Morn' Ruth.
Sorry to clomp in this early, and bother you. But I need my strong balck wake up mug of coffe, and a plain, grease dripping donut. Eh, make that two donuts. Thank you.
I am Sven, new to the neighborhood. My full name is Sven Olov, so if anybody tells you jokes about those Sweeds Sven and Oli, I am both of them.
Anyhow, a short story about one of my US Classic Train experiences, just to justify my being here. While I still lived in Sweden, my US bride insisted on us vacationing in her homeland every year. As I had a position at the Swedish State Railroads, SJ for short, that rendered my free railpasses around the world, we mostly travelled by rail on our vacations. This time, April 1977, we had a sleeper on the Southern Crescent from Washington, DC to Los Angeles, CA. (New Orleans - LA = Sunset Limited) The sleeper was unhooked for 24 hours in New Orleans, and we used it as our hotel. For some hours the Freedom Train, povered by fomer Southern Pacific GS-4, 4-8-4 Northern #4449, stood at the track opposite our sleeper. I had the opportunity to chat with the crew, and also climb aboard the engine. I have a very faded photo of the occation in one of my albums. Anyhow, this was a clip from one of many great rail trip memories twirling around in my head.
Ruth, is it OK to give Awk a nibble of my donut?
Lars, Tom, Pete, and more, thank you for your welcoming words. I already feel at home.
Eric, I'll try to behave, and thank you for helping me around. By the way, is there any spell check here?
Time for departure, and switch out on the daily grid line.
Sven (have always dreamt about being a cowboy)
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house
Rob, thanks for the info on Alco diesels. I was and am a dunce on locomotive particulars but I know what's photogenic: the PA-1. Hey was that a re-run? You forgot to edit me out.
Welcome Sven. You, Eric, Per and JanOlov will make a fine barbershop quartet. Listening forward to hearing "Sweet Adeline" in Swedish.
Thanks guys for the good reception to the Pearl Harbor pics. My uncle was in the Army Air Corps at Hickam Field that day.
There's tunnels, there's tire innards, and there's tubes, which these links go down the
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Mike
<"Our" Place Christmas Holiday Train>
G'day Gents!
Running late this AM . . . the bride is finished with her semester of agonizing the students . . . so perhaps we'll sleep "in" more often <Juneau permitting, that is!>
The Tuesday that wasn't - but there's always next week for the Wolfman 'n Moi to get together for this 'n that . . .
Temps here are in the lo-40s (F) 'n the ice is gone . . . it's foggy 'n trying to drizzle. "They" say we'll be sloppy thru tomorrow . . . oh well, it IS late fall. <grin>
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)
Monday - Dec 10th:
Pete (pwolfe) at 11:05 AM: Hard to believe it, YOURS was the first daylite visit to the bar! That doesn't happen very often . . .
Sorry that our get together got scrapped by the ice situation here in Missouri. However, there's always next week! I'm sure the brew will "keep" another week, eh
From what you've said ‘n what I've read, central MO really got <swacked> this time. We on the other hand were more fortunate in that while there was ice, it wasn't anything compared to other areas that are hurtin' . . . Appreciate the head's up . . .
Doing the laundry Did I read that correctly Laundry YOU, Sir, are the Bar Chandler ‘n have far more important duties here at the bar aside from laundry! <geesh> <double geesh> Division of labor <barf>
Only kidding Laura! <uh oh>
Lars (LoveDomes) at 11:38 AM ‘n 11:53AM: And who to our surprise should appear, but our Manager, the Larsman with a Monday spate of covers to interest our varied bunch.
Thanx for recognizing the presence of someone who will be joining us at the bar - Sven! I think this endeavor on the part of Eric should go a long way toward changing YOUR attitude regarding our Resident Desert Swede. After all, how many of our customers have ever found new customers for us <as in recruiting> I can't think of even one. So, YOU need to reconsider putting Eric back in the good graces of the Manager.
As for Pete, well . . . what's to say <grin>
Continuing kudos for your support over on "my other Thread"!
Sven (Sven) at 11:44 AM: Comments previously made along with an OH-FISH-UL aboard!
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 2:33 PM: Brief but dutiful . . . thanx for the info on the RR BOOK RELAY! If you've got it, let me know by Email when you received the book . . . I'm putting together the chronology of it all, so that will be useful info. Thanx!
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!!
Ruth my deAH, ‘bout the ONLY thing bright on this gloomy Tuesday is YOU! <blush> To dream of young man's thoughts in an aging man's mind. <groan> But ‘nuf of that! I'll take a jolt in my mugga Joe if you please, ‘n in fact, make it a "BK splash" if you will!
Boris, I see the crittAHs have lined up - trays in paws - so let's hop to it! No, no, no - that's just an expression. <Good Grief Charlie Brown> <grin> Anyway, Awk gets the tray of seeds - Frostbite the bucket of ice cubes - Artie the field mouse <but do it outback!!> - Tex the saucer of brine ‘n Juneau the chew bone. <phew> Ah yes, and YOU get the small jar of PPF!
A round for the boyz ‘n the change is for YOU my deAH! <double blush>
How good it is to see a new face at the bar ‘n it sure appears that our new friend Sven will fit right in. He's already addressing the crittAHs! <grin> Nothing like living in the world of cyber space out here in the ether to make things "right"!
Nice intro with your Southern Crescent story ‘n account of getting a chance to view the Freedom Train back in 1977 . . . you may like this photo of a Southern passenger train:
Southern EMD E8 #6908 (photo: Martin O'Toole)
Wasn't going to make it in today, but once again, the Mrs. has some appointments to keep ‘n I'm waiting here at home to go fetch her. The Larsman Shuttle is always on call! <or bettAH be!>
All kinds of activity at the bar yesterday - but it came in spurts. No mattAH - all good ‘n all appreciated!
For Pete: Hope things are getting bettAH instead of worsAH out there in mid-Mizzou country. I've been watching the TV weather maps 'n things don't look very encouraging. But then again, these weather reports covAH far too much territory to give an accurate view. But in general, looks like you're not outta the woods yet. Hope the Bathams is well stocked at your place!
For Eric: Appears that your immediate distress has slackened - which is good. Hope you'll get this all squared away 'n back to normal <whatever that IS!!> real soon!
Ok - I've given it some serious contemplation ‘n decided to forgive Eric ‘n Pete for being so intent on interfering with my "smitten-ness" with Ruth. So, I've arranged for the two of you to get hired on aboard the Can-Am's Trans Mentor Limited for the round trip I won. Of course, I'm NOT divulging my traveling companion ‘til we get settled into our onboard drawing room suite. <ooooooooooooh> HOWEVER, the ban for the Penthouse Suite continues . . . win some, lose some - others are rained out <so it is said>!
I hear the Larsman Mobile pulling up . . . so let's see what we have for this day!
BTW: That link Da Bossman put up is a gudun to check on what these books 'n videos are all about. Here it is again:
http://www.goldenspike.us
Interurban Electric Locomotives from General Electric
The Lima Route
Heartland Traction - The Interurban Lines of Kansas City
Milwaukee Traction (DVD)
Good Morning Afternoon and all Present; coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Gas is at $2.99 this a.m. as I filled up the FFO -Fast Flying Olds - on the way to work. We are on the warm side of the so-called "ice event" with temps supposed to push into the 70's today. Yikes! BTW this was going to be posted at the regular time for me, but the forum would not let me log in. So here we are.
Well, let's see what we have today. Anyone who got skipped or glossed over, my apologies in advance.
Pete visited with a good tale about the RAF and the radar. Also some fine steam pictures. The 0-4-4-0T is a bit different. Also appreciated the shot of the Union of So Africa.
Lars - Wins the contest. I am a Giants fan also and they are doing just enough to keep going. The scary thing is that we never know which Eli is going to show up, do we? Crossing the palm indeed, IOW in honor of the Season you want to hear "Silent Night" rather than "Jingle Bells" because folding money is a lot quieter than coins. Excellent selection of traction books and a somewhat different P Company item on the bookmobile.
BTW, enlarge the picture of PRR 4935 which was taken at Ivy City. Look sharp and you'll see the side of a Southern E8 in the background.
PCBs as mentioned in the article you sent along is indeed nasty stuff. We had to deal with some awhile back. Careful does it with that.
Eric stopped by with comments. Vacuum tubes need to go in the Forgotten technologies and Skills building which seems to be growing. Glad the book got to you.
Jan sent some interesting pictures. The "Oriental Limited" was the predecessor to the "Empire Builder." Although Luicius' writing gets a bit over the top sometimes, the "Oriental" was quite something - one of the few trains, in fact, to serve afternoon tea. The "Yankee Clipper," another train in your photo set, did the same thing.
The Fall River Boat train was, IIRC, one of the longest running name trains in the country - almost 100 years. My dad has lots of stories about the Fall River Line as he remembers seeing the steamers when they stopped at Newport. It's scary because what he remembers as to dates, times, circumstances, always (and I mean always) checks out. When we go down to Galilee (R.I., Boris) he starts telling stories and inevitably gets a crowd to gather because he recalls what it was like down there almost 90 yrs ago.
Rob sent along some more ALCO/MLW material - thank you.
Sven - welcome. The transcon sleeper used to run out of Boston. It was generally a Southern 10/6 car. I made several trips on it when it was around. Now you can't even get a sleeper out of Boston to anywhere - unhand me Boris, you mad beast - I'm not going to go into my sleeper rant today.
Mike sent ads - the Scriptorium site is one of my favorites - you can spend days poking around there.
Fergie stoppd by with comments. Re the C&O T1 - a question for the steam folks out there. Which railroad borrowed that design to build their own, and what classification did they carry on that railroad? This is an easy one, but we'll see what happens.
Last (but by no means least) OSP is really after the high speed rail material. Good stuff, sir. Also like your Christmas movie selection at the Theatuh.
In line with my "You can't get there from here" comment a bit earlier, let's turn our attention to North Station in 1950. Our friends to the north should enjoy this.
Boston and Maine Pullmans to Canada
In 1950, every night except Saturday, B&M train 23, the "Gull," departed North Station for down east and Atlantic Canada points. Five Pullmans awaited passengers an hour before departure. These included 12 section/drawing room cars from Boston to Bangor and Boston to Calais. Service between Boston and Van Buren, Boston and Halifax, and Boston and St. John was covered by a trio of 10 section/drawing room/2 compartment cars. Coaches operated between Boston and St. John.
The "Gull" departed Boston at 9:30 p.m. and arrived in Portland at 11:50 p.m. where it was handed off to the Maine Central who carried it to Bangor. Train 23 left Portland at 12:10 a.m. and arrived in Bangor at 3:40 a.m. where the Boston-Bangor Pullman was set out.
The Boston-Calais sleeper was switched out at Bangor and handed off to MEC Train 123 which departed Bangor at 5:00 a.m. with a 10:00 a.m. arrival at Calais.
The Boston-Van Buren sleeper was handed off to Bangor and Aroostook Train 1, the "Potatoland Special," which left Bangor at 4:25 a.m. with coaches and a buffet car for a 12:10 p.m. arrival at Vanceboro.
The balance of MEC 123 left Bangor at 4:35 a.m. and arrived at Vanceboro at 7:45 a.m. where the sleepers were passed on to CP Train 114. This train departed at 915 a.m. and reached St. John at 12:20 p.m.
The Halifax sleeper, switched to CN Train 14 at St. John departed at 12:30 p.m. It was then handed off at Moncton to CN4, "The Scotia," which left at 3:35 p.m. for a 10:30 p.m. arrival in Halifax.
Boston to Montreal passengers had a choice of routes, both of which originated on B&M 325, the combined "Red wing," and "New Englander." 325 left North Station at 8:45 p.m. and ran together to White River Junction where they split.
The "Red Wing" handled a 3 compartment/drawing room/buffet sleeper, a 12 section/drawing room Pullman, and coaches. The "Red Wing" was handed off to the CP at Wells River at 3:00 a.m. and ran as CP 209 to Montreal where it arrived at 8:30 a.m.
The "New Englander" left White River at 3:22 a.m. and ran via CV as train 325-21, the "Montrealer" to St. Johns where it was handed off to the CN. Its 12 section/2 double bedroom car arrived in Montreal at 8:15 a.m.
Again thanks to all for their patience with somewhat irregular posts. We're almost done with it (tomorrow looks crazy) and two days next week. Then we get a break.
Work safe
Capt'n Tom... And Sundry!
Large double double and easy o the nog
We finally made landfall! So drink up I'm running a tab for the remainder of the day as long as one of you can get me to my anchorage tonight safely. Ir was nice to get home last night and in one piece though the house was rolling and heaving a bit even before I had a glass of wine.
Sven welcome to Tom's house of libation and please make sure your up on the rules. Believe the if the rules are broken you'll hear about it in no short order.
Anyway must run
Later All
Fergie
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If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
Somewhat of a crazy day here in mid-continent USA - began with fog 'n drizzle - then the skies lightened up - temps rose 'n actually got an hour's worth of outside work done. Now it's back to <gloom> 'n wet . . . <ugh>
I see we've had a bit of activity (which I'll address in my AM summary) - good to see Lars - Fergie 'n CM3 Shane stop by!
Here's a little something for the PM . . .
Now Arriving on Track #1
Patron's Pix - Number Three
Explanation: This series features fotos from the guys who have entertained us over years on the Original Thread and here at the Reborn "Our" Place . . . As long as these fotos "live" in the Ether, why not have ‘em redone right here Many fotos have disappeared from view from deliberate or inadvertent removal, expiration of storage on "host photo sites" or reasons unknown. The first Customer fotos appeared on Page 17 of the Original Thread.
Many fotos have disappeared from view from deliberate or inadvertent removal, expiration of storage on "host photo sites" or reasons unknown.
The first Customer fotos appeared on Page 17 of the Original Thread.
Posted by trolleyboy Rob on 05 Jun 2005, Page 22 of the Original Thread:
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Posted by trolleyboy Rob on 06 Jun 2005, Page 22 of the Original Thread:
#2 Here's a shot of the "G" cars arriving at the museum in the late 1980's i think it was 88 or 1989 .
Here's a shot of the "G" cars arriving at the museum in the late 1980's i think it was 88 or 1989 .
#3 Two summers ago 2003 TTC celebrated their 80th birthday and we shipped 327 back to Toronto to take part in the parade of streetcars. Toronto City council had to repeal for a Day the old 1915 bylaw to allow it to run it's one and only revenue trip on the Queen Street line. Here's the shot from that day.
Two summers ago 2003 TTC celebrated their 80th birthday and we shipped 327 back to Toronto to take part in the parade of streetcars. Toronto City council had to repeal for a Day the old 1915 bylaw to allow it to run it's one and only revenue trip on the Queen Street line. Here's the shot from that day.
#4 & #5 Photo of the day lets see. Two I think before and during restoration shots of TTC sweeper S-37.This car came to TTC VIA NYC and Boston
Photo of the day lets see. Two I think before and during restoration shots of TTC sweeper S-37.This car came to TTC VIA NYC and Boston
Posted by trolleyboy Rob on 07 Jun 2005, Page 22 of the Original Thread:
#6 some work equipment for every one.The first one is one of our oldest functional cars W-4 this was built in the Toronto Railway companies shops one of ten work flatcars. This little baby is 101 this year. due to cast iron wheels we don't give it much running time.
some work equipment for every one.The first one is one of our oldest functional cars W-4 this was built in the Toronto Railway companies shops one of ten work flatcars. This little baby is 101 this year. due to cast iron wheels we don't give it much running time.
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Enjoy!
Tom
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Hi Tom and all.
I Believe Fergie is getting the ale today, so a Winter Ale please RUTH, which I was hoping to have with Tom in Train Wreck saloon today.
ERIC Hope you enjoy the Red for Danger book. We got through last night with just a short power outage although a lot of folks near here were still without power this morning but the power crews are working very hard to be people back on line.
I see Manager Lars has had a change of heart and we are to allowed aboard the Trans Mentor Limited, there must be a shortage of waiters. I must admit it is a lot better than I expected, I was expecting a big box of rags and being told not to stop polishing until Lars could see his reflection in the side of the cars and locomotive.
Is the train in your photo at Minot the Empire Builder do you know
ROB Hope you manage to escape the ice storm in your area, I think we were very lucky last night as it rained but the temperature stayed just above freezing.
Yes the maroon and cream livery does suit those OSR locomotives, I agree a clean locomotive makes a difference to the general public as well as the staff of the railway. I remember reading some drivers in the old days carried a cloth and when they were allocated there own engine when they stopped they would give the engine a polish a lot lot different to the last years of steam on BR.
Many thanks for the Classic Diesels on the ALCO/MLWs. It was good that Alco had the wheel arrangement and the horsepower of their diesels in the designation. As you say the PA series of passenger units were great looking locomotives.
SVEN Real glad you are feeling at home That is great you were able to see the SP # 4449 on the freedom train in New Orleans. Before I moved here I was unlucky with seeing steam locomotives in the USA. A couple of times, when my now bride lived in Kansas City, I missed a steam loco visiting Union Station there by once by a week and once by a day.
Watch your fingers when giving AWK a bit of your donut.
MIKE Many thanks for the two interesting adverts for radio tubes. It was good to see Stephenson's Rocket in one of them.
LARS Those E8s look great in the Southern livery; I wonder why that shade of green looks so good on locomotives.
We were very lucky last night it started raining in the evening and you could still here a few branches coming down. About 11pm I talked with a neighbor and he said the temperature was at 32 F, I think if it had gone down overnight we would have been real trouble as the trees around here are about under the most stress with the weight of the ice on them. It has rained most of the morning as well but the temperature is high enough that the ice is melting.
Many thanks for the Interurban and traction covers from The Larsman Mobile. I think those interurban electric locomotives have a real character about them. It was good to see a book about the Kansas City interurban; I think they are still arguing about a new light rail scheme for KC.
That is a good link to the books and videos provided by Tom. I will try to give you good service on the Limited after our reprieve.
CM3 Glad you are on the warm side of the ice event Thanks for the kind words on the photos, the next set I am hoping to put up of Alan's is of some industrial tank engines, a lot of which worked for the National Coal Board in Britain.
Many thanks for the info on Jan's photos I would love to hear some of stories from almost 90 years ago.
Enjoyed the B&M Pullmans to Canada, what a shame it does not run today. There would be a lot of the Canadian part of the journey to Halifax in daylight in the spring months. Thanks for sharing.
It will be interesting to see the answer to your question
Hi Tom and all,
Leon, a round of the usual Tui`s for all the crew please!
Sven. Welcome aboard mate, nice to meet you, sound` s as if you will have a lot in common with Eric and Jan Olav and also Lars, as well as all us other Classic Trains enthusiasts.
Rob. Am looking forward to those plane pics you have, enjoyed your write up on the Classic diesels #38, the PA`s were nice looking loco`s, especially in the ATSF Warbonnet colours.
Eric. Good to see your pain us under control. That picture of the X2000 is in the Salamander book "Railroads" " The 500 series" by Steve Barry, their are also another couple of X2000 pics in another Salamander book called "Trains of the World" by Brian Hollingsworth, they are nice books full of great colour pics.
Pete. Nice info and pics of my favourite A4`s, and a nice link to that Flying Scotsman loco, wish I could have been on that A4 trip of yours in the 80`s, jealousy will get me nowhere! Nice pic by Alan of the Union of South Africa, have a pic of it running on the NYMR, a Deltic also features in the article. I wonder if Dan is going on the A4 anniversary next year as well? I, like you, hope that National Express makes a better job of running the ECML than GNER did! Hope that Ice storm is`nt affecting you too much, saw the latest about it on BBC world this morning, hope you don`t have any power outages, stay safe!
Lars. Must have confused you with that writers name, it was actually Ernest Hemingway I meant, Somerset Maugham was one of his writer friends! Nice crop of inter-urban trolley covers from the Larsman Mobile as well as the selection of the Arkansas Short Line one`s.
CM3. Nice informative write up about the B&M Pullman cars in Canada, thanks for that.
Mike. That was an evocative Pearl Harbour tribute with the pic links that you posted, and a nice piece of history about the radio tubes as well, reminded me of my first Hi-Fi lash up in the 50`s, a Phillips 20 watt triode tube amp, Tannoy speaker and a Garrard turntable, and BIG BAND 78rpm records, ah memories!
Fergie. Nice to see you again.
Tom. I totally agree with all you wrote about our fellow man and human inter-reaction and relationships, it`s great to be able to relate to people, of course those who WANT to as you said. Unfortunately my other half will NOT let me re-mortgage the house at all! Enjoyed your Patrons Pix #3 highlighting Rob`s post and pics from 2005. Hope you are`nt being affected by that Ice storm thats in the main news at the moment, looks as if it`s safer to stay home and off the highways` looking at some of the "pile up`s" on the tube today, stay safe!
See ya, Allan
Well good evening Leon. A good stiff snifter of brandy I think wow the cold's really satrting to PO me even the cats are staying away from me.
Tom-i'm not even going to go there an email for a gift thank-you...<good gawd> who brought these people up certainly not the brave new world the web designers envisioned eh
Your weather today sounds just about like what ares was ( is ) hovering up around 2 or 3 C so just above freezing and it's been pissing rain all day long without a let up,fog mist you name it. For a bit I thought I was back in Halifax.
I did indeed see that the other thread was just about at the 2400 mark and low and behold Lars hit it. Two fer Two this week, I think he should try out for the Mets.
Thanks for reposting those memories on film today ( I don't have to repost those ones for a while now )The PA's are beauts, I've never been a huge E unit fan PA's yes but E's run a bit farther down on my paseneger diesel list. Likely because they are unfamiliar to me, CP had 3 CN none. Now get me into an FP 9 or 7 and I'm all smiles, I remember them well mostly in VIA or Go livery however.
Mike-Nice to see you swing by again, and with a couple o url's in tow as well, alls right in the ole ale house again <grin>Your right that was a repost , still I figured what the heck it's all relelvent info,one can never get too much Alco info anyway I think.
Sven-You indeed have caught on well , and a wonderfull story of calssic rail riding to boot that's just wonderfull I promise not to post any Ole or Sven jokes , I can't so promise not mentioning the Swedish Bikini team though
Lars-Yup B-ball just not my thing , I figured you guys got that from my rant yesterday Mind you if the Raps are in thebplayoff hunt I suppose it's the right thing to support the lads,I'm just not going to spend a whole lot o cash or time doing it. Another traction lover approved set of titles from the bookmobile today
Fergie-Dry land again eh well hopefully you will be home for the holiday's or is it Christmas with the Polar bears and seals again
Pete-Well I'm glad to hear that your guys are over the worst of the weather.We have only recieved the rain and boy have we recieved something like a half to three quarters of an inch of it, at least it's stayed liquid , and the snow and salt tfrom last weeks dusting has washed away as well.It is nice that Alco/MLW did try to have some method behind the numbering system. GE has for the most part as well. I imagine that with the horsepower ratings and axle numbers in the equation it would make a dispatcher's life a bit easier, in as much as he or she would know what kind of power the trains they were guiding over the railway were composed of.
I imagine that the last days of steam on teh BR were similar to CN and CPs ,pride went away the last couple of years up here as well.You see pictures from 1959-60 with staem engines all grimy and hard water stained, when less than ten years before they would have been wiped down to a sheen by the crews. In fact both CN and CP employed young boys and teens as engine wipers who's job were as the title would have seemed. They would wash down and shine the locomotives up to a see yourself sheen in between runs.
Allan-Yes the PA's really did lend themselves to some wonderfull paint jobs the lines oif the engine begged for an artistic touch. Have you seen pictrures of teh Delaware and Hudson's blue on Silver Warbonnet which they used on their NY to Montreal trains in the late 60's and 70's ,I have one photo of it which I will put up right now,keep your eyes peeled for some of the plane shots as well.
Some Alco PA and C628 action !
enjoy Rob
Oh well Leon another Nelson's blood please as he coughs and hacks over towards his stool. The sugical mask is a nice touch Boris , I'm amazed you found one that would fit your nose.Here's a couple of those warbird shots for you Allan , oh and anyone else who is interested
Three shots from the Niagara Falls airshow last summer. The Spitfire Hurricane and the ME109 are all owned privatly by the gentlemen that owns the local airfield. all are flyable and beautifully restored. Merlin's in both the Spit and the Hurricane, the 109 is the only flyable 109 which still has it's Daimler Benz in it. Most of the restored 109's out there wre retrofitted with RR Merlins.
The next few shots are bits of the Canadian Warplane Herritages operable fleet.
B-25 Mitchell in RCAF 424 sqd markings D-day
RCN Grummen Tracker from H.M.C.S. Bonaventure. This plane has now been restored flyable.
424 Tiger Sqd "Tiger Meat"CF104 Starfighter from RCAF tactical air command. This is a 1970's William tell Competition paint job not the sqd's normal paint scheme.
And finally VRA one of Two fully operable and flyable Avro Lancaster Bombers left in the world. It's in RCAF 419 Moose Sqd markings and carries the VC emblem for PO Andrew MYnarski on it.
enjoy Rob * all the pictures will enlarge when you click on them.
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, just a coffee and a Cheese Danish, please! Haven't had a Danish for a long time. A cold day with rain. I think the high was 57°, but that must have been indoors. Rob – We’ll see how it works out, Manager Lars has kind of changed his mind and is offering Pete and me positions to make his trip a good one! That kind of inspection cars were very common in Sweden too. They usually had a 4-cyl. Volvo engine. I would certainly love to have one myself, if I could use it. Thanks for the ALCO info! Interesting to see that MLW built locomotives with AC traction. Do you know what year that was? Nice picture of those ALCO's! Sven – Good to see you back so soon! You better be nice to Ruth (no, not that nice). Otherwise Manager Lars might not be, hmmpf, too happy! Thanks for sharing your memories from New Orleans! If you have more memories we would like to hear them as well! SP #4449 is a very good looking locomotive! Spell check? Not as far as I know. Mike – That will be the day, me singing in a barbershop quartet!?! I have an enlarged photo from Pearl Harbor taken from a Japanese bomber 12/7/41. It shows Ford Island and some Japanese planes at low altitude over it. Interesting ads for vacuum tubes! The Speed Tube! 7 2/5 miles in 40 to 50 millionths of a second! Fast!Tom – Good for you to sleep in whenever you have a chance! Cold weather in St. Louis? Same here, we had rain most of the day and the temp was in the low 50’s (they try to convince me it was 57°, but I say No way. I hate it. Where is the heat when you need it?Thanks for reposting trolleyboy Rob’s pictures from 2005! I have not seen them before! Lars – I met “my” surgeon today. He seems to be a nice guy and my surgery will be sometime early January. Which is fine with me. Just have to be careful so I don’t eat something I shouldn’t. Thank you for hiring Pete and me for your trip! We certainly will provide best service available for you and Ru... hmmm, your traveling companion!! Who cares about the Penthouse Suite? I mean, of course you do, but Pete and I don’t have any interest whatsoever in that old suite. More books on traction and interurbans! I pick the two first ones, Interurban Electric Locomotives! Below is one of Pacific Electric's electrics.
CM3 – Interesting info on Boston and Maine Pullmans to Canada! If I understand this correct this article does not cover all trains with sleepers in 1950? In your comment to Sven you mentioned that the transcon sleeper used to run out of Boston, generally a Southern 10/6 car. Was there ever a sleeper between Boston and Washington D.C.?Fergie – Didn’t you have the glass of wine to compensate for the movements of your rolling and heaving house? Hope you are allowed to stay ashore now until next year. Pete – I will start on Red for Danger this weekend! I have read a few pages already and looked at the photos. Interesting topic! Yes, we finally got the jobs! I am sure Manager Lars won’t regret his decision. But don’t mention any polishing jobs again! My photo does not show the Empire Builder, it shows the front end of the X2000 consist on our way to Seattle in 1993. We had two F40’s, a baggage car, a sleeper and the X2000. I am glad to see that you like the Green Bay Packers! That is my favorite team! In other words, I am also a cheese head!Allan – I have not seen that Salamander book “Railroads”. But I have the other one, "Trains of the World". There are some minor faults in that book. It says that the tilting system does not operate below 28 mph, it actually stops working at 43.5 mph. They also shifted the numbers about the Power rating, it should be 4,400 hp (3,260 kW) for each power car. No big deal though.
A round for the house!
Erichttp://homepage.mac.com/ericx2000/.Pictures/PV/Booneelectric.jpg
Wednesday's Witticism
Awk the Parrot
On a different note, here's a link some may find of interest on the planned rebuild of VIA Rail's F40 locos:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2007/12/11/qc-vialocomotive1211.html
Tex the Armadillo
Tuesday - Dec 11th:
Lars (LoveDomes) at10:26 AM: Really liked those Southern diesels! <sweet> Great looking livery ‘n something not seen for decades. I had the privilege of traveling by rail from Mobile, Alabama to New York City back in 1950 <I think> when visiting with my "merchie" father down in Mobile. He was shipping out for the Inchon landing in Korea - but that's another story. So, my mother ‘n I took the train home, after having flown down by Capitol Airways <anyone out there remember them??> The Southern train was super-special ‘n while I haven't a clue regarding the "name" of it, I do know it was a gleaming streamliner, pulled by diesels looking pretty much like the ones you depicted. Great experience ‘n greater memories!
How uncharacteristically forgiving of our Manager to be so gracious as to permit Eric ‘n Pete to accompany you for the round-trip aboard the Can Am Railway Trans Mentor Limited! I'd really be careful about hidden cameras, recording devices, etc. . . . Those two guys bear watching! <uh oh>
Another fine spate of book covers for the gang . . . don't know how you do it, but you keep finding ‘em . . .
Frostbite the Penguin
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 11:59 AM: Forum's Gremlins gotcha, eh At least they aren't selective!
Be happy you're not on the "side" of the ice storm that hit this part of the country . . . really <grim> for lotsafolks . . . but of course, you know all about this kinda weather living in "them thar hills of West Virginy! <grin>
REALLY enjoyed your "Pullmans to Canada" offering! A Five- Salute to CM3 Shane for yet another example of superb railroad nostalgia!
Editorial Comment: It's one thing to simply copy ‘n paste other peoples photos (OPP) as many of us have done, are doing ‘n will do. It's quite another thing to be ORIGINAL with the Posts. I seriously doubt that CM3 Shane has any rival when it comes to ORIGINALITY. Well done, Mate! A mugga Joe with a jolt - splash - ‘n jigger to go! You Sir, are an "Our" Place treasure, ‘n we are very fortunate that you've taken a liking to us!
Fergie (Fergmiester) at 12:55 PM: Home from the sea is the sailorman . . . appreciate your taking the time to clue us in, ‘n of course place an order!
Now if we could only figure out a way to get our Resident Canadian Maritime Mariner to respond to the comments made in his direction! <uh oh>
Today is Wednesday, which means: OPTIONAL TOY 'n MODEL TRAINS DAY! here at the Saloon by the Siding . . .
Now Arriving on Track Number Two
Electric Trains at Christmastime
#2 - Lionel & American Flyer Catalogs
1949 Lionel Catalog
1950 Lionel Catalog
1953 Lionel Catalog
1951 American Flyer Catalog
1952 American Flyer Catalog
1953 American Flyer Catalog
Missed the first one Check out Page 149 . . .
Ruth my deAH, continued gloom weather wise, but bright ‘n sunny in the glow from you - ahhhhhhhhh! So, what for me but a mugga Joe with a jolt! Then set up the bar ‘n give Boris those treats for the crittAHs (all nicely depicted in Cap'n Tom's morning report!) ‘n that small jar of PPF when he's finished feeding ‘em! The change is for YOU!
Must make mention of the great effort put forth by our chief bar keep, owner-proprietor Cap'n Tom! Whether it's those "Now Arriving on Track . . . " specials, or just the routine manner in which you make sure all who participate get recognition, you are most deserving of these accolades. A hearty well-done to Da Bossman! And to think there are those who STILL cannot find it within themselves to provide so much as a token of recognition <not speaking of our present company!> . . . Well, here's mine! 5- Salute to our mentor ‘n leader - Cap'n Tom!
Enjoyed today's installment of Lionel 'n American Flyer catalog covAHs!
Really nice to view the comments from our friends from near ‘n far - Gunneral (Allan) down in New Zealand - EricX2000 (Eric) in the desert where it's been COLD <brrrr> - pwolfe (Pete) in frozen mid-Mizzou ‘n coalminer3 (CM3 Shane) in beautiful West Virginia's mountain country. Oooooops, can't forget trolleyMAN (Rob) up there in wet ‘n dank Ontario <grin> - sorry ‘bout that cold of yours! Great having you aboard. I also picked up on our sailor friend, Fergmiester (Fergie), reaching terra firma. have a round on ME!
Meant to pick up on the discussion over emails replacing the "written word" these days. One of my sons decided that he'd go "all email" for Christmas. No more postage stamps. Since that included his mother ‘n me it "set me off" just a bit. <grin> I gave him a sheet of Christmas postage stamps the other day. He's reconsidered in favor of sending us a card (don't know ‘bout the rest of his "list"). I honestly don't "get it" when it comes to this stuff . . . seems to be the "in thing" for the younger generations - and some older ones too.
A couple of years ago we were unable to attend the funeral of a former shipmate of mine. So we sent an appropriate floral array along with a card with a personal note of condolences. Response After a couple of weeks I received an email mentioning how "nice" it was for us to do what we did. <ugh> Says a lot in my not-so-humble opinion.
I'm on a short tether again today, but would like to recognize our Toy & Model Trains event for this Wednesday - so here they come from the Christmas Annex of the Larsman Mobile!
American Flyer Catalogs!
1946
1947
1948
1949
1950
1950 (2nd catalog)
Morning Ruth, I think a BK splash and a number three. Grandma always said feed a cold starve a fever. What Boris no it's a figure of speach you are quite correct colds and fevers are too small to have a mouth. <sheesh> By any chance do we have a Transylvainian/english dictionary around ? Ruth had mentioned that she set up a recovery room in the back for me ,which brightened my day until she lead me back there and my watering eyes discovered that she had staffed it with H&H instead of the ladies of perpetual motion.So if I survive their ministrations with the various tubes and bottles and what appear to be rattles,,,note to self do not seek pitty from Ruth unless you are Lars
Eric-The AC traction unit was an experament between them and CP rail. One C636 had it's 251 ebibe uprated to 4000hp making it a C640, the only production 4000hp unit from an Alco power unit. It also had first generation AC traction equipment installed,from what I understand there was mixed results , the wheel slip has horrendous and it was high miantenance as compared to the DC machines in the 630/636 series.Pete posted a picture of it a while back the 4711 at exporail is just that critter. CP kept it in Montreal all it's service life using it as a tester and sometime cross town transfer locomotive.It's the reason CP took a long time to embrace AC traction in locomotives.Probably something in the range of 20 years, without looking it up the C640 was outshopped in late 75 or 76 , and the first AC powered GE's were bought in 1999.
Lars-I fine spate of Gilbert and American Flyer stuff sir 'm glad you set your son rightI can't believe that people will do that e -christmas , what's next an all electronic marriage and conference call weddings ? Ask me how a really feel about the "new" ways. Guess I'm a dinosaur,hey at least all we fossils are enjoying our limited "e-time" here together
I'm supprised that you've softened your stance on Pete and Eric , helping you out with your prize. Soooo Christmas and Ruth bring out the soft side of first mate Lars.
Also wow , with all the critters we have around here just a side note we are having a major meal spread out at treat time.On the upside the PPF Factory and Brine Emporium downtown is showing record profits, they may have to hire a second vat stir-er Most of your managers salery must be litterally and figurativly eaten up in critter treats.
Tom-Ah yes more grreat as Tony would say , Christmas catalogues, loved them.
The nice thing about your CP E8's is that you only have to buy three and you can have the whole roster, two if you model after 1976 as the 1802 was wrecked in a derailment.I think teh only reason they were bought was to , have "pool" power with the B&M. They were bought for the International of Maine Division and were built in LaGrange. From what I understand the CP/B&M trains pooled power and cars, so CP bought the E's so that the returning crews had locomotives they were familiar with. Once the pool trains stopped they were stuck in commuter train servcie in Montreal until they were sold off to VIA in '77.I must say that they do not look at all good in VIA's blue and yellow paint job
Likely Shane can shed more light on the CP / B&M pool trains.
If you think Boris's surgical mask is "funny" check out the white patent leather "nurse" gear Ruth decked H&H out in. "Undt this vont hurt vun bitte,bit down of zis vile we "whip" up a tonic "
I figured I missed the boat on the 11th and Allan was waiting for a couple shots so what the heck, breaks up the monotony donchathink ?
Rob
Ruth, I am sorry I am late for breakfast. Had to walk the dogs first, and got carried away in the nice winterweather, 6F, and clear. Ayhow I really would liketo havea Belgian Waffel with whipped cream and strawberries for breakfast. Eh - make it two, so I can share with Awk.
Pete, Thank yoo for the warning. Will watch my fingers while sharing my food with Awk. How is Awk's vocabulary? Do I need to close my ears at times?
Ruth, can I have some change for the juke box, please. I see some good music in there, Railroad Classics with Wayne Erbsen. I think I'll choose the Wreck of old 97, and Wabash Cannonball.
Lars, Thanks for the photo of The Southern Crescent. On the photo I think I see three engine units. In my notes fron April 1977, I see I wrote it had four engines.
Fergie, Thank for the advise. I read the first page with the rules. Are there any fine print rules too hidden somewhere? I'll try not to burp too loud at the bar.
Rob, Greatly enjoyed the airplane photos. Spent sometime in my youth in and around smaller planes in Sweden, Klemm 35, Auster, DH Tiger Moth, Piper Tri-Pacer, andso on. Maybe some airborne stories later.
Eric, I'll share more stories later,when I get more used to this bar environment. I am sorry that there is no spell check. That means you have to live with me exchanging v for w and so on.
All others that I already have forgotten, I enjoyed all reading, but the capacity of the storage space on the hard drive in my brain is limited, and I have to get a techique to read all entries, and then remember them. Lars, how do you do it? Maybe I can open two windows sideby side. One where I read, and the other where I write. Is that doable?
Ruth, delicous Belgian Waffles. Awk and I enjoyed them immensley. I will be bacK. If Fergie do not think I misbehave, and bounces me at the door.
Sven
Getting a leg up on the acknowledgments - never know what the 'morrow may bring!
Wedensday - Dec 12th:
Lars (LoveDomes) at 9:26 AM: Don't know WHAT we'd do without your steady participation ‘round here - seems that the morning "slot" - if not for you - has been pretty much ZILCH for weeks. BUT, "we takes what we gets" at the Saloon by the Siding! <grin>
Many thanx for the additional toy train catalog covers for our OPTIONAL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! American Flyer ‘stuff' was top shelf, eh
Believe it or not - we've experienced similar <gaffs> when it comes to being considerate of others - only to have ‘em pretty much blow it off. Such is life - ‘n in my OH-PIN-YUN becoming more commonplace. <barf> Hell, I'm STILL waiting for some people to get around to even acknowledging that they received gifts from us for LAST Christmas! What's that saying You can pick your nose, but not your relatives!
Appreciate the visit - covers ‘n round!
Rob (trolleyboy) at 11:16 AM: A visit from our Resident Ontario Connection, still suffering the effects of a lingering cold. Hanging ‘round H&H isn't gonna do anything for you other than wear you down even moreso. <uh oh>
The EMD E8A units I purchased for my Can-Am display case (and occasional commemorative runs on the layout) were made by Rivarossi. While the models are rather accurate ‘n good looking, they made BOTH A units for the CP <maroon & grey> the same road numbers! <arrrrrggggghhhhh> Haven't a clue why they did that. They also failed to put the "beaver" herald on the nose . . . yeah I know, both situations could be remedied. However, that's NOT my "thing" ‘n the last thing I want or need to do is mess up some fine looking models.
Oh yeah, I was wrong, wrong, wrong regarding my CPR <action red> locos - they are NOT EMD E8s - they are an F7A ‘n F7B . . . different numbers ‘n don't look all that bad <made by Athearn>.
Thanx for the additional insights regarding those CP EMD E8s . . .
No problems with the war plane fotos - brought back some good thoughts about Rendezvous I ‘n our visit to the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum!
Didn't know Ruth even had an interest in the H&H "gals" - she's pretty much avoided ‘em since YOU dumped dropped them off here.
Thanx for the visit ‘n chat! [tup[
Sven (Sven Olov) at 1:10 PM: Back again ‘n this time with a Post that has all the appearances of one being a "vet" at this Watering Hole by the Wayside! Nicely done, Sir!
Oh yeah, you totally missed the Proprietor! <groan> BUT, I'm very accustomed to that - we've witnessed those kinds of things pretty much since the bar opened up on April 12th, 2005. Such is life behind the bar . . .
I'm unaware of any "down ‘n dirty" method for the preparation of responses <inclusive Posts> - but I can tell you that I use the "2 windows method." And by the by, strongly suggest you prepare any Posts on a word processor program, for the Forum's Gremlins have been known to <gobble> up submissions - never to be seen again. <arrrrrrggggghhhh> Most unsettling to lose a Post that took "forever" to prepare. Using the WP <saving frequently> at least gives one a chance to try again.
The BEST way to keep up with what's going on ‘round here is to acquaint yourself with who the customers are - read my daily summary ‘n also review some past Pages. Maybe take 4 or 5 a day or even a week. I've found that working backwards - from most current to older - somehow "works" better. Screwy, but effective!
Another thought - you may want to add some "info" to your profile (time zone, for example, will have the Posts reflected for the area you reside in) - also geographic location - where are you We like to make reference to our customers - as you've probably noticed - by "Resident - - - - Connection" and so forth. And finally, recommend you create an Email account just for the Forums, so that if any one wants to communicate with you off-line, they can. We have an off-line "net" in use right now . . . so in time, you may wish to be included in it.
Most - not all - of our crew have profiles that give a bit of info about themselves - helps in getting to know one another. Your choice of course.
Great to have you aboard ‘n I'm sure the guys have already taken a liki
A pint of Winter Ale please RUTH.
ALLAN We got off light compared to others quite near here with the ice storm luckily.
Glad you liked the photo of 60009 and the link to Flying Scotsman, it is hard to believe if Mr. Peglar had not bought Scotsman from BR there would not be an A3 saved today, I believe that there was not a plan by the authorities to save Flying Scotsman so, arguably the most famous steam locomotive could have been just a memory, unbelievable.
I talked to Alan yesterday and he was trying to convince me to go on the three A4s trip, sorely tempted.
ROB I hope to cold gets better soon. Hope Lars doesn't find out RUTH you and the ‘recovery room' and H&H can get mighty jealous too.
It was the same in Britain, anyone who wanted to be an engine driver started at a young age as a engine cleaner gradually working the way up as fireman through the links to driver and back up through the links as a driver. I guess towards the end of steam there was no cleaners employed as they had enough fireman and drivers to take over on the diesels and electrics. Luckily I can remember when most steam locomotives on passenger workings were in a fairly clean condition with some steam sheds doing a better job then others. A clean Great Western engine looked a picture with the polished copper and brass work, although I recall the Bushbury (Wolverhampton) shed turned out the Ex LMS Jubilees in marvelous condition. Today's preserved steam locos are usually in superb condition.
A Great Western 'Hall' class in preservation days.
Suthern Railway(BR) No 850 Lord Nelson after a recent overall with a great paint finish on the locomotive
Those PAs did look great in that D&H livery.
Many thanks for the photos of those historic and classic aircraft. I did not realize that there are only two Lancasters flyable today. The people who keep these great aircraft operable deserve a great deal of credit, in my opinion.
I did not realize that CP 4711 was a locomotive with a past when I took the photo (I have lost my guide book) many thanks for the info on it, it sounds as though there was a lot of problems with the control system
ERIC Too right about the Penthouse Suite, being banned means I don't have to cart that expensive wine etc up the stairs.
Thanks for the info on the Minot photo, I like to find out where the fueling stops are on the long distance Amtrak, as it seems those are the only places where one can get off the trains for a few minutes.
Another Packers fan. I see Tom would like to see a Packers game, it would be a great place for a fall mini rendezvous, and I will put a bit more about Green Bay in Toms post.
Many thanks for the photo of the Pacific Electric locomotive.
LARS Well said indeed about TOM.
I must agree with you about the e-mails, although I am this side of the ‘pond' I still send Christmas Cards to England.
Many thanks for the American Flyer catalogs from the Christmas Annex. I think that 1946 one is one of the best I have seen; to me it captures how we felt as youngsters seeing a rare steam locomotive.
SVEN AWK spends the Friday nights in the bar with the track gang so his vocabulary is quite extensive. If you burp at the bar, blame BORIS, that's what I do.
I am fairly new to computers, now I write the post to the bar on the Word Processor with Our Place on another window and go between the two, after reading the posts. Tom advised me to use word as I kept losing posts. I keep it in word until it has been transferred and on the Our Place page. I am sure Tom will explain this clearer than me.
Looking forward to more of your stories.
TOM Thanks for the link to re-building of the Via Rail F40s, surely the green and yellow livery will be better than the ‘Spiderman' one.
Very much agree with your Editorial Comment to CM3.
They are saying we may get a bit of snow toni
Good day Tom and all at the bar. A round of drinks if you please. Tom, I hope you survived the ice storms in your state. This is crazy weather. The temperatures here in Ms have been in the low 80's with lots of humidity. It really feels like summer. I have to change shirts two or three times a day. I haven't been able to visit lately due to all the obligations that keep me busy between family matters to paying bills, grocery shopping. Fixing my truck, kitchen cabinets, etc. I've also sort of run out of steam. Researching information on the web is taking too much of my time and so I need to back off a bit. Don't give up completely on me, but don't expect me to drop in on a regular basis. About all the time I get is to read the E-mails that come to me from "Classic Trains". I wish I had more time. I see you have a new visitor, Sven Olov. He sounds like the right kind of guy for "Our place". The Swedes certainly have a great knowledge of railroads and are an asset to "Our place".
The wife is still in Chile, but will be back on the 18th. She has concluded her business there and is taking in a little R&R. She tells me the crime situation is bad in the capital city of Santiago. It is not safe to go out. They recognize you either as a tourist or just from somewhere else and target you. The crime is non violent. Purse snatching, wristwatch and jewelry snatching is about the worst there. Even though she was born and raised in Chile and speaks the language, the street people can spot her a mile away. I guess by the way she is dressed and by mannerisms picked up in the U.S. She says she can't wait to come back to the good old U.S. of A.
I went and did a little Christmas shopping the other day. I'm still trying to figure what to get for the wife.
The brakes on my truck went out and my son said he would fix them. He is trying to drum up some business for his trucking and hauling business. His truck is finally in good condition after all the work he has put into it. Maybe this coming year will be good to him.
The loco model is coming along. Slowly, but surely. Just received more parts from Mc Master-Carr. Nuts, bolts, metals, etc. I believe Allan asked me about the wood I'm using. I mill all the wood myself from hard and soft woods. So far, I've had to buy two sheets of plywood. The rest of the materials, I got from a local cabinet shop. I got a 24V motor from a scooter, complete with sprockets and chain. It will fit perfectly. The completed loco should have enough power to transport a passenger. The only real problem I've come up against is humidity. Some of the wood parts that require sliding fits are affected by changes in humidity. That is one thing I have to address and resolve. If the loco was in a controlled environment (like the house), no problem, but if I want it to operate outdoors, some redesign may be necessary.
After looking at all the E-mails, you guys are doing a first class job of coming up with great pictures. I liked the catalog covers of Lionel and American Flyer, the 0-4-4-0T engine. (I'm especially interested in odd-looking equipment).
I learned that Shanghai, China has the first maglev train in operation. Although they were the last to build steam engines, it appears, from what I've heard, they have abandoned steam altogether and embraced the latest technologies. There are several maglev projects (studies) presently going on in the U.S. It doesn't look too promising, except for the Philadelphia one which will connect to the airport. Right now, getting to and from the airport is a real hassle, which a maglev seems to be the perfect answer. High-speed trains may be a more promising answer to maglev because the right-of-way is already in place. The nice thing I heard about maglev, is it can negotiate 10% grades at top speed, something that suits our hilly terrain.
Herr Wurlitzer <juke box>
It's here! The day before Friday has arrived <grin> ‘n time again to check out our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast. Draw a mugga freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee ‘n a grab a couple of pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery while your order is being prepared!
Coal Scuttle <holds the quarters for Herr Wurlitzer!>
Wednesday - Dec 12th:
Pete (pwolfe) at 5:17 PM: Anyone who finds fault with steam locomotives that are in color should take a close look at those Brit Beauties ‘n tell us WHY Great looking paint jobs, fer sure, fer sure!
Memo to file: Wonder when Wolfman will communicate with ExpoRail to find out HOW he can obtain a replacement copy of the "guide book" that got <gobbled up> in that "black bag" of his By the by, the name of it is, "Portrait Collection - ExpoRail, the Canadian Railway Museum," ISBN 2-9804089-1-3. <English language version>
By the by, the name of it is, "Portrait Collection - ExpoRail, the Canadian Railway Museum," ISBN 2-9804089-1-3. <English language version>
Yeah, a trip up to Green Bay 'n the RR museum would be fun ‘n not a bad place for a mini-Rendezvous. Could be done in a long day's drive from here . . . but NOT in winter! Something to think about for a before or after Rendezvous III event . . . hmmmmm.
Going to be a bit odd to see those VIA Rail F40s in any color scheme other than what they've had for all these years . . . Wonder how long it will take for the model RR industry to catch up with the changeover My inventory of 'em now stands at 7.
That's a super-fine Hornby model Pacific loco ‘n tender - just crying out for a LAYOUT!
Regarding the American Flyer 'n Lionel trains of "back in the day": I always liked the looks of the AF moreso than Lionel, in spite of my having the latter. As a kid the rivalry was unbelievable between those of us who had either. "Lionel is best - no American Flyer - no Lionel . . . . " and on it would go. In the late 40s into the early 50s, I had to admit <to myself> that the AF trains really did look more realistic. Lionel <0-27) were just too "stubby" - nice stuff, but not quite 'there' if you follow my drift. Anyway, the AF steam locos were great with those "white walls," 'n their Alco PA diesels were unrivaled in my OH-PIN-YUN. Can't add much more after that period - for it was on to a military career with electric trains relegated to memory.
Yeah, that AF catalog cover really does "say it all," eh
Regarding the NFL Cardinals 'n Rams - the teams didn't change names. The St. Louis Cardinals moved to the Phoenix area after the 1987 season - and the Rams moved here from Los Angeles (actually Anaheim) in 1995. The St. Louis Cardinals previously had been in Chicago as the Cardinals - they played in St. Louis 1960-1987.
Another fine inclusive offering from our Bar Chandler along with a ROUND!
Cashinator <cash register at "Our" Place>
Ron (DD1) at 7:08 PM: A surprise visit from our Southern Mississippi Gentleman . . . good to see ya again!
Sorry to learn that you'll be spending less time with us . . . but it all boils down to using one's time the way one wants ‘n needs to use it.
You're welcome ‘round here . . . but as you know, without keeping up with the "flow" of conversations going on, it may be difficult to "jump in" from time to time. Anyway, you've pretty much been an "irregular regular," so unless you tell us otherwise, that's what you'll be . . .
Not sure I follow what you mean regarding the Emails you're receiving. From the bar??? Not from Moi. Anyway . . .
Appreciate the run down on what's happenin' down there in your part of the world. Far too hot 'n humid for my likes, but we've talked about that in the past, eh <grin>
Has a month nearly passed since your bride departed for places far away
Amazing how being retired can be pretty much like a full time job, eh
MAGLEV, a topic we've kicked around at the bar once or thrice . . . technology invented decades ago, but we're woefully remiss in utilizing it. <barf> Didja know that Great Britain was the first country to introduce MAGLEV trains in service back in the 1980s Apparently there were far too many technical issues 'n i
"This is a test, This is only a test" I am writing in Word, and will copy it into the reply box. Thus it will be short, if it does not work, I will not loose too much.
Morrn' Ruth, I'll have some strong Swedish Gevalia coffee, if you have, and a "Lussekatt - saffrans bulle".
Gevalia coffe is from the Swedish town of Gävle, where also the largest railroad museum in Sweden is located.
http://www.banverket.se/en-gb/Swedish-Railway-Museum/Huvudrubriker/About-Banverket-Telenet/Visit-Gavle-2.aspx
Today, December 13, one of the darkest days of the year, the Swedes celebrate Lucia, the Saint of Light
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Lucia_Day
I'll stop here for now, move this over, and see what happens.
Ruth my deAH, A mugga Joe with a jolt will do for me as the weather continues to <gloom> around here. <barf> Supposed to get worse B4 it gets bettAH. <arrrrgggghhhh> Anyway, your radiance takes away the <dark> ‘n replaces it with <light>! <blush>
A round for the boyz - treats for the crittAHs - a small jar of PPF for Boris ‘n the change is YOURS!
Don't know WHY - don't know HOW - but I've been unable to get on the forums for about 3 hours then all of a sudden . . . <groan>
So we'll be experiencing yet another change in attendees at the bar, huh Well it isn't as if we haven't gone through this a few more times than not ‘round here. One day I'll have to compile a list of the guys who used to be (UTB's as Da Bossman calls ‘em). I recall that my "bookend BK" did one of those some time ago . . . thing is, a few still frequent the forums, but not here. Figger that one out, mates - I can't!
Best to you down there in Ole Mississip, Ron - we'll keep a place for you at the bar. At least you didn't just up ‘n disappear as so many others have, without so much as a fair thee well. Speaks highly of you! Chalk me up as not understanding your comments about emails . . . I haven't sent any - recently. Anyway, it's been a pleasure.
Good hearing from Rob - Pete ‘n Sven again! Have a nog on me . . .
Sven - check back on the most recent pages ‘n you'll see where we discussed the Saint Lucia Day . . . Best to ALWAYS recognize Da Bossman! <uh oh>
Sorry guys, but I can't log onto photobucket right now either . . . So if there's time later on, I'll try to get some covAHs posted . . .
Until the next time!
Lars
A sloooooooooow day 'n seems like a bit of on-line problems for our Manager - maybe others
Anyway, great to see Sven back again - "mastered" the WP Posting Technique (WPPT) <grin>
Here's a little something to keep things movin' on this rather gloomy day in mid-continent USA where the temps are dropping 'n some snow called for on Saturday!
A Nickel's Worth of Classic Covers!
Number Five
(1) RR Magazine - 1952 - Idaho's Panhandle Pike
(2) RR Magazine - 1951 - December Trains
(3) RR Magazine - 1942 - The Speedy Future of Railroading
(4) RR Magazine - 1943 - Engine Cabs
(5) RR Magazine - 1952 - The Top Banana Line
#1 . . . Page 117
#2 . . . Page 123
#3 . . . Page 135
#4 . . . Page 145
Good afternoon folks.I'm just sitting here watching the snow tumble down, a nice steady "big fluffy" kind. The sort that would make even Boris run outside to make snow angels things .
Well Ruth , thanks to teh various mustard plasters ( at least that's what they called them )I think H&H's ministrations have put thise cold into a decline ( I hope )So with that said I think a Keith's and a generous round for those wishing to partake , natural mentor spring water,(yes Boris I know it comes from the hose behind your shed, we just can't have nice things around here without you stating the obvious can we ) for those not wishing a round of the "good" stuff.
Sven-Nice to see you catching on to the swing of things here at the ole tavern. I'd love to swap stories and chat about adventures in the air with you. thanks for that neat link to the museum as well.
Pete-Yes you photographed a rock star of sorts <grin>The 4711 was I suppose just a bit ahead of it's time , still it allowed some real world experiance with what is now becomming the"new" techknowlogy of teh raillway world. The main spotting feature that differs it from it's M636 sisters are the wing like radiator extensions on the rear of the locmotive , they stick further out than those of the normal DC locomotives, they are noit as big as those on the modern GE's but they are similar.
Nice shots of that preserved steamer , thanks for sharing it.I imagine that the engine cleaners were the starting point for most railway workers. Like in "Jolly Old " the engine wipers and then the fireman postions were the first to be removed once the major railways went from steam to complete diesel locomotive power.
Yes isn't that amazing only two of the thousands of Lancs are still fliable,the one here and the other at the Battle of Britain Memorial flight in the UK. There are many others at musuem's or on poles on parade grounds etc,still two's better than none.
Ron-Sad to hear that you won't be with us often , but it's nice to know that you intend to pop by on occation. As Lars said we'll make sure that Boris keeps the stool polished for you.
Tom-Great looking magazine covers today.I was looking back over the photo's from Rendezvous 1 , we did get some good shots both in TO and at the various and sundry museum's I dragged you guys to.It was a good time , too bad we didn't have more bodies but c'est la vie .I have today and tomorrow off to re-cooperate.( actually I'm just off a seven on strait scheduale so they are giving me two off to relax and refit )So I hope to provide alittle extra support here , save any comp-gremlins getting in the way.
. Hey Ruth I'm back again , I think someone may have drank my beer on me. Yes Boris I know I did but <sheesh> Is there anyway we can get him to learn and understand, what is and what isn't a figure of speech Oh well another round of Keith's Ruth please. Here's a pull back from the old bar for everyone to take a peek at.
CLASSIC STEAM #19 THE BOOZE LINE
This piece came originally from page 289 of the old bar.
In 1856 American distiller Hiram Walker arrived on the Canadian side of the Detroit River and began making wisky, an operation that would eventually become one of Canada's largest and prolific distilleries.Around his distillery Walker laid out a planned community called Walkerville ( still survibes today as a herritage part of the city of Windsor Ontario ). By the 1880's the townsite had become one of Ontario's best planned and laid out communities.With attractive hotels,banks and brick homes for the plant workers and their families. Walkers own company office was so ornate and well built that it survives still today as a designated herritage building.
Along with the community there was a railway station. In 1885 Walker brought into operation the Lake Erie and Detroit River Railway ( LEDR ). Not only was it intended to bring in the raw material for the plant from the surrounding farmlands south of Windsor, but to export both the finished products but to export local cattle and lumber products as well to the US .At first the line crossed only Essex County, reaching the city of Leamington in 1889. But so great was the demand by the municipalites further east for railway connections, that by 1895 theb road was extended all the way to St Thomas. Here it met the Canada Southern one of the NYC's Canadain Subsidiaries giving the LEDR and the communities it served connections to Toronto and Buffalo as well as the the city of London.Then station the railways met at was the huge MCRR/CASO station that was built 20 yeasr before. It still exists today and has renovations schedualed to turn it's interior into condos and boutiques, but maintaining it's classic facade as it to is a herritage building.
From St Thomas, the LEDR had hoped to aquire the existing London and Port Stanley RR which would give them cross Lake Erire access to Ohio, and the coal trade the L&PS brought into London. However the City of London dithered so long over walker's offer that the LEDR took over the smaller Erie and Huron Railway with it's Lake erie port at Erieau. This route though longer gave the LEDR access to the US through Cahtham and Sarnia.
At Erieau the LEDR built a large coaling facility and then entered the tourist business by adding to steam excursion boats, the Shenango and the Urania.These two vessels operated between Cnneaut Ohio and Erieau Ontario bringing tourists to stay at the popular Bungalo and Lakeview Hotels ( also owned by the LEDR ).With room for 200 guests the Bungalo Hotel was the areas best aand grandest,it unfortunatly burned to the ground in 1912, and was never rebuilt. In 1972 the Erieau section of te LEDR was the first portion of the line to be abandonned and pulled up.
Most of the stations along the line were small unassuming wooden buildings of similar style. The stations at Wheatly and Leamington were given octagonal towers above the bay windows whlie the station at walkerville was a large two story stone box.
South western Ontario's main railway rivalries did not invlove Canadian owned railways but American ones. In 1904 to compete more aggressivly against the American Owned ( NYC ) Canada Southern ( Caso ), the Pere Marquette Railway took over the LEDR and operated it until 1951 when tthe Pere Marquette itself became part of the C&O, and now the CSX.
For most of the roads route it gained it's business from the feed mills and grain elevators which were located next to most of the little train stations along the line. Some fish from Lake Erie was handled from the towns of Wheatly and Kingsville.While most of the lines business served the in and outs at the distillery itself ( still a major shipper for CSX today ).
Gradually, trucking has taken up the smaller industries along the LEDR's mainline.Between 1992 and 1996 nearly the entire line between St Thomas and Walkerville was abandonned and lifted. The only track today is in Windsor running between the CN and CP to move the distilleries production,and in Blenheim were grain is still moved north along the old Erie and Huron trackage and connecting to the petro chemical plants of the CSX's Sarnia division.
A pint of Winters Ale please RUTH.
RON Sorry you wont be able to visit the bar as often, but you will be welcome when you can get to call in.
It is sad about the crime situation in Santiago it surely will do a lot of damage to the tourist trade there.
As TOM says the first public Maglev ran in the UK, it was between Birmingham International Airport to the nearby railway station that was built to serve the airport and the National Exhibition Centre across the tracks from the airport. The Maglev ran for quite a few years and I have ridden it a few times. It remained out of use and a bus connection ran between the station and the airport it was inconvenient as involved steps to get to the booking office at the station. The structure of the Maglev was used for the cars that run today, they are hauled by cables. Two cars run and it is a very useful link and seems very reliable.
May I wish you a safe and happy holiday time too.
SVEN It seems the ‘test' was a success.
Many thanks for the link to the Gavle Railroad Museum it looks a great place. I found the page with the items of rolling stock in the museum it is very impressive. I guess that Anglok is steam locomotives and electric and diesels but I was wondering what the Lokomotors are. I see there are a couple of British manufactures in the steam locomotive section.
That is a very interesting link to St Lucia, thanks for sharing.
LARS Thanks for the drink. Sorry you are having problems with the forum, yesterday while doing my post the whole page disappeared, good old WP saved the day.
Hope you can get your Photobucket to behave itself so we can enjoy the bookcovers from the Larsman Mobile.
ROB Real glad you are getting over that cold and can enjoy your two days off, it is surprising what H&H's ministrations can do.
As you say 4711 was ahead of her time but I bet a lot of knowledge was into AC traction motors was gained from her.
In Britain when the diesels came in and steam was being phased out, the fireman were called ‘Second Man and then Driver's Assistants on the diesels and electrics. Today though, nearly all the trains are single manned.
I agree we should be very grateful there are still two Lancasters flyable, so folks can still enjoy the marvelous sight and sound of them in flight.
Many years a go I saw a Swordfish in flight, I don't suppose there are any airworthy today.
Great to read the ‘Booze Line' again. I wonder if Hiram Walker was any relation to the Johnnie Walker's Whisky in Scotland. Have you heard any more about the MCRR/CASO station that was going to be renovated into condos, but keeping the façade since the original post. Many thanks for sharing.
TOM Glad you enjoyed those steam locomotive photos.
I think we will have to go back to ExpoRail so I can get another guide, thanks for the name and the ISBN number, I will look it up on the web.
The bride did drive back from Green Bay to here in a day but it was a long drive, we were going to have a night in a campsite in Illinois but the weather turned bad with heavy rain so we kept going.
Thanks for the comparison between the Lionel and American Flyer model trains. I know exactly what you mean by "Not quite there" even on full size locomotives in preservation a small detail can make one think that is not quite right. I suppose it is the same over here but in the UK the detailing on models today compared to the 1950s and 60s is remarkable.
That TV program must have been on before 1987 as I can remember the St Louis team. Thanks for the info.
Another great set of Classic Covers, although I guess it would take a lot more than a nickel to own those magazines today. I think the December Trains 1951 is my favorite one this week, with the steam local stopping to pick up a Christmas tree while the diesel hauled express passes on the bridge. I would like to read the 1943 issue with the cab-forward on the cover about the past and present engine cabs it is a pity the modern day magazines don't
G' Eve, Leon the Night Man, Let me introduce myself, as I have not had the pleasure of meeting you earlier. I am Sven Da Svede , one of many Scandihoovians that frequent this grandiose establishment. (By the way, my e-mail address is also SvenDaSvede@aol.com)
I would like a bottle of Roth beer. I, like Snoopy, the dog that was born here in the Twin Cities, like to quaff a Roth beer in the evening. We had our Christmas party at work today, so I am filled up, and skipping the chow.
Lars, sorry I missed the Lucia discussion earlier. I am just starting to learn the ropes. How many months do you give a newcomer to get acquainted with the equipment, get the proper line knowledge, and learn the safety rules, before you give up on him and give him the pink slip? I'll be sure to lift my hand to the bill of my uniform cap next time I meet Da Bossman. Thank you for the reminder, Lars.
Rob, and Pete, you mentioned 4711. I know it is an engine here, but it again opens up another memory file in my upper compartments. In Sweden all trains had /has a number, different for different categories of train and odd numbers Southbound, even number going Northbound, (help me Eric, how was it again with East and West?). Anyhow, I made a stint at the freight barn in my hometown Örebro. In the middle of the night we had a freight train with express freight coming in to be unloaded, and reloaded. The lines were electrified, like most main lines in Sweden. But they ended at the door to the freight barn. At approach, the engineer adjusted the speed, took down the electric bow, and rolled in to a stop - most of the time before he hit the concrete at the end of the track in the barn. Then when the freight was taken care of, a lokomotor (small diesel powered switcher - there you have the explanation for LOKOMOTOR - Pete) pulled out the freight on the line under the electric cable again.,and on it went. Why did I tell this? Oh, yes, now I remember. The number of that daily freight express train was 4711. It was also called "The Perfume", as 4711 was the name of a very famous French Eau De Cologne at that time.
There is another workday tomorrow. I still have to walk the dogs, and do some chores. The alarm - in shape and sound of a steam engine starts hooting, whistling, and puffing at 4AM tomorrow. The night will be too short.
Leon, nice meeting you, and thank you for listening so patiently.
Good evening Leon. Yes I do sound better, but thanks for asking.I see that Pete's been about and restocked the ole beer fridge so I think I shall partake. A Rickard's Red sir if you please.
Pete-Ah so by dropping off the saturday pictures and restocking on thrusday night you seem to think you can have the weekend off. Hmmm did the manager or dabossman say you could enquiring former employees want to knowAt any rate the beer fridges are well stocked and well chilled so high marks for that. I think I may actually grab some of H&H's fish fry as well.
I think several swordfish are still servicable, last I heard there were a couple in California of all places.I would think with them being a fabric covered byplane that they would be alot easier to maintain than a full metal higher performance aircraft,just a thought. I need to get you upto warplane , even better if the day you come up the Lanc is due to fly, it truly does sound like a squadron of spitfires taking off.
Great pictures from Allan , I've said it before but it is very nice to see that many steam locomotives still operating and even more incredible them all being in teh same place at teh same time.
I don't know if the two Walkers are related.The could well be , as Hiram did come to Canada from Britain , and I understand that he was a brewer to start with,not unlike Alexander Keith when he came over. The renovations are still ongoing at the MCRR building.The usueal beurecratic red tape , that and CN is still in the process of removing the old freight yards and cleaning up the grounds which are one large brownfeild ( heavily contaminated ) all that has to be done before human habitation can be allowed, re- much more millions need to be earmarked.
Give me enough warning Pete and I'll help you look for that new book at Exporail. Mind you I think we should bring Tom along as an interpreter.
Sven-Nice to see you in again this evening. Thanks for sharing the info on the railways and their numbering system over in Sweden.I'm sure Eric will pick up where you left off.I'm impressed as always by the foreward thinking of the European countries , which have had the foresight to keep the railways electrified for the most part. Over here we had long ago removed the once extensive electric railway networks in favour of the conventionally powered one's. I look forward to more interaction with you in the comming months
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, it is a perfect time for Rumpsteak Café de Paris! A cold Keith's please!A not so good evening last night so I stayed away, but now I am back. 153 days until the 3rd Annual Rendezvous!Rob – Always interested in airplanes. Interesting to see the ME109 with a Daimler-Benz engine! Is the Niagara Falls Airshow an annual event? Starfighter is another one of my favorites! Thanks for the info on the ALCO AC’s! The Booze Line! Interesting story about a little known road! The St Thomas station building was/is really something else! Tom – Congratulations! You just won free drinks at the Bar for the rest of this year by knowing that my photo was from the X2000 excursion!!! It’s all on me! Cindy is also entitled to free drinks!Perfect with a Lionel ad at Christmastime!! Very nice catalogs, too bad I can’t open them. Same about the Railroad Magazine! One thing I have noticed looking at the Railroad Magazine, the pictures on their front page really had very few details, but still interesting to study. Lars – The cold weather continues! Ice on the car roof and windshield two mornings in a row! Time to move to a warmer place? I found some interesting info checking those American Flyer catalogs. The new Electronic Propulsion locomotive! Why was it necessary to go to reverse if you were going to continue in a forward direction after a stop? It doesn’t make sense to me, but what do I know? Sven – I am looking foward to more stories! I don’t have any problems living with v and w mixed up every now and then! As usual every year this date, Dec 13, I am checking news about the Santa Lucia celebration in Sweden! It is something very special! Train numbers? Westbound trains have odd numbers, eastbound trains have even numbers.Pete – It’s amazing how shiny No 850 Lord Nelson is! It looks very nice! Nice paint job!Are you planning a future trip with the Empire Builder? Beautiful trip, especially when you get to the mountains! Maybe a Packer’s game would be a good idea for a mini rendezvous!? I have been to Green Bay but never to a game. Did all locomotives in the UK have a white roof if and when they pulled a Royal Train? Quite a few small saddle tank locomotives from Allan! You asked Sven what a lokomotor is. A lokomotor is a small (max 400 hp) diesel engine like the one in this picture.Class Z65. Ron – Good to see you again! It seems like Santiago isn’t a good place to take a walk. Is that where your wife is now, or did she just visit the city? I am sure you will figure out something to buy for her! I think Maglev is too expensive kind of future transportation. Regular high speed trains is a cheaper alternative. But Maglev has its advantages! I am sure your loco will have enough power to pull more than one passenger.
Hope to see you again soon!!
Eric
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