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[siberianmo]

G'day!

In my continuing attempts to get some conversations going, here's another:

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #35

Here’s another RR Passenger Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Louisville & Nashville (L&N)

Headquarters: Louisville, KY

Mileage in 1950: 4,779

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 732

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 59,077
Passenger cars: 483

Principal lines in 1950:

Cincinnati-New Orleans via Louisville, Nashville, Lewisborg, TN & Birmingham
Nashville-St. Louis via Evansville, IN
Louisville-Evansville
Memphis Junction, KY (Bowling Green)-Memphis
Cincinnati-Atlanta via Knoxville, TN & Cartersville, GA
Flomaton, AL-Chattahoochie, FL
Anchorage-Hazard, KY via Lexington
Corbin-Baxter, KY
Lebanon Junction-Sinks, KY

Passenger trains of note:

Azalean (New York-New Orleans via Montgomery; joint with PRR, SR and Atlanta & West Point.
Crescent (New York-New Orleans via Montgomery; joint with PRR, SR and A&WP.
Dixie Flagler (Chicago-Miami via Evansville, Nashville & Atlanta)
Dixie Flyer (Chicago-Florida via Evansville, Nashville & Atlanta)
Dixieland (Chicago-Miami via Louisville, Nashville & Montgomery)
Flamingo (Cincinnati-Jacksonville via Corbin, KY)
Georgian (Chicago & St. Louis-Atlanta)
Gulf Wind (New Orleans-Jacksonville; joint with ACL)
Humming Bird (Chicago & St. Louis & Cincinnati-New Orleans & Memphis; joint with Chicago & Eastern Illinois)
Pan-American (Cincinnati-Memphis & New Orleans)
Piedmont Limited (New York-New Orleans via Montgomery; joint with PRR, SR and A&WP)
Southland (Detroit-Florida via Louisville & Corbin)
South Wind (Chicago-Miami via Louisville, Nashville & Montgomery)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Hey Lars! Did it again,eh[?] That site we both are drawing from is rather short on descriptions, but then again,it IS a pix kinda thing.[tup]

Appreciate your continuing support, however, I'm not witnessing any dialogue going on, other than you, Al and moi - and we can do that over at the bar!

Time to reconsider the merits of keeping this thread going. It does provide a bit of a change to what we "do" at the bar, and of course pix all week if one wants to. Gotta think "on it."

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[csmith9474]

http://www.trainweb.org/passengercars/

[LoveDomes]

Hello Tom,

Here's a map of the S.I.R.T. (1953). Bring back memoreis[?][swg]



Until the next time!

Lars

[LoveDomes]

Good Morning Tom,

Check out these pix!

The Auto Train (formerly WP #811) (from: www.trainweb.org)


Silver Crescent, WP #881 (from: www.trainweb.org)


Silver Planet, WP #882 (from: www.trainweb.org)


Silver Chalet at Portland, OR, WP #881 (from: www.trainweb.org{


Silver Chalet, WP #881 (from: www.trainweb.org)


Until the next time!


Lars

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Al,

California is still leading the nation when it comes to passenger railroading. Quite a lot of support on the left coast for passenger servcie.

Those pix at www.trainweb.org are really extensive and worth the time to browse. They seem to do it right at that site![swg]

Alcos have always looked good to me, whether in Gilbert's American Flyer trains of years ago (S gauge) or for real as shown. NYC had some that looked terrific in the lightning bolt livery. I think the best I've ever seen (in photo's) were the D&H Alco's - "Smart" looking locos![tup][tup]

Appreciate, as always, your input.

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Tom enjoyed the southern California Passenger train pix. It doesen't seem like that many years ago Santa Fe operated special trains to the race track at Del Mar. Remember them well!

The UP always had an abundance of E units and never hesitated in adding an additional unit or two to get a heavy CITY train over their lines.

Postwar the Santa Fe seemed to settle on A-B-B-A sets of F units for the SUPER CHIEF, EL CAPITAN while the early postwar CHIEF received A-B-A sets of Alco's Always liked the look of the big Alco's pulling a streamlined consist.

Califonia had to be one of the few states where it was possible to see Alco PA-PB-PA units operated by three different major railroads as SP, UP and AT&SF all owned them and operated them in passenger service in California. The UP Alcos did not last that long in passenger service and were assigned to secondary trains such as the LOS ANGELES LIMITED. SP assigned theirs to the SHASTA DAYLIGHT, CASCADE, CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO, SAN FRANCISCO OVERLAND and SUNSET.

Not unusual to see Alcos operating on Santa Fe SAN DIEGAN's , GOLDEN GATES, FAST MAIL and even the SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Check these pix out!

1967 Santa Fe San Diegan in the Del Mar, CA station.
(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


1967: Union Pacific's City of Los Angeles at Pomona, CA
(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


1967: Santa Fe Chief in the Pomona, CA
(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


1967: Union Pacific's City of Los Angeles at Riverside, CA.
(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Hello Al

Well, had you Posted your last at the bar, you'd have received a hulluvalot more responses and acknowledgments than you ever will 'round this thread![swg]

I too am setting out to find an organization to give my RR "stuff" to, including all of the model trains. Seems like a sensible thing to do.

That book I'm pushing for the RR Book Relay is hardly a prized possession. Check out the "history" I gave on it and you'll see that it was sent to me by a friend. Just a soft cover picture book. I'd NEVER release one of my hardbound RR editions in that manner. Nope!

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Tom you are absolutely right about the mountain of info I have collected. That is why I have a 3.2 gig Computer to put all of the info into and make back ups on CDs. I have 38 three ring binders with hand written notes from over the years and am working on several books at the same time.
I finally got all of my book collection into Barrister bookcases I now have four of them full plus a large area in a closet occupied by magazines. I also have a collection of Videos on trains but lost my picture collection in a move about twelve years ago. I have made arrangements for the entire collection to go to the Sacramento Rail Museum upon my demise. I have collected books about rails for over forty years. I admire your willingness to put some of your books out on loan I don't think I could do that. I don't even let the wife dust them I do that myself. The one advantage to the barrister bookcases is dusting is only needed once a year. And they do not collect dust like they used too. The binder5s with information are not in the bookcases but as soon as i get all of the info transferred to the computer and discs I will eliminate them altogether.

TTFN AL

PS If I had been on your other thread this would have cost me a round of drinks.

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #44

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Come to Arizona on the swift “Golden State”

– the only streamliner direct to Tucson, Phoenix, Palm Springs

Smooth-riding, luxurious – Southern Pacific-Rock Island’s fast Golden State from Chicago via El Paso and Douglas is the only streamliner direct to Southern Arizon’a resort country and Palm Springs Pullman and reclining chair car. Moderate extra fare.

Try this famous train on your next trip to Arizona or California.

Through Pullmans from New York and St. Louis,

P.S. Don’t forget that our Sunset Limited (New Orleans-Los Angeles) also goes direct to Southern Arizona and Palm Springs.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . S*P . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . The friendly Southern Pacific . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Al

Once again, just like a moth to a flame, eh[?][swg]

By the by, the first 5 Santa Fe domes were provided by moi!

My guess is you must have a veritable mountain of notes to draw from in order to compile the info you provide. Fantastic - and I know it ain' just memory![swg]

Today, with laptops and more leading edge technology than one can shake a stick at, recording events, facts, and the like will be far easier to do and to recall.

Appreciate your continuing support and enjoyment of this thread![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Lars Loved those Santa Fe Domes. Their were six of them numbered 500-505 delivered by Pullman Standard in December 1950 and assigned to the SUPER CHIEF . These cars had the famous Turquiose Room private dining room ( served many of Hollywoods leading stars) and the only short domes with only sixteen seats in the dome. The domes also had the only swivel seats in a dome and rear facing seat pairs as well. They were originally to have carried names but spent their entire Santa Fe careers with the numbers only. Several today in private ownership now have the intended names applied. The names were to have been PLAZA ACOMA, PLAZA LAGUNA, PLAZA LAMY, PLAZA SANTA FE, PLAZA TAOS and PLAZA ZUNI. These were the only dome cars ever assigned to the SUPER CHIEFS and they also went onto interesting careers with AMTRAK.

Tom enjoyed the VIA Rail Canada pix as well never seem to tire of them.

As to your post on the NKP never got to ride their trains but did ride on one of their cars the 150 CITY OF CLEVELAND (5 Double Bedroom Buffet Cafe Lounge Car) when it was on lease to Canadian National. The CNR operated the car in the CAVALIER the overnight trains between Toronto and Montreal. Both the 150 CITY OF CLEVELAND and 151 CITY OF CHICAGO were leased to the CNR for at least one year that I know of. Most of the stainless steel equipment leased by CNR operated in the CAVALIER the overnight Toronto - Montreal trains as they could be freely mixed with other equipment and few would see it with Black and white cars and Stainless steel running in the same consists.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Some pix to check out!

Click to enlarge!

VIA Rail’s “Ocean” and Revelstoke Park Car at Central Station, Montreal, QC, Canada


Eastbound “Ocean” and Chateau Argenson Bedroom Car at Moncton, NB


Eastbound “Ocean” and Revelstoke Park Car at Moncton


Eastbound “Ocean” and Tom & Revelstoke Park Car at Moncton


Eastbound “Ocean” at Moncton


Eastbound “Ocean” and Kent Dining Car w/Eddie the Attendant at Moncton


Eastbound “Ocean” ready for departure at Moncton


Between Moncton and Sackville, NB


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #33

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

New York, Chicago & St. Louis – Nickel Plate Road (NKP)

Headquarters: Cleveland, OH

Mileage in 1950 2,192

Locomotives in 1950:

Steam: 392
Diesel: 117

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 29,229
Passenger cars: 117

Principal routes in 1953 (after W&LE merger):

Chicago-Buffalo, NY via Fostoria & Lorain, OH
Toledo, OH-East St. Louis, IL
Toledo-Wheeling, WV & Steubenville, OH
Cleveland-Zanesville, OH
Sandusky, OH-East Peoria, IL via Lima, OH
Indianapolis-Michigan City, IN
Fort Wayne-Connersville & Rushville, IN
Norwalk-Huron, OH
Cleveland-Wellington, OH

Passenger trains of note:

Blue Arrow (Cleveland-St. Louis)
Blue Dart (St. Louis-Cleveland)
City of Chicago (Buffalo-Chicago)
City of Cleveland (Chicago-Buffalo)
Commercial Traveler (Toledo-St. Louis)
New Yorker (Chicago-Buffalo)
Nickel Plate Limited (Chicago-Buffalo)
Westerner (Buffalo-Chicago)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hey Tom!

Nice pix![tup]

Check these out:

Santa Fe #500 (from: www.trainweb.org)


Santa Fe #501 "Super Chief" (from: www.trainweb.org)


Santa Fe #502 (from: www.trainweb.org)


Santa Fe #503 (from: www.trainweb.org)


Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

For: passengerfan Al

Some pix for your morning wake up![swg] (click to enlarge)

AT&SF Navajo (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


AT&SF Navajo observation (courtesty: www.trainweb.org)


AT&SF Navajo Budd 3 comp.-2 D.R.-1 br sleeper-lounge observation car
(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


AT&SF Budd Big Dome #60 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


AT&SF Budd Big Dome Lounge #60 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org}


Note: descriptions very limited.

Enjoy![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Hi Al,

Whatever works![swg] AT&SF, UP, SP, NP, GN, etc. they all begin the feeding frenzy, which is fine with me. Always appreciate your informative Posts, here and at the bar.

By the by, I concur wholeheartedly with your Dad's point of view regarding 1st class travel. When it's for pleasure, do it right - after all, that's one of the rewards of a lifetime of work.[tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Tom If you are trying to get me to come out of the woodwork you certainly know how.
Loved the piece on the EL CAPITAN and just had to reply.
The EL CAPITAN that extra fare all coach streamliner had just been reequipped in 1949 with leg-rest coaches seating 44 passengers only. Each of those new coaches featured large bathrooms for the passengers with plenty of room to shave and clean up. They were Pullman Standard built cars and the seating was the latest from Heywood/Wakefield. The two new Lunch Counter Dining cars in each consist were from Budd and the Club Lounge car was from Pullman Standard.

In 1950 the EL CAP{ITAN consists were once again reequipped with new leg-rest coaches and Lunch Counter dining cars both from P/S.

It would be 1956 when the all Budd built Hi-Level EL CAPITANS entered service and provided what many believe was the finest long distance coach streamliners to ever enter service. I had the pleasure of riding the Hi Level EL CAPITAN on two trips and both were memorable. Both times I was in the Navy so could not afford the SUPER CHIEF, although after both trips my dad said he would have paid the difference for me
to ride the SUPER CHIEF.
My dad is very strange when it comes to rail travel he believes first class is the only way to travel and he feels the same about air travel as well.

Time to think about dinner this evening. I have to batch it tonight so will put something in the oven but notice we have none of those TV dinners so will find something else.

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

Good Evening!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #43

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Santa Fe (AT&SF) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.

always “at Ease” on El Capitan

Easy dress * Easy Comfort * Easy cost

”Come as your are!” on this famous Santa Fe
all-chair streamliner. Just 39 ¾ easy hors
between Chicago and California. Restful
club lounge car “just for fun!” Fred Harvey meals . . .
Coach fare plus a small extra fare . . .
Same route as The Chief
And Super Chief.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Like F40PH locos[?] Check these out from my personal collection of photos:

Click to enlarge!

F40PH #6420 eastbound at Moncton, NB, Canada


F40PH #6408 eastbound at Moncton


F40PH #6412 outbound at Halifax, NS


F40PH #6432 outbound at Halifax


F40PH #6444 westbound at Capreol, Ontario


F40PH #6445 westbound at Capreol


F40PH #6441 eastbound at Jasper, Alberta


F40PH #6442 eastbound at Jasper


That’s it – Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #32

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Kansas City Southern (KCS)

Headquarters: Kansas City, MO

Mileage:

1950: 962
2000: 2,995

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 121

Rolling stock in1963:

Freight cars; 581
Passenger cars: 22

Principal routes in 1950:

Kansas City, MO-Shreveport, LA-Port Arthur, TX
Dallas, TX-Shreveport-New Orleans, LA
Minden-Alexander, LA

Passenger trains of note:

Flying Crow (Kansas City-New Orleans & Port Arthur)
Shreveporter (Hope-Shreveport)
Southern Belle (Kansas City-New Orleans & Port Arthur)

Taken at KCity's Union Station from my personal collection:


Taken at KCity's Union Station from my presonal collection:



Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

For: CNR1949

Another fine submission![tup][tup][tup] Surely can relate to what you have said, as I've traveled across Canada on two complete round-trips, but with VIA Rail from Toronto to Vancouver and return. Absolutely wonderful experiences in tems of scenery and riding those magnificant Budd stainless steel cars. Had the drawing room (triple bedroom) in the Park Car - another treat, indeed![tup]

We also have been traveling between Montreal and Halifax aboard VIA Rail at least annually for about 16 years.

(Check out the previous pages, there's lots of good stuff to catch up on!)

Hope you enjoy these pix (I believe you meant to refer to Sibley as "Park" in lieu of "Manor" - but no problem, I surely know what you are talking about![swg])

There was an occasion whereby we saw more snow crossing the "Shield" than we saw in the Canadian Rockies - and that was in December/January! Beautiful and breathtaking are only a couple of descriptors for what we saw.[tup]

Yours is precisely what we like to discuss over at "Our" Place on this Forum. Recommend you re-Post this and your previous informative entry over there. You will get far more response than here.

CPR's Sibley Park (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


VIA Rail's Sibley Park (courtesty: www.trainweb.org)


VIA Rail's Sibley Park at Delson RR Museum (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[CNR1949]

(Thanks for posting those fine pics of Revelstoke Park - they bring back fine memories)

Another memorable trip for me was from from Winnipeg to Toronto return to Winnipeg in March 1987. By this time I'd discovered that Toronto had a subway system so I used to fly down for a weekend to ride the cars or in this case I used the school's spring break to travel via VIA to indulge my passion for steel wheels on steel rails.

The Canadian left Winnipeg from Union Station on Main Street, the CPR station on Higgins Avenue no longer handled passenger traffic. As usual, departure was late, but only an hour this time. The porter came through to say the delay was because we had no engine - I guess that would delay a train, wouldn't it!! Something had malfunctioned on the engine meant for our train so we were awaiting another one from the shop. I was in Roomette 2 in Butler Manor with the comforting sound of steam in the pipes, supplied by the steam plant in the east yard.

Finally I heard the doors banging, the "all aboard" and away we went, reaching the mainline CPR high iron in time for lunch. The meals were good and reasonably priced I thought, chicken fingers for lunch at $7.33 and halibut for dinner at $10.45 which included soup and lemon pie. Seatmates at dinner were a fellow from Edmonton and a couple from New Zealand. There seemed to be a lot of folks from down under touring Canada.

That night I slept through the Lake Superior portion of the trip and the next day found us heading through the rocks towards Sudbury. At Chapleau it began to snow heavily and every mile brought into view a new panorama of Christmas cards - frozen lakes, snow laden spruce trees, the white bark of poplars against the darker spruce. By noon we'd reached Sudbury and left the snow behind. There the train was split with the Montreal section going its separate way. I stayed in the dome car during the switching operation.

Heading south on the last leg towards Toronto we kept hitting red signals. The brakeman told me that could mean broken rails or someone had laid a steel bar across the tracks, but finally we got moving again and bombed into Parry Sound at 77 mph. By then I was chatting with a meteorologist from Lytton, BC who was going to Cornwall, ON for a course. After dinner I headed back to the dome car for the last mad dash into downtown Toronto.

Heading home on April 2nd I was in Roomette 2 in Lorne Manor. This time the trip along Lake Superior was in daylight and I got up at 6 so that I'd get a good seat in the dome car (Sibley Manor). What a spectacular trip it was along the steep cliffs, the slide warning fences broken in places, large icicles and frozen waterfalls decorating the rock faces. One of the highlights for me came as we rolled over the trestle spanning the Little Pic River. Two photographs of this trestle with steam-hauled passenger trains hung in our living room when I was a child. One of dad's cousins had been a guard at the nearby prisoner of war camp during WW II and he had taken the pictures, enlarged them and presented them to my parents as a wedding gift. I don't suppose mother cared too much about them, but rail fan dad was thrilled. I was happy to at last see the original.

By 2:45 that afternoon we were threading the lakes and rocks between Ignace and Dryden and at one point I calculated the speed at 70 mph, but I was tiring of the rocks and trees and frozen lakes. It seemed that Canada was nothing but hard surfaces, but finally we passed Kenora, threaded two tunnels and seeing prairie ahead the engineer loosed the F units. Heading west at what I calculated to be 90 mph the engines' exhaust smudged the blush of red on the far horizon as we hurtled past cows being rounded up for the evening milking and passed lonely cars on the icy two lane highway that paralleled the railway near Rennie, MB. It felt like we had been released from a very constricting straight jacket as we raced towards the glowing office towers that rise from Winnipeg's windiest corner, Portage & Main.

It had been a wonderful trip but how good it was to be home again, in my own bed, though I awakened several times that night with the sensation that the bed was moving, gently vibrating to the rubber-band-like pull of a free-running F unit.

[siberianmo]

For CNR1949

Now THAT's what this thread is supposed to be all about - great Post![tup][tup][tup]

What wonderful experiences you have traveling aboard those fine trains![yeah]

You may find these pix of interest: (click to enlarge)

VIA Rail's Revelstoke Park on the HO Can-Am RR


VIA Rail's Revelstoke Park in Halifax, NS


VIA Rail's Revelstoke Park at Moncton, NB


VIA Rail's Revelstoke Park at Montreal, QC



You may find "Our" Place an interactive cyber bar 'n grill, an interesting stop here on the Classic Trains Forum. Check it out.

Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[CNR1949]

In the mid-1970's I was teaching in Winnipeg, MB. My spring rewards were traveling by train to Vancouver, then flying home. I alternated between CPR's Canadian and CNR's Super Continental. I recall my first trip on the Super C as I called it - I had a roomette but spent most of my time in one of the big superdomes CN had purchased from Milwaukee Road. We had been late leaving Winnipeg (about 3 hours I think) and we were trying to make up time (we did arrive in Vancouver on time). After leaving Saskatoon the engineer was pouring on the oil, giving the F units free rein. I was seated near the back of the dome car as we hurtled and rocked along through a spring blizzard. It was a totally magic hour to be enclosed in that bubble of warmth while the snow pellets bounced off the glass.

That evening we were west of Edmonton, bouncing through the boreal forest. I admired the skill of the waiters in the dining car as they moved with the motion of the train, not spilling anything - however, it was a different story at each table - by the end of the meal the tablecloth was stained with sloshed coffee and other liquids.

Another year I had a similar magical hour as The Canadian approached Golden along the valley of the Columbia River. That time the speaker system in Revelstoke Park was working and classical music was being piped in - what magic to be floating along through that snowy wilderness past Moberly with Mozart's melodies filling the air.

[siberianmo]

For: passengerfan Al - LoveDomes Lars & BudKarr BK

Thanx for the support!! Check out these pix:


(1) Kirkwood Amtrak Station, Kirkwood, Missouri



(2) Kirkwood Amtrak Station, Kirkwood, Missouri


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

A photo spread for our friend LoveDomes Lars

What's not to like about these [?]







(all from the VIA Rail web site: www.viarail.ca}

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[BudKarr]

Hello Captain Tom!

Greetings from half a world away (details at the bar!).

Just thought I would show my support and stop by this thread. A bit more activity than what I saw a couple of weeks ago. Good show, maybe there is hope after all.

BK wishing I was in Alberta!

[LoveDomes]

Good Afternoon,

Some photos to liven up the "crowd" on this holdiay Monday:

Wabash #200 (1956, Moberly, MO) {from: www.trainweb.org}



#200 as Amtrak #9560 (1972, Newport News, VA) (from: www.trainweb.org)



Former Wabash #201 as N&W #1611 (from: www.trainweb.org)


Former Wabash #201 as Amtrak #9561(from: www.trainweb.org)


Until the next time.

Lars