Howdy again Leon seems the ole beer mugs empty so another guiness I think is required.here's a few new old shots for today from myself.Then back out into the first snow storm of the year here in my parts
Just a few shots from last summers trek to Ontario Northland country in North Bay Ontario.
enjoy
Rob
Greetings Tom and gentlemen....
First of all, my apologies for my AWOL yesterday, was a bit beside me...slept 14 hours straight I think it was....Friday to Saturday.... So I felt a tiny bit all day.
So I've taken it upon myself to keep things running smoothly today....
I've also hidden a few good quailty single malts, vodkas, gins, rums and tequilas to make this disappear into hour huge archive system....
pwolfe, 11-28-2007, 10:09 PM: 2.900 post already? That was fast...Well, time travel fast when you have a good time they say....
This cold that I'm tampering with won't go away or break out so that it's over and done with....moooaan!
Your pics looks mighty good to me mate.
DD1, 11-29-2007, 2:53 AM: Nice stamps! I wonder if unused railroad stamps of early 20th Century Limited and other famous trains are worth anything today?
EricX2000, 11-29-2007, 5:10 AM: Now here's a sight for sore eyes... Glad to see you again Eric. Sorry to hear that you had to spend time in hospital... I hope that all goes well for you having a few things removed...Speedy recovery and all that matey!
Nice pic!
Tom, 11-29-2007, 11:45 AM: Anything to make things easy....been doing a bit of catching up these last few days. Probably will continue up until X-mas and Hogmanay..... I'll try to stop by as often as possible though...
Thanks for the info on #50... Appreciated!
Da Larsman, 11-29-2007, 3:59 PM: Always enjoy your covers mate, gives ideas to future purchases, like Chesapeake & Ohio, Coal and Color....keep 'em coming!
DD1, 11-29-2007, 4:02 PM: Always enjoy your posts, informative and when they're supposed to be....amusing.
Tom, 11-29-2007, 7:27 PM: Great pics Tom....! Dome cars would be useful in some areas up here in north of Scotland...
trolleyboy, 11-29-2007, 8:56 PM: Thanks for the info on 2786, appreciated! I can't remember if I asked you this before, but what was the trolley system like in Vancouver B.C? As mentioned before I've got a relative that moved there in 1924...
pwolfe, 11-29-2007, 10:38 PM: Great pics matey! But, what on earth is that wee thingy? Is it something used in mines??
Gunneral, 11-30-2007, 12:49 AM: I'll do my very best not to do that, thanks mate! But, the way that I've been sleeping this weekend I haven't burned anyhting....
Tom, 11-30-2007, 1:03 AM: I'll get back to you regarding the competition when I've come to the last post.....if it isn't too late by then...
trolleyboy, 11-30-2007, 1:48 AM: Great post AND pics to go with it...WOW! Any idea how many ALCO's or MLW's there's still running in Canada?
trolleyboy, 11-30-2007, 2:17 AM: Part II just as impressive!
EricX2000, 11-30-2007, 7:44 AM: WOW! A pic from Nynäshamn in 1980! Many times I've been there... My dads parents used to live there and I love that place...what do I have to do to make you post more? Pay your bar tap for a full year? A private stash for the same time?
Tom, 11-30-2007, 4:35 PM: Superb post on DB's ICE!
coalminer3, 11-30-2007, 5:32 PM: Thanks! Believe you me mate, as da da boys say at work, if I go any slower, I'll be going backwards....cheek!
EricX2000, Yesterday, 4:03 AM: Silver Charger(?).....CLASS!
Da Larsman, Yesterday, 4:03 PM: Stunning pics mate!
pwolfe, Yesterday, 7:57 PM, Really enjoyed you pics mate! STEAM all over the place....YEESSS!
Tom, as for the competition...hmmmm...I think that Eric will hit the 3000 marc on Decem
Tailend Charlies....
Room-observation-sleeping car "American Milemaster". Photographed at the New York World's Fair, August 4, 1939.
"City of Los Angeles"; rear view shows observation-lounge car "Sun Valley". Photographed leaving Cheyenne, Wyo., February 13, 1938.
"Coconino," observation lounge car on "The Chief". Photographed: at La Junta, Colo., February 27, 1938.
Observation car, Nokomis; Beaver-Tail. Photographed in Chicago, Ill., August 6, 1937.
Observation car "California republic" on the 49er. Photographed: at Cheyenne, Wyo., July 18, 1937.
Observation car, Pikes Peak, on Denver-Kansas City Rocket. Photographed: Denver, Colo., November 25, 1937.
Credit: All above, Otto Perry and Photoswest
See you around the corner....
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers waitin' for the bAH to open!
Yeah, I know it's SUNDAY ‘n we're CLOSED up tighter than a tick <as our Cap'n would say!> but I've got the key <Manager's privilege> so let's see what I can come up with to help things along ‘round here!
Boris ‘n Leon are playing with the crittAHs, after having fed them their Sunday breakfast - Artie got his field mouse <ugh>, Awk the tray ‘o seeds, Frostbite the bucket o' ice cubes, Tex the saucer o' brine ‘n Juneau a chew bone. Boris found his LARGE jar of PPF ‘n Leon made himself a snout omlet! <yikes>
Looks like the CONTEST caught on - with short notice we've gotten a bunch to participate! NevAH will understand those who just can't find it within themselves to have a little fun - as if something is really at stake. <geesh> Was like this before with the other crew 'n for whatever the reason, still lingers on . . . such is life in the fast lane, huh <as our Cap'n would say!>
A rather slow day at the bAH on Saturday with a continuing noticeable absences from our friend Jan ovAH in Scotland - and Eric in Phoenix too! But Pete ‘n Rob helped to keep things movin' as did our Cap'n with contributions of the varied kind.
I just saw Jan's post - so he's still a member of the "club"! Yeah, I put those books "out there" for guys like you to purchase each ‘n every one! <laff> What a library a guy could have with those, huh Glad you are enjoying ‘em . . .
Cap'n Tom's Encore was a winnAH - really liked the Via Rail LRC material and the book report on Passing Trains <a good read>!
I recall when Cap'n Tom was putting together the May Rendezvous for St. Louis he kept asking about who wanted to attend. Seems to me both Rob ‘n I had expressed interest in going up to the Exporail museum back then. Neither did. So chalk it up to missed opportunities - life is full of ‘em!
Sorry to say that photo of Tom isn't the best to put up - not very much like the way he looks in the others I've seen. Kinda looks caught off guard. I think Wolfman is gettign even for that <snoozing> photo Tom put up!
One day I'm just gonna have to drag my sorry butt up to Quebec to see all of those locos, cars ‘n "stuff"! Speaking French isn't an issue - I'll just respond in Norwegian! <grin>
My Jints are in ChiTown later this afternoon ‘n I expect it to be a brawl in the first degree. Two ruff ‘n tumble teams ready to rumble. Just hope my guys use a bit of caution when it comes to penalties. Jints drop this one ‘n we can start looking at 2008 . . .
I see MY Rangers finally got their act together after a dismal start I the NHL . . . they are atop their Atlantic Division in the East with 32 points. Islanders are having problems though . . . as are the Knicks in the NBA. I'm beginning to "feel" like it's time for HOCKEY!
Some good college football games last night ‘n upsets too. I'm not a huge follower of the college teams, but get interested at this time of yeAH. Looks like the TigABs of Mizzou got dropped as did the MinAHs of West Virginia. For those keeping track of all this, wondAH what the bowl makeup is to be
Bring back the good ole days of 4 bowls on New Year's Day - Orange - Sugar - Cotton ‘n Rose (with NO prefixes to ‘em either!> I liked it bettAH back then. Was far less complicated for the likes of me.
From the Larsman Mobile . . . .
B&O EM1 2-8-8-4 (courtesy: Cincinnati Railroad Club collection)
CN #6071 4-8-2 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com)
MP #5341 4-8-2 (from: yesteryeardepot.com) (photo: Harold Van Horne)
IC 2-8-4 #8049 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com) Photo: Paul Eilenburger
CP - 4-4-0 #136 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com - photo: Paul Eilenberger collection)
Trestles....
View of a Florence and Cripple Creek Railroad trestle in Phantom Canyon (Fremont or Teller County), Colorado; shows granite cliffs, water barrels, and mile marker: "19D." Photo by: unknown.
Florence and Cripple Creek Railroad narrow gauge track in Phantom Canyon, Teller County, Colorado, spans a trestle by Eightmile Creek; a locomotive is in the distance. Photo by: L. C. McClure.
View from Point Sublime on Cripple Creek Short Line towards the Plains with Broadmoor Hotel and Casino, Cheyenne Lake and Trianon (later called Claremont, C.A. Baldwin's residence) in Colorado Springs, Colorado; wooden trestle, foreground; Colorado Springs and Cripple Creek District Railway. Photo by: L.C. McClure.
Ophir Loop, a railroad trestle of the Rio Grande Southern Railroad in southwestern Colorado, winds around a rocky hillside. Portions of the track are supported by wood posts. Photo by: Jesse L. Nusbaum.
Freight, northbound, on the Rio Grande Southern; 24 cars, 20 helping. Photographed: on trestle near Franklin, Colo., September 6, 1941. Photo by: Otto Perry.
Rocky Mountain Railroad Club excursion crossing high trestle; 6 cars. Photographed: above Ophir, Colo., September 2, 1951. Photo by: Otto Perry.
Credit: All above, Photoswest.
Just some more pics to enjoy with your Monday morning coffee....
View of Chesapeake and Ohio steam locomotive 4-6-4 with a railroad post office car and passenger coaches in the yards in Columbus, Ohio. A double-header freight train and a steel bridge are in the distance. Robert W. Richardson
View of Norfolk and Western Railway Company 2-8-8-2 mallet locomotive, #2088 and freight cars near a passenger platform and signal tower in Circleville (Pickaway County), Ohio. A man in a suit walks in the railroad yard. Shows automobiles and commercial buildings. Robert W. Richardson
Soldier Summit, Utah, is a Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad terminal/switch yard covered in snow. Locomotives, freight and passenger cars, and cabooses are on the tracks, and men work picking ice from the switches. Passengers emerge at the depot; employee houses dot the hill to the side. George L. Beam
Workers tend to a derailed "Burlington Route" passenger train at Union Station in Denver, Colorado. Shows train tracks and canopy shelters; building sign reads: "Meadow Gold Butter." Harry M. Rhoads.
View of the Union Pacific Railroad roundhouse in Rawlins (Carbon County), Wyoming; shows locomotives, trains, a turntable, and shops. The town and snow dotted hills are in the distance. Lucius Beebe.
View of Denver Tramway Company North Division car barn at West 30th (Thirtieth) Avenue and Gallup Street (later Zuni Street), Denver, Colorado; shows electric street railway cars, stalls, and men in uniforms or coveralls. Charles L. McClure.
Credit: photoswest
I never realized that diesel-electrics were equipped with third rail pickups, naturally to operate in underground tunnels like in NYC and Philadelphia. Question: Did they shut down the diesel when going through a tunnel, or just idle it? Was the transfer from diesel-generator to third rail automatic as in ABT(automatic bus transfer), or MBT(manual)?
I watched a DVD the other night of "Mr. Bean's Holiday". It was a terribly stupid movie, but there were some very nice shots of the French ICE trains. Mr. Bean of course is played by Rowan Atkinson, who is a sillier Jacque Tati wan-a-be. Like Jacque Tati, Mr. Bean is involved in all kinds of misadventures most of his own doing. He is funny, but a bit too juvenal for adult tastes.
Many thanks to all who have posted those great pictures. I enjoyed them all. For those who have a taste for the unusual, here are a few pictures I've found:
Good evening folks , Figured that Id slip in the back way ( Boris showed me the way in , someone had to help him carry in his latest purchases ) Anywho I'll leave a 20 for some morning eye openners for the crew.
Per-Wow sir quite the spread of photo's for a sunday ( kinda like old times at the original thread ) Some nice choices of classic power 'n' varnish sir I don't have the exact numbers handy, but Vancouvers trolley system was a mixture some city lines but they also operated a couple interurban districts as well. A smaller version of the Pacific Electric in California. early 50's they called it quits and replaced the PCC's used then with at first electric trolley buses , then regular buses , now I understand the trolley buses are back on a couple routes as well as some private right of way electric MU cars full circle. In it's heyday teh CVancouver system was almost as extensive as Toronto's or Montreal's surface routes. If you go to the old bar thread I did a small piece on it. It was on page 225 of the old thread .
As to question 2 honestly I don't know,I'd guess somewhere in teh range of 50-100 Alco / MLW's still run up here, though all are on regionals , shortlines or industrial lines. None of teh big railroads roster them anymore.
Lars-A couple nice steam pics to tide us over as it were,hopefully Boris and I moving in his "new friends" didn't disturb your relaxation up in the managers suit.
Ron-Nice shots of some German oddities, one just has to love oddball work equipment.I'm not an expert,but I think with the FL9's the third rail pick-up fed right into the main traction motors and gen sets on the engines,so yes the diesel would idle. Someone can correct me if I'm massivly off base.
Here's a couple pictures to wind out the broadcast day at the ole saloon by the siding.
In continuing the vein of Ron's odd stuff here's a couple shots of the weird and wacky from Ontario's electric golden age.
A couple shots of the Sudbury and Coppercliffs RR's work car.
The Niagara St Catharines and Toronto's rotary snowplow #18
enjoy Rob
<"Our" Place Christmas Holiday Train>
A smile to begin the week!
The only reason I need these gloves is ‘cause of my hands.
<A Yogi-ism!>
G'day Gents!
Monday has rolled ‘round once again - so before trudging off to the job site, grab a stool ‘n enjoy a bit o' breakfast here at the Saloon by the Siding. Coffee ‘n pastries are fresh. And our <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts are ready to go . . .
Comments from the Proprietor:
Wonder who will make the 3,000th Post at the bar A CONTEST! Cite the date AND the person who will make that memorable Post . . . So let's see who can come up with the answer!
CONTEST CLOSES TODAY at NOON!
Prize will be something special . . . but you gotta play to know! <grin>
Lars sez: Dec 7th (Tom)
Rob sez: Dec 24th (Lars)
Pete sez: Dec 9th (Lars)
Eric sez: Dec 13th (CM3)
Fergie sez: Dec 16th (???) <half an entry!>
CM3 Shane sez: Dec 12th (Lars)
Allan sez: Dec 11th (Tom)
Jan sez Dec 13th (Eric)
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Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)
Saturday - Dec 1st:
Pete (pwolfe) at 1:57 PM: An early Saturday PM visit from our Bar Chandler!
One aspect of the hiking ‘n biking lobby that never gets much "press" is the liability issue IF there's to be an active railroad adjacent to the paths . . . No, once those paths get put in bid fair well to the railroad right-of-way for it's gone-ZO!
The way things are progressing with all of my "wishes" to travel here ‘n there, getting to the UK ‘n experiencing the "chunnel" may just not happen. But I'd like to take that trip to Paris ‘n return - just to "do it."
Sometimes the speed of a train can put a damper on the fun of traveling on the rails. As we've both experienced - sitting on sidings is hardly fun - but moving along at a decent "clip" is what it's all about. Zooming is another thing, entirely - methinks. What I'm saying is there are those who want to get there, and then there are those who just enjoy the experience of getting there. I'm in the latter category!
Pete if I were you I'd keep my "day job" - as a prank-puller, welllllllllllllllll . . . .
Those fotos from Germany that your Mate <Alan> too supplemented the German "non-theme" quite well!
Rob (trolleyboy) at 11:34 PM ‘n 11:40 PM: Always better late than never . . . two submissions from our Resident Ontario Connection!
Snow in your part of the world, eh Down here we were in the 60s (F) <again> with another day expected to be pretty much the same. "They" say there's a cold front moving in, but . . . Juneau ‘n I are ready for the white stuff!
I remember those ONR fotos ‘n it's good to view ‘em again - that's why we have Encore! Saturdays . . .
Yeah, at this time of year we've got all the critters runnin'
Barkeep....may I please have a strong black Java....and the usual top up with cigars for the lads....here's a few $$$$$, should keep them going throughout today. Whatever that's left at closing you can keep. Oh btw...remember to hand the boys those bottles down there please...a wee treat.
$$$$ for the cigarbox and Mr Wurlitzer....
Trolleyboy and DD1, that is some odd looking machinery, odd but interesting....
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!!
Ruth my deAH, you are looking radiant <as usual> on this rather gloomy, cold ‘n wet day where I'm at . . . but inside this place, why it's all sunshine! <blush>
JINTS WON! JINTS WON! JINTS WON! Looks like they got their act together, although I'm still not sure about Eli ‘n some of the others, but we're leading the pack for a wild card berth!
Set ‘em up on me - Boris ring the bell! And let's get those crittAHs fed . . . Ruth, I'll take a mugga Joe with a "BK splash" ‘n the change is for you!
Got a couple of really interesting movies at the Emporium . . . the "Indy" is one that I've gotta see again. I think that was originally made for TV. Anyway, the book is really riveting ‘n of course the entire story something all Americans should read ‘n take to heart. How quickly time seems to place those memories into a fog bank.
Top shelf work by Da Bossman on Saturday - as always!
Really a busy Sunday for a joint that's supposed to be CLOSED on SUNDAY! Yeah, I know - I started all of this some months back, but what the heck. Doesn't mean that the guys who want to take off a day - can't. For the rest, slipping messages through the mail slots "works" - so bring ‘em on!
Nice to see the support coming in from Jan - Rob ‘n Ron . . .
So, what's to do right now other than put up some covAHs from the Larsman Mobile!
Missouri - Kansas - Texas Lines in Color
Terminal Railroad Association of St. Louis in Color
Frisco/Katy Color Guide to Freight Equipment
Katy Southwest - Steam and Diesel Power Pictorial
Miss Katy in the Lone Star State - Vol One
Until the next time!
Lars
Now Arriving on Track #1
Back in the Day - Number Eight
The Broadway Limited of the Pennsylvania Railroad
The all-Pullman Broadway Limited cruises through Metuchen, New Jersey in the Summer of 1961. <Use authorized by trainweb.com>
On June 15,1938, the Broadway Limited was completely re-equipped with lightweight steel cars to replace its heavyweight steel cars. This was the same date that new, streamlined equipment made its debut on rival New York Central's "Twentieth Century Limited."
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Enjoy!
Tom
Missed any
#1 Pullman Company . . . . Page 102
#2 The Singing Brakeman . . . Page 103
#3 The Chiefs of the Santa Fe . . . Page 116
#4 The TurboTrain - Part I . . . Page 126
#5 The Turbo Train - Part II . . . Page 126
#6 The Train of Tomorrow . . . Page 133
#7 The Wabash Railroad . . . Page 140
Greetings Capt. Tom and Company!
Just Anti Freeze today Please and thanks and since Lars has put a aside a mixture of assorted libation I'm hoping he has included a bottle of Cabot Tower Limited edition Demarar Rum. Keep it coming !!! Been a rough old night and as you're at it I'll have a scoff of Suicide Chicken Wings.
That's a hint for all looking to surprise me for Christmas!
siberianmo wrote: Fergie sez: Dec 16th (???) <half an entry!> Fergie (Fergmiester) at 7:55 AM: Sat link must've been uninterrupted as our Resident Canadian Maritime Mariner has arrived sooner rather than later! Never quite know what we gonna get from our at sea customer - but having him aboard is a plus, fer sure, fer sure!
Fergie (Fergmiester) at 7:55 AM: Sat link must've been uninterrupted as our Resident Canadian Maritime Mariner has arrived sooner rather than later!
Never quite know what we gonna get from our at sea customer - but having him aboard is a plus, fer sure, fer sure!
I'll put a Pete in the blank as he comes and goes like a fall gale!
Lars: I should swap some notes with you as to books I have. If you are interested in Nautical publications (sry guyz I know this is trains but forgive my transgressions) try the Nautical Mind Bookstore in Toronto they have a wide selection of books on ship's that cover it all.
Well last night was something else! "Da Weather Man" sure botched this one and couldn't predict the winner of a one man race!! Gales 45-55 my caboose! Supper time was suppose to see 55 kts Try 80! then 70, then 60 and finally 50 at about three this morning and finally leveled out at 40 at day break. Good thing it was dark at the height of the storm as we couldn't see the waves which was probably a good thing. looking at the manuals and the fact we were in about 150' of water I suspect we saw a few 45-50'footers last night. Lets just say we have no Jack Staff to hoist the jack on the bow anymore" border="0" width="30" height="20" />
Yes Tom I think I can now say I'm one of the Elite, the few, the crazed and dazed that have sailed the the Grand Banks in a Storm and in December... Keep the antifreeze a com'n!
Anyway I'm exhausted so Later All
Fergie
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If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
Good Evening(!) Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (to go); round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
Just a quick stop today as we have been going since it was dark. Hey, guess what? It's pretty near dark again. This will continue at least through wednesday this week, They promise a short respite on Thurs. and then back to it again through the middle of next week. I'll do my best to post, but...Yikes, gotta load up for tomorrow right now.
work safe
Afetrnoon all , Ruth I'll pop in to keep you comapny while we await the pitter patter ( thudding ) of Leon's boondockers. I think a Keith's while I warm up a tad , oh here's a twenty for an afternoon round fer the gang.
Tom-Yup same old same old hockey wise. The problem with my leafs is the ownership ( the Ontario teachers pention fund ) all they care about is the 20% profit they get every year, and with thenm owning MLS&E ( Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment ) which in tern owns the Maple Leafs the NBA Raptors the ACC ( Air canada Centre ) and the Toronto FC ( pro soccer team ) It's stadium at teh CNE grounds oh and the AHL Toronto Marlbouroughs ( leaf farm team )and it's arena also at the CNE grounds, not to mention the concession profits, it's a licence to print money and not have to have a winnah as Lars would say. And you guys think steinbrenners a wacko genius I'd love to seea real team play hockey in TO but there's no need as every game is sold out ( years in advance ) Sorry I'm off the iole I think I need a top up Ruthy.
Nice to see that your Blues at least have somewhat rebounded. We will likely hit 90 points a miss the playoffs for the third year in a rowLoved reading the ole Broadway Limited info,ah the heady days ( daze ) of real passenger trains, if only they would come back....
Lars-Some fine Texas trains there my friend ,I'm glad to keep you company on the occational sunday ( seeing as I'm not a football fan )hope you guys have a top notch blast in the Keys,just stay away from the gaters and other oddities along the strip The bookshop Fergie recomended is really a top notch shop, I wouldn't doubt if you did find some interesting reading out there
fergie-All I can say is I'm glad it's you and not me. Just goes to show that the weather guessers are all the same no matter where the region or how many cardboard credentials that they have. Keep warm,I'll try to send some Nelson's blood out to you.
Oh just to update Pete, your extra ordering of Keith's has got the plant in Halifax burning the midnight oil to keep up with our / my demand.
A couple shots of the Keith's brewery I took in our August east coast oddessy,after several samples and a tour
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Bathams please RUTH.
ROB Glad you enjoyed Alan's photos.
Yes it would be great to work at ExpoRail, unfortunately my French is next to nonexistent these days.
Many thanks for the photos from North Bay Ontario, and those great looking work cars. I guess it was best to keep well away from the rotary snowplow #18 when it was tackling a heavy snowdrift.
Glad you were able to visit the Keith's Brewery in Halifax, Tom and I called there but we were unable to go on a tour of the brewery that time. Still it is another excuse to visit Halifax in the future.
JAN Know exactly what you mean with that cold you have, perhaps a real good frost will see the cold off.
Glad you liked the photos, there is something special about steam locomotives in cold weather.
Great selection of photos you provided for us, from Observation Cars, those great trestles and a good mixture in the last set. You can almost feel the cold in photo of Soldier Summit Utah. Many thanks for sharing.
LARS Yes a quiet Saturday daytime but a fairly busy Sat Evening and Sunday.
Good set of photos of the steamers of different wheel arrangements. I wonder what year the CP 4-4-0 dates from.
I see you are heading for the warm weather for the winter. I am sure you will have a good time in Florida with Phil and his Mrs.
Many thanks for the KATY bookcovers I think we saw a couple of those Terminal Railroad Association of St Louis diesels in the top left of the bookcover on our train trip at this years rendezvous.
RON Good question about the switch from diesel to 3rd rail pickup on the FL 9s. I would have thought that the diesel engine would have been shut down to stop the fumes in the tunnel but I am sure someone at the bar will know for sure.
The class 73 Electro- Diesels on the Southern Region of BR normally worked on the 3rd rail system but had a diesel engine for working away from the 3rd rail. The diesel engine could be fired up and power the class 73 while on the move.
Great photos of the unusual railway power, from the museum in Munich. Very interesting 3-phase box-cab, it would be good to have seen it on the move.
I agree with you about Mr. Bean, sorry you had to suffer it. It was a TV program in the UK, which I was happy to miss. It is hard to believe they made a full film of him. ‘
FERGIE That's sounds one of a storm; real glad you made it through with just the Jack Staff gone. My father told me of one when he was in the North Atlantic on a Corvette on convoy duty, one minute seeing just sea and the next the whole convoy on top of a wave with the big ships plowing through the waves.
CM3 Hope you are able to call in the bar soon.
TOM Two good films on at the Emporium this week. There was a piece on the TV about the USS Indianapolis recently but it did not mention the court martial afterwards. I watched a trailer for The Wind that Shakes the Barley provided in a link from DL, and it looks a good film too, and of course the Stooges.
I'm afraid you are right about the bike trail, even if they left the rails and built alongside once the trail was opened the opposition to trains running again would kill the idea.
I too would like to travel the high-speed link to Paris but only, like you say, just to do it.
Many thanks for the Broadway Limited ‘Back in the Day'. That was quite an acceleration from over 20 hours in 1912 to 16 hours in 1938 for the 900 miles. What a great list of trains that you could catch from the Broadway at Chicago in one of the ads.
As you say its ‘keep to the day job' for me.
Alan has some Photos of preserved German steam locos working a normal fr
Good evening Leon , I think another Keith's would do wonders this evening.
Pete-A trip to Halifax needs to include the tour. They do an absolutly wonderfull job, they dress up in period costume and put on a real show, definatly worth the money. The free beer at the end isn't all that bad either well the price is included in the entrnace, but still well worth the price of entrance. I didn't remember if you and Tom had made it into the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic which isn't all that far from Keith's.Tied up outside of it is the ;ast corvette in existance ( also worth the price of entry )I remember my great uncle who served as Cheif engineer on the corvettes and frigates during the war that what he remembered most fondly of his corvette ( H.M.C.S Drumheller ) that it would and did roll on wet grass Still for how quickly and cheaply they were built a tougher little ship couldn't be had.
Two shots of H.M.C.S. Sackville the last of the corvettes.From our summer trip to the coast.
Good evening again Leon , another Keith's for me please. Well here's part three of the two readers I dropped off for you folks a couple 'o' days (daze) ago.
CLASSIC DIESELS #43 ONLY IN CANADA YOU SAY PART 3
Continuing with diesels designed for the rugged and sometimes inhospitable areas the Canadian railways had to work in, made the locomotive manufactureres continue to put up some interesting locomotive designs, and make some design features that had previously not been done for the railroad market. One of these techknowlogie was the wide safty or comfortcab. Now a satple on most locomotives this was first a GMD of Canada inovation. For the longest time these wide cabs were known as the Canadian cab option for those few US roads that cared to dable. Once the extra warmth / cool / safety of the cabs was know they have become the norm. Back in 1972 GMD first put these wide cabs on SD40-2W's for CN on GP38-2W's also for CN and the GP40-2W's for CN and for Go transit. The GP40's with wide cabs have since been bought from CN by the KCS and some of the locomotive leasing companies.MLW an dit successor Bombardier also designed sme early wide cab locomotives in the early 70's. two such made it into fairly large scale production.
The M420 was a four axle 2000hp roadswitcher built by MLW utilizing the newer 251C prime movers.They were geared for fast intremodal type service and were geared for 70mph.Only CN and BC rail purchased these locomotives new.BC rail also bought a dozen M420 B's which carried their locotrol mid train raido control equipment and the BC bought them cabless similar to the various first and second generation B units UP bought, the thinking being that why put a cab on the midtrain helper locmotives and therefore save money for not having to have controls and cabs installed in some of your powered locomotives.The M420 was offered by MLW as an export model only the Providence and worchester railroad took them up on the offer buying 5 units in 1974, these differed from teh Candian M420's only in that the P&W traded in some old RS2's and MLW to save them money reused the AAR type B truck off the old RS units, all te Canadian M420's used the new Zero wieght traction truck. Later in 1976 when MLW was bought out by Bombardier the M420 was redesigned as the HR412 again only CN bought these, outwordly they were the same as the M420's in hp and in prime mover, the only difference was that the BBR units had newer microprocessor controls but other than that they were the same locomotive.Today the CN and BCR have retired most of their M420's and HR412's but most have made their way onto short lines and samll regional railways, some even intot eh various locomotive leasing companies motive power pools.
An M420 in CN's Niagara falls yard c 1989
The next wide cab Canada only Model Bombardier came out with was a redo of the old M636 six axle road engine. These were called the HR616's. Though tested by BC rail and CP only CN ordered these units in 1982 buying 26 units, a second follow on order four 20 was shifted over to GE (their first canadian sale since the 70 tonners in the early 50's ! ) Along with the wide candain cab the HR616 was also a full coweled body locomotive designed for Western canada service. They aslo featured the draper taper a cut out in the carbody just behind the engineer so he could have better vision backwards while backing onto a train. By 1999 CN had retired all the HR616's and as such were the last 6 axle big alco's ( 3600hp 251C )to be in regular servcie with a class 1 railroad. I don't believe any of them were saved from the scrapline. GMD also made several CN only full carbody locomotives for CN featuring te widecab and draper taper bodies as well. these were the SD50F's and SD60F's for CP they built full cowel bodied SD40-2F's in 1986.GE's order that finished off the second order of the HR616's by CN was their model 840-CM essentially a straight dash 8 but they had a full cowel body and draper taper. CN BC rail aad te Quebec Northshore 7 labrador railways bouhgt these units.
CN HR616 in Toronto's mac yard 1990
A CN SD50F in a frieght train c2002
The next one off is just that a one off. during the late 1950's when turbo chargers on diesel engines and higher horsepower became all the rage,Fairbanks Morse trumped everyone with teh introduction of the trainmaster and it's enormous 2400hp.Alco in the US countered with the RSD15 aligator with a few sales and GM built thier SD24's. In Canada similar large hp engines were being designed as well CLC did build a few trainmasters 21 for the CPR and 1 for the CNR ( CN of the fifties tended to shy away from heavy 6 axle locomotives as they were still in the process of rebuilding the light branchlines they inherited in the 1920's from thier various predessesor railways. MLW put forth a 2400 six axle roadswitcher in 1956 called the RSD17 powered by a 2400hp 251B motor this unit made the rounds CN, PGE ( BC Rail ) and the CPR all tested it. No one ordered it. In 1958 the CPR purchased the locomotive and ran it unitl it was retired in 1993. Most of it's life was spent in transfer service based out of the CPR Agincourt yard in North Toronto, The locomotive was lovingly refered to as the Empress of Agincourt.In 1984 it recieved a choped nose at the same time CP was rebuilding their fleet of RS18's.the empress still exists todaay in the Collection of the Elgin County rail Musuem in St Thomas Ontario.
The empress in Agincourt yard just prior to her nose job and rebuilding.
Enjoy Rob
Tuesday at the Bar by the Ballast ‘n time again to join us for breakfast! Check out the pastries in The Mentor Village Bakery case, our <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts from our Menu Board AND of course our freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee!
CONTEST underway and CLOSED to determine when the 3,000th Post will be made AND by WHOM! <date & person>.
Prize to be announced at conclusion of CONTEST!
Fergie sez: Dec 16th (Pete)
News from downunder: Allan (Gunneral) sez he's having major modem problems 'n will be off-line 'til the "shop" can provide a fix.
Monday - Dec 3rd:
Jan (JanOlov) at 6:22 AM: A wake-us-up from Glasgow! Generosities appreciated . . .
Lars (LoveDomes) at 9:02 AM: Ah the good life! Wintering in the Florida Keys - summers in New YAWK! <what's wrong with this picture?!?!)
Don't know how you do it, but keep it up - those book ‘n video covers are top shelf!
Round ‘n visit always looked forward to . . .
Fergie (Fergmiester) at 2:21 PM: What ho! A report from the stormy north Atlantic from our tireless <but weary> Canadian sailorman!
Surely you jest, Mate . . . your first encounter with a December storm off the Grand Banks Never would've believed that . . . nevertheless, it's time like those when you come to "believe" - in the integrity of your vessel, the skills of the onboard mariners and in all sorts of other things, eh <grin>
Hope when things calm down that you'll find the time to check out the great material amassed on these Pages . . . lotsa effort by the crew to provide interesting ‘n informative information to ‘n for the guyz at the bar.
Vist, business ‘n report much appreciated!
CM3 Shane (coalminer) at 3:32 PM: Our WVA Connection always finds the time to drop off quartes for Herr Wurlitzer <juke box> ‘n buy a round for the gang!
It's an ITCH sans the B when work gets in the way of pleasure, eh
Rob (trolleyboy) at 4:37 PM: Your fotos of the Keiths brewery in Halifax brought back memories of my first visit there in 1991 . . . A fixture in the downtown area, near the harbor . . . First "landing" in Halifax for me was in 1957 by ship- my, my how time flies!
Good to see some "evidence" of your trip to the Maritimes . . . more, more . . .
That's quite an indictment you put forth regarding the pro-sports scene in TO . . . ya know, I've always thought of the Leafs as a "class" outfit, ‘n probably still will - in spite of the reality. Somehow, I still "see" ‘em playing in the
Ruth my deAH, ‘tis I, the Larsman back with some Tuesday cheer ‘n a round for the house! Gimme a mugga Joe with a jolt ‘n a number three from the menu board if you please! <hungry today>. My, my you are as lovely as evAH . . . <blush> Boris! Feed the gang ‘n then you can have that small jar of PPF . . .
Sure hope that the Patriots play "that way" when they face my Jints! Those guys sure looked sad against the Ravens last night . . . also last week against the Eagles. But they were able to work their "magic" once again 'n come away with another victory. Gotta hand it to 'em . . .
So, what's been happening since my last visit Sorry if I seem to be skipping over the posts - don't mean to do that. I'm reading ‘em, but just haven't got the time to get totally immersed as I used to. <groan>
Looks like we're hurtin' a bit without Eric 'n Shane being around as regulAHs . . . also, thought Per (marthastrainyard) was due back and the end of November It's times like these that we need all the hellp we can get - especially from the irregulars at the bar too. <geesh>
Cap'n Tom came through with a great "Back in the Day" post on the Broadway Limited. A fine train with all kinds of nostalgia. Liked those brochure pages . . . more!!
I see Rob stopped by three times with all sorts of "stuff" including some fine Corvette photos. Those little ships did a huge job during WWII, but that was then and this is now. Glad at least one has found its way to preservation.
Pete provided another one of his all inclusive "jobbers," which makes for good reading!
Let's see what the Larsman Mobile has for us today . . .
Frisco in Color
The Illinois Terminal Railroad, The Road of Personalized Services
The Illinois Terminal in Color - Vol II
Good day Tom and all present. A round for the bar on me.
Jan: Some really spectacular trestles and panoramic views. I like those ground level shots. They really add a dramatic effect.
Tom: The Broadway Limited pulled by a GG1 is surely a memorable sight. Sorry to say, I have never wittensed it. BTW, put me down for Dec 15 for he contest.
Pete: This remote-controlled narrow gauge electric locomotive (with 3-phase power supply) was used on a tunnel line between the central station and the post office in München. Deutsches Museum München, 2003-11-25. (Correction to previous post)
Tom: The famous german Schi-Stra-bus (rail-road-bus) at freightstation Bonn. There was a train-show, because the DB was 40 years old. Theses trains are used from the mid-fifties until the sixties and could used on rail and on road. They were used in ways around Koblenz, Betzdorf and some other ways. (22/10/89) Photo and scan by Alex Strueder (Correction to previous post)
I posted this over on the Trains forum, but got a few negative replies. Maybe someone of this enlightened group at "Our place" knows the answer.
While browsing through a May 1988 copy of Live Steam magazine, I came across an ad by D&C Locomotive Works, that caught my attention.The following is a quote from that ad:
"D&C Locomotive Works, Inc., is now offering three objects d'art from the golden age of railroading - around 1880. Just as the engineer owned the headlight of his locomotive, he also owned his tallow pot, oilcan and coffee cup, all of which he took with him from engine to engine."
The question is, did the engineer own the headlight of his locomotive? If anyone knows anything about this strange claim, please let us know. D&C was selling reproductions of the tallow pot, oilcan and coffee cup only, but I thought the headlight thing was unusual.
Ruth, go ahead 'n secure for the day . . . things are that slow without a regular bunch to keep us afloat.
Lars 'n Ron were aboard this morning . . . more covers from Lars.
Sorry Ron, the CONTEST CLOSED on Monday - gotta keep track of what's going on 'round here by checking out the daily summaries . . .
Can't help with the question you posed 'n depending on CM3 Shane's sked . . . I'm not sure anyone else 'round here would have the answer. As I've been saying for weeks - we're really down on participation . . .
Thanx Lars for the ongoing daily support 'n great covers!
Now for my contribution for this afternoon . . . .
Six Pack Special Number Seven
RR advertisements from the Classic Era
Canadian Pacific (diesel)
Travel Canadian Pacific (streamline)
Travel Canadian Pacific (steam)
The Canadian
Banff in the Canadian Rockies
Canadian Pacific Across Canada
#1 . . . Page 107
#2 . . . Page 109
#3 . . . Page 115
#4 . . . Page 118
#5 . . . Page 128
#6 . . . Page 136
Good Afternoon Capt'n Tom and Sundry!
Easy on the anti-freeze as the worst is over! And since I'm feeling puckish I'll the have the "Mucho Nacho Supreme" with extra cheese and TNT pepperoni. Believe it or not this is my second attempt at posting this! Had the whole thing ready to go an hour ago and it got dumped... ouch
siberianmo wrote: Fergie (Fergmiester) at 2:21 PM: What ho! A report from the stormy north Atlantic from our tireless <but weary> Canadian sailorman! Surely you jest, Mate . . . your first encounter with a December storm off the Grand Banks Never would've believed that . . . nevertheless, it's time like those when you come to "believe" - in the integrity of your vessel, the skills of the onboard mariners and in all sorts of other things, eh <grin>
Yes it's true as most of my experience is along the Coast of Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Labrador , The Gulf of St Lawrence, and the high Arctic. This is the first year on the Grand Banks. And to tell you the truth this storm was a bit of a surprise as when it hit it hit very hard and quick. As the bow dug in the props started to come clear and wind up to about 220 RPM from 110 in seconds and the safety trip off for them was 230. Once they go it would have been pretty nasty. Hard to believe we re 200nm offshore and the water depth was 60 metres (2/3rds the length of the ship)
siberianmo wrote: Hope when things calm down that you'll find the time to check out the great material amassed on these Pages . . . lotsa effort by the crew to provide interesting ‘n informative information to ‘n for the guyz at the bar.
Actually I had been reading the posts in drips and drabs. Loved the explanation regarding the Broadway and the Photos left by Trolley Boy and Lars (Love the steam!)are always well received and will continue to be. I wasn't aware B&O had 2-8-8-4's. Those would make a fine addition to the MESS.
Pete: Never seen a swell run like that. Those come from the 3-5 day storms I've avoided and hope to avoid in the future! The Corvetter was designed on a North Sea Trawler design as it was hoped when the Corvette design was conceived these vessels could be built in small but numerous shipyards in England and Canada. Some were built in Kingston, Ont.
Anyway the following is the History of the Musquodoboit Railway line (The MESS's name sake)that is now part of the Trans Canada Trailway. I've ridden parts of it and man o man it is very scenic indeed!
Railway Heritage...
For scenic variety and beauty, there were few lines to rival the route of the Musquodoboit Railway.
From Windsor Junction, the line passed through Dartmouth, and then followed the Atlantic Shore, skirting beaches and fishing communities before turning inland. It passed salt marshes, crossed sparkling lakes and eventually reached Musquodoboit Harbour. From there, it followed the river into the rolling farmlands of the Musquodoboit Valley.
Prior to its completion, residents had to rely on boats or travel slow, rough roads to transport goods into the region.
In 1896, the first of several companies was formed with plans to extend the railway from Dartmouth to Guysborough, via the Musquodoboit Valley.
However, it took another 12 years before a survey of the route was even started. A year later, the Halifax and Eastern Railway Company sold the plans for the line to the Dominion Government. Construction finally began in 1912 and, on July 1, 1916, the line was officially opened to Upper Musquodoboit.
The coming of the Railway brought many changes to the region. The economy got an immediate boost as lumber, pulpwood, limestone and beach gravel were moved to markets. The Railway brought regular passenger service to the region and general merchandise to waiting customers.
As the popularity of the automobile increased and as improvements were made to local roads, the importance of the railway decreased. The 1950's saw a gradual decline in rail traffic. Passenger service finally ended in 1960 and, while freight traffic continued until 1982, the writing was on the wall. The track, itself, was removed in 1985.
The first effort towards bringing railway service to the area east of Halifax was in 1884. In that year a first railway bridge was completed by the Intercolonial Railway from Halifax to Dartmouth, across the Narrows of Halifax Harbour.
Near the Dartmouth shore a stone pier was constructed in about 35 feet of water and this pier provided a support for the swing section of the bridge. The wooden trestle-work of the bridge rested on, and was secured to, stone filled cribs spaced every ten feet on the harbour bottom. The bridge was 1500 feet long and was curved with its convex side facing towards the Bedford Basin.
In the summer of 1891 the government was made aware of the extremely weak condition of the bridge. On 7 September 1891, before improvements could be made, a mighty storm ripped two-thirds of the bridge from its footings.
The government rejected suggestions that a land route around the Bedford Basin was preferable. and so a second bridge was completed in 1892. This bridge, like the first was poorly constructed and not braced. It lasted just over a year. About 2 am on 23 July 1893 almost two-thirds of the bridge slipped into the water and floated up into the Bedford Basin. 34 freight cars were left stranded on the Dartmouth side of the harbour.
No further railway bridges were built across the harbour. Instead, in 1896, the Intercolonial branch line from Windsor Junction to Dartmouth was opened, a distance of 12.5 miles. In the same year the Halifax and Guysborough Railway Company Inc. was formed to build a railway from Halifax to Guysborough via the Musquodoboit Valley but no work was done.
In March 1898 the Musquodoboit Railway Company was incorporated under Nova Scotia statutes to construct a line from Dartmouth to Dean's Settlement, Guysborough County. Despite extensions of the charter no work was done.
Then, in 1901 the Nova Scotia Eastern Company was incorporated to construct a line from Halifax and New Glasgow to Country Harbour and on to Guysborough town. The following year the Musquodoboit Railway Company and the Nova Scotia Eastern Company amalgamated under the latter name but still no work was
Good afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, pelase (to go), round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Wow! Gas went DOWN to $3.09! In addition we are having lotsa cold and wind and maybe some snow overnight.
This is yet another short one as the current never ending round of activity continues. Had another long one today, and another long one tomorrow and also on Friday and then on the following Monday and for a few days after that. Things should begin to calm down by the middle of next week. In the meantime, I think we may get a turn at the keyboard on Thursday of this week. As the old saying goes, "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
TTFN
Work safe
ROB As Tom as said the brewery tour was not available when we called there, mind you it would have been a lot easier to get me in a brewery than getting me out especially with a free beer. It was a great morning we had with Fergie kindly taking us round to show us some of Halifax's sights including the ferry ride and a great model shop. As I say I would really like to return to Halifax one day and would defiantly allow time to see the Maritime Museum with HMCS Sackville and the Citadel as well as the brewery. Many thanks for the photos of HMCS Sackville.
I have a couple of photos I took from the Dartmouth Ferry
Enjoyed the Classic Diesels #43 Part 3. I was a shame that none of the CN HR616s were saved being the last Alco 6-Axle loco in service with a class 1 railroad but at least the Empress of Agincourt was saved although with the shortened nose.
LARS Glad you enjoyed yesterday's post. It seems as though will be without Allan for a while as well.
Good selection from the Larsman Mobile today. I really like the look of the electric locomotives on the cover of the two Illinois Terminal Railroad books.
I noticed today's test, the TRRA of St Louis book is the same as yesterday, still I think it is well worth repeating.
RON Many thanks for the details on the photos from the Hamburg Museum.
I hope you can get an answer to that interesting question about the locomotive headlamp, I wonder if they meant a handlamp.
FERGIE Real glad the worst of that bad storm is over, thankfully the engines did NOT trip out.
I have heard of Armed Trawlers that were used in the war but I don't know what duties they were used on.
Many thanks for the Musquodoboit Railway (how is the name pronounced by the way).
Is the Trans Canada Trailway a cycle trail after a struggle to get the railway built it is good the line lasted until 1982, did they ever run a railfan trip on the line after the passenger services stopped do you know
Love the part about how the line became known as the Blueberry Line.
CM3 Hope to see you Thursday.
TOM news that ALLAN is having computer problems, hope he gets it back from the "shop" real soon and he can join us at the bar again.
Yes the people we met at ExpoRail could not have been better. As soon as they saw we were interested in their great exhibits they came up for a talk. A lot of people who do not know about locomotives and railroad equipment would love to know more, like those who gathered round CM3 as he explained the workings of the steam loco at the museum he visited recently.
I bet that was a memorable lunch aboard HMCS Sackville .
Those Canadian photos of yours on our trip are well worth looking at Thought I had lost one set of your photos Sat but the bride got them back, I really enjoy watching them in ‘slideshow' especially as I did not have a lot of luck with the brides digital camera I used.
Many thanks for the Classic Advertisements from the Classic Era from the Canadian Pacific. The ‘travel' one looks very much like it is from the 1930s, all good but I think my favorites are the Canadian and the Banff ones.. Thanks for sharing
Good evening Leon , I think a Keith's will definatly do well for me tonight,finally got in from work and can put my feet up for a minute or two.
Tom-Loved the spat of CP advertisments , thanks fer sharing them Yup teh Leafs have become a little less of a classy organization that they were,mind you thwey've manged to win a third in a row tonight and are back at .500 and right back in the play off fight, so who knows it's been a two steps forward two sometimes three back kind of year for them.
Sounds like you guys had a really good time in Halifax , beyond the shortness of your stay,those museum's out there are really something though.I will keep popping out the vacation shots here and over on the other thread.To the rest of the guys pop over to Tom's other thread to catch up on some of those photo's not yet shown here.
The dinner aboard Sackville sounds like it would have been a grand time of tall tales,I had the honour of a similar dinner onboard H.M.C.S Haida as well many years ago. My uncle knew the honourary Captain as they were old forces buddies and he dragged me along knowing my fondness for all things navel. Next time you are in Ontario I have to get you on board Haida, the last of the wartime tribal class destroyers.
Fergie-I'm glad that the weather's calmed down for you,nice to read the Musquoboit story again A good number of the corvettes were built in Collingwood Ontario as well Sackville being one of the Collingwood babies.
Pete-Loved the shots from your trip , a nice cross section of exporail. Some fine MLW's in those shots It was a pitty that none of the 616's were saved but they really were just reworked M636's and they were worth more on the scrap metal side of things. Nice shots of the Halifax naval dockyards as well, lots of the Atlantic fleets frigates seemed to have been in port that day as well.
Lars-Loved today's offering's from the bookmobile,nice sel;ection of teh Ill Terminal books too
Okay as I grab another round for myself and those left standing,here's a bit more reading from the trolleybarn
CLASSIC STEAM #39 ONTARIO'S THIRD MAINLINE THE CANADIAN NORTHERN
Well we will tell the tale ( an abriviated version ) of the "third" national dream in Canada.The Stroy of Mackenzie and Mann and the rail empire that never quite made it.
In 1895, another chapter in Canadian railway history began. In that year the famous Canadain partners,William MacKenzie and Donald Mann bought the failing Manitoba railway , The Lake Manitoba Railway & Canal Company.And with this purchase they began assembling a network of unused charters and undervalued lines that would eventually stretch from coast to coast.The key link in this chain of railways would be the connecting link running between Ottawa and Toronto.They didn't seem bothered by the fact that two other mainlines were already destined to run east from Toronto,the 50 year old Grand Trunk and the line proposed by the CPR.
By the time the line was under construction, most of the towns along the line were well established. The GT had taken up the best station grounds close to the downtowns, and left the fledgling Canadian Northern ( CnoR ) the inferior alignments on the outskirts of the towns.The route ventured northeast from Toronto far to the north of Oshawa and Bowmanville and was unable to get a desirable run close to Lake Ontario until it reached Port Hope.from there the next amjor town was Desoronto, where the line followed closly that of the GT at times running parallell.
Between Napanee and Sydenham ( north of Kingston ) the CnoR incorporated the existing Bay of Quinte RR ( BQ ) but from there they laid their own trackage into Ottawa.From Ottawa the route continued along the south shore of the Ottawa river to Hawksbury, where it crossed into Quebec sending spearate branches to Montreal and Quebec City.
The Blind ambition of building this and the third trancontinental mainline the Grand Trunk Pacific, however lead to the CnoR's downfall.The completion of three national mainlines, and three east of Toronto wiht all the extra branches to feed them essentially duplicated each others services.With the world on the verge of a world war, this had the makings of a financial disaster. By wars end two of these lines were bankrupt. The GT Pacific and the CnoR.With the government owned Intercolonial in the maritimes not being much more healthy.
In an effort to save the bleeding red of these essential services ( for movuing goods and people and to avaoid a national financial crash ) Tjhe federal government decided to rationalize the redundant netwok of trakage that spiderwebbed it's way accross Ontario and much of the country.In this way the Federal government assumed control of the GTP, the CnoR & the Intercolinial forming the Canadian National Railways ( much to the dismay of the CPR )
Under the new CNR banner, the lines that at one point were heated rivals were now suddenly redundant.This was espeacially eveident in the extra trackage east of Toronto.The CNR did not need twwo mainlines running side by side serving the same communities etc. So the more profitable line was retained.So in 1936 the least profitable line was abandonned, MacKenzie & Mann's CnoR. The line only ran for two decades, yet track remained in place until the 1940's when the metal was torn up for the war effort. Some trackage of this eastern portion of the CnoR still remains in use today in Oshawa and Coburg, but only as stub ended industrial spurs feeding the old GT mainline.
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, still working as hard as ever!?! Looks real nice here tonight! How about Rumpsteak Café de Paris? That is what I need after a tough time! No, I don’t want to upset my stomach any more so I’ll have a cold Keith’s. I have been away for a number of days now, but I think I’ll be ready to go back to more regular visits starting tomorrow. A lot ot catch up on, this has certainly not been a quiet place while I was gone! The problem is that the medicine I got for my gall bladder almost killed me (that is how it felt). At least it knocked out my stomach completely, nothing worked. I saw my doctor Monday and will see another doctor today and hopefully that will take care of it for the time being. Just give me a little bit time and I will be up and running at full speed again. From above, in the midwest.
Eric
Wednesday's Witticism
Some folks morals are as loose as a busted egg.
Mid-week in mid-continent USA ‘n time to draw a mugga Joe, order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board ‘n sample a pastry or two from The Mentor Village Bakery case while you're waiting . . .
Comments from the Proprietor: Thanx to those who take the time 'n make the effort to read the words Posted by the guys here at the Bar by the Ballast! Means a lot to all who provide entertaining 'n informative material for the crew to enjoy! Reall shows when someone tries to "wing it" - never has worked - never will. 'nuf said . . .
Tuesday - Dec 4th:
Lars (LoveDomes) at 9:18 AM: Yeah, I thought we'd see Per back at the bar too . . . oh well.
Many thanx for the book covers - nice diverse selection from the Larsman Mobile!
Round appreciated - Cheers!
Ron (DD1) at 9:38 AM: Anytime a GG1 is in the picture it's a good one!
Appreciate your stopping by - sorry can't help out on your inquiry. Also got a "wide page phenom" on that Post . . . <ugh>
Thanx for the round!
Fergie (Fergmiester) at 2:52 PM: Always a "thrill" when the screws come out of the drink! As said earlier, times like those makes one a "believer"!
Finally got the straight skinny on the "MESS" - awwwwwwwwright! Appreciate the effort to put all of that together, especially given your circumstances. Five Salute to our Resident Canadian Maritime Mariner!
Blueberries along the right-of-way can't be all that bad - now for some cream to go with it!
Just a bit of <braggin'> about this bar of ours - we pride ourselves on providing meaningful information regarding Classic Trains (REAL of course, with occasionally some models thrown in on Wednesdays!) . . . stick around, Mate - you'll be amazed at what gets provided by our crew here in the Ether.
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 3:03 PM: Not to worry Mate - we're most pleased to have you remember us than to stay away for reasons of work <of all things!>
Wonderin' if you've mailed the RR Book Relay yet?!?! If so, please ship me an Email with the date mailed . . . thanx!
Many thanx for the continuing support, round ‘n quarters for Herr Wurlitzer!
Pete (pwolfe) at 4:40 PM: Just a minor point of order Sir Pete - it was WE who took Chief Mate Fergie on the ferry ride to Dartmouth ‘n back! That was on our schedule all along . . .
Really enjoyed seeing the fotos from our trip once again . . . always brings back some fine memories, eh We had a glorious time of it over all . . .
Just noticed that 4563 foto looks on the "narrow" side . . . an illusion, eh
Best go easy on Manager Lars, otherwise he'll find something <else> for you to DO ‘round here! <yikes>
Thought you had put my trip fot
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