Good day Tom and all present. Drinks all around and a hair-of-the-dog for me please. Here is today's calendar:
I've placed my collection of recordings on CD, so I thought I would bring in some old vinyl and shellacs for the juke box. All have a railroad theme. Some, I'm sure you are familiar with, but some, maybe not, especially the younger members (those under 50).
Maybe some can add to this list of railroad inspired songs. Wouldn't it be neat if we could upload the sound?
I have been getting lots of railroad information from a contact in Chile and he sent me the following link. It's in Spanish, but there are some interesting pictures.
http://www.amigosdeltren.cl/ferrochile/caminando/trasandino/camina_trasandino_es.php
Tom and Eric: The information on the X2 high speed train was outstanding. Living down here in the boonies, doesn't give me much opportunity to check out the new trains on the scene. I assume you (Tom) saw the X2 when it visited your location?
James: Nice to hear from you and thanks for the drink. Make it a double Glen Livet. I too like the MR. I haven't seen much of it except when I was traveling along I-90 toward Seattle and Tacoma in 1964. I saw the bi polar's and other heavy electrics, which I am very partial to. Little Joe's are OK, but I like the older electrics. There's a story about a bi-polar having a tug-of-war with a 2-6-6-2 and a 2-8-0 and having no trouble pulling the two steamers backwards while they were in full ahead travel. Now that's some awesome power.
Eric: After looking at the picture of the class "E", I have to agree with Pete that it is an inside cylinder engine and could have Stephenson's valve gear, but can't tell for sure.
CM3: Thanks for the Pennsy link. I took a quick look, but found there is too much to absorb at one time. I will save it in my favorites file. Did you know about all the underground coal mine fires in the state of Pennsylvania. Some have been burning for more than 50 years. I heard of one burning in China for over 6000 years???? And another that was finally extinguished after about 140 years. Seems most fires are in China and India. It seems to me, that fire could be harnessed to generate steam to drive electric generators. BTW, I noted that the PRR didn't have any E-6's on their roster??? Could they have had a different designation for the 4-4-2 Atlantic? The LIRR used E-6's and I guessed they got them from the PRR?
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!
Yes Ruth, ‘tis the Larsman, back from "upstate" ‘n ready for refreshments ‘n to be refreshed! Ah, but the latter comes later . . . <blush> Now to the urgency at hand - a tall stein of Rheingold if you please, treats for the crittAHs ‘n the small jar of PPF for Boris, once he finishes feeding the gang! A round for the house - Boris ring the ding!
A long day's drive that pretty much took "it" outta me ‘n the Mrs. Hate the highways these days. Anyway, we're back in our abode on "the island" ‘n took yesterday "off." Just got things back in order, caught up on the bills ‘n domestic chores. Today the Mrs. has a visit with her mom, so I'm FREE!
Looks like my Mets wound up making the NL east a worthy cause for those in the hunt. And to think that not long ago, it appeared they would wrap it up before September. Ha - not to be. Well, what's September without some hot races for the division championships, eh We used to call ‘em Pennant Races, but that was then! Now the Pennant only comes into play after the playoff rounds are concluded. Tinker was a ballplayer, not something to do! <arrrrrrggggggghhhhhh>
Won't even try to address each ‘n every slice of material posted since my last, but I've gone thru ‘em and offer up these comments (in no particular order)!
For Ron: What's this about people in Mississippi being grossly overweight?!?! Since when did preparing food in grease (called deep frying I believe) become hazardous to one's waistline
That is indeed the Super Chief, Allie Reynolds, in the photo you put up. Da Boss hit it on the noggin! I think he was called Wahoo as nother nickname. Probably would be "offensive" in the PR world some live in these days.
Appears you've got quite a project going which makes me envious, for I have a shop in the basement that is the envy of my friends. I'm a machinist and love metal work. But, that was then . . .
For Pete: I see things were maintained in good order during my absence, so I suppose this means you'll be bugging me again about that bar tab! Nice try, no cigar!! <grin>
For YOU!
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/hagar.asp
By the way, should I not get back to you beforehand, have a great trip to the Left Coast and hope you get to see those museums we mentioned. The model RR building in San Diego's Balboa Park is a MUST as is the museum up in Sacramento. Gotta "do" both! Then there's the trip back by train. That, hopefully, will be a pleasure. Just kinda bite your tongue with the disappointments from Amtrak, for they will occur. Stay in the sightseer lounge car - drink some brew, and all will be well with the world! <grin>
Not sure about my time, but I'll do my best to fill in for you during the PM slot . . .
For Fergie: Great to see ya back at the bar ‘n hope we get to enjoy the pix from your model RR on Wednesdays! Have one on me, mate 'n enjoy the interaction in this fine establishment of ours!
For Eric: With that kinda heat you're having in the desert, why oh why would anyone want to exert themselves Why not just kick back, catch up on those "things" you've been putting off round the house ‘n before you know it, you'll be up ‘n runnin' once again.
Looks like the reptiles are in trouble, eh
For CM3 I'm NOT Shane! Some fine material these past few posts - really enjoyed the coal pier info, as I know Da Boss must have!
Revisionist historians should be weighted down ‘n tossed over board. But WAIT, that would contribute to further polluting the seas! ‘Nuf said, huh
All this talk of the PRR makes for some covers to display!
Ruth, it's time to attack that <ahem> admin business piling up . . . ready <grin>
Another round on me - Boris, ring it!
Until the next time!
Lars
G-day Tom and all present!!
Ruth- Make it an Oj with a roll. Thanks!Well, I'm back for the second time in a row, and it's not about to stop there. I am slowly going over all of the posts.... But it may take me awhile so be patient.
Yes, Tom, I know it's been awhile. But I plan on coming back better, with new train knowledge in mind..Especailly passenger trains.Btu believe me, I have been wanting to come back for the last 2 months. But time was a crunch and I couldn't spend time here. But everything is cool and things are much better. Good to know there are people who care here.
Eric- Thanks for the welcome back. Glad you liked the Depot. As one of my favorite Depots the railroad had, it holds a special place in history. It's amazing to see the Depot still stand after over a 100 years of use. It certainly has seen a lot of change over the last 50 years. Now the Depot is the only portion you can tell the railroad was there. I have seen pictures of it in use and it was a surprise to go and see how much has changed.
Jan- I am glad to be talking with you. As you may know the Milwaukee Road is my favorite railroad and I always enjoy talking about the trains, especially when it comes to passenger trains. And I will start with your two pics. The first pic has a steamer in there. The 141 was a Northern type locomotive. I never saw many of these locomotives in passenger service. Most of the time it was the hudsons and the Atlantics. But it's good to see something different.The second picture was very cool. The Fairbanks Morse Erie Built locomotive was the pride to the Olympian Hiawatha. Probably the most stylish of the diesel locomotives was the Olympian Eries.The Olympian Hiawatha ran from Chicago to Seattle and was even seen in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Some cool stuff indeed. Again, nice to meet you.
CM3- Yes sir, it's me. I am back for the Winter. (did I say winter) I hope to look over all of your fine posts here in the next couple of weeks.And now another small piece of railroad history.
The Olympian Hiawatha!
The Olympian and the successor Olympian Hiawatha was a named passenger train operated by the Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad (The Milwaukee Road) as train Nos. 15 and 16 from 1911 to 1961. Its route traversed the Milwaukee Road main line from Chicago, Illinois west to Seattle/Tacoma, Washington.
The streamlined Olympian Hiawatha replaced the Milwaukee's heavyweight Olympian train in 1947. The train was designed by industrial designer Brooks Stevens and included the destinctive glassed-in "Skytop" observation-sleeping cars. In 1952 the Milwaukee Road added full-length "Super Dome" cars to the train.
State-of-the-art Heavyweight Olympian
With the completion of the Milwaukee Road's "Puget Sound extension," a new 2300-mile mainline from South Dakota to Seattle and Tacoma in 1909 that made that railroad the last entry into the transcontinental trade, the Milwaukee ordered two state-of-the-art steel luxury train-sets for Chicago-Milwaukee-St. Paul-Seattle-Tacoma service on the line. Following a public contest the Milwaukee Road chose the name Olympian for the flagship train and Columbian for its slower running mate which traversed the same route. Both trains were inaugurated on May 28, 1911.
In 1916 the Milwaukee completed its initial 209 miles of electrification of rail line from Tacoma and Seattle and over the Cascades, a feat that was advertised to maximum advantage to passengers since it eliminated the soot normally associated with steam-powered rail travel prior to the era of air-conditioning. By 1920 electrification was also completed over 440 miles of the Milwaukee's Idaho and Montana mountain right-of way, making a combined 649 miles of direct-current electrification on the two segments of main line. The 440 miles of electrified line between Harlowton, Montana and Avery, Idaho was the longest continuous electrified rail line in the world. Besides being cleaner, electrification allowed the road to pull both freight and passenger loads faster, more reliably and more efficiently regardless of season.
In 1926 Milwaukee contracted with Pullman-Standard to replace the original Olympian with new train-sets and the train was was again completely re-equipped, the new trains making their first run on August 1, 1927. The plushly appointed steel equipment was painted orange and maroon and was among the first trains to be radio-equipped. Capitalizing on its soot-free electrification, open observation gondola cars were operated during the summer months. In an effort to increase ridership on the Olympian the Milwaukee Road also opened its first railroad-owned hotel near Yellowstone National Park, the Gallatin Gateway Inn. Gallatin Gateway was reached from a spur line that connected to the main line at Three Forks, Montana.
Both the Olympian and Columbian operated into 1930. However, as ridership fell during the onset of the great depression, the Columbian was dropped from the schedule and all transcontinental services consolidated into the Olympian.
More to co
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (New England Breakfast Blend), round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Gas is at $2.89 today, weather clear, track fast, although they are forecasting possible thunderstorms this p.m.
Pete stopped by. There is a KATY heritage unit (mostly red - Texas Special heritage, I guess). Thanks for the LNER information. Why, oh why, do they always put the interesting equipment either three deep in the consist or skin to skin with the fence?
James - Is that you, son?
Eric - Your fair city made the lead story on TWC this a.m. They always told me when stomping around the deserts of Nevada that the, "Heat's dry - it won't bother you." Right - that's why we keep hydrated. Thanks for the reminiscences. We are too far east so we saw nothing of the eclipse. February, 2008, IIRC, is the date for the next one which will be visible throughout the U.S. Good stuff to watch when you can see it.
Fergie - welcome back.
Jan sent MILW pictures. FM diesels in as-delivered color scheme. Nice touch, sir!
OSP - Encore on Swedish railroads is a good pick. I hear your comments loud and clear. I know, things will be different after the revolution. I did see an interesting bumper sticker while getting the vehicle refueled at ye olde local truck stop this a.m. It said, "Too Much Law; Not Enough Order." Revisionist historians? I'll save that rant for the rendezvous lest Boris drag me into the rat room. However, there is a book titled The Killing of History which came out a few years ago - you might be interested in browsing through it sometime. I know, Awk, we read a whole lot of stuff.
DD1 sent a nice calendar shot of a PRR coal pier. Here's a bit of PRR ad copy from 1950.
On the Pennsylvania - every Kind of Coal For Every Kind of Need!
The supply is plentiful and so are the facilities to handle it!
Along the Pennsylvania Railroad are America's most important coal deposits. The coal is here, unlimited in variety, waiting industry's call...high, medium, and low volatile bituminous, and anthracite - every type of coal for every purpose.
The reputation of the Pennsylvania as the country's No. 1 coal carrier stems from this almost inexhaustible supply on its lines; and from the constant expansion of facilities and services to answer the needs of coal producers and consumers alike.
For the record, PRR had coal dock along the Great Lakes and the Atlantic shore. Four of their lake facilities were on Lake Erie. Three were in Ohio: Sandusky, Cleveland, and Ashtabula. There was also a coal pier at Erie. They had a pier on Lake Ontario at Sodus Point, NY.
Coal docks on the Atlantic side were at South Amboy, NJ; Philadelphia (Greenwich), and Baltimore (Canton).
Awhile back we had a picture of Conway Yard. The following website has a ton on PRR documents; among the goodies is an advertising book about Conway produced by the P Company. There's also lots of other material. I apologize in advance because this site has items. Heads-up to OSP - there are several pieces about PRR trains operating into and out of St. Louis. This'll take care of your weekend - enjoy!
http://prr.railfan.net/documents/
work safe
Greetings Tom and fellow railroad worshipers.....
siberianmo, great stuff on SJ and the X2000 . As always and as everybody else a most informative and entertaining post.
The Fish n Chips is already in the making and will be ready to serve soon. I'm already working on tomorrows Pizza ‘n Steaks with fries.
pwolfe, always enjoy those british railroad posts, rather partial to LMS I have to say...
CMSTPP, great stuff! I hope to see more Milwaukee Road related posts from you young man!
EricX2000, I agree with you completely. The early electrics (and some later) had a sharm that you don't have today with these modern contraption.... I'll give the modern electrics a
And some more Milwaukee Road lovelies....
The Traveler, train 24 behind Hudson #141 chrges through the reverse curve at Florida Street on Milwaukee's south side.
Olympian Hiawatha behind what many consider to be Milwaukee Roads best looking diesels.
Good Morning All and a Word of Thanks
Just a word of thanks for prayers and well wishes provided. All is well now as I will start on the road once again. A bit lonelier and a bit empty for awhile but at least I have something to keep me going as the memories of and direction provided from Dad will be with me for years to come.
I'm also the benifactor of a large number of Dad's books on Railways and Ships so his legacy will continue.
Kindest Regards
Fergie
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959
If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
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PLEASE READ THESE MORNING ACKNOWLEDGMENTS!!
G'day Gents!
Awwwwwwright, Thursday has rolled ‘round which means the end of the work week <for many> is in sight!
Begin the day right here with a mugga Joe, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery ‘n a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board.
Comments from the Proprietor:
Even a day without the Larsman seems long, but two . . . <ugh>
Wonder when we'll see the return of Dan (DL) from his trip to Canada Should be heading back to Merry Olde by now, methinks. Having his return will perhaps take the "strain" off when Pete departs for his left coast adventure.
RR BOOK RELAY 2007 had the first mailing: Book is en route the Lars family hut!
West Coast S (Dave) alert: Observed logged in on Wednesday - but no appearance at the bar! [confused]
The way it "works" here is if one wants to be a "regular" at the bar, then you visit here FIRST before going elsewhere. No visit can be construed as no interest . . . sorry!
HELP WANTED! Hey guys, the ONLY success we've had at getting new customers ‘round here has been to seek ‘em out. So how about making an appearance now ‘n then over on "my other Thread"! Just drop off a foto and/or respond when new guys stop by - which is very, very rare. Thanx!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:13 AM Wednesday - Aug 29th: Yeah Labor Day is looming on the horizon - which means you "feds" will be scarce in these parts, eh Four day work weeks aren't the greatest, for some strange reason . . . always seemed longer to me "back in the day"! <grin>
Nice selection of songs from Herr Wurlitzer, keeps the critters "in the mood," as they are definitely "tuned in"!
IF my Aunt had whiskers, she'd be my Uncle, or something like that. Just imagine what the baseball lore would've turned out to be had the Babe remained in Beantown - had Joe D gone there ‘n Jim Lonborg not gone skiing on Christmas Eve of 1967.
When siberianmo rules the world, ALL passenger trains will carry drumheads, have domes, provide competent on board staff along with superb service AND be the envy of the transportation world with their on-time-performance! Hey, I can dream can't I
Liked the SP&S info - link is a "keeper" too!
Many thanx for the quarters, round, visit ‘n chat!
Ron (DD1) at 12:34 PM Wednesday - Aug 29th: Can't lay claim to a title never earned - nope, never crossed the Equator by ship. Have done so several times by air - but that's not the point, eh However, I can claim some other sea going titles - how about this one: Blue Nose - Crossing of the Arctic Circle (66-32 North latitude). Also known as "Northern Domain of the Polar Bear." How about Order of the Ditch - Transiting the Panama Canal. And Spanish Main - Cruising the Caribbean. But alas, Pollywog I are! <grin>
Yeah, Allie Reynolds was a native American from Oklahoma who was a fine pitcher "back in the day"! Also known as "Wahoo." He pitched two no-hitters for the Yanks:
7/12/1951: For NY (A) vs. CLE (A), 1-0 at NYY. 9 innings pitched.9/28/1951: For NY (A) vs. BOS (A), 8-0 at NYY. 9 innings pitched.
Nice calendar shot . . . Wonder what the "story" is behind the Pix
Appreciate the beer link - pretty impressive!
Thanx for the inclusive Post, round ‘n chat!
Pete (pwolfe) at 3:37 PM ‘n 4:29 PM We
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, Rumpsteak Café de Paris, please! I'll have fries and a cold Keith's!
A busy day here in Phoenix and some things happened at the bar as well! We had 113° today and the 29th day of 110° or warmer this year. That is a new record!
JanOlov – Very nice pictures of those electrics, E-50, E47, Little Joe’s and others! I agree with Ron, there is a raw power in an electric locomotive. You can temporarily take out much more power than what it is rated for, but you can’t do that with a diesel. Tom – I know, you are right, those drumheads would not work on an Amtrak train today. Sad but true. Very nice model pictures! I have a picture of a German Class 218, very similar to the Class 216. Took the picture in Hamburg- Altoona 1976. Class 216 had a less powerful diesel engine, 1,770 hp while 218 had a 2,457 hp engine, later increased to 2,762 hp. All locomotives were diesel-hydraulic.
Class 218.
The X2000 ranks as the sixth fastest train in the world. Not a high top speed, but a high average speed since the train doesn’t have to slow down very much for curves. X2000! What else could I ask for? Sorry to say, Wikipedia is not quite correct. It says that the trains were initially used sparingly to avoid breakdowns. Not true at all. They were used extensively from the day train set 2 was recieved. One main reason the Swedish State Railways (SJ) allowed Amtrak to lease a train set for one year was because the availability of each train set was 99.8% or higher. Amtrak leased the spare train set 1992-93. SJ then had 12 train sets in service.
I remember the first run in revenue service at September 4 1990. It is correct as it says that the train left Stockholm at 6.33 AM and arrived in Gothenburg at 10.07 AM. I was operating the train the second half of that run and no one told med that we were not allowed to arrive early to Gothenburg. We were supposed to be there just on time, not late and not early. I got the message when we were about five minutes from Gothenburg and we were 5 minutes early. It was kind of embarrasing to be forced to slow down the last few miles and move at a speed of about 20 mph. The streetcars passed the train! I was not a happy guy then. But at least we arrived exactly on time. The tilting eliminates about 70 % of the lateral acceleration. If it eliminates more a lot of people get sick. The remaining grade crossings are the main reason the X2000 doesn’t run faster than 200 km/h. For higher speeds no grade crossings are allowed. CM3 – Did you see the moon eclipse yesterday morning? Ron – I am afraid I don’t know what kind of valve gear the locomotive had who was running on those wheels. I know it was a Class E, built 1907-1917. See picture below.Class E, 1907.
Pete – I agree, UP should have used E9s to pull the train with those nice looking cars! Yes, those driving wheels are from a Class E, see picture above. Thanks for part 4 of Named Locomotives of the Big 4!I am glad that Mr. Alan Peglar saved the Flying Scotsman! So BR just dumped the rest of them? I am afraid I got lost, what class is locomotive 60009 (on the lower picture)?James – Big suprise to see you again! Welcome back! Thanks for the info on the Milwaukee Road Depot! Too sad it isn’t used for what is was built for nowaday.
Eric
Leon- set me up with something special. Whatever you like to make... and a coffee along with that. Thanks my fine fellow. And keep the change. Also I feel the guys need a round. I have been gone for awhile and feel I have a debt to repay. So anything on me guys.
Now I hope you haven't put me on the list of those who have not returned. Because I am back and I am ready for another great winter of trains!!! (did I say winter?) I only have a few more days of work and then the bids change and I should be on a much easier job than what I was on.... (yike) But boy, does it feel good to be back after all of this time not being here..
So, Tom, I see you are still keeping this place going. And it has lasted to over page 100. Now I thought I heard something about this not being around for another year... well, since I am back I think it might just have to stay.
I see we also have some new people... Now I don't remember if I have met DD1.. But If I haven't, Hello! And Jan, who seems to have a thing for the Milwaukee road..... That doesn't sound like my thing at all. (grin) The Milwaukee Road is my all time favorite. A railroad that lives on in modeling, especially for me. Nice to meet you.
I see Pete and Eric are still on track. Nice to see you guys. I will be looking over the pages I missed here this next week and will be checking out your pieces fer sure, fer sure!
Lars is still hanging in there with his great posts. I'm glad to see everyone having fun. Lars, as mentioned I will be going over the posts so I certainly won't forget you. Some great stuff to be looking forward too.
I saw Dave was on also this past week when my friend logged in. I will have to get to his posts and give them a look. Nothing can go missed.
Before leaving, I have a little something to drop off.
The Milwaukee Road Depot, Downtown Minneapolis, MN
The Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Depot Freight House and Train Shed (commonly referred to as the Milwaukee Road Depot), now officially named The Depot, is a historic railroad depot in downtown Minneapolis, Minnesota. The Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad had a long history in the Minneapolis area, beginning in 1865 when a predecessor railroad, the Minnesota Central, built a line from Mendota to Minneapolis. The Minnesota Central also built a line from Mendota to St. Paul in that early era. Eventually, rail lines connected Minneapolis and St. Paul with Milwaukee, Wisconsin via Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin.
The freight house and the first depot were built in 1879 with an Italianate architectural style. The first depot was razed after a new facility, with Renaissance Revival architecture, was built in 1899. Originally, the facility's most distinguishing feature, the clock tower, was pinnacled and modeled after the Giralda in Seville, Spain; high winds destroyed the pinnacle in 1941 and the tower has since had a flat top.
The freight house served a large percentage of less-than-carload freight arriving and departing from the Minneapolis area. Passenger traffic was also significant. In 1916, 15 passenger trains per day used the depot, including the flagship Hiawatha. Rail yard facilities just south of downtown, on Hiawatha Avenue north of Lake Street, serviced the trains. By 1920, the peak of activity, 29 trains per day used the depot.
As passenger rail traffic decreased across the nation and freight facilities were consolidated elsewhere, the Minneapolis depot steadily lost traffic. The depot was closed in 1971 and stood vacant for many years as various redevelopment and reuse plans fizzled. In 1978, the depot and freight house were placed on the National Register of Historic Places. In 1998, CSM Corporation began a project to reuse the depot, including a Renaissance Hotel and Residence Inn by Marriott hotels, an indoor water park, and an enclosed outdoor ice skating rink located in the former trainshed. The project was completed in 2001.
The Milwaukee Depot as seen from Washington street, Downtown Minneapolis, MN.
Hi Tom and all.
Back again Ruth so another Bathams please.
NAMED LOCOMOTIVES OF THE BIG 4. Part 4
LONDON & NORTH EASTERN RAILWAY (LNER)
A4 Mallard at the NRM York
The LNER, to my mind had the most varied and some of the best names on British Railways.
Of the 5 largest companies that formed the LNER,three,the Great Northern, North Eastern and Great Eastern Railways did not, as a rule, named their engines, whereas the Great Central and the North British did.
I will use the BR number for the locos, as the LNER numbering/re-numbering, would give even Einstein a hard time figuring it out.
THE PACIFICS.
The A4s Silver Link was the first of the class, which have been called Sir Nigel Gresley's masterpiece. This loco went sent into service working the Silver Jubilee from London to Newcastle in 1935. There were 3 other A4s with the ‘silver' theme. The class also carried names of 4 Commonwealth countries including the preserved ‘Dominion of Canada'. The majority of the rest of the class was named after British wild birds, including the world steam speed record holder ‘Mallard'. Although the 100th Gresley pacific built carried the name of the designer. Later some of the A4s were re-named for officials of the LNER and Eastern Region, another A4 to receive a new name was Dwight D. Eisenhower, this engine is now preserved in Green Bay WIS.
The A3s. The first loco was named Great Northern; the second was the famous Flying Scotsman. The rest of the class, apart from a few exceptions, were named after successful flat racing ‘classic', e.g. Derby, St Ledger etc, racehorses. One A3 was named for the 100th year of Donacaster Works where the locos were built, but it was not 60048 Doncaster, which was a horse, but 60056 Centenary.
Out of a class of 78 locos only one is saved, and but for Mr. Alan Peglar, who bought the loco from BR, the most famous of all British locomotives Flying Scotsman, could well have gone to the scrapheap.
P2. A2/2 These were the original Gresley 2-8-2s, as Allan mentioned, which were converted by E. Thompson into Pacifics, they kept their original names, all with a Scottish theme, like Mon's Meg (anyone know what the name commemorates) and Wolf Of Badenoch.
The A2s proper were named after more successful racehorses, including Bachelor's Button and the preserved Blue Peter.
The A1s had 6'8"driving wheels as compared to the 6'2" of the A2s. These locos had a mixed bag of names some ‘bird' names and some characters from the novels of Sir Walter Scott. No 60143 was named after the great author. No A1s were preserved but volunteers, the money mainly raised by railfans, are building a brand new A1. The loco will have the next number in the A1 series 60163 and is to be named Tornado. It is hoped it will be finished late this year or early next.
2-6-2s
The LNER introduced a fast freight service between London and Edinburgh the name given to this service was Green Arrow and the first of a new class of V2s introduced in 1936 was given this name. Only 6 other V2s out of a class of 184 locos were named. I guess to make up for the lack of other engines being named, one V2, No 60835, had a name of no less than 58 letters it was (Deep breath) The Green Howard, Alexandra, Princess of Wales's Own Yorkshire Regiment. In 1955 the loco was shedded at Heaton in Newcastle on Tyne and I bet the cleaners just loved polishing that name plate.
The V2s came known as "The Engines that won the War" due to the heavy trains (by British standards) they hauled in WWII.
Green Arrow is preserved and impressed the ex LMS crews when it was returned to the main line in the 1970s especially on the Settle & Carlisle line.
Another 2-6-2 to be named was Gresley'sV4 No 61700 Bantam **** there was just two in the class and it was rumored that Bantam Hen plates were cast for the second loco but I don't believe they were fitted, if they were indeed cast.
4-6-0s
Some of Thompson's successful mixed traffic class of 409 locos, the B1s, were named after, mainly Scottish, railway officials although the first 40 of the class were named after, well can you guess, from these examples, Puku, Sassaby, and Madoqua. (Didn't the spell-checker love those!) Answer at the end.
Gresley introduced some 3-cylinder 4-6-0s the B17s or ‘Sandringhams' the first engines were named after stately homes in the LNER area with the latter engines of the class being named after football (soccer) clubs. These were most attractive nameplates with a brass football above the name and the lower half of the plate was in the team's colours. They are highly collectable today. I believe after the locos ended service one nameplate off the locos was given to the clubs named.
2-6-0s
A small class of 6 locos built for the West Highland line, the K4s, were given names linked to the area, one 61994 The Great Marquess has been preserved.
4-4-0s
For use on lines with a lighter loading gauge, Gresley introduced the D49s they were named after Counties and after Fox Hunts.
Just getting into LNER days was a development of the Great Central Director class D11 which were built for the Scottish loading gauge, these locos carried on from an earlier North British design of 4-4-0s and had names from the Scott novels, to me they are some wonderful names, like Wizard Of The Moor, Laird of Balmawhapple, The Lady Of The Lake, Bailie MacWheeble and Luckie Mucklebackit.
These locos did not have a nameplate; the name was painted on as in N.B. tradition.
Unfortunately the LNER engines have not fared well as regards preservation compared to the other big four engines. One main reason being that only one ex LNER engine made it to the famed Barry Scrapyard that was B1 No 61264, now running main line tours.
The answer to the B1 question was that they were named after antelopes. No doubt they officials were hoping that they would be known as 'Antelopes', or after the first B1, No 61000 Springbok but the engine crews took the cue from 61005 and the class was known as ‘Bongo's'. One of the named B1s has a U.S. connection, 61379 was named Mayflower, sadly this engine was not saved, but the name is carried on the other B1 to be Preserved 61306, which was the last B1 in service, it is in LNER apple green livery.
From what I believe is the longest name on the Big Four with that V2 name the LNER also had the shortest with B1 61018 'Gnu'.
A4 Union of South Africa at Bridgnorth Severn Valley Railway.
Enjoy.
Pete.
A pint of Bathams please RUTH.
ALLAN Thanks for the round. I will post the name locos of the LNER later today.
I bet traveling on the Tees-Tyne Pullman must have been a wonderful experience, I guess it must have been those older Pullmans that were so elegant. I suppose an A4 or a Peppercorn A1 hauled the train, oh for a time machine. The line through my hometown, Rugby, did not have Pullmans until the line was electrified in the mid 1960s when we had the Manchester and Liverpool Pullmans.
It is 40 years ago on September 9th 1967 that the last BR steam ran in the North East of England. For the last trip up the Silksworth branch J27 No 65894 ran with a large Blue Star, as seen on the Newcastle Brown bottles, on the smokebox. Steam Railway magazine has replicated the star on the happily preserved 65894 for the cover of its current issue, which has some articles on the end of steam in the North East, including an article about preserving part of Robert Stephenson's South Street locomotive works in Newcastle.
Are you able to get many railway magazines in New Zealand.
When I was old enough to legally drink Newcastle Brown Ale was hard to get in Rugby, the was a local Rugby Football club that sold it in the clubhouse, as you say, it was a very distinctive ale, it certainly let you know if you had too much of it. I see it is on sale in my local Irish pub here in mid Missouri I will have to have a bottle to celebrate the end of North East steam.
ERIC Thanks for the link to the UP cars in my photos, there is a lot of information. It is good of UP to post the details of the cars. I would have been great if the preserved DD40X if not the E-9 units had hauled the train.
Good photo. Is it the driving wheels of an inside-cylinder 0-8-0 locomotive
JAN Thanks for the round, and those great Milwaukee electrics, the lighting in the last photo is wonderful, and you can almost feel those locomotives as they reach the top of the 2% grade.
CM3 Looking forward to the ‘Rawhide' stories at the rendezvous.
It should be a good fold out in the next Trains showing all the UP heritage diesels.
I would certainly add some color to the railroads if the other class 1s would follow UP's lead. I guess BNSF could have some colorful locos from the lines that have formed BNSF.
Thanks for the info and link to the SP&S locomotives. There as been lot of research in the section on SP&S diesel paint schemes.
DD1 Many thanks for another great calendar picture.
Canadian bacon is the nearest I have had here to English bacon, although it not very often I see Canadian bacon around here.
That is a great list of the breweries in that link. I had a bit of a shock when I looked the UK and there was only 2 listed until I found the ones under England.
TOM It was great to talk to you again today.
Thanks for the link to the Canadian Museum, unless I am reading it wrong, what that woman historian is saying as made me very. Glad the sign is being changed.
The UP diesel in Heritage livery is the only one of the six I have seen. I believe there is one in KATY colors, which I hoped might work regularly through here. I guess the locos work fairly close to lines they are painted in, but I might be wrong and they work all over the UP system.
Many thanks for the models encore from BK; as you say he is very much missed at the bar. They are great models of some stylish locomotives and the colors on the 216 loco seem to really suit the loco. The CFL class 3600 has a touch of the Pennsy colors about her.
Great post on the Swedish Railways, featuring the X2000
Somewhat of a quiet day thus far with only CM3 Shane 'n Ron to keep us awake! <grin>
Swtiching subjects: At a time we had THREE Swedes on board - Eric (EricX2000) - Per (marthastrainyard) 'n Jan (JanOlov) . . . sad to say we've lost track of Per . . .
HOWEVER, here's a BLAST from the PAST for all, especially our guys from that wonderful part of the world called Sweden!
RAILWAYS of EUROPE #6 - X2000 of Sweden Swedish Railways, Statens Järnvägar (SJ)
<A form of this was initially Posted on Page 322 of the Original Thread>
Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources. X2000 X 2000 is the brand name of Sweden's tilting 200 km/h high-speed train class X2, which is operated by SJ. It was launched in 1990 as a first-class only train with a meal included in the ticket price, and free use of the train's fax machine. It was then the only train in Sweden to have airconditioning and audio sockets. There is a bistro on board that serves snack bar-style dishes. The trains were initially used sparingly to avoid breakdowns. Starting 1995, the trains were used more intensively and second class was introduced. X2000 train used by SJ AB of Sweden (Wikimedia Commons) Though the top speed of 200 km/h is unremarkable internationally, X 2000 deserves the reputation as a high-speed train since it cut journey times by about a quarter, enough to be competitive with airlines on many major routes. It typically averages about 150 km/h. In 2000-2004, seven trains were operated by Linx on the lines Oslo-Göteborg-Malmö-København and Oslo-Stockholm. Linx was a joint venture between SJ and its Norwegian counterpart NSB. It was wound up when SJ wanted to move the trains to more profitable lines in Sweden. Low-fares airlines also played a part in siphoning off passengers from the comparatively slow Linx services, the main ones taking well in excess of three hours. All trains are being equipped with w-lan wireless internet and repainted grey as of 2005. Trains are also being fitted with repeaters to improve mobile phone reception. Impact on the Railway The train has had a major impact on SJ and the country's railway. More passengers, together with the lower operating costs associated with operating trains faster and more efficiently, helped SJ become profitable. It also proved that rail is a viable solution not just in exotic foreign countries, but also at home in Sweden. In 1991, the government started a massive investment program, spending 5-10 billion crowns annually on improvements to the rail network. The program continues today and is being accelerated. A milestone was reached in the late nineties when the number of trips taken by train in Sweden exceeded the 1940s level for the first time. New links built since 1990 include the Øresund bridge, the Arlanda Airport link, and the 80 km long Svealand line (Stockholm)-Södertälje-Eskilstuna. The X 2000 train undoubtedly contributed to building public support for these large projects. X 2000 Routes The X 2000 network radiates out from Stockholm, with the exception of the Göteborg-Malmö route. The other endpoints of the network are:
SJ AB Type: Goverment enterprise Founded: 2001 (1856) Location: Sweden Website: www.sj.se SJ AB (Swedish Railways, Statens Järnvägar, commonly known as SJ) is a Swedish government owned public transport on railway operator. SJ was created in 2001, out of the public transport division of Statens Järnvägar, literally the Swedish "State Railways", when the former Government agency was divided into six separate government owned limited companies. SJ operates a number of different train systems such as the high speed train X2000 and Regina, although most of the trains are still drawn by the 1960s RC-locomotive to serve its customers. X2000 train (GNU Free Documentation) One of SJs' regional double deckers (Wikimedia Commons) Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources. ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** Additional information from other sources: Th
Good day Tom and all in attendance. Drinks for all and because it's still breakfast time around here, Guinness for me. More calendar art from 1957:
Tom: Allie Reynolds the Super Chief? What an appropiate name for a railroad forum. Those models from Trix and Brawa are beautiful. If I was into collecting (no money), I would have all the models available. Marklin has some nice ones also.
Bieber is close to where I used to live in Burney, Ca, 15 years ago. I believe there was a connection with the McCloud River RR at one time, but no longer.
I am a contributor to the "overweight" image of Mississippi sorry to say.
I assume you are also a loyal shellback. I became one when crossing the equator at the 180° meridian while aboard the U.S.S. Midway way back. It was the first crossing for the Captain and had his head shaved, from front to back. He wasn't too happy about that. I looked for my certificate, but couldn't find it.
Pete: Would you say the bacon in England is similar to Canadian bacon?
Allan: Yes I found the NZ site. Thanks. I notice you refer to "Pullman" cars on British rails. Is that the same Pullman Car Division of the U.S? or is it a generic term.
Eric: An interesting pic of those loco drivers. Would they be from an older engine with Stephenson valve gear?
Jan: I like those MR electrics. Not so much the Little Joes, Too modern for me. Those pictures must have been taken late before their demise as the color scheme has changed from a picture taken in 1947.
BTW, If anyone is interested in beer, check out the following link. It's unbelievable how many breweries there are in the U.S. and in the rest of the world. Interestingly, The Philippines has only one brewery.
http://www.beerdetails.com/brewery.asp?brewery=Altoona%20Brewing%20Co.
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Hank Williams is always a good choice. How about, "Move It on Over?" As long as we're doing train stuff, let's do some Merle Haggard, too - Awk, find "Miner's Silver Ghost" on the jukebox - thank you. Also, punch up Mr. Monroe's renditions of "On the Gold Rush," and "Footprints in the Snow," we'll close the set with his versions of "Hiding Place," and "Rawhide." Yes, Boris, I did see him and Ralph Stanley and the Clinch Mountain Boys on the same stage - Mr. Bill brought down the house with "Rawhide." Oh yeah, more rendezvous stories.
Interesting morning today as at 6:00 a.m. (K9 Korps turnout time) we had a full moon in the west, sun coming up, and heavy fog which was about as high as the treetops - IOW, it's August in the coalfields. What's that, Boris, Labor Day this weekend? Well, that means it's time to start getting the punchbowl patched up for the upcoming season. Also, we've got to start thinking about train shows, etc. which is always a good thing.
DD1 paid us a visit. Teller pictures are always a good choice. I have several of his prints. Leslie Ragan was the painter for the NYC. Allie Reynolds, as OSP mentioned, is probably the other player with The Yankee Clipper.
For those of you who don't recall, the Red Sox and Yankees GM were both in their cups one evening and agreed to a 1:1 swap of Teddy Ballgame for Joe D. It never came off, of course, but one can only imagine as both of them IMHO, played in the wrong home park for their hitting style. Joe's brother, Dom, of course played CF for the Red Sox for years - he was a good ‘un.
Jan - The shot of the Joes on the grade is great - wish I could have been there to see it.
Pete - Thanks for the Ian Allen information. The MP Heritage unit is not bad, but the two best that UP did, I think, were the SP and D&RGW locomotives. As I mentioned before, I'd like to see CSX do a set of those. The idea of a big GE in black and gold WM colors with a fireball herald....
Allan stopped by - Good to hear from you.
Eric also visited - keep on keeping on.
OSP - Sides to an argument? There's just one - mine (LOL). The Lake Shore (Boston section) and the Merchants Limited both had tail sings in the early Amtrak days. I think the last obs I saw with a tail sign and round end was when a ‘Silver Meteor" obs came through Nashville one night on the South Wind. Now, if I can just find THAT slide. No, wait a minute, 50 and 51 frequently carry private cars, one of which is often an old NYC "Brook" car which has been r/b. I do know where those pictures are. Saw the encore post that BK sent awhile ago - know what you mean, chief.
We have covered GN, NP and SP&S lately which is good because SP&S handled GN and NP trains, so here is some more Spokane, Portland and Seattle information.
SP&S "big" steam was follows
SP&S 700-702 (4-8-4) BLW - 1938
SP&S 900-905 (4-6-6-4) Schenectady - 1937
910-911 ($-6-6-4) Schenectady - 1944
SP&S 2507 (4-8-2) Originally GN, BLW - 1923
The SP&S diesel fleet was mostly Alco although they had a sprinkling of EMD power and a bit of Baldwin. Models were as follows:
Baldwin: VO1000
EMD: SW9, NW2, GP9, E7a, F3a, F7a.
ALCO: S1, S2, RS1, RS2, RS3, FA1, FB1, FA2, FB2, C415, C424, C425.
This website has detailed roster info, pictures, painting guides, etc.
http://spsry.railfan.net/home.html
Work safe
Wednesday's 'round here have been OPTIONAL Toy 'n Model Trains Day! for quite awhile. We used to call it Pike Perspective's Day - but found that most of us do not have pikes, so the name was changed. But the idea remains the same, let's share some narrative 'n fotos of our RR hobby interests.
Here's some fine "stuff" from BK (BudKarr) that was provided over on the Original Thread from Page 321 . . . It's a May 3rd, 2006 offering from a guy who we miss very much 'n can only wonder how things evolved with Lydia and her illness. <sad>
As this may be my final "Pike Perspective Day," or "Toy & Model Trains Day!" (the latter name seems more appropriate to the submissions of late) postings for awhile, I thought to continue with my Euro flavor of two weeks ago: Trix SNCF BB 426000 ELECT LOCO QUOTE: Prototype: French State Railways (SNCF) class 426000 dual system locomotive. "SYBIC" dual system locomotive. B-B wheel arrangement. Assigned to the freight service area (FRET).from: Trix Trix CFL CL 3600 ELECT LOCO QUOTE: Prototype: Luxembourg State Railways (CFL) class 3600. In Bordeaux red as the prototype looked in Era IV. Design similar to the French BB 12 000.from: Trix Brawa Rail Car BR 465 (1950s-70s) QUOTE: At the end of the 1950s, the electric power cars of the ET 65 series had become worn out through hard daily use. The acquisition of a replacement vehicle was out of the question for various reasons. Thus the DB decided to completely refurbi***he vehicles. All 23 power cars still in existence were therefore taken to the Stuttgart-Bad Cannstatt depot and completely reworked between 1961 and 1963. The complete renovation of the front part was the most obvious. The previous connecting doors were removed, the smooth surface front was equipped with 2 large rubber-mounted windows. At the other end, rubber beadings were attached to panels in order to give weather protection when moving from car to car. The operator stands were completely modernised, an inductive train protection system was the safety standard at that time. The passenger comfort was significantly increased by new lighting and padded seats. In the modernised form, the ET 65 or from 1968 465 power car was in reliable daily service until its replacement by the S-Bahn in 1977.from: Brawa Brawa Diesel Locomotive BR 216 (1970s-80s) QUOTE: In 1975 the new colour scheme (often referred to as "turquoise/beige") was officially introduced for locomotives and carriages. The Bundesbahn symbol, the DB "biscuit" was originally sea-blue in colour. A number of locomotives of the 216 series were also painted in these colours which were typical of epoch 4 up to 1987. But even after that, many vehicles remained in service with the former colour scheme. And many of these also received the new eye-catching red DB symbol over the existing paintwork.from: Brawa Brawa Diesel Locomotive BR 232 QUOTE: The DB group has changed its "appearance" once again. The well-known DB logo will be extended in future according to whether the loco is owned by "Mobility", "Networks" or "Logistics". Since Railion counts as part of DB Logistics, the logos on Railion locomotives will also be changed. The new version is the simple logo "Railion" without the well-known box, supplemented by "DB Logistics". One of the first locomotives affected by this is the 232 675-9.from: Brawa Trix METRONOME 146.1 TRAIN SET QUOTE: "Swinging in Time" - "Metronome" is the brand name for ten new bi-level trains operated by the Metronome Railroad Company Ltd. in Uelzen, Germany. These very modern locomotives and cars can be recognized from a distance by their striking, sophisticated design in the colors of yellow, white, and blue. Metronome has linked the cities of Hamburg and Bremen as well as Hamburg and Uelzen since December of 2003 as a regional express train railroad. The train name Metronome symbolizes together with the logo of a swinging pendulum the schedule concept of departures on an hourly schedule. Musicians are familiar with a metronome as a beat generator. For that reason the slogan for the Metronome trains is "Swinging in Time".from: Trix Note: As has been past practice, Lydia has helped immensely with these model train retrievals. My guess is she thinks I am learning something! <wink> Enjoyed the posting by my "bookend" on the "Lionel Diesels!" Good health and ha Happy Railroading! Siberianmo siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:33 AM <courtesy: www.viarail.ca>PLEASE READ THESE MORNING ACKNOWLEDGMENTS!!Wednesday's WitticismThere are two sides to any man's argument. His and the wrong one.G'day Gents! Mid-week in mid-continent in mid-USA ‘n time for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery ‘n of course some freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee! And for those with a memory, here's a link to a subject that drew some interest several months back:http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/08/28/war-panel.html Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)Jan (JanOlov) at 7:25 AM Tuesday - Aug 28th: A fine spate of fotos ‘n narrative to go with ‘em! What's NOT to like about that scenery, eh Not sure, but methinks you may have confused me with Lars . . . Idea of this Thread is 'n has been to ENJOY the interaction amongst those who frequent the bar. Looks like you're getting the "hang" of it . . . The only "secret" for anyone interested in full participation is to take the time to find out how we do things 'round here. Round 'n cigars appreciated! CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:27 AM Tuesday - Aug 28th: Looks like the dreaded Yankees imploded with that 3 out 4 loss to the Tigers. BoSox should be breathing a bit easier as September approaches. Cardinals are making things interesting, but the Cubs ‘n Brewers aren't doing much to pull away. Snakes are still in 1st in the NL west, but the4 heat is on. Watch the Reds - in spite of the double-loss last nite, they've been moving up 'n causing ripples! It's always interesting to me when there's some reading material on the way it was, or as you like to put it - Back in the Day! Pullman was quite the innovator. But alas, they got too big for their "britches" when the courts made ‘em break up. A story for ‘nother day, perhaps.Quarters, round ‘n visit most welcome! Ron (DD1) at 11:42 AM ‘n 12:57 PM Tuesday - Aug 28th: Our Resident Mississippi Connection checked in from the state with the most overweight people (according to the news of the day)! I have a modest collection of train calendars - very modest. Some super fine Pix on ‘em. One day I'll probably put ‘em in a collage - if I live that long that is! <grin>Conway yard is a monster! Methinks there are far more Pollywogs than not! The English-speaking seafaring tradition maintains that all sailors who cross the equator during a nautical voyage must undergo rites of passage and elaborate rituals initiating them into The Solemn Mysteries of the Ancient Order of the Deep. These rituals date back to the Middle Ages, though the current ceremonies are most likely derived from Viking traditions. Those who have never "crossed the line" are derisively referred to as "pollywogs" or simply "slimy wogs". Upon entering the domain of His Royal Majesty, Neptunus Rex, all wogs are subject to various initiation rituals performed by those members of the crew who have made the journey before. Upon completion of the initiation ceremony, the wogs are then known as "trusty Shellbacks". If the crossing of the equator is done at the 180th meridian, the title of "Golden Shellback" is conferred, recognizing the simultaneous entry into the realm of the Golden Dragon. If the crossing occurs at the Greenwich or Prime Meridian, the sailor is considered to be an "Emerald Shellback".[ Check out my Post regarding that "mystery man" in the foto of Joe D ‘n Red Barber.Rounds ‘n visits helped make the morning ‘n early PM! < Happy Railroading! Siberianmo JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:32 AM Good morning Master Tom and fellow magicians.....A round and Cuban for everybody please.....Puts some $ in the tip jar and jukebox, which start to play some classic railroad related music a la Hank Williams etc....Gunneral, nae bother son..... I'll just put a week worth of full english breakfast on one plate for you.... Glad you liked the pics, Milwaukee Road had some serious beautiful scenery.EricX2000, All your pics from around the "old country" are great and very much appreciated by myself and the "old man", so whatever they are keep them flowing freely.... DD1, I thought that you like these my good man.... electrics and all.E-50 heads east from Maple Valley, the rear of its train curving through one of several bridges over the meandering Cedar River.E-47 at Hyak with the Cascades in the background.Two Little Joes with the unique E-78 in the lead, whir upgrade towards the west portal of the St paul Pass Tunnel at Roland.E-35 sorting out cars at Haugan, these cars will be taken west by the train to which the E-35 has been called to assist. The westbound grade stiffened here from 0.7 to 1.7 percent, so this was the logical point to add helpers to heavy westbounds.DFW at Donald, Montana. Two Little Joes with a SD-45 and a GP-40 struggle up the last few feet of 2.0 percent to continental divide. All the best! Jan EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:55 PM Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!It is Tuesday Leon, I think it is time for my Steak & Bisquits! Lots of extra marinade, please. Tui! Kind of slow day here in Phoenix. 111° F and it will be about the same tomorrow. This was the 28th day with >110° F this summer. Tom – I remember the shots looking back at the trailing consist of the ARR train. Beautiful! I am taking it slow, just needed a few reminders! But at the same time it is kind of boring not being able to do any physical work. But it should be better in a few weeks when my rehab excercises will include the arms.Looking forward to the day when I get that book to read, Red for Danger! Great Northern Railway! Thanks for the info! I like several of the drumheads! Empire Builder should be something for Amtrak!JanOlov – I am afraid I don’t have that many Östersund pictures. I’ll see what I have. Beautiful pictures of all those trains on the trestles! A lot exhaust fumes coming out of the tunnel with the train! CM3 – Yes, I am trying to behave, but sometimes it is hard not to try just a little bit. But it is stupid!Ron – I will check my books and other material to see if I can find anything on the DD-1. If I do I will scan it and send it to you. Pete – Those UP cars are really shiny sparkly clean! City of Portland, Katy Flyer and Columbine are all described on UP’s site. The link will take you to a page where you will find the name of the cars. Click on each name and you will get the desciption for each car.http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/history/histequip/index.shtmlNice picture of the UP loco painted in Missouri Pacific’s colors!Allan – Thank you, I am feeling better and I will hopefully go back to work the week after Labor Day (next week). No I never tried again, I found quite a bit of info on NZ locos in a few books I have. It is very interesting since I didn’t know anything before you started to come to the bar! Eric Gunneral Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: NZ 242 posts Posted by Gunneral on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:30 PM Hi Tom and all,Drinks all round please Leon, how about a Tui?Tom. The Fallen Flags and Drumheads were very interesting posts, great reading and veiwing. The A type coaches NZ rail are using stem from the late 1930`s and have been re-built numerous times, the chassis and framework are about all thats left of the original build, the BR Mk2 coaches are a vast improvement in ride comfort and quality. Thought I would`nt enter in the book circle of Petes book due to the overseas` mailing hassle.Lars. Great pics on all you`re posts mate.Pete. Enjoyed all you`re pics and posts, looking forward to you`re A4 write-up, my favourite loco by far! Glad to see you found the NZ electric loco sites OK, the EF`s are Bo-Bo-Bo`s and are used on express freights on the North Island main trunk line.Eric. Hope you are feeling a lot better now after you`re off weekend? The time difference between NZ and the States is that we are about 15hrs ahead of EST. Did you manage to find those NZ electric loco sites at all? Enjoyed reading all you`re posts.Ron. Did you find the NZ electric sites OK in the end?Jan. Easy on the full English breakfast, I just have it as a special once a week now! Enjoyed you`re pics.Cm3. Thanks for the interesting info on you`re posts.Dave. Nice to see you onboard.Tom. Nearly forgot you`re Pullman disscusion. In the late 50`s and early 60`s used to ride on The Tees-Tyne Pullman from London King`s Cross to Newcastle-on-Tyne when going on furlough, had to pay a 5 shillings excess fare which was worth it for the extra comfort and the Bar facilities, used to be partial to Newcaste Brown Ale in those days, it was nicknamed "Journey into Space" by the locals in Geordieland!See ya, Allan pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 4:12 PM Hi Tom and all.A pint of Bathams please Ruth on this hot mid Missouri day.ERIC Yes the photo was taken just before the 35mm camera got its soda bath on the Texas Eagle. The bride saw the train as she came home from work, I think the train was there as part of a rail safety to do with grade crossings. The train was hauled by two of UP's ordinary diesels not the heritage units through here.Apparently KCS have painted a few of their new locomotives in the colors of the old loco in the photo. I have not seen one yet but it will be something to look for when visiting Kansas City.Thanks for the photos.Three other UP cars that were at Jeff CityIf anyone knows any details on them it would be great JAN A good breakfast does indeed set you up for the day.Many thanks for those great Milwaukee Road photos. What a great location and the sound of those trains heading up the grade must have been magnificent.CM3 Thanks for the info on Jan and DD1's posts. I did notice the wires had gone, I wonder what those electrics sounded like climbing the grade.One of the reasons for the great interest in British Railways was a gentleman named Ian Allan. He produced a book in the war years that listed the locomotives and their details, of the Southern Railway for whom he worked for at the time, despite some opposition from his bosses, a friend of his knew the chairman who gave it the OK. This was met with great success so he produced books on the others of the Big 4.It was the start of a very successful railway publishing business. There were books on the 4 and there was a combine volume that listed all the BR locomotives, another book that was issued was the ‘Locoshed Book' that listed the depot allocations of the locomotives. A Combine Volume was a very much-prized birthday or Christmas present. The last Ian Allan combine volume was issued in 1989. There is usually an older combine re-printed each year and these sell out. I have seen an original ‘unmarked' combine from the 1950s go for $400 on e-bay.RON The bacon in Britain is a lot different to the bacon here, it is a lot thicker and wider and not as crisp as it is here, lucky I really enjoy the bacon over here.Thanks for the photo, there was some great artwork in those railroad calendars.The Horse Shoe Curve Porter sounds an interesting beer; I see CM3 has heard of the brew and its effects TOM Many thanks for the kind words; yes it was a surprise to see the dome on top of the dome when I got the disc back. It was hard to get photos there as the site was a bit congested and the sun was quite low.We were fortunate that day when traveled to KC, on the old Amtrak schedule and we had the full 4 and a half hours timetabled. It is one of the great pleasures of being interested in railroads when you go somewhere and there is something to see that was not expected. Another photo taken on that day in K.C.Many thanks for the Great Northern Fallen Flag encore and the Drumheads. It is good the Empire Builder is still thought of the premier named train today a tribute to the Great Northern of old.Glad the book made it to you, well done USPS. The photo you have taken of the cover has come out really good. Well RUTH a round please and the treats for the Mascots and yes BORIS your usual PPFPete. siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:08 PM G'day Gents!I see Jan 'n CM3 Shane 'n DL have made it "in" Time again for a Fallen Flags to get the juices flowing . . .The Passenger Railroad Fallen Flags of "Our" Place #21Here's another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads: <A form of this was initially Posted on Page 136 of the Original Thread>Great Northern Railway (GN) Caveat: The information provided is NOT all inclusive and is reflective only of the periods mentioned. Headquarters: St. Paul, MN Mileage: 1950: 8,220 Locomotives in 1963: Diesel: 642 Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars: 39,055 Passenger cars: 579 Principal routes in 1950: St. Paul, MN-Seattle, WA via Willmar, MN and New Rockford, ND Minneapolis-Minot, ND via St. Cloud, MN, Fargo and Grand Forks, ND Superior, WI & Duluth, MN-Grand Forks via Crookston, MN Minneapolis & St. Paul-Duluth & Superior via Brook Park, MN Barnesville, MN-Winnipeg, MB via Ada and Crookston, MN Portland, OR-Vancouver, BC via Seattle, WA (trackage rights on NP Portland-Seattle) Willmar-Sioux Falls, SD & Sioux City, IA Havre-Great Falls-Helena-Butte, MT Shelby-Great Falls-Billings, MT Bend, OR-Bieber, CA via Klamath Falls, OR Passenger trains of note: Badger (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Superior-Duluth) Cascadian (Seattle-Spokane, WA) Dakotan (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Williston, ND) Empire Builder (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S) Gopher (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Superior-Duluth) International (Seattle-Vancouver, BC) Oriental Limited (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S) Red River (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Grand Forks, ND) Western Star (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S) Winnipeg Limited (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Winnipeg * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Some drumheads from the GN:Enjoy! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:15 PM G'day Gents!Some activity from Ron (DD1) . . . Hmmmmmm, that mystery foto looks like the Super Chief to me . . . Later! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:57 PM Hello again! How lucky can you get? Drinks all around. I said at an earlier time that I had a picture of "Jolting Joe" and Red Barber, but I can't identify the guy in the middle.How did that query box get into the enlarged picture Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:42 AM Good day Tom and all loyal bar attendees. Drinks for all and the usual Guinness for me. It's a little too early for the single malt Scotch. That occurs around 1700. I'm going to start with some calendar art of the Pennsylvania Railroad and post a new (old) one each day or post whichever comes first.I think I first got interested in trains from calendars. I can't remember where or when I saw railroad calendars.Jan: I liked those pictures of the traffic over those trestles on the Milwaukee Road, especially the one of the EF-5 electric. The scenery is absolutely gorgeous, something you can't see except from a train. I only got a glimpse of the Milwaukee Road when I first drove out west along I-90 in 1964. I think it was in Spokane or Tacoma where I saw the electrics. That English breakfast looked good enough to eat. When I was in Australia, their bacon was the best I ever tasted. They don't cure it like we do here, therefore it is much more perishable. I wonder if they do the same in England or New Zealand. Anyone know? And might it be available here.Pete: I never tasted Curve beer, or even knew it existed until yesterday. I can tell you from the label, that it was brewed by the Altoona Brewing Co. Some info follows: Brewery: Altoona Brewing Co.Name of beer: Horse Shoe Curve PorterCountry: United StatesBeer Style: PorterBeer Year: 1930'sFood goes well with: Ice Cream Light meatsPork chopsShellfishSteakVealBrewery type: RegionalOunces in regular serving; 12Ml in regular serving: 355Typical Container: BottleType of glass recommended: Pint Glass - Large, thick sided, slightly bulged near the rimServing Temperature: 55F / 13CFermentation Type: TopPasturized: Eric: I'm accumulating some information on DD-1's, but there isn't too much available. I contacted the Pennsylvania Railroad Museum to see if I could get a blueprint of one, but to no avail. It seems that I could probably find some good information if I was to do the research in person at their archives library. I now have five drawings, all at unknown scales. Working from a known dimension, I'm able to construct a scale that matches the drawing. The only trouble is none of the drawings agree with one another. I will have to take the best guess as to a dimension and make adjustments as I go along until it looks right.CM3: Although I haven't started the actual construction yet, I'm also writing a construction article on high to build it. The basic construction will be 50/50 wood and metals. It is my intention to power it using either old cordless drill motors and gear boxes, a trolling motor or one from a kids sidewalk car. The overall size will be approximately 22 ½" tall x 15 ¾" wide x 97" long. This is in 1 ½" to the foot scale, a scale that is easy to work in. I still haven't come up with a means or making the 72"drivers (9" scale dim).There are no castings available for that size, so I'm thinking about slices of 9" diameter steel tubing for the tread and flange, and a steel center, machined and brazed in place. This would be an easy job for a CNC machine, so I might inquire about that path. Overall, don't expect this project to be completed anytime soon. I tend to work in spurts when the inspiration hits me so I don't expect any forthcoming progress reports. I will report when I have reached a milestone worth reporting.That's about it for now, so enjoy.BTW, How many of you are loyal and trusted Shellbacks of the Royal Order of Neptunis Rex?Ron (DD-1) Edit siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:38 AM NOTICE! NOTICE! NOTICE!The RR BOOK RELAY has begun! Pete (pwolfe) has a book that he'd like to share with the boyz - it's called Red for Danger. So what's a RR BOOK RELAY For the guyz interested in reading this book, here's how it works:(1) Send me an Email with your full postal mailing address.(2) Upon receipt of the book, send an Email stating that you received it.(3) Before mailing it to the next person on the list, make your written comments on the blank page(s) provided.(4) Send me an Email stating that the book has been mailed to . . .(5) Last person on the list - which will be me - mails it back to Pete.(6) I will ensure that all participants get an Email compilation of the comments made . . . Simple enough Signed up are:Lars (LoveDomes) - CM3 Shane (coalminer3) - Eric (EricX2000) - Tom (siberianmo)Now WHO ELSE wants "in" Let me know by EMAIL because sometimes things Posted at the bar have a way of getting misplaced (ie: not read)!! Let's have some fun with this! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:27 AM Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We had a cloudburst yesterday afternoon which flooded some roads (on the way home, of course), but we made it after awhile (via back roads). Gas is at $2.89 and Sox play the Yankees in a three-game set staring this evening in New York. I know, Frostbite, the math is starting to look a little better. Lars visited with the bookmobile. Passing Trains is a good one. Be careful en route.DD1 sent drawings. The front end on that locomotive is a bear; curved roof and curved windows. Any insight on fabrication for those of us who enjoy this sort of thing? The PRR wartime ad is truly a stylized rendition of the Jersey Meadows; I don't ever recall them looking like that. Anyway, there is certainly an interesting set of locomotives. It was interesting to see that the mainstays of PRR steam were conspicuous by their absence. I know, Boris, many of the PRR designs dated back to the Great War and one of the best designs they ever had came from the C&O. Hoo boy! Curve beer. After a few of those, they threw you on top of the doghouse on the I1, and dragged you up the hill. Leave it to Pete to come up with a double dome. "Columbine" was a famous name train before the name became a symbol for things darker. The "celebration" for last steam runs varied from road to road. Some had some celebrations while others just let the string "run out." PRR was an example of the latter. Our friends in the UK seem to pay more attention to some parts of their industrial heritage than we do. Different way of looking at things, I guess. Eric - Good - behave yourself. I overdid PT when rehabbing my knee yrs ago. More reps did not turn out to be better. The PT person was truly upset with me/ Jan sent MILW pictures. First off, thanks for the kind words. D&RG standard gauge steam is fascinating stuff. I have 4-5 books on the shelf somewhere dealing with the subject. The MILW shots were good ones. The shot at Kelly Creek was toward the end with Joes helping diesels. If you look sharp at some of the other all diesel shots you will see that the wires are gone although the supports are in place. Reminiscent of some parts of the old VGN around here. Doubling a hill is something to be avoided - it's interesting to watch but awfully expensive. Stories - oh, we got ‘em. Ask OSP and Lars - some of them are even true (LOL). Scroll back through the old thread and you will find some pieces that I posted which qualify as "stories." I am working on one for the upcoming holiday season - they are time consuming to research and write because I don't like to rely strictly on my memory (I think).OSP forwarded Canadian history (always interesting) along with a fine piece of Pullman material. I have a couple of books of Pullman instructions somewhere - one for porters and the other for buffet service. The second book has approx. four pp. on how to serve beer - Pullman did it a special way. No, Boris, they didn't bite the caps off of the bottles with their teeth - geez! So know you know what an SPF is. PRR was a presence in Boston because they had through service between Boston and Washington (PRR cars) along with lots of other stuff which ran in and out of South Station. So that's how I got interested in the P Company. Later, of course, came exposure to the electrified zone(s), and rides on various passenger trains to different parts of the system. BTW, we have people standing in line to bid when we have a job open up in Alaska. Everyone wants to go there. Work safe JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:25 AM All hail King Tom.....and the Knights OF The Turntable!!A large beer round the bar and a Cuban as well if you don't mind please.pwolfe, thought that would become a regular here from now on. You can't beat a good steady breakfast.... EricX2000, how right you are! I can only imagine what some of the "old guard" thought about it.... Always enjoy your awesome Östersund pics, feel free to keep 'em coming....siberianmo, glad to be entertaining mate. I have to reread the posts sometimes to make sure things comes out right. Not leaving anything out for missunderstandings you know... It's hard and heavy work to keep up with the big regular stars in this forum...Here's few more reasons why, well, like Milwaukee Road.....Class EF-5 helper set returns light to Avery, drifting downhill over Turkey Creek Trestle.Train 262 on Kelly Creek Trestle. The E-73 is assisting an SD-45 and two GP-40's on the 1.7 percent climb.A DFW whines downhill on Hull Creek Trestle.Train 201 crosses the Peedee Viaduct with a hollow rumble. This bridge, just west of milepost 1829, was never upgraded from open to ballasted deck.A DFE crosses over Kelly Creek Trestle, with its second half. Too heavy to make it up the 1.7 percent from Avery to Roland in one piece, this DFE had to double the hill, using both its head end and remote units on each cut. Eagle Nest Tunnel, between Francis and Sixteen Mile Canyon was the third of eight tunnels in Sixteen Mile Canyon (also called Montana Canyon). These were the first mainline tunnels west of Tunnel City, Wisconsin. From Eagle Nest's east portal, a black hole in a white limestone cliff, a steel trestle flung across the to the opposite side of the canyon. Thias costly construction, all built on a 1 percent (compensated) eastbound grade, was necessary to avoid a particular sharp kink in Sixteen Mile Canyon. This Agust 11 1979, train 200 has been audible for some time as it trudges up the canyon. A hollow rumble announces the train's approach in the tunnel. The train pops into daylight, a streamer of blue-grey exhaust coming with it, and with its units bellowing, crosses the trestle and slowly climbs up the canyon. The Miwaukee Road was endowed with (or cursed by) many spectacular locations. All the best! Jan siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:18 AM <courtesy: www.viarail.ca>G'day Gents! The 2nd day of the work week has rolled around - funny how that happens! So, let's enjoy the offerings from our kitchen by ordering a <light> or <traditional> breakfast, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery ‘n of course a mug of freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee! Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:28 AM Monday - Aug 27th: Lots of coal country along that route we took from Anchorage to Fairbanks. Sorry to say that from what we heard, well over half of what's mined heads to Asia. Yeah I know, it's all about money. What's new Kids back in school - BUT it's still AUGUST! <arrrrgggghhhh> These school districts have their collective heads where the sun doesn't shine - kids around here started TWO weeks ago!Oh I shuda known - Slobbering Pennsy Freak! Yeah, right - and YOU the NYC aficionado at that! <grin>Quarters for Herr Wurlitzer, round ‘n chat most welcome! Jan (JanOlov) at 9:58 AM Monday - Aug 27th: With perhaps one of the finest Posts from our Resident Scottish Swede, I had to read it twice to ensure authenticity! The man does have a serious bent ‘n strings the words together quite well at that! <grin>Don't worry about "young feet," I don't think we have any ‘round here anymore! A mighty fine shot of that train on the trestle! Round ‘n cigars always appreciated! Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:52 AM Monday - Aug 27th: Rounding out a nice morning of Posts comes our Manager! Great to have you aboard ‘n really am impressed by your dedication to the bar. How many guys do we have who keep "Our" Place in focus while away from home Think about it . . . I have a couple of those Canadian RR books in hard cover - Passing Trains is a "keeper," as is Rites of Passage. Regarding the RR Book Relay - if Pete says it's okay - I'll ship the book to you! But, let's keep this stuff via Email . . . .Have a safe trip back 'n we look forward to your next visit (so does RUTH!!!) - ohhhhhhh!Round, visit, covers ‘n chat most appreciated! Jan (JanOlov) at 12:16 PM Monday - Aug 27th: Chat for Lars - Pix for all! Another round too! Ron (DD1) at 4:09 PM Monday - Aug 27th: Good to see ya again, was wondering what was going on down in "Mississip" . . . <grin>Drawing, Pix ‘n round appreciated! Pete (pwolfe) at 9:56 PM Monday - Aug 27th: A finer Post will not be seen in these parts, as our Bar Chandler made it "in" for his daily offering. Nicely done, Mate! What a great shot of that UP dome! Lars will indeed luv it! Didn't know you had it ‘til the film was developed, eh Now that's a great surprise, fer sure, fer sure! Wouldn't it have been something to travel aboard that KCS we saw in KCity What a great preserved train they've got ‘n it's a special event to see her at Union Station. We were most fortunate that day to see so many fine looking displays, eh Figured you'd like the Pullman Post! They were at the top of their game, back in the day, eh Your Email was received - thanx for the prompt reply ‘n concurrence to get the RR Book Relay going! Round, visit, link, foto ‘n chat most appreciated! Eric (EricX2000) at 11:27 PM Monday - Aug 27t Happy Railroading! Siberianmo EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Monday, August 27, 2007 11:27 PM Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, I know I am early tonight but I need to get some sleep. So I'll just have a hamburger, cheeseburger, tonight! Monday! Says it all, doesn't it? No comments from me! Tom – Wow, so that train (Denali Star) had all together 9 Ultra Domes! Would be interesting to see a few pix from the X2000 in St. Louis in 1993 if you can find them. Yeah, I am a big fan of the Road Runner cartoons! I have quite a few of them on tape. Thanks for the Canadian RR History during the month of August! Always interesting to read. Would be nice to travel with all that service provided by the Condutor and the Pullman Porter! CM3 – Yes, I have realised that I need to be more careful with what I am doing. I still have 2 weeks to wait until I will be allowed to lift anything. Hell Gate Bridge is correct! JanOlov – A streamliner is designed to pull passenger cars at a high rate of speed over the tracks, nothing else. Stories from the railroad scene? I really don’t know if I have that much to tell. Let me think about it. I like that picture of the Mine Creek Bridge in the Cascades! The pictures of the D&RGW 4-6-6-4 and 2-8-8-2 show steam locomotives that are beautiful in a brutal way! For you and your dad! Östersund 1968. Doc Lars – Yes Doc, I will take it easy the next two weeks! Promise. Nice book covers! Rites of Passage looks kind of sad though! The DVD BC Rail Collection would be interesting to watch! Drive carefully on your way home!Ron – Are you getting all necessary information out of that drawing to build that DD-1?Pete – Thanks for the ‘Jeep’ link! So they were in service until 1970! Nice picture of the UP Dome! Did you take the picture before the Rendezvous when your old camera broke down? That Kansas City Southern locomotive looks beautiful! Eric pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Monday, August 27, 2007 9:56 PM Hi Tom and all.A PINT OF Batham's please LEON.ALLAN Many thanks for the link to the NZ electrics. I see there were some pre war electric locomotives from English Electric and some later ones from Brush.DAVE Are there any of the Sacramento Northern steeple cabs in the museum in Sacramento, the bride and I are hopefully paying a visit there next month.It seems the ex SP locomotives are still popular on the UP coal trains through here there was one with UP numbers through this evening.JAN Yes that full English breakfast had me drooling. Like the Wood St café in Rugby, you have to have the eggs, bacon and sausage, then the rest you add for 35p each, great stuff. Also I have had something like your photo in a Scottish B&B before now.Great description of how you became to admire American railroads. I am fairly new to the U.S. and knew very little about the railroads here although I picked up Trains and Classic Trains after my first visit. It is mainly through those mags and Our Place that I have a very growing admiration of the railroads here, although I have to admit it is with a growing regret that I did not see the days of steam and the classic trains that ran over here.I too enjoy reading the articles from the guys who worked on the railroad. To be in the company of old steam drivers when they talk about their time on the railway is wonderful and a privilege.LARS Many thanks for the photo of Plattsburg station, a great looking building and the D&H diesels. Great Canadian book and video covers, that Rites of Passage photo is one of the very best I have seen on a cover.I have sent the book to Tom as he as kindly offered to get it ready for the relay.Despite the dreaded 'Thimble' I have a photo for you. We have had many types of Dome cars but this is a dome on top of a dome. It was taken this year at Jeff city with the dome of the Capitol building in the background.It was on 35 mm film and I did not realise the dome was in it until I got the disc back from devloping. Have a safe journey home.ERIC Take it EASY my friend, no more injuries please.Thanks for the congrats on the 2,000th post, with the slow speed I type at it is impossible to plan it, pure luck I guess. It is free Bathams for the rest of the week so have a pint on me.Yes Irish railways do not get a lot of coverage in the British railway press, which is a great pity. In a museum near Belfast they have the Northern Ireland example of a Midland 2P 4-4-0,in Midland crimson livery, although it is 5'3" gauge. I can't remember when I last saw a photo of this loco in a magazine.The ‘Jeep' in the photo is the last survivor of its class and it is preserved by the RPSI, and is used on special trains. These locos were that last locos in main line service in the UK when they were used on the Larne line into the 1970s hauling stone to help with a road improvement.http://www.rpsi-online.org/locomotives/loco4.htmCM3 Reading about the last days of steam, can you tell me if there was a celebration on lines when the last steam train ran in the U.S. I guess with the railways of Britain it was all one railway and the last run was easy to document. The British railway press is already gearing up to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the last BR standard gauge steam next August. Some people are asking why the 40th but I guess it makes sense as more people can remember and had worked on steam 40 years on whereas after 50 years the youngest person would have been 20.Thanks for the congrats and have a Bathams on me.RON Thanks for the very good Pennsy poster. Do you know what the ‘Curve' Premium beer was like.TOM That was a really good of you to send what was said at the bar to Fergie. We really do have some special people at Our Place. Yes it seems the early bird gets the free beer at Our Place. Luckily we had a lot of people helping our friend « First«63646566676869»Last » SUBSCRIBER & MEMBER LOGIN Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register FREE NEWSLETTER SIGNUP Get the Classic Trains twice-monthly newsletter Submit More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Prototype: French State Railways (SNCF) class 426000 dual system locomotive. "SYBIC" dual system locomotive. B-B wheel arrangement. Assigned to the freight service area (FRET).
from: Trix Trix CFL CL 3600 ELECT LOCO
QUOTE: Prototype: Luxembourg State Railways (CFL) class 3600. In Bordeaux red as the prototype looked in Era IV. Design similar to the French BB 12 000.
from: Trix Brawa Rail Car BR 465 (1950s-70s)
QUOTE: At the end of the 1950s, the electric power cars of the ET 65 series had become worn out through hard daily use. The acquisition of a replacement vehicle was out of the question for various reasons. Thus the DB decided to completely refurbi***he vehicles. All 23 power cars still in existence were therefore taken to the Stuttgart-Bad Cannstatt depot and completely reworked between 1961 and 1963. The complete renovation of the front part was the most obvious. The previous connecting doors were removed, the smooth surface front was equipped with 2 large rubber-mounted windows. At the other end, rubber beadings were attached to panels in order to give weather protection when moving from car to car. The operator stands were completely modernised, an inductive train protection system was the safety standard at that time. The passenger comfort was significantly increased by new lighting and padded seats. In the modernised form, the ET 65 or from 1968 465 power car was in reliable daily service until its replacement by the S-Bahn in 1977.
from: Brawa Brawa Diesel Locomotive BR 216 (1970s-80s)
QUOTE: In 1975 the new colour scheme (often referred to as "turquoise/beige") was officially introduced for locomotives and carriages. The Bundesbahn symbol, the DB "biscuit" was originally sea-blue in colour. A number of locomotives of the 216 series were also painted in these colours which were typical of epoch 4 up to 1987. But even after that, many vehicles remained in service with the former colour scheme. And many of these also received the new eye-catching red DB symbol over the existing paintwork.
from: Brawa Brawa Diesel Locomotive BR 232
QUOTE: The DB group has changed its "appearance" once again. The well-known DB logo will be extended in future according to whether the loco is owned by "Mobility", "Networks" or "Logistics". Since Railion counts as part of DB Logistics, the logos on Railion locomotives will also be changed. The new version is the simple logo "Railion" without the well-known box, supplemented by "DB Logistics". One of the first locomotives affected by this is the 232 675-9.
from: Brawa Trix METRONOME 146.1 TRAIN SET
QUOTE: "Swinging in Time" - "Metronome" is the brand name for ten new bi-level trains operated by the Metronome Railroad Company Ltd. in Uelzen, Germany. These very modern locomotives and cars can be recognized from a distance by their striking, sophisticated design in the colors of yellow, white, and blue. Metronome has linked the cities of Hamburg and Bremen as well as Hamburg and Uelzen since December of 2003 as a regional express train railroad. The train name Metronome symbolizes together with the logo of a swinging pendulum the schedule concept of departures on an hourly schedule. Musicians are familiar with a metronome as a beat generator. For that reason the slogan for the Metronome trains is "Swinging in Time".
from: Trix Note: As has been past practice, Lydia has helped immensely with these model train retrievals. My guess is she thinks I am learning something! <wink> Enjoyed the posting by my "bookend" on the "Lionel Diesels!" Good health and ha Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
Wednesday's Witticism
There are two sides to any man's argument. His and the wrong one.
Mid-week in mid-continent in mid-USA ‘n time for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery ‘n of course some freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee!
And for those with a memory, here's a link to a subject that drew some interest several months back:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/08/28/war-panel.html
Jan (JanOlov) at 7:25 AM Tuesday - Aug 28th: A fine spate of fotos ‘n narrative to go with ‘em! What's NOT to like about that scenery, eh
Not sure, but methinks you may have confused me with Lars . . .
Idea of this Thread is 'n has been to ENJOY the interaction amongst those who frequent the bar. Looks like you're getting the "hang" of it . . .
The only "secret" for anyone interested in full participation is to take the time to find out how we do things 'round here.
Round 'n cigars appreciated!
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:27 AM Tuesday - Aug 28th: Looks like the dreaded Yankees imploded with that 3 out 4 loss to the Tigers. BoSox should be breathing a bit easier as September approaches. Cardinals are making things interesting, but the Cubs ‘n Brewers aren't doing much to pull away. Snakes are still in 1st in the NL west, but the4 heat is on. Watch the Reds - in spite of the double-loss last nite, they've been moving up 'n causing ripples!
It's always interesting to me when there's some reading material on the way it was, or as you like to put it - Back in the Day! Pullman was quite the innovator. But alas, they got too big for their "britches" when the courts made ‘em break up. A story for ‘nother day, perhaps.
Quarters, round ‘n visit most welcome!
Ron (DD1) at 11:42 AM ‘n 12:57 PM Tuesday - Aug 28th: Our Resident Mississippi Connection checked in from the state with the most overweight people (according to the news of the day)!
I have a modest collection of train calendars - very modest. Some super fine Pix on ‘em. One day I'll probably put ‘em in a collage - if I live that long that is! <grin>
Conway yard is a monster!
Methinks there are far more Pollywogs than not!
The English-speaking seafaring tradition maintains that all sailors who cross the equator during a nautical voyage must undergo rites of passage and elaborate rituals initiating them into The Solemn Mysteries of the Ancient Order of the Deep. These rituals date back to the Middle Ages, though the current ceremonies are most likely derived from Viking traditions. Those who have never "crossed the line" are derisively referred to as "pollywogs" or simply "slimy wogs". Upon entering the domain of His Royal Majesty, Neptunus Rex, all wogs are subject to various initiation rituals performed by those members of the crew who have made the journey before. Upon completion of the initiation ceremony, the wogs are then known as "trusty Shellbacks". If the crossing of the equator is done at the 180th meridian, the title of "Golden Shellback" is conferred, recognizing the simultaneous entry into the realm of the Golden Dragon. If the crossing occurs at the Greenwich or Prime Meridian, the sailor is considered to be an "Emerald Shellback".[
Check out my Post regarding that "mystery man" in the foto of Joe D ‘n Red Barber.
Rounds ‘n visits helped make the morning ‘n early PM!
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Good morning Master Tom and fellow magicians.....
A round and Cuban for everybody please.....
Puts some $ in the tip jar and jukebox, which start to play some classic railroad related music a la Hank Williams etc....
Gunneral, nae bother son..... I'll just put a week worth of full english breakfast on one plate for you.... Glad you liked the pics, Milwaukee Road had some serious beautiful scenery.
EricX2000, All your pics from around the "old country" are great and very much appreciated by myself and the "old man", so whatever they are keep them flowing freely....
DD1, I thought that you like these my good man.... electrics and all.
E-50 heads east from Maple Valley, the rear of its train curving through one of several bridges over the meandering Cedar River.
E-47 at Hyak with the Cascades in the background.
Two Little Joes with the unique E-78 in the lead, whir upgrade towards the west portal of the St paul Pass Tunnel at Roland.
E-35 sorting out cars at Haugan, these cars will be taken west by the train to which the E-35 has been called to assist. The westbound grade stiffened here from 0.7 to 1.7 percent, so this was the logical point to add helpers to heavy westbounds.
DFW at Donald, Montana. Two Little Joes with a SD-45 and a GP-40 struggle up the last few feet of 2.0 percent to continental divide.
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
It is Tuesday Leon, I think it is time for my Steak & Bisquits! Lots of extra marinade, please. Tui!
Kind of slow day here in Phoenix. 111° F and it will be about the same tomorrow. This was the 28th day with >110° F this summer.
Tom – I remember the shots looking back at the trailing consist of the ARR train. Beautiful! I am taking it slow, just needed a few reminders! But at the same time it is kind of boring not being able to do any physical work. But it should be better in a few weeks when my rehab excercises will include the arms.Looking forward to the day when I get that book to read, Red for Danger! Great Northern Railway! Thanks for the info! I like several of the drumheads! Empire Builder should be something for Amtrak!JanOlov – I am afraid I don’t have that many Östersund pictures. I’ll see what I have. Beautiful pictures of all those trains on the trestles! A lot exhaust fumes coming out of the tunnel with the train! CM3 – Yes, I am trying to behave, but sometimes it is hard not to try just a little bit. But it is stupid!Ron – I will check my books and other material to see if I can find anything on the DD-1. If I do I will scan it and send it to you. Pete – Those UP cars are really shiny sparkly clean! City of Portland, Katy Flyer and Columbine are all described on UP’s site. The link will take you to a page where you will find the name of the cars. Click on each name and you will get the desciption for each car.http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/history/histequip/index.shtmlNice picture of the UP loco painted in Missouri Pacific’s colors!Allan – Thank you, I am feeling better and I will hopefully go back to work the week after Labor Day (next week). No I never tried again, I found quite a bit of info on NZ locos in a few books I have. It is very interesting since I didn’t know anything before you started to come to the bar!
Hi Tom and all,
Drinks all round please Leon, how about a Tui?
Tom. The Fallen Flags and Drumheads were very interesting posts, great reading and veiwing. The A type coaches NZ rail are using stem from the late 1930`s and have been re-built numerous times, the chassis and framework are about all thats left of the original build, the BR Mk2 coaches are a vast improvement in ride comfort and quality. Thought I would`nt enter in the book circle of Petes book due to the overseas` mailing hassle.
Lars. Great pics on all you`re posts mate.
Pete. Enjoyed all you`re pics and posts, looking forward to you`re A4 write-up, my favourite loco by far! Glad to see you found the NZ electric loco sites OK, the EF`s are Bo-Bo-Bo`s and are used on express freights on the North Island main trunk line.
Eric. Hope you are feeling a lot better now after you`re off weekend? The time difference between NZ and the States is that we are about 15hrs ahead of EST. Did you manage to find those NZ electric loco sites at all? Enjoyed reading all you`re posts.
Ron. Did you find the NZ electric sites OK in the end?
Jan. Easy on the full English breakfast, I just have it as a special once a week now! Enjoyed you`re pics.
Cm3. Thanks for the interesting info on you`re posts.
Dave. Nice to see you onboard.
Tom. Nearly forgot you`re Pullman disscusion. In the late 50`s and early 60`s used to ride on The Tees-Tyne Pullman from London King`s Cross to Newcastle-on-Tyne when going on furlough, had to pay a 5 shillings excess fare which was worth it for the extra comfort and the Bar facilities, used to be partial to Newcaste Brown Ale in those days, it was nicknamed "Journey into Space" by the locals in Geordieland!
See ya, Allan
A pint of Bathams please Ruth on this hot mid Missouri day.
ERIC Yes the photo was taken just before the 35mm camera got its soda bath on the Texas Eagle. The bride saw the train as she came home from work, I think the train was there as part of a rail safety to do with grade crossings. The train was hauled by two of UP's ordinary diesels not the heritage units through here.
Apparently KCS have painted a few of their new locomotives in the colors of the old loco in the photo. I have not seen one yet but it will be something to look for when visiting Kansas City.
Thanks for the photos.
Three other UP cars that were at Jeff City
If anyone knows any details on them it would be great
JAN A good breakfast does indeed set you up for the day.
Many thanks for those great Milwaukee Road photos. What a great location and the sound of those trains heading up the grade must have been magnificent.
CM3 Thanks for the info on Jan and DD1's posts. I did notice the wires had gone, I wonder what those electrics sounded like climbing the grade.
One of the reasons for the great interest in British Railways was a gentleman named Ian Allan. He produced a book in the war years that listed the locomotives and their details, of the Southern Railway for whom he worked for at the time, despite some opposition from his bosses, a friend of his knew the chairman who gave it the OK. This was met with great success so he produced books on the others of the Big 4.It was the start of a very successful railway publishing business.
There were books on the 4 and there was a combine volume that listed all the BR locomotives, another book that was issued was the ‘Locoshed Book' that listed the depot allocations of the locomotives. A Combine Volume was a very much-prized birthday or Christmas present. The last Ian Allan combine volume was issued in 1989. There is usually an older combine re-printed each year and these sell out. I have seen an original ‘unmarked' combine from the 1950s go for $400 on e-bay.
RON The bacon in Britain is a lot different to the bacon here, it is a lot thicker and wider and not as crisp as it is here, lucky I really enjoy the bacon over here.
Thanks for the photo, there was some great artwork in those railroad calendars.
The Horse Shoe Curve Porter sounds an interesting beer; I see CM3 has heard of the brew and its effects
TOM Many thanks for the kind words; yes it was a surprise to see the dome on top of the dome when I got the disc back. It was hard to get photos there as the site was a bit congested and the sun was quite low.
We were fortunate that day when traveled to KC, on the old Amtrak schedule and we had the full 4 and a half hours timetabled. It is one of the great pleasures of being interested in railroads when you go somewhere and there is something to see that was not expected.
Another photo taken on that day in K.C.
Many thanks for the Great Northern Fallen Flag encore and the Drumheads. It is good the Empire Builder is still thought of the premier named train today a tribute to the Great Northern of old.
Glad the book made it to you, well done USPS. The photo you have taken of the cover has come out really good.
Well RUTH a round please and the treats for the Mascots and yes BORIS your usual PPF
I see Jan 'n CM3 Shane 'n DL have made it "in"
Time again for a Fallen Flags to get the juices flowing . . .
The Passenger Railroad Fallen Flags of "Our" Place #21
Here's another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:
<A form of this was initially Posted on Page 136 of the Original Thread>
Great Northern Railway (GN)
Caveat: The information provided is NOT all inclusive and is reflective only of the periods mentioned.
Headquarters: St. Paul, MN Mileage: 1950: 8,220 Locomotives in 1963: Diesel: 642 Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars: 39,055 Passenger cars: 579
Principal routes in 1950: St. Paul, MN-Seattle, WA via Willmar, MN and New Rockford, ND Minneapolis-Minot, ND via St. Cloud, MN, Fargo and Grand Forks, ND Superior, WI & Duluth, MN-Grand Forks via Crookston, MN Minneapolis & St. Paul-Duluth & Superior via Brook Park, MN Barnesville, MN-Winnipeg, MB via Ada and Crookston, MN Portland, OR-Vancouver, BC via Seattle, WA (trackage rights on NP Portland-Seattle) Willmar-Sioux Falls, SD & Sioux City, IA Havre-Great Falls-Helena-Butte, MT Shelby-Great Falls-Billings, MT Bend, OR-Bieber, CA via Klamath Falls, OR
Passenger trains of note: Badger (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Superior-Duluth) Cascadian (Seattle-Spokane, WA) Dakotan (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Williston, ND) Empire Builder (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S) Gopher (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Superior-Duluth) International (Seattle-Vancouver, BC) Oriental Limited (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S) Red River (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Grand Forks, ND) Western Star (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S) Winnipeg Limited (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Winnipeg
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Some drumheads from the GN:
Enjoy! Tom
Some activity from Ron (DD1) . . .
Hmmmmmm, that mystery foto looks like the Super Chief to me . . .
Later!
Tom
Hello again! How lucky can you get? Drinks all around. I said at an earlier time that I had a picture of "Jolting Joe" and Red Barber, but I can't identify the guy in the middle.
How did that query box get into the enlarged picture
Good day Tom and all loyal bar attendees. Drinks for all and the usual Guinness for me. It's a little too early for the single malt Scotch. That occurs around 1700. I'm going to start with some calendar art of the Pennsylvania Railroad and post a new (old) one each day or post whichever comes first.
I think I first got interested in trains from calendars. I can't remember where or when I saw railroad calendars.
Jan: I liked those pictures of the traffic over those trestles on the Milwaukee Road, especially the one of the EF-5 electric. The scenery is absolutely gorgeous, something you can't see except from a train. I only got a glimpse of the Milwaukee Road when I first drove out west along I-90 in 1964. I think it was in Spokane or Tacoma where I saw the electrics. That English breakfast looked good enough to eat. When I was in Australia, their bacon was the best I ever tasted. They don't cure it like we do here, therefore it is much more perishable. I wonder if they do the same in England or New Zealand. Anyone know? And might it be available here.
Brewery:
Altoona Brewing Co.
Name of beer:
Horse Shoe Curve Porter
Country:
United States
Beer Style:
Porter
Beer Year:
1930's
Food goes well with:
Ice Cream Light meatsPork chopsShellfishSteakVeal
Brewery type:
Regional
Ounces in regular serving;
12
Ml in regular serving:
355
Typical Container:
Bottle
Type of glass recommended:
Pint Glass - Large, thick sided, slightly bulged near the rim
Serving Temperature:
55F / 13C
Fermentation Type:
Top
Pasturized:
Eric: I'm accumulating some information on DD-1's, but there isn't too much available. I contacted the Pennsylvania Railroad Museum to see if I could get a blueprint of one, but to no avail. It seems that I could probably find some good information if I was to do the research in person at their archives library. I now have five drawings, all at unknown scales. Working from a known dimension, I'm able to construct a scale that matches the drawing. The only trouble is none of the drawings agree with one another. I will have to take the best guess as to a dimension and make adjustments as I go along until it looks right.
CM3: Although I haven't started the actual construction yet, I'm also writing a construction article on high to build it. The basic construction will be 50/50 wood and metals. It is my intention to power it using either old cordless drill motors and gear boxes, a trolling motor or one from a kids sidewalk car. The overall size will be approximately 22 ½" tall x 15 ¾" wide x 97" long. This is in 1 ½" to the foot scale, a scale that is easy to work in. I still haven't come up with a means or making the 72"drivers (9" scale dim).
There are no castings available for that size, so I'm thinking about slices of 9" diameter steel tubing for the tread and flange, and a steel center, machined and brazed in place. This would be an easy job for a CNC machine, so I might inquire about that path. Overall, don't expect this project to be completed anytime soon. I tend to work in spurts when the inspiration hits me so I don't expect any forthcoming progress reports. I will report when I have reached a milestone worth reporting.
That's about it for now, so enjoy.
BTW, How many of you are loyal and trusted Shellbacks of the Royal Order of Neptunis Rex?
Ron (DD-1)
NOTICE! NOTICE! NOTICE!
The RR BOOK RELAY has begun!
Pete (pwolfe) has a book that he'd like to share with the boyz - it's called Red for Danger.
So what's a RR BOOK RELAY
For the guyz interested in reading this book, here's how it works:
(1) Send me an Email with your full postal mailing address.
(2) Upon receipt of the book, send an Email stating that you received it.
(3) Before mailing it to the next person on the list, make your written comments on the blank page(s) provided.
(4) Send me an Email stating that the book has been mailed to . . .
(5) Last person on the list - which will be me - mails it back to Pete.
(6) I will ensure that all participants get an Email compilation of the comments made . . .
Simple enough
Signed up are:
Lars (LoveDomes) - CM3 Shane (coalminer3) -
Eric (EricX2000) - Tom (siberianmo)
Now WHO ELSE wants "in"
Let me know by EMAIL because sometimes things Posted at the bar have a way of getting misplaced (ie: not read)!!
Let's have some fun with this!
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We had a cloudburst yesterday afternoon which flooded some roads (on the way home, of course), but we made it after awhile (via back roads). Gas is at $2.89 and Sox play the Yankees in a three-game set staring this evening in New York. I know, Frostbite, the math is starting to look a little better.
Lars visited with the bookmobile. Passing Trains is a good one. Be careful en route.
DD1 sent drawings. The front end on that locomotive is a bear; curved roof and curved windows. Any insight on fabrication for those of us who enjoy this sort of thing? The PRR wartime ad is truly a stylized rendition of the Jersey Meadows; I don't ever recall them looking like that. Anyway, there is certainly an interesting set of locomotives. It was interesting to see that the mainstays of PRR steam were conspicuous by their absence. I know, Boris, many of the PRR designs dated back to the Great War and one of the best designs they ever had came from the C&O. Hoo boy! Curve beer. After a few of those, they threw you on top of the doghouse on the I1, and dragged you up the hill.
Leave it to Pete to come up with a double dome. "Columbine" was a famous name train before the name became a symbol for things darker. The "celebration" for last steam runs varied from road to road. Some had some celebrations while others just let the string "run out." PRR was an example of the latter. Our friends in the UK seem to pay more attention to some parts of their industrial heritage than we do. Different way of looking at things, I guess.
Eric - Good - behave yourself. I overdid PT when rehabbing my knee yrs ago. More reps did not turn out to be better. The PT person was truly upset with me/
Jan sent MILW pictures. First off, thanks for the kind words. D&RG standard gauge steam is fascinating stuff. I have 4-5 books on the shelf somewhere dealing with the subject. The MILW shots were good ones. The shot at Kelly Creek was toward the end with Joes helping diesels. If you look sharp at some of the other all diesel shots you will see that the wires are gone although the supports are in place. Reminiscent of some parts of the old VGN around here. Doubling a hill is something to be avoided - it's interesting to watch but awfully expensive.
Stories - oh, we got ‘em. Ask OSP and Lars - some of them are even true (LOL). Scroll back through the old thread and you will find some pieces that I posted which qualify as "stories." I am working on one for the upcoming holiday season - they are time consuming to research and write because I don't like to rely strictly on my memory (I think).
OSP forwarded Canadian history (always interesting) along with a fine piece of Pullman material. I have a couple of books of Pullman instructions somewhere - one for porters and the other for buffet service. The second book has approx. four pp. on how to serve beer - Pullman did it a special way. No, Boris, they didn't bite the caps off of the bottles with their teeth - geez!
So know you know what an SPF is. PRR was a presence in Boston because they had through service between Boston and Washington (PRR cars) along with lots of other stuff which ran in and out of South Station. So that's how I got interested in the P Company. Later, of course, came exposure to the electrified zone(s), and rides on various passenger trains to different parts of the system. BTW, we have people standing in line to bid when we have a job open up in Alaska. Everyone wants to go there.
All hail King Tom.....and the Knights OF The Turntable!!
A large beer round the bar and a Cuban as well if you don't mind please.
pwolfe, thought that would become a regular here from now on. You can't beat a good steady breakfast....
EricX2000, how right you are! I can only imagine what some of the "old guard" thought about it.... Always enjoy your awesome Östersund pics, feel free to keep 'em coming....
siberianmo, glad to be entertaining mate. I have to reread the posts sometimes to make sure things comes out right. Not leaving anything out for missunderstandings you know... It's hard and heavy work to keep up with the big regular stars in this forum...
Here's few more reasons why, well, like Milwaukee Road.....
Class EF-5 helper set returns light to Avery, drifting downhill over Turkey Creek Trestle.
Train 262 on Kelly Creek Trestle. The E-73 is assisting an SD-45 and two GP-40's on the 1.7 percent climb.
A DFW whines downhill on Hull Creek Trestle.
Train 201 crosses the Peedee Viaduct with a hollow rumble. This bridge, just west of milepost 1829, was never upgraded from open to ballasted deck.
A DFE crosses over Kelly Creek Trestle, with its second half. Too heavy to make it up the 1.7 percent from Avery to Roland in one piece, this DFE had to double the hill, using both its head end and remote units on each cut.
Eagle Nest Tunnel, between Francis and Sixteen Mile Canyon was the third of eight tunnels in Sixteen Mile Canyon (also called Montana Canyon). These were the first mainline tunnels west of Tunnel City, Wisconsin. From Eagle Nest's east portal, a black hole in a white limestone cliff, a steel trestle flung across the to the opposite side of the canyon. Thias costly construction, all built on a 1 percent (compensated) eastbound grade, was necessary to avoid a particular sharp kink in Sixteen Mile Canyon. This Agust 11 1979, train 200 has been audible for some time as it trudges up the canyon. A hollow rumble announces the train's approach in the tunnel. The train pops into daylight, a streamer of blue-grey exhaust coming with it, and with its units bellowing, crosses the trestle and slowly climbs up the canyon. The Miwaukee Road was endowed with (or cursed by) many spectacular locations.
The 2nd day of the work week has rolled around - funny how that happens! So, let's enjoy the offerings from our kitchen by ordering a <light> or <traditional> breakfast, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery ‘n of course a mug of freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee!
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:28 AM Monday - Aug 27th: Lots of coal country along that route we took from Anchorage to Fairbanks. Sorry to say that from what we heard, well over half of what's mined heads to Asia. Yeah I know, it's all about money. What's new
Kids back in school - BUT it's still AUGUST! <arrrrgggghhhh> These school districts have their collective heads where the sun doesn't shine - kids around here started TWO weeks ago!
Oh I shuda known - Slobbering Pennsy Freak! Yeah, right - and YOU the NYC aficionado at that! <grin>
Quarters for Herr Wurlitzer, round ‘n chat most welcome!
Jan (JanOlov) at 9:58 AM Monday - Aug 27th: With perhaps one of the finest Posts from our Resident Scottish Swede, I had to read it twice to ensure authenticity! The man does have a serious bent ‘n strings the words together quite well at that! <grin>
Don't worry about "young feet," I don't think we have any ‘round here anymore!
A mighty fine shot of that train on the trestle!
Round ‘n cigars always appreciated!
Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:52 AM Monday - Aug 27th: Rounding out a nice morning of Posts comes our Manager! Great to have you aboard ‘n really am impressed by your dedication to the bar. How many guys do we have who keep "Our" Place in focus while away from home Think about it . . .
I have a couple of those Canadian RR books in hard cover - Passing Trains is a "keeper," as is Rites of Passage.
Regarding the RR Book Relay - if Pete says it's okay - I'll ship the book to you!
But, let's keep this stuff via Email . . . .
Have a safe trip back 'n we look forward to your next visit (so does RUTH!!!) - ohhhhhhh!
Round, visit, covers ‘n chat most appreciated!
Jan (JanOlov) at 12:16 PM Monday - Aug 27th: Chat for Lars - Pix for all!
Another round too!
Ron (DD1) at 4:09 PM Monday - Aug 27th: Good to see ya again, was wondering what was going on down in "Mississip" . . . <grin>
Drawing, Pix ‘n round appreciated!
Pete (pwolfe) at 9:56 PM Monday - Aug 27th: A finer Post will not be seen in these parts, as our Bar Chandler made it "in" for his daily offering. Nicely done, Mate!
What a great shot of that UP dome! Lars will indeed luv it! Didn't know you had it ‘til the film was developed, eh Now that's a great surprise, fer sure, fer sure!
Wouldn't it have been something to travel aboard that KCS we saw in KCity What a great preserved train they've got ‘n it's a special event to see her at Union Station. We were most fortunate that day to see so many fine looking displays, eh
Figured you'd like the Pullman Post! They were at the top of their game, back in the day, eh
Your Email was received - thanx for the prompt reply ‘n concurrence to get the RR Book Relay going!
Round, visit, link, foto ‘n chat most appreciated!
Eric (EricX2000) at 11:27 PM Monday - Aug 27t
Leon, I know I am early tonight but I need to get some sleep. So I'll just have a hamburger, cheeseburger, tonight!
Monday! Says it all, doesn't it? No comments from me!
Tom – Wow, so that train (Denali Star) had all together 9 Ultra Domes! Would be interesting to see a few pix from the X2000 in St. Louis in 1993 if you can find them. Yeah, I am a big fan of the Road Runner cartoons! I have quite a few of them on tape. Thanks for the Canadian RR History during the month of August! Always interesting to read. Would be nice to travel with all that service provided by the Condutor and the Pullman Porter!
CM3 – Yes, I have realised that I need to be more careful with what I am doing. I still have 2 weeks to wait until I will be allowed to lift anything. Hell Gate Bridge is correct! JanOlov – A streamliner is designed to pull passenger cars at a high rate of speed over the tracks, nothing else. Stories from the railroad scene? I really don’t know if I have that much to tell. Let me think about it. I like that picture of the Mine Creek Bridge in the Cascades! The pictures of the D&RGW 4-6-6-4 and 2-8-8-2 show steam locomotives that are beautiful in a brutal way!
For you and your dad! Östersund 1968.
Doc Lars – Yes Doc, I will take it easy the next two weeks! Promise. Nice book covers! Rites of Passage looks kind of sad though! The DVD BC Rail Collection would be interesting to watch! Drive carefully on your way home!Ron – Are you getting all necessary information out of that drawing to build that DD-1?Pete – Thanks for the ‘Jeep’ link! So they were in service until 1970! Nice picture of the UP Dome! Did you take the picture before the Rendezvous when your old camera broke down? That Kansas City Southern locomotive looks beautiful!
A PINT OF Batham's please LEON.
ALLAN Many thanks for the link to the NZ electrics. I see there were some pre war electric locomotives from English Electric and some later ones from Brush.
DAVE Are there any of the Sacramento Northern steeple cabs in the museum in Sacramento, the bride and I are hopefully paying a visit there next month.
It seems the ex SP locomotives are still popular on the UP coal trains through here there was one with UP numbers through this evening.
JAN Yes that full English breakfast had me drooling. Like the Wood St café in Rugby, you have to have the eggs, bacon and sausage, then the rest you add for 35p each, great stuff. Also I have had something like your photo in a Scottish B&B before now.
Great description of how you became to admire American railroads. I am fairly new to the U.S. and knew very little about the railroads here although I picked up Trains and Classic Trains after my first visit. It is mainly through those mags and Our Place that I have a very growing admiration of the railroads here, although I have to admit it is with a growing regret that I did not see the days of steam and the classic trains that ran over here.
I too enjoy reading the articles from the guys who worked on the railroad. To be in the company of old steam drivers when they talk about their time on the railway is wonderful and a privilege.
LARS Many thanks for the photo of Plattsburg station, a great looking building and the D&H diesels. Great Canadian book and video covers, that Rites of Passage photo is one of the very best I have seen on a cover.
I have sent the book to Tom as he as kindly offered to get it ready for the relay.
Despite the dreaded 'Thimble' I have a photo for you. We have had many types of Dome cars but this is a dome on top of a dome. It was taken this year at Jeff city with the dome of the Capitol building in the background.It was on 35 mm film and I did not realise the dome was in it until I got the disc back from devloping.
Have a safe journey home.
ERIC Take it EASY my friend, no more injuries please.
Thanks for the congrats on the 2,000th post, with the slow speed I type at it is impossible to plan it, pure luck I guess. It is free Bathams for the rest of the week so have a pint on me.
Yes Irish railways do not get a lot of coverage in the British railway press, which is a great pity. In a museum near Belfast they have the Northern Ireland example of a Midland 2P 4-4-0,in Midland crimson livery, although it is 5'3" gauge. I can't remember when I last saw a photo of this loco in a magazine.
The ‘Jeep' in the photo is the last survivor of its class and it is preserved by the RPSI, and is used on special trains. These locos were that last locos in main line service in the UK when they were used on the Larne line into the 1970s hauling stone to help with a road improvement.
http://www.rpsi-online.org/locomotives/loco4.htm
CM3 Reading about the last days of steam, can you tell me if there was a celebration on lines when the last steam train ran in the U.S. I guess with the railways of Britain it was all one railway and the last run was easy to document. The British railway press is already gearing up to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the last BR standard gauge steam next August. Some people are asking why the 40th but I guess it makes sense as more people can remember and had worked on steam 40 years on whereas after 50 years the youngest person would have been 20.
Thanks for the congrats and have a Bathams on me.
RON Thanks for the very good Pennsy poster. Do you know what the ‘Curve' Premium beer was like.
TOM That was a really good of you to send what was said at the bar to Fergie. We really do have some special people at Our Place.
Yes it seems the early bird gets the free beer at Our Place. Luckily we had a lot of people helping our friend
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