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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 7:50 AM
ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #34

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Wabash (WRR)



Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Mileage in 1950: 2,393

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 319

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 14,240
Passenger cars: 126

Principal routes in 1950:

Buffalo, NY-Detroit, MI-Fort Wayne, IN-Decatur, IL-Springfield, IL-Moberly, MO-Kansas City, MO
Chicago-Decatur-St. Louis (followed Buffalo-KC Line Bement-Decatur)
St. Louis-Moberly, MO-Des Moines, IA
Brunswick, MO-Council Bluffs, IA
Toledo, OH-Chicago
Bluffs, IL-Keokuk, IA

Passenger trains of note:

Banner Blue (Chicago-St. Louis)
Blue Bird Chicago-St. Louis)
City of Kansas City (St. Louis-Kansas City)
City of St. Louis (St. Louis-Denver-Cheyenne-Los Angeles)
Des Moines Limited (St. Louis-Des Moines)
Detroit Arrow (Chicago-Detroit)
Detroit Limited (St. Louis-Detroit)
Kansas City Express (St. Louis-Kansas City)
Midnight Limited (St. Louis-Kansas City)
Omaha Limited (St. Louis-Omaha)
Pacific Coast Special (St. Louis-Pacific Coast points)
Red Bird (Chicago-Detroit)
St. Louis Limited (Detroit-St. Louis)
St. Louis Limited (Des Moines & Omaha-St. Louis)
St. Louis Special (Kansas City-St. Louis)
The Midnight (Chicago-St. Louis)
“Wabash Cannon Ball” (St. Louis-Detroit)

Of note: Chicago-Detroit service by PRR between Chicago-Fort Wayne; through trains west of Kansas City handled by UP

WABASH CANNONBALL
(unknown author & date)

From the great Atlantic ocean to the wide Pacific shore
From the green ol' Smoky mountains to the south lands by the shore She's mighty tall and handsome and she's known quite well by all
She's the regular combination on the Wabash Cannonball
Listen to the jingle, the rumble and the roar
As she glides along the woodland through the hills and by the shore
Hear the mighty rush of the engine, hear the lonesome hoboes call
You're traveling through the jungles on the Wabash Cannonball
Our eastern states are dandy, so the people always say
From New York to St. Louis with Chicago by the way
From the hills of Minnesota where the rippling waters fall
No changes can be taken on the Wabash Cannonball
Now here's to Daddy Claxton, may his name forever stand
And always be remembered through the courts throughout the land
His earthly race is over, now the curtains round him fall
He’ll be carried home to Glory on the Wabash Cannonball!

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:48 PM
G'day!

A final shot of the KCS FP9A #34 . . . .




Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:16 PM
G'day!

Thanx for the input Al 'n Lars!

Check out this Pix I took last year while at KCity's Union Station:




Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by LoveDomes on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:21 PM
Hiya Tom

Another doozy of a road to find info on! <groan> [swg]

I see 20 Fingers hasn't had a problem! <grin> Hey! How come you aren't showing up at the bar [?] [?] The "theme" over there shouldn't be a problem for YOU! Anyway, you can always "throw something" into the mix - others do it all the time! [swg]

Here's my meager contribution:

QUOTE: History
Arthur Stilwell began construction on the first line of what would become the Kansas City Southern Railway in 1887, in suburban Kansas City, Missouri. Over the ensuing decade the line grew through construction and acquisitions to become a through route between Kansas City and Port Arthur, Texas, with the final spike being driven north of Beaumont, Texas, on September 11, 1897. Another mainline between Dallas, Texas and New Orleans, Louisiana, via Shreveport, Louisiana, was added through merger with the Louisiana and Arkansas Railway during the 1930s. From 1940 to 1969, Kansas City Southern operated the Southern Belle passenger train between Kansas City and New Orleans.

The core KCS system remained essentially the same until the 1990s, when the purchase of the MidSouth Rail Corporation extended KCS' reach eastward from Shreveport and into Mississippi and Alabama. This acquisition, combined with existing KCS routes, created a key east-west mainline marketed as the Meridian Speedway (named for the town of Meridian, Mississippi). An additional acquisition, the Gateway Western Railway, extended KCS' reach from Kansas City to St. Louis, Missouri and into Illinois.

The 1990s also saw KCS extend its reach into Mexico, with the acquisition of partial interests in the Texas Mexican Railway and Grupo Transportación Ferroviaria Mexicana. In 2005, KCS was successful in acquiring a controlling interest in both roads.

A parent company of the Kansas City Southern Railway was organized in 1962 as Kansas City Southern Industries, Inc. In 2002 the name of the parent company was shortened to Kansas City Southern.

from wikipedia.com



Until the next time!


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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:04 PM
KANSAS CITY
SOUTHERN
Streamlined Sleeping Cars
by Al

The KCS owned a total of thirteen semi-streamlined or fully streamlined sleeping cars.
On September 2, 1940 the Kansas City Southern inaugurated the SOUTHERN BELLE between Kansas City and New Orleans by way of Shreveport. When inaugurated the new diesel powered trains required three sets of equipment to maintain daily service in both directions. A sample consist of the SOUTHERN BELLE follows as inaugurated.

21 EMC E3A 2,000 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

64 Baggage 30' Railway Post Office 9 Crew Dormitory Car

235 JOPLIN 74 Revenue Seat Divided Coach

237 ALEXANDRIA 74 Revenue Seat Divided Coach (New Orleans - Shreveport)

SILOAM SPRINGS
Semi-Streamlined Heavyweight 10 Section 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (New Orleans - Shreveport)

KANSAS CITY 2-Day Room Stand Up Lunch Counter 24 seat Dining 17 seat Parlor Lounge Observation

The SOUTHERN BELL began service providing sleeping car service only between New Orleans and Shreveport as this was the overnight part of the run in both directions. The first two semi streamlined heavyweight 10 Section 3 Double Bedroom sleeping cars for the inaugural of the SOUTHERN BELLE were SILOAM SPRINGS rebuilt from 12-1 McBURNEY and SULPHUR SPRINGS rebuilt from 12-1 McLARTY. Both of these cars were rebuilt and semi-streamlined by Pullman Calumet in July 1940.
In February 1941 a third 12-1 was rebuilt and semi-streamlined by Pullman Calumet for SOUTHERN BELLE service emerging as a 10 Section 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car. This car originally McALISTERVILLE was renamed BARKSDALE after rebuilding for KCS service. With the addition of BARKSDALE sleeping car service was extended to Kansas City from New Orleans.
In April 1941 two more semi-streamlined heavyweight sleeping cars arrived from rebuilding at Pullman Calumet to 10 Section 3 double Bedroom Sleeping cars with the names STATE CAPITAL and MENA. These were originally heavyweight 12-1 sleeping cars McELHERAN and McKULLO respectively. This gave the SOUTHERN BELLE one sleeping cars for Kansas City - New Orleans service daily in each direction with another added to both the northbound and southbound consist between Shreveport and New Orleans.
After the Second World War the KCS undertook a major rebuilding of their track, signals and physical plant. The result of this was that when new postwar SOUTHERN BELLES entered service in January 1949 only two sets of equipment were necessary to maintain daily service. The KCS purchased eight new lightweight streamlined 14 roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from Pullman Standard that were delivered in May - June 1948. These cars were assigned two to each consist of the new SOUTHERN BELLES. One was a through Kansas City - New Orleans Sleeper the other was a Kansas City - Port Arthur, Texas Sleeping car that traveled between Kansas City and Shreveport in the SOUTHERN BELLE. Numbered KCS trains 101 and 102 carried the Port Arthur - Kansas City Sleeping cars on the six-hour trip between Port Arthur and Shreveport.
Another set of trains assigned a pair of the new 14-4 sleeping cars were 9-10 the nameless Kansas City - New Orleans counterpart to the SOUTHERN BELLE. Numbers 9-10 operated on the prewar schedule of the SOUTHERN BELLE and only carried Sleeping cars initially between New Orleans and Shreveport overnight. The two remaining sleeping cars were assigned to a joint MP-KCS operation between Texarkana and Hot Springs on the MP and Kansas City and Texarkana on KCS 9-10.
When KCS discontinued 101 and 102 between Port Arthur and Shreveport 9-10 received through sleeping cars between New Orleans and Kansas City. Two of these 14-4 sleeping cars went to Amtrak three others went to the Long Island and three went to the NdeM.

14 ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard May - June 1948 Plan: 4153 Lot: 6795 (Built for and assigned to KCS services described above)

ARTHUR STILLWELL

COLONEL FORDYCE

HARVEY COUCH

JOB EDSON

LEONOR LOREE

STUART KNOTT

WILLIAM BUCHANAN

WILLIAM EDENBORN

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:08 AM
ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #33

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Kansas City Southern (KCS)



Headquarters: Kansas City, MO

Mileage:

1950: 962
2000: 2,995

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 121

Rolling stock in1963:

Freight cars; 581
Passenger cars: 22

Principal routes in 1950:

Kansas City, MO-Shreveport, LA-Port Arthur, TX
Dallas, TX-Shreveport-New Orleans, LA
Minden-Alexander, LA

Passenger trains of note:

Flying Crow (Kansas City-New Orleans & Port Arthur)
Shreveporter (Hope-Shreveport)
Southern Belle (Kansas City-New Orleans & Port Arthur)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, June 12, 2006 4:27 PM
NEW YORK
CHICAGO
&
ST. LOUIS
(NICKEL PLATE)
Streamlined Sleeping Cars
by Al

The first lightweight streamlined Sleeping cars operated on the NKP were a pair of Pullman Pool service 18 roomette cars ROOMETTE I and ROOMETTE II. These two cars were assigned to overnight Chicago - Cleveland service in the NICKEL PLATE LIMITED with the new names MOSES CLEAVELAND and ROBERT DE LA SALLE respectively. In 1945 these cars ownership was transferred to the NKP and the cars remained in NICKEL PLATE LIMITED service until January 1950. At that time the cars were transferred to overnight St. Louis - Cleveland service in unnamed 9-10. With the change the cars were repainted Blue and Silver to match the new 10-6 sleeping cars then arriving and renamed once again. MOSES CLEVELAND was renamed COTY OF COLDWATER and ROBERT DE LA SALLE received the new name CITY OF ST. MARYS. The two cars eventually were transferred back to the NICKEL PLATE LIMITED and ran out there days in that train before retirement in July 1961after that date they became stationary Crew Dormitory cars. The two cars were scrapped in 1968 at Decatur, Ill.

18 ROOMETTE SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard August 1937 Plan: 4068 Lot: 6494 (Built for Pullman Pool as experimental car introducing the Roomette)

215 CITY OF ST. MARYS ex MOSES CLEVELAND originally ROOMETTE I

18 ROOMETTE SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard December 1938 Plan: 4068G Lot: 6556 (Built for Pullman Pool from blank car body built in 1937)

216 CITY OF COLDWATER ex ROBERT DE LA SALLE originally ROOMETTE II

The NKP received new 10-6 Sleeping cars in 1950 built by Pullman Standard almost identical to those built for the C&O with the Bedrooms located in the center of the cars and five Roomettes located at each end. The NKP was closely associated with the C&O at the time the cars were ordered. The thirteen cars were delivered in January and February 1950. The first 10-6 sleeping cars delivered were assigned to the NICKEL PLATE LIMITED between Chicago - Cleveland, Chicago - Buffalo and in partnership with the DL&W there were through 10-6 sleeping cars between Chicago and Hoboken. In addition the new 10-6 sleeping cars were assigned to the NEW YORKER and its westbound counterpart the WESTERNER with sleeping cars between Chicago and Hoboken again in partnership with the DL&W both roads supplying 10-6 sleeping cars for this service. Unnamed 9-10 the St. Louis - Cleveland trains were the last to receive the 10-6 sleeping cars with each consist receiving a single car operating with the 18 Roomette cars until they were returned to the NICKEL PLATE LIMITED later in 1950. Beginning September 25, 1954 the NICKEL PLATE LIMITED trains were renamed the CITY OF CLEVELAND and CITY OF CHICAGO but continued to operate to and from Buffalo with through sleeping cars beyond to and from Hoboken. The through sleeping car service beyond Buffalo ended in 1958. After the merger of the Erie and DL&W October 17, 1960 forming the E-L the WESTERNER and NEW YORKER only carried through sleeping cars between Hoboken and Cleveland after August 4, 1962. The NKP/DL&W route between Chicago and Hoboken was 920 miles only thirteen miles greater than the PRR route and over forty miles shorter than the NYC route.
Over on the St. Louis - Cleveland route the unnamed trains 9-10 received names beginning October 28, 1956 westbound was named the BLUE ARROW and its eastbound counterpart was named the BLUE DART. The westbound BLU ARROW made its final run March 13, 1959 and the following day the eastbound BLUE DART made its final run. The CITY OF CLEVELAND and CITY OF CHICAGO lasted until after the N&W merger October 16, 1964 not being discontinued until September 10, 1965. All of the 10-6 Sleeping cars were sold to other railroads with eight going to the IC and five going to the CN. Both roads stripped the fluted stainless panels from the cars and repainted them in their own color schemes.
Besides the new 10-6 Sleeping cars received in 1950 the NKP received two 5 Double Bedroom 3 crew Dormitory Kitchen 18 seat dining 4 Seat Lounge cars numbered and named 150 CITY OF CLEVELAND and 151 CITY OF CHICAGO. These two cars operated in overnight service between their namesake cities. They served as lounges at night and served breakfast in the morning before arrival in the opposite terminals.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard January - February 1950 Plan: 4167A Lot: 6866 (Built for and assigned to NKP passenger trains)

200 CITY OF BUFFALO

201 CITY OF ST. LOUIS

202 CITY OF LORAIN

203 CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS

204 CITY OF PAINESVILLE

205 CITY OF ERIE

206 CITY OF TOLEDO

207 CITY OF PEORIA

208 CITY OF KOKOMO

209 CITY OF MUNCIE

210 CITY OF FINDLAY

211 CITY OF LIMA

212 CITY OF FT. WAYNE

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM 3 CREW DORMITORY BUFFET KITCHEN 18 SEAT DINETTE 4 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard May 1950 Plan: 4169 Lot: 6867 (Built for and assigned to NICKEL PLATE LIMITED)

150 CITY OF CLEVELAND

151 CITY OF CHICAGO

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Posted by LoveDomes on Monday, June 12, 2006 3:25 PM
Hiya Cap'n Tom

Man oh man have I ever had a difficult time finding any Nickel Plate Road diesel pix that aren't copyrighted, protected, prohibited, etc. for further posting. I don't like being a JO about things like this, but never for the life of me can understand how one can provide pix here in the Ether, then expect them to be "protected." In my case, it's a matter of personal honor. But I'll bet there are plenty of JOs out there who could care less.

Just popped in to see what's going on - and aside from your great stuff this PM, not much else, huh [?] Good to see 20 Fingers made it in earlier . . .


Until the next time! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, June 12, 2006 1:40 PM
G'day!

A bit of insight regarding the Nickel Plate Road



QUOTE: Main Line Nickel Plate

It is said that the New York, Chicago & St. Louis Railroad Company was probably the only railroad in the United States built for cash in advance of the issue of stocks and bonds. The subscribers to the founding syndicate agreed to furni***he money in ten percent calls as fast as required. It was February 1881, that a party of aggressive men met in the office of George I. Seney, President of the Metropolitan National Bank of New York City. Among those in attendance was Columbus R. Cummings of Chicago, the first NKP president, Walston H. Brown, Calvin S. Brice, General San Thomas, and John G. Kennaday, who formed what was known to be the financial world as the Seney Syndicate. Later, others who participated included General D.W. Caldwell, Dan P. Ellis, and Hon. William Flemming.

In 1880, a survey was made from St. Louis to Fort Wayne, Indiana, to connect with the Lake Erie & Western Railroad, of which Mr. Brice was President. The survey was purchased by the Syndicate and two new surveys made, one from Chicago to Fort Wayne, the other from Fort Wayne to Cleveland, originally intended as an eastern terminus of the road. It was finally determined to temporarily abandon the St. Louis branch and instead build from Cleveland to Buffalo.

Early in April 1881, Major Henry L. Merill, an experienced railroad builder, assumed charge of construction. Contracts were let for 45,000 tons of steel rails at $65.00 per ton. Right of way was secured as fast as the surveys were made. The first rails were laid between Arcadia and McComb, Ohio, and the road was practically finished by September 1882. The first train was run over the road October 22, 1882.

The Lake Shore & Michigan Southern, later a part of the New York Central System, quickly realized the value of the Nickel Plate Road as a competitor, purchased the road and held controlling interest in it until July 1916. The Van Sweringen brothers were looking for ways to expand their real estate business in Cleveland and bought the Nickel Plate to acquire a right-of-way for a new traction line. The Vans soon found how nice railroading was and in a matter of a few years became very powerful railroad barons.

On July 1, 1922, the Nickel Plate Road was operating 523 miles of track between Chicago and Buffalo. On this date the NKP secured control of the properties formerly operated, managed, and controlled by the Lake Erie & Western Railroad Co. The LE&W added 707 miles of track reaching from Sandusky, Ohio to Peoria, Illinois, with two branches in Indiana.

On July 15, 1922, another 453 miles were added to the system by affiliation with the cloverleaf (TStL&W RR) reaching from Toledo, Ohio to St. Louis, Missouri. Thus, the Nickel Plate became a 1683-mile system of trackage serving the industrial, agricultural, and distributing region between the Mississippi River on the west, the Great Lakes on the north, and the Niagara Frontier on the east, with close traffic arrangements and service to the New England States and the Atlantic Seaboard reached through connecting lines.

The Nickel Plate purchased its first fifteen Berkshire (2-8-4) steam locomotives in 1934. Until that time the NKP had never had a locomotive that was out of the ordinary. With the Berkshire, the NKP acquired an engine perfectly suited to its needs and virtually every 2-8-4 locomotive built afterwards was based on the very successful design of the 700's.

The 1940's found the Nickel Plate setting record after record with the Berkshires. An additional fifty-five were built during the War. In 1947, the Nickel Plate received its first diesel road engines from American Locomotive Co. . The streamlined diesels were affectionately called BLUEBIRDS and were the only motive power on the post 1900 Nickel Plate not painted black.

In 1949, the Nickel Plate leased the long sought Wheeling & Lake Erie Railway, which it had controlled for a number of years. The Wheeling gave the Nickel Plate a financially stable railroad that was a consistent money maker. With the addition of the W&LE, the stage was set for Nickel Plate's spectacular operational and financial performance of the 1950's.


from: www.nkphts.org/history.html

Later! [tup]

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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, June 12, 2006 11:41 AM
NEW YORK
CHICAGO
&
ST. LOUIS
(NKP)
Streamlined Dining & Lounge Cars
by Al

The Nickel Plate owned no lightweight streamlined dining cars, but rebuilt and modernized a number of heavyweight dining cars and dining-lounge cars with a streamlined appearance following WW II. These cars were rebuilt and streamlined and the Nickel Plates Stony Island shops.
Cars 125 and 126 were rebuilt and streamlined from Café-Coaches and after modernization became dining lounge cars seating 24 in the dining room and 22 in the lounge section. They were most often assigned to the St. Louis – Cleveland route numbers 9-10.
Numbers 127-131 were rebuilt and streamlined with 18-seat Dining rooms and 10 seat lounges. These operated in Chicago – Buffalo trains and Chicago - Cleveland trains.
In May 1950 Pullman Standard delivered a pair of 5-Double Bedroom 3 Crew Dormitory Buffet 18-seat Café 4-seat Lounge cars. These two cars were 150 CITY OF CLEVELAND and 151 CITY OF CHICAGO and operated in overnight service between their namesake cities. Both were sold privately in 1970 and operate for private owners today.

5-DOUBLE BEDROOM 3-CREW DORMITORY BUFFET 18-SEAT CAFÉ 4-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard May 1950 Plan: 4169 Lot: 6867 (Built for and assigned to Cleveland – Chicago NICKEL PLATE LIMITED)

150 CITY OF CLEVELAND

151 CITY OF CHICAGO

The NKP was merged into the N&W October 16, 1964

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Posted by LoveDomes on Monday, June 12, 2006 10:54 AM
G'day Cap'n Tom

Here's a little something I found while browsing the Ether this morning . . . .

Nickel Plate Magazine - 1957 (fair use)



Until the next time!


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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, June 12, 2006 9:52 AM
ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #32

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

New York, Chicago & St. Louis – Nickel Plate Road (NKP)



Headquarters: Cleveland, OH

Mileage in 1950 2,192

Locomotives in 1950:

Steam: 392
Diesel: 117

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 29,229
Passenger cars: 117

Principal routes (not all) in 1953 (after W&LE merger):

Chicago-Buffalo, NY via Fostoria & Lorain, OH
Toledo, OH-East St. Louis, IL
Toledo-Wheeling, WV & Steubenville, OH
Cleveland-Zanesville, OH
Sandusky, OH-East Peoria, IL via Lima, OH
Indianapolis-Michigan City, IN
Fort Wayne-Connersville & Rushville, IN
Norwalk-Huron, OH
Cleveland-Wellington, OH

Passenger trains of note: (not all

Blue Arrow (Cleveland-St. Louis)
Blue Dart (St. Louis-Cleveland)
City of Chicago (Buffalo-Chicago)
City of Cleveland (Chicago-Buffalo)
Commercial Traveler (Toledo-St. Louis)
New Yorker (Chicago-Buffalo)
Nickel Plate Limited (Chicago-Buffalo)
Westerner (Buffalo-Chicago)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, June 11, 2006 5:12 PM
CHESAPEAKE
&
OHIO
(C&O)
Streamlined Dining & Lounge Cars
by Al

The C&O northern lines better known at the time as the Pere Marquette introduced a pair of seven-car coach streamliners August 10, 1946 between Detroit and Grand Rapids, Michigan. The two train sets made three round trips between them. The first two cars following the E7A diesel unit the baggage 30’railway post office car and baggage car were simply moved to the other end of the five cars at terminals only the diesel was turned. The five passenger carrying cars were trainlined in the following manner.

56-seat coach observation blunt end
54-seat coach with smoking lounge
44-seat dining car
54-seat coach with smoking lounge
56-seat coach observation blunt end

The new trains were delivered painted in the University of Michigan colors of Venetian yellow and Enchantment blue. These basic colors would be accepted by C&O as the color for all their streamliners with the yellow becoming a darker shade called Federal yellow on subsequent cars. Only those cars built for the CHESSIE would not receive the new C&O paint scheme.
The new Michigan trains were named the PERE MARQUETTES when they entered service and soon earned a reputation for reliability. The cars we are concerned with in this book are car numbers 10 and 11. These two cars featured a center kitchen with a passageway down one side. The dining areas were on either side of the kitchen pantry area and seated 22 at table seating for two and four. There were three tables for two and four tables for four. The cars served a dual purpose acting as lounge space during non-meal hours. The PERE MARQUETTES were one of the few trains in the U.S. to have waitresses instead of waiters and a no-tipping policy. Number 10 was retired in 1968 and sold privately. Car number 11 was converted in 1959 to a cafeteria car without change of number and retired in 1969. In 1970 the car was sold to a private owner.

44-SEAT DINING CARS Pullman Standard July 1946 (Built for and assigned to PERE MARQUETTES)

10, 11

The next trains to be discussed were the CHESSIES the trains that never were. The C&O received three Budd built consists in August 1948 that would have been among the finest day trains in the land if not the finest. The CHESSIES were built to operate between Washington, D.C. and Cincinnati with a connecting train between Newport News and Charlottesville. The three consists were to be pulled by the largest coal fired turbine locomotives ever built for passenger service. The C&O realized before the train entered service that they would never attract enough ridership to pay their way.
Each CHESSIE consist would have had five feature cars. These cars were 1875 –1877, 1900 –1902, 1920 – 1922, 1940 – 1942 and 1970 – 1972.
We will look at the cars in numerical order this is definitely not the way they would have been trainlined.
The 1875 – 1877 were built to be the last cars in the CHESSIES They featured a 20-seat coach section forward of the dome on the main level The Dome a lower profile dome built for eastern clearances seated the standard 24 found in all Budd short domes. To the rear of the dome in the rounded observation end on the cars main level was a lounge seating 16 with unusual seating arrangement having all facing aft at angles in pairs a single and one group of three. Beneath the dome was a pair of restrooms and a newsstand that would have sold newspapers, cigarettes, candies, magazines and souvenirs. Ahead of the coach seating was a silent screen room that showed headlines for the coach passengers of these cars. These cars would have operated Newport News to Cincinnati. After operating in PERE MARQUETTE service for a short period of time the three cars were sold to the D&RGW September 20, 1949. Before repainting and delivery to their new owner the cars were fitted with an adaptor at their rounded end complete with diaphragm for mid-train operation. See D&RGW for disposition and further history of these cars.

24-SEAT DOME 20-SEAT COACH 16-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS with Newsstand beneath dome Budd Company August 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1875 – 1877

Cars 1900 – 1902 were 6-seat lunch counter 8-seat dinette 25-seat tavern lounge 10-seat lounge cars. Car number 1900 was rebuilt to C&O business car 19 in 1953. One year later in 1954 the car was sold to the NYC as their business car 28. The NYC in turn sold the car privately in 1959 and named ADIOS II. Cars 1901 and 1902 were sold to the General Roca Railway of Argentina in 1951.

6-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 8-SEAT DINETTE 25-SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE 10-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Budd Company August 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1900 – 1902

Car numbers 1920 – 1922 were 5-seat lunch counter 16-seat dining 18-seat lounge 6-seat lounge observations. These cars were blunt end observations and would have operated between Washington and Cincinnati. All three cars were remodeled in 1952 each differently. Car 1920 after rebuilding featured a 4-seat lunch counter 38-seat dining 6-seat lounge observation. Car 1920 was transferred to Amtrak ownership in 1971. Car 1921 was remodeled to 5-seat lunch counter 36-seat dining and 4-seat lounge observation. Car 1921 was transferred to Amtrak ownership in 1971. Car number 1922 was remodeled to a 5-seat lunch counter 32-seat dining 10-seat lounge observation. In 1971 car 1922 was transferred to Amtrak ownership.

5-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 16-SEAT DINING 18-SEAT LOUNGE 6-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company August 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1920 – 1922

Cars 1940 – 1942 were part of two unit-dining sets with each coupled to car numbers 1970 – 1972 respectively. Cars 1940 – 1942 featured a 6-crew dayroom 9-seat dinette 4-seat lunch counter and a large kitchen pantry. Since these cars were built during the Jim Crow era of racial segregation they served black passengers only. The trailing 1970-1972-class dining room – theater cars were for white passengers only. Cars 1970 – 1972 were 52-seat dining room-theater cars. Seating was arranged at tables for two and four and they provided no kitchen facilities of any kind being totally dependant on the kitchens in 1940 – 1942 for food service. All three sets of cars were sold to the ACL in November 1950 for further service see ACL chapter for further history of these cars.

6-CREW LOUNGE 9-SEAT DINETTE 4-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER KITCHEN UNITS Budd Company August 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1940 – 1942

52-SEAT DINING – THEATER UNITS Budd Company August 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1970 – 1972

In 1950 the C&O received a large number of cars from Pullman Standard that were to say the least state of the art. The cars they received were part of a larger order parts of which were sold to other railroads with delivery straight from Pullman Standard. Still other parts of this huge order were canceled altogether. The C&O realized with their passenger services not all of the cars would be necessary to operate the trains they had.
The C&O purchased eight twin-unit dining car sets that were actually completed and delivered but none ever entered C&O service instead four were sold to the NYC, two were sold to the ACL and the remaining two were sold to the IC. These twin-unit dining sets as built consisted of a 16-crew dormitory – kitchen unit and a 52-seat dining room 12-seat cocktail lounge theater unit.

16-CREW DORMITORY KITCHEN CARS – 52-SEAT DINING 12-SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE THEATER CARS Pullman Standard 1950 (Built for C&O service but sold to other railroads)

1950 GADSBY’S KITCHEN
1973 GADSBY’S TAVERN
(Sold to Illinois Central November 1950)

1951 RALEIGH KITCHEN
1974 RALEIGH TAVERN
(Sold to Illinois Central November 1950)

1952 MICHIE’S KITCHEN
1975 MICHIE’S TAVERN
(Sold to New York Central October 1950)

1953 HANOVER KITCHEN
1976 HANOVER TAVERN
(Sold to New York Central October 1950)

1954 SWAN KITCHEN
1977 SWAN TAVERN
(Sold to Atlantic Coast Line December 1950)

1955 POSTLETHWAIT’S KITCHEN
1978 POSTLETHWAIT’S TAVERN
(Sold to Atlantic Coast Line December 1950)

1956 CALDWELL’S KITCHEN
1979 CALDWELL’S TAVERN
(Sold to New York Central October 1950)

1957 BOTSFORD KITCHEN
1980 BOTSFORD TAVERN
(Sold to New York Central October 1950)

No single unit lightweight streamlined dining cars were delivered for C&O service from this 1950 Pullman Standard order. Two were built but they were sold directly to the D&RGW. See the D&RGW for further details of these cars.
Pullman Standard built four 8-seat lunch counter buffet 38-seat lounge cars as part of the order for C&O but three were delivered directly to the D&RGW, only one was destined for C&O service 1903 CHESSIE CLUB assigned to C&O Northern lines for PERE MARQUETTE service. This car was transferred to Amtrak service in 1971.

8-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER BUFFET 38-SEAT LOUNGE CAR Pullman Standard 1950 (Built for and assigned to PERE MARQUETTE)

1903 CHESSIE CLUB

As part of the Pullman Standard order were eight 5-double bedroom buffet 26-seat lounge observations. Only four would enter C&O service and the other four were sold to the B&O who assigned their four to the AMBASSADOR and CAPITOL LIMITED. The C&O assigned three of the cars to the GEORGE WASHINGTON and the remaining car 2504 NEW RIVER CLUB was rebuilt to C&O Business car 29. The C&O rebuilt all three remaining cars 2500 BLUE RIDGE CLUB, 2503 TIDEWATER CLUB and 2506 BLUEGRASS CLUB in 1962 to 6-crew dormitory Kitchen-pantry 38-seat dining observations. Three of the bedrooms were designated crew dormitory space and the remaining two along with the buffet were rebuilt to Kitchen pantry and the lounge seating was removed and replaced by seven tables for four. All three were retired and sold to Amtrak in 1971. Business car CHESSIE 29 sold privately in 1971. These cars were renumbered and retained their names as before see below.

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 26-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard 1950 (Built for and assigned to C&O passenger trains)

2500 BLUE RIDGE CLUB remodeled 1962 to C&O 1923 BLUE RIDGE CLUB

2501 SHENANDOAH CLUB sold to B&O February 1951 renumbered and renamed B&O 7502 DANA assigned to AMBASSADOR

2502 TIDEWATER CLUB sold to B&O March 1951 renumbered and renamed B&O 7500 NAPPANEE assigned to CAPITOL LIMITED

2503 ALLEGHENNY CLUB remodeled 1962 to C&O 1925 ALLEGHENNY CLUB

2504 NEW RIVER CLUB rebuilt 1951 to C&O Business car CHESSIE 29

2505 OHIO RIVER CLUB sold to B&O February 1951 renumbered and renamed B&O 7503 METCALF

2506 BLUE GRASS CLUB remodeled 1962 to C&O 1924 BLUE GRASS CLUB

2507 WOLVERINE CLUB sold to B&O March 1951 renumbered and renamed B&O 7501 WAWASEE assigned to CAPITOL LIMITED

The C&O converted two of their 1950 built coaches 1610 and 1611 to Coach diners in 1956. Where the one large bathroom in these cars was located at the end opposite the boarding vestibule, it was rebuilt to a pair of bathrooms the 26-seat coach seating at this end remained and to the rear of the center offset a 22-seat dining room was installed with 5-tables for 4 and one corner table for 2. Where the large bathroom at the boarding vestibule end was located this was rebuilt to a kitchen. Both 1610 and 1611 were retired in 1971 and sold to Amtrak.

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, June 11, 2006 2:31 PM
G'day!

Thanx for the Alaska spread!! [tup] Much appreciated, Lars!

Now, let's see if I can come up with something for the "theme" since 20 Fingers appears to have taken the weekend off . . .

C&O freight foto credit: unknown


C&O passenger foto credit: unknown


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by LoveDomes on Sunday, June 11, 2006 12:26 PM
Hiya Cap'n Tom

A departure from the "theme" over here - just thought this would bring a smile to your face!!!


For Tom’s Alaska Trip!!



For Tom’s Alaska Trip!! A chart map!



For Tom’s Alaska Trip!! The Anchorage Depot!



For Tom’s Alaska Trip!! The Denali Depot!


For Tom’s Alaska Trip!! The Fairbanks Depot!



All pix posted with the “blanket permission” from Alaska Railroad!

Check out the remainder over at the bar for Sunday Photo Posting Day!!


Until the next time! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, June 11, 2006 9:37 AM
ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #31

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Chesapeake & Ohio (C&O)



Headquarters: Richmond, VA

Mileage in 1950:

5,343 (including ferries)

Locomotives in 1963:

Steam: 3 (fireless “cookers”)
Diesel: 1,053

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 92,992
Passenger cars: 324

Principal (not all) routes in 1950:

Chicago-Cincinnati, OH-Ashland, KY-Staunton, VA-Newport News, VA
Gordonsville, VA-Washington, DC
Clifton Forge-Richmond VA
Ashland-Louisville, KY
Limeville (Ashland)-Columbus, OH-Toledo, OH
Columbus-Pomeroy, OH
Catlettsburg (Ashland)-Elkhorn City, KY
Ronceverte-Durbin & Bartow, WV
Chicago-Grand Rapids, MI-Detroit, MI-St. Thomas, ON-Buffalo & Niagra Falls, NY
Grand Rapids-Petoskey & Bay View, MI
Erieau, ON-Ludington, MI
Ludington-Milwaukee & Manitowoc & Kewaunee, WI (ferry routes to each from Ludington)
Toledo-Bay City, MI
Port Huron-Bay City-Elmdale, MI
Holland-Muskegon-Hart, MI

Passenger trains of note:

George Washington (Washington & Newport News-Cincinnati & Louisville)
F.F.V. (Washington & Newport News-Cincinnati & Louisville)
Sportsman (Washington & Newport News-Cincinnati & Detroit)
Pere Marquettes (Detroit-Grand Rapids; Chicago-Grand Rapids & Muskegon; Detroit-Saginaw, MI)
Resort Special (Chicago-Petoskey; later, Washington-White Sulphur Springs, WV)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:30 PM
G'day!

Good to see ya, Lars! [tup]

One more from me . . . .


Illinois Central (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, June 10, 2006 3:05 PM
Hiya Cap'n Tom

Here's a steamer to enjoy! [tup]

IC 2-8-4 #8049 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com)
Photo: Paul Eilenburger




Until the next time!


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:09 PM
G'day!

No takers thus far [?]

Check this out . . . .

Illinois Central (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)



Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, June 10, 2006 8:44 AM
ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #30

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Illinois Central (IC)



Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage:

1950: 4,779
1995: 2,732 (including rights)

Locomotives in 1963

Diesels: 629

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 49,226
Passenger cars: 857

Principal routes of the era:

Chicago-New Orleans via Mattoon & Carbondale, IL, & Grenada, MS
Memphis-New Orleans via Vicksburg, MS & Baton Rouge, LA
Memphis-Jackson, MS via Greenwood, MS
Fulton, KY-Birmingham, AL
Freeport-Centralia, IL via Clinton & Vandalia
Chicago-Omaha, NE
Tara (Fort Dodge)-Sioux City, IA
Cherokee, IA-Sioux Falls, SD
Manchester-Cedar Rapids, IA
Waterloo, IA-Albert Lea, MN
Centralia, IL-Madison, WI
Gilman, IL-St. Louis
St. Louis-Du Quoin, IL
Edgewood, IL-Fulton, KY
Fulton-Louisville, KY via Paducah
Effingham, IL-Indianapolis, IN
Mattoon-Peoria, IL via Decatur
Jackson-Gulfport, MS
Meridian, MS-Shreveport, LA

Passenger trains of note:

Chickasaw (Memphis-St. Louis & Chicago)
City of Miami (Chicago & St. Louis-Miami & St. Petersburg, FL; joint with CG, ACL and FEC)
City of New Orleans (Chicago & St. Louis & Louisville-New Orleans)
Daylight (Chicago-St. Louis
Delta Express (Memphis-Vicksburg, MS)
Green Diamond (Chicago-St. Louis)
Hawkeye (Chicago-Sioux City
Iowan (Chicago-Sioux City)
Irvin S. Cobb (Louisville-New Orleans)
Kentucky Cardinal (Louisville-Memphis)
Land O’ Corn (Chicago-Waterloo, IA)
Louisiane (Chicago & St. Louis-New Orleans)
Magnolia Star (Chicago-New Orleans)
Mid-American (Chicago-Memphis)
Night Diamond (Chicago-St. Louis)
Panama Limited (Chicago & St. Louis-New Orleans)
Planter (Louisville-Memphis)
Seminole (Chicago-Jacksonville, FLA via Birmingham & Columbus, GA)
Southwestern Limited & Northeastern Limited (Meridian-Shreveport)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, June 9, 2006 9:07 PM
Hi Gents!

Couldn't let this evening pass by without checking in on "my other Thread!"

THANX Al 'n Art for keeping things running in my absence. Much appreciated! [tup] [tup] [tup]

Good to see the return of Lars - perhaps we'll get things back to a semblance of normalcy here at over at the bar, eh [?] [swg]

Don't let the JOs get you down, Lars. First off, they don't pay attention to the written word - nor do they care about communicating as individuals. These guys apparently didn't have toys when they were kids and get their "jollies" by hiding behind their anonymity here in cyber space. So, let's simply continue our "policy" of not giving them the light of day . . . . they aren't worth the powder it would take to blow 'em to Kingdom Come! [swg]

Here's a teaser of my recently concluded trip to the 49th state:

Alaska Railroad (ARR) in Anchorage


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Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, June 9, 2006 1:21 PM
G'day!

Thoroughly enjoyable thread with some great, continuing input from 20 Fingers Al and our most recent contributor, Art - appreciate the efforts! [tup]

I'm still a long way from having the time to put together anything worthy of your time, so let's just leave it at that. Good to see things are still up 'n running and undoubtedly Cap'n Tom will be most pleased to see that the thread is still active upon his return!

I'll be heading over to the bar for my afternoon visit . . . .

Until the next time! [tup]

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, June 9, 2006 8:02 AM
Good Morning. Continuing with Dining and Lounge cars thought I would go to the South East.

ATLANTIC
COAST
LINE
(ACL)
Streamlined Dining & Lounge Cars
by Al

The Atlantic Coast Line introduced their first lightweight streamlined trains December 1, 1939 with the introduction of daily CHAMPIONS between New York and Miami. The new CHAMPIONS were seven-car coach streamliners built by the Budd Company. Three train sets were constructed in order to provide daily service. Two of the trains were owned by the ACL and the third was owned by the FEC who operated the new streamliners between Jacksonville and Miami. Each of the new trains delivered by Budd in November 1939 was diesel powered south of Washington. North of Washington they operated under Pennsylvania catenary usually behind one of that roads famous GG-1 electrics.
The new seven car streamliners each operated with two feature cars per consist serving the 254-coach seats. The fourth car in each CHAMPION train set was a 48-seat dining car and the seventh car in each consist was a 32-seat tavern bar-buffet 21 seat lounge observation. These beautifully rounded Budd observations would be the only ones purchased by the ACL, as all future Budd built observations would be blunt end cars in order that they could be operated mid-train if necessary. The two ACL dining cars were named PHILADELPHIA and NEW YORK and the FEC dining car in CHAMPION service was named FORT PIERCE. The ACL Tavern-Lounge observations were numbered 250 and 251, while FEC named theirs BAY BISCAYNE. The 250 was destroyed in a wartime accident of the TAMIAMI CHAMPION in July 1943. In 1952 ACL rebuilt the 251 to a blunt end observation matching all postwar ACL observations.

48-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company November 1939 (Built for and assigned to CHAMPION trains)

ACL

NEW YORK

PHILADELPHIA

FEC

FORT PIERCE

32-SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE BAR-BUFFET 21-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company November 1939 (Built for and assigned to CHAMPION trains)

ACL

250, 251

FEC

BAY BISCAYNE

So popular were the new CHAMPIONS with the traveling public that additional cars were ordered for late 1940 delivery that would expand the consists to fourteen cars each doubling the size of the initial train sets. Now each expanded train set operated with two 48-seat dining cars and two 32-seat tavern lounge Bar-Buffet 21-seat lounge observations. Now the fifth car in each consist was a 48-seat dining car, the eighth car was a new blunt end tavern lounge bar buffet Lounge Observation, the eleventh car was a 48-seat dining car and the fourteenth and last car was one of the 1939 round end tavern lounge bar-buffet lounge observations.
The new cars were all delivered by Budd in December 1940-January 1941. The new cars were all ACL owned except for three Pennsylvania owned 60-seat coaches their first cars for the CHAMPION pool.

48-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company December 1940 - January 1941 (Built for and assigned to CHAMPIONS)

ACL

BALTIMORE

BOSTON

NEWARK

32-SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE BAR-BUFFET 21-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company December 1940 – January 1941 (Built for and assigned to CHAMPIONS)

ACL

252-254

The ACL increased the CHAMPION pool following WW-II with the purchase of 21 cars from Budd, the PRR contributed 12 coaches and the RF&P contributed eight coaches their first for the CHAMPION pool. At the same time the FEC purchased nineteen additional cars from Budd for the CHAMPION pool and other trains. Among the cars purchased were one 24-seat dining 18-seat lounge car two 48-seat dining cars and three 32-seat tavern lounge bar-buffet 21-seat lounge observations. At last the CHAMPIONS could operate trains to both Florida coasts with enough cars for winter operations that did not require splitting the trains at Jacksonville, now there were through CHAMPIONS to both coasts. In the slower summer season the CHAMPIONS would still operate combined between New York and Jacksonville. The lone Dining Lounge car two 48-seat dining cars were ACL owned, as were the final three 32-seat tavern lounge bar-buffet 21-seat lounge observations. All of the Budd cars were delivered between May 1946 and May 1947. Budd delivered the new 48-seat dining cars were delivered in April – May 1947 and Budd delivered the new Tavern Lounge Observations in May 1947. The lone ACL owned Dining Lounge car ST. PETERSBURG was quickly remodeled to a 48-seat dining car after entering service.

48-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company April – May 1947 (Built for and assigned to CHAMPION pool)

ACL

TAMPA

WASHINGTON

FEC

FORT DALLAS

FORT MATANZAS

FORT SAN MARCO

24-SEAT DINING 18-SEAT LOUNGE CAR Budd Company May 1947 (Built for and assigned to CHAMPION pool)

ACL

ST. PETERSBURG

32-SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE BAR-BUFFET 21-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Blunt) May 1947 (Built for and assigned to CHAMPION pool)

ACL

255-257

FEC

LAKE OKEECHOBEE

32-SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE BAR – BUFFET 21-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Round) May – 1947 (Built for and assigned to CHAMPION pool)

FEC

HOBIE SOUND

ST. LUCIE SOUND

The FEC owned round observations were assigned to the EAST COAST CHAMPION from New York to Miami bringing up the markers with blunt end ACL and FEC observations mid-train. The WEST COAST CHAMPION trains operated with blunt end tavern lounge observations mid-train and bringing up the markers.
For the sleeping cars passenger new lightweight streamlined cars were delivered in the last half of 1949. Among the cars delivered were nine 6-Double Bedroom Buffet 24-seat lounge cars from AC&F. These nine cars owned by the ACL, FEC and RF&P were assigned to the FLORIDA SPECIALS (6) in the winter months with the remaining three assigned to the EAST COAST CHAMPION. Summers the trains were assigned to the EAST COAST and WEST COAST CHAMPIONS.

6-DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 24-SEAT LOUNGE CARS American Car & Foundry November – December 1949 Plan: 9006 (Built for and assigned to CHAMPIONS and FLORIDA SPECIAL)

ACL
(Lot: 3090)

MYRTLE BEACH

PASS-A-GRILLE BEACH

PONTE VEDRA BEACH

SEA ISLAND BEACH

VIRGINIA BEACH

WRIGHTSVILLE BEACH

FEC
(Lot: 3095)

MAGNOLIA

OLEANDER

RF&P
(Lot: 3093)

COLONIAL BEACH

Between February and May 1950 Pullman Standard delivered thirteen 36-eat dining cars for ACL service to the ACL, FEC, and RF&P. All three roads dining cars were named and did not carry numbers. These cars were assigned to the winter only all-Pullman FLORIDA SPECIAL and such other fine ACL trains as the MIAMIAN, VACATIONER, and others.

36-SEAT DINING CARS Pullman Standard February – May 1950 (Built for and assigned to various ACL trains in a general pool)

ACL

ATLANTA

BIRMINGHAM

CORDELE

FITZGERALD

GREENVILLE

LA GRANGE

MOULTRIE

PLANT CITY

TALLEDEGA

TARBORO

FEC

FORT DRUM

FORT RIBAULT

RF&P

HENRICO

Besides these lightweight cars the ACL rebuilt and streamlined a number of heavyweight 36-seat and 48-seat dining cars at their Emerson shops in Rocky Mount, N.C. Those modernized and streamlined 36-seat dining cars were named BRADENTON (48), GAINESVILLE (48), HARTSVILLE (36), KINSTON (36), NEW BERN (36), ORANGEBURG (36), TROY (48) and VALDOSTA (36). All of these cars were retired from ACL service by 1963. The work performed on these cars was outstanding and were difficult to tell from factory lightweight streamlined cars.
In December 1950 the ACL received five twin unit Kitchen-Dining room sets from the C&O who after having the cars built for them could not find a use for them and sold them to the ACL. Two of the sets were 16-crew dormitory Kitchen cars C&O numbers 1954 SWAN KITCHEN and 1955 POSTLEWHWAIT’S KITCHEN were renumbered ACL 125 and 126 respectively. The 64-seat dining room cars sold to the ACL at the same time for these kitchen units were C&O 1977 SWAN TAVERN and 1978 POSTLETHWAIT’S TAVERN; these were named PORT TAMPA and WINTER PARK by ACL.
The other three units that featured kitchens were built for the C&O as 14-seat Lunch Counter Kitchen Units numbers 1941,1940, and 1942 for the stillborn CHESSIE. These cars were built by Budd and delivered in August 1948. The C&O remodeled the cars to 18-crew dormitory –Kitchen units renumbering them 127-129 respectively.
The Dining room cars these were attached to were Budd built as well and were also built for the stillborn CHESSIE. These cars only seated 54-seats and were the former C&O 1970-1972. The ACL named these cars WINTER HAVEN, ST. PETERSBURG and FORT MYERS respectively. Since the ACL already had a 48-seat dining car carrying the name ST. PETERSBURG they renamed the 48-seat Dining car ORLANDO in December 1950.
Pullman Standard delivered the body shell only for a lightweight streamlined 36-seat dining car to the ACL in 1957. For the next two years this blank car body sat outside the Emerson shops in Rocky Mount. Finally in December 1959 the car was pulled into the shops and emerged as the ACL’s newest dining car NAPLES at that time.
All six BEACH series 6-Double Bedroom Buffet 25-seat lounge cars survived to the SCL merger.
One of the 48-seat Budd built dining cars PHILADELPHIA was wrecked and destroyed in an accident June 29,1957.
The ACL also lost one of their 36-seat dining cars CORDELE in 1957. The car shell purchased in 1957 that became the NAPLES in December 1959 was the replacement car for CORDELE. All other 48-seat and 36 seat dining cars became Seaboard Coast line property in the 1967 merger. For further details of these cars see the SCL chapter.

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Posted by artpeterson on Thursday, June 8, 2006 2:32 PM
Thanks Al! With the Chestnut Hill track diverging off to the left foreground this looks to be a late afternoon-early evening shot (certainly there's low light illuminating the underbody details, so perhaps more into the evening). I'll check the PRR timetables of the era to see which of the trains you suggested might have passed through N. Philadelphia around that time.
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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, June 8, 2006 1:54 PM
Art the only train I can think of with an observation operating in that position from NY was the Jeffersonian that operated as far as Philadelphia before the Observation would have been on the rear to Harrisburg and on to St. Louis. Or it might have been the combined General and Trail Blazer that carried the coaches to the rear and also tuned at Philadelphia.
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Posted by artpeterson on Thursday, June 8, 2006 12:37 PM
Hi Al -

Need your help in identifying a PRR train. This image was taken at North Philadelphia on July 3, 1960 by Bill Janssen. The second car in the train appears to be a blunt-end obs, numbered, but not named. Appreciate whatever assistance you can offer!

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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, June 8, 2006 6:45 AM
Nice to see Lars is back.

Will follow up yesterdays post with another Canadian Road's Dining & Lounge Cars.

CANADIAN
PACIFIC
(CPR)
Streamlined Dining & Lounge Cars
by Al

The Canadian Pacific operated a number of lightweight streamlined dining and lounge cars. Many were built in the CP Montreal shops from frames supplied by National Steel Car Company Ltd. The CPR built four streamlined trains in 1936 for high-speed service in Alberta, Ontario, and Quebec powered by new 4-4-4 streamlined “Jubilee” locomotives. Each four-car train was identical a Baggage-Buffet-8-seat Dinette 20-seat Coach provided the food and beverage service on these trains. The total seating capacity of the trains was 100. The two train sets operated in Quebec ran between Montreal – Quebec City as the WINDSOR and FRONTENAC. The train between Toronto and Detroit was named the ROYAL YORK. The western train was named the CHINOOK operating round trip daily between Calgary and Edmonton. Car numbers 3051 and 3052 were retired in 1967 and rebuilt for Maintenance of Way service. The 3051 was sold to the National Museum of Science and Technology where it is displayed today.
Car numbers 3050 and 3053 were retired from service in 1969 and sold for scrap.

25’ BAGGAGE BUFFET 8-SEAT DINETTE 20-SEAT COACHES CPR Shops August – September 1936 (Built for assignment to the CHINOOK FRONTENAC ROYAL YORK WINDSOR)

3050 – 3053

In June 1938 an additional streamlined car was built for one of he trains the ROYAL YORK. This car was a Buffet 17-seat Lounge 22-seat Parlor Observation car. The observation end of this car was blunt ad equipped with a diaphragm at both ends. There were windows on either side of the diaphragm of the end of the car operated as the observation end. In 1968 the 6630 was sold to the QNS&L with no change of number or paint scheme.

BUFFET 17-SEAT LOUNGE 22-SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATION CPR Shops June 1938 (Built for and assigned to ROYAL YORK)

6630

Between September 1947 and March 1949 CPR Montreal shops constructed ninety-nine 68-seat coaches divided into smoking and non-smoking sections the smoking section seating 24 and the non-smoking section seating 44. The cars were numbered 2200 – 2298, the reason they are mentioned here is that three of these cars 2289 –2291 were rebuilt in 1958 to 40-seat Parlor cars renumbered 6600 – 6602 arranged with two and one seating and were equipped with an airline style galley for food service at passengers seats. The cars were assigned to the pool trains between Montreal and Toronto operated jointly with the CNR.
In 1953 the CPR decided to streamline their transcontinental services with two train’s one new fully streamlined train the CANADIAN the other train named the DOMINION would be partially equipped with new streamlined cars and heavyweights in combination.
Each streamlined CANADIAN was assigned three feature cars per consist and the DOMINION was likewise equipped with the new cars built by Budd with Canadian content such as trucks and other items in the cars construction. In order to equip the two transcontinental streamliners the CPR ordered a total of 54 feature cars from Budd to equip the CANADIAN, DOMINION and ATLANTIC LIMITED with spares held in reserve. There were three types of feature cars the SKYLINE DOME car was a multi-purpose car with 26 coach seats forward of the dome on the main level, beneath the dome was a kitchen and six seat dinette, on the main level aft of the dome was a Buffet area with seating for 23 where meals and beverages were consumed by coach passengers of the CANADIAN and DOMINION. Those SKYLINE Dome cars assigned to the ATLANTIC LIMITED served both the coach and sleeping car passengers of that train as the SKYLINE Dome was the only food and beverage car in the consists. The standard 24-seat dome was for coach passengers of the CANADIAN and DOMINION. Each consist carried a single SKYLINE Dome car. The cars all carried the name SKLINE on there flanks and were numbered 500 – 517 All SKYLINE Dome cars were transferred to VIA Rail Canada ownership.

24-SEAT DOME 26-SEAT COACH KITCHEN 6-SEAT DINETTE 23-SEAT BUFFET CARS Budd Company 1954 – 1955 (Built for and assigned to CANADIAN – DOMINION – ATLANTIC LIMITED)

500 – 517

There were eighteen 48-seat dining cars built for the CANADIAN, DOMINION and pool service trains between Montreal and Toronto. They were assigned one per consist to each of the trains. The CANADIAN and DOMINION operated with two Dining room crews in their transcontinental trips. One crew operated between Montreal and Winnipeg the other between Winnipeg and Vancouver. This practice is continued today in VIA Rail Canada service. The new 48 seat dining cars were named only assigned names of Canadian Pacific Hotel Dining Rooms and Lounges.

48-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company 1954 – 1955 (Built for and assigned to CANADIAN – DOMINION)

ACADIAN

ALEXANDRA

ALHAMBRA

ANNAPOLIS

CARTIER

CHAMPLAIN

EMERALD

EMPRESS

FAIRHOLME

FRONTENAC

IMPERIAL

KENT

LOUISE

PALLISER

PRINCESS

SELKIRK

WASCANA

YORK

The most talked about car in the CANADIAN and DOMINION trains were the PARK series Dome –Sleeper Lounge Observation cars. These cars were the perfect ending to any streamliner. Almost identical to those built for the CB&Q-D&RGW-WP CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR America’s cruise train, it was only fitting that Canada’s cruise train the CANADIAN have similar cars carrying the tail signs. These eighteen cars built for the CANADIAN and Dominion carried names only. The names selected were the names of Provincial and National Parks thus the reason the cars were always referred to as the Park cars. The interiors of these cars were floor planned with 3-double bedrooms 1-Drawing Room on the main level forward of the dome on the main level. Beneath the dome was a bar and 12-seat cocktail lounge, to the rear once again on the main level was a 14-seat Lounge Observation. The Dome level seated the usual 24 ad the PARK cars were for the exclusive use of sleeping car passengers. Of the eighteen built seventeen all but YOHO PARK that was destroyed in an accident went to VIA Rail Canada. Next to the car names below is the province where the park is located.

24-SEAT DOME 3-DOUBLE BEDROOM 1-DRAWING ROOM 12-SEAT LOUNGE BAR 14-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company 1954-55 (Built for and assigned to CANADIAN – DOMINION)

ALGONQUIN PARK – ONTARIO

ASSINIBOINE PARK – B. C.

BANFF PARK – ALBERTA

EVANGELINE PARK – N. S.

FUNDY PARK – N. B.

GLACIER PARK – B. C.

KOKANEE PARK – B. C.

KOOTENAY PARK – B. C.

LAURENTIDE PARK – QUEBEC

PRINCE ALBERT PARK – SASK.

REVELSTOKE PARK – B. C.

RIDING MOUNTAIN PARK – MANITOBA

SIBLEY PARK – ONTARIO

STRATHCONA PARK – B. C.

TREMBLANT PARK – QUEBEC

TWEEDSMUIR PARK – B. C.

WATERTON PARK – ALBERTA

YOHO PARK – B. C.

TTFN Al
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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 8:15 PM
Greetings Guys!

Looks like the Al & Art show since Tom departed for Alaska! Nice work keeping the thread up 'n running! [tup]

I see the resident JO has popped in once again with his nonsense. This guy has no e-mail address for us to communicate privately with him nor does he provide a name. So, who gives a Rat's Patoot about his thoughts [?] JOs are not welcome here - hasn't that point gotten to you yet [?]

By the way, perhaps by reading the material, you will see that those you question are not intended to be all inclusive. I have a suggestion for guys like you - create your own thread and get the heck off this one! [tdn] I'll go with anything provided here by the guys who frequent it - especially from Wikipedia sources and published book sources.

Now - I feel sooooooooo much better! [swg]

Still trying to play catch up with the posts here and over at the bar - just wanted to see what's been happenin' here . . . .

I'll try to provide something meaningful in a day or two.

Until the next time!

Lars
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 5:39 PM
There are a couple mistakes in the L&N post on page 59 of this thread.

The Gulf Wind operated from New Orleans to Jacksonville over the L&N and the Seaboard Airline, not the Atlantic Coast Line as the post says.

The Azalean (according to Peter Malkin's "Night Train") was a Cincinnati-New Orleans trains, not a Crescent Route train as the post says. It carried a New York-Cincinnati-Birmingham sleeper into the 1950s.
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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 3:17 PM
The GN Mountain series Observations were the only ones of their type ever built. They had two or if you count the car attendants three Roomettes. When in Empire Builder service the three Roomettes were occupied by the Gn Passenger agent , Pullman Conductor and car attendant. They were bult to plese the first class passengers and never heard any complaints. Built by American Car & Foundry I have always thought they were the finest lounge observations built. When transferred to the Western Star and that train was combined with the Fast Mail they operated mid-train what a shame! There was always several storage mail cars trailing these beautiful cars. Even when one of the cars was painted in SP daylight colors it was easy to see it was a former GN car by the window arrangement when it went to the Louisiana Fair behind the 4449.

TTFN Al

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