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[siberianmo]

G'day!

One more GN . . . .

GN Empire Builder (1938) (fair use)


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Hey Art ! Doing a little detective work that the train was all streamlined except for the RPO only one train it could be in April 1952 the West Coast Champion.

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

Hey Art!

Nicely done!! [tup] Great looking loco and consist - love the livery . . .

Would love to use that Pix over at the bar next time we do a feature on SCL/ACL/SAL . . .

On a different note: You may want to check out "Our" Place on Sunday - for I'm going to Post the final Pix from our recently concluded Rendezvous in Toronto - there will be quite a few of interest to you and all other traction fans.

These Pix will not appear on this Thread.

Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[artpeterson]

This relates to a topic of the day several weeks' back, but I thought you'd enjoy it nonetheless! Wilbourne Cox, who took the photo, was a photographer by trade and one of the founding members of CERA. He did not identify the specific train, but the photo was taken at Winter Park in April of 1952.

Enjoy!

P.S.: Tom, thanks much for your guidance RE:photobucket!

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Another Pix to enjoy! [tup]

GN Empire Builder (1958) (www.trainweb.com)


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

GREAT
NORTHERN
Streamlined Sleeping Cars
By Al

The Great Northern Railway received its first streamlined sleeping cars beginning in December 1946 for America's first new full service streamliner following WW II the EMPIRE BUILDER.
Each of the five new EMPIRE BUILDER streamliners was twelve cars in length between Chicago and Spokane. The sleeping car section of the new EMPIRE BUILDERS comprised five cars, two PASS series 4 Section 8 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars. Two GLACIER series 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars and One RIVER series 2 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet 20 seat Lounge Observation. The new EMPIRE BUILDER was inaugurated February 23,1947 between Chicago and the Pacific Northwest. The inaugural train departing from St. Paul consisted of the following cars and power. The train had departed from Chicago earlier that day behind Burlington power.

500 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

501 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1100 30' Railway Post Office Baggage Car

1110 60 Revenue Seat Coach

1120 48 revenue Seat Leg rest Coach

1121 48 revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1122 48 Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach
(Chicago - Portland)

1140 WATERTON LAKE 10 Seat lounge 10 Seat Lunch Counter 19 Crew Dormitory Car

1150 LAKE SUPERIOR 36 Seat Dining Car

1160 GUNSIGHT PASS 4 Section 8 Duplex roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1170 BLACKFOOT GLACIER 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1171 AHERN GLACIER 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1161 PTARMIGAN PASS 4 Section 8 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Chicago - Portland)

1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER 2 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet 16 Seat Lounge 11 Seat Lounge Observation

The above cars marked as (Chicago - Portland cars were forwarded to and from Portland by the SP&S Railway from Spokane. All other cars were Chicago - Seattle cars.

4 SECTION 8 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEEPING CARS Pullman Standard December 1946 - January 1947 Plan: 4107 Lot: 6751 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

GN

1160 GUNSIGHT PASS

1161 PTARMIGAN PASS

1162 DAWSON PASS

1163 PIEGAN PASS

1164 LOGAN PASS

1165 TRIPLE DIVIDE PASS

1166 LINCOLN PASS

1169 SWIFT CURRENT PASS

CB&Q

1167 CUT BANK PASS

1168 RED GAP PASS

16 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard January - February 1947 Plan: 4108 Lot: 6751 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

GN

1170 BLACKFOOT GLACIER

1171 AHERN GLACIER

1172 GRINNELL GLACIER

1173 HANGING GLACIER

1174 MANY GLACIER

1175 OBERLIN GLACIER

1176 SEXTON GLACIER

1177 HARRISON GLACIER

CB&Q

1178 SPERRY GLACIER

1179 SIYEH GLACIER

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE 11 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard January - February 1947 Plan: 4109 Lot: 6751 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

GN

1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER

1191 MISSOURI RIVER

1192 FLATHEAD RIVER

1193 KOOTENAI RIVER

CB&Q

1194 MARIAS RIVER

In January 1950 two additional PASS series sleeping cars were delivered for EMPIRE BUILDER service. One of these cars was owned by the GN the other was owned by SP&S.

4 SECTION 8 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard January 1950 Plan: 4107 Lot 6883 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

GN

1180 STEVENS PASS

4 SECTION 8 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard January 1950 Plan: 4107 Lot: 6828 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

SP&S

700 INDIAN PASS

The above two cars were actually the first of eleven new lightweight stream-lined cars built in anticipation of all new 15 Car EMPIRE BUILDERS to be inaugurated June 3, 1951. These eleven new sleeping cars were for the older EMPIRE BUILDERS to create a sixth consist. This would permit the six sets of the first streamlined EMPIRE BUILDERS to become the new WESTERN STAR another Chicago - Pacific Northwest Streamliner operating on a slower schedule to replace the heavyweight ORIENTAL LIMITED. Pullman Standard delivered eight GLACIER series sleeping cars in December 1950. The new WESTERN STAR trains would leave the mainline westbound at Havre, Montana and run southwest to Great Falls Montana. The train would then depart Great Falls in a northerly direction and rejoin the mainline at Shelby Montana. The GN would operate three of the new GLACIER series cars as dedicated St. Paul - Great Falls Sleeping cars 1181 KINTLA GLACIER, 1182 AGASSIZ GLACIER, and 1183 HUDSON GLACIER. The new WESTERN STAR would become the train of Glacier National Park, as it would serve the park both eastbound and westbound in daylight hours. The WESTERN STAR would carry many extra Pullman-sleeping cars in the summer months from tour operators and railroad charters to and from the magnificent Glacier National Park. Many of these foreign sleeping cars running to the park would be set out at Glacier and serve as sleeping quarters for the passengers visiting the park. Later these sleeping cars would be picked up by the WESTERN STAR at Glacier or in many cases the cars may have been moved to Belton where they were picked up. Belton was the west entrance to Glacier National Park and Glacier was the east entrance to Glacier National Park with both entrances on the GN mainline over Marias Pass just 57 miles apart. For a number of years the WESTERN STAR carried extra sleeping cars to and from Glacier National Park that originated in both the east and west so there was Pullman Sleeping cars traveling in the WESTERN STAR in both directions. Those Glacier National Park bound cars that originated in California generally departed in the WESTERN STAR from Spokane while if the tour included time in Seattle the cars departed from Seattle.
In addition to dedicated GLACIER series sleeping cars between St. Paul and Great Falls the WESTERN STAR also carried overnight GLACIER series sleeping cars between Spokane and Seattle in each direction. The two cars designated as Spokane - Seattle sleeping cars were 1184 CHANEY GLACIER and 1185 PARADISE GLACIER. All of the additional GLACIER series sleeping cars and the one additional RIVER series Sleeper Lounge Observation were GN owned. The new WESTERN STAR was inaugurated on June 3, 1951.

16 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard December 1950 Plan: 4108A Lot: 6890 (Built for and assigned to WESTERN STAR)

GN

1181 KINTLA GLACIER

1182 AGASSIZ GLACIER

1183 HUDSON GLACIER
(St. Paul - Great Falls)

1184 CHANEY GLACIER

1185 PARADISE GLACIER
(Seattle - Spokane)

1186 PUMPELLY GLACIER

1187 TAHOMA GLACIER

1188 TWO OCEAN GLACIER

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE 11 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Pullman Standard December 1950 Plan: 4109A Lot: 6878 (Built for and assigned to WESTERN STAR)

GN

1197 PRIEST RIVER

The new fifteen car Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDERS entered service June 3, 1951 between Chicago and Seattle - Portland. Each of the new Mid-Century Empire Builders was made up of cars from Pullman Standard and American Car & Foundry. The latter Company built the Baggage 60' Railway post Office cars, Baggage Crew Dormitory Cars, 60 Revenue seat Short trip Coaches, all feature cars (Diners and Lounges). Pullman Standard built the new 48 revenue seat leg rest Coaches, The PASS and RIVER series sleeping cars. The new EMPIRE BUILDERS were powered by EMD 3 unit sets of F units with 4,500 hp total. A typical EMPIRE BUILDER is listed below.

37 Baggage 60' Railway Post Office Car

1200 Baggage 25 Crew Dormitory Car

1210 60 Revenue Seat Short Trip Coach

1215 48 Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1216 48 Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1217 48 Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach
(Chicago - Portland)

1240 G-N Ranch 14 Seat Lunch Counter 12 Seat Dining 18 Seat Lounge Car

1260 SKYKOMISH RIVER 4 Section 1 Compartment 7 Duplex Roomette 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1370 ROGERS PASS 6 Roomettes 5 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment Sleeping Car
(Chicago - Portland)

1261 SUN RIVER 4 Sections 1 Compartment 7 Duplex Roomette 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Chicago - Portland)

1250 LAKE OF THE ISLES 36 Seat Dining Car

1262 SNOHOMISH RIVER 4 Section 1 Compartment 7 Duplex Roomette 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1371 PITAMAKIN PASS 6 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment Sleeping Car

1372 AKAMINA PASS 6 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment Sleeping Car

1290 APPEKUNNY MOUNTAIN 2 Roomette Buffet Lounge High Windowed Lounge Observation

There were actually three Roomettes in the MOUNTAIN series Observations. One of these was a Crew Roomette with fewer amenities than the other two; this was for the Lounge car attendant. The other two standard Roomettes were not sold to the public but one was for the Pullman Conductor, the other for the GN onboard Passenger Service Representative.

4 SECTION 1 COMPARTMENT 7 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 3 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard November - December 1950 Plan: 4181 Lot: 6889 (Built for and assigned to MID-CENTURY EMPIRE BUILDER)
GN

1260 SKYKOMISH RIVER

1261 SUN RIVER

1262 SNOHOMISH RIVER

1263 MILK RIVER

1264 BAD AXE RIVER

1265 CHUMSTICK RIVER

1266 SHEYENNE RIVER

1267 SKAGIT RIVER

1268 MOUSE RIVER

1269 POPLAR RIVER

1270 TOBACCO RIVER

1271 FRASER RIVER

1272 SPOKANE RIVER

1273 PEND ORIELLE RIVER

1274 BOIS DE SIOUX RIVER

SP&S

702 SNAKE RIVER

6 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM 2 COMPARTMENT SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard October - November 1950 Plan: 4180 Lot: 6877 (Built for and assigned to MID-CENTURY EMPIRE BUILDER)

GN

1370 ROGERS PASS

1371 PITAMAKIN PASS

1372 AKAMINA PASS

1373 SANTIAM PASS

1374 PARK CREEK PASS

1375 JEFFERSON PASS

1376 HART PASS

1377 STATE PASS

1378 FIREBRAND PASS

1379 BIG HORN PASS
1380 SUIATTLE PASS

1381 HAINES PASS

1382 BLEWETT PASS

1383 INUYA PASS

1384 LEWIS AND CLARK PASS

SP&S

701 WAPINITIA PASS

Six of the Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDER Sleeping Cars were transferred to CB&Q ownership in September 1953 with no change of number or names.

CB&Q

1266 SHEYENNE RIVER originally GN 1266 SHEYENNE RIVER

1269 POPLAR RIVER originally GN 1269 POPLAR RIVER

1273 PEND ORIELLE RIVER originally GN 1273 PEND ORIELLE RIVER

1371 PITAMAKIN PASS originally GN 1371 PITAMAKIN PASS

1378 FIREBRAND PASS originally GN 1378 FIREBRAND PASS

1382 BLEWETT PASS originally GN 1382 BLEWETT PASS

Between April and August 1955 the GN cycled each of the RIVER series Sleeper Lounge Observations assigned to the WESTERN STAR through Pullman Calumet shops to rebuild the interiors. Originally built as 2 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet 20 Seat Lounge Observations the cars returned to GN with 4 Double Bedrooms 1 Compartment 6 Roomettes and 9 seat Lounge Observation. The car names were changed from RIVER series cars to COULEE series cars at that time. When the COULEE series cars were returned to the GN they were assigned to the Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDER to give that train more sleeping car capacity. The MOUNTAIN series cars the GN built for the Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDER were then assigned to the WESTERN STAR. The COULEE series Sleeper Lounge Observations are the only streamlined Observations operated by any railroad with Roomettes. The MOUNTAIN series Observations Roomettes were not sold as revenue space until years later in the combined WESTERN STAR/ FAST MAIL. The new Pullman Plan for the COULEE series Sleeper Lounge Observations was 4109K.

1190 CHOUTEAU COULEE rebuilt April 1955 from 1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER

1191 TWELVE MILE COULEE rebuilt June 1955 from 1191 MISSOURI RIVER

1192 CORRAL COULEE rebuilt August 1955 from 1192 FLATHEAD RIVER

1193 ROCKY COULEE rebuilt May 1955 from 1193 KOOTENAI RIVER

CB&Q 1194 TRAIL COULEE rebuilt July 1955 from CB&Q 1194 MARIAS RIVER

1197 GRAND COULEE rebuilt June 1955 from 1197 PRIEST RIVER

Burlington owned PASS series sleeping car 1168 RED GAP PASS was transferred to GN ownership in June 1955. At that time the WESTERN STAR began operating with one less PASS series sleeping cars in each consist between Chicago and Seattle.
The six surplus PASS series sleeping cars were than assigned to a pool for the WESTERN STAR in summer season and the WINNIPEG LIMITED at other times of the year.
In 1956 GN returned GLACIER series Sleeping cars 1175 OBERLIN GLACIER and 1177 HARRISON GLACIER to Pullman Calumet for remodeling for WINNIPEG LIMITED service. The two GLACIER series cars originally built with 16 Duplex Roomettes and 4 Double Bedrooms returned from Pullman as Plan 4108K 8 Duplex Roomette 2 Double Bedroom Buffet 12 Seat Dinette 12 Seat Lounge Cars with new names and numbers as follows.

1198 MANITOBA CLUB originally 1175 OBERLIN GLACIER

1199 WINNIPEG CLUB originally 1177 HARRISON GLACIER

The two new CLUB series cars were assigned to the WINNIPEG LIMITED. At that time the WINNIPEG LIMITED consists were carrying one GLACIER, one PASS, and one of the CLUB series cars in each consist.
The Great Northern was in a unique situation not enjoyed by many railroads in the early 1960's having first class revenues more than holding there own. The GN sleeping cars were traveling full in the summer seasons and not doing to badly in the winters. But 1962 stretched the railroad's passenger capacity to the limit. It was that summer of 1962 that Seattle had its first World's Fair and passenger volume soared to record levels for the duration of the fair. The one problem discovered during the fair was that the GN had a shortage of Double Bedroom capacity in the EMPIRE BUILDER consists. GN began to sense reluctance on many passengers' parts to book upper or lower section space. Maybe it was due to the lack of privacy offered by these accommodations that left these spaces as the very last to be booked after everything else was full. The GN decided to rebuild five of the EMPIRE BUILDER RIVER series Sleeping cars to increase Room space. The cars were returned to Pullman Calumet and emerged as Plan: 4181A cars. Built originally as Plan: 4181 4 Section 1 Compartment 7 Duplex Roomette 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars. After conversion the cars were 7 Duplex Roomette 1 Compartment 7 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars. The five cars rebuilt to this configuration in 1963 were 1260 SKYKOMISH RIVER, 1262 SNOHOMISH RIVER, 1263 MILK RIVER, 1264 BAD AXE RIVER and 1274 BOIS DE SIOUX RIVER. After the conversion the cars were assigned to through Chicago - Seattle service in the EMPIRE BUILDER.
Beginning in 1959 the Sleeping car space in the WESTERN STAR was sold at Coach fare plus a room charge in order to answer the NORTH COAST LIMITED Slumbercoach service. The GN only offered the service in the WESTERN STAR and it was a real bargain when one remembers that a typical Slumbercoach was set up for forty passengers. The GLACIER series sleeping cars were 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom cars with much more spacious accommodation for 24 passengers.
The Great Northern only operated lightweight streamlined sleeping cars in the EMPIRE BUILDER, WESTERN STAR and WINNIPEG LIMITED.

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #9

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check these combined-advertisements out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

Great Northern(GN)


GREAT NORTHERN Empire Builder-Western Star-Newest and Best to the Pacific Northwest

DIESEL AND ELECTRIC PASSENGER LOCOMOTIVES BETWEEN CHICAGO, ST. PAUL, MINNEPOLIS AND SEATTLE-PORTLAND.

THE EMPIRE BUILDER
CHICAGO, ST. PAUL, MINNEAPOLIS, SPOKANE, SEATTLE AND PORLAND with Direct Connections to and from TACOMA, BRITISH COLUMBIA AND CALIFORNIA

NO EXTRA FARE. ALL ACCOMMODATIONS RESERVED.

MODERN STREAMLINED EQUIPMENT.

Coach.
Great Dome Reclining Seat Coaches.
Ranch-Lounge.
Diner.
Sleepers.

Great Dome Luxurious Full Length Dome Lounge with colorful beverage lounge in lower section.

Note: specifics regarding car #, between and accommodations have been omitted.


GREAT NORTHERN Direct Route to Glacier National Park in Montana Rockies.

THE WESTERN STAR
CHICAGO, ST. PAUL, MINNEAPOLIS, GREAT FALLS, GLACIER PARK, SPOKANE, SEATTLE AND PORTLAND via St. Cloud with Direct Connections to and from TACOMA, BRITISH COLUMBIA AND CALIFORNIA and Direct Connections at GREAT FALLS and from HELENA AND BUTTE

MODERN STREAMLINED EQUIPMENT.

Reclining Seat Coach.
Day-Nite Reclining Seat Coaches.
Dining Car.
Coffee Shop Car.
Pullman Sleeping Cars.

Observation-Lounge.

Note: specifics regarding car #, between and accommodations have been omitted.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[siberianmo]

G'day!

And now . . . . another GN dome!


GN #1325 in Seattle (1972) (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[artpeterson]

Hi all -

Thanks for the thoughts on "photobucket", etc., will give that a try!

Nice to see the GN Big Sky Blue dome in Chicago, too bad no "L" train in the view at that moment; not always easy to get all the elements to come together....

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Appreciate the cotninuing support over here, Rob! [tup]

Responded to your Email Art - thanx! [tup]

Let's continue with the Great Northern . . . . .

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #8

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this advertisement out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

Great Northern(GN)


Great Way To CALIFORNIA via the Pacific Northwest

Chicago-Minneapolis-St. Paul-Spokane-Seattle & Portland-San Francisco-Los Angeles

TOWERING PEAKS in Glacier National Park in the Montana Rockies.

LOFTY MT. RAINIER looks over Seattle and Tacoma.

GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE is only one of the fascinating sights awaiting travelers in San Francisco.

Rail Fare to San Francisco is no more on Great Northern’s incomparable Great Dome EMPIRE BUILDER

To delight travel-experienced patrons who are planning a fall trip to California, suggest that they route themselves via the Pacific Northwest.

Great Northern’s EMPIRE BUILDER, now with Great Domes for both coach and Pullman passengers, takes the northern route across the nation - - more than two thousand miles of truly superb scenery.

Your patrons will thank you for sending them on a route where they can see the Mississippi River Palisades, Glacier National Park, the Rocky Mountains of Montana and Idaho. the Cascades of Washington and Oregon.

Connections with fine trains to and from California in Seattle or Portland. Rail fare from Chicago to San Francisco is no more via Great Northern.

For information:
P. G. Holmes
Passenger Traffic Manager
Great Northern Railway
St. Paul 1, Minnesota


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[trolleyboy]

Nice shots Tom, loved that interurban locomotive. I'll convert you yet [;)]I see good ole 20 fingers has come out of hiding with a couploe great GN posts as well Good stuff[tup]Can't wait to see his new book thouhg once it's done.

Art most of the guys used ti use railimages for picture posting, however theyn are in the process of cahnaging over their system again so a photobucket account will likely be speedier and less grey hair causing at the moment. I have the shots I've been posting with both and don't generally have a preference one to the other,both will get the job done for you and both are free.

A couple more nice old wooden interurban shots for you these ones are MS&C


MS&C freight motor # 305

MS&C sweeper

enjoy Rob

[passengerfan]

I like GN so will add one more post.

GREAT
NORTHERN
Streamlined Head End Cars
by Al

Northern most of the transcontinental railways in the United States the Great Northern route brought with it large amounts of Mail, Express, and Storage Mail shipments.
Following WW II the GN inaugurated the first all new transcontinental streamliner the EMPIRE BUILDER between Chicago and Seattle – Portland on February 23, 1947. Each twelve car consist carried a single head end car and this car was a 30’ Railway Post Office Baggage Car operating between Chicago – Seattle. These cars as was the entire train painted in the new Omaha Orange, Pullman Green, with Dulux Gold separation stripes and lettering EMPIRE BUILDER centered in the letter board. The five cars were numbered GN 1100 – 1103 and CB&Q 1104. Since this was the first car in each EMPIRE BUILDER consist the RPO end was not equipped with an end door or diaphragm and the paint was carried across the end.

30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE BAGGAGE CARS Pullman Standard January 1947 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER)

GN

1100 – 1103

CB&Q

1104

The GN shops rebuilt four heavyweight Baggage Express cars into semi-streamlined Baggage – Express cars in 1947 in Company Shops. These four cars 262-265 were except for the six wheel trucks fully streamlined. These cars were initially assigned to the BADGER – GOPHER and WINNIPEG LIMITED becoming the first streamlined cars in those trains and also the first cars operating in those trains painted in the new GN colors.
In 1948 the GN shops built seven-streamlined Baggage – Express cars in two lots 266-269 delivered in December 1947 – January 1948 and 270 – 272 delivered in December 1948. The 271 was assigned to one of the inaugural BADGER – GOPHER train sets. The GN shops also built a single 30’ Railway Post Office Car number 1108 assigned as a spare to the EMPIRE BUILDER in December 1948.

BAGGAGE EXPRESS STORAGE MAIL CARS GN Shops December 1947 – January 1948 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE initially)

266 – 269

BAGGAGE EXPRESS STORAGE MAIL CARS GN Shops December 1948 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE initially)

270 –272

The Great Northern received three 30’ Railway Post Office Baggage Cars 1105 - 1107 from American Car & Foundry in January 1950. These three were part of three five-car streamliners built for daytime service. Two of the cars 1105 and 1106 along with the rest of the cars built for the two five car streamlined INTERNATIONALS entered three time daily round trip service between Seattle and Vancouver, B.C. The new trains were an instant success entering service on June 18, 1950. The third 30’ Railway Post Office Baggage Car 1107 entered service in a new five-car streamliner the Red RIVER between Grand Forks and St. Paul daily round trip. This new schedule was inaugurated June 25, 1950.

30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE BAGGAGE CARS American Car & Foundry May 1950 (Built for and assigned to INTERNASTIONALS and RED RIVER)

1105 – 1107

In October 1950 the GN received six 60’ Railway Post Office Storage Mail Cars from American Car & Foundry 37 - 42 all painted and lettered for the EMPIRE BUILDER. These cars were not for assignment to the EMPIRE BUILDER that was already in service but were the first cars delivered for the new MID-CENTURY EMPIRE BUILDER to be inaugurated June 3, 1951. The new EMPIRE BUILDERS would be fifteen car streamliners with initially two head end cars the 60’ Railway Post office Storage Mail car mentioned above and a Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory Car. The six Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory Cars 1200 – 1205 were delivered by American Car & Foundry in May 1951 just in time for the MID CENTURY EMPIRE BUILDER inaugural.

60’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE STORAGE MAIL CARS American Car & Foundry October 1950 (Built for and assigned to the MID-CENTURY EMPIRE BUILDER)

37 – 42

BAGGAGE 22 CREW DORMITORY CARS American Car & Foundry May, 1951 (Built for and assigned to the MID – CENTURY EMPIRE BUILDER)

1200 – 1205

The GN shops built four Baggage Express Storage Mail Cars in September – October 1950 numbered 273 – 276. These cars were assigned to General Service at that time.

BAGGAGE EXPRESS STORAGE MAIL CARS GN Shops September – October 1950 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL SERVICE initially)

273 – 276

In June 1953 the ownership of CB&Q 1104 was transferred to the GN. This car along with 1100 – 1103 and 1108 had been operating in the WESTERN STAR since the MID CENTURY EMPIRE BUILDER had entered service June 3, 1951. This cars ownership was transferred, as the 30’ Railway Post Office Car in the WESTERN STAR no longer operated east of St. Paul over the CB&Q except in the summer and Christmas season. In September of 1953 the GN transferred ownership of 60’ Railway Post Office Storage Mail Car 41 and Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory 1202 to CB&Q ownership as we; as other MID – CENTURY EMPIRE BUILDER cars.
In 1955 the GN changed the name-boards to read EMPIRE BUILDER in Baggage Express Storage Mail Cars 262-276. The reason for the change was that the EMPIRE BUILDER began operating west of St. Paul with a Storage Mail Car to Spokane. The cars originated in Chicago and traveled to St. Paul in the Milwaukee Road PIONEER LIMITED. Since the GN did not want foreign cars breaking up the GN colors of the EMPIRE BUILDER the GN supplied all of the cars for the service.
In September 1964 the GN acquired two 60’ Railway Post Office storage Mail cars used from the C&NW numbered 8225 and 8226. These cars were repainted for service in the EMPIRE BUILDER and renumbered 43 and 44.
In March 1965 the GN purchased three Baggage Cars used from the Chicago Great Western Railway the only three lightweight streamlined cars ever purchased new by the CGW. The three cars CGW 80 – 82 were repainted and renumbered GN 277 – 279 for assignment to the EMPIRE BUILDER as Storage Mail cars between St. Paul and Spokane.
In January 1967 the GN shops rebuilt WESTERN STAR 30’ Railway Post Office Car Baggage Car 1102 into a 60’ Railway Post Office Storage Mail car for assignment to the EMPIRE BUILDER renumbering the car 45.
Finally in December 1967 the GN shops remodeled WESTERN STAR 30’ Railway Post Office Car 1101 into Storage – Mail Car and reassigned the car to the EMPIRE BUILDER with the new number 280.
The Great Northern streamlined several heavyweight 30’ Railway Post office Baggage Cars in there own shops but the exact dates these particular cars were streamlined is unknown. The following cars are known to have been streamlined 87, 94-97.
TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Another Pix for the GN . . . .

GN Dome Coach (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

If you haven't got message yet I am trying to work on my new book and this distracrtion keeps popping up. Oh well!

Great
Northern
(GN)
Streamlined Dome Cars
by Al

The Great Northern was the last of the northern transcontinental railways to add domes to their premier train between Chicago and Seattle-Portland. The first of the northwest roads to add domes to their premier train was the Milwaukee Road who added Super Domes to the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA beginning in December 1952. The next of the northwest trains to add domes was the NP NORTH COAST LIMITED with a pair of dome coaches added to each consist in August 1954 and a pair of dome sleeping cars added in November 1954 between Chicago and Pasco. The UP would have three Domes operating in each CITY OF PORTLAND train set by May 1955. One each of Astra-Dome Coach, Astra-Dome Dining Car and Astra-Dome Lounge Observation in each train set between Chicago and Portland. Even the CP CANADIAN was operating domes a month before the GN received the first of their domes in May 1955.
The GN EMPIRE BUILDER would be the first and only train in the US prior to Auto-Train to operate both short domes and a full-length dome in the same consist. When the GN went with domes they spared no expense beginning in May 1955 when three short dome leg rest coaches were added to each of the EMPIRE BUILDERS five consists. Two of the Great Dome coaches were through Chicago – Seattle cars while the third was a Chicago – Portland car operating between Spokane and Portland over the SP&S who would own one of the Great Dome coaches built for the EMPIRE BUILDER by Budd. The CB&Q who operated the EMPIRE BUILDER between Chicago and St. Paul owned three of these Budd built Great domes.
These Coach Domes built for the EMPIRE BUILDER were flat sided cars from Budd as were those built the year before for the NP NORTH COAST LIMITED. The cars were painted in the Omaha Orange, Pullman Green paint scheme with dulux gold separation stripes and lettering. They were an immediate hit with the traveling public. These were the standard 46 leg-rest seat cars with 24 non-revenue seats in the domes built by Budd for overnight train service.
In October 1955 the EMPIRE BUILDER received its full-length dome lounge cars for the exclusive use of the trains Pullman passengers. The VIEW series cars seated 75 on the dome level (25 seat pairs 7 single seats and 18 lounge seats). Beneath the dome was a 32-seat lounge with a bar open to Pullman passengers only. The VIEW series car was train-lined directly behind the 36-seat Dining car ahead of the trailing sleeping cars. The Great Dome Lounge cars operated between Chicago and Seattle. The GN purchased six VIEW series cars one was owned by the CB&Q for EMPIRE BUILDER service. Each eastbound EMPIRE BUILDER had a replenished 36-seat dining car; G-N Ranch car and VIEW series Great Dome replace the arriving cars from Seattle in St. Paul before continuing the trip to Chicago. The EMPIRE BUILDER Great Dome Lounge, G-N Ranch Car and Diner operated a round trip from St. Paul – Chicago – Seattle – St. Paul before being changed out. Additional bar supplies were available enroute but commissary stores for the diner and Ranch car were rarely added anywhere but Seattle.
In the late 1960’s when traffic slowed on the EMPIRE BUILDER the GN assigned one Great Dome coach to each WESTERN STAR consist between St. Paul and Seattle. Since the cars of the WESTERN STAR operated overnight between Chicago and St. Paul combined with the CB&Q BLACKHAWK and NP MAINSTREETER it was not necessary to operate the domes over this part of the trip. The GN WESTERN STAR, NP MAINSTREETER, and CB&Q BLACKHAWK operated combined eastbound and westbound overnight between St. Paul and Chicago.

24-SEAT GREAT DOME 46-SEAT LEG-REST COACHES Budd Company May 1955 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER)

GN

1320-1331

SP&S

1332

CB&Q

1333-1335

VIEW SERIES 75 SEAT FULL DOME LOUNGE CARS WITH BAR AND 32 SEAT LOUNGE BENEATH DOME Budd October 1955 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER)

GN

1390 GLACIER VIEW

1391 OCEAN VIEW

1392 MOUNTAIN VIEW

1393 LAKE VIEW

1394 PRAIRIE VIEW

CB&Q

1395 RIVER VIEW

All GN domes were transferred to BN ownership in the 1970 merger.

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Oh what the heck . . . . check this one out!


GN #1320 in Shelby, MT (1967)(courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


Enjoy! [tup]


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Thought for sure that 20 Fingers would've picked up on the GN by now . . .

Check this out . . . .

GN #1331 (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Hi Art

Glad you like the way we do "business" here! [swg]

Regarding Pix . . . here's what I know:

Kalmbach does not provide a storage for Pix or capability for them to be imported from your c: drive. Therefore you would need one of the many free sites out there to provide that capability. PhotoBucket (www.photobucket.com) comes to mind as one of the more user friendly sites where your Pix can reside.

The way it works is to upload your photo from your c: drive (My pictures, etc.) to the album you create on PhotoBucket. Once that is done, then you may download it directly to this and any other Forum.

In order for the Pix to be displayed, you must copy the URL provided for that Pix on PhotoBucket. Right click on your PhotoBucket Pix - go to "properties" and find the URL. Then copy it (CTRL C). Next go to the "Message block" here on the Thread - and paste your URL. (CTRL V).

Finally, in order for the Pix to show up, you must use brackets [ ] around the lower case letters img at the beginning of the URL and [] with /img at the end. (I can't show you directly here, because the program is designed to read those brackets and img as a Pix and not narrative.)

Any further questions - drop me an Email . . .

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[artpeterson]

Thanks Tom! Some great photos - my compliments especially on that earlier one of the SP&S articulated - a gorgeous shot! The SC&P locos you posted look a lot like the ex-CLS&SB units (predecessor to the South Shore Line). I know that some of them went to the SC&P, while the GTW-St. Clair Tunnel operation also got at least one ex-CLS&SB unit.

Must photos being imported to the forums come off the internet, or can I import them from my c: drive? Reason I ask is that this restriction is what was stated on one of the other forums a few weeks back. Would like to be able to share a few with you guys, since you've all been so generous in illustrating past topics.

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Check these out for the SC&P under GN ownership . . . .


Spokane, Coeur d'Alene & Palouse Locomotives 706 & 702 at Spokane Shops
(courtesy: Museum of the Rockies - foto: Ron Nixon)


Enjoy! [tup]


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[artpeterson]

And in the context of traction, there was GN's ownership of the SC&P (AKA "Inland Empire"), which like OE had open-platform observation cars, though no sleeper service. Amusing to see a wood-bodied RPO-baggage interurban motor lettered for "Great Northen."

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #25

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Great Northern(GN)


Headquarters: St. Paul, MN

Mileage:

1950: 8,220

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 642

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 39,055
Passenger cars: 579

Principal routes in 1950:

St. Paul, MN-Seattle, WA via Willmar, MN and New Rockford, ND
Minneapolis-Minot, ND via St. Cloud, MN, Fargo and Grand Forks, ND
Superior, WI & Duluth, MN-Grand Forks via Crookston, MN
Minneapolis & St. Paul-Duluth & Superior via Brook Park, MN
Barnesville, MN-Winnipeg, MB via Ada and Crookston, MN
Portland, OR-Vancouver, BC via Seattle, WA (trackage rights on NP Portland-Seattle)
Willmar-Sioux Falls, SD & Sioux City, IA
Havre-Great Falls-Helena-Butte, MT
Shelby-Great Falls-Billings, MT
Bend, OR-Bieber, CA via Klamath Falls, OR

Passenger trains of note:

Badger (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Superior-Duluth)
Cascadian (Seattle-Spokane, WA)
Dakotan (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Williston, ND)
Empire Builder (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S)
Gopher (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Superior-Duluth)
International (Seattle-Vancouver, BC)
Oriental Limited (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S)
Red River (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Grand Forks, ND)
Western Star (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S)
Winnipeg Limited (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Winnipeg


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[passengerfan]

Here's my NP contribution this AM

NORTHERN
PACIFIC
Streamlined Head End Cars
by Al

The name train of the Northern Pacific Railway was the NORTH COAST LIMITED and it would be September of 1948 before this train would become fully streamlined with six sets of equipment between Chicago and Seattle – Portland. Each consist of the NORTH COAST LIMITED operated with a pair of Head End cars a Water Baggage and a 30’ Railway Post Office 22 Crew Dormitory Car.
The Water – Baggage Cars were unique to the Northern Pacific as they carried 3,000 gallons of water in tanks at the forward end to supply additional water for the steam generators located in the diesel units. This was especially useful in the bad water district of the western Dakotas and eastern Montana where steam locomotives operated with very large capacity water tanks and even then good water was brought by tank car to the water towers located in this area of the railroad. These six cars NP 400 – 405 were delivered in 1946 – 1947 by Pullman Standard. Since additional water other than that carried by the CB&Q E units in charge of the NORTH COAST LIMITED between there and Chicago the tanks were generally empty for this part of the trip. The 30’ Railway Post Office 22 Crew Dormitory Cars 425 – 430 were delivered over the same time period and operated directly behind the Water Baggage Cars in the NORTH COAST LIMITED consists.

3,000 GALLON WATER BAGGAGE CARS Pullman Standard October 1946 – July 1947 (Built for and assigned to NORTH COAST LIMITED)

400 – 405

30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE 22 CREW DORMITORY CARS Pullman Standard October 1946 – July 1947 (Built for and assigned to NORTH COAST LIMITED)

425 – 430

In April – May 1956 Pullman Standard delivered ten lightweight streamlined Baggage Cars to the NP numbers 200 – 209. An additional ten arrived from Pullman Standard numbered 210 – 219 in August – September 1957. In June – July 1958 Pullman Standard delivered ten more numbers 220 – 229.

BAGGAGE CARS Pullman Standard April – May 1956 (Built for and assigned to General Service

200 – 209

BAGGAGE CARS Pullman Standard August – September 1956 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

210 – 219

BAGGAGE CARS Pullman Standard June – July 1958 (Built for and assigned to General service)

220 – 229

During the Seattle Worlds Fair in 1962 the NP suffered two accidents with NORTH COAST LIMITED trains in each incident damage was severe to Water Baggage cars and the NP was forced to stop for additional water along the way with these two consists. The NP placed tank cars of water at certain station stops to refill the small water tanks the diesels were equipped with until the two NORTH COAST LIMITED Water Baggage cars were returned to service. Beginning in October, 1962 the NP rebuilt two standard streamlined Baggage Cars 208 and 209 into Water Baggage Cars by adding three thousand gallon water tanks at one end and equipping the cars with the transfer lines to the diesel units ahead. After conversion to Water Baggage Cars the cars were numbered 406 and 407 respectively.
In December 1963 Pullman Standard delivered ten additional Baggage Cars to the Northern Pacific numbers 230 – 239.
One final lot of ten streamlined Baggage Cars came from St. Louis Car in November – December 1965 numbers 250 – 259. All of these cars like the previous Baggage Cars were assigned to General service.

BAGGAGE CARS Pullman Standard December 1963 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

230 – 239

BAGGAGE CARS St. Louis Car Company November – December 1965 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

250 – 259

In October and November 1965 the NP shops converted two additional Baggage Cars 210 and 218 into Water Baggage Cars 408 and 409.
A year later in September 1966 Baggage Car 211 was rebuilt to Water Baggage car 410 and in March 1967 one final baggage car 222 was rebuilt to a water Baggage Car and numbered 222. By this time the NP NORTH COAST LIMITED and MAINSTREETER were both equipped with Water Baggage Cars between St. Paul and Seattle and in the case of the NORTH COAST LIMITED the cars actually operated Seattle - Chicago.

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

And finally to cap of the Northern Pacific RR here's the finale!

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #24

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Northern Pacific (NP)


Headquarters: St. Paul, MN

Mileage in 1950: 6,682

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesels: 662

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 34,200
Passenger cars: 359

Principal routes in 1950:

Minneapolis/St. Paul-Fargo, ND-Butte, MT-Tacoma, WA
Logan-Helena-Garrison, MT
Portland, OR-Sumas, WA
Minneapolis/St. Paul-Duluth, MN
Staples, MN-Ashland, WI
Little Falls-International Falls, MN
Manitoba Junction-Crookston, MN-Winnipeg, MB
Wadena, MN-Leeds, ND

Passenger trains of note:

Alaskan (Minneapolis/St. Paul-Portland via Helena)
Mainstreeter (Chicago-Helena-Seattle & Portland)
North Coast Limited (Chicago-Butte-Seattle & Portland)

Of note: CB&Q handled passenger trains between Chicago and St. Paul. SP&S handled trains between Pasco and Portland.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[trolleyboy]

Hey Tom a couple nice steam shots to wind out the day. who says photo's of the SP&S were hard to find eh [?] And Al a veritable "book" of info sir [;)] gotta like it. makes my humble additions to this thread pale by comparasin.Still good to see a healthy exchange of info over here as well. [tup]

Rob

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Another surprise!

SP&S - 2-8-2 #366 Mikado
(courtesy: www.yesteryeardepot.com - foto: Fred C. Stoes)



Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

One more post for the SP&S.

SPOKANE
PORTLAND
&
SEATTLE
Streamlined Head End Cars
by Al

The SP&S owned a total of three streamlined head end cars two of these were purchased new and the third was purchased used.
The first streamlined head end car purchased was the Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory car 75 from Pullman Standard in January 1950. This car when delivered to the SP&S was painted in EMPIRE BUILDER colors and operated between Portland and Spokane as the Portland connection with the GN EMPIRE BUILDER. The crews were based out of Portland and since the eastbound and westbound sections of the EMPIRE BUILDER departed Spokane in the late night and early morning hours it was necessary to provide dormitory space for the round trip. Eastbound they served Dinner and westbound they served Breakfast. Even though the crew Dormitory space was for twelve the train never carried more than nine crew members until after July 1953 when the Dining Parlor car 405 was rebuilt to a 48 seat Dining car, thus the increase in crew Dormitory requirements for the larger capacity Dining car crew.

BAGGAGE 12 CREW DORMITORY CARS Pullman Standard June 1950 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER Portland connection)

75

In January 1961 the SP&S received a Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car from St. Louis car Company painted in the roads own colors. This car 31 was assigned to operate in the EMPIRE BUILDER – NORTH COAST LIMITED connecting service to and from Portland. The connections with the EMPIRE BUILDER took place at Spokane and the connections with the NORTH COAST LIMITED took place at Pasco.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CAR St. Louis Car Company January 1961 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER – NORTH COAST LIMITED connecting trains)

31

A used head end car arrived on the SP&S in April 1966 the former M-K-T owned TEXAS SPECIAL Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car 1000 ANSON B. JONES. After repainting the car was numbered SP&S 32 and assigned to the Portland – Spokane STREAMLINER making connections with the GN WESTERN STAR and NP MAINSTREETER.

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

G'day!


Surprise, surprise - found something!

SP&S - 4-6-6-4 #911 Challenger
(courtesy: www.yesteryeardepot.com - foto: Paul L. Eilenberger)


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

SPOKANE
PORTLAND
&
SEATTLE
Streamlined Coaches
by Al

The SP&S was jointly owned by the Great Northern and Northern Pacific and provided these roads with direct access to Portland from the east. The SP&S was always known as the Northwest’s own Railway and referred to as the North Bank Road. This was due to there operating along the north bank of the Columbia River between Vancouver, Washington and Pasco. Rival Union Pacific operated along the south bank of the same river.
The first streamlined coaches to operate over the SP&S were Great Northern streamlined coaches 938-949 of 1937. One of these coaches was a through Chicago-Seattle car in each Great Northern EMPIRE BUILDER the other was a through Chicago – Portland 58 revenue seat Coach and it operated between Spokane and Portland over the SP&S. These were the only prewar streamlined coaches operated by the SP&S.
When the Great Northern completely streamlined the EMPIRE BUILDER beginning February 27, 1947 they continued the practice of splitting west bound trains at Spokane with a Coach and Sleeping car destined for Portland traveling over the SP&S. The 1947 Coaches were 48 revenue seat leg rest Coaches.
One year later in 1948 the SP&S began forwarding streamlined cars for the NP from their Chicago - Seattle streamliner the NORTH COAST LIMITED between Pasco and Portland. The SP&S actually owned one 56-revenue seat leg rest streamlined coach for operation in the NORTH COAST LIMITED number 300. The car was painted in the NORTH COAST LIMITED color scheme and carried the name NORTH COAST LIMITED in the center of the letter board, with small lettering near the ends of the letter board stating SP&S owned this car.

56-REVENUE SEAT LEG REST COACH Pullman Standard October 1946 – July 1947 (Built for and assigned to NORTH COAST LIMITED)

300

The SP&S placed orders with Pullman Standard for their own streamlined cars in 1948 but they did not arrive until 1950.
The first cars to arrive were five 64-revenue seat Coaches 301-305 delivered by Pullman Standard in January 1950 painted in Pullman green and yellow the SP&S colors. The new cars were assigned to all trains between Portland and Spokane.
The SP&S received two 6-Roomette 3-Double Bedroom Buffet 25-seat Lounge cars 600-MOUNT HOOD and 601-MOUNT ST. HELENS were delivered to the SP&S painted in EMPIRE BUILDER Omaha Orange and Pullman Green with dulux gold separation stripes and lettering. These two cars arrived on the SP&S in February 1950 and operated between Spokane and Portland connecting with the EMPIRE BUILDER in the former city.
A single 48-revenue seat leg-rest coach 350 was delivered to the SP&S in February 1950 painted in GN colors as well.
Two more new cars arrived in June 1950 both painted in GN colors Baggage 12-Crew Dormitory Car 75 and a 32-seat dining 16-seat Parlor car number 405.
In what must be one of the shortest periods of new car ownership the SP&S 64-revenue seat Coach 301 received from Pullman Standard in January 1950? This car was sold to parent GN in October of the same year and remodeled by the GN into a 48-revenue seat Leg Rest Coach renumbered 1135 after repainting GN colors. This car was for assignment to the new GN WESTERN STAR the second streamlined train operated by the GN between Chicago and the Pacific Northwest with SP&S again forwarding cars to and from Spokane to Portland.

64-REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard January 1950 (Built for and assigned to general service)

301 – 305

48-REVENUE SEAT LEG-REST COACH Pullman Standard February 1950 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER connection)

350

In July 1952 the GN purchased SP&S 350 and renumbered the car 1232 then assigned the car to the EMPIRE BUILDER.
In July 1954 the ownership of SP&S 300 was transferred to the NP and the car was renumbered NP 597.
In that same month the SP&S received a new Budd built Vista Dome 46 revenue seat leg rest Coach with 24 non-revenue seats in the dome numbered 559 for operation between Portland and Chicago in the NORTH COAST LIMITED. This car was delivered painted in the new Raymond Loewy paint scheme of two-tone green with white separation stripe.
The final new car delivered to the SP&S was another 46-revenue seat Dome Coach painted and lettered for service in the GN EMPIRE BUILDER. This car was referred to as a Great Dome on the GN and was numbered 1332 when it arrived from Budd in May 1955.

24-SEAT VISTA DOME 46-REVENUE SEAT LEG REST COACH Budd Company July – August 1954 (Built for and assigned to NORTH COAST LIMITED)

559

24-SEAT GREAT DOME 46-REVENUE SEAT LEG REST COACH Budd Company May 1955 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER)

1332

The SP&S purchased two used streamlined 56-revenue seat coaches and one streamlined 26-revenue seat Coach 25-seat Lounge buffet car from the MKT in August 1967; this latter car was rebuilt to a 60-revenue seat Coach before entering SP&S service. These cars were built originally for the MKT for service in the TEXAS SPECIAL.

56-REVENUE SEAT COACHES

307 originally MKT 1200 EDWARD BURLESON

308 originally MKT 1201 DAVID G. BURNETT

60-REVENUE SEAT COACH

309 originally MKT 1301 TEMPLE

TTFN Al

[trolleyboy]

Here's the other two best shots of that Charter as well.these will be some of the 18 cars that were recently refurbished and put back into service.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Hey Tom too bad that the photo didn't capture one of the famous SP&S Alco's pulling the train. The SP&S was a die hard Alco company [tup]
Here's acouple shots from the 1993 SEPTA charter, Heather and the gang from the musuem took just prior to the discontinuance of the line ( since partially reopenned )





Rob