Hi Allan I see you snuck in while I was playing with the ole cut and paste. Yes we too are plagued by teenage drivers and all the high jinz that ensues.One partial positive is that ten yeasr ago a realativly forward thinking provincial government made two changes to the licencing world. They brought in a two step licence program.S new would be drivers teens or otherwise have to pass a written exam to get their learners permit or G1 licence. they then do a road test after having a minimum amount of acredited in car training, once this is passed they get their G2,which allows them to drive o their own but it has certain rstrictions, no passenegers under the age of 16 , a zero tolerance for blood alcohol where normal drivers are allowed upto ( 0.08 ) they must stay off the major highways unless accompanied by an adult or at least soemone who has been fully licenced for a year.With in two years of passing their first roadtest and getting their G2 they must pass another roadtest to get their full G licence ( a G licence allows them to opearted any vehicle not requiring airbrakes or having a capacity of less than 9 passengers )If they don't do the second roadtest and apss it in the alloted time they have to start the whloe process over again.
Thanks for enjoying my write ups, it's good to know that peiople are reading them and enjoying them.
Rob
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house
Pete, the New York Central loco in the picture was "triple powered." Deisel, third rail, and pantograph
Rob, we need to know exactly where Stratford is.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/detail?id=1-1-24509-900031&name=Grand+Trunk+Ry.+of+Canada.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/detail?id=1-1-24500-900028&name=Erie+Railway+and+connections.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/detail?id=1-1-24554-900050&name=Santa+Fe.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/detail?id=1-1-20852-520045&name=England+canals,+railways.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/detail?id=1-1-24538-900044&name=Map+Boston+&+Maine+Railroad.
Old MacDonald's farm on Prince Edward Island had oxen. There's a turn-of-the-century photograph of my grandfather as a young man behind an ox-drawn plow.
Hey Mike nice maps. The first one would be correct as it's Stratford Ontario figured the CNR and grant Trunk references would have given that away seriously great old maps though. I have a map of the shop complex but it didn't blow up well so I did not include it in the post,I'll try to re-scan and repost it later though as it gives a layout of how the trackage ran in conjunction wiht the Big Shops.hey leon hows about another Keith's
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, a roastbeef sandwich, please. A cold Tui!
Everything went out of order tonight. Two powerful thunderstorms surprised eveyone in the Valley tonight. I had to babysit our dog. She is very afraid of thunderstorms.
Tom – I remembered the route of SP’s Daylight this morning, but thank you for the answer!I am starting to recognize your S-gauge layout! Recieved mails, thank you!Rob – This Brill had a 267 hp Chevy V8. Since I don’t know what they sounded like with the original engine I didn’t mind the sound. Thanks for a most interesting article on the Stratford shops! With the annex completion in 1948 it seems like a real waste of money to close the shop nine years later. Thanks for re-posting BK’s Pullman piece! Too sad they are no longer around. Interesting background on the Nearsides! Pete – In Sweden they brush the rails when it is slippery in the fall. I have been looking for a picture showing one but couldn't find it.Yes, I went to Hendon by Underground. Ah, thanks for the photo of Irish 2-car EMUs! Allan – I guess you have seen the Whale Rider before? I must admit I never heard about it before but it sounded interesting with a NZ movie! Mike – I thought so, that the Great Grain Elevator was gone. Thanks for the answer! And thanks for the maps. Now I know where Stratford is at. I also found that map of Arizona interesting. Something is not right, I have to check it out. Eric
Hello Tom and all in
I'll have a pancake breakfast please, just with coffee.
I had no idea I was making that 3,700 post - but thanks for marking it - pure chance. In fact I've been in each day this week and started to prepare my post - then got distracted and put it to one side. That hasn't helped custom, I appreciate - perhaps this round for the house will help?
Really enjoyed the Drumheads (it is great artwork - just like the posters of the period) and the Cincinnati info - the station architecture there is, in my view, classic design on world class level.
Some feedback from yourself, Rob and indeed Pete about the DMUs - here they are regarded by enthusiasts as a poor relation of a real train (with loco and cars) - I think this is sadly because the under floor power units contribute to noise in each car - and the often too poor internal layout creates a cramped design originally designed only for short haul travel but later amended to save money (on the basis that you could make units of only 2 car length and pack people in - a trick learned from the aircraft industry). I presume the positive comments from across the pond reflect what must be the high quality of Budd railcars and the affection they command here at Our Place. I'd like to ride a Budd railcar some day to make the comparison!
Eric - thanks for the dictionary link to Handraulic!
Nick - sounds like you've been having some good weather down there. I'm headed to Brecon in about a week for a couple of days (by rail as close as I can get) - hopefully the weather will be not too bad in East Wales.
Rob - interesting story about Stratford Shops - reminds me of the cull of shops that happened in the UK towards the end of steam. Pete will know but I think BR had a ‘workshop reorganisation plan' in the late 60s which saw the demise of long standing works like Brighton, Ashford, Darlington, Lancing and no doubt others - with a concentration on fewer premises (many of which themselves have now closed - eg Swindon, Derby Loco etc). This must have been a big change for the towns concerned - many of which had little in the way of other engineering jobs for people to go to (eg Brighton is essentially a resort town, so when the works closed there I wonder what the staff did?).
Allan - I seem to recall that the Federation Brewery is still going - I thought I saw it from the A1 last time I drove past Newcastle - but I must admit that was a good 5 years or so ago so I may be confused. Federation Ale does not have a great reputation - as you imply.
I can imagine what you mean about accents! I only learned recently about mackems - obviously known about Geordies for many years.
Pete - nice selection of Irish pics - I bet the lines there are of interest - I've never been on holiday there, which in a way is something I regret. I understand many of their longer distance trains still have restaurant car facilities at a reasonable price.
I think you are right about the Museum of Army transport at Beverley - I think it did close but I don't know what happened to the stock. Was Gazelle and ex Potts loco?
One of the interesting things about Rolt's book is that he tells the story of the demise of Kerr Stuart loco works - he was apprenticed there and the company was in fine fettle - even in 1930, with busy orders (inc 50 Panier tanks for the GWR under subcontract from Swindon). It turned out that the Chairman of the Company (a city of London type) had illegally used Kerr Stuarts as some sort of collateral with the Midland Bank for an investment he was making with another unrelated company that then failed. The Bank then foreclosed on the loan and forced Kerr Stuart's into receivership - completely destroying the business as the assets were sold by the receivers. Pretty tragic really. In all this he lost his £100 apprenticeship bond his family had paid to Kerr Stuarts, due to be repaid at the end of the apprenticeship.
He had to finish his appretiship at Lister engines in Gloucestershire - some info about them is here
http://cotswoldedge.org.uk/dursley/listers.htm
When this was all investigated the said chairman disappeared never to be seen again, whilst his secretary was found locked in his office, papers burned in the fireplace, dead from a gun shot - suicide presumed...
I've not got further than this in the book so can't tell you more - but he lost his £100 - which would have been a lot in 1930 (probably at least £5,000 now).
The Liverpool - Harwich through trains must have stopped soon after I used it I think. The services on that route now go Liverpool - Manchester (via CLC route) - Sheffield (via Edale) - Nottingham (via Trowell) - Grantham (apart from one via Loughborough) - then East Coast Main Line to Peterborough - Ely then across Fens and Brecklands to Norwich. The service uses 158 DMUs or 170 DMUs. The problem is that the franchise specifications on privatisation tend to cement these routes ‘in stone' - leaving very little flexibility for an operator to change a route if they think it worth doing.
These days for Harwich you'd probably have to change a couple of times after Ely. Strangely I can't actually recall what route the Harwich Train took after Peterborough (I suppose) - but I do recall having to get to the station early in the morning to get it! On arrival at Harwich there were 2 boat trains side by side and they made a contrast - A locomotive hauled rake of at least 8 Mk 2 carriages from London and our diminutive 2 car 156 DMU next to it! This must have been 1989 or 1990.
I've not been on a Pendolino but they look very uncomfortable in second class - with very small windows and seats that do not line up well with them. It does not look much better in first class.
I read a review of the new Grand Central Sunderland - York - London service - they have refurbed Mk3 carriages and made a special effort to line ALL seats with windows - so in second class this means a first class amount of leg room - if not seat width! They also offer half price fares for people over 60 - no railcard required I think.
Here are some pictures:
http://www.grandcentralrail.co.uk/gallery.html
It looks worth a try.
I'll post this now! (even though I've just spotted some other recent posts - inc Mike's excellent maps - a real help to those of us across the pond who don't know the geography like the back of our hands - unlike the UK rial network which i could probably draw blindfold!)
Regards DL
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G'day Gents!
Let's not delay - the coffee ‘n pastries are fresh - breakfasts ready too!
For some strange reason, petrol prices are still at $2.78 rounded in spite of the world market prices topping the century mark.
Blue skies on Wednesday - coooooooold - brisk ‘n we're now into a winter storm warning for these parts of mid-continent USA. <uh oh> More ice than snow - more sleet than snow - more <crap> than snow! At the moment (early Thurs AM) it is freezing rain with everything white ‘n pretty, but oh so treacherous to walk or drive . . . <ugh>
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Comments from the Proprietor:
It's time to recognize that as the numbers of regulars <translated: dependable supporters of the bar> dwindles, so does the activity at the bar. While Lars will be sorely missed, the mysterious absence of CM3 Shane has pretty much put the "cap" on the morning activities. Don't know how much longer this will go on, but let's just keep on keeping on - not to worry, we'll pull thru this latest drought . . .
THIS JUST IN: CM3 Shane reports that he's been on the binnacle list . . . so, here's hoping for a full 'n speedy recovery from whatever it is that gotcha!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Wednesday - Feb 20th: <all times Central standard>
Page 186 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 12:12 PM: Much appreciation for the noontime visit - bailed us out of another becalmed moment . . .
I think you're on top of the movie rights to the "Black Bag" feature - so, keep going, you're doing fine . . . Filling up the upstairs "coffers"can't all be bad . . .
Neopolitan denim Really! <yikes>
Interesting comments from our somewhat demented Resident Ontario Connection! <uh oh>
Page 186 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 2:08 PM ‘n 2:15 PM: As mentioned in a previous Post - you ALMOST got <tweeted> for NOT using the REFRESH feature - caught ya! Anyway, it was good speaking with you ‘n appreciated the call!
Really, really enjoyed your Stratford Shops submission - chock full o' material I had not idea about. Not that I SHOULD have known all of it - but just really an interesting piece! Amazing how that locomotive in the air looks almost toy like! Guess wearing a hard hat would be the least of one's concerns while working in that environment! <uh oh> Truly a shame that all is gone into history - just a fantastic complex of talent ‘n technology in a bygone era . . .
Thanx for the S-Capades comments . . . S is a great size ‘n while there aren't that many choices out there, what is available from American Models ‘n S-Helper is quality fer sure, fer sure.
You sure know WHEN to splurge with the free drinks!
Page 186 - Pete (pwolfe) at 3:28 PM: Not trying to burst your bubble, but you DO speak "funny"! <uh oh> But don't let that reality keep you from trying to master American English!
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (with something to help the cough); round for the house and $ for the jukebox. My apologies for the absence but I got felled by the sickness which is going on around here. As Nick would say, "Switch to unfiltered, they'll help the cough." Gas went up .20/gal yesterday - $3.29 today.
Well, let's see what's been happening. My apologies in advance to those who got missed or left out - it's not intentional.
DL - Kudos for the 3700th post.
Pete has been in with commentary and some most enjoyable pictures. The nameplate is just beautiful.
Nick has been by with notes and observations as well.
Eric - Thanks for the location of the FL9 picture.
Your comments of stopping trains in autumn conditions were right on target. Starting them is fun as well.
One of the all-time great railroad books, High Green and the Barkpeelers (about the B&M in the late 40s and early 50s), has some excellent material about engineers dealing with similar conditions with steam locomotives.
In this part of the world, we have lost of trees and the terrain is pretty rugged. This means that leaves often blow onto the tracks in the autumn. Combine that with rain or frost or dew and you can have a 4-5 locomotive consist stopped dead. GEU25Bs were bad for that sort of thing. Another story for the Rendezvous.
Some Altoona-related material is at the end of this post.
The picture of the back side of CVUT shows what it is like today. Remains of the concourse are in left center of the photo. This structure used to extend outward across the tracks to the right. I recall riding N&W and and L&N trains out of there - Lord it was a hike sometimes. Look at the top of the picture and you'll see a set of windows that somewhat resemble an airport control tower. The tower for the terminal was located there. It was a monstrous interlocking plant.
OSOP graciously sent a picture of the front of the building. The inside was (and is) beautiful Art Deco. Unfortunately, many of the mosaics that were inside were removed to the Cincinnati Airport (which is across the river in KY) - at least they were not destroyed. I had the fortune of traveling through the station before it was all cut up.
Allan visited with comments
Rob was by with interesting summaries and comments. Pullman also came up with so-called broiler-buffet-parlor cars during the Great Depression. These were used on trains that did not necessarily need a full diner (yes, Boris, it was all about the money). One of the few Ian Wilson books (probably butchered the spelling) I have is To Stratford Under Steam. The interior shop picture you sent reminds me very much of the C&O erecting shop at Huntington, WV (still in use today).
Mike sent some fascinating pictures. The NYC&HR grain elevator was a dominant feature of NY back then. The Boston and Albany had a similar structure in East Boston and the B&M had one as well.
One of your photos showed some stock cars and refrigerator cars with a wondrous steam shovel
Then there was one showing several cuts of milk cars. Much of the milk that came down to New York back then originated in Vermont on the Rutland. Dairyman's League was a coop and Sheffield Creamery as in VT.
Then we had a cut of cars from PFE and MDT. MDT was operated by the NYC - their car shop was in Syracuse. Check out the brakeman on the car roof. Last - the tri-power locomotives were fascinating pieces of power. There's not that many shots of them in their native habitats. Thanks for sharing.
DL sent an interesting post - We will, effective immediately open a Handraulic section at the Mentor Museum of Lost and Forgotten technologies.
OSP is keeping us up and at ‘em. Music of the Maritimes - we must discuss further as the bride has lots of folks from Nova Scotia. Therefore we have mannny CDs.
Thanks for the drumheads and I like the TT cut of the GG1.
Interesting movies at the Theatuh. As some of you know, I have spent yrs studying the Civil war. "Gettysburg" is not all that bad - two of the best scenes are of "Fair Catch" Corby blessing the Irish Brigade, and the scenes early in the movie when Reynolds sends the Iron Brigade forward into the woods. Also, keep an eye of the transformation(s) of "Ol' Pete's" beard throughout the picture - it's alive I tell you, it's alive. Quiz for the day - how did the nickname "Fair Catch" Corby come about?
I have not seen "Whale Rider," although my daughter has and she liked it a lot.
Also, it seems like your library is growing. I also appreciated the additional construction pictures of the S gauge segment.
Being a certified SPF, here are two sites which will give you additional information about PRR Altoona Shops.
http://www.trainweb.org/horshoecurve-nrhs/Guide/htm
The above site has links to digitized books in the Altoona Public Library as well as general historic and contemporary information.
http://www.explorepahistory.com/hmarker.php?markerID=677
The photos in the above site will enlarge (at least they did when I checked the site a few minutes ago).
Work safe
P.S. will try and post tomorrow but we may be doing stuff (naturally because we are supposed to have an ice storm).
Here's one to challenge those of you who find it difficult to walk ‘n chew gum! LISTEN to the song while following along READING the lyrics!
Now Arriving on Track #1
Back in the Day - Number Thirteen
Canadian Railroad Trilogy
Canadian Railroad Trilogy < ©1967 by Gordon Lightfoot >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zjoO170XFI
There was a time in this fair land when the railroad did not run When the wild majestic mountains Stood alone against the sun Long before the white man and long before the wheel When the green dark forest was too silent to be real
But time has no beginnings and history has no bounds As to this verdant country they came from all around They sailed upon her waterways and they walked the forests tall And they built the mines, the mills and the factories for the good of us all
And when the young man's fancy was turning to the spring The railroad men grew restless for to hear the hammers ring Their minds were overflowing with the visions of their day And many a fortune lost and won and many a debt to pay
For they looked in the future and what did they see They saw an iron road running from the sea to the sea Bringing the goods to a young growing land All up from the seaports and into their hands
Look away said they across this mighty land From the eastern shore to the western strand
Bring in the workers and bring up the rails We gotta lay down the tracks and tear up the trails Open her heart let the life blood flow Gotta get on our way 'cause we're moving too slow
Bring in the workers and bring up the rails We're gonna lay down the tracks and tear up the trails Open her heart let the life blood flow Gotta get on our way 'cause we're moving too slow Get on our way 'cause we're moving too slow
Behind the blue Rockies the sun is declining The stars they come stealing at the close of the day Across the wide prairie our loved ones lie sleeping Beyond the dark ocean in a place far away
We are the navvies who work upon the railway Swinging our hammers in the bright blazing sun Living on stew and drinking bad whiskey Bending our backs til the long days are done
We are the navvies who work upon the railway Swinging our hammers in the bright blazing sun Laying down track and building the bridges Bending our backs til the railroad is done
So over the mountains and over the plains Into the muskeg and into the rain Up the St. Lawrence all the way to Gaspe Swinging our hammers and drawing our pay Driving them in and tying them down Away to the bunkhouse and into the town A dollar a day and a place for my head A drink to the living, a toast to the dead
Oh the song of the future has been sung All the battles have been won On the mountain tops we stand All the world at our command We have opened up the soil With our teardrops and our toil
For there was a time in this fair land when the railroad did not run When the wild majestic mountains stood alone against the sun Long before the white man and long before the wheel When the green dark forest was too silent to be real When the green dark forest was too silent to be real And many are the dead men too silent to be real
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Good afternoon folks , Ruth I see that the tab has not be terribly butchered yet but some dents have occured so it's a good thing I think I'll just grab a ham sandwitch with all the fixings and of coarse a nice big cold Keith's.
Eric-Nice picture of the old streetcar / interurban ,where did that shot come from It was on teh surface an odd moce to expand and then shut down the shops so quickly but at the time in the late 40's the diesel manufacturers hadn't got their Canadian plants up and running and purchasing the locomotives from the US would have had grave tax and duty leavies so everyone thought at the time that diesilization would have been even slower than it was proceeding at everyone figured at the time mid-sixities would have been the reralistic timming of all steam being replaced, heck the CPR's own shops were turning out new locomotives in the late 40's pacifics and the Big Selkirks.most of which saw barely a decade of service.But MLW ( Alco ) CLC ( Fairbanks-Morse and baldwin -Lima ) and of coarse GMD ( EMD ) all got up and running and producing the diesel locomotives far faster and in greater numbers than was originally thought. the writing was on the wall though as CN had already converted the Point Ste Charles and Transconna shops to diesel locomoives as their primary focus CPR had done the same with the St Luc shops in Montreal .
Remebering also that the CNR at the time was still a wholely owned Federal crown Corporation so money didn't really matter.
those Brills would have come with an early Whitcomb or Winton diesel similar to the earlier doodlebugs EMC was putting out likely a 600hp distilled or gasoline powered engine,not very reliable. they would have sounded like over grown Moel T's.
Tom-What can I say I know when to and not to spend a buck neverthe less looks like the regulars are starting to belly up so I'm sure that teh bathtubs will remain replenished.
As to the posts I had to do two as I was just trying to find out if the first one working was just a fluke.Not sure why the widescreen thing happened didn't on my preview
don't knock the Italian cut overalls and dungerees,Leon seems to like them , heck even H&H are thinking of importing the whole line so all of mentor villiage can enjoy the fine Italian craftmanship,keeps Vito out of trouble at any rate and he is giving us a cut , I told him no less than 20 %. Looks like the movie deal is gonna be go as well all the tees have been crossed,no one would think otherwise espeacailly in a Vito n Guido production. the Mentor Fusliers and the Ladies of perpetual motion have all aggreed to be background players ( more so for the fusiliers )Molly's even thinking that the whole thing will have a lot of music and dance akin to a Busby Berkely production that means more of the ladies perpetually moving.
Interestuing thoughs on RDC';s and those DMU's you mentioned some pics would be nice eventually Like you think I don't think that 200 tons of locomotive travelling over one's head would cause much of a thought to wear a hardhat,more of a nuisance than a saver,mind you it would protect you from minor knocks like walking into a boiler tube or something. some shots of the big shops make them look like they went on for ever which they really did,hard to trell that they were really around when you drive by the location nowaday's. The minor outbuildings are still there used by CN's car department and tack gangs.
CM3-Not good that you got sidelinned by a bug, but we kinda figured that it must be something like that. You've got one of the best of the Wilson books try to get the other five though they are all excellant in their own right,they make darn fine reference works as well Ian's one of the best one heck of a good guy and he's not much older than me beats me by about three years or so.
Dan-Good to see you in again happy 3,700th post by the way As I mentioned above the rush to deisilization caused mist railroads over here to severly downgrade all those old brick and mortar loco shops n backshops. Just no need for all the infrastructure as the diesel's were so much easier to care for. lots of jobs lost as well , hostelers firemen engine wipers not to mention all the trades used for boilermaking and repair. Lots of people refer to the 50's as the golden years of railroading but not so for those whose job was to maintain the steam fleets.
I have no point of reference to compare Budd cars to EMU's or EMU's as I've never had a ride on either type. I would say though that on ewould think that any underfloor drive would be more of a noisy affair,I aggree with Tom though neither type would make for a great long distance rider I would think . The Budd's slightly better only because they were designed for a slower longer run.
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Hey Tom nice pick love that Lightfoot song. If you have the time why not join me in a pint or two Helga can always run us home on her motorbike. I mean Nick survived with few bite marksthey certainly don't right them liek that anymore. This one and the Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald are my two personal Lightfoot favourites.
Couple photo's to keep moving us along
two shots of the TN&O steamer preserved at North Bay Ontario
Two shots of TH&B consolidation #103 preserved at Westerfield Pioneer Villiage in Kitchener ontario
Good evening Tom and all at the tavern-by-the-track. A round of drinks on me. As you may have heard, my computer was striken with a nasty virus. I have been able to reset to an earlier date so I can continue, but I think the virus is still there. I bought an anti-virus program, but can't install it, due to not enough RAM. I have to take it in and have it upgraded. Until then, I'm afraid to publish anything over the web for fear of spreading the virus. I'll return later after this mess is straightened out.
For Dl: My MG was a 1952 model TD(export model). The TC was my favorite. I didn't like the TF because they molded the headlights into the fenders.
For all: I quickly ran through all the posts, and found much of interest. At a later date, I will try to address those that I can respond to.
Railway Events of 1938
Unknown date events
Mallard
Mallard at the National Railway Museum at York.
Power type
Steam
Designer
Sir Nigel Gresley
Builder
LNER Doncaster
Serial number
1870
Build date
March 3rd 1938
Configuration
4-6-2
Gauge
1,435 mm (4 ft 8½ in)
Length
70 ft
Locomotive weight
102.95 long tons (104.6 t)
Locomotive and tender combined weight
1 165 long tons (167.6 t)
Top speed
126mph
Class
A4
Retired
April 25th 1963
Restored
1986 until 1988
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Bathams XXX on this icy day please RUTH.
ROB Many thanks for BK's encore on Pullman and his cars. Pioneer must have been quite a sight when it first came out, costing about 5 times the cost of a normal car at the time.
Enjoyed reading the Nearside Car encore. I noticed that passengers could still use the rear doors to leave the car, I wonder if there was a problem of people trying to sneak on and getting a free ride through the rear doors.
Reading in your reply to Eric it seems Canada was the same as Britain, in that in the rush for diselisation there were nearly new (by steam terms) and very good steam locomotives just swept aside, On BR there was the 9F class of 2-10-0s that some have said were the best steam freight locomotives Britain ever had, some of the class were scrapped after only 5 years of service, a criminal waste of money in my opinion. I bet it would not have happened if the railways had been still in private hands. OH NO it's off to the Rat's Patoot Room for me again.
Many thanks for the photos, I think #503 as a bit of an East European look to her with those large smoke deflectors and #103 is a fine looking engine.
Yes the bag as let the thought of the movie go to its head, but hearing that Sean Connery is going to star may get it interested after all.
I had wondered why the sequin works were asking for temporary workers and the MG42 on the Zeppelin explains how H&H's ‘chicken' tastes of fish..
I found this tram in my photo album but no notes on it I'm afraid. The Location looks very much like the Tramway Museum at Crich Derbyshire, but I could be wrong
ALLAN Glad you enjoyed the Irish photos I will try and sort out some of their steam locomotives for St Patrick's Day.
A local Working Man's Club served Federation Ale, I don't know if it was the same beer as from the Newcastle area, a faint memory is that it was keg and on the label it said ‘Ace of Clubs'. I know some who liked it but I remember it gave me a terrible headache the next morning.
A lot of folks here think my accent is Australian.
I found these photos of a Deltic Passing through Rugby on specials in preservation days. As far as I can tell there was never a production Deltic through Rugby in their BR service.
Heading north in Rugby station.
On the Coventry line just north of the junction with the Trent Valley Line, the flyover is visable on the left. The footpath was level with the line and was a good place to take a photo. I recall the Deltic was making a great sound as she accelerated after the speed restriction at Rugby..
MIKE Thanks for the info on the NYC locomotive in your earlier links, I think it must have been one of the first triple powered locomotives to be able to run on diesel or electric power.
Many thanks for those great old maps. I see the British one was from 1837 when some of the lines were new or not even opened yet, as the London & Birmingham opened in 1838, after problems with Kilsby Tunnel south of Rugby. I notice the Oxford Canal in the area had not been modified and followed a very meandering course still, it is said that a local church could be heard chiming 12 hours while the narrow boats worked through the winding section.
ERIC You have thunderstorms and we have icy sleet falling here in Mid-Mo BRRRR.
There is another station at Hendon, this is on the ex Midland line from St Pancras now served by Thameslink Trains.
Glad you liked the photo of the DART EMU.
That is a good-looking Los Angeles Railway car #665, thanks for sharing.
DL Very good comments on the DMUs.
Yes the run down of the railway works in the 1960s and 70s must have been devastating to the towns that had little engineering nearby, it would be interesting to know where the workers from the railway works found employment. I dare say a lot of them went into the motorcar factories, as I believe they were expanding at
Alright LEON a quick pint then.
RON Just caught your post.
Glad, depite your computer problems, you were able to join us at the bar Very much enjoyed reading the Railway Events of 1938. 60 years since Mallard set the record and interesting details of her.
Unfortunatly I did not get to travel behind her in the short time she returned to the main line in the 1980s, the trips sold out very quickly and some were mid-week, but a friend and I went to Doncaster to see her on her first trip back.I will look through the photo albums and try to find a photo or two.. Thanks for sharing
Pete.
Good evening my dears--Anyone got the munchies ?-Thought it might be fun to cook tonight-Boris & Copperkettle both vanished as soon as I suggested it-which I will assume is a vote in favour,and H&H have gone upstairs to change into their Oktoberfest Biergarten serving outfits-which I will also take as a vote in favour.........
So then...-lets roll up the sleeves and see whats here................................
.......HMMMMMMMMM-lucky I called into Mentor City fish market on the way here.......
O.K:- Tonight we have (drumroll......)
Starters-
baby peppers stuffed with crab meat ,roasted and served au gratin
chicken won-ton soup
smoked mackerel fillets with gooseberry sauce
Mains-
Darne of Cleddau Bass poached in rum,lime & ginger on a bed of pommes paille..
Jack Sound Lobster (trust me on this )-any way you want it.......
5 bean tortilla (v.spicy)with salad platter
Welsh black steak cuts :-12oz Sirloin,cooked to order,-served with double fried egg,onion rings,pork sausage,fried mushrooms,grilled tomatoes and home fries
or 4oz slices of fillet steak pan fried with button onions & mushrooms,cream and brandy & served on a bed of steamed green vegetables
"Pint of prawns"--A tankard of Dublin bay langoustine served with fresh baked rolls,new butter,lemon wedges,black pepper and worcester sauce
as to the dessert trolley H&H seem to have that under control--splendid-I can retire and cook-see you all soon.....
Good evening Leon,the house is packed and H&H are waiting tables ,wow and what wonderfull smells are emminating from the kitchen as well,that or Boris finally put clean socks on.I'll need to sample the fare and have a couple rounds of Guiness I think
Nick-Good to see an actual menu,not a moment to soon as well H&H have been getting quite lax with the mushy peas lately,no Boris it's not supposed to be chocolate flavoured that's exlax<sheesh> back to your shed take the critters with you as well,all but spike as he and your infaltables don't get on to well together besides all the track gangs have muddy boots and could use a good scrapping.Yes you can give him some extra pine chips.
Ron-Aren't computers just grand Still good read the rail events of 1938 were,thanks for the time put in producing that.
Pete-Excellant we have the bag on side now the preproduction can begin. there was talk about bringing in a Gucci handbag if it haddn't come onside.Couple grand photo's sir looks like that old Deltic was putting on quite a show.Does look like a shot from Critch as well, what a set up they have to be sure That tram looks to be German perhaps,I know Helga was looking longingly at it.
The sequin factory is just not the same , hey at least they were able to hire thier extra staff from those that were separated from their jobs after the Great Valentines night dust up over at the Second class.
You are right what a shame so many fine steamers scrapped out before their times guess I'll join you for a round of Darts in teh Patoot room,after steak lobster and guiness of coarse. Bring it on Helga medium with extra mushrooms and a nice lobster tail as well, no not your tail What will Nick think.
Good morning Captain Tom and all present!!
Leon, tonight I would like to try one of Nick's specials, Welsh black steak cuts, please! A cold Tui will be fine.
A number of interesting visits here today! Let's see.
DL – Congratulations to the 3700th post!!!Interesting pictures of the Grand Central trains! I noticed that all tables are ready for the passengers to play chess or Monopoly! Never seen that in a train before.Tom – It would be very hard for me to get enough time for a visit to the bar in the AM hours as it is now. If I get a chance I will stop by. I am looking forward to the next S-gauge layout installment! Our dog, Taylor, and the cats get along very well. We didn’t have to learn them how to get along, they just did it from the beginning. Sometimes animals are smarter than people. Taylor lives in her own little heated and air conditioned house on the porch and is a very good watchdog. Except when there is a thunderstorm going on. Thanks for the link to the music video! A lot of interesting old photos!CM3 – You are right about trouble starting a train in the fall when the rails are slippery. I remember the very first day I worked as an engineer after finishing my training. It was in mid October and I had stopped at a station with a passenger train. I had one electric Class Rc4 (basically the same as AEM-7) hauling 8 passengers cars, so it was a fairly light train. From the station the line was slightly uphill for about two miles. When I finally made it to the top the speed of the train was about 15 mph and I had used almost all the sand to keep it going. High Green and the Barkpeelers was a strange title for a railroad book. The links did not work for me. The first one could not be found and the second one showed up as a plain blue page with some decorations on the left side. Rob – The photo of the old streetcar was taken at Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris, CA, south east of Los Angeles. See link.http://www.oerm.org/Thanks for the clarification why Stratford shops were closed so early. Also thanks for the photos of those two good looking locomotives! The top one looks a little bit more modern in my eyes!Ron – Sorry to hear about your computer troubles.A number of interesting things took place 1938! Pike’s Peak Cog Railway and the first rack railcar for instance. And the steam speed record was set that year when the Mallard locomotive reached 126 mph. Pike’s Peak Cog Railway at the top of Pike’s Peak.Pete – You better stay inside considering what kind of weather you have. I prefer thunderstorms. We had a lot of lightning last night. Two storms after each other. But no ice!!!Nice photos! Are the Deltics still in service or is there just a preserved one left?Nick – Glad you didn’t have only fish on the menu tonight! Welsh black steak cuts sounds good! Eric
I see Nick laid on a splendid spread last night.
I think I'm too early for the pastries, I'll just wait till they are ready, then I'll have a selection please.
Tom - I quite agree with your comments on the acceptable distance available for travel in DMU type vehicles - unfortunately they have got more and more popular here for longer and longer trips. Their lighter weight makes less track wear and as rail freight is (in the great scheme of things) very small in the UK the ability to cut wear is attractive to the track owners. Of course this is at the expense of passenger comfort - but hey - who cares about that!
I really would like to sample Budd RDC travel!
CM3 - hope the Icestorm didn't cause too much disruption!
Rob - interesting additional comments in relation to end of Canadian Steam - good to read, also observations on under floor diesel units I would entirely agree with. Thanks for posting the North Bay steam loco picture, it is of course the loco I saw on my ONR trip last year. The consolidation No 103 looks in very good external condition
ERIC - yes - the chess and monopoly boards on the GC trains are a novel feature. They have spent a lot fixing them up but they say they are going to order new trains built in China to start running in 2011 - I'll believe it when I see it but I don't know why they will bother to do that. They only run a few services a day. I ought to sample them but it will require a special journey as they do not stop there service near where I live.
"Sometimes animals are smarter than people" - well, some animals are smarter than some people all the time!
Pete - that is Crich all right - no doubt about it.
Could it be Blackpool Corp Transport No 167 tram:
http://www.tramway.co.uk/smx/cms/tramfleet/
I agree about people in North America thinking we are Aussies. Happens to me too - I think it is probably because chaps like you and me don't sound like the Royal Family - which might be the popular idea of an English Accent.
I certainly agree with your Harwich route - strange thing is I have no recollection of travllign that way, and on my rail map of the UK - where I highlight routes I've travelled over (in daylight hours) I've never recorded that route. Maybe I juts forgot about it!
Finally - I think we can surmise that following recent discussion of Fidel Castro's US train travel (prompted by Mike's Vintage pics) - Castro himself must have been calling in to Our Place and decided it was time to retire, throw in the towel and ride the rails (if not Amtrak, possibly VIA?).
Meanwhile I thought regulars would also really enjoy this article I saw today - Cuban EMU units - I never knew about that!:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2008/feb/21/cuba.railtravel?page=all
"The train is electric, a marvel of its time and the only one of its type in Cuba. It is made up of three dusty green carriages, built in Spain in 1945, with a driver´s cabin at each end, and is more like an old city tram than a train"
Cheerio
DL
Friday's Grin
Reason "things" happen!
Law of Logical Argument: Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
And it's here - Friday - the end of this 4-day work week <for many>! Anyway, things ‘round here have been a bit on the strange side - so I'm pleased to see another week pass along . . .
Second day of complete icing . . . bride's been "off" for two days, which is GREAT! About 2 inches of it - sleeting, snowing, 'n icing right now . . . (Fri - 8:30 AM)
Coffee ‘n pastries are ready as are the breakfasts. So
Thursday - Feb 21st: <all times Central standard>
Page 187 - CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 10:03 AM: Last we saw you was on Friday of last week - so for us, that's a loooooooong absence. But your Email "note" was accepted ‘n you reamin in good graces. <back off Boris, he's still one of us!>
When you're here in May - be sure to take a look at our modest CD collection of music from the Maritimes . . . all good stuff, fer sure, fer sure!
Links to peruse with reference to your "quiz" . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Corby
http://www.nd.edu/~observer/09272001/News/5.html
Had some difficulty loading those links . . . will try later. <groan>
THANX for noticing the GG1 . . .
Many thanx for that fine < I3 > Post, quarters ‘n ROUND!
Page 187 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 1:48 ‘n 1:57 PM: Taking the last - first: an interesting threesome of fotos . . . The more I see those steamers, the more I like ‘em . . . <grin> Awesome beasts they were.
That wide-page-phenom "thing" seems to be more ‘puter related than site. For example, I can get the problem on one ‘puter, but not on the other here at home. Probably has something to do with the settings - but I'll be if I know which one(s) to fool with. So, I'm not messing with things that are working fine right now . . . <uh oh>
Two days in a row where you've NOT USED THE REFRESH feature! You're really flirting with the <tweeter> . . . No mercy next time.
Appears as if you've mustered up the crew ‘n then some for that "production" of the "Black Bag." Should pack the Emporium - if not for the laffs alone! <grin> Perhaps you should have the film makers consider using Wolfman for the narration - after all, it is HIS story . . .
Did you see the FlexLiner back in 1997 when it was up your way The trainset we had here in Missouri still had the outline of the "VIA" markings . . . As I mentioned in a previous Post, it wasn't a bad ride - just not for long distances. I believe VIA used it in the Corridor . . . that would be a bit too long if one were to stay aboard from Toronto to Montréal for example; and totally out of the question if from Windsor to Québec City <yikes>. . .
Edmond Fitzgerald is Gordon's ‘standard' . . . he's got so many, many fine tunes, but that one surely put him "international."
Thanx for the visits ‘n pint!
Page 187 - Ron (DD1) at 4:55 PM: And the ‘puter virus-stricken Southern Gentleman down in Mississippi returned to the bar!
Looks like a potpourri of events for "my year" - 1938. Nice effort . . .
Visit ‘n ROUND appreciated!
Good Morning Barkeep and all present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. After all the weather service's predictions of the "end of civilization as we know it," you guessed it! Nothing happened. A wedge of dry air between here and roughly Charlotte, NC, appeared, pushed all the bad stuff north and there it sits - the rest of WV is getting pounded as is PA and further north and its just cloudy and well above freezing here. We also had a change of plans (boss is on the DL, so here we are.
Thought for the day; "Beauty is in the Eye of the Beerholder."
Some of you remember back in the day when the jukebox was stocked with some fine pieces of country music - well, Boris tells me that there is a new set of songs loaded up (in more ways than one), so here are a few to get us going this morning.
Let's see, we'll begin with a real tear-jerker, "All The Guys That Turn Me On Turn Me Down," followed by "Hog Sloppin' Time in the Holler," then we'll play "I Bought the Shoes That Walked Out on Me," after that how about one of the track gang's most requested tunes, "Hand Me the Pool Cue and Call Yourself an Ambulance," and one of Boris's all-time cloggin' favorites, "Get Off the Stove Grandma, You're too Old to Ride the Range."
Let's see what else is happening today.
Rob - Thanks for the comments and the T&NO and TH&B pictures.
DD1 was in with general comments and data - good to hear from you.
Pete was here with comments and info.
Nick - Excellent menu, sir!
Eric - High Green and the Barkpeelers is about the B&M as I mentioned. The author combined B&M terms. The first one relates to signals. Many of their signals were (are) three light searchlight signals which display different color combinations. Green on top with reds underneath means clear, thus the tern "high green." You still hear this.
One of my favorites was yellow-green-red which was known as "pickle in the middle with the mustard on top." Lot's of other similar phrases were used as mnemonics for rule book exams. I know, Boris, the C&O signals are different.
"Barkpeelers" refers to the folks who ran up in New Hampshire and point north - there was (and still is) a lot of logging and timbering, thus the term "barkpeelers." For those interested, see if you can find a copy of a book titled Tall Tees and Tough Men. Fascinating stuff about logging in the north country. Bar towel, please - I'm getting all homesick.
OSP - Gordon Lightfoot - I dug out my CD as I had not listened to any of his material in a long time - one of my favorites, sir. Good work on Father Corby - interesting character - look for him (very briefly) in Gettysburg. You obvioulsly have electric which is good.
For all - As for the links - they were working yesterday when I posted them - I get the same messages this a.m. when I checked them after seeing that you could not find them.
However, when I did a Dogpile search under Pennsylvania Railroad Altoona shops, I found them and they worked - so I suggest you try that avenue - I don't post stuff w/o checking it - so I have no idea what the !@#$ is happening. This stuff is great when it runs.
Morning Ruth, well I know Boris it's not morning where I am but it still is here for another couple of minutes anyway <sheesh>I think a nice large thermos of teh BK high octane #1 and a number three will do well. Lasts nights food from the galley filled up teh extra bathtub so we now can order more of that long distance imported beers.Copperkettle to the Zepplin shed's
Eric-Another late night snack not good for your recently repaired digestive system sir,we wouldn't have need some high colonic care from H&H As the old saying goes they will get you in the end !
Dan-Some interesting thoughts , espeacially about those EMU's in Cuba.Never saw them when I was there but we never left the resort except to return to Toronto. That would indeed have been the Concollidation that you would have seen last year.Were the beaten up Tee cars still with it when you were there
I don't know most American's can't place my accent either,slightly different depending on which part of Canada you're in. Same goes for the states,though most of them swear that they don't pocess one ( till you play them a tape recording )
Tom-Smothered in Ice again well at least Juneau is happy , I assume he's see's white and feels cold and he's right at home.At least you've had some quality time with your bride I aggree the "Ed Fitz" is his defacto standard always a fav no matter where you hear it.
I had though of using Pete for a narrator,but then who transaltes for him You see my problem it would be a third paid actor and would cut into our profits.Vito does not like thatWe could just hire Rowan Atkinson though to play Pete Mr Bean with the Black Bag Hmmmm a possible sequal at any rate.
I never rode or saw that set,I heard of the test between Niagara Falls and Toronto,you're right though I can't imagine their usufullness on the Corridor. The original though on them as I understood it was as captive use Montreal to Ottawa and Toronto to Ottawa,but they apparently didn't track well enough so they decided against the purchase or lease of them.
CM3-So missed the ice and slop , never a bad thing.I must protest at playing Boris's favourite clogging song though,think of the damage you doing to the hardwood floors.
Not burnin' up the right-of-way, but still chuggin' along as we've had visits from CM3 Shane 'n Rob this day . . .
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #68
<A form of this was initially Posted on Page 249, Feb 17th, 2006 on the Original Thread>
New York Central's Water Level Route
Some drumheads of the NYC:
Enjoy! Tom
The Peter Witt Story Classic Juice number 7 originally from page 148 of the original threadAs previously disscussed . Mr Mitten's nearside car improved the continents ( NA) street railway system,by instituting the PAYE or pay enter way of collecting fares. This improved rider safety by where the cars would stop and improved the street railways bottom lines by #1 getting fares ( in the daysof the conductor walking up an down the side running boards with the "coffee can" fare box was not only inefficient but many a rider could and would jump on or off woth out paying. And #2 by having a fixed farebox the conductor could conduct there by giving better service to the riders, transfers stop information etc ,etc. In 1912 a young man by the name of Peter Witt was elected to the possition of Traction Commissioner for the Cleveland Railways. He was always seeking ways to improve ridership and rider satisfaction. The one major drawback of the PAYE cars was that they tended to have very long dwell times at stops. With passengers entering amd exiting the cars via the same doors paying the conductor etc. Some people were still managing to not pay and the exsessive wait times slowed down the flow of traffic and the shcedules of the transit system. So he devised a car design which modifed the cars in that the rear doors were moved to the center of the car. Passengers would enter the front move back to the conductors position just in front of the centre doors where he collected the fares. The conductor controlled the center doors which were the exit. Thus pay as you pass came to be. It sped up the dwell times, and ensured that all fares were collected and transfers handed out. Peter Witt supervised the first cars construction at the Cleveland railways Lakeview shops in 1914. The first of these new cars came into service on Dec 1 1914. As built they had longitudinal seats in the front section , followed by cross seats in the rear. Thes cars were also built as single ended controls with two man crew operator and conductor. As more and more of these cars enterd service officials from the other street railway systems came to look at them and quickly began producing similar cars for their own systems. These cars came to be known as "Witt" cars on the major systems of North America. In Cleveland they were known simply as the "Car Riders Car " Many street railways built there own cars to this design and Brill , Can Car Ottawa car Company , Preston Car and Coach, Kuhlman and others began producing this type of car under license. Peter Witt recieved a royalty of $10 per car built outside of the Cleveland shops. Thes cars served all the Major and some of the minor systems. Including Detroit ,Chicago,Kansas City,Providense, Toronto ( 375 cars 75 trailers ),Baltimore,Cleveland, Buffalo , Rochester NY ,Toledo,Birmingham,Kitchener Waterloo (ex Cleveland Cars) Regina ( EX KW cars ! ),and likley several others. Witts came in two sizes. The Large or standard Witt were 53'0" long 8'5" wide and 12' tall ( rail to trolleyboards ) these cars were lower geared and had straight pipping for trailer hauling. They could and did run solo as well. Few street railways used the trailer cars. The small Witt was 47'0" same height and width but were geared for higher speeds. Single service cars( hauled no trailers) used for rush hour and lighter use lines. From what I can gather Toronto was the only company to have the two types of Witts ( as an aside our museum has 4 Toronto Witt's two large and two small ) The Witt cars ran for years in Cleveland from 1914 to the early 50's in Toronto from 1921 to 1966. Similar life spans were enjoyed else where. Not untill the PCC car came about in 1936 was there such a universal streetcar design. The PCC continued the Pay as you pass method of fair collecting which is still in use today. Most Witts were converted to single man operations in the 30's and 40's with the farebox moubted bus style beside the operator. Rear tredle doors were installed as well as operator control of the rear doors once they were converted to single crew. As with Birney safety cars the treadles or operator center or front door controls could not be operated while the car was moving. Deadman switch controllers were also part of the safety package as well. So there you have it the Peter Witt, the car and the man. If you got to my railimages account you can see several pictures of our museums Peter witt's. Large witt 2424 ( lovingly refered to as Bertha or the beer car ) and small Witt's 2786 and 2894.
Tom-Yes chugging along indeed,still some good quality stuff floating out and about ( oot and aboot )Loved the NYC stuff you know that I have a bit of a soft spot for it,but who couldn't eh
A pint of Bathams please RUTH
NICK Real great selection from our. I will have the Welsh black stake cuts, medium well please.
ROB Yes I am despairing of finding the mushy peas I was used to in England H&H try but.......
Glad you enjoyed the tram photo. I though I had some more photos from my visits to Crich but that one is the only one I can find at the moment. Yes the Deltics were quite unmistakable in the way they sounded with their two English Electric Napier diesels.
I hope the displaced workers at the sequin factory don't realize that they are for H or H or we may get exploding sequins.
I think you have upset the bag, saying it was going to be replaced with a Gucci, it said 'lets see how the Gucci deals with a full bottle of spilt soda', also it says no way is it appearing with Rowan Atkinson.
Many thanks for the Peter Witt Classic Juice Encore. The center door made sense with the fare collecting. It is good that, as Toronto was the only company to have both types of Witt Cars, there are both examples in your museum.
I like the sound of Bertha the beer car.
ERIC In your reply to DL I noticed you mention about the games on the tables of the Grand Central HST. There was a set of MK1 coaches that had chess squares and some other games on some of the tables. I think the fairly long set was used for the Northampton to London Euston and return commuter train Monday to Friday and we often had the cars on a special at the weekend. The Northampton commuter train got the nickname of the ‘Flying Cobbler' as Northampton was famous for making shoes.
Thanks for the Pike's Peak photo and that is a very good web site the Orange Empire Railway Museum.
The production Deltics were a class of 22 locomotives introduced in 1961 and 6 of them are preserved (plus the original prototype), none are owned by BR. I am not too sure how many are in working order at the moment perhaps, DL might know, I think one is working on the main line on specials today.
DL Many thanks for confirming for me that is was Crich where I took the photo of 167, it certainly looks like the Blackpool Tram in the link, I wonder if No 167 worked any where else besides Blackpool.
Do you use the ‘Baker's Bible' railway atlas to mark the routes off. I have the 1984 edition with my lines marked.
That is a very good link to the Cuban Units, I too had never heard of them before. I know a few years back Cuba was very popular with British rail enthusiasts as the Sugar harvest there, used to produce some really old steam locomotives taking the cane to the sugar mills. I cannot recall reading anything about it recently so I am not sure if the steam locomotives are still working.
CM3 Great to see the new songs that have been loaded on the Wurlitzer
Enjoyed reading about the origin of the High Green and Barkpeelers names.
I will try those links again.
TOM It seems as though you have had about the same amount of the frozen stuff as we had.
Thanks for the links to the Rev. William Corby. I see in the newspaper the Guinness have placed an advert in USA Today, calling on Congress to make St. Patrick's Day a public holiday.
It is indeed a great railway tune by Gordon Lightfoot. I have just had a thought, considering a lot of the early railway navies were Irish there does not seem to that many songs about the building of the railways played by Irish Folk Bands
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Friday evening! Leon, it's time for my Rumpsteak Café de Paris! Medium. Cold Keith's, please!
This day went by very fast. Raining at least half the day. We need it.
DL – Fascinating story about the only electric train in Cuba! Thanks for the link! You are correct, some animals are smarter than some people all the time! Kind of nice to be able to play chess on the train! Tom – Your kind of winter with snow and ice! I am certainly happy we didn’t get any snow today, just rain. Taylor is a very dependable thunderstorm indicator. She knows ahead of time when the storms are coming. The Water Level Route! The ad makes it sound like a nice way to go to Chicago1 At least I can say I have trveled a part of it, New York to Syracuse. But we did not have any Pullman. Nice drumheads, but I still like the round ones better! Mail received. Thank you! Makes my planning easier. CM3 – When I am done with this I’ll sit down, feed the Wurlitzer with quarters and listen to all those new country songs! Thanks for explaining the title of that book! I thought barkpeelers had to do with logging. Rob – No, they will not get me until it is too late! My digestive system was made for late nights! So you can tell H&H not to worry. Thanks for the story on the Witt cars! Most interesting to read why certain things were designed the way they are! Older narrow gauge streetcar, Trondheim, Norway. Pete – Thanks for the info on the Deltics! Six still around! Did people have to bring their own games in order to play during the train ride? Personally I prefer to look out through the window when I am traveling. If it is by train, car, bus or airplane doesn’t matter, I am keeping an eye on the outside.Nice photos of class 56 and class 73! I like the idea to paint the locomotive the same way as the cars. I can see they even added the name Pullman on the sides of the locomotive! Some smaller steam locomotives waiting for the bitter end. Östersund, Sweden. 1968.Eric
Good evening Leon, ah I see that you saved me some steak good man , as always medium with all the fixin's extra mushrooms though please, and I think a Keith's to top her all off thank-you.
Pete-Tell the bag not to get all unstitched ,Rowan and the Gucci can star in the sequal, the bag is locked in for the first movie for sure.Let the bag know that if it gets too lippy,Vito has a stitch remover and knows how to use it. <uh oh >
Nice picture of the trains in the snow,nice to see that they still get some over home Interesting colour scheme on the Pullmans, they would have looked wonderfull in a whole train together. Much nicer paint job than the boring Pullman green from over here.
I looked at the Crich sight and yes, that does look like the Blackpool tram.Very similar to some of the cars I've seen pictures of from Hamburg,likely a similar design.
Exploding buttons <oh no > mind you H&H would likely survive some how you know how tough they are,they might even like itSomething about mushy peas that were mushed by body parts insted of a fork is just a tad unsettling but what can you do,H&H are very hands on.
Eric-Okay your off H&H's immediate "care" list. Hilda say's she's keeping an eye on you though.<uh oh> Nice trolley shot,and an all to familiar shot of steam awaitng scrapping an all to familiar and sad shot no matter what part of the world it is from.
Classic Juice #10 The changes in car design and crewing and the comming of the safety car' A lot of you will remember the Saftey car or the Birney from your own cities systems. Next to the Witt Birney's were likely the most common streetcar type out there, with most major and alot of the minor systems operating them,they came in two main forms the single or double truck models. They were designed for singleman operation as well, hence the safety car moniker. First a bit of run up back history to the advent of the one man car. To the uninitiated,the general appearance of trolley's appearance to have changed little before the 1930's. One however can find many subtle changes beginning in the 20's. Monitor roofs , with their small openable clerestry windows, gave way to the arched roof with ventilators around 1910. Rear plateforms were enlarged for the new Pay as you enter PAYE fare system , and doors started to appear more commonly in the centre when Paye as you pass started with the Witt cars. More common use of bright colours, and the abandonment of fancy lettering and striping in the 20's also occured. Likley the biggest change was construction methods, in the 20's steel replaced wood as the construction medium. At the turn of the century (approx 1906 ) steel was used as an underframe, with a wood body previous to that cars were generally all wood. The first NA manufacturer tp do steel bodies was the pressed steel company of Pittsburgh which delivered it's first all steel cars to Montreal in 1907. Most companies however beleaved that heavier wood bodied cars ( steel underframe ) gave a smoother ride,some going even as far as to insist on concrete floors for extra added stability ! Nevertheless steel offered more strength ,was less fragile for external panel use, and could be more easily repaired with rivetting or welding. It was also more fireproof and held together better under vibration. As steel's advantages became better known and hardwoods became more scarce,the tide of opinion changed and by 1912 the star of the changeover took place. Wood interiors and wood framed canvas covered roofs remained in vogue for many years yet but after 1917 the all wood car was obsolete. While double truck cars became increasingly more popular after the turn of the century ,single truck trams continued to be built to the 1930's. Because they were shorter and lighter, and took up less street space,required less maintenance and consumed less energy.They were better suited to single man pay as you pass operations as well for smaller cities and less travelled routes. Money savings were the prime motivation in the 30's to single man cars as well. The unions of coarse were not happy with the loss off two man crewing. The main crux was what if the motorman passes out or dies with no conductor who would save the passengers, this is a death trap etc etc. Enter the safety car ( and better motorman wages/ sorry conductors the union got less jobs but, more money for the remaining members ) Significant technical improvements / advances happen just prior to WW1 making 1 man operation safe and practical. With the "safety cars " the first was built by St louis car in 1913 for the Illinois traction ( later terminal , thought you would like that Tom ). It featured a combination brake,sand and door mechanism plus a deadmans handle. The latter became the main feature to overcome the objections to one man operation should the operator become unconscious or dead.The handle has to remain depressed,otherwise the brakes and would automatically apply and the doors would be made openable only by hand. Doors could not be openned while the car was moving nor could the car move if the doors were open. Hence the "safety car" name. This system was designed by J.M. Boisenbury ( Illinois Traction's superintendant of motive power ) he worked in conjunction with Westinghouse. A foot positioned deadman's button which had to be stood on at all times was also developed at this time.( PCC's use these ) Safety cars of all shapes and sizes were built to double and single truck models.The most popular was the Birney designed by Charles O. Birney of Stone & Webster. his car standarized on a 28 foot 16,000 pound car first produced by Brill in 1916 .This was a rough riding but cheap to produce car essentilally , the model T of the transportion systems.There were no frills minimal heating with rataan seats. The later double truck models rode better but were still rough 47 feet long 40,000 pounds. The later still Witt's and PCC's are also safety cars in that their safety appliances are the same ( deadman handle on the Witt , floor pedal on the PCC ) they were just more civilized to the ride characteristcs and of coarse they wer faster. Rob
Good evening again Leon another Keith's for the road,yes Boris call me the local cab and rickshaw company for a ride home.Here's another classic juice encore to start off encore Saturday. Some light morning reading. This first appeared on the old thread page #162
enjoy
This is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day!
Remember: "Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays.
Yeah, it's Saturday once more. So, kick back 'n enjoy a relaxing start to the weekend by drawing a mugga Joe, grab a few pastries 'n maybe even order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board!
This only ‘works' for those who READ these daily summaries:
Mention of a character who goes by the name of Copperkettle has appeared several times lately. So, here's a refresher regarding the origin of that addition to our Cast of Characters at "Our" Place:
Brief footnote-Copperkettle, the new kitchen assistant-have recently been reading a rather weighty historical novel (contradiction in terms) about the last days of the Aztecs at about the time of Cortez & Montezuma--since most of the characters names are both polysyllabic and unpronounceable the minds eye renders them into something slightly more manageable, thus Copaquetzal becomes Copperkettle and so on-as a copper kettle is a traditional part of a kitchen range he seemed a likely addition to the Addam`s family-like cast of characters hereabouts ....... gentlemen.I cast myself upon your mercy (possible train link - although tenuous-) Neil Young, the new(ish) part owner of Lionel wrote a marvelous song called "Cortez the Killer" which we use as a grand finale piece with one of my bands---well I did say it was tenuous................. <from: Nick (nickinwestwales) on 19 Sep 2006, Page 396 of the Original Thread>
Brief footnote-Copperkettle, the new kitchen assistant-have recently been reading a rather weighty historical novel (contradiction in terms) about the last days of the Aztecs at about the time of Cortez & Montezuma--since most of the characters names are both polysyllabic and unpronounceable the minds eye renders them into something slightly more manageable, thus Copaquetzal becomes Copperkettle and so on-as a copper kettle is a traditional part of a kitchen range he seemed a likely addition to the Addam`s family-like cast of characters hereabouts ....... gentlemen.I cast myself upon your mercy (possible train link - although tenuous-) Neil Young, the new(ish) part owner of Lionel wrote a marvelous song called "Cortez the Killer" which we use as a grand finale piece with one of my bands---well I did say it was tenuous.................
Friday - Feb 22nd: <all times Central standard>
Page 187 - CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:48 AM: Just like olde tymes . . . kicking off the AM with some pick-us-up humor ‘n fun facts ‘bout <what else> TRAINS of the Classic kind!
Lectric never went "out," as this event was simply a downpour of freezing rain ‘n sleet, no severe winds or definitive storm as we've had in the past. Fortunately, we're in an area where the service is beneath the ground, so when outages occur - and they do - it isn't because of downed wires.
Music, a good book ‘n a fine friend in a dog are all designed to put us at ease. Glad you enjoyed your revisiting Gordon's treasury!
Wouldn't it be a treat to have former Chief Chef Nick prepare those culinary treats for us at Rendezvous III Oh well . . . . you'll have to suffer along with some of MY innovations. <grin>
Luv those song titles, which of course brings to mind some that we've dropped on the guys many moons ago . . . here's a few for laffs:
She Got The Ring And I Got The Finger
If I Can't Be Number One In Your Life, Then Number Two On You
If I Had Shot You When I Wanted To, I'd Be Out By Now
You're the Reason Our Kids Are So Ugly
All My Exes Live in Texas
Many thanx for the visti, chat, quarters ‘n ROUND!
Page 187 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 11:40 AM: This was one weird ice storm - probably shouldn't refer to it in that way for the trees ‘n shrubs were spared the wrath of winter. Quite unlike some we've experienced . . . about 2 inches of solid - white - ice on the sidewalks ‘n driveways. Streets are relatively clear . . . . Juneau is delighted as am I, since winter is my most favorite of seasons.
Should reiterate that the FlexLiner wasn't a bad ride at all - but in my OH-PIN-YUN most appropriate for the short-haul. The idea of that equipment really has merit ‘n it's a shame that it hasn't caught on in those areas of close proximity between metro areas.
It's ENCORE! Saturday . . .
Railroad Stations - Terminals & Depots
Number Four
New York City's Pennsylvania Station
Penn Station's underground Long Island Rail Road concourse
Pennsylvania Station is one of New York City's main railway stations, sharing the Pennsylvania Station name with several stations in other cities. Commonly known as Penn Station, it is located in the underground levels of Pennsylvania Plaza, an urban complex located at 32nd Street between 7th and 8th Avenues in Manhattan. Madison Square Garden is located atop the station. The name comes from its original owner, the Pennsylvania Railroad.
Penn Station is located at the center of the Northeast Corridor, an electrified passenger railroad line extending from Washington, D.C. to Boston, Massachusetts. The station is served by a number of passenger rail services including Amtrak (the station's owner), Long Island Rail Road, New Jersey Transit and the New York City Subway, which does not actually share tracks into Penn Station, but has two stations at the eastern and western ends, with direct entrances in and out the concourse. PATH has a station at 33rd Street one block east on Sixth Avenue.
In 2004, Penn Station was the busiest Amtrak station in the United States by annual boardings with 4,367,553, more than double those of its nearest competitor, in Washington, D.C.[1].
The station is assigned the IATA airport code of ZYP. Its Amtrak station code is NYP.
History
Enabling
View from the northeast, circa 1911. The sheer size of the structure in comparison to the surrounding buildings is notable. Very little of this scene survives in modern Manhattan.
Penn Station is named for the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR), its builder and original tenant. There could have been no Penn Station in New York City until the Pennsylvania Railroad's rails reached Manhattan. The 19th century PRR terminated across the Hudson River at Jersey City's Exchange Place terminal in New Jersey, where passengers bound for Manhattan boarded ferries for the final stretch of their journey. The rival New York Central Railroad's rails ran down Manhattan from the north, ending in its Grand Central Terminal in the heart of Midtown Manhattan.
The Pennsylvania Railroad, unsatisfied with this state of affairs, considered bridging the Hudson River (too expensive) or tunneling under it (too long to work with steam locomotives and too difficult to ventilate). The development of the electric locomotive and electrified railroad systems by the early 20th century provided a practicable solution to the latter problem.
On December 12, 1901, PRR president Alexander Cassatt announced the railroad's plan to enter New York City, tunneling under the Hudson and building a grand station on the West Side of Manhattan, south of 34th Street. The PRR had been secretly buying up the necessary land in Manhattan and New Jersey for some time.
The main waiting room, circa 1911: the Roman model was the Baths of Caracalla
Pics of Long Island City back when
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Continuing on with what this Saturday is supposed to be about <aboot>- ENCORES! . . . here's a spread seen before . . .
Save the new material for Monday thru Friday - Regulars know that!
This from barndad Doug, a favorite UTB of ours - no one did it better! Seen on Page 220, 15 Jan 2006 on the Original Thread!
Union Pacific Railroad 900075 Builder: Lima Year Built: 1949 Length: 104ft 9in Width: 12ft 1in Height: 16ft 5in Weight: 303000 lbs Brakes: 6ET Trucks: General Steel Casting Description: Rotary Snow Plow & Tender Maryland MARC 91 Builder: Electro Motive Division GM Year Built: 1953 Model: E-9AM Horsepower: 2400 Length: 70ft 3in Width: 10ft 6in Height: 14ft Weight: 340000 lbs Brakes: PS-68 Engine: Two 12-645CE Motors: 4 EMD Trucks: EMD A1A Description: Diesel-Electric (MARC 91 / ex MARC 67 / ex BN 9907 / ex BN 9973 / nee CB&Q 9973) Chicago Tunnel Company 508 Builder: Baldwin / Westinghouse Year Built: 1908 Length: 10ft 11in Width: 3ft 7in Height: 5ft 2in Weight: 15000 lbs Brakes: Hand Motors: 2 WH 155 Control: WH K11 Trucks: Single Description: Single End / Single Truck / Tunnel Locomotive Chicago Burlington & Quincy 9911A Builder: Electro Motive Corporation Year Built: 1940 Model: E-5A Horsepower: 2000 Length: 80ft Width: 10ft 6in Height: 14ft Weight: 314800 lbs Brakes: HSC-D22ER Engine: Two 12-567A Motors: EMD D17 / 3 EMD D27 Trucks: EMD A1A Description: Diesel-Electric / Silver Pilot (Ex C&S 9952A) Green Bay & Western 2407 Builder: ALCO Year Built: 1959 Model: RSD-15 Horsepower: 2400 Length: 66ft 7in Width: 10ft 1in Height: 14ft 11in Weight: 382400 lbs Brakes: 26C Engine: 16-251B Motors: 6 GE 752 Trucks: Tri-Mount Description: Diesel-Electric / Ex Santa Fe 841 Association of American Railroads X201 Builder: Buda Year Built: 1936 Length: 22ft 4in Width: 9ft 10in Height: 10ft 4in Weight: 22000 lbs Brakes: Bendix Trucks: Buda Description: Rail Test Car Chicago North Shore & Milwaukee 160 Builder: J. G. Brill Company Year Built: 1915 Seats: 58 Length: 56ft 1in Width: 8ft 8in Height: 12ft 6in Weight: 90300 lbs Brakes: AMU Motors: 4 WH 557A5 Control: HLF-28A Compressor: CP-28 Trucks: Brill 27MCB3X Description: Double End / Double Truck / Arch Roof / Steel Coach
Enjoy! <again>
Tom
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