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[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #27

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

New York, New Haven & Hartford (NYNH&H) (NH)

Headquarters: New Haven, CT

Mileage in 1950: 1,800

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 381 – Electric: 22

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 6,925 – Passenger cars: 1,055 (including self-propelled)

Principal routes in 1950:

New York City (Grand Central)-New Haven-New London, CT-Providence, RI-Boston, MA
New York City (Pennsylvania Station)-New Rochelle, NY
New Haven-Hartford, CT-Springfield, MA
New Haven-Middletown-Putnam, CT-Boston (Readville)
New Haven-Northhampton & Holyoke, MA
Devon-Winsted, CT
Waterbury-Hartford-Plainfield, CT-Providence
Providence (Valley Falls)-Worcester, MA
Norwalk, CT-Pittsfield & Station Line, MA
Derby, CT-Campbell Hall & Beacon, NY
New London-Worcester
New Bedford & Fall River-Framingham-Lowell & Fitchburg, MA
Boston-Brocton-Provincetown & Hyannis & Woods Hole, MA
Attleboro-Taunton-Middleboro, MA
South Braintree-Plymouth, MA

Passenger trains of note:

NEW YORK-BOSTON
Bay State – Bostonian - Commander – Forty Second Street – Gilt Edge –
Hell Gate Express – Merchants Limited – Murray Hill – Narragansett –
New Yorker – Owl – Puritan – Roger Williams – Shoreliner – Yankee Clipper

BOSTON-PHILADELPHIA-WASHINGTON
(operated by PRR west of NYC (Penn Station)
Colonial – Federal – Patriot – Pilgrim – Quaker – Senator – William Penn

OTHER RUNS
Bankers (New York-Springfield)
Berkshires (New York-Pittsfield)
Connecticut Yankee (New York-Springfield)
Day Cape Codder (New York-Hyannis & Woods Hole
Day White Mountain (New York-Berlin, NH; operated by B&M north of Springfield)
Montrealer (New York-to-Montreal, operated by B&M, CV & CN north of Springfield)
Nathan Hale (New York-Springfield)
Naugatuck (New York-Winsted)
Night Cap (New York-Stamford, CT
State of Maine (New York-Portland, ME via Providence & Worcester; B&M beyond
Washingtonian (Montreal-to-Washington counterpart to Montrealer


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

Something different for Sunday - perhaps some pix to liven up this place!

From my VIA Rail library:

These pix are from a May 2005 rail trip in eastern Canada:

Evangeline Park car at Halifax, Nova Scotia


Chateau Brule sleeping car at Halifax, Nova Scotia


Westbound F40PH's at Moncton, New Brunswick


VIA Rail's "Ocean" Train #15 westbound at Moncton, New Brunswick


Nearing journey's end at Montreal's Central Station


"My LRC car" at Ottawa, Ontario


Train #33 at Ottawa, Ontario


VIA Rail Station, Ottawa, Ontario


VIA Rail Station, Bus platform, Ottawa, Ontario


War Museum complex, Ottawa, Ontario


Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

For: Uncle Don

When I was a kid, in the 1990's to present times, my love of trains was greatly enhanced through travel in VIA Rail's Budd stainless steel observation domes (Park cars). [swg]

In the 1940's it was riding in the heavyweights of the PRR, B&O and NYC. Then came the 50's and some "smoothsides" and staiinless steel beauties. A long, long hiatus from trains during a 32 year military career - then a return, of sorts over the recent decades.

So, when I pass on to the roundhouse in the great beyond, I want to go sitting in the Park car observation dome!

I can fully relate to what you've said and I appreciate your saying it! [tup][tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

In the fall each year when I was between 6 and 13, my father would take me for a ride from Chicago to New York, later Chicago to Washington, on the Capitol Limited. He worked for the B&O, and seemed to hate his job, but loved riding the train.
Talk about rockin' and rollin': he let me wander all over the train; the combined smells of cigars, air conditioning moisture, wool rugs, and about 20 others was magic. One of my favorite things was to stand in the vestibule, ( actually a double vestibule was best ), and just listen.... . At 79 miles per hour, there was a symphony of sound like no other.
Then, there was riding in the dome cars, ( the only dome sleepers on the Eastern roads ), so I could see the A-B-A E-8s lean into the "supers", ( the curves..), and hear those, (recently rediscovered on ww.dieselairhorns.com ), Leslie S5a horns make music! When I die, I climbing aboard the Capitol..........

[siberianmo]

G’day!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #38

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the New York Central (NYC) in a 1948 advertisement from my private collection:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . World Premiere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
the New 20th Century Limited

. . . . . . . . . . First of New York Central’s new Dreamliner Fleet . . . . . . . . . .

NEW Lookout Lounge – Modern setting for the club-like availability that’s long been a Century tradition.

New – from its streamlined Diesel to its raised “Lookout Lounge” . . .

New King-Size Diner – So spacious it needs a separate kitchen car! Smart designing gives each table privacy plus a perfect outlook. There’s a festive feel about the Century’s dinner lounge and a sense of being served with distinction.

New 1948 Century Rooms – Whether you travel in a roomette, a bedroom or with a party in a suite, you can work, or relax in air-conditioned privacy by day – then sleep the miles away by night on Central’s smooth Water Level Route.

. . . . . NEW NEW YORK CENTRAL . . . . .

. . . . . BETWEEN THE HEART OF CHICAGO AND THE HEART OF NEW YORK . . . . .
Vacation overnight aboard the new Century. Arrive refreshed – with no business time lost.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #26

Here’s another Passener RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Maine Central (MEC)

Headquarters: Portland, ME

Mileage 1950: 981

Locomotives in 1950:

Steam: 74 - Diesel: 57

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 4,593 – Passenger cars: 42

Principal routes in 1950 (all within Maine, other than noted):

South Portland-Bangor
Bangor-Vanceboro
Bangor-Bucksport
Bangor-Calais & Eastport
Brunswick-Rockland
Portland-St. Johnsbury, VT
Quebec Jct., NH-Beecher Falls, VT
Lees Jct.-Farmington & Rumford
Newport Jct.-Dover-Foxcroft

Passenger trains of note:

Bar Harbor Express (Washington, DC-Ellsworth, ME)
Down Easter (New York-Waterville & Rockland, ME)
Flying Yankee (Boston-Bangor)
Gull (Boston-Halifax, NS)
Katahdin (Boston-Bngor)
Kennnebec (Boston-Bangor
Mountaineer (Boston-Littleton, NH)
Penobscot (Boston-Bangor)
Pine Tree (Boston-Bangor)
Skipper (Boston-Bangor)

Note: B&M handled trains west of Portland to Boston. CN handled trains east of Calais, ME to Halifax,NS. The Mountaineer was a B&M train handled by MEC between Intervale & Whitefield, NH.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

For: BudKarr BK

Appreciate the contribution and support for this thread! [tup][tup]

I haven't forgotten your "sage words of advice," and most likely will pull the plug once my well runs dry. Not much interaction here ........

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Evening!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #37

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . surround them with scenery! . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . sell EAGLE Dome Coaches . . . . .

Your Travel Patrons will enjoy thrilling Dome Coaches on these great trains!

*The TEXAS EAGLES overnight between St. Louis, Memphis and the principal cities of Texas. Through sleeping cars between Chicago, New York, Washington and Texas. Planetarium-dome coaches between St. Louis and Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin and San Antonio. Direct connections at Laredo with new streamlined AZTEC EAGLE to Mexico City.

*The COLORADO EAGLE between St. Louis, Kansas City, Wichita and Colorado. Planetarium-dome coaches between St. Louis and Denver.

*The MISSOURI RIVER EAGLE between St. Louis and Kansas City, St. Joseph, Lincoln, Omaha. Planetarium-dome coaches between St. Louis and Omaha.

. . . . . . . . . . R. J. McDermott . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . General Passenger Traffic Mgr. . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . 1601 Missouri Pacific Bldg. . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . St. Louis 3, Mo. . . . . . . . . . .

MISSOURI PACIFIC LINES Route of the Eagles


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[BudKarr]

Good Afternoon Captain Tom,

Here's something that I provided at the bar several months back, but may have some relevance here. These European locomotives powered passenger trains as well as freights:

Some German locomotive data:

First – the Royal Bavarian State Railway (KBStB), 1908

Class S 3/6 4-6-2 (1923 series)

Axleload: 39,500lb (18t)

Cylinders, HP (2) 16.7 X 24.0in (425 X 610mm)

Driving wheels: 73.6in (1.870mm)

Heating surface: 2.125sq ft (197.4m2)

Superheater: 798sq ft (74.2m2)

Steam pressure: 228psi (16kg/cm2)

Grate area: 48.8sq ft (4.5m2)

Fuel: 18,800lb *8.5t)

Water: 6,030gal (7.240US)

Adhesive weight: 116,000lb (53t)

Total weight: 328,500lb (149t)

Length overall: 69ft 11in (21,317mm)


Second – Royal Prussian Union Railway (KPEV), 1922

Class P10 2-8-2

Tractive effort: 40,400lb (18,200kg)

Axle load: 43,00lb (19.5t)

Cylinders: (3) 20.5 x 26.0in (520 x 660mm)

Driving wheels: 68.9in (1,750mm)

Heating surface: 2.348sq ft (218.2m2)

Superheater; 883sq ft (82m2)

Steam pressure: 200psi (14kg/cm2)

Grate area: 43.8sq ft (4.07m2)

Fuel: 15,430lb (7.0t)

Water: 6,930gal (8,320 us) (31.5m3)

Adhesive weight: 167,000lb (77t)

Total weight: 243,500lb (110.5t)

Length overall: 75ft 5in (22,980mm)


Third – German Federal Railway (DB) 1953

Class 01.10 4-6-2

Tractive effort: 37,200lb (16,830kg)

Axle load: 44,500lb (20.2t)

Cylinders: (3) 19.7 x 26.0 in (500 x 600mm)

Driving wheels: 78x7in (2,000mm)

Heating surface: 2,223sq ft (206.5m2)

Superheater: 1,035sq ft (96.2m2)

Steam pressure: 227.6psi (16kg/cm2)

Grate area: 42.6sq ft (3.96m2)

Fuel: 22,000lb (10.0t)

Water: 8,400gal (10,000US)

Adhesive weight: 133,000lb (60.4t)

Total weight: 244,000lb (110.8t) (without tender)

Length overall: 79ft 2in (24,130mm)


I recognize much of this technical data may be meaningless to many – but perhaps others may find something of interest.

BK

[BudKarr]

Hello Captain Tom,

I see you are still at it on this thread! Also noticed a few contributions, one very substantive indeed.

As usual, "good stuff" and I'll try to provide you with something before departing for my next round of trips (explained a bit more at the bar).

Later!

BK in Alberta, Canada

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #25

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Great Northern(GN)

Headquarters: St. Paul, MN

Mileage:

1950: 8,220

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 642

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 39,055
Passenger cars: 579

Principal routes in 1950:

St. Paul, MN-Seattle, WA via Willmar, MN and New Rockford, ND
Minneapolis-Minot, ND via St. Cloud, MN, Fargo and Grand Forks, ND
Superior, WI & Duluth, MN-Grand Forks via Crookston, MN
Minneapolis & St. Paul-Duluth & Superior via Brook Park, MN
Barnesville, MN-Winnipeg, MB via Ada and Crookston, MN
Portland, OR-Vancouver, BC via Seattle, WA (trackage rights on NP Portland-Seattle)
Willmar-Sioux Falls, SD & Sioux City, IA
Havre-Great Falls-Helena-Butte, MT
Shelby-Great Falls-Billings, MT
Bend, OR-Bieber, CA via Klamath Falls, OR

Passenger trains of note:

Badger (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Superior-Duluth)
Cascadian (Seattle-Spokane, WA)
Dakotan (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Williston, ND)
Empire Builder (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S)
Gopher (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Superior-Duluth)
International (Seattle-Vancouver, BC)
Oriental Limited (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S)
Red River (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Grand Forks, ND)
Western Star (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S)
Winnipeg Limited (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Winnipeg


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #36

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE LAKER . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . CHICAGO – DULUTH – SUPERIOR . . . . .

. . . . . On the Following Fast and Convenient Schedule: . . . . .

NORTHBOUND . . . . . (Daily – Central Standard Time) . . . . . SOUTHBOUND

Lve. CHICAGO . . . . . . . . . . 6 30 PM . . . . . . . . . . Lve. DULUTH . . . . . . . 7 30 PM
Lve. WAUKESHA . . . . . . . . 9 20 PM . . . . . . . . . . Lve. SUPERIOR. . . . . . 8 00 PM
Arr. SUPERIOR . . . . . . . . . .7 48 AM . . . . . . . . . . Arr. WAUKESHA . . . . . 5 40 AM
Arr. DULUTH. . . . . . . . . . . . 8 15 AM . . . . . . . . . . Arr. CHICAGO. . . . . . . .8 15 AM

FEATURES – Pullman Sleepers offering a variety of private rooms (Bedrooms, Bedroom Suites and Roomettes) and open sections.

Dining – Club – Lounge – Complete Beverage Service and the Best Meals on Wheels.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #24

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Northern Pacific (NP)

Headquarters: St. Paul, MN

Mileage in 1950: 6,682

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesels: 662

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 34,200
Passenger cars: 359

Principal routes in 1950:

Minneapolis/St. Paul-Fargo, ND-Butte, MT-Tacoma, WA
Logan-Helena-Garrison, MT
Portland, OR-Sumas, WA
Minneapolis/St. Paul-Duluth, MN
Staples, MN-Ashland, WI
Little Falls-International Falls, MN
Manitoba Junction-Crookston, MN-Winnipeg, MB
Wadena, MN-Leeds, ND

Passenger trains of note:

Alaskan (Minneapolis/St. Paul-Portland via Helena)
Mainstreeter (Chicago-Helena-Seattle & Portland)
North Coast Limited (Chicago-Butte-Seattle & Portland)

Of note: CB&Q handled passenger trains between Chicago and St. Paul. SP&S handled trains between Pasco and Portland.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

For: rgroeling Chris

Enjoy! This thread is for anyone interested in enjoying and discussing Classic Passenger Trains! Feel free to contribute whenever you wish! [tup]
Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

Oh, why thank you!!! [:I] However, I will probably be doing more istening than anything, until I gain a strong enough knowledge of classic passenger trains where I can participate in the discussion...

Thanks [:)]

[siberianmo]

For: rgroeling Chris

Enjoy! This thread is for anyone interested in enjoying and discussing Classic Passenger Trains! Feel free to contribute whenever you wish! [tup]

For: cnw4001

Oh for a camera for opportunities missed! <frown> The Pennsy GG-1s, the NYC diesels wtih their "lightning bolt" livery, the New Haven in the red, black and white, etc., etc. Traveled aboard those trains, but never even thought to carrry a camera. Then again, the best "record" is that within my memory banks! I can still "see" them all! [yeah]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[cnw4001]

QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo
For: cnw4001

I cannot imagine seeing anything out of my back window as a kid to rival what you described. Great for the memory banks! [tup] Thanx for the response.

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

Just to clarify, I mentioned the N & W but I should say all seven railroad's passenger trains. C & O, B & O, NYC, L & N, PRR, N & W, Southern. Biggest regret is not taking many photos.

[Anonymous]

Another great thread siberianmo [:D][tup]

Very cool, I especially like the EmpireBuilder

QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #8

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this advertisement out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

Great Northern(GN)

Great Way To CALIFORNIA via the Pacific Northwest

Chicago-Minneapolis-St. Paul-Spokane-Seattle & Portland-San Francisco-Los Angeles

TOWERING PEAKS in Glacier National Park in the Montana Rockies.

LOFTY MT. RAINIER looks over Seattle and Tacoma.

GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE is only one of the fascinating sights awaiting travelers in San Francisco.

Rail Fare to San Francisco is no more on Great Northern’s incomparable Great Dome EMPIRE BUILDER

To delight travel-experienced patrons who are planning a fall trip to California, suggest that they route themselves via the Pacific Northwest.

Great Northern’s EMPIRE BUILDER, now with Great Domes for both coach and Pullman passengers, takes the northern route across the nation - - more than two thousand miles of truly superb scenery.

Your patrons will thank you for sending them on a route where they can see the Mississippi River Palisades, Glacier National Park, the Rocky Mountains of Montana and Idaho. the Cascades of Washington and Oregon.

Connections with fine trains to and from California in Seattle or Portland. Rail fare from Chicago to San Francisco is no more via Great Northern.

For information:
P. G. Holmes
Passenger Traffic Manager
Great Northern Railway
St. Paul 1, Minnesota


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

The Empire Builder is my favorite of all the Classic Passenger trains. I have been lucky enough to travel to Glacier National Park and even chase the modern Empire Builder. Awesome thread!! [:)]

And don't worry, I wont hang around I just wanted to acknoledge this awesome [tup] thread.

Keep up the good work, I am learning a lot! [8D]

[siberianmo]

Good Afternoon!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #35

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Mountaineer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Famous Train through the CANADIAN ROCKIES

THIS YEAR will operate Daily June 29 thru August 28 between

ST. PAUL – MINNEAPOLIS

. . . . . . . . . . AND THE . . . . . . . . . .

NORTH PACIFIC COAST

Via Soo Line St. Paul-Portal. . . . . . . . . . . Can. Pac. Ry. Portal-Vancouver.

Through Standard Sleeping Cars offering Drawing-room, Compartment, Bedrooms, Roomette and Open Section accommodations, also excellent Dining Car Service.

Note – The Mountaineer is Diesel Electric Powered between ST. PAUL, MINN., and Portal, N.D. and in the Mountains.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . From ST. PAUL June 29 thru Auust 28.
Exmpl . down . . . From VANCOUVER July 2 thru August 31 . . up . . . Exmpl

Sat . . . 9 40 PM .lv St. Paul (C.T.) . . . . . . (Soo Line) . . . . . . . .ar 7:15 AM Sat
“ . . . . 1025 PM lv Minneapolis . . . . . . . . . (Soo Line) . . . . . . . .ar 6 30 AM “
Mon . . 7 15 AM ar Calgary (M.T.) . . . . . . . (Can. Pac.). . . . . . . lv 7 20 PM Thu
“ . . . . 10 30 AM ar Banff . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Can. Pac.) . . . . . . . lv 4 35 PM “
“ . . . . 11 45 AM ar Lake Louise . . . . . . . . .(Can. Pac.) . . . . . . lv 2 40 PM “
“ . . . . 12 55 PM ar Field (M.T.) . . . . . . . . . (Can. Pac.) . . . . . . lv 1 30 PM “
Tue . . . 7 50 AM ar Vancouver (P.T.) . . . . . (Can. Pac.) . . . . . . lv 6 30 PM Wed
“ . . . . 10 00 AM lv Vancouver . . . . . . . . . . (C.P.S.S.) . . . . . . . ar 5 25 PM “
“ . . . . 2 15 PM ar Victoria . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C.P.S.S.) . . . . . . . lv 1 10 PM “
“ . . . . 9 00 PM ar Seattle (P.T.) . . . . . . . . .(C.P.S.S.) . . . . . . . lv 8 00 AM “

C.T. – Central time; M.T. – Mountain Time; P.T. – Pacific Time


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #23

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Spokane, Portland & Seattle (SP&S)

Headquarters: Portland, OR

Mileage in 1950: 968

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 93

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 3,547
Passenger cars: 48

Principal routes in 1950:

Portland-Spokane, WA
Portland-Seaside, WA
Portland-Eugene, OR (subsidiary Oregon Electric Railway)
Wishram, WA-Bend, OR subsidiary Oregon Trunk Railway)

Passenger trains of note:

Columbia River Express [Portland-Spokane)
Empire Builder (Portland-Chicago)
Oriental Limited (Portland-Chicago)
Western Star (Portland-Chicago)
North Coast Limited (Portland-Chicago)
Mainstreeter (Portland-Chicago)

Of note: SP&S handled GN’s Empire Builder, Oriental Limited and Western Star between Portland and Spokane; SP&S handled NP’s North Coast Limited and Mainstreeter between Portland and Pasco, WA


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

For: parsontrains

Appreciate your vivid recollections of classic passenger trains! The idea of this thread has always been to generate some dialogue and as you can observe, not much of that has taken place. Hopefully your Post will urge others to join in.

I particularly liked the way you have put together your recollections - makes it very "real" for the reader.

I too was a grade schooler in the 40s and while my experiences are dfifferent from yours, the remembrances of illuminated passenger cars, with "life" inside, still are etched in my mind's eye. Always wondering where are they going? And would I ever get the chance to travel like that?

You are welcome to visit "Our" Place which is on this Forum. There are several guys who discuss a wide range of classic train subjects which may be of interest to you.

Thanx again for your input! [tup]

For: cnw4001

I cannot imagine seeing anything out of my back window as a kid to rival what you described. Great for the memory banks! [tup] Thanx for the response.

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[cnw4001]

QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

Good Morning!

. . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #22 . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Norfolk & Western (N&W) ]



Principal routes in 1950:

Portsmouth-Cincinnati, OH

Passenger trains of note:

Pocahontas (Norfolk-Cincinnati & Columbus)
Cavalier (Norfolk-Cincinnati)
[ Powhatan Arrow (Norfolk-Cincinnati)

Had the good fortune to watch the above N & W arrive and depart Cincinnati any day I chose to look out the back window. Saw them from the era of streamlined J's through the geeps.

[Anonymous]

I have a number of recollections that I plan to post from time to time.

The first train I rode was the Soo Line's Winnipeger. The train ran from Winnipeg to Minneapolis and Saint Paul.

During WWII we lived in a home in Winger, MN that allowed me to see the train at the depot.

Although I was only a grade schooler at the time, I remember awaking more than once as the Winnipeger arrived at 3 am en route to Winnipeg. I remember the lights shining through the windows of the various cars, the whistle as the engine slowed for the depot and the road crossing immediately after the depot. Shortly before the train left the engine bell would ring, there would be two quick whistle blasts, and then the sharp exhaust as the engine rapidly accelerated on its way. Uusally the engine was a pacific.

In July 1945, as a birthday present my father took my brother and myself on the Winnipeger from Winger to Minneapolis.

I can still see in my mind's eye the depot interior and hear the mysterious clicking of the morse code. The depot walls held a fascinating rack of timetables of various railroads.

In those days the timetables indicated every station on the line, whether the train stopped there or not.

Finally the light of the oncoming engine was seen!

Then we boarded the coach. It was next to what I now know was a diner lounge, although we never left our car during the seven hour journey.

The seats of the coach did not recline, but the lights were left on all night. We sat close to the end nearest the diner-lounge. All during the night I watched as the cars writhed and bounced along track that needed much work to smooth it out.

The lights looked as if they had once been lit by oil, as perhaps they had been.

Before getting on my mother warned me about the dirt on the window sills, There was indeed a lot of it, coming from the coal-burning steam locomotive.

In the morning before arriving in Minneapolis we sped past a number of small towns, but the view was largely obscured by the low-lying smoke of the locomotive.

When we arrived in Minneapolis, we walked past a Milwaukee Hiawatha train. I still remember its beaver tail observation car.

[siberianmo]

Good Afternoon!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #34

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the BURLINGTON ROUTE in a 1949 advertisement from my private collection:

. . . . . VISIT Colorful Colorado! . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Land of a Million Thrills! . . . . . . . . . .

* No vacation empire in all the world offers you more variety – more sheer enjoyment! Mile-high Denver and its mountain parks . . . picturesque Colorado Springs and pikes Peak region . . . the grandeur of Rock Mountain National-Estes Park . . . the friendly Dude Ranches. Ride or hike! Fish or golf! Go sightseeing or just be lazy! Whatever you choose, Colorado gives you extra pleasure!

. . . . . For Speed, Comfort, Pleasure . . . Go Burlington! . . . . .

* Choose between two famous diesel-powered streamlined trains -0 the DENVER ZEPHYR, overnight every night from Chicago to Colorado . . . or the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR, with its entrancing Vista-Domes. Extra speed, extra luxury . . . but no extra fare!

BURLINGTON’S 100th ANNNIVERSARY * 1849-1949
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Way of the Zephyrs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . VISIT THE CHICAGO RAILROAD FAIR JUNE 25 – OCT 2 . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

. . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #22 . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Norfolk & Western (N&W) ]

Headquarters: Roanoke, VA

Mileage: 1950: 2,129

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 610

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 75,621
Passenger cars: 251

Principal routes in 1950:

Lambert’s Point (Norfolk), VA-Columbus, OH
Portsmouth-Cincinnati, OH
Lynchburg, VA-Durham, NC
Roanoke-Hagerstown, MD
Roanoke-Winston-Salem, NC
Walton-Bristol, VA
Bluefield, WV-Norton, VA

Passenger trains of note:

Pocahontas (Norfolk-Cincinnati & Columbus)
Birmingham Special (New York-Birmingham, AL; joint with PRR and SR; operated by N&W Lynchburg-Bristol)
Cavalier (Norfolk-Cincinnati)
Pelican (New York-New Orleans, LA; joint with PRR and SR; operated by N&W Lynchburg-Bristol)
Powhatan Arrow (Norfolk-Cincinnati)
Tennessean (New York-Memphis, TN; joint with PRR and SR; operated by N&W Lynchburg-Bristol)
Cannon Ball (Norfolk-New York; joint with ACL; RF&P; and PRR; operated by N&W Norfolk-Petersburg)

Of Note: In 1964, the N&W added the Wabash and Nickel Plate road to its system along with the Columbus-Sandusky line of the PRR, which the PRRR sold to the N&W. In 1981, the N&W added selected lines of the Illinois Terminal RR to its system. This Fallen Flag focuses on the pre-1964 N&W.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #33

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Roomettes Now Available On . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . The “WINNIPEGGER” . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BETWEEN . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

ST. PAUL – MINNEAPOLIS – and WINNIPEG

For the Best Meals on Wheels and Complete Beverage Service

. . . . . . . . . . In the Soo Line Dining-Club Lounge Car . . . . . . . . . .

Roomettes, Bedrooms, Bedroom Suites and Open Sections.

. . . . . . . . . . Clean Comfortable Coaches . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Restful Individual Reclining Seats . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . All Equipment Air-conditioned. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

NORTHBOUND. . . . .(Daily – Central Standard Time). . . . .SOUTHBOUND

Lve. ST. PAUL . . . . . . . . . . 7 45 PM . . . . . . . Lve. WINNIPEG . . . . . . . . . . 7 10 PM
Lve. MINNEAPOLIS . . . . . . 8 40 PM . . . . . . . Lve. THIEF RIVER FALLS . . 11 25 PM
Arr. THIEF RIVER FALLS . . 3 55 AM . . . . . . . Arr. MINNEAPOLIS . . . . . . . . 7 15 AM
Arr. WINNIPEG . . . . . . . . . . 8 15 AM . . . . . . . Arr. ST. PAUL . . . . . . . . . . . 8 00 AM

The Milwaukee Rd. Hiawatha leaving Chicago 100 p.m., arriving St. Paul 7 15 p.m, Minneapolis 7 45 p.m., and C.B.&Q. No. 25 leaving Chicago 11 30 a.m., arriving St. Paul 6 15 p.m., connect with the Soo Line Winnipeger for Winnipeg and Western Canada.

Southbound “Winnipeger” makes convenient connections with morning “Hiawatha” and “Zephyr” and other important early morning trains from St. Paul to points East and South.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

. . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #21 . . . . .

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Soo Line

Headquarters: Minneapolis, MN

Mileage:

1954: 3,159
1961 (before 1985 acquisition of Milwaukee Road): 4,719

Locomotives in 1954:

Steam: 47
Diesel: 76

Rolling stock in 1954:

Freight cars: 8,035
Passenger cars: 128

Principal routes (w/Wisconsin Central) in 1954:

Chicago-Minneapolis/St. Paul
Minneapolis-Portal, ND
Minneapolis-Sault Ste. Marie, MI
Dresser, WI-Duluth, MN
Owen, WI-Duluth, MN
Glenwood-Noyes, MN

Passenger trains of note:

Atlantic Limited (Minneapolis-Boston, with CP and B&M east of Sault Ste. Marie)
Copper Country Limited (Chicago-Calumet, MI with CMStP&P Chicago-Champion, MI, thence DSS&A/Soo to Calumet)
Duluth-Superior Limited (Minneapolis-Duluth)
Laker (Chicago-Duluth & Minneapolis &Ashland, WI; rerouted to Superior, WI from Duluth in 1961)
Mountaineer (St. Paul-Vancouver, BC, with CP from Portal to Vancouver)
Soo Dominion (St. Paul-Vancouver with CP from Portal to Vancouver)
Winnipeger (St. Paul-Winnipeg, MB, with CP from Noyes to Winnipeg)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Happy New Year! George

Appreciate your comments and making your FIRST Post on this thread. [tup]

Those "name trains" from yesteryear really do bring back some great memories and the Union Pacific had many, including:

Butte Special (Salt Lake City, UT-Butte, MT)
Challenger (Chicago-Los Angeles)
City of Las Vegas (Los Angeles-Las Vegas)
City of Denver (Chicago-Denver)
City of Los Angeles (Chicago-Los Angeles via Cheyenne, WY)
City of Portland (Chicago-Portland, OR via Cheyenne [via Denver 1959-68])
City of Salina (Kansas City-Topeka-Salina, KS)
City of St. Louis (St. Louis-Los Angeles & San Francisco & Portland via Kansas City & Denver)
City of San Francisco (Chicago-Oakville, CA via Cheyenne)
Columbine (Omaha-Denver)
Forty Niner (Chicago-Oakland)
Gold Coast (Chicago-Oakland & Los Angeles)
Idahoan (Cheyenne-Portland via Pocatello)
Los Angeles Limited (Chicago-Los Angeles)
Pony Express (Kansas City-Los Angeles)
Portland Rose (Denver-Portland)
San Francisco Overland (Chicago-Oakland; after 1955 St. Louis-Oakland)
The Spokane (Spokane, WA-Portland)
Utahn (Cheyenne-Los Angeles)
Yellowstone Special (Pocatello, ID-West Yellowstone, MT)

Then of course there was the Santa Fe (AT&SF) who operated:

Super Chief I(Chicago-Los Angeles)
El Capitan (Chicago-Los Angeles)
The Chief (Chicago-Los Angeles
Grand Canyon (Chicago-Los Angeles
The Scout (Chicago-Los Angeles)
San Francisco Chief (Chicago-San Francisco, CA)
Texas Chief (Chicago-Houston)
San Diegan (Los Angeles-San Diego
Tulsan (Kansas City-Tulsa)
Chicagoan (Dallas-Kansas City-Chicago)
Golden Gate (Los Angeles-San Francisco)

Enjoy your experiences on the Forums and perhaps you may find yourseslf visiting "Our" Place where the talk is always of Classic Trains while having some fun doing it.

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

First time and near the first for the year. I have two favorite classic train rides I remember fondly: riding the City of Los Angeles east bound to Chicago in 1954 we walked up to the head ens at Rawlins, Wyoming to watch the E-7's? come off and a Challenger take over the train, and having a kindly conductor open the vacant parlor lounge observation (round end) and letting me watch him vent the steam heat line
on the southbound San Diegan on a dark and stormy night. I remember the vivid red clouds of steam following the train south of Oceanside ca. 1960

[siberianmo]

The ENCORE! presentations are over and along with the New Year, comes new offerings! [tup]

. . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #20 . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific (CM&StP) – The Milwaukee Road

Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage: 1950: 10,664

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 803
Electric: 93

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 42.325
Passenger: 588

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Minneapolis via Milwaukee and Columbus, WI
New Lisbon-Woodruff, WI
Minneapolis-Seattle & Tacoma via Spokane, WA
Minneapolis & St. Paul-Calmar, IA via Austin, MN
La Crescent, MN-Wessington Springs, SD
Rondout, IL (Chicago)-Madison, WI
Watertown, WI-Rapid City, SD
Chicago-Omaha
Manilla, IA-Sioux Falls, SD
Marion-Ottumwa, IA
Sturtevant, WI-Kansas City
La Crosse, WI-Sabula, IA
Des Moines-Spencer, IA
Chicago-Terre Haute, IN
Milwaukee-Ontonagon, MI via Green Bay, WI

Passenger trains of note:

Afternoon Hiawatha (Chicago-Milwaukee-St. Paul & Minneapolis)
Arrow (Chicago-Omaha & Sioux Falls)
Chippewa-Hiawatha (Chicago-Channing, MI)
Copper Country Limited (Chicago-Green Bay-Calumet, MI jointly with DSS&A railroad)
Midwest Hiawatha (Chicago-Omaha & Sioux Falls)
Morning Hiawatha (Chicago-Milwaukee-Minneapolis)
Olympian (Chicago-Twin Cities-Seattle & Tacoma)
Olympian Hiawatha (Chicago-Twin Cities-Seattle U& Tacoma; replaced Olympian)
Pioneer Limited (Chicago-Milwaukee-St. Paul & Minneapolis)
Sioux (Chicago-Madison-Rapid City, SD)
Southwest Limited (Milwaukee & Chicago-Kansas City
Tomahawk (Chicago-Minocqua, WI)
Varsity (Chicago-Madison)

Of note: From 1955-1971, Milwaukee Road operated the Chicago-Omaha segment of UP’s “Overland” streamliners including the City of Denver, City of Portland, City of Los Angeles, City of San Francisco and the Challenger.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day!

. . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! #29 . . . . . . . . .

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #27

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this advertisement out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Something new for veteran travelers

THROUGH SEPT. 29TH

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NEW YORK CENTRAL RAILROAD . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

For a limited time only

AEROTRAIN CLEVELAND-CHICAGO

This much-talked about, lightweight train offers a new experience in travel – provides fast, conveniently scheduled coach service between Cleveland and Chicago . . . with many attractive New York Central features.

* Hostess service
* Seat service for light meals from a rolling buffet
* Separate bar car
* Air cooled
* Reclining contour seats

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Standard Time) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Train #201 – Lv. Cleveland 6:35 AM – Ar. Chicago 12:15 PM
Train #200 – Lv. Chicago 4:00 Pm – Ar. Cleveland 10:45 PM
. . . . . . . . . . . . . Also serving 12 cities in between . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]