Good Afternon Captain Tom and Company
Drink Up it's on me so no bird sips please.
This will be short and to the point! Fill up the thermos barkeep and put the antifreeze to her! I't gonna be a cold 3 day steam to the SW and fighting S'ly, SW'ly and W'ly gales all the way. We'll also be on a 240T heading which means no Internet (I know, I know poor baby, but hey I'm spoiled).
I might as well stock up on Carbos and protien so make it a 1" Striploin, Blue, onions and a large order of fries.
Lars Thanks for the clarification on Bos'n. BTW the term Boss is a direct derivative of the word.
Sorry to run but I'm about out of time. It'll be another one foot on the deck night as we'll be doing some dancing.
Later All
Fergie
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959
If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
Good afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
Just a quick one to keep things moving along. I will be posting tomorrow at regular time. Next week looks like 4 days "hit or miss" already. CAn't wait to see what they give us to do on Friday!
work safe
Afternoon Ruth , I'll pop in and help you unload some of that Keith's.A better beer to have an abundance of I can't think of
Tom-Nice follow up Newf railroad info sir. When I get all our photo's complied I'll see if I can't post some of the preserved equipment that I managed to get some shots of. Both in Port aux basques and Carbonnier.I hope the WB folks don't zap you for the "That's all folks" picture.
I would think that the truck being off that car would be one of two things , best case it is an ongoing preservation and restoration or worst case they are slowly using it's usable parts to keep other equipment running ( cheaper than having new replacement parts built sadly )Some interesting pictures to be sure.
I like todays spat of shots as well. Those cars do look to be well maintained, a credit to the maintenance boys 'n' girls
Lars-I humble beg forgivness for mis-spelling the nautical words. Mind you I have seen it spelt that way,oh well one lives and learns. I'll submit to 20 lashes with a wet noodle,as meeted out by H&H and supervised by yourself and Fergie <yikes> Boris can stand by as a first person in his greatwar Khaki's ( mind you I intend to slink away and tend my own wounds ) but it will give him something to do.
Jan-The 2786 shot was from our museum. The TTC didn't have much if any forested right of way.The last would have been the North Yonge street to Richmond Hill line which went out of service in 1949. Mind you several small Witt's did use the line for a while, but they were not up to the "hills" on the line.
pete-Don't do it man, diving into the pit of Boris's shack, isn't worth finding the big dipper, you know how possesive he is of his palce of abode.My advice is to double dip with the small dipper until the money owed is settled,Guido and Vito can give you tips on this , mind you their tips can come at a cost.Just ask lead food Larry the former Chandler of the second class
Eric-Nice to see you back, sorry to hear about the internal troubles. And here I was going to chalk up yours and Jan's disappearances to a chance encounter with some bikini models.Would have made for a better story, but I'm glad to ehar that you are on the mend.
Fergie-Keep your feet dry, hopefully Boris supplied you with one of his extra large pairs of combination ,Mae-west / thermal underware with the battery operated portable steam heating coils that he has been concoting in his shed. I never should have lent him those back issues of popular mechanics. At the time it seemed better than his usual reading material.But now he is quite often seem dressing his inflatables in lab assistant attire not good
Rob
Hi Ruth back again, I'll nab another Keith's while I complete todays "brain droppings"
Ron-I forgot to mention, I loved the postage stamps. I recognize a few from some of teh tranportation one's my dad has collected over the years. trains and transportation have always been regular postage material.Thanks for sharing them
Tom-I see that another contest is a foot. Okay put me down for Jan 1st '08
Hi Tom and all.
I see TOM as given you the afternoon off RUTH so a pint of Bathams and one for yourself.
RON Many thanks for those railroads on the postage stamps they came out very well. There is some great artwork on the stamps,really like the GG1 on the Congressional 33c stamp.
I have 2 sets of Royal Mail stamps, one set of 5 features the black and white photography of C.T. Gifford of steam locomotives in British Railways service and one set of 5 color photos of steam locomotives on preserved lines.
Glad the materials for your model have arrived, I will look forwards to seeing photos as the model is built.
ERIC Real sorry to hear you has had health problems. Really hope that you are not in too much pain and you are restored to full health very soon. At least at the bar you can eat what ever you want.
Many thanks for the photo of the Branson F Unit in service earlier in its career.
LARS Many thanks for the meaning of Boatswain and Coxswain. I looked the meaning of ‘swain' and it said lover was a bit so I thought I would ask a sailor.
Many thanks for the C&O covers from the Larsman Bookmobile. I would have liked to have seen a loco in the Chessie colors as in the 3rd book and you can almost hear the steamer on the C&O Coal and color cover.
FERGIE Thanks for the origin of boss coming from Bos'n, I did not know that.
Keep safe in those gales. What is a ‘240T heading"
CM3 Looking forward to your post tomorrow.
ROB I have not met Larry from the Second Class saloon but I have heard sad tales of him, and I though Manager Lars was a hard taskmaster. Unfortunately I am only allowed near the dipping tub under strict supervision.
I shall look forward to your photos of the Newfoundland Railway preserved equipment. I will post some trolley photos from Exporail at the end of my post; perhaps you can help to tell me what the works ones were used for.
TOM It is a competition this time. I will say December 9th by Manager Lars for post 3,000 and it could be on page150. Is the prize a crash course on ‘Admin Duties'.
Thanks for the info on #50
I can see why those weather patrols were not the most popular duty. I guess only those who have done it truly know what is like trying to keep station in the North Atlantic during a winter storm. I would think that the pilots were very appreciative but I wonder how many, if any, passengers on the airliners even realized that there was sailors far below them braving rough seas to keep them safe.
Talking about missing a ride on the Newfoundland Railway reminded me of a couple of lines in the UK I missed, I thought "I'll ride them another time" but the branch lines closed before I had the chance.
Glad you liked the links, I thought they were good. The Newfoundland Railway had some good-looking engines. In the railway artists link, I really liked the ‘Dirty Town 2' painting it has captured a wet night in the West Midlands in steam days perfectly.
Many thanks for the photos from the dome car on the Branson Scenic Railway; it is indeed some good scenery. I was thinking, that there are not all that many railroad tunnels in Missouri.
I had to go to town earlier and picked up Railroads in World War II, only have had a glance through,but it seems good, liked the wartime ads and the Jack Delano photos. Has your copy arrived yet.
It is all right
Hi Tom and all,
Set em` up Leon, Tui`s all round for the crew!
Tom. Great set of photo`s of your Branson trip, together with the continuation of the Canadian RR`s and the nostalgic RR magazine covers, all very interesting and entertaining!
Eric. Was getting a bit worried not seeing you on site, we are having a very similar medical history, had my Gall stones out 12yrs ago by key-hole surgery, can`t even see where it was done now! Anyway, you take care until your op!
Mike. Thanx for the URL`s to the pics and the David P. Morgan write up, nice to see what your Pop took part in.
CM3. Nice to see you again mate!
Lars. A really great selection of bookcovers from the Larsmobile, nice pics of the B&O and theC&O. See the Patriots got a fright not long ago!
Pete. Saw most of the A4`s at Newcastle, Waverley and York, and some at Doncaster when they were having a major service or repairs, used to save my paper round money to pay for the trips. I never seemed to take an interest in the A3`for some reason. Saw a Duchess once at Euston, I think it was D of Montrose? Enjoyed all your pics and info, nice trolley pics and those nice one`s of Alan`s. Thanks for that great nostalgic painting of the A3 on the King Edward bridge in Newcastle, it brought back some great old memories for me I can tell you. Yes, they used the Mozzies in the Pathfinder role to guide the heavy bombers to their target by dropping flares.
Dan. Nice to see you on board, glad the B & T info was of help!
Rob. Nice selection of trolley and steam pics and the "Cabeese" on the Foto thread,
Jan. Nice to see you popped in, try not to burn the midnight oil too much mate!
Ron. Gave you some misinformation on my last post about the Mosquito, it was the Beaufighter that they callad "Whispering death". they were very similar twin engined planes, the Beaufighter was all metal though, and that gun was a 57mm, 6 pounder cannon used in a tank buster role, the USAF used Mosquito`s as well in the recce role, the old memory plays tricks at times! A really great selection of RR postage stamps you put on for us, had a full set of all the Brit rail standard steam loco`s GPO stamps once, but like my old train spotting books they have gone AWOL as well. Interesting info on the Chile seat sizes, see some airlines are starting to weigh in larger size passengers, nice pics of the Chile trams, seats and model loco`s>
Fergie. Nice to see you back on board again.
Tom. PS; I must have just missed a "Tweeting"? Thanx mate!
See ya, Allan
G'day Gents!
Thought I'd catch up on a few things tonite, as Leon takes care of the bar . . .
First:
CONTEST - CONTEST - CONTEST
Wonder who will make the 3,000th Post at the bar Cite the date AND the person who will make that memorable Post . . . So let's see who can come up with the answer!
CONTEST CLOSES Monday!! So let's get a move on Gents . . .
Thus far we have:
Lars sez: Dec 7th (Tom)
Rob sez: Jan 1st (???)
Pete sez: Dec 9th (Lars)
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Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)
Thursday - Nov 29th:
Lars (LoveDomes) at 9:59 AM: Old dependable arrived as scheduled along with more Chessie covers! <sweet>
Many thanx for participating in our CONTEST - ‘n for the round too!
Ron (DD1) at 10:02 AM: I know what you mean about stimulating the brain cells <few that I have, that is!> as I'm slowly getting "into" my long-delayed project of constructing a subway system beneath Can-Am City. It's a labor of love - just gotta GETAROUNDTUIT!
As mentioned yesterday - this place is NOT supposed to generate stress on the part of our customers. You Post "stuff" when you can, but stopping by to say "howdy" ‘n ordering a drink is certainly just fine too! Remember - inclusiveness ‘round here is defined pretty much as making sure you recognize those who have taken the time to recognize you. Simple enough, eh Youbetcha!
Missed the CONTEST!
Thanx for the visit ‘n round!
Fergie (Fergmiester) at 2:51 PM: The not-so-ancient mariner returneth! Winds ‘r howlin' - seas are buildin' ‘n it's time to rock ‘n roll! Provides a different definition to the term, eh
It was sea conditions like you described that made me realize what leg's are also useful for - bracing one's self while in the ‘rack' . . . <uh oh>
Really appreciate the visit, business ‘n report from the sea!
See ya when the wind shifts - hopefully sooner than later!
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 2:55 PM: Always find the time to swing by IF there's a ‘puter within arm's grasp! Appreciate the thoughts . . . .
Many thanx for the quarters ‘n round . . .
Rob (trolleyboy) at 2:56 PM ‘n 3:06 PM: Interesting thoughts ‘n ramblings from our Ontario Connection. I wasn't concerned about the avatar until YOU brought it up! Nothing like drawing ill-advised attention, eh <uh oh>
Actually, I got it from a site where there were NO prohibitions regarding use . . . but of course, how does one ever know who has "dibs" when in the Ether Concern "duly noted," as I used say to subordinates ‘n ordinates <huh> "back in my day"!
Thanx for participating in HALF of the CONTEST! You were supposed to pick not only the date, but the person as well! <geesh> Actually, I think you may want to revise your guesstimate - as we're already at 2,913 Posts (as I type this) - won't take that long to reach 3,000. So, try again!
The trucks ‘n wheels for that Branson Scenic Railway car were located a short distance from where it had been put on blocks
Good evening Leon. Another Keith's and a round for da boyz as well
pete-Good thing you never met Larry , he was a character of sorts, mind you his pention for solid foot wear ( cement ) have sunk his possibility of rising in the ranks over at the second class
Interesting trolley shots ,the small outside piece of equipment looks to have been a rail bonder of sorts possibly. Nice inside shot of thelocomotive with the golden chariot sight seeing car. I'm not sure what that other piece of equipment was however, possible used for wire repair.
Allan-I'm glad you liked the cabeese and the other pictures.So you're the warbird fan ?n If you get a chance try to log onto the Canadian Warplane Herritage museum's web sight. they ahve a wonderfull collection of aircraft.
Good day again folks.
Tom- Howdy hi there again. I thouight that I had ordered a Keith's as well as offered to help unload now I'm confused mind you this time ayear confusion is hardly unusual for me. So giving another shot eh ? mighty neighbourly of you. Okay lemme think,update me to dec 24th oh and I think Lars will be the one to do it Sounds like it is likely a restoration project if the bits'n'pieces are that close at hand. You've got to stop wearing that powdered wig and fake beauty mark set that Boris gave you last Christmas, it makes you look too much like Ruth
So I'll order up another round of Keith's all around for everyone, gotta keep that beer from going skunky
So here I am finally <grin> so far so good. Ruth could you be so kind as to ring up another round for me thank-you. Oh and some of the usual treats for the our place critters and non-paid staff, thanks.
ONLY IN CANADA YOU SAY PART # 1CLASSIC DIESELS #40
Canada in the late 40's and 50's had some very heavy duties on items bought by companies for use in Canada, so very early on the locomotive builders alls crambled to open plants or at least get a Canadian manufacturing firm on hand to porduce their products for the Canadian market.Alco for years had MLW ( Montreal locomotive works ) producing their steam designs for the various railroads and indusrial lines in Canada, so when diesilization began in earnest up here ALCO/MLW already had a leg up.Likewise the CLC plant in Kingston Ontario ( Canadian locomotive Company ) was already building Baldwin and Lima designed steamers for CN and CP, so Baldwin instantly began using CLC for their diesel designs.Likewise Fairbanks Morse also contracted with CLC to build their locomotive designs. GM not having a candain sudsidiary went one step further and built teh GMD plant in London Ontario which began producing the EMD catalogue for the Candian market.For whatever reason GE did not open a candain plant so they sold few locomotives NOB the few 44 ton and 70 ton switchers that were produced for Canada were geberally shipped accross as kits for final assembly at the railway shops on the CNR. CPR just said no. As a result none of the larger U series of loco's ever found a market up here. Not until free trade lifted most tarrifs did the GE plant make any significant dent in the candain locomotive market which was dominated by MLW and later EMD products. So this post and part two will deal with the oddballs the Candian only units produced by GMD , MLW and CLC enjoy.
The GMD 1. This small light wieght roadswitcher was designed by GMD for use on the light wieght branchlines CNR inherrited from the old CnoR and GTP lines on the prairies where 55 and 70 lbs rail was not an uncomon thing. Only CNR and the NAR ( Northern Alberta railway ) satbbled these little road switchers. As built theyu had A1A-A1A truck set ups with the middle axel being an unpowered idler. later CN rebuilt them to BB-BB configuration both theirs and the NAR ones when CN officially assumed control of the NAR in the 1980's today only 26 of them remain in service mostly as hump and transfer service jobs. Of note these 1950's vintage engines (at least 50) have been sold and shipped to the Cuban state railways to formally diesilize their operations. Fitting I suppose 1950's cars on their roads and 1950's diesels on their railtoad.
The stats:1200hp 567C pime mover L numbered 1000-1082 inclucivly 33" idler wheels with 40" powered wheels all built between 1952-58
GMD1 at mack yard in Toronto Ontario in 1998 on this locomotives 40th birthday,used for yard to yard transfer runs and hump yard switching.
The SW1200RS On the surface this Canada only model from GMD would appear to be a standard SW1200 switcher. It is to a point the major difference bieng that they sit on flexicoil road trucks instead of slow speed switcher trucks. again these were dual mode road and yard service locomotives primarily to handle heavy trains on in town trackage that was not capable of holding up larger roadswitchers. it also freed up GP7's and 9's for passenger and mainline frieght duties.The other "spottinbf feature is the prominent "eyebrow" headlight arrangements. front and back on CN units only on the front of CP units. Only CN and CP ordered these engines though by now some have been sold off into the US for industrial and shortline uses.
CPR SW1200RS at Kineer yard ( former TH&B ) ontop of the Niagara escarpment in Hamilton Ontario.
CN SW1200RS leased to Railink, Hamilton Ontario Shortline locomotive shows off it's rear eyebrow.
The last unit type covered in this sitting is the RS23. This is a ubique to Canada roaadswitcher produced by MLW. It is a 1000hp raodswitcher built from their S13 switcher model. the onkly difference is the use of AAR typr B road trucks and gearing instead of standard blunt ALCO switcher trucks. again these were used for light duty lines and for transfer runs. Only the CPR bought this type 60 units in all. Most were found in eastern Canada on the Dominion Atlantic Lines. all have now been sold off for scrap or top shorlines.
Two former CP RS23;'s now owned by the Ontario Southland railway. these switch the city of Guelph Ontario and are based at Guelph Junction.Note the wonderfull TH&B inpired paint scheme the OSR uses.
Enjoy Rob
Okay gents more bedtime reading or morning newspaper eyestrain depending on which way you prefer to look at it.What can i say when I feel teh need to comunicate I open the floodgates.
CLASSIC DIESEL's#41ONLY IN CANADA YOU SAY PART TWO
Okay here's another look at some of the more unusual one off production runs that came out of the locomotive erecting shops in Canada for the railways located NOB as Tom would say.
As I mentioned in part one , all the big players of the locomotive building market paired up with or built their own assembly plants in Canada to avoid the associated costs of tarrifs on locomotives built in the USA, all but GE.As I said the CLC company of Kingston was building Baldwin and Lima steam engines for their contract partners in stateside for decades. So once the diesel bug bit baldwins few sales to CPR were built by CLC. Also Fairbanks Morse set up shop at CLC for their line of railroad diesels so along with the H series roadswitchers C-liners and trainmasters that were built all to US spec a couple odd balls were also constructed.
The first one was an order for 5 trainmasters for the CPR. Not unusual in any respect other than the CPR ordered them with the optional 2750 pound per hour steam generators which were mounted in a full width of the walkway hood in front of the cab giving them a hammerhead appearance. these were the only FM trainmasters built with this optional feature CPR #8901-8904, after about ten yeasr the CPR discontinued the trains they were pulling and they joined their 15 'normal" sisters in the frieght pool when this happened they were rebuilt with a conventional hood. I haven't got any pictures of these locomotives sorry.
The second semi odd ball were 10 passenger C-liners CLC built for the CNR Super continental,5 A's and 5 B's. These had the full passenegr control features and the 2750 lbs per hour steam gen sets for car heating mounted in the back of the car body, this called for a 5 axle format to carry the weighttwo axle BB front truck and a six axle ( all powered ) rear truck.Thes were designated CPA , CPB 16-5's or a C-liner passenger "A" or "B" 1600hp with 5 axles. similar units were built by FM for teh NYC and the LIRR and the New haven but those were all the larger 2000 or 2400 hp varients so had different motor size and load ratings so the 1600hp units were exclusive to the CNR.
Builders photo from the delson collection no idea te photographer.
Next we move onto the favourite of Canadian alcofans or alcophiles depending on one's prefered designation.thes are the RS10's and the RS18's and their various subvarients. Both locomotives look alike but are different in use and in internals. The RS10 is essentially a full height hooded RS2 same 244 prime mover, but with a full height hood for making work on the prime mover much easier in the elements up here. Most RS10's were fitted with a smaller fuel tank than the RS18 and had lighter weight trucks and wieght for secondary mains and branchlines. they were dual mode in that all the CPR one's were steam generator equiped for commuter train service.The RS10's were always set up to run long hood forward as well as the steam generators were located in the short hood.The RS18 is te MLW take on the Alco RS11. Same basic dimentions but different hood end treatments, no classic Alco nose notches. They came in various set ups but they all used the improved 251 series prime movers,late units were built with factory short hoods.PGE and Cartier ordered the factory low hood units. the CPR rebuilt all their RS18's in the 1980's to short hood configuration in their own shops. it was one of the most wide spread locomotive types of the 50's and 60's in Canada with only the GP7-9 and the SW1200's more numerous. CNR had 150 units, CPR 100 BCRail/PGE 60, Roberville and Sagunay 24 the last ten built with short hoods and the Cartier had 30 all shorthood models. The RS18 was buolt from 1957-1962. The RS10's were built from 1954-56 and rostered 60 units on the CN 45 on the CPR, 2 on The Ontario Northland. All are gone from the big road rosters now, many went on to the various shortlines some in the US some in Canada. several are at the Delson Museum most notably RS10 1400 and ONR unit and the only RS10 still in existance.The CNR rebuilt 12 of their RS18's in the early 70's with A1A-A1A trucks for service on PEI's and Nova Scotia's light branchlines. these replaced smaller RSC13 units that were worn out the A1A trucks all came from scrapped RSC13's. these units were also lightend and downrated from 1800hp to 1400hp and redesignated as RSC14's by the CN shops that did the conversions.
CN RS18 in troonto's Mimico yard photo from the Patterson collection
CP RS10 in Montreal's St luc yarfrom the Patterson collection
CP rebuilt RS18U in welland Ontario.
RS18U in the service of new owner Ontario Southland St thomas Ontario
The next two one offs were built by MLW strictly for the CNR. the first were four little 1000hp roadswitchers built to run on Ontario's and the maritimes ligth branchlines. they were built in conjunction with the GMD1's from GMD as a test to see which manufacterers units were more viable. The RSC24 ws essentially a 1000hp S3 switcher with multiple unit controls and a small electrical cabinet mounted in a tiner shorthood behind the cab. they ran on a short wheel base A1a-A1A truck built by Dofasco. The GMD1's from GMD proved to be more flexable and only te four RSC24's were built. The second small MLW roadswitcher intended for branchline use was the RSC13.A light weight A1A-A1A trucked unit built on the RS2 plateform, similar to US built RSC2's but they had a slightly higher long hood and a difernt truck in this case Dofasco built versions. they were rated at 1250hp and spent their lives 1953-1975 in the maritimes until worn out they were replaced by the prevoiously disscussed RS18 rebuilds.
RSC24 builders photo from the patterson Collection
RSC13 in PEI also from the Patterson collection.
The final locomotive I will cover in this insatllment is another CNR built only MLW product. many american's are familiar with these locomotives as several have turned up on Dinner trains ro disgised as operating musuem pieces around the US. These are the FPA 4's a stretched passenger FA cab unit they look like regular FA / FPA 1's or 2's. The main difference is internal. CNR loveeed their passenger FA's they didn't love the 244 prime movers so they did what the US roads didn't they got MLW to p[roduce the robust FPA series locomotive make it 5 feet longer and power it with the new more reliable 251 prime mover. these locomotives built in 1957-58 lasted into the early 80's running for VIA rail. As i said many still ply their trade in dinner trains stateside. The B&O histroical society even purchased an operable one which does excursion service painted and numbered as a B&0 FA2.
FPA4 in the latter 1960's passenger scheme. Seen in Winnipeg while in Supercontinental service.From the patterson collection.
enjoy Rob
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, a big sugar cured ham sandwich, please. An ice cold Keith's!
Kind of busy day here today! I did not have a chance to catch up today, that will happen this weekend, but I found a lot of interesting stuff to read!
Only 167 days until the 3rd Annual Rendezvous!
Tom – I am not complaining about the discomfort. It is kind of part of the game in this case. All I have to do is take my medicine and wait for a few weeks and the doctors will take care of it. I don’t see any problems. The surgeon explained the problem very good. I was concerned when they said they were going to operate this week and I was still taking the blood thinner. I am looking forward to receive the RR Book from CM3! It has been a strange number of days since Thanksgiving not visiting “Our” Place before I go to bed. But now I am back.It sounds hopeful that your friend still is kind of normal after having his gall bladder removed!Very nice pictures from your Branson train ride! I agree, not as spotless as Alaska RR, but still nice. I liked to see the former MARC #83 again! It is like an old friend. I saw it in Washington on an almost daily basis for several months and it was mostly sitting across the platform from the X2000. I think post #3,000 will happen Dec 13, the Santa Lucia Day! Posted by CM3!Lars – Happy to see you again, Sir! In a way I am glad that all this stuff, the heart and my gall bladder, are taken care of now before I retire! I think 2008 will be a great year! Thanks for the nice words!Nice C&O book covers! The second one, with the kitten, is for my wife! Ron – It seems like you have a similar medical history as I do! I started taking my blood thinner after a triple bypass surgery last July. Then everything went extremely well. I am not worried at all about my coming surgery in 4-6 weeks. Looking forward to it so I can go back to eat food I really like instead of all this fat-free stuff. Sounds good about your model engine. I’ll see if I can find any pictures from the inside to send to you f you want to detail it.Fergie – Hope you didn’t have to dance too much this last night! CM3 – Thanks for the round! Rob – How did you figure out that encounter with bikini models? For heavens sake, don’t say anything! Officially we were going to look for some nice streetcars!Interesting article about the Canadian diesels! Is there still any GMD1 in service or preserved? CPA didn’t have a six axle truck, did it? I am sure you mean a six wheel truck. Anyway, it looks a lot like FL9! FPA4 is also an interesting locomotive! Pete – I can control my pain pretty good so I am not complaing and in a few weeks the doctors will take care of the problem itself. You are right about this bar, I can eat anything I want whenever I want! Nice pictures from ExpoRail! What kind of vehicle is in the first picture? It looks like a truck with some minor equipment on it. It also seems to have a trolley pole on it. I think I have seen another picture of it some time before.Allan – That is what the doctors thought should be applicable in my case, key-hole operation and go home the following day. Which would fit me perfect. Don’t worry, I’ll be very careful.
Nynäshamn 1980, in the old country.
Eric
Hello Tom and all in
Light breakfast for me please. Still been ratehr busy and trying to ctahc up on the recent good stuff (5 or 6 pages still to reveiw) - hope to be back soon with a proper post (esp to tell you all abotu the great movie I saw on the big screen last night - Whistle in the Night - 1947 short film probably by the Assoc of American Railroads - superb stuff.
Anyway - quick query - does anyone know of a website that gives scenic guides to Amtrak routes - eg what you can see from the train on partiucular routes? I have an aquaintance who is going on soem sort of organsied cross the US by train trip and I was going to recommend that to him. I'm sure I found a window gazer type guide when I too the C-Zephyr a few years back but can't find it now.
I just thought that if anyone knows where to look it will be the regulars at Our Place!!
Regards to all
DL
<"Our" Place Christmas Holiday Train>
Friday's Grin
Law of the Telephone: When you dial a wrong number, you never get a busy signal.
It's here, FRIDAY ‘n the end of the work week <for many>! So, before heading off to the daily grind, sit a spell with us ‘n enjoy a mugga freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee, some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and of course a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board!
Comments from the Proprietor:
Wonder who will make the 3,000th Post at the bar A CONTEST! Cite the date AND the person who will make that memorable Post . . . So let's see who can come up with the answer!
Prize will be something special . . . but you gotta play to know! <grin>
Rob sez: Dec 24th (Lars)
Eric sez: Dec 13th (CM3)
Because it's FRIDAY, time again for the "Our" Place Warehouse of Wondrous Forgotten Technologies and Skills (WWFTS)!!
. . . When dialing a telephone meant just that!
. . . When Jim Croce sang, "You can keep the dime!" referred to the cost of a pay phone call!
. . . When there were indeed such things as penny candy!
. . . When black 'n white referred to an ice cream sundae!
. . . When the longest nickel ride in the world belonged to the Staten Island Ferry!
. . . When automobiles didn't have seat belts OR outside mirrors!
. . . When you could tune in a radio station on a car radio!
Rob (trolleyboy) at 7:38 PM - 7:48 PM - ‘n 8:17 PM: A threesome from our Resident Ontario Connection! I see you haven't forgotten the lessons learned from the days <daze> of UTB 20 Fingers!
I won't even pretend to say I've read your Epistles . . . those get saved for later on. Far too early in the morning for "heavy reading" . . .
Your amended guesstimate has been added to the CONTEST!
I don't know what you've been drinking and/or smoking . . . but if I'm beginning to look like Ruth to you, well . . . guess we'll travel in separate bedroom cars in the future! <uh oh>
Rounds, fotos ‘n chat all appreciated ‘n helped to make last evening most successful at the Tavern by the Tracks!
Friday - Nov 30th:
Eric (EricX2000) at 1:44 AM: An understatement indeed regarding the interesting stuff to catch up on . . . I'm a wee bit behind as well, thanx to our friend in Ontario!
I can appreciate how the "feeling" you had while not frequenting the bar . . . pretty much shared that sensation while we were away. Almost as if part of my "routine" had been disrupted - which it had! <grin> "Our" Place definitely does that, eh
That friend of mine is an active police officer . . . he's in his 60s, big ‘n as strong as an Ox ‘n if you didn't know it, you'd be surprised that he no longer has his gall bladder insofar as his eating habits are concerned. He says "certain things" are off-limits, but nothing he cannot handle . . . sounds positive to me.
Glad the Bra
Good Morning Captain Tom!
Please put me down for Dec 16th!
Barkeep don't know what you put in the thermos last night but when I opened her up this morning it seemed to have... evaporated? Yeppers, all gone, nada
(hic oops scuse me)
Better fill it up again and put more anti freeze in it so it won't get away. Might as well as get a steak and egg (runny) sandwich witha side order of beens and home fries and save some for Lars, Pete and Eric!
Anyway we change course and heading a tad more to the South so we aren't sitting on a heading of 240 degrees True (240T).
Watched a Grain carrier go by earlier and have to say I "glad I'm here and not there!" Roll baby Roll!
Trolley Rob: Thanks for the info on CN Diesels a couple of notes regarding why they were built under contract I found interesting. The MESS has 4 C-Liners, two 5 axle passenger and two freight. Good runners and I like their looks. I do have some pics of Nfld Railway stuff on my Railimages site if you are interested.
Lars: I have several Nautical dictionaries and you'ld be surprised what terms we use are from us Mariners. It's all above board.
Pete and Eric thanks for sentiments but as long as I pack the thermos I'll be fine!
Anyway guys I have to run so I will check in later.
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house, and $ for the jukebox. It's a bit coolish outside today (low 20's) and Boris looks like he needs some exercise so let's watch him clog to "Paddy on the Railway," "The Gold Rush," and "Gloucester Girls." Something for everybody on that list and he like all of those tunes. I am going to duck out of here for a little while, but will be back a bit later as they want me to do a building safety inspection this a.m. Should not take too long, however.
TTFN
Time for another look at the Classic Trains of Europe - a bit modern, but still surely will become a Classic in all regards - the ICE Train of Germany!
RAILWAYS of EUROPE #4 - ICE (Germany)
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Deutsche Bahn (DB) Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources. Information not corroborated.InterCity Express ICE train (Wikipedia) The InterCity Express or ICE is a type of high-speed train operated by DB Fernverkehr in Germany and neighboring countries, for example to Zürich, Switzerland or Vienna, Austria. ICE-trains also run at lower speeds to Amsterdam, Netherlands and to Liège and Brussels, Belgium on the Belgian highspeed way. The Spanish railway operator RENFE also employs these trains, and the Russian state ordered 60 for new high-speed routes between Saint Petersburg and Moscow. The new management of the Russian railways is reviewing the order and apparently plans to reduce it to six trains. Another 60 trains were ordered for the Chinese Beijing-Tianjin high-speed rail line. Equipment and specifications 3rd Generation ICE "Frankfurt am Main" (GNU Free Documentation) ICE equipment is manufactured by an industrial consortium led by Siemens AG. ICE trains require special high-speed tracks to run at high speeds, but can run on normal tracks at normal speeds. The first generations were derived from the then-new class 120 electric locomotives. The powerheads of those units are in fact upgraded 120s with a more aerodynamic lining. Passenger cars can be coupled and uncoupled for maintenance, enabling the operator to run trains of different lengths. First-generation trains are currently undergoing a major redesign, including a standardization of train lengths. The third generation ICE has a completely different concept: The entire traction equipment is fitted underfloor, with a larger number of less powerful motors. An ICE 3 unit consists of eight cars, four of which are powered, while the others carry other electrical equipment, including the pantographs. This design allow seats in all parts of the train, including "lounge" seats at both ends separated from the driver by a glass wall only. The ICE 3M (class 406) is a multisystem variant of the ICE 3 that currently serves routes into the Netherland and Belgium. Licensing for French LGVs started in 2001 and has been described by engineers as a "clash of cultures". Problems included flying gravel and trackside equipment ripped loose by the ICE's magnetic brakes. Admission of the ICE 3M for regular service into France is expected late 2005 or early 2006. ICE-T ICE-TD train (Wikimedia Commons) Simultaneously to the development of the ICE 3, DB demanded new tilting trainsets to be able to serve conventional tracks that couldn't be upgraded to higher speeds. Originally these trains were to be called IC-T (InterCity-Triebzug), but just prior to their introduction, DB decided to charge ICE fares for these trains and renamed them ICE-T. These trains are constructed to a concept of distributed traction similar to the ICE 3. Three different types were ordered:
Units of either of these types can be coupled with one or more unit of the same or any other type within a few minutes. The electric units, equipped with tilting technology of the ETR 460 bought from FIAT, entered service in 1998. A second order for additional series 411 ICE-Ts. These units, known as ICE-T2, were delivered in 2004. The main difference to the original ICE-Ts are several cost-cutting measures, giving those trains a "cheaper" look and feel. For the diesel units, called ICE-TD, Siemens developed their own tilting technology, based on the aiming system of the Leopard 2 main gun. These trainsets became something of an embarrassment. They were to be delivered in 2000, but braking problems caused delays, so they entered service in spring 2001. Their first year in operation was overshadowed by software failures and problems with the tilting technology. One of the 20 trains fell off a maintenance platform and had to be written off. When those problems were fixed and the train finally ran without apparent problems in December 2002, a train derailed because of a broken axle. The trains were temporarily pulled out of service by the federal rail authority. When Siemens had fixed the problem, DB refused to take the trains back, claiming they weren't meeting specifications. It is speculated that besides technical difficulties, these trains were an economical burden as well. Source claim that even when filled to capacity, income from fares would be below the operating cost.
Good Morning Barkeep (again) and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We'll let Boris rest for the present as he still looks a bit winded after his earlier exertions.
Let's go through the stack of posts and see what we can find.
Rob has been busy with all kinds of diesel information. An RS23? Hot dog! There's something you don't see every day. The CN C liners were a good take as well. I remember the New Haven's C liners quite well. CN operated FM power on the CV every now and then but those engines were a different FM model. I recall the RS18s in various versions as well. IMHO, the chop nose on the rebuild really didn't improve their appearance. The r/bs reminded me of a C420 with the proportions just a little "off." FPA4s - Remember chasing them in different parts of Ontario and also riding behind them. Brockville was a good place to catch them because of the arrival and departure (and switching) of passenger trains that occurred there.
Pete provided some interesting reflection re DPM and his tenure at Trains magazine. He did a lot of steam-related articles and different rr profiles and features back during the transition era and there was lots of commentary and expressions of mourning for steam expressed in the letters to the editor section of the magazine. However, remember that DPM also did an annual "all-diesel" issue of Trains as well. IIRC it usually appeared in December. He himself said that producing the magazine was sometimes like doing a high wire act or words to that effect. I can relate to that having been involved with magazine production for approx 18 years (I gratefully relinquished that task about a year ago). There's always going to be some readers who have problems, no matter what you do. It goes with the territory.
I also appreciated your comments re railroad artists. The best one working recently, IMHO, was Ted Rose. Get a copy of his book In the Traces if you can - it's one of the best I have ever seen.
Your observation on "out of their usual area" engines was a good one. The U.S. situation has been somewhat similar. Much of the "out of place" phenomenon occurred as a result of mergers, dating back at least 40 years. Examples that come to mind right off are E-L, the N&W-NKP-WAB-ACY merger, the whole Family Lines System, Chessie, etc. This made for interesting times to be out with a camera. A couple of others mergers that come to mind that really shook things up in the Northeast were Penn Central as we got to see all kinds of stuff that wandered into New England and Conrail. The early days of CR were incredible for the variety of strange beasties that came to visit. Then, of course, there was Amtrak which not only brought "foreign" equipment to different parts of the country, it also brought strange and different locomotives as well.
DD1 Has been to see us as well. I liked your remarks about "human engineering" and design. Amazing what has to be done as we get bigger because we are more sedentary. Also, many thanks for the model photographs - they enlarged well and I enjoyed looking at them. Trains on stamps has always been a popular "topical" for collectors. Neat!
Fergie is asea - One hand for you and one for the ship. Your remark about the Thermos brought to mind what Cap'n Jack says, "Why do they always move the rum?"
And Lars is still driving the bookmobile. Nice to look at all the C&O material. I know many of the authors and have contributed to some of their stuff as well.
Jan has been by - take it slow!
Eric - Glad to see that the "shiny side is up" again. I liked the picture of MARC 83 at D.C. Upper level, west side - where the B&O "usta be." I have a picture of an ancient B&O E8 with a Sunday only passenger train taken in about the same spot a looooong time ago. Train name was the "Potomac 35." Yes Boris, they tied the name and the train number together, not something you see every day.
Allan stopped by as well - Good to hear from you.
DL - The Amtrak site as OSP suggested is probably about the best source. They do have route guides for different long haul routes as well as a more general "vacation planner" type guide. You need to look unde specific train names as well when you search the site.
OSP is keeping us going as always. I did several training courses for miners from Cape Breton (back before the bottom fell out of the industry for the most part up there). Great folks to work with.
Thanks for the NFLD info. The Branson pictures were good as well, especially for those of us interested in things geological. Then we get to ride on the ICE train - excellent!
Contest? Let's see Lars on December 10.
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!
Ruth my deAH, looks like I made it in at a time when Da Bossman is here too! That doesn't happen very often. Have one on me, Cap'n Tom!
And for me, I'll take a double hit of JD on the rocks - then a Larsman special hero sandwich (sometimes hoagie) of ham, ‘n Swiss, mustaHD ‘n buttAH with two extra large ‘n crunchy pickles from the barrel. <yum> Of course, treats for the crittAHs ‘n that small jar of PPF for Boris - once he feeds that gang that is!
Looks like a winnAH yesterday with all of the posts ‘n just about everyone who claims this place as their own showing up. Nice to see for a change! Drinks on the Manager <aka: 1st Mate> Boris, ring the bell!
For Cap'n Tom: Took a bit of prodding, but it appears we're getting some responses to this latest CONTEST from Da Bossman. Three thousand posts for a thread like ours is indeed something special. I'm somewhat AMAZED that our two Canadians can't figure it out though . . . neither of ‘em got it "right" <the first time> by picking not only the date but the person too! <geesh> <duh>
Liked those WWFTS offerings in your morning wake-us-up! Also fine job with the ICE Train . . . always kinda bothers me to think that this country had the chance to go with technology like that <and the X2000> but didn't. <arrrrggghhh> <double arrrrgggghhhh>
For Fergie: I spent 4 years in the US Navy and 40 as a "merchie," so I'm pretty "up" on nautical terms. Used to sail with a guy who was a walking, talking reference book of ‘em. Drove us absolutely crazy! He was a "decky" so what do you expect Anyway, some really interesting backgrounds on just where all of those terms we use aboard ship originated. Some you'd nevAH know the origins, as they've been pretty much destroyed over the years.
All of my time at sea was below decks where the ride was much bettAH! <grin> Got hotter than the shades of Hades down there, but as is said, "You get used to it." <grin>
Can't say much about the origination of the word "boss" other than to say I've had a few who would've made great anchors. <uh oh> All words have an origin, and my opinion is they came from back when we dragged our knuckles and uttered things like <uh> ‘n <duh>.
For Rob: You deposited quite a bit of material on us, which ain't bad, but surely takes up lotsa space. Haven't seen the likes of that kind of posting since the days of the guy who left without so much as a fair-thee-well. But for your efforts . . . all quality stuff ‘n the pix are great. No, I haven't gotten through your write-ups, but hope to . . . .
Fergie specifically said that Cap'n Tom was to mete out the punishment. How did those <ahem> "gals" H&H factor in to any of this I do think you've got a "thing" for the <larger sized> women of northern Europe! <grin>
For Pete: Can always count on our Bar Chandler to pick up on the little things in the posts. Glad you enjoyed those C&O covAHs! Good advice given to you by Rob for use of the dippAH. But you'll be WATCHED! <uh oh>
I'm feeling dumber than a post, but WHAT have I missed that is going on between you ‘n Cap'n Tom???????
For Allan: Also glad you enjoy the covAHs . . . Patriots aren't a favorite of mine - they are in Boston (Foxboro) 'n I'm in New YAWK! <grin> They could lose ‘em all <which they won't> ‘n it would put a smile on my ugly mug! Have a Tui on me, mate!
For Eric: Yeah, it's good to go into the "yards" ‘n get the parts back in working order before embarking on a new mission. Just gotta make sure the docs don't wind up with "extra" parts . . . <uh oh> Glad you're feeling bettAH ‘n the prospects are good for you.
I recall hearing about Santa Lucia from both grandfathers . . . in Norway I believe it's not celebrated as in Sweden, but is recognized in other ways. I'm 2nd generation, so don't hold me to that!
Yeah, that Chessie Kitten is my Mrs. favorite too . . . <grin>
For Shane: Good to see you've been allowed to come up for air, mate! Have one on me . . . chocolate milk?!!?!?!?!? Really?!?!?!?
Time again for another Blast from the Past in the form of a nostalgia piece from the archives!
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #63
<A form of this was initially Posted on Jan 24th, 2006 - Page 229 of the Original Thread>
Cars For Proud Trains Without exception, the stainless steel railway passenger cars built by The Budd Company go into their owners' finest trains. On the Pennsylvania, for example, you may ride in them on the Broadway Limited, The General, The Red Arrow, the "Spirit of St. Louis" and others of its blue ribbon fleet. Where quality is a consideration, either in appeal to the public or in dependable, economical operation, the things Budd makes have achieved a unique and strengthening position.
The great complex of Budd industrial facilities, producing a quarter of a billion dollars worth of goods annually, has sprung from one basic philosophy- build better products through the use of superior materials and challenging design.
The Budd Company, Phila., Detroit. Budd
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Enjoy!Tom
Just popped in for a quickie Leon, Tui`s for all the crew please!
Tom. Just a quick visit today with my posting contest entry. Put me down for 11th Dec please, and you will be the 3000 poster.
To all. Just had a quick look at the latest great posts, and will catch up to acknowledge them all ASAP!
A pint of Bathams please LEON on this busy day.
ALLAN Glad you enjoyed the photos and thanks for the kind words.
Yes the A4s were special locomotives and with that fantastic chime whistle as well. To celebrate the 100th anniversary of the present Rugby station (which recently as been extensively rebuilt) there was a great open day, held in some sidings near the station, with a collection of diesels and electric locomotives. Also there was the preserved A4 Sir Nigel Gresley, although not moving, she was in steam and you could visit the footplate and the youngsters could sound the chime whistle, which could be heard a good mile away with the wind in the right direction.
The Duchess of Montrose you saw at Euston was one of the Glasgow Polmadie ones when I was spotting. I always thought the Glasgow Duchesses were kept in great condition.
I thought you would like that painting which was titled ‘Fog on the Tyne'. I remember a few years back they had an exhibition of the Guild of Railway Artists artwork on the Severn Valley Railway to see about 30 of the original paintings they were really wonderful.
ROB Many thanks for the info on the trolley equipment at ExpoRail.
Great to see the return of your Canadian Classic Diesels #s 40 & 41, illustrated with the great photos as well. I wonder when GMD built the plant in London Ontario, that many years later new locomotives built there would be running on several lines in Europe.
ERIC. Glad you are able to control the pain.
I asked Rob about the trolley equipment, Rob was able to help with the other works vehicle but was not sure what that particular car was for. I did post the photo before, perhaps Tom has a better one, and I will have a look.
Will you be heading down to the Branson Scenic Railway to renew your acquaintance with MARC #83 again.
Are those lights incorporated in the electrification support in your photo.
DL I shall look forward to your review of Whistle in the Night film and your next post.
As CM3 and Tom says a contact to Amtrak should help. They had a route guide to the Southwest Chief when we took it last September; I picked up my copy on the train.
FERGIE Thanks for explaining the meaning of 240T.
Runny egg sandwiches it a long time since I had one of those. Egg sarnies were a staple diet of my trainspotting expeditions as a kid, impossible to peal apart once made.
CM3 I hope your years in magazine production will be a topic at the rendezvous. I wonder how the sales figures of the all diesel issue of Trains compared to the others. I guess the circulation of Trains today is about the largest it as been, I can remember the figure but when I saw the subscribers alone I was amazed.. I must admit I do like the'feel' of Classic Trains magazine.
I must admit I find the letters page of the railway magazines one of the most interesting parts
I picket up a Ted Rose 2008 calendar at a museum in California Is 'In the Traces' still in print do you know
Enjoyed reading your ‘out of the usual area'. It seems the SP liveried locos, now with a UP number, seem to be getting more rare through here. I still like to see the locos that work the local freight to the factories along Industrial Drive, they are the smaller and I guess older locomotives although they usually work after dark.
LARS As you say 3,000 posts is quite an achievement for the bar and in less than a year as well, what makes it truly great is the quality of the posts..
This was what I posted when Tom first left for Branson
"Well RUTH lets hope we can keep the bar up to the standards while TOM is away. OK LEON you are ‘Jimmy the One' for the next few days. What's that BORIS they have delivered two cars of Keith's instead of two kegs, I did notice the two CN boxcars, not too worry we will have a Keith's promotion.
Good evening Captain Tom and all present!!
Leon, I'll just have a cup of coffee. Don't have time or possibilities to stay tonight. You'll keep the change!
A very short stop tonight. I stayed home from work today. It was this kind of day when one need a bath room within 3 ft at all times. In other words, not a pleasant day and I don’t feel pleasant tonight. Hopefylly things will have changed for the better when tomorrow comes! So I am afraid I will not have any inclusive comments this evening. But I noticed a queston from Pete: “Are those lights incorporated in the electrification support in your photo?”I don’t know what lights you are talking about. Could you clarify, please?Round for all!
Good evening Leon. I see that you are still cleaning up the debris in the kitchen from all thos running egg sandwiches da boyz ordered this morning. How on earth did so much stuff get up onto the ceilings Anywho just a Keith's for me this evening.
Tom-Wow two big posts from you today as well. Fighting fire with fire perhaps Oh well nice to see a couple days (daze) worth of healthy meaty subjects around here . No Boris I wasn't refering to your pet rats. Nice to re-read the Ice train info again
Eric-Many of the GMD1's are indeed still with us. CN still rosters 25 or so all in transfer service,probably another 10 are stored servicable.A fair number have been sold to teh Cuban State railway's as well where they continue doing what they do best.I did mean 3 axle , good catch, I do tend to miss the more glaring of type oh's sometimesThe 5 axle C-liners did indeed resemble the FL9's , the main difference is that they did not have teh third rail pick up shoes. They went with the trailing back axle to spread the weight of the rather heavy steam gen equipment they carried for steam heating the cars on the passenger trains.
Shane-Ah yes , I must agree with you teh RS18's did look better high hooded. Mind you teh last 30 or 40 built all for BC Rail the Cartier and Roberville and Saguney were built with low short hoods.Eastern Ontario was always an Alco Mecca of sorts. CPR kept their's in the Montreal region with the St Luc shops providing the rolling overhauls. CN also kept most of theirs in Toronto running them out of Spadina Roundhouse with servicing at Mac yard and at Pointe Ste Charles in PQ.The CN c-linners that bounced through on teh CV wree the four axle freighters in the normal 1600hp range . From what I understand CN used to test the new fandangled deisels on teh GT and CV before turning them loose system wide. I've seen pictures of FA's C-liners and even F3's and Geeps all running with steam in the US while they were being tested out.
Lars-Yup was real nice to see yesterday so well attended,kinda gives you that warm fuzzy feeling
Pete-Glad to have helped a bit. I think we all need to rendezvous at Delson maybe at some point in the future,imagins the trouble the lot of us could get into.It is neat to see the Euro-locomotives dribble out of the EMD plant in London. I remember lines of those new SD70 type ones that first went over to England 10-15 years ago when the WC had bought into the British rail scene.
fergie-Yes I would be interested in seeing your newf shots.I'll have to mosey over and take a look.I love the C linners too, mind you I may have gone a tad over board with them. I've and A-B-A set in both CP and CN and one of the passenger 5 axles as well. Oh well seemed to be a good idea at the time.
ob
This is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day!
Remember: "Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays.
Can you believe it - where now into DECEMBER! The final month of 2007 is upon us ‘n for many, the OH-FISH-UL beginning of the <fa la la la la> season! <yikes> Yeah, I know - it's being rushed upon us, but it's here folks . . . that's why the Christmas tree has been added to the masthead of this daily . . .
So on this day of relaxation for those of you who work your stern sections to the bone all week, join us for some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board ‘n of course a mug of steaming hot, freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee from the urns right over there . . .
CONTEST CLOSES Monday at NOON! (US/Canada central time)
Fergie sez: Dec 16th (???) <half an entry!>
CM3 Shane sez: Dec 12th (Lars)
Allan sez: Dec 11th (Tom)
Fergie (Fergmiester) at 7:55 AM: Sat link must've been uninterrupted as our Resident Canadian Maritime Mariner has arrived sooner rather than later!
Never quite know what we gonna get from our at sea customer - but having him aboard is a plus, fer sure, fer sure!
I see you've entered HALF the CONTEST! <grin> Wathchagonnado when one doesn't take time to READ! <groan> <grimace> <grin> Must be sharing a trolley with the guy from Ontario!
Always appreciate the visit ‘n business <KaChing - KaChing>
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:37 AM ‘n 11:32 AM: An early morning appearance by our over-worked ‘n under paid <yeah, right!> Resident WVA Connection! followed by a near-noon return!
Caught the comment you made about contributing to some of those Chessie books featured by our Manager, Lars. Care to elaborate
Juke box <Herr Wurlitzer> tunes appreciated along with the double-drop of quarters ‘n two rounds!
Lars (LoveDomes) at 11:39 AM: Yeah, I saw that we were both logged in - a rarity - a throwback to other times. Also caught that CM3 Shane was "in" with us . . .
Another installment of Chessie covers from our Manager ‘n Bookmobile operator! <sweet> That's sure a monster C&O steamer on the first cover!
Man oh man do I share your sentiments regarding the missed opportunities the U.S. had with regard to the purchase of modern passenger rail equipment . . . just think, had it all been bought when offered, perhaps - just perhaps we would be seeing more interest in the use of rail travel. Then again that's wishful thinking because our
Cindy my sweet, although my <heart> is with Ruth, I must say my eyes are <feasting> on YOU! Oh yeah, order something . . . coffee with a splash ‘n a number three from the menu board should do it. <phew>
Boris, the crittAHs are lined up, trays in paws - so let's get going ‘n feed ‘em their treats. <geesh> Yes, yes - then you may have that small jar of PPF I left for you behind the bar.
Sir Wolfman, I hope not to offend you - but I haven't a clue what your "funny" was about!?!! I read ‘n reread - but still "don't get it." So, it looks to me like the bar made a "deal" ‘n came out on top. Good job, mate - you get a <double dip> next time you draw your pay.
For a Saturday it surely has the "feel" of a Monday to it as I'm really ‘tween a rock ‘n a hard spot. The Mrs. has been dropped off for one of her "tests" that will take a couple of hours. So rather that cool my heels in the waiting room, looking through mags that have dates of 2006 on ‘em, I figured my time could be much bettAH spent back home.
So, I'm really not going to be able to give it much this morning - but I do have an Encore to help things roll along.
Good to see Allan - Pete - Eric ‘n Rob since my last visit!
Also nice work from Da Bossman <as usual> with that fine Budd advertisement. Looked pretty "cool" the way Cap'n Tom adds those ‘finishing touches,' huh Youbetchaboots!
The "Our" Place Christmas Tree looks mighty fine along side that great looking train . . . must be "the season"! <ho ho ho>
My submission for this Saturday . . .
These are a few of the pix that were atop Cap'n Tom's daily summaries over at the old bar . . .
Until the next time!
Lars
Since it is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day, thought I'd throw in a couple from the archives of the Original Bar . . .
These are from Page 20 on the Original Thread back in 2005. . .
siberianmo Posted: 02 Jun 2005, 08:35:00Before I forget, here's a bit of stuff about those LRC cars I rode between Montreal and Ottawa: The LRC (Light, Rapid, Comfortable) was a joint project begun in the late 1960s by a consortium of Montreal Locomotive Works, Alcan and Dofasco. A demonstration train (one locomotive and coach) could be seen in Canada and the United States in 1973 and 1974. The LRC was the first train to incorporate successfully a banking system to increase speed and comfort around curves on conventional track. Bombardier acquired MLW in 1975 and pushed ahead the LRC production model. Amtrak ordered ten coaches and two locomotives, and the LRC could be seen up and down the Northeast Corridor in the early 1980s. Up until the late 1990s, the Amtrak LRC coaches (in VIA paint) worked the Chicago-Toronto "International" service. In Canada the LRC had a tremendous impact. The LRC became the hallmark of VIA Rail Canada's improved Corridor services. More than 20 years later, the LRC is still state-of-the-art technology, and one of only a handful of successful tilting trains in operation around the world. Today almost all of VIA's original 100 LRC coaches are still in service. from Rapido Trains Inc. web siteAnd . . . .siberianmo Posted: 01 Jun 2005, 13:49:25 ANOTHER WHAT THIS THREAD IS ALL ABOUT SUBMISSION In my quest to ensure that "Our" Place stays on point, well at least some of the time, I thought a few comments about another of my railroad library books may be appropriate. From Passing Trains - The Changing Face of Canadian Railroading by Greg McDonnell. This hardcover book, given to me by my youngest son for my Birthday back in 2001, features a great wintry nighttime photo of VIA Rail's Canadian stopped at Parry Sound, Ontario (home of NHL legend, Bobby Orr) for the last time on January 14th, 1990. (The train had operated on Canadian Pacific tracks, but changed over to Canadian National, which it travels on to this day.) With such a fantastic cover, the book would simply have to be great .... which to me it is. Replete with outstanding photographs and narratives, I just cannot imagine any rail fan not becoming totally engrossed within its pages. The scenery is captured in all of its majesty and page after page seems to outdo the previous ones. The ruggedness of British Columbia is captured on page 155, where a photo of BC Rail's RDCs appears along the shoreline of Seton Lake, a very large and deep glacial lake with sheer cliffs dropping almost straight down to the water's edge. Carved out along one side is the right-of-way. The consist of four RDCs were preceded by a motor-car patrol for the purpose of ensuring a clear and unobstructed right-of-way. I traveled that route and it is every bit as beautiful and foreboding as the picture. Of course, seeing the "shot" from outside makes all the difference. The picture itself is a story ...... but I'll let you figure out what it is by discovering it for yourself! Another great photo is of VIA Rail's blue and yellow FP7's (ABA) pulling the Budd stainless steel consist through the snow and over a short trestle at Kicking Horse Pass, BC on February 11th, 1982 on the right-of-way of CP. A lone CP RDC1 heads for Halifax on April 25th, 1975 in Dominion Atlantic livery along the route known as the "Evangeline Route," or "Land of the Evangeline." The picture tells it all, as you can make out the near empty RDC skirting the shore of the Annapolis Basin near Deep Brook, Nova Scotia. Freight service ended on the "Evangeline" on December 20, 1989 and the final run for the RDCs was on January 14th, 1990, under VIA Rail livery. Enjoy! Tom
Before I forget, here's a bit of stuff about those LRC cars I rode between Montreal and Ottawa:
The LRC (Light, Rapid, Comfortable) was a joint project begun in the late 1960s by a consortium of Montreal Locomotive Works, Alcan and Dofasco. A demonstration train (one locomotive and coach) could be seen in Canada and the United States in 1973 and 1974. The LRC was the first train to incorporate successfully a banking system to increase speed and comfort around curves on conventional track. Bombardier acquired MLW in 1975 and pushed ahead the LRC production model. Amtrak ordered ten coaches and two locomotives, and the LRC could be seen up and down the Northeast Corridor in the early 1980s. Up until the late 1990s, the Amtrak LRC coaches (in VIA paint) worked the Chicago-Toronto "International" service. In Canada the LRC had a tremendous impact. The LRC became the hallmark of VIA Rail Canada's improved Corridor services. More than 20 years later, the LRC is still state-of-the-art technology, and one of only a handful of successful tilting trains in operation around the world. Today almost all of VIA's original 100 LRC coaches are still in service. from Rapido Trains Inc. web site
And . . . .
siberianmo Posted: 01 Jun 2005, 13:49:25 ANOTHER WHAT THIS THREAD IS ALL ABOUT SUBMISSION In my quest to ensure that "Our" Place stays on point, well at least some of the time, I thought a few comments about another of my railroad library books may be appropriate. From Passing Trains - The Changing Face of Canadian Railroading by Greg McDonnell. This hardcover book, given to me by my youngest son for my Birthday back in 2001, features a great wintry nighttime photo of VIA Rail's Canadian stopped at Parry Sound, Ontario (home of NHL legend, Bobby Orr) for the last time on January 14th, 1990. (The train had operated on Canadian Pacific tracks, but changed over to Canadian National, which it travels on to this day.) With such a fantastic cover, the book would simply have to be great .... which to me it is. Replete with outstanding photographs and narratives, I just cannot imagine any rail fan not becoming totally engrossed within its pages. The scenery is captured in all of its majesty and page after page seems to outdo the previous ones. The ruggedness of British Columbia is captured on page 155, where a photo of BC Rail's RDCs appears along the shoreline of Seton Lake, a very large and deep glacial lake with sheer cliffs dropping almost straight down to the water's edge. Carved out along one side is the right-of-way. The consist of four RDCs were preceded by a motor-car patrol for the purpose of ensuring a clear and unobstructed right-of-way. I traveled that route and it is every bit as beautiful and foreboding as the picture. Of course, seeing the "shot" from outside makes all the difference. The picture itself is a story ...... but I'll let you figure out what it is by discovering it for yourself! Another great photo is of VIA Rail's blue and yellow FP7's (ABA) pulling the Budd stainless steel consist through the snow and over a short trestle at Kicking Horse Pass, BC on February 11th, 1982 on the right-of-way of CP. A lone CP RDC1 heads for Halifax on April 25th, 1975 in Dominion Atlantic livery along the route known as the "Evangeline Route," or "Land of the Evangeline." The picture tells it all, as you can make out the near empty RDC skirting the shore of the Annapolis Basin near Deep Brook, Nova Scotia. Freight service ended on the "Evangeline" on December 20, 1989 and the final run for the RDCs was on January 14th, 1990, under VIA Rail livery. Enjoy! Tom
siberianmo Posted: 01 Jun 2005, 13:49:25 ANOTHER WHAT THIS THREAD IS ALL ABOUT SUBMISSION In my quest to ensure that "Our" Place stays on point, well at least some of the time, I thought a few comments about another of my railroad library books may be appropriate.
From Passing Trains - The Changing Face of Canadian Railroading by Greg McDonnell. This hardcover book, given to me by my youngest son for my Birthday back in 2001, features a great wintry nighttime photo of VIA Rail's Canadian stopped at Parry Sound, Ontario (home of NHL legend, Bobby Orr) for the last time on January 14th, 1990. (The train had operated on Canadian Pacific tracks, but changed over to Canadian National, which it travels on to this day.) With such a fantastic cover, the book would simply have to be great .... which to me it is. Replete with outstanding photographs and narratives, I just cannot imagine any rail fan not becoming totally engrossed within its pages. The scenery is captured in all of its majesty and page after page seems to outdo the previous ones. The ruggedness of British Columbia is captured on page 155, where a photo of BC Rail's RDCs appears along the shoreline of Seton Lake, a very large and deep glacial lake with sheer cliffs dropping almost straight down to the water's edge. Carved out along one side is the right-of-way. The consist of four RDCs were preceded by a motor-car patrol for the purpose of ensuring a clear and unobstructed right-of-way. I traveled that route and it is every bit as beautiful and foreboding as the picture. Of course, seeing the "shot" from outside makes all the difference. The picture itself is a story ...... but I'll let you figure out what it is by discovering it for yourself! Another great photo is of VIA Rail's blue and yellow FP7's (ABA) pulling the Budd stainless steel consist through the snow and over a short trestle at Kicking Horse Pass, BC on February 11th, 1982 on the right-of-way of CP. A lone CP RDC1 heads for Halifax on April 25th, 1975 in Dominion Atlantic livery along the route known as the "Evangeline Route," or "Land of the Evangeline." The picture tells it all, as you can make out the near empty RDC skirting the shore of the Annapolis Basin near Deep Brook, Nova Scotia. Freight service ended on the "Evangeline" on December 20, 1989 and the final run for the RDCs was on January 14th, 1990, under VIA Rail livery.
Enjoy!
Tom
A pint of Holden's please CINDY, in the bar a lot earlier than yesterday.
ERIC I hope you are feeling a lot better today.
Don't worry about my question, what I was asking about was the three, what look like light lamps on top of the crosspiece of the electric contact wire support, they have a bar hanging down ending in a white plate which looks like it is half way from the support to the platform.
Great photo of the Silver Charger
ROB Yes a rendezvous at ExpoRail would certainly be interesting; perhaps we could get Allan over from NZ to see one of favorite A4s.
A photo TOM took at ExpoRail.
One I took.
A couple of pairs of overalls and Tom and I are ready to take 60010 on the Flying Scotsman(I wish)
Yes it hard to believe it was 10 years ago that the EMD locomotives, known as class 66 in the UK, built at London Ontario arrived in Britain. The 66s are owned by Freightliner, DRS and GBRf as well as the once WC owned EWS, with over 400 locos delivered. I see that another 60 class 66s are being built for EWS to work in France, also that is said that EWS is going to be taken over by the German railway DB in the very near future.
LARS I was hoping you would ask what the ‘Arrangement' was I had with BORIS, but it seem as though it didn't copy from my word to the bar, no wonder you are confused Sorry. Anyway it involved an empty gondola, a friendly loco crew and VITO THE HIT's relation on the scrap metal business.
Great idea to show some of those great Canadian Photos that used to be on the top of Tom's posts It is ideas like that the explain why you are the manager and I am the chandler.
TOM Great to see the Christmas tree as well as the train. It is hard to believe it is December already.
It will be interesting to see how the new High Speed line in England to the Channel Tunnel does as regards passenger numbers; the line will also be used for commuters in Kent to get into the Capital in a short journey time. It still amazes me the opposition to light rail as well, although there is a great initial cost in most cases once a line is built it has to be extended owing to high passenger numbers.
They did say the rails were going to be left in place, but what they will do when the trail needs to cross a river etc. what will happen then I don't know. I agree with you if the tracks are torn up and the track bed turned over to the trail it would be near impossible to get the track bed for rail use. This as happened in the UK when a former line was wanted for as a extension to a preserved line also as a way of taking heavy trucks of narrow country roads with freight, it was turned down as the track bed is in use as a trail.
Really enjoyed those Encores from way back at the start of Our Place from Page 20.The LRC cars were a successful design and it would be good to have a ride in one. Really great review of the Passing Trains book. Many thanks for sharing.
With Tom's post on the DB yesterday here are some photos from Alan from Germany, taken in October this year.
This is WERNEGERODE in the evening before a trip up the BROKEN .
A pic of the engine hauling the train No. 99.7243 Alan thinks the location is DREI ANNEN HOHNE.
At the top of the BROKEN, in slightly better weather than Alan's last trip when it snowing
These are some remains of when the area was East Germany, on the left is a hotel.
An old DB standard gauge station at GERNRODE. Th
ENCORE! Saturday ‘n Photo Posting Day!
at "Our" Place!
We are CLOSED on SUNDAYs!
Starting Sunday at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!
. . . December 2nd thru 8th: Mission of the Shark: The Saga of the U.S.S. Indianapolis (1991) Starring: Stacy Keach, Richard Thomas, Don Harvey, Robert Cicchini & David Caruso - and The Wind That Shakes the Barley (2006) Starring: Cillian Murphy, Padraic Delaney, Liam Cunningham, Orla Fitzgerald & Mary O'Riordan SHORT: The Three Stooges - Phony Express (1943).
Mission of the Shark (1991)
PLOT SUMMARY: A true story: When a top secret naval mission leads to the torpedoing of the U.S.S. Indianapolis at the end of WWII, it began one of the most scandalous court-martials in the history of the military. For five days the surviving crew members were left in the shark-infested waters, with only half of them surviving to be rescued. Their well-respected Captain accepted the responsibility to keep the scandal to a minimum but his court-martial only served to show that justice is not always found in military proceedings but rather mere expediency. Tana Hobart, All Movie Guide
A true story: When a top secret naval mission leads to the torpedoing of the U.S.S. Indianapolis at the end of WWII, it began one of the most scandalous court-martials in the history of the military. For five days the surviving crew members were left in the shark-infested waters, with only half of them surviving to be rescued. Their well-respected Captain accepted the responsibility to keep the scandal to a minimum but his court-martial only served to show that justice is not always found in military proceedings but rather mere expediency. Tana Hobart, All Movie Guide
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URL of interest:
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-i/ca35.htm
The Wind That Shakes the Barley (2006)
PLOT SUMMARY: Winner of the Palme d'Or at the 2006 Cannes Film Festival, this gripping drama by Ken Loach (Raining Stones) is set during the early days of the Irish Republican Army, when British occupation of the Irish radicalized many a citizen and caused some to take up arms. Cillian Murphy plays Damien, a medical student on his way to London when he witnesses a couple of atrocities committed by British troops. Instead of becoming a doctor, he turns into a leading and respected figure in an IRA division led by his brother, Teddy (Padraic Delaney). The film provides some fascinating historical insight into the nascent resistance movement as it was in 1920, and Loach brilliantly conveys the profound emotional transition young men had to make to become saboteurs and killers. Loach's realistic style is absolutely mesmerizing, with many scenes built around the dynamics of large groups: contentious meetings, torture sessions, battles, celebrations, and the like. One has the sense of history as a pool of energy, and one also develops a kind of Renoiresque appreciation for the fact that different people on opposing sides of a life-or-death issue have their reasons for believing what they believe. As the story moves along, subtle shifts in the perspectives of men and women who had once agreed to be absolute in their fight for freedom results in a tragic yet understandable schism among Irish patriots. The final half-hour of The Wind That Shakes the Barley says a lot about how the Irish, including people who had known one another all their lives, turned their wrath on one another for so many decades. This is an outstanding film, featuring the best performance yet by Murphy (Red Eye). --Tom Keogh
Winner of the Palme d'Or at the 2006 Cannes Film Festival, this gripping drama by Ken Loach (Raining Stones) is set during the early days of the Irish Republican Army, when British occupation of the Irish radicalized many a citizen and caused some to take up arms. Cillian Murphy plays Damien, a medical student on his way to London when he witnesses a couple of atrocities committed by British troops. Instead of becoming a doctor, he turns into a leading and respected figure in an IRA division led by his brother, Teddy (Padraic Delaney). The film provides some fascinating historical insight into the nascent resistance movement as it was in 1920, and Loach brilliantly conveys the profound emotional transition young men had to make to become saboteurs and killers. Loach's realistic style is absolutely mesmerizing, with many scenes built around the dynamics of large groups: contentious meetings, torture sessions, battles, celebrations, and the like. One has the sense of history as a pool of energy, and one also develops a kind of Renoiresque appreciation for the fact that different people on opposing sides of a life-or-death issue have their reasons for believing what they believe. As the story moves along, subtle shifts in the perspectives of men and women who had once agreed to be absolute in their fight for freedom results in a tragic yet understandable schism among Irish patriots. The final half-hour of The Wind That Shakes the Barley says a lot about how the Irish, including people who had known one another all their lives, turned their wrath on one another for so many decades. This is an outstanding film, featuring the best performance yet by Murphy (Red Eye). --Tom Keogh
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SHORT: Phony Express (1943)
PLOT SUMMARY: When Red Morgan and his gang invade Peaceful Gulch, the local editor prints a picture of the Stooges (who are wanted for vagrancy) as three famous marshals coming to clean up the town. When the Stooges show up in town, Red and his gang are worried until they find out the Stooges are just tramps, but when the gang tries to get them the Stooges manage to kncok them out instead. The boys get hired to guard the bank, but when Morgan and his gang rob it anyway, it's up to the Stooges to get the gold back!
When Red Morgan and his gang invade Peaceful Gulch, the local editor prints a picture of the Stooges (who are wanted for vagrancy) as three famous marshals coming to clean up the town. When the Stooges show up in town, Red and his gang are worried until they find out the Stooges are just tramps, but when the gang tries to get them the Stooges manage to kncok them out instead. The boys get hired to guard the bank, but when Morgan and his gang rob it anyway, it's up to the Stooges to get the gold back!
good evening gents , a later than I had originally wanted to arrive this evening but I is here finally. So Leon just a guiness and perhaps a round for any of the track gangs that are still mobile enough to tip a glass
Tom-A yes tis the season to be sure,still the ole Our Place tree looks mighty fine. Arewe still buying our power from Vito's kid brother at the power plantIf so perhaps the Boris sized hamster ball and the dynamo in his shed might be a good thought during the festive lighting season.
Loved the re-read on your LRC post and the passing trains book,It's a favourite in my humble library as well.This weeks movies look interesting as well , at least ones I ahve not seen which is always a good thing.
Pete-Nice steam shots from your mate again, always good to see mainline steam in action fer sure fer sure. It indeed would be wonderfull to get everyone to exporail , what a hoot that would be.I'm not sure that you would want to wear overalls there.The locals might think you are members there, mind you as long as you have a functioning knowledge of French it wouldn't be a half bad gig , espeacially if you had full access to all those wonderfull exhibits.
Lars-Ah yes loved the re-rolls of all Tom's top 'o' the post pics If it helps Pete's joke did a fly by on me as well , even after he tried to splain it
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