the immediate route between Boston and Portland. Worcester, Nashua and Portland The Worcester and Nashua Railroad was organized in 1845 (opened 1848) and the Nashua and Rochester Railroad in 1847, forming a line between Worcester, Massachusetts and Rochester, New Hampshire via Nashua. The W&N leased the N&R in 1874, and the two companies merged into the Worcester, Nashua and Rochester Railroad in 1883. The B&M leased the line on January 1, 1886. This acquisition also included the continuation from Rochester to Portland, Maine, incorporated in 1846 as the York and Cumberland Railroad. It opened partially in 1851 and 1853, was reorganized as the Portland and Rochester Railroad in 1867, and opened the rest of the way in 1871. It was again reorganized in 1881 and then operated in conjunction with the line to Worcester. Boston and Lowell On April 1, 1887 the B&M leased the Boston and Lowell Railroad, adding not only trackage in the Boston area, but also the Central Massachusetts Railroad west to Northampton, the Boston, Concord and Montreal Railroad into northern New Hampshire, the St. Johnsbury and Lake Champlain Railroad to northwestern Vermont, and the Connecticut and Passumpsic Rivers Railroad from White River Junction into Quebec. However, the BC&M was separated in 1889 and merged with the Concord Railroad to form the Concord and Montreal Railroad, which the B&M leased on April 1, 1895, gaining the Concord Railroad's direct line between Nashua and Concord. Additionally, the St. Johnsbury and Lake Champlain Railroad, owned by the B&M through stock, was leased to the Maine Central Railroad by 1912. The Central Massachusetts Railroad stayed a part of the B&M, as did the Connecticut and Passumpsic Rivers Railroad (as the Passumpsic Division). Northern The Northern Railroad was leased to the Boston and Lowell in 1884, but that lease was cancelled and the Northern was on its own until 1890, when it was released to the B&L, then part of the B&M. The Northern owned a number of lines running west from Concord. Connecticut River On January 1, 1893, the B&M leased the Connecticut River Railroad, with a main line from Springfield, Massachusetts nor
Hello Tom and all in
Apologies, I forgot yesterday was Labor Day in North America! No wonder things were a bit different in the bar! Hope ya'll had a good time!
I'll try a frosty one of Lars' favourite - since he was offering me one the other day.
Tom, what a surprise to see you confirm my suspicions about Toronto airport transit! As you say, very similar to Montreal where you are not supposed to take VIA down town even if you manage to co-incide with a departure from Dorval anyway.
That link on the TTC streetcar was one of two (I think) short listed designs, but as you say (and as Eric points out) they are LRV style vehicles - I assume this is because they want to lay new LRV lines - if they want to run them on the existing streetcar rails I would think they would need to tweak the track condition up a bit for these modern vehicles are probably more temperamental than the tradition streetcars (but I'm no expert!).
The main problem I felt the TTC had was that apart from the Spadina line and some other short sections Toronto streetcars are not on dedicated lines of route so get stuck up in road traffic - this meant sometimes you could wait some time for a streetcar as it had got stuck going in the other direction trying to get through to the end of line - and they did not have a system, in place to turn back cars short of destination in order to increase frequency in the reverse direction when all the streetcars were stuck going one way. A small criticism but frustrating when you are waiting long times for cars and then see many others going the opposite way!
Like you, I was surprised to see only 2 locos on The Canadian - but I'm sure that is all there was - I'll have to check my pictures - but I decided to go with 35mm transparencies (like back in the good old days) and it will be a while before they are back from processing for me to look.
Allan - interesting link to that Fell railway - they have ambitious plans and it sounds like they have done well on money raising for the project - what is the timescale for them to have it re-opened?
James - I was interested to read your comments - what is the timescale on the Minneapolis - Duluth rail commuter line re-opening?
Jan - nice selection of Milwaukee Road pictures - esp the stations. Can I ask you to tell me a bit more about that stylish streamlined diesel you posted a pic on page 93?
Should mention for Ron that I was only in Ontario (mostly Toronto) so not in any of the French language areas - only Mall I had time to see was the Eaton Centre - but I must confess I don't frequent those places if I can avoid them because all too often they only have the same selection of attractions as in very other location - no local colour or variation, which is frustrating - also picking up on your later message - The Titfield Thunderbolt is certainly one of my favourite moves and you might be interested in this link to a site about it:
http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~liserc/tit.html
The page on the locations is of interest.
Anyway - for this instalment I'll include a few comments on our visit to the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum - which Tom has already linked to some pictures from an Our Place Rendezvous. This is a really well done museum - with a great many planes in flying condition - and in fact he next day about 6 or 7 of them were leaving the museum to appear in an air show - so it was good we did not miss them. This necessitated some warming up of engines in readiness on the ground outside the hangar - and the B25-Mitchell was warmed up in this way whilst we were there - which was great to see and hear.
Our main purpose for visiting the museum was to see a selection of the aircraft my late uncle had flown whilst in Canada being trained under the Commonwealth Air Training Scheme as a member of the RAF during WW2 - these aircraft included a DeHaviland Tiger Moth, a Harvard trainer, an Avro Anson, a Link Trainer flight simulator (of course), The Fairchild Cornell and the PBY Canso sea plane. In fact the only aircraft he flew which the museum does not possess an example of is the Short Sunderland (a large British built seaplane).
So the museum has a great collection of aircraft in very good condition, despite having suffered a serious fire some years back which destroyed 5 aircraft including a Spitfire and Hurricane which means the examples they have there of those two aircraft are replicas.
All the best
DL
PS CM3 / Tom - juts caught your interesting B&M posts (after i had prepared my submission)
Good day Tom and all in attendance. Drinks all around. I guess you were wondering what happened to me by my silence. I had computer problems, in that I couldn't log on to the forum. But all is fine again so to catch up, here are four calendars of the Pennsy.
1951 didn't look too interesting so I scratched it.
DL: I know that malls can be boring, but the ones I found in and around Quebec are different. No two malls had the same stores, which is not the case in the U.S. A store in Ca is the same as one in Ms. That is a good reason why malls in the U.S. are not as busy as they should be. In Quebec, the malls are packed every day and people make it an all day affair. In Quebec, you can buy a new car, eat breakfast, lunch and dinner, see a movie, watch a hockey game, do all your grocery shopping, post office services and shop till you drop.
Good evening Tom and gentlemen,
Tonight I think that I'll have an cold Carlsberg Export actually, if you don't mind please. Give the boys a top up as well.
DL - UK, sure thing brother.....
The Union Pacific Railroad's M-10003, M-10004, M-10005, and M-10006 were four identical diesel-electric streamliner train 2-car power sets delivered in May, June, and July 1936 from Pullman-Standard with engines and internal locomotive equipment by General Motors' Electro-Motive Division. One was for the City of San Francisco, two were for the City of Denver, and one was a spare set that ran on both routes. In 1939, M-10004 was split and converted into additional boosters for the other sets, now renumbered CD-05, CD-06, and CD-07, all running on the City of Denver. The M-10001 power car became the other third booster. In this form, the three power sets ran until 1953 when they were replaced by E8 locomotives in 1953, at which point they were scrapped.
The M-10004 at Denver, Colorado, 1938.
Historical significance
The M-10003 through M-10006 represented the final development of the custom streamlined trainset on the Union Pacific, and showed the way toward the future of separate locomotives. As totally separable and interchangeable power sets, they were diesel locomotives in all but name. Their service life of seventeen years was longer than any other UP streamliners.
Details
In many respects, these power sets had a lot in common with the Illinois Central's Green Diamond set, which was completed just previous to these. Abandoning the "turret cab" styling of M-10000 through M-10002, these units adopted a new "automobile design" elevated cab, as in the Green Diamond, behind a long prow of a nose. A divided front air intake grille dominated the nose front, edged in shining stainless steel. Beneath, the pilot was edged and barred in stainless steel, very like the Diamond's. A large headlight tipped the nose.
Each power car had a 1,200 hp V16 Winton 201-A engine, generator, and a pair of two-axle powered trucks. The rear truck of the first power car and the lead truck of the second power car rode on a span bolster to which both power cars were articulated, so they made one unified locomotive of B-B+B-B configuration and a total of 2,400 hp (1,800 kW).
The first westbound City of Denver (M-10005) arrives at Denver, Colorado, June 19, 1936.
Changes
The most significant change to these power sets came in 1939, when they were converted from four two-car, 2,400 hp sets to three three-car, 3,600 hp (2700 kW) sets. Other changes included a gyrating signal light installed below the main headlight after the Second World War, the loss of the stainless steel trim on the pilot, the addition of the Chicago and North Western Railway herald to the nose in addition to the Union Pacific one, and changed nose-side badges for the route. At some point, the original Armour Yellow and Leaf Brown livery was changed to the UP paint scheme still used today, of Armour Yellow with Harbor Mist Gray roof and base, and red striping separating them.
The CD-07 set in 1952, only a year before scrapping, shows its final configuration.
Individual power set histories
M-10003, later CD-07
Despite the earlier number, the M-10003 was actually the last completed of the four. This was because the number M-10003 had been previously assigned to a projected sister trainset to M-10001, which was cancelled when the UP and Pullman-Standard realised that demand for the new trains required more power and a longer trainset. The number was reallocated to the fourth of the new units.
The M-10003 was intended to be a spare power unit set, able to fill in on either the City of San Francisco or City of Denver if any of the other three trainsets needed maintenance. In June 1937, it was decided to permanently assign it to the City of Denver and it was renumbered to CD-07. A third power car was added in December 1939, using a new carbody and the power equipment from M-10001.
CD-07 remained in service on the City of Denver with the two other sets until March 1953, and was scrapped with them in summer that year.
M-10004, later LA-4
First completed was M-10004 in May 1936 for the City of San Francisco. The new power cars had vertical sides and higher profiles than the previous streamliners, but the rest of the train was built to the tapered-side profile of the M-10000 through M-10002 sets. It entered revenue service on June 14, 1936 but lasted only 18 months on the train before the new EMD E2 3-unit set SF-1, SF-2 and SF-3 took over. The train was then refurbished by the UP, renumbered LA-4 and placed on City of Los Angeles service, bumping M-10002 to the City of Portland, which in turn displaced M-10001.
After less than a year as the City of Los Angeles, the LA-4 was replaced again, this time by new EMD E3s LA-5 and LA-6 in March 1939. In June of that year, the lead power car of the train was rebuilt as a booster unit, renumbered to CD-06-C, and added to the former M-10006, now renumbered as CD-06. The trailing power car was added to the former M-10005, now CD-05, as CD-05-C. Both cars were scrapped with their respective power sets.
M-10005, later CD-05
Completed in June 1936, M-10005 entered service as the first of two new streamliners, the "Denver twins", for the City of Denver service on June 18. After approximately a year of running that service, during which the train and its sister M-10006 had moved 129,000 passengers and travelled 765,000 miles (1,231,000 km) between the two, the train was renumbered CD-05.
In June 1939, the former trailing power car of LA-4 (ex M-10004) was added as a third locomotive unit to the power set, giving it a total of 3,600 hp (2,700 kW), and the train was lengthened.
In this form, CD-05 continued in service until March 1953, when it was replaced by new E8 units and scrapped a few months later.
M-10006, later CD-06
M-10006 followed a similar service life to its sister M-10005, being the second of the "Denver twins". It was renumbered to CD-06 in June 1937, and added the rebuilt first power car of LA-4 (ex M-10004) as its third power car in June 1939. It was withdrawn alongside the other units during March 1953 and scrapped.
Lord Tom and fellow members of House Of Lords,
May I have a Cappucino and a top up for the boys please?
DD1, nice PRR pictures there, they sure had some nice steamers didn't they?
A rare color photo of the T1 at the Baldwin plant ready for delivery to the PRR.
FOR Jan:
As Da Boss has told you in the past - we do NOT serve CAPPUCINO. Have never served CAPPUCINO and will NOT serve CAPPUCINO!
Don't have the machine, don't want the machine, and don't want to hear about the machine!
We're a bar specializing in what taverns do best! <geesh>
Manager Lars!!
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!
Ruth my deAH you are the sunshine behind a cloudy day! What radiance. <blush> Yes, a JD on the rocks should do quite well - a round for the house - treats for the crittAHs, ‘n the small jar of PPF for Boris once he finishes feeding the gang! <grin>
Was quite the Labor Day celebration out back capped off with a fine fireworks display. Where in the world did those RPG's come from along with the SAM's Vito the Hit ‘n his Fireworks ‘R Us <or else!> didn't disappoint! <grin>
Noted the flurry of activity once things got dark, with visits from those noted in the AM report from Da Boss.
Wonderin' if Wolfman Pete has been caught up in the awful heat wave out there in Southern California Power outages too. <geesh> He sure knows when to pick the time to head west, huh Sure could use some daytime help ‘round here while he's outta town. Would take a bit of the strain off . . .
For Cap'n Tom: Continuing with the B&M material, huh Great RR From Yesteryear selection! Lotsastuff in that one . . . Should keep our coalminer friend in "hog heaven" for the day!
Don't mind helping out when 'n where I can.
For Jan: You put forth quite a bit of inside info regarding what must be an interesting past. Ranger, huh Whose army ‘n when Nice to know we have another military vet amongst us . . .
I met up with a guy who said he was in the FFL ‘n from the way he carried himself, there was little doubt that he played with perhaps 49 cards of the full deck. <uh oh> He was an oiler aboard one of the ships I engineered in ‘n did his work in a competent manner. Some guys you just don't' forget . . .
What thoroughly PO's Da Bossman ‘n yours truly are the guys who simply dropped off the earth after being the bar for long stints. One in particular I note is frequenting one of your topics. x 10, in my not-so-humble-opinion.
Noted you've got more topics going for you on the forum than anyone else. Trying to set a record?? I don't stray very far from "home," so don't know what's going on over on the MRR or other forums. I do check to see who is logged in though - something Da Boss "taught" me how to do. Interesting to see the sign-ins . . . .
Now THAT's quite a spread to look forward to - Friday can't get here soon enough!
So, you think I'm a youngster, huh First you call me a "wee man," now it's another misnomer. Hmmmmm, time for YOU to join the B'day Watch List!! Send Da Boss an e-mail ‘n we'll ALL know!
Good stuff on the Milwaukee Road, mate - have one on me!
More info in that UP post than I'll evAH need!
CAPPUCINO my sweet stern section!
For Eric: Nope, wasn't "in" on Sunday - just slipped my messages through the mail slots on the front doors! Try it sometime - it works well.
Penthouse Suite, me??? You must have me confused with Pete ‘n Sonia! <grin>
I think there's a brainwave beginning regarding that photo - but I'll have to give it some more thought. <hmmmmmmmmm>
For CM3 I'm NOT Shane: No doubt in my mind that your RR book collection must be quite extensive. To be able to recall from memory the bits ‘n pieces of most book covers posted really tells the tale.
B&M material quite the read! Figured you'd pick up on that B&M ad from Cap'n Tom! Your recollections turned to words are a treat for the eyes!
Just to chime in regarding those in the rarified air: I used to have a friend who I'd avoid sailing with. He had several personalities. Ashore he was a different guy around his wife than when with the guys. Aboard ship a total tyrant. Amazed he didn't wind up overboard, for all he had to do was walk into a compartment ‘n you could sense the hostility in the air. Really not good in a "closed society" like that. Anyway, he wound up being 1st Mate last time I heard. At least he wasn't in the engine room! <phew>
For Allan
Greetings Tom and gentlemen,
An extra cold Guinness for me and a top up for the boys please. Purs some $ into the tip jar and jukebox....
Da Larsman, Totally slipped my mind...sorry about that. Oh well, better put on that hat again then....
Greetings Tom and all present,
May I have a top up for me and around the bar please?
First of all, I'd like to apologise for me wee sidestep again for the Cappucino. So, there's not even a chance for a Latte then? Well, just trying to fit I guess and still learning the do's and don'ts in this great please and it's awesome people. Just like puppy being house trained....give some time and I'll soon find the papers.
Da Larsman, was a Ranger in the Swedish Army 1988-89. Unfortunately they closed down the regiment after 350 years. As for the FFL officer that we had, he was a, well, ...
Should I for some reason drop away from this bar, I'll let you beforehand, so you don't think that left without a cheerio, Gods speed and all that. I work nightshift, so somedays I can sleep for a bit longer then usual. So, no worries about that.
As for the topic about topics. Am I trying to set a record? Not at all mate . I think that it's that I'm trying to take in too much in a short time you know. Like a kid in a candy store, I'm just running in circles not knowing where to go. Occasionally I run into the wall and change direction.
Don't really stray that far either, only MR and Classic Trains. Don't really care much for garden railroads or modern railroads. Railroads to me lost their charm after '76.
Great book covers and pics as always Lars.
Time for me to join the B-day list you say.... Ooh, I don't know . Sure no problem..
And everybody else, PLEASE do continue with all your excellent posts and superb pics. I thoroughly enjoy to read them and constantly envy you who live on the right side of the "railroad pond"..
Good afternoon Captain Tom and all present!!Ruth, good to see you! It doesn’t happen every day. You look kind of tired. Too much admin work? Really. No, I’ll just have a cup of coffee and a ham sandwich. I am on the run. I’ll be back later tonight with an inclusive post. Thought I should add some more pictures to the one from early this morning. They were all taken at the Swedish State Railways’ school in 1976. All parts belong to different electric locomotives and in order to become an engineer you better know what everything is, how it works and where it is located. Controller and contactors for a Class D.A mix of relays, contactors and other devices.Break time.Different kind of speedometers.
Eric
Good morning captain Toma and Gentlemen!!
Leon, just a cup of coffee. I am exhausted after my first day back to work. Thank you!
Back to normal, at least more or less. In other words, the doctor let me go back to work today. Tonight I am really tired so I am not going to stay here for long.
Tom – Where I grew up pancakes were for lunch or dinner, never breakfast and never ever with any kind of meat. The normal combination was Yellow Pea Soup and, after that bowl was empty, pancakes and strawberry jam (or lingonberries). Normally people had that on Thursdays! And they still do. Personally I have Pancakes and Blackberries, topped with whipped cream, every Monday and Wednesday! For lunch! Mmmmm!! Guess what I am going to have today?My quiz photo shows two traction motors, placed on a flat car, for a Class D electric. The rods connecting the drivers can be seen closer to the floor.
Class D.
Thanks for the Boston & Maine info!! I am learning quite a bit about this railroad today! I like that old fashion map, even though it is hard to read. Nice pictures of two of the locomotives!JanOlov – Wow, that is a good looking Smörgåsbord!! I am ready! Some nice Milwaukee Road pictures from yesteryear!! I have actually been to Madrid, IA, and I have to check what kind of pictures I have from that town! Thanks for the UP streamliner info! Those M-1000X were good looking trains indeed. PRR Duplex Drive T1 was i different looking steam locomotive, 6-4-4-6! Nice picture! It was too long for most of PRR’s turntables and was used between Chicago and Crestline, OH. It was taken out of service 1944 and scrapped 1949. CM3 – Thanks for the info on Key System! The 0-8-0 is a Swedish State Railways Class E from 1907. Low speed locomotive but quite a bit of traction. You are basically correct about the picture. It shows the two traction motors in a Class D electric (above) from the mid 1920’s. A very common type of electrics in Sweden. I operated them many, many times and they remained in service until 1988. Thank you for the Boston & Maine and North Station article!! Very well written and informative! I copied it for future reference! As I have said before, you should be an author! DL – The Titfield Thunderbolt! One of my favorite movies! Saw it on TV a number of times in the 50’s and 60’s! The last time I saw it was in the early 70’s! Short Sunderland! That is a good size seaplane! I saw it at a Museum outside London in the late 70's. Was it Hendon? I am not sure, have to check when I get a chance. A very nice museum. I have pictures of that Short Sunderland. Ron – Thanks for the PRR pictures! The one of the Horseshoe Curve looks so clean. I have that curve on a video from our tour with the X2000 in 1993. But it is impossible to get a good view from the train when it is moving through the curve. Lars – The admin work has piled up? Blaming it on the new time slot! I think you are letting Ruth work too hard with all that admin work. Like the paint scheme on B&M’s EMDs! Thanks for the book covers and pictures!
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Wednesday's Witticism
If you have a hill to climb, waitin' won't make it smaller.
It's mid-week in mid-continent USA once again! Seems like we did this just . . . <grin>
Time to fill up those coffee mugs, sample a pastry or two from The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast while you're at it!
Comments from the Proprietor:
Perkin' along at the Watering Hole by the Wayside - that's far better than the alternative, eh
Temps have been "up there" for the start of the month but "they" say the rains are on the way along with more comfortable days ‘n nights. Can't get here soon enough for me! <phew>
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)
Jan (JanOlov) at 7:59 AM Tuesday - Sep 4th: Now that's a treat for a Friday buffet, fer sure, fer sure! Nice work ‘n let's hope the guys take advantage of it!
Back in 1968 I had occasion to undergo some training with Canadian Marines at a U.S. Army base in New England. Long story - not really for here - but just wanted to chime in with the comments you made regarding Rangers, French Foreign Legion, etc. Those guys were quite the group ‘n the contingent I was with found ‘em to be great comrades in arms for the 2 weeks we were together. You'll have to enlighten us regarding your military background, as the "signals" are coming in from all quarters - Sweden - Scotland - the U.S. ???, what's the deal
Wouldn't have seen you on the MRR Thread, but did see you "in ‘n out" many times on our Forum. Just seemed rather odd . . . but choice is yours to take, eh
Milwaukee Road depots ‘n trains are "top drawer"!
Thanx for the visit ‘n "top up," along with quarters for Herr Wurlitzer (aka: juke box). Tip Jar??? Nope - we use a cigar box. <grin>
CM3 Shane at 9:54 AM Tuesday - Sep 4th: That B&M narrative is well worth the read ‘n it is my hope that the guys do that very thing - READ it!! As a recipient of an award of two from this joint - way back when - Silver Throttle Award w/cluster I believe - your ability to put into words that which resides in memory is without rival. Well done, Mate!
My recollections of North Station are varied ‘n from the era 1968-73. For half of that time I commuted "in" from Melrose on the B&Ms RDCs - which you already know. The other half was from the south (Dedham) which was mostly by cAH - which was an experience to say the least. <yikes> <screeeech> Took the train in from Hyde Park every now ‘n then, but never felt comfortable leaving the cAH in that area for the day. Anyway, I had a parking place right on the pier alongside the ship - so it was easier to drive all the way.
But I digress - North Station arrivals ‘n departures were sights to remember. I especially liked them during winter with the freshly fallen snow in particular captivating the landscape. Then of course things turned that grayish-white then before too long, just slop ‘n slush.
Never encountered any B&M personnel who would've been awarded the congeniality award! <geesh> A most unfriendly lot - must be the Genesis for those who work the motor vehicle registration offices throughout the land. <ugh>
Seems either I or someone else made reference to that "mystery" RDC foto sometime back - I think Billerica was the location "guessed." I found those RDC Pix a long time ago ‘n recall that they didn't give any background info - probably "snatched" from elsewhere. But, yeah - the other two are definitely North Station . . .
The Mikado is one of our MOST favorite G&S productions. Lord High Executioner lyrics ‘n song are the best . . . I've got you on my list!
Links have been viewed before - but always good as "refreshers"! Speaking of URLs - I spent lotsatime with that Pennsy link. Great stuff, fer sure, fer sure!
Appreciate the visit, chat, info, quarters ‘n round!
Dan (DL-UK) at 11:22 AM Tuesday - Sep 4th: Glad you picked up on the links I provided for the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum in Hamilton, Ontario. It was an enjoyable day for us ‘n especially liked the Lancaster bomber . . . fantastic flying machine fer sure, fer sure. Very poignant information regarding the recipient of the Victoria Cross - Andrew Mynarski (1944).
Once again for those who may have missed it, the URL below will take you to 3 sets of fotos at the CWH museum along with some fine narrative from Rob who provided elaborations on my fotos . . .
http://www.trains.com/trccs/forums/344/991587/ShowPost
Greetings Tom and fellow forum travellers,
An extra cold Guinness for me and a top up for the lads please. A few $ for Mr Wurlitzer and cigarbox as well....
Tom, have a few stories as well, but as you say this is not the place ....So, no coffee, hmmmm....what if I want a kaffekask then gentlemen?? I promise to try better to keep my yearnings for that black stuff under better control.
As for the credits and other things, I'll keep an eye for those wee c thingys etc...
Awesome Alaska Railroad stuff among your always excellent posts!
DD1, loved those PRR calendars! Hope to see more of them...
CM3, nice B&M read indeed !
Da Larsman, always great posts and those pics of book covers etc. always makes me add on a thing or two on to my "to buy" book list. It's getting rather long and $$$
EricX2000, I had nooo idea what those electric contraptions was no Sir... As for those Swedish locomotives, they're always a welcome sight
coalminer3, yesterdays post was
Hmmm.... I've got the feeling that I've forgotten something or someone. Better go back and check in a wee bit to make sure.
Have a great day fellas!
Here's something for our OPTIONAL Toy 'n Model Trains Day (formerly Pike Perspectives Day!) that was first Posted on Jan 11th, 2006 . . . Page 217 of the Original Thread!
Click for a larger version!
Enjoy!
Tom
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (New England Breakfast Blend today; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. The Towne Team keeps on keepin' on for which we are grateful. NFL (Lars - we really need help this year) opens on Thursday, and West Virginia travels to Marshall this weekend for the so-called "Coal Bowl." I hate "meaningless games" such as this because people you need later on in the season can get hurt. Gas is at $2.89/gal., and we won't even discuss food prices. (Snargh!)
DL - It would be hard to fit the Short Sunderland in the building, I guess, although the air and Space has a B-29 under cover at their facility outside Washington. Remind me, how about an aviation double feature such as "Battle of Britain," and "Spirit of St. Louis?" I saw the latter movie not too long ago and had forgotten what a good story it was. IIRC, there was a Three Stooges short where they were in the aircraft business - can't remember the title, though. The subway strike in London made the news over here. Cabbies in NY (s0me of them at any rate) are on strike today.
DD1 - Great calendar pictures. Pittsburgh as it was with no stadiums at the Point. Only thing is you can see the buildings - oh well, it is a painting. Crossroads of Commerce is one of my favorite Teller pictures. Thanks for including that one.
Jan - Thanks for the pictures and write up on "City" power. The shot of the T1 at BLW is an interesting one because it shows the locomotive with full skirting, covered pilot, etc. A lot of these features did not last too long as they proved to be a pain in the !@#$ for shop forces to work with. The color has certainly held up well in that shot, too.
Lars forwarded an interesting set of pictures, book covers, etc. The shot of B&M 3807 at North Station has a lot of history. The Central Artery (under construction in the background) is gone; replaced by the Money Pit (excuse me Artie, I meant to say Big Dig.) The State office building on the right still stands. There is an RPO/combine four cars back in the train, but look sharp and you'll see B&M American Flyer cars cut in ahead of the RPO. Both the New Haven and the B&M ran these cars in and out of Boston. Drop this shot in with my B&M post from yesterday. Look at all the neat books - check out the B&M electrics, too.
Eric - Neat school shots. The benches, etc. look like part of our electrical lab. I guess I did o.k. on the quiz?
OSP - Dedham? I resided there (in a typical Boston area triple decker) until I moved down here. We were on the first floor - I loved that house as there was enough room to have a good sized N scale layout. The old NYNH&H ROW was in our back "yard," and there was a tavern across the street which was a great place to watch "performance art" between the police and the locals. We were right over the line from W. Roxbury. Just saw your model logos - I have done my best over the years to keep more than few of them in business.
Work safe
Hi Tom and all in - just a quick beer for me today - I've been catching up so not much time for a post (a 'classic' trip report from KC trip with Pete - you show them how to do a trip report!).
Yep Tube workers on strike yesterday and I don't blame em - they have been messed about big time with this contractor collapse - I'll go into more details some other time but it is all down to govt interference - those people have been messed up and now stand to loose pension and wages rights for no good reason other than the money men messed up BIG time!
More importantly they did a London - Paris record train run yesterday with press and passengers on board - 2hrs 3 mins on the new high speed line. I'll dig a press link out in due course.
Short Sunderland is indeed at Hendon (and also at Duxford) - I'll find a link - I'd wanted to take my uncle there when he was here in June 06 but did not have time - now he is no longer with us - regrets - as Tom says best not to dwell on them.
Lancaster at Hamilton - yes a remarkable stroy of the VC winner - and of course that act would not have been known of had the rear gunner not lived to tell the story of the pilots act of heroism - he died thinking he'd failed to save his buddy whose chances must have been very slim to say the least - and no doubt did not even consider whether any one would or would not know. That's the thing with genuine heroes - they generally play it down. No doubt many other acts of heroism that no one ever saw came to pass (and probably still do).
Back in due course - my next story is about the behind the scenes tour of Toronto Union station - a real highlight of my trip!
Beginning to cloud over here in mid-continent USA as the forecasted rains are soon to arrive! <yay> Most need 'n welcome along with some dropping temps!
Good to see Jan 'n CM3 Shane thus far this day . . . I believe I've caught up on the Emails - if not "bug" me if I've failed to respond. <grin>
Time again for a Blast from the Past!
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #55
<A form of this was initially Posted on Page 212 of the Original Thread>
Here's something to enjoy regarding the The Pullman Company from a 1946 advertisement in my personal collection. 1 Pick the place you want to go and write for reservations. When you get word there's room for you, see your railroad ticket agent and . . . 2 Reserve Pullman space for a trouble-free trip that will get you there safely - in more comfort than you'll get going any other way! How to start on your vacation WITHOUT A WORRY IN THE WORLD 3 No worry about weather, roads or mountains in an all-steel Pullman car. Pullman's been the safest way of going places fast for more than 80 years! 4 No worry about privacy or sleep. Your air-conditioned Pullman space is all your own, with big, comfortable beds it's a joy to stretch out in! WHEN YOU GO ON YOUR VACATION
GO PULLMAN
THE SAFEST, MOST COMFORTABLE WAY OF GOING PLACES FAST!
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Pullman "Coconino" observation-lounge car on the Chief at La Junta, Colorado, February 27, 1938. Foto: Otto Perry (wikipedia.com)
Pullman drumhead <from: signsneversleep>
Enjoy! Tom
Ruth my deAH ‘tis the Larsman with a powerful thirst ‘n hunger - let's satisfy the first with a stein of Rheingold, and the latter <ahem> later! <blush>
Boris, I see remnants of that clown makeup beneath your eye (only one he has!) ‘n just a wee bit of cherry red on the tip of your nose. Perhaps something you may wish to continue wearing!
Feed the crittAHs my man, then the small jar of PPF is YOURS! And don't forget to take Artie outback for his field mouse delight! <ugh>
Great to see Eric swing by during daylight hours ‘n hope we can get a couple of Da Boyz to consider doing so in the late afternoons to early evenings. With Pete away, that's a rough time for me to fill in. Any takers, aside from Eric
Back to work for the Desert Swede! Such dedication and this from a guy who was counting down the days ‘til retirement. Figure that one, huh <grin> Yeah I know all about "stir crazy," I'm living it! <geesh>
A report from CM3 I'm NOT Shane! to brighten up the morning, especially the additional comments referring to my book covers!
Quiz maker Don't give up your day job!! <grin>
Also a visit from our man on scene in Scotland (Glasgow, isn't it??) Jan, if wishes were horses, or something like that . . . To own all of those books I've been providing covers for would result in my having to buy another house! Got two now ‘n don't want anymore! Yeah, it would be nice to have ‘em - but I'll leave that to guys like Shane. I couldn't to justice to the material inside - memory IS the 2nd thing to go! <uh oh>
Da Bossman hasn't let up on his quest to keep this place INTERESTING for those who appreciate CLASSIC TRAINS. Liked the model train manufacturer logos - "cool"! Also the Pullman ad with those two fine pix at the end "did it" for me! Maybe getting time for an "index" from you, Cap'n Tom, as the ‘special features' stuff you've put forth on this "reborn thread" surely has added up since New Year's day.
Dan's report of the situation over in Merry Olde brings to mind a few walkouts we've had here in Gotham. I've always had a bad feeling when workers walk off their jobs, especially when those immediately impacted have nothing to do with the grievance, but are stuck with no alternatives for whatever the situation. Yeah, I appreciate the situation for so many and it surely isn't right to be stuck between a rock ‘n hard place, but I'm on the side of the innocents amongst us.
Liked the way you put those comments regarding the aviators in the Lancaster bomber. WondAH aloud how many of the past few generations even have a CLUE regarding the sacrifices made to give us all what we've got ?????? <geesh>
Some fine Pennsy calendar pix from our man Ron way down in Mississippi!
Back to Jan - yeah Cappucino AND Latte is off limits. Haven't got the foggiest what that latest "attempt" is all about, but the answer is NO! Just plain Java served ‘round here - be thankful it's not Navy coffee! <grin> You know the kind - one extra sock every other day, just for flavor of course! <ugh>
So the Forums are to be "down" during the wee hours on Sunday. Yeah, kinda strange that their post was made amongst the "regular" contributions rather than in the space provided for stuff like that. Consistency ISN'T - but we've been there ‘n done THAT B4, huh <grimace>
Something for the boyz to enjoy!
Chicago Great Western 2-10-4 #854 freight - photo: Fred C. Stoes (yesteryeardepot.com)
Chicago Great Western 2-10-4, #851/frt - photo: Fred C. Stoes (yesteryeardepot.com)
CPR Selkirk locomotive No. 5915 (photog: unknown)
B&O 2-6-0 Loco #2444 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com) photo: Robert H. Kennedy)
B&O - 4-4-2 #1474 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com - Photo: Paul Eilenberger)
B&O - 4-6-4 #2 First Run, B&O "The Royal Blue" 1935 (from: www.yesterdepot.com - photog: unknown)
Greetings Tom and gang!
First of all an extra cold Guinness for me and a top up "around the table" please...
I must apologise first because this is just a short post, since I'm getting ready to leavy for my nightshift. Need to pick all the whiskies, rum, vodka etc. for the boys to deliver tomorrow in and around Glasgow and Scotland.... But, kaffekask is rather common in the nordic countries since the late 18th century.
The recipe is:
1. Put a silver coin in your cup and fill it with coffee until the coin is invisible.2. Pour vodka into the cup until the coin is clearly visible again.
And...
3. Enjoy!
Ahoy Cap'n Tom 'n fellow travelers at the bar!
Just a quickie for Jan over in Scotland:
You got me on that one - must've totally drawn a "blank" - chalk it off to being 2nd generation American . . . grandfathers came from the old country.
Sure, we can DO that - YOU provide the silver coins!
Karsk is a Norwegian name for coffee with added liquor, usually moonshine or vodka (some will consider moonshine exclusively to be appropriate as an added component, as it has no inherent taste like other liquors). In Norway, the term Karsk is predominantly used in the mid-region of the country (Trøndelag, roughly corresponding to the counties of Nord-Trøndelag and Sør-Trøndelag), while it may be referred to with other terms in other parts of the country. For instance, it may also be referred to as kaffedoktor ("Coffee doctor"); this is for instance a popular designation in the county of Hedmark. In Northern Norway it may also be referred to as rotar, though some would use these terms (kaffedoktor and rotar) exclusively about a variety where sugar is added with the coffee. In Sweden it is called kask or kaffekask. Alcohol content is a matter of personal taste, and can vary from 10 to 96%.In many rural areas of Norway it is common to sell half-full cups of coffee at festivals and concerts where people are expected to bring their own moonshine to mix with it.A common saying about karsk is that it is made it by placing a coin at the bottom of a cup, then pouring coffee until the coin can no longer be seen, and then adding moonshine until the coin is yet again visible. Some variations also include that moonshine is added until the coin dissolves. A common joke goes "You put a coin on the table. Then you drink moonshine until you can't see it, then you drink coffee until you can see it." (from: wikipedia.com)
Karsk is a Norwegian name for coffee with added liquor, usually moonshine or vodka (some will consider moonshine exclusively to be appropriate as an added component, as it has no inherent taste like other liquors). In Norway, the term Karsk is predominantly used in the mid-region of the country (Trøndelag, roughly corresponding to the counties of Nord-Trøndelag and Sør-Trøndelag), while it may be referred to with other terms in other parts of the country. For instance, it may also be referred to as kaffedoktor ("Coffee doctor"); this is for instance a popular designation in the county of Hedmark. In Northern Norway it may also be referred to as rotar, though some would use these terms (kaffedoktor and rotar) exclusively about a variety where sugar is added with the coffee. In Sweden it is called kask or kaffekask. Alcohol content is a matter of personal taste, and can vary from 10 to 96%.In many rural areas of Norway it is common to sell half-full cups of coffee at festivals and concerts where people are expected to bring their own moonshine to mix with it.A common saying about karsk is that it is made it by placing a coin at the bottom of a cup, then pouring coffee until the coin can no longer be seen, and then adding moonshine until the coin is yet again visible. Some variations also include that moonshine is added until the coin dissolves. A common joke goes "You put a coin on the table. Then you drink moonshine until you can't see it, then you drink coffee until you can see it."
Karsk is a Norwegian name for coffee with added liquor, usually moonshine or vodka (some will consider moonshine exclusively to be appropriate as an added component, as it has no inherent taste like other liquors). In Norway, the term Karsk is predominantly used in the mid-region of the country (Trøndelag, roughly corresponding to the counties of Nord-Trøndelag and Sør-Trøndelag), while it may be referred to with other terms in other parts of the country. For instance, it may also be referred to as kaffedoktor ("Coffee doctor"); this is for instance a popular designation in the county of Hedmark. In Northern Norway it may also be referred to as rotar, though some would use these terms (kaffedoktor and rotar) exclusively about a variety where sugar is added with the coffee. In Sweden it is called kask or kaffekask. Alcohol content is a matter of personal taste, and can vary from 10 to 96%.
In many rural areas of Norway it is common to sell half-full cups of coffee at festivals and concerts where people are expected to bring their own moonshine to mix with it.
A common saying about karsk is that it is made it by placing a coin at the bottom of a cup, then pouring coffee until the coin can no longer be seen, and then adding moonshine until the coin is yet again visible. Some variations also include that moonshine is added until the coin dissolves. A common joke goes "You put a coin on the table. Then you drink moonshine until you can't see it, then you drink coffee until you can see it."
Drinks on me, Boris ring the bell & Ruth, c'mere my lady, I want to whisper something in your ear . . .
Until the next time!
Lars
Good afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, plesae; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Temp. is right about 90 degrees now.
Boss has decreed that we shall go forth and do things tomorrow and Friday. I will try and stop by, but it won't be until the late afternoon.
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, still awake? What should I have? I know, something I haven't had for a long time, Steak & Bisquits!! With lots of extra marinade! Don't forget that!
Another day passed by. First I went to the rehab to get tired before I got to the office. I don't know why I have such a hard time to remember to take some pictures of my models for Wednesday? Alzheimer's?
Tom – Total eclipse of the sun? I must have missed that! Just had a few minutes to spare and some confusing pictures to show, that’s why I stopped by at the bar in the afternoon. My descriptions were added to make people more confused and I think I managed to do that. Back to work, my health is just fine according to myself and the doc. But to be honest, I am very tired when the afternoon is getting late. I am sure that will change in a week or so. Breakfast is fine any time of the day, but for me pancakes are always lunch! All well known model brands!!I have Bachmann, Märklin, Kato, Atlas, Athearn to name some of them. Just need the room to build my layout!Go Pullman! Just wish it was still possible to do that. I wonder if this C&NW sleeper is a Pullman? I spent a week in it, slept like a baby!
C&NW Lake Bluff a Pullman?JanOlov – Those old Class D is always nice to look at, but they were not the most comfortable ones to operate. One tough thing was to make coffee and then drink it while the locomotive was running. You had to learn certain tricks the hard way in order to do that. CM3 – Electrical lab? Now you made me curious! You did very well on the quiz!! A-!DL – I’ll try to find my picture(s) of that Sunderland this weekend! London - Paris in 2 hrs and 3 mins is pretty (very) fast! But who wants to go to Paris? Lars – Some very nice photos of those steamlocomotives! Such a common sight 60 years ago. B&O 4-6-2, #1474 looks different. It is a Class A-2, built 1903 by Schenectady. The last picture shows one of B&O’s few named locomotives, Lord Baltimore. 84” drivers made it fast but slippery. Built 1935.
Rainy day in mid-continent USA with temps "down" - awwwwwwwright!
Coffee, pastries 'n breakfasts are READY!
This from the top of the Forum's Page - under TOPICS:
The Web site will be down this Sunday, Sept. 9, 2007, from 2 a.m. to 7 a.m. We apologize for the inconvenience.Thanks,Angela Pusztai-PasternakEditorial AssociateClassic Trains Magazine
Note: I believe the time zone for this is USA Central DST, which should have minimal impact on "Our" Place! Sorry, Eric!! <grin>
Wonder why the notice wasn't put under "Announcements and FAQs"
For those who have brought it up - The Titfield Thunderbolt (British 1953) starring: Stanley Holloway, Naunton Wayne, John Gregson & Sidney James was shown at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre during the week of Sunday, February 5th thru 11th, 2006.
Who's he Heard from Per (marthastrainyard) by Email today 'n it seems he's been sidetracked with some personal 'n computer issues. However, he's expecting to be back with us soon. In case your wondering - Per is our Resident Texas Swede! And we look forward to his return!
CM3 Shane at 8:55 AM Wednesday - Sep 5th: FYI this recommendation was shown at the Emporium Theatre in 2006: . . . Sunday, August 27th thru September 2nd: Battle of Britain (1969) starring: Harry Andrews, Michael Caine & Trevor Howard.
Will put Spirit of St. Louis in the "hopper" for future release- thanx!
We lived off of Turtle Pond Parkway (remember that??) We were on the other end - adjacent to Hyde Park. There was a super-fine Italian Ristorante in Dedham - but the name is long gone from what is left of my mind. That was back in 1970-73ish . . . I recall that one had to step down to get into the place ‘n it was a comfortable setting for adults and/or family. Nice place fer sure, fer sure!
A fine inclusive ‘n informative Post from our WVA Connection! Yes - FOO-BALL isn't that far away - the "real" kind, that is - NFL! <grin> Never really got into college sports with ONE exception - ACC basketball back in the mid-70s when living in Tidewater (Chesapeake) Virginia. Fantastic!! Always kinda figured without a "dog in the hunt," it was just watching strangers . . . Anyway, the FALL is FOO-BALL time - winter is HOCKEY ‘n spring-summer belongs to BASEBALL. Everything else should simply fall into place somewhere ELSE! <grin> Ah yes, BASKETBALL, in the spirit of Red Auerbach, can span the seasons! <grin>
Round ‘n quarters appreciated!
Dan (DL-UK) at 10:33 AM Wednesday - Sep 5th: Kind remarks always appreciated - glad you found the Amtrak "misadventure" of interest! <grin>
Isn't it ALWAYS the case when the "bean counters" screw up, they don't lose any "beans" whereas the other way ‘round . . . . Most unfortunate that the workers have to take the issue to the "tubes" ‘n other forms of transportation - but if that's what it takes . . . good luck to ‘em!
Saw a few tears at the Canadian Warplane Heritage museum - mainly from the older folks; those who recalled the sacrifices made by loved ones during WWII. Witnessed much more on my visit to the dedication of the War Museum in Ottawa a year earlier. That was most heart rendering, indeed - still gives me pause to think about it.
Noted you mentioned the rail speed record between Paris ‘n London - I failed to do that in my AM summary! EuroStar, I believe, eh Didn't make much news ‘round these parts, but I caught it on the cable news (Fox ‘n CNN).
Glad you swung by, and not to worry - now that you're back in the "fold," it's your presence that counts (and buying habits!!)
Lars (LoveDomes at 2:00 PM ‘n 3:19 PM Wednesday - Sep 5th: A fine inclusive Post from our Manager capped off with six great looking steam locomotives - CLASSICS in the finest sense of the word!
I've been thinking about an Index, especially for the Fallen Flags ‘n Nostalgia pieces that I've put out. Also probably time for another Emporium Theatre movie compilat
Good morning Tom and all at the bar. Drinks or coffee, your choice. I've been hankering' for a Southern style breakfast this morning. Can you make me a chicken fried steak, smothered in country gravy, a mess of grits, two eggs SS up and a side of pan cakes with pure maple syrup. Strong black coffee also if you please. Here are two more calendars.
I was surprised by the response to Hank Williams and Jimmie Rodgers. I didn't think anyone really remembered two of the greatest country and blues singers of all time. As always, I enjoyed the pictures of the Swedish electrics, UK steamers and Alaskan diesels. Such a wealth of RR history here. I'm remiss in my individual acknowledgements due to personal problems at home. My dog is on her last legs and I have to decide what to do with her. I'm also trying to help my grown son with math. He is going to college under the GI bill, partially in class and over the internet. Collectively, we, as a family have a lot of problems, but we help each other out, as a family should. As they say; "no man is an island". Well, I'll try to get back to you later. Regards to all. P.S. My son took some RR pictures when he was in Alaska. Nothing too earth shattering, but I will pass them along.
Rather strange morning without CM3 Shane on board - but I see that Ron (DD1) has stopped by! Many thanx.
Also noted we didn't get that late afternoon-early evening help that our Manager has asked for . . . so the gaps between Posts widen as our "regulars" take their leave from the Watering Hole by the Wayside! <uh oh>
With all the talk of Eurostar these days, thought it more than appropriate to provide this piece from another time 'n place . . . it's been revamped on Wikipedia, so here we go!
<had formatting difficulties the first time, so here's another shot!>
Waving flag credits to: http://www.3dflags/
RAILWAYS of EUROPE #2 -
Eurostar - (London - Paris - Brussels)
<A form of this was initially Posted on Page 248 of the Original Thread>
Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds and map from other sources.
Eurostar
Eurostar at Vauxhall (GNU Free Documentation - wikipedia.com)
In each country a member company undertakes Eurostar operation:
Franchise(s):
Not subject to franchisingInternational joint operationservice began 1994
Main stations(s):
London Waterloo, Paris Gare du Nord, Brussels South
Other stations(s):
London St Pancras, Ebbsfleet Int., Stratford Int., Ashford Int., Calais-Fréthun, Lille-Europe, Marne-la-Vallée, Avignon Centre, Bourg-Saint-Maurice, Aime-la-Plagne, Moûtiers
Fleet size:
27 Class 373 sets
Stations:
11 (13 when CTRL is fully operational)
Parent company:
Eurostar (U.K.) Ltd.,SNCF, NMBS/SNCB
Web site:
http://www.eurostar.com/
Euros
Ruth my deAH ‘tis the Larsman ! I'll take a double hit of JD on the rocks ‘n slide the snack tray down my way, wudja please My, my - you sure are a sight for these old eyes!
Boris, time again to feed the crittAHs as I see ‘em lined up, waiting to be fed! You know the drill - so go ahead ‘n when finished, that small jar of PPF is for YOU!
Just a few comments on the posts since my last visit.
For Da Boss: You just keep on keeping on! The Eurostar piece is not only timely, but shows a lot of work to get it to "fit" in the formatting Kalmbach has dropped on us. I checked the wikipedia site and see what you had to do - or at least I THINK so! <grin> Nicely done, Cap'n Tom! 5- Salute to you for all you do to keep things interesting for us!
For Per: Hurry back! Thought you were a permanent member of the Legion of the Lost! Although I don't remember anything telling us you were going to be away, there's still a place for you at the bar. Had thought maybe you got flooded out down there in Texas, or maybe got that move to California accomplished. Anyway, you've been missed 'round here.
We've experienced a rash of guys who used to be dependable ‘n now are UTB's (used to be) - glad you aren't going to be one of those. Have one on me, mate!
For Eric: Da Boss is right - being tired after what you went through IS nature's way of telling you to take it EASY. Man you're difficult! <grin> BUT, we all want to keep you amongst those who dwell on top of the ground! Point made - game over!
For Ron: Show me a guy who SAYS he has a "perfect" family and I'll show you a FABRICATOR OF THE TRUTH! Well, at least MOST times. I've been around the world a few times ‘n there's no way that "problems" don't exist within families, and of course outside of ‘em. No set of parents is "perfect" anymore than the offspring of that union. We all go through these things, just that many choose not to reveal their realities. So be it - I'm in that category too. What happens inside our nucleus called a family is supposed to REMAIN there. Hope things iron out . . .
Pennsy calendar shots are great. Keep ‘em coming AND maybe you can find some New York Central pix as well!
For CM3 I'm NOT Shane! Thanks for the comments on my steam loco spate - especially the B&O. We've got some vintage B&O "stuff" packed away in the musty boxes in the now dry basement. Went through ‘em all when we had that awful flood and wall problem. Cleaned ‘em up best I could, wrapped ‘em too. Belonged to my father ‘n grandfather. One day . . .
Good to see ya over on Cap'n Tom's other thread! Just wish we could muster up a customer or two of this joint . . .
Tomorrow MAY be a difficult day for me, but I'll do my best to at least make an appearance, thereby keeping those long absences between posts from happening.
Really was a long one yesterday until Eric's after midnight post. I'm getting the "sense" that some of the "words" we've read about this guy and that guy coming back, and so on, is just that - WORDS. I'd rather read that a guy has had enough of this joint than to be bounced on a string the way some have been doing. That's just plain BS to me. So a guy returns after MONTHS of absence and we're supposed to do "back flips" Nah, not me. I'll give ‘em their due ‘n take it on a slow bell until there's evidence of SINCERITY in the form of participation. Sorry! <grin>
Time for some more steam locomotives! Glad some of you enjoy ‘em . . .
Great Northern 4- 4-0 #1 Wm. Crooks (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com - photo: Fred C. Stoes)
CP - 4-4-0 #144 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com - photo: Paul Eilenberger collection)
CP - 4-4-0 #136 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com - photo: Paul Eilenberger collection)
IC 2-8-2 #1784 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com)Photo: Paul Stringham
Just thought that I'd stop by a minute to buy everybody a top up and the usual cigar. My internet has been acting a bit funny today, seems to be working fine now, just when I'm about to get ready for work, lol! So, I'll have to wait until tomorrow to read the new posts. I hope that everybody is having a pleasant day, morning or night.
Well gents, drinks and cigars are served, enjoy! Fresh $ for cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer too...
Good Afternoon (Fooled, ya, Boris) Barkeep and all present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Yesterday, gas jumped from $2.89 to $3.00 - somebody sneezed somewhere, I guess. Hot as you know what today, so we get to play outside.
Eric - Lake Bluff is a gorgeous car - 8 DB - gotta be some room in there. Glad I passed the quiz. We do lots with electricity.
Lars - Good to hear from you. Over the years, I spent a fair amount of time around the B&O. Again, sotries for the rendezvous.
DD1 sent some more calendar pictures. "Progressive Power" is a good one. I understand the dog-related concerns as we lost part of the K9 Korps earlier this summer. Tough thing to deal with.
OSP sent a lot of material. The Battle of Britain, I felt might be a good one to run. If not, how about "Flyboys?" That one might be better as it was closer to Lindbergh's early years. ACC basketball was a bit different back then than it is now. The Eurostar offering was a good call in light of the new speed record.
Well, I'd better wrap this up - we have another fun day on tap for tomorrow.
G-day Tom and all present!
Well, Ruth, I'm glad to see your bright face on this sunny afternoon. I would like to have a coffee and a beef sandwich. Put all the "Good" stuff on it. Thanks, keep the change.
Tom, things are just going peachy here in the Northern part of the states. All is warm with severe thunderstorms on the way.. <yike> But, things are still on track.
That Alaskan railway looks like a winner to me. 5 ultra domes. What railroad did they come from? I know the GN, MILW, AT&SF all had full dome cars... And I know there was a couple more railroads out there that had them, but I can't recall. Thats a pretty nice train. What was your top speed in those endless mountains Thanks for the explanation. Good little piece on the B&M railroad. Always some neat material out there, especially those maps. Great maps. Also great pics. That F-unit is really nice. Thanks.
Also nice little article on Pullman. We have some Pullman cars at the Depot and they were some of the best at there hieght. Some great historical cars fer sure. Thanks. When I read your article on the European railroads I was quite surprised to see that the world record was 208 mph in 2003. And now the new record is 357.2 mph. That is truley amazing. There railroads are so much more advanced than ours, it's not even funny. It's great to see them doing so well with there railroads. Great read.
Jan- Some good pics of the Depots around the U.s on the Milw. that first Depot is probably one of my favorites. Infact Walthers, Model railroad company, just came out with a close replica of that Depot and I went ahead and reserved it. It is a wonderful looking building. The shed is going to take a 4 foot span and the Depot is 2.5 feet long. and absolutely amazing Depot. I also liked the piocture of the Minneapolis Depot. I am Happy that on still stands unlike the other. It is also a great looking Depot. Thanks for sharing. The F7 Hudsons were probably the most stylish of the Milwaukee road Streamlined Hiawatha locos. They were a great sight to behold as I was told. You wanted to make sure you were a few feet from the tracks. At 100+ MPH, they said it took your breath away. A truley amazing train. The old Milwaukee, there's not much left of it. Only a few branchlines and even a portion of the mainline in southern Minnesota is still in use, but outside of that, it's a long gone railroad. One that won't be forgotten though. The #264 is a Class S3 Northern that I saw mostly on frieght service. There were a couple that were assigned to passenger service such as the 261. Nice pics. Enjoyed them.
Good little article on the UPs M series Pullman train sets. They were some odd looking passenger trains. They are one of a kind. I wonder what it was like to ride a set like that. Thanks for sharing.
CM3- A good little story on the B&M. I liked your description of that Depot. It gives me the idea that this station was something like the station along the old WC mainline in Wisconsin. about 30 miles from Fond-Du-Lack, there is a small station that has been sitting since the time of the old Soo line and C&NW. it's a dark place and it's no longer used. It's a neat old Depot and the town ( I can't recall the name) is trying to get it restored. I hope they do. Thanks for the great read.
DL- The Duluth- Minneapolis commuter rail is scheduled to open in 2009, but with all of this work I think it's going to be more like 2010. They want the Museum to beable to handle commuter traffic. Which means a new roof on the Depot and all new floors. The Floor is made of brick and over time it has sunk and risen making it all uneven, so they plan on ripping up the 1.27 million bricks and placing a concrete floor down and then placing the original brick on top of that so it won't sink or rise again. This makes it a lot easier to walk on. The brick is so bad that people have a hard time walking on it. The shed extends about 2000 feet out and each of the six brick paths leading out to the edges of the platforms are all going to get this treatment. The Butterfly shed are all going to get replaced so that when it rains the people coming off the commuter trains won't get wet. Right now every foot of that shed leaks and in a rain storm, it's like a down pour inside. Right now for what I just talked about is going to cost about 1.5 million dollars.
Then comes the railroad leading up to the Depot. All of that needs to be replaced and new rails laid. Right now it's not bad, but they want these Commuters to fly right into the station, so that calls for some good quality rail. They also want to add a parking ramp so that people can park at the station and get on the train. A lot needs to be done in the amount of time given. We will have to see. I am really rooting for this.
Lars- Some more good covers from you. Always enjoy seeing those from you. Ah, and some great looking steam loco shots. But there's a problem here. Not one was Milwaukee Road?? Now what's up with that... any who, great photos. My favorite of the bunch is that IC 2-6-6-2. Would that be considered a Challenger, or is this a different Class enjoyed them.
Eric- I see some pretty good sized electrical components. Very cool. I'm not much of an electrician but I think if you put this here.. <ZAP>................. oh .... maybe not... I think I will leav
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