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[siberianmo]

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PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #6

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Atlantic Coast Line (ACL)

Headquarters: Jacksonville, FL

Route mileage in 1950: 5,528

Locomotives in 1963 (all diesel-electric):

Freight: 170
Passenger: 62
Dual mode (freight/passenger): 234
Switchers: 119

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 28,847; Passenger cars – 405

Principal routes in 1950:

Richmond, VA-Tampa, FL, via Jacksonville and Orlando.
Wilson-Wilmington, NC
Wilmington-Pee Dee (Florence) SC
Winston-Salem, NC-Florence
Florence-Atlanta
Brunswick, GA-Montgomery, AL
Birmingham, AL-Waycross, GA
Albany-Dunnellon, FL
Jacksonville-St. Petersburg, FLA via Gainesville, Leesburg and Trilby
Dupont, GA-Naples, FL

Passenger trains of note:

East Coast Champion (New York-Miami)
West Coast Champion (New York-Tampa & St. Petersburg & Sarasota)
Tamiami Champion – Predecessor of East and West Coast Champions
Florida Special (New York-Miami & St. Petersburg)
Miamian (Washington-Miami)
Vacationer (New York-Miami)
Havana Special (New York-Key West, FL)
Palmetto (New York-Savannah & Augusta & Wilmington)
Everglades (New York-Jacksonville)
Gulf Coast Special (New York-Tampa & Ft. Myers & St. Petersburg; formerly Havana Special)

Of note: North of Richmond, RF&P and PRR handled passenger trains.
South of Jacksonville, FEC handled trains bound for Miami and Key West.
SAL handled trains headed for Miami south of Auburndale, FL in 1963.

Other carrier’s trains destined to Florida, such as the City of Miami – South Wind – Flamingo – Dixie Limited – Dixie Flyer – Seminole and Southland were combined with named ACL trains.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Nice Post from 20 Fingers! - back in "form"" [tup][tup]

My final contribution for the day . . . .

Frisco #2022 [(foto credit: unknown)



Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

In keeping with the Frisco theme thought I would add this.

ST. LOUIS
SAN FRANCISCO
(FRISCO)
Streammlined Observations
by Al

The StL/SF owned three lightweight streamlined Observations built by Pullman Standard and delivered in 1948.
The first of these was a 2 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet 21 seat Lounge Observation numbered and named 1350 JOSEPH PULITZER. This was actually one of a pair of identical observations delivered at the same time. The other was the M-K-T owned 1400 STEPHEN F. AUSTIN. These two cars brought up the markers of the jointly owned and operated TEXAS SPECIAL trains when they were streamlined beginning May 16, 1948 between St. Louis and San Antonio overnight. The TEXAS SPECIALS operated over the StL/SF between St. Louis and Vinita, Oklahoma and from there to San Antonio over the KATY. The TEXAS SPECIAL was discontinued on the FRISCO in January 1959 and the train thereafter became a Kansas City - San Antonio train operated by the KATY only. The FRISCO assigned the 1350 JOSEPH PULITZER to the KANSAS CITY FLORIDA SPECIAL off and on for a period after it's TEXAS SPECIAL days were over.

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 21 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard May 1948 Plan: 4121 Lot: 6769 (Built for and assigned to TEXAS SPECIAL)

StL/SF

1350 JOSEPH PULITZER

M-K-T

1400 STEPHEN F. AUSTIN

The other two lightweight streamlined Observations owned by the FRISCO were built at the same time by Pullman Standard as the 1350 JOSEPH PULITZER. These two Observations were Dining Lounge Observations and were assigned to the two consists of the FRISCO METEOR. The METEOR was the StL/SF overnight train between St. Louis - Tulsa - Oklahoma City. Later this service was extended to Lawton, Oklahoma. The two cars delivered in May 1948 to the FRISCO featured a Kitchen Pantry 24 seat Dining Room and 21 seat Lounge Observation. The two cars were numbered and named 1550 TULSA and 1551 OKLAHOMA CITY. Both cars were shopped in April 1960 and rebuilt without observation ends. A diaphragm was fitted at the former Observation end and the cars were thereafter used mid-train. Both cars were retired and sold in 1967.

KITCHEN PANTRY 24 SEAT DINING ROOM 21 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard May 1948 (Built for and assigned to METEORS)

1550 TULSA

1551 OKLAHOMA CITY

TTFN Al

[BudKarr]

G'day Captain Tom!

Just left the bar and wanted to see what the situation is like over here. A visitor with something interesting to say! Now that is promising . . . . no name or location though? Also noted, no way to communicate via email either . . . makes one wonder. But, I digress.

Nice selections for the past several Fallen Flags. Always enjoy your efforts.

I must be heading back . . . Enjoy the day 'off'!! [tup]


BK in beautiful Alberta, Canada's high mountain country!

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Nice Post from M636C whoever and where ever you are![swg] Anonymity works for some, I guess.

Anyway, your input is precisely what I had hoped would occur on this Thread way back on Page 1 - unfortuantely, far too many simply haven't participated and we may be coming to the end of the line . . . . Appreciate your thoughts.

So, this is my "day off" at the bar, as the guys are pitching in to provide me with a break. Nice, eh[?] We've got a great bunch at "Our" Place! However, we are far more interactive and inclusive than most other Threads on the Forums.

So, let's see - what's for today[?] How about another Fallen Flag [?]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #5

A Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

St. Louis-San Francisco (Frisco)



Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Route mileage in 1950: 5,100

Locomotives in 1963 (all diesel-electric):

Freight: 286
Passenger: 23
Switchers: 102

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 17,889 Passenger cars – 230

Principal routes in 1950:

St. Louis-Quanah, TX
Kansas City-Birmingham, AL via Ft. Scott, KS
St. Louis-Memphis
Amory, MS-Pensacola, FL
Monee, MO-Paris, TX
Sapulpa (Tulsa) OK-Dallas/Ft. Worth
Fort Scott-Afton, OK
Kansas City-Springfield, MO via Clinton, MO
Monett-Ellsworth, KS
Tulsa-Avard, OK
Nash, MO-Hoxie, AR

Passenger trains of note:

Black Gold (Tulsa-Fort Worth)
Firefly (Kansas City-Oklahoma City)
Kansas City-Florida Special (Kansas City-Jacksonville)
Memphian (St. Louis-Memphis)
Meteor (St. Louis-Oklahoma City & Fort Smith, AR)
Oklahoman (1st iteration) (Kansas City-Tulsa)
Oklahoman (2nd iteration, 1965-67) (St. Louis-Oklahoma City)
Southland (Kansas City & St. Louis-Atlanta & Pensacola)
Texas Special (St. Louis-San Antonio & Forth Worth)
Will Rogers (St. Louis-Oklahoma City & Wichita, KS)

Of note:
Southern Railway handled trains east of Birmingham.
MKT (Katy) handled the Texas Special between Vinita, OK and Texas destinations.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[M636C]

Arthur Dubin's "Some Classic Trains" lists a number of the CRI&P cars as being built for the proposed "Golden Rocket" train, and the SP E7s were also intended for this train. The Red and Silver colour scheme was intended for the "Golden Rocket" too, of course.

Dubin's book gives a set of plans for the "Golden Rocket" and on seeing them, I suddenly realised that a train based on the "Golden Rocket" was built in Australia, and ran as an overnight sleeping car train with leg rest coaches until last year!

In 1946, the South Australian Railways Chief Mechanical Engineer, a MR C.B. Anderson, visited the United States on a study visit, and clearly was able to obtain drawings of the "Golden Rocket" cars, which he used to build a similar train in the SAR workshops in Islington, Adelaide, South Australia. Even the same red and silver colours were used, and although the cars were shorter (75') and slightly narrower(9'9") (which made lowering the berth in the roomette with the door closed impossible except for very slim passengers!). Like the "Golden Rocket", the sleepers were "all compartment" or "all roomette", rather than the 10+6 style more common in the USA. These, built in 1949, were the first roomette cars in Australia. Two differences in the colour scheme were that the roof was black rather than red, and the fluted stainless panels between the windows and letterboard were left unpainted.

The train was called "The Overland" and ran from Melbourne to Adelaide on the 5'3" gauge until 1995 when the line and the train were converted to standard gauge. Even the SAR cab units were all painted like the SP E7s.

Sadly the train was repainted to all silver in 1995, and the sitting cars still run three days a week in each direction between Melbourne and Adelaide with the same train name.

M636C

[siberianmo]

[#welcome] Al

Great having you back at the bar and over here . . .

Apprecaite the support of this Thread and that Golden State fits right in! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Touched one of my favorite trains. So how about this.
CRI&P/SP
GOLDEN STATE
(January 4, 1948)

The Rock Island / Southern Pacific GOLDEN STATE between Chicago and Los Angeles by way of Kansas City, Tucumcari, El Paso, Tucson, Phoenix, and Yuma became streamlined and diesel powered on January 4, 1948. Never able to match the time keeping of rival Santa Fe’s SUPER CHIEF or EL CAPITAN, or Union Pacific’s CITY OF LOS ANGELES. The GOLDEN STATE route was never able to compete for speed but for direct service to Phoenix, Tucson, Yuma, or El Paso the GOLDEN STATE was the train to take. The GOLDEN STATE in spite of its slower schedule to end points than its rivals was never the less a fine train and for many years had operated as an all-Pullman train. On January 4, 1948 the GOLDEN STATE began operating on a 45-hour schedule between Chicago and Los Angeles behind diesel power and advertised as streamlined. The new Red and Silver Paint scheme was introduced at that time with the red running from roof to the bottom of the windows and Silver was the color of the lower half of the cars. Only the Southern Pacific would own diesels painted to match in the red and silver scheme but they were soon repainted in DAYLIGHT colors. All of the lightweight streamlined sleeping cars were pre-war and the rest of the cars were a mixture of streamlined and heavyweights painted to match. The trains would not be completely streamlined until 1949-50. Rock Island operated the GOLDEN STATE behind their power between Chicago and Tucumcari, New Mexico and Southern Pacific assigned their diesels from that point to Los Angeles. An exact consist of the GOLDEN GATE would be difficult to list as they were almost constantly changing. The prewar sleeping cars were of two types 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Cars owned by both the Rock Island and Southern Pacific as follows:

ROCK ISLAND

GOLDEN DESERT
GOLDEN DIAL
GOLDEN DREAM
GOLDEN FLEECE
GOLDEN HOUR
GOLDEN SUNSET
GOLDEN WEST

SOUTHERN PACIFIC
GOLDEN CAVERN
GOLDEN CRAG
GOLDEN MISSION
GOLDEN MOON
GOLDEN RIVER
GOLDEN STRAND
GOLDEN TRAIL

The other prewar sleeping cars assigned to the GOLDEN STATE train sets were 6 Section 6 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom cars again with Rock Island owning seven and the Southern Pacific owning six as follows:

ROCK ISLAND
GOLDEN BANNER
GOLDEN CHARIOT
GOLDEN DOME
GOLDEN LOCKET
GOLDEN MESA
GOLDEN PLAZA
GOLDEN TERRACE

SOUTHERN PACIFIC

GOLDEN CANYON
GOLDEN CLOUD
GOLDEN CREEK
GOLDEN PLAIN
GOLDEN SEA
GOLDEN VALLEY

Both CRI&P and SP provided 48 seat Coaches as follows:

ROCK ISLAND

339 GOLDEN HARP
340 GOLDEN FLUTE
341 GOLDEN BELL
342 GOLDEN TRUMPET
343 GOLDEN LUTE
344 GOLDEN CYMBAL
345 GOLDEN CHIME
346 GOLDEN LYRE
347 VALLE VERDE
348 VALLE VISTA
349 VALLE MAR

SOUTHERN PACIFIC

2428 GOLDEN VEIN
2430 GOLDEN SAND
2431 GOLDEN LODE
2437 GOLDEN ORE

The Rock Island also provided the following lightweight streamlined cars.

FIESTA COFFEE SHOP TAVERN CARS
410 GOLDEN
GOBLET
411 GOLDEN BOWL
412 EL CAFÉ

36 SEAT DINING CARS
425 GOLDEN
BANQUET
426 GOLDEN
REPAST
427 GOLDEN
HARVEST
428 EL COMEDOR

BAGGAGE 21 CREW DORMITORY CAR
820

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BARBER SHOP BUFFET 26 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION
478 GOLDEN VISTA
479 GOLDEN DIVAN

Where the Rock Island had completed streamlining of the GOLDEN STATE the opposite was true for the Southern Pacific only the previously listed SP cars were streamlined in time for the GOLDEN STATE streamlined inaugural. The Southern Pacific assigned heavyweight cars for their part until late 1949 when the remaining lightweight streamlined cars for GOLDEN STATE service arrived for the Southern Pacific.
By September 1950 the five train sets operating in GOLDEN STATWE service were as follows .All cars are SP unless shown (CRI&P)

CONSIST ONE
3100 Baggage 21 Crew Dormitory Car

2399 GOLDEN NUGGET 44-seat Leg-Rest Coach

2377 GOLDEN ORE 44-seat Leg-Rest Coach

10402 GOLDEN TRENCHER 32-seat Coffee Shop 14-seat Lounge Bar Car

2401 GOLDEN FLAKE 44-seat Leg-Rest Coach (Minneapolis – Kansas City – Chicago)

GOLDEN CHARIOT (CRI&P) 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Minneapolis – Kansas City – Los Angeles)

9160 GOLDEN CREEK 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (St. Louis – Kansas City – Los Angeles)

10206 GOLDEN CHALICE 36-seat Dining Car

2984 GOLDEN VIEW 39-seat Bar –Lounge Barber Shop Stewardess Room Shower Bath Car

9402 GOLDEN ORANGE 12-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9110 GOLDEN MISSION 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car (Chicago – Phoenix)

9115 GOLDEN STRAND 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car (Chicago – Tucson)

9055 GOLDEN DAWN 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car Blunt End

CONSIST TWO

6015 (CRI&P) Baggage 21-Crew Dormitory Car

342 GOLDEN TRUMPET (CRI&P) 48-seat Leg Rest Coach

343 GOLDEN LUTE (CRI&P) 48-seat Leg Rest Coach

411 GOLDEN BOWL (CRI&P) 32-seat Coffee Shop 16-seat Bar Lounge Car

344 GOLDEN CYMBAL (CRI&P) 48-seat Leg Rest Coach (Minneapolis – Kansas City – Los Angeles)

GOLDEN PLAZA (CRI&P) 6-Section 6- Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Minneapolis – Kansas City – Los Angeles

9158 GOLDEN SEA 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (St. Louis – Kansas City - Los Angeles)

426 GOLDEN REPAST 36-seat Dining Car

LA PALMA (CRI&P) 12-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

GOLDEN SUNSET (CRI&P) 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car (Chicago – Phoenix)

9113 GOLDEN MOON 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car (Chicago – Tucson)

9048 GOLDEN STAR 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

479 GOLDEN DIVAN (CRI&P) 2-Double Bedroom 1-Drawing Room Barber Shop Bar 9-seat Lounge 14-seat Lounge Observation

THIRD CONSIST

3401 Baggage 21-Crew Dormitory Car

2400 GOLDEN BAR 44-seat Leg Rest Coach

2378 GOLDEN SAND 44-seat Leg Rest Coach

10403 GOLDEN LADLE 32-Seat Coffee Shop 14-seat Lounge Bar Car

348 VALLE VISTA (CRI&P) 48-seat Leg Rest Coach (Minneapolis – Kansas City – Los Angeles)

GOLDEN DOME (CRI&P) 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Minneapolis – Kansas City – Los Angeles)

9161 GOLDEN CANYON 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (St. Louis – Kansas City – Los Angeles)

10207 GIOLDEN VIAND 36-seat Dining Car

2985 GOLDEN OUTLOOK 39-seat Bar-Lounge Barber Shop Stewardess Room Shower Bath Car

9403 GOLDEN POPPY 12-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9117 GOLDEN TRAIL 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car (Chicago – Phoenix)

9116 GOLDEN CAVERN 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car (Chicago – Tucson)

9056 GOLDEN WAVE 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car Blunt End

FOURTH CONSIST

820 (CRI&P) Baggage 21-Crew Dormitory Car

345 GOLDEN CHIME (CRI&P) 48-seat Leg Rest Coach

346 GOLDEN LYRE (CRI&P) 48-seat Leg Rest Coach

412 EL CAFÉ (CRI&P) 32-seat Coffee Shop 16-seat Bar Lounge Car

347 VALLE VERDE (CRI&P) 48-seat Coach (Minneapolis – Kansas City – Los Angeles

GOLDEN BANNER (CRI&P) 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Minneapolis – Kansas City – Los Angeles)

9159 GOLDEN PLAIN 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (St. Louis – Kansas City – Los Angeles)

428 EL COMEDOR (CRI&P) 36-seat Dining Car

LA QUINTA (CRI&P) 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Compartment Sleeping Car

GOLDEN HOUR (CRI&P) 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car (Chicago - Phoenix)

9114 GOLDEN CRAG 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car (Chicago – Tucson)

9046 GOLDEN SUN 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

480 LA MIRADA (CRI&P) 2-Double Bedroom 1-Drawing Room Barber Shop Bar 9-seat Lounge 14-seat Lounge Observation

FIFTH CONSIST

6014 (CRI&P) Baggage 21-Crew Dormitory Car

339 GOLDEN HARP (CRI&P) 48-seat Leg Rest Coach

340 GOLDEN FLUTE (CRI&P) 48-seat Leg Rest Coach

410 GOLDEN GOBLET (CRI&P) 32-seat Coffee Shop 16-seat Bar Lounge Car

341 GOLDEN BELL (CRI&P) 48-seat Leg Rest Coach (Minneapolis – Kansas City – Los Angeles)

GOLDEN LOCKET (CRI&P) 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Minneapolis – Kansas City – Los Angeles)

9157 GOLDEN VALLEY 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (St. Louis – Kansas City – Los Angeles)

425 GOLDEN BANQUET 36-seat Dining Car

LA JOLLA (CRI&P) 12-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

GOLDEN DESERT (CRI&P) 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car (Chicago – Phoenix)

9111 GOLDEN RIVER 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car (Chicago – Tucson)

9047 GOLDEN CREST 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

478 GOLDEN VISTA 2-Double Bedroom 1-Drawing Room Barber Shop Bar 9-seat Lounge 14-seat Lounge Observation



The GOLDEN STATE operated its final run March 7,1968.

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Here's something previously Posted on this Thread and over at the bar . . .

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #45

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific (Rock Island) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Now! Beat the Winter Crowds to

SUNSHINE LAND!

. . . . . . . . . . The Golden State . . . . . . . . . .
Direct – CHICAGO to LOS ANGELES

Serving El Paso, Douglas, Tucson, Phoenix and Palm Springs

A perfect travel combination for your winter holiday – luxurious Golden State streamliner via the low-altitude Golden State Route!

Here’s smooth Diesel Speed; finest of private room and sectional Pullman accommodations; latest type reclining-seat Chair Cars. Coffee-Shop-Lounge, Dining Car, Lounge Car. Through Sleeping Cars from New York and St. Louis. Extra fare – and worth it!

. . . . . THE IMPERIAL . . . Chair Cars
. . . . . and Pullmans to San Diego – Los Angeles.
. . . . . Tourist Sleepers to Los Angeles. Dining and
. . . . . Lounge Cars. No extra fare.

. . . . . . . . . . ROCK ISLAND LINES . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Road of Planned Progress . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[BudKarr]

Good Morning Captain Tom . . .

Looks pretty "normal" around here since my last visit, aside from the fact that Al is among the missing. Hope it is temporary - and yes, I received your e-mail.

Just wanted to show my "face" over here as a measure of support, then head on over to the bar. I have quite a bit to catch up on . . . .

BK in beautiful Alberta, Canada's high mountain country!

[LoveDomes]

G'day Tom!

My contribution this AM . . . .


Rock Island #1875 Quad Cities Rocket - Big Ben - (1972) (from: www.trainweb.org - photo: John Kuehl)


See ya over at the bar![tup]


Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #4


Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific (The Rock Island)



Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage in 1950: 7,579

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel – 539

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 26,690; Passenger cars – 646

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Omaha, NE
Omaha-Colorado Springs & Denver, CO
Davenport, IA-Tucumcari, NM
Bureau Junction-Peoria, IL
Minneapolis, MN-Kansas City, MO
Manly-Burlington, IA
Cedar Rapids (Vinton), IA-Sioux Falls, SD
Keokuk, IA-Bear Lake, SD
Tucumcari-Memphis, TN
Herington, KS-Houston, TX
Little Rock, AR-Eunice, LA
Kansas City-St. Louis

Passenger trains of note:

Choctaw Rocket (Amarillo, TX-Memphis)
Corn Belt Rocket (Chicago-Omaha)
Des Moines Rocket (Chicago-Des Moines, IA)
Golden State (Chicago-LA; joint ops w/SP)
The Imperial (Chicago-LA)
Kansas City Rocket (Minneapolis-Kansas City)
Peoria Rockets (Chicago-Peoria)
Texas Rocket (Ft. Worth-Houston; then Kansas City-Dallas)
Twin Star Rocket (Minneapolis-Houston)
Quad City Rocket (Chicago-Rock Island)
Rocky Mountain Rocket (Chicago-Colorado Springs & Denver)
Zephyr Rocket (Minneapolis-St. Louis; joint ops w/CB&Q)

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[siberianmo]

G"day!

My final for the day . . . .


WP VO-1000 #581 (1945) (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hiya Tom!

Just dropping by to help keep this thread 'alive' for ya . . .

My contribution B4 heading over to the bar . . .

WP #881 Silver Chalet (from: www.trainweb.org)



Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Some from the WP . . .

WP FP7A #805A (1999) (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #3

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Western Pacific (WP)

Headquarters: San Francisco, CA

Route mileage in 1950: 1,137

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel - 174

Rolling stock in 1950: Freight cars – 5,532; Passenger cars – 29

Principal routes in 1950 (not including subsidies):

Oakland-Stockton-Sacramento, CA-Salt Lake City, UT
Keddie-Bieber, CA
Reno Junction-Reno, NV
Niles-San Jose, CA

Passenger trains of note:

California Zephyr (Chicago-Oakland)
Exposition Flyer (Chicago – Oakland)
Feather River Express (Oakland-Portola, CA)
Royal Gorge (Oakland-St. Louis, MO)
Scenic Limited (Oakland-St. Louis)
Zephyrette (Oakland-Salt Lake City) [RDC’s!]

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[siberianmo]

Hello!

Jan Suggest you take a look at Southern Pacific Daylight, vol I by Richard Wright. Unfortunately this book is rather expensive - check out: http://www.railwayshop.com/train-books.shtml

Another URL that may help is: http://www.csrmf.org/store/default.asp?parentid=4

By the by, my knowledge base is rather limited, especially when there are so many who seemingly know it all![swg]

For "anonymous" (nothing in profile) - those MoPac name trains are from the 1950s . . .

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[JanOlov]

You people of unlimited knowledge...
What book(s) would you recommend if you want to read more about the Southern Pacific's Daylight trains? I love the one I have about the Hiawatha by Jim Scribbins, is there any book as good as that one?

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure what timeframe you are working from with your lists of notable passenger trains but:

For Missouri Pacific, the Sunshine Special was the leader of the fleet from 1915 until after WWII when the Texas Eagles were introduced (originally to be the Sunshine Eagle but renamed when National Railways of Mexico failed to buy streamlined equipment for through service to Mexico City. The Sunshine Eagle provided service to Houston (and possibly through to the Rio Grande Valley and Galveston), and to Dallas-Fort Worth and El Paso with through cars to Los Angeles via SP west of El Paso (just like the Texas Eagle in the 1950s).

MoPac also operated the City of Mexico for a few years providing a weekly through train from St. Louis to Mexico City.

For a year or two the Pennsylvania also operated a Sunshine Special with through cars for the Missouri Pacific. It was eventually renamed the Penn Texas. Before it was renamed, through cars for Frisco bound for the Meteor and the Texas Special operated on the American east of St. Louis.

The heavyweight predecessor to the Colorado Eagle was the Scenic Limited which provided service to Denver and through service, via Rio Grande and WP, to Oakland.

Before the Depression, the SP operated the Padre, an all-Pullman overnight train from Los Angeles to Oakland via the Coast Line and San Jose.

The SP, in conjunction with UP and CNW also operated the Forty-Niner and the Treasure Island Special between Chicago and Oakland for a year or two (1939-1940?). I think each train operated one day a week providing extra capacity in connection with some sort of exposition on Treasure Island in San Francisco Bay (the same exposition that inspired the Exposition Flyer on the Burlington-Rio Grande-WP route, the California Zephyr's predecessor). There were also the Atlantic and Pacific (Limited?), which were maids-of-all-work, and the San Francisco Challenger, which was replaced after WWII with the Gold Coast.

In addition to the LA to Oakland Owl, SP (on subsidiary Texas and New Orleans) operated an Owl between Houston and Dallas.

The Shasta name predated the introduction of the Shasta Daylight in the late 1940s. Before the Depression (possibly before streamlining after WWII), the most important train on the Oakland to Portland run was the Shasta Express (I think ... maybe Shasta Limited). Other trains on this route were the Beaver (coach-tourist train until the Cascade got coaches) and the Klamath (another maid-of-all-work).

[LoveDomes]

Hiya Tom

Really weird at this thread - but, I'll do my part as long as you're here![swg]


Missouri Pacific #891 Colorado Eagle (from: www.trainweb.com)



Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Some nostalgia from MoPac . . .

MP Magazine (1952) (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Passenger RR Fallen Flag #2

Well, apparently the Fallen Flags idea has struck a chord ... so here's another from Classic American Railroads:

Missouri Pacific (MoPAC)

Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Route mileage in 1950: 9,700

Locomotive fleet in 1963: Diesel: 724

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 44.923 Passenger cars: 533

Principal lines in 1950:

St. Louis-Sedalia-Kansas City, MO-Omaha, NE
Jefferson City-Boonville-Kansas City
St. Joseph, MO-Stockton, KS
Kansas City-Pueblo, CO
Osawatomie, KS-Wagoner, OK-North Little Rock, AR
Pleasant Hill, MO-Wichita-Geneseo, KS
Fort Scott-Larned, KS
Rich Hill-Joplin, MO
Carthage, MO-Diaz, AR
St. Louis-Little Rock, AR-Texarkana, TX
East St. Louis, IL-Poplar Bluff, MO
Bismark, MO-Salem, IL
Bald Knob, AR-Memphis, TN
Little Rock-McGehee, AR-Lake Charles, LA
Memphis-McGehee
McGehee-Vidalia, LA
Pine Bluff-Hot Springs, AR
Gurdon, AR-Clayton, LA
Longview-Laredo, TX
Palestine-Galveston, TX
Brownsville, TX-Baton Rouge, LA-New Orleans
New Orleans-Donaldson-Alexandria, LA
Forth Worth-Spring (Houston), TX
San Antonio-Corpus Christi, TX
El Paso-Longview, TX-Livonia, LA-New Orleans (T&P)
Fort Worth, TX-Cypress, LA, via Texarkana & Marthaville, LA (T&P)
Texarkana-Longview (T&P)

Passenger Trains:

Aztec Eagle (San Antonio-Mexico City)
Colorado Eagle (St, Louis-Denver)
Houstonian (New Orleans-Houston)
Louisiana Sunshine Special (Little Rock-Lake Charles)
Missouri River Eagle (St. Louis-Omaha)
Missourian (St. Louis-Kansas City and Wichita)
Orleanean (Houston-New Orleans)
Ozarker (St. Louis-Little Rock)
Pioneer (Houston-Brownsville)
Rainbow Special (Kansas City-Little Rock)
Royal Gorge (Kansas City-Pueblo)
Southerner (St. Louis-El Paso & San Antonio & New Orleans)
Southern Scenic (Kansas City-Memphis)
Sunflower (St. Louis-Kansas City & Wichita)
Sunshine Special (St. Louis-Hot Springs & San Antonio)
Texan (St. Louis-Fort Worth
Texas Eagle (No. 1 & 2: St. Louis-El Paso, TX)
Texas Eagle (No. 21 & 22: St. Louis-Houston & San Antonio)
Valley Eagle (Houston-Brownsville)

Of note: National Railways of Mexico operated the Aztec Eagle between Nuevo Laredo-Mexico City.
T&P operated the El Paso trains out of Texarkana and handled Texarkana-Longview trains.
Denver trains out of Pueblo were operated by D&RGW.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[LoveDomes]

Hiya Tom

I'm here, mate - you aren't all alone after all![swg]

My contribution . . .


SP #2954 Parlor obs (from: LA River RR)


See ya at the bar . . .

Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Hmmmmmmm . . .

SP Golden State in Palm Springs (1948) (fair use)



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Still no takers[?] Okay . . .


SP City of San Francisco in Wyoming (1948) (fair use)



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

No takers[?] Try this . . . .


SP Golden State in New Mexico (1947) (fair use)



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! - ENCORE! - ENCORE! - ENCORE!

Passenger RR Fallen Flag #1

A good time to Post a bit of info regarding a Passenger RR Fallen Flag - The Southern Pacific (SP) : (from: Classic American Railroads)

Headquarters: San Francisco, CA

Mileage:

1950: 15,039 (including subsidiary St. Louis-Southwestern)
1955: 178,340 (including subsidiaries, SW, SPCSL, and D&RGW)

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 2,096

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars 77,401 - Passenger cars: 1,002

Principal lines as of 1950:

Los Angeles-San Francisco via San Jose
San Jose-Ogden, Utah
Davis, CA-Portland, OR, via Chemult and Eugene, OR
Eugene-Black Butte via Roseburg, OR
Sacramento-Burbank (LA) via Bakersfield
Lathrop-Martinez, CA
LA-New Orleans via Phoenix, AZ
El Paso, TX-Tucumcari, NM
Galveston-Dallas/Denison, TX via Houston and Hearne
Rosenburg-Brownsville, TX
San Antonio-Corpus Christi, TX
Houston-Shreveport, LA
St. Louis-Dallas/Ft. Worth (SSW)
Memphis, TN-Brinkley, AR
Mt. Pleasant-Waco, TX (SSW)
Lewisville, AK-Shreveport, LA (SSW)

Principal added lines as of 1996:

Tucumcari-St. Louis via Kansas City
St. Louis-Chicago via Bloomington, IL
Kansas City-Chicago via Quincy, IL (trackage rights on BNSF)
Kansas City-Chicago via Ft. Madison, IA (trackage rights on BNSF)
Ogden-Pueblo, CO via Salt Lake City, UT and Salida, CO
Dotsero-Pueblo, CO via Grandby and Denver
Pueblo-Kansas City via Salinas, KS (trackage rights on UP)

Notable passenger trains:

Argonault (LA-New Orleans)
Cascade (Oakland-Portland)
City of San Francisco (Oakland-Chicago via Ogden; joint with UP and C&NW) – Milwaukee Road after 1955)
Coast Daylight (San Francisco-LA via San Luis Obispo; for a time also known as Morning Daylight)
Del Monte (San Francisco-Monterey, CA)
Golden State Limited (LA-Chicago via Tucumcari; joint with Rock Island)
Hustler (Houston-Dallas)
Imperial (LA-Chicago via Tucumcari; joint with Rock Island)
Lark (Oakland/San Francisco-LA via San Luis Obispo)
Owl (San Francisco-LA via Bakersfield)
Sacramento Daylight (Sacramento-LA via Bakersfield)
San Francisco Overland (Until Oct 1955, Oakland-Chicago via Ogden; joint with UP and C&NW; after 1955 Oakland-St. Louis joint with the Wabash Railroad)
San Joaquin Daylight (Oakland-LA via Bakersfield)
Shasta Daylight (Oakland-Portland)
Starlight (San Francisco-LA)
Sunbeam (Houston-Dallas)
Sunset Limited (Initially San Francisco-New Orleans via San Joaquin Valley; later cut back to LA-New Orleans).

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


ENCORE! - ENCORE! - ENCORE! - ENCORE!

[siberianmo]

G'day!


Now THIS is something to dream about!


VIA Rail #8708 Kootenay Park (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Okay - one more time . . .


DRGW #1145 Silver Sky California Zephyr (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)



Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hiya Tom!


Here's a dome from my post over at the bar . . . .



A dome car owned by the Santa Fe Railroad in the 1950s. (from: www.trainweb.com)


Until the next time!

Lars