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Posted by LoveDomes on Sunday, May 7, 2006 1:47 PM
G'day Tom

I'm on a roll . . . another of your favorites!


PRR GG1 #4933 (photo credit: Jack Humphrey)



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Posted by LoveDomes on Sunday, May 7, 2006 12:36 PM
G'day Tom


I'll add your favorite to the "list" . . . .


PRR GG1 #4859 (photo credit: Transportation Center, Harrisburg, PA)



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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, May 7, 2006 11:04 AM
G'day!

Something "different" for the Pennsy!


[4:-)] [oX)]



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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, May 7, 2006 7:48 AM
ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #12

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR)



Headquarters: Philadelphia, PA

Mileage:

1950: 10,000
1962: 9,756

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 2,402
Electric: 254

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 139,356 Passenger cars: 3,546

Principal routes in 1950:

Philadelphia-Harrisburg-Pittsburgh, PA
New York-Washington, DC
Pittsburgh-Fort Wayne, IN-Chicago, IL
Pittsburgh-Indianapolis, IN-St. Louis, MO
Pittsburgh-Cleveland, OH
Baltimore, MD-Buffalo, NY
Wilmington, DE-Norfolk, VA
Chicago-Columbus, OH
Logansport, IN-Louisville, KY
Logansport-Cincinnati
Fort Wayne, IN-Mackinaw City, MI
Columbus-Toledo, OH-Detroit, MI

Passenger trains of note:

Broadway Limited (New York-Chicago)
Clevelander (New York-Cleveland)
Cincinnati Limited (New York-Cincinnati)
Colonial (Boston-Washington, joint with New Haven)
Congressional (New York-Washington)
Duquesne (New York-Pittsburgh)
Edison (New York-Washington)
The General (New York-Chicago)
Golden Triangle (Chicago-Pittsburgh)
Jeffersonian (New York-St. Louis)
Kentuckian (Chicago-Louisville)
Liberty Limited (Washington-Chicago)
Manhattan Limited (New York & Washington-Chicago)
Pennsylvania Limited (New York & Washington-Chicago)
Penn Texas (New York-Washington-St. Louis)
Pittsburgher (New York-Pittsburgh)
Red Arrow (New York-Detroit)
St. Louis (New York-Washington-St. Louis)
Senator (Boston-Washington, joint with New Haven)
“Spirit of St. Louis” (New York-St. Louis)
South Wind (Chicago-Miami, joint with L&N, ACL and Florida East Coast)
Trail Blazer (New York-Chicago)
Union (Chicago-Columbus, OH)

Of note: In the New York-Florida market, the PRR was a forwarder for many connecting passenger trains from other roads.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, May 6, 2006 7:32 PM
G'day!

What a lonely place! Not at all like sitting in the car! [swg]


D&RGW California Zephyr lounge car


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, May 6, 2006 5:33 PM
G'day!

Appreciate the support, Lars! [tup]



DRGW Abraham Lincoln Pullman Car (GNU Free Document



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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, May 6, 2006 2:48 PM
G'day Capt. Tom

Like an empty train station around here today . . . kinda tells the tale, huh[?]


DRGW #1106 Silver Colt (1982) (from: www.trainweb.org)



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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, May 6, 2006 10:17 AM
Hiya Tom

Expect things to be really slow 'round here without 20 Fingers - but let's give it a try!


DRGW #1108 Silver Pony (1980) (from: www.trainweb.org)



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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, May 6, 2006 9:50 AM
G'day!


D&RGW #601 leads the California Zephyr (1949) (fair use)



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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, May 6, 2006 8:06 AM
ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #11


Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Denver & Rio Grande Western (D&RGW) [img]

Headquarters: Denver, CO

Mileage:

1950: 2,413
1995: 2,238 including trackage rights routes

Rolling stock as of 1963: Freight cars – 12,610 Passenger cars – 96

Principal lines in 1950:

Denver-Bond, CO-Salt Lake City, UT
Denver-Pueblo-Dotsero, CO
Pueblo-Trinidad, CO
Walsenburg-Alamosa, CO
Alamosa-Durango, CO
Salida-Gunnison, CO
Mears Junction-Alamosa
Alamosa-Creede, CO
Bond-Craig, CO
Grand Junction-Ouray, CO
Thistle-Marysvale, UT
Salt Lake City-Ogden, UT

Passenger trains of note:

California Zephyr (Chicago-Oakland, joint w/Burlington & Western Pacific)
Colorado Eagle (St. Louis-Pueblo-Denver, joint w/MoPac)
Exposition Flyer (Chicago-Oakland, joint w/Burlington & WP, replaced by California Zephyr in 1949)
Mountaineer (Denver-Montrose, CO, via Moffat Tunnel)
Panoramic (Denver-Ogden)
Prospector (Denver-Salt Lake City)
Rio Grande Zephyr (Denver-Ogden [later cut back to Salt Lake City], replaced California Zephyr 1970-83)
Royal Gorge (Denver-Pueblo-Ogden)
San Juan (Alamosa-Durango, CO)
The Silverton (Durango-Silverton, CO)
The Yampa Valley (Denver-Craig)

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, May 5, 2006 7:39 PM
G'day!

Good to see ya, Al and appreciate the continuing "flow" of info here on the "Encore" Thread! [tup] We'll miss ya 'round here for the next several days . . .

Nice Pix from BK 'n Lars! . . .

A little something to bring back some memories . . .


Canada: CN Skyview Car, circa: 1965-69)(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)



Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, May 5, 2006 4:45 PM
I'm here had to stay out of the wifes way while she packed. Don't know why it takes five hours to pack for four days.

CANADIAN
NATIONAL
Streamlined Head End Cars
By Al

The Canadian National Canada’s Government owned railway began purchasing semi- streamlined head end cars as early as 1936. In fact these cars except for the roof ends and the fact they rode on six-wheel trucks would otherwise have been deemed streamlined. The first four of these cars were delivered by National Steel Car to the Canadian National in October 1936. These four cars were Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Cars 3600 – 3603. These cars were assigned to General Service on long distance trains such as the OCEAN LIMITED and CONTINENTAL LIMITED.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS National Steel Car Company October 1936 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE)

3600 – 3603

A pair of Semi-streamlined Baggage Cars arrived from National Steel Car Co. in May 1938 numbered 4200, 4201. These two cars were part of an order for seven cars the other five were Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office cars 3404 – 3408. In fact National Steel Car Co. of Hamilton, Ontario, would construct every CN semi-streamlined and streamlined head end cars.

BAGGAGE CARS National Steel Car Company May 1938 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE)

4200 – 4201

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS National Steel Car Company May 1938 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE)

3404 - 3408

Canada being a British Commonwealth country entered WW II in September 1939 and right away there was restrictions placed on the types of Railway cars that could be constructed for the duration of the war. Being in desperate need of additional Baggage 30' Railway Post Office cars the Canadian Government allowed Canadian National to receive ten of these cars numbered 3609 – 3618 from National Steel Car. These cars had actually been ordered before the war broke out. These cars were identical to the previous semi-streamlined Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Cars built to the so called Canadian Flyer design similar to those prewar cars constructed at Pullman Standards old Osgood Bradley plant in Worcester, Mass. referred to as the American Flyer cars.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS National Steel Car Company April 1940 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE)

3609 – 3618

Badly in need of new cars following WW II the Canadian National placed orders for the car types they needed most desperately. The first head end cars delivered to the Canadian National following WW II were twelve streamlined Baggage Cars numbered 8827 – 8838. These twelve cars were assigned to general service after delivery in June – July 1948. In October – November 1948 the Canadian National received ten Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Cars 7840 - 7849 assigning these cars to General Service.

BAGGAGE CARS National Steel Car Company June – July 1948 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE)

8827 – 8838

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS National Steel Car Company October – November 1948 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE)

7840 – 7849

In 1950 the CN received an order for 50 Baggage Cars numbered 8981 – 9030. This group of cars permitted many of the old truss rod Baggage cars still in use to be retired or transferred to branch line duties. These old cars had originally been built for CN predecessors and were of wood construction but later sheathed in steel, but in any case they were long overdue for retirement from mainline trains.
Another fifty Baggage Cars were received from National Steel Car between August and November 1951 numbered 9031 – 9080, and like the previous fifty from 1950 they were assigned to General service.

BAGGAGE CARS National Steel Car Company March – July 1950 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE)

8981 – 9030

BAGGAGE CARS National Steel Car Company August – November 1951 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE)

9031 – 9080

The Canadian National next received three orders for head end cars in 1953. The first of these was the final order for five Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Cars numbered 7850 – 7854. These five cars were delivered in April – May. The next 1953 order was for fifty-eight Baggage Cars numbered 9085 – 9142 delivered between May and August 1953. A follow on order for an additional twenty-nine Baggage Cars numbered 9144 – 9172 followed in August and September 1953.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS National Steel Car Company April – May 1953 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE)

7850 – 7854

BAGGAGE CARS National Steel Car Company May – August 1953 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

9085 – 9142

BAGGAGE CARS National Steel Car Company August – September 1953 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE)

9144 – 9172

Deliveries of thirty Baggage Cars per year were received by the Canadian National in both 1953 and 1954 from National Steel Car Company. In addition the CN received there only order for streamlined Baggage 60’ Railway Post Office cars in 1954, in fact these were the last RPO cars constructed for the Canadian National. These five cars 3745 – 3749 were assigned to service in trains operating between Montreal and Toronto chiefly but were also found operating as Far West as Windsor, Ontario and as Far East as Quebec City.

BAGGAGE CARS National Steel Car Company October – November 1953 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE)

9173 – 9202

BAGGAGE 60’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS National Steel Car Company April – June 1954 (Built for and assigned to trains in the Canadian Corridor)

3745 – 3749

BAGGAGE CARS National Steel Car Company October – December 1954 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE)

9203 –9232

An order for twenty Baggage Cars numbered 9233 – 9252 arrived from National Steel Car Company in December 1955 for assignment to general service.

BAGGAGE CARS National Steel Car Company December 1955 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE)

9233 – 9252

An order for twenty Baggage Cars arrived in May – June 1957 for CN service numbered 9253 – 9272. As with previous cars of this type they were assigned to General service.

BAGGAGE CARS National Steel Car Company May – June 1957 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE)

9253 – 9272

The Canadian National received a final order for Baggage Cars from National Steel Car Company in February – March 1958 numbers 9273 – 9302. These thirty cars were the last new head end cars built by National Steel Car Company.

BAGGAGE CARS National Steel Car Company February – March 1958 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE)

9273 – 9302

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Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, May 5, 2006 3:23 PM
Hiya Tom

What's the deal - no 20 FIngers[?] Thought tomorrow was his 1st day "away"[?]

CN a mighty fine "empire" wouldn't you say[?] Never did quite like that sale of the ICG . . . but such is life in this so-called "Global economy." Just would rather keep our RRs and other vital transportation links under our own control - as should every sovereign nation.

CN "Super Continental" eastbound at Jasper (1972)
(from: www.trainweb.org) Photo: Chris Guenzler




Until the next time! [tup]

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Posted by BudKarr on Friday, May 5, 2006 12:36 PM
Good Day Captain Tom

Quite an interesting railway and it spans much of the continent. Thought the map would depict it far better than I . . . .

CN system map


See you over at the bar.


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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, May 5, 2006 10:58 AM
ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #53

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Canadian National Railways (CNR) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.



one of Canada’s 10 most popular VACATIONS

ENJOY the best that Canada offers. Play in the mountain-and-sea setting of the glorious West Coast (Vancouver harbor) or see the sights of her Eastern Cities: Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec, Halifax . . . You go in comfort by Canadian National, the railway to everywhere in Canada.

”East or West, we’ll show you
CANADA’s BEST!”


EXPLORE the snug harbors, the historic towns, the “picture places” of Canada’s Maritime Provinces (Lunenburg, Nova Scotia). The Ocean Limited, the International Limited and other Canadian National “name trains give easy access to all Eastern Canada.

BE THE GUEST of the largest railway system in North America . . . traveling happy-go-lazy to choice vacation areas . . . stopping at Canadian National resorts and big city hotels of distinction. To California and anywhere West, to New York and anywhere East, go Canadian National. “We’ll tell you where and take you there!”


CANADIAN NATIONAL

THE RAILWAY TO EVERYWHERE IN CANADA


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, May 5, 2006 8:06 AM
ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #10

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Canadian National Railways (passenger operations)



Headquarters: Montreal, Quebec

Mileage as of 1955: 24,220

Locomotives as of 1963:

Steam: 0
Diesel: 2,125
Electric: 27

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars– 105,177 Passenger cars: 2,808

Principal routes in 1955:

Halifax, NS-Montreal, QC (two routes)
Halifax-Sydney, NS
St. John’s-Port aux Basques, NL (42” gauge)
Montreal-Portland, ME (via subsidiary Grand Trunk Railway in U.S.)
Montreal-New London, CT (via subsidiary Central Vermont in U.S.)
Quebec City-Montreal-Toronto-Windsor & Sarnia, ON-Detroit, MI & Chicago (via subsidiary GTW in U.S.)
Toronto-North Bay, ON
Toronto-Niagara Falls, ON
Quebec City-Winnipeg, MB
Montreal-Winnipeg
Winnipeg-Churchill, MB
Winnipeg-Duluth, MN (via subsidiary Duluth, Winnipeg & Pacific in U.S.)
Winnipeg-Vancouver, BC
Winnipeg-Regina, SK
Saskatoon, SK-Calgary, AB
Calgary-Edmonton, AB
Jasper, AB-Prince Rupert, BC

Passenger trains of note in 1955:

Super Continental (Montreal & Toronto-Vancouver)
Continental Limited (Montreal & Toronto-Vancouver)
Ocean Limited (Montreal-Halifax)
Scotian (Montreal-Halifax)
Caribou (St. John’s-Port aux Basques)
International Limited (Montreal-Toronto-Chicago)
Inter-City Limited (Montreal-Toronto-Detroit & Chicago)
Northland (Toronto-North Bay & Timmins & Kapuskasing, ON)
Maple Leaf (Toronto-Philadelphia & New York City)
Montrealer & Washingtonian (Montreal-New York City-Washington, DC)
Ambassador (Montreal-Boston)
Gull (Boston-Portland, ME-Saint John, NB-Halifax)

Of note:
Montreal & Toronto-Chicago route with GTW Detroit & Port Huron-Chicago.
Toronto-Philadelphia & New York route with Lehigh Valley, Niagara Falls, NY-New York City.
Montreal-New York City & Boston & Washington route with CV, B&M, NH and PRR.
Halifax-Boston route with CP, Maine Central and B&M.
Toronto-Timmins & Kapuskasing route with Ontario Northland Railway.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, May 4, 2006 8:56 PM
Good Afternoon Guess I'll just add this to complete the MKT.

MISSOURI
KANSAS
TEXAS
Streamlined Head End Car
by Al


The KATY owned a single lightweight streamlined head end car 1000 ANSON B. JONES. The 1000 ANSON B. JONES was a Baggage 30’ railway Post Office Car built for the KATY consist of the streamlined TEXAS SPECIAL and was completed by Pullman Standard in April 1948. The FRISCO owned an identical car for their TEXAS SPECIAL consist numbered and named 250 ROCK HILL delivered at the same time.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS Pullman Standard April 1948 (Built for and assigned to the TEXAS SPECIALS)

KATY
1000 ANSON B. JONES

FRISCO
250 ROCK HILL

Due to the rapid turn around time required in San Antonio and St. Louis a third TEXAS SPECIAL was added using modernized heavyweight cars and lightweight streamlined sleeping cars. The head end car modernized and painted for TEXAS SPECIAL service was Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car 229 ALBERT MARTIN. This car modernization and entry into TEXAS SPECIAL service took place in September 1948.

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 4, 2006 7:17 PM
G'day!

Been awhile - here's another X2000 Pix!


Sweden X2000 (SJ AB) Sundsval (foto credit: StH-13@gmx.at)



Later! [tup]

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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, May 4, 2006 1:59 PM
G'day Tom!

I've never seen so many JOs all out at once! [tdn] The forum is inundated!!

Ah, but on your two threads, we enjoy the Classics! [tup]

My contribution to today's "theme!"


Sweden X2000 (SJ AB) (photo credit: unknown)



Until the next time!

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 4, 2006 12:07 PM
G'day!

No real "theme" established - UNLESS we pursue the X2000!! and trains of Sweden. Why not[?] [swg]


Sweden: X2000 (SJ AB) (Wikimedia Commons)



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Posted by BudKarr on Thursday, May 4, 2006 11:00 AM
Good Morning Captain Tom

My,my - this is a bit strange. No one "home"[?]

I just left the bar and enjoyed the "X2000" information. Here is the material I left for the guys:

QUOTE: Posted by BudKarr
Posted: 28 Oct 2005, 14:25:21

My story involves a trip between Göteborg and Stockholm, Sweden back in the mid-90s aboard the "tilt train" referred to as the X2000.

My memory is not quite as vivid as many of you out there who thrive on these kinds of recollections. I prefer rail travel, but am not what one may consider to be a rail fan nor am I a hobbyist. Mine is to use that mode for travel when it best fits into the time I have available.

X2000 provides all types of innovative approaches to passenger rail travel, many of which have since been incorporated elsewhere. For example: Automatic Train Control which can stop the train should a signal "back" not be received; Parking brakes and anti-slip devices that are electronic in operation; magnetic emergency braking that can stop a speeding train at 125 mph in about 3/4 of a mile; asynchronous traction motors used to power the car's four axles; and of course the "tilt" mechanism that kicks in when rounding curves.

The consist we had that particular run featured the locomotive and I believe 5 or 6 cars, each with specific interior designs and purposes. I traveled in First Class in the 2nd car back from the locomotive - I think.

I recall the cars being "done" rather fashionably, although a bit on the "plastic" side - sterile might be a better word. Some passengers appeared to be a bit uncomfortable with the motion of the car, causing a feeling of "sea sickness." Fortunately, no one found a reason to experience projectile vomiting in the car I traveled in!

My recollection is that I had no dificulty navigating the passageways heading to and from other cars, asI visited the bar car a few times to sample the Swedish brew and other delights. I could have waited for the on board Hostess, but wanted to stretch my legs during that just a bit under 4 hour journey.

I do not wi***o make comparisons with other trains, such as the French TGV or German ICE, etc. The X2000 is a distinctive engineering accomplishment and stands alone in my mind as worth the expense of time and money.

The Swedish countryside seemed to zip by and as I had read from someone's Post elsewhere - looking from the window was as is a slide show was taking place. They advertised the speeds in excess of 100 mph, perhaps even 125. All I can report is that we were moving and moving quite well. The ride was fine and stops minimal.

Today, as I understand it, the X2000 runs link most of Sweden's major cities. I travel to that part of the world rather frequently, but have not availed myself of a repeat train trip. Next time, I plan to.



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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 7:36 PM
Oh maybe just one more MKT streamliner post for this day

MISSOURI
KANSAS
TEXAS
Streamlined Observations
by Al


The MKT better known as the Katy owned a single streamlined Observation that was part of an order for two. The twin to the 1400 STEPHEN F. AUSTIN was the SL-SF owned 1350 JOSEPH PULITZER both built for the streamlined TEXAS SPECIAL of 1948 for operation between St. Louis and San Antonio. The interiors of the two Observations featured 2 Double Bedrooms 0ne Drawing Room Buffet 21 seat lounge Observations.
Between St. Louis and Vinita, Oklahoma the Frisco operated the train over their rail and from Vinita to San Antonio the Katy rails were used.

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 21 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard May 1948 Plan: 4121 Lot 6769 (Built for and assigned to TEXAS SPECIAL)

M-K-T

1400 STEPHEN F. AUSTIN

SL-SF

1350 JOSEPH PULITZER

It was soon discovered that that two consists was not enough and a third heavyweight consist was added to the TEXAS SPECIAL. The Sleeping cars and Coaches were streamlined only the feature and head end cars were heavyweights. These heavyweight cars were painted to match the streamlined TEXAS SPECIAL cars complete with shadow line striping to simulate the fluted stainless steel sides of the lightweight streamlined cars.
When the SL-SF discontinued the TEXAS SPECIAL between St. Louis and Vinita in 1959 the TEXAS SPECIAL became strictly a KATY operation between Kansas City and San Antonio using the heavyweight and lightweight cars of the M-K-T only.
In 1964 the southern terminal of the TEXAS SPECIAL was cut back to Dallas and a year later in 1965 the TEXAS SPECIAL was discontinued all together.
The KATY owned streamlined Observation from the TEXAS SPECIAL the 1400 STEPHEN F. AUSTIN was sold to the KCS in 1968 for Business car use.

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 4:51 PM
Nice going Al - you've surely provided some wonderful info along the way! [tup]

See you've made it to the bar today! Awwwwwwwright! [tup]

Meanwhile, back on the Form I see the JOs are at it again! The "anonymity bunch" with the incessant 'questions, polls and nonsense.'

Go figger . . .

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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 3:58 PM
One more streamlined car post on the MKT can't hurt.

MISSOURI
KANSAS
TEXAS
(MKT)
Streamlined Dining & Lounge Cars
by Al

The M-K-T owned but five streamlined feature cars. Four were purchased new and the fifth was a used streamlined heavyweight that came from the Illinois Central.
The first three lightweight –streamlined feature cars of the M-K-T were built for the postwar TEXAS SPECIAL operated jointly with the SL-SF between St. Louis and San Antonio. The FRISCO owned one complete set of equipment and the M-K-T owned the other. It was soon realized that a third set of equipment would be necessary for daily operation to allow for repairs and late running trains, although both railroads prided themselves in operating the TEXAS SPECIAL as close to schedule as possible. The two roads believed they had enough lightweight coaches and sleeping cars for the third train. For the feature cars in the third TEXAS SPECIAL the M-K-T and SL-SF drew from prewar heavyweight cars and modernized them for TEXAS SPECIAL service, and painted them to match the fully streamlined cars. The one heavyweight car for the third TEXAS SPECIAL to come from the SL-SF was a 9-seat Lunch Counter 14-seat coach number 1603 GLENDALE released for service in the third TEXAS SPECIAL in September 1948.
The three M-K-T cars were Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car 229-ALBERT MARTIN, 36-seat Dining Car 434 WILLIAM WARD and Bar 28-seat lounge 8 seat Solarium Observation 496-EDWIN W. MOORE.
The new feature cars built for the TEXAS SPECIAL and delivered to the M-K-T in April 1948 were as follows.

Conductors Desk 26-seat coach 24-seat Lounge Buffet Cars Pullman Standard April 1948 (Built for and assigned to TEXAS SPECIALS)

M-K-T

1300 MIRABEAU B. LAMAR

SL-SF

1650 STERLING PRICE

36-seat Dining Cars Pullman Standard April 1948 (Built for and assigned to TEXAS SPECIALS)
M-K-T

1100 SAM HOUSTON

SL-SF

650 ALEXANDER DONIPHAN

1-Drawing Room 2-Double Bedroom Buffet 23-seat Lounge Observations Pullman Standard May 1948 Plan 4121 Lot 6769 (Built for and assigned to TEXAS SPECIALS)

M-K-T

1400 STEPHEN F. AUSTIN

SL-SF

1350 JOSEPH PULITZER

In November 1950 the M-K-T purchased a used heavyweight streamlined 36-seat dining car from the Illinois Central that had become surplus to their needs. This car rebuilt and streamlined for the Louisville – Fulton section of the PANAMA LIMITED was numbered 4108 LOUISVILLE. When the Louisville section of the train was discontinued the M-K-T was able to purchase the car and after repainting to match the other TEXAS SPECIAL cars the car was numbered and renamed 1110 WILLIAM WARD replacing the earlier heavyweight car of this name in TEXAS SPECIAL train service.
In August 1955 the M-K-T received the last new lightweight streamlined car built for them the 1301 TEMPLE built by Pullman Standard for TEXAS SPECIAL service. This car was a duplicate of the earlier 1300 MIRABEAU B. LAMAR with Conductors desk 26-seat coach section 24-seat lounge and buffet. In 1967 this car was sold to the SP&S who rebuilt the car to a 60-seat coach before entering service on that road.

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 1:39 PM
G'day!

And another Pix . . .

MKT New Braunfels coach (www.trainweb.org)


Thanx Art for the kind words! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 1:10 PM
A Little more on streamlined equipment of the MKT

MISSOURI
KANSAS
TEXAS
Streamlined Coaches
By Al

The MKT more popularly known as the KATY was a very pro passenger railway throughout the 1930s and 1940s. In fact the KATY was among the last railroads to order new heavyweight cars.
The principal passenger train operated by the KATY was the jointly owned and operated TEXAS SPECIAL between St. Louis and San Antonio daily in each direction. The TEXAS SPECIAL operated over the rails of the SL-SF between St. Louis and Vinita, Oklahoma and Katy for the remainder of the trip. The all KATY route of the TEXAS SPECIAL was discontinued on March 4, 1917 when the shorter route came into existence between the two roads. This joint operational and equipment agreement would last until 1959 when the SL-SF withdrew. Prior to the agreement each road had operated competing trains between St. Louis and Dallas the KATY TEXAS SPECIAL and FRISCO METEOR. After the agreement only the TEXAS SPECIAL operated on this route. The FRISCO METEOR became a St. Louis – Tulsa – Oklahoma City train. Both roads were anxious to streamline the TEXAS SPECIAL following WW II and with that in mind orders were placed with EMD for four E7A diesels and with Pullman Standard for 28 passenger cars. Two of the E7A units and fourteen of the streamlined Red and stainless steel streamlined cars were KATY owned. The new streamlined TEXAS SPECIAL trains operated with both coach and sleeping car accommodations. The new TEXAS SPECIAL inaugural took place on May 16, 1948 with the KATY consist departing San Antonio and the FRISCO consist departing St. Louis. The following are the two types of coaches we are concerned with in this book only the KATY cars are listed. For information on the FRISCO cars see that chapter.

56 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard April 1948 (Built for and assigned to TEXAS SPECIAL)

1200 EDWARD BURLESON

1201 DAVID G. BURNETT

1202 J. PINCKNEY HENDERSON

26 REVENUE SEAT COACH BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE CAR Pullman Standard April 1948 (Built for and assigned to TEXAS SPECIAL)

1300 MIRABEAU B. LAMAR

The 1202 J. PINCKNEY HENDERSON was wrecked in December 1953 and scrapped. Pullman Standard built an experimental stainless steel coach in May 1954 with a seating capacity of 72. The KATY purchased the car as a replacement for the wrecked 1202 J. PINCKNEY HENDERSON, in fact the KATY assigned the same number and name to the car with an R behind the number to denote it was a replacement car 1202R J. PINCKNEY HENDERSON.
As demand for additional coach seating grew by the mid 1950s the KATY ordered 5 coaches and a coach buffet car from Pullman Standard who delivered the cars in July – August 1955. The new cars were assigned to the TEXAS SPECIALS and other KATY passenger services.

64-REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard July – August 1955 (Built for and assigned to TEXAS SPECIAL)

1203 GARLAND

1204 PRYOR

1205 NEW BRAUNFELS

1206 McALESTER

1207 DENTON

26 REVENUE SEAT COACH BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE CAR Pullman Standard July – August 1955 (Built for and assigned to TEXAS SPECIALS)

1301 TEMPLE

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Posted by artpeterson on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 12:59 PM
Thanks for the MKT postings, one and all! Nice shot of the streamlined obs trailing that consist, too!
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Posted by BudKarr on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 12:20 PM
Hello Captain Tom

I am in my "cheerleading" mode today . . . just have not had the free time to spend in the Ether. [tdn]

Some fine postings these past several days and I have enjoyed the information provided. Definitely believe that Santa Fe and D&H had the best looking paint schemes! [tup]

Am rather ignorant regarding the MKT - as I am with most railroads!! Anyway, it is a good educational tool and I wonder aloud how many taking advantage of all your hard work - Tom & Al - will take the time to thank you for your efforts[?] I think we already know the answer to that! <groan>

Nice photos from the past few days, Lars & Tom!

Just left a lengthy posting over at the bar for "Toy & Model Trains Day!" [tup]

BK in beautiful Alberta, Canada's high mountain country!
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 10:39 AM
G'day!


Nice foto, Lars! and of course good stuff from Al too! [tup][tup][tup]

Check this one out . . .


MKT sleeper-lounge-obs (www.trainweb.org)//



Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 8:56 AM
G'day Tom 'n Al

Here's something I found that goes along well with today's "theme!"

MKT EMD E7 #101 (courtesy: KATY RR Historical Society)



Until the next time!

Lars

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