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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:14 AM
Tom you are absolutely right about the mountain of info I have collected. That is why I have a 3.2 gig Computer to put all of the info into and make back ups on CDs. I have 38 three ring binders with hand written notes from over the years and am working on several books at the same time.
I finally got all of my book collection into Barrister bookcases I now have four of them full plus a large area in a closet occupied by magazines. I also have a collection of Videos on trains but lost my picture collection in a move about twelve years ago. I have made arrangements for the entire collection to go to the Sacramento Rail Museum upon my demise. I have collected books about rails for over forty years. I admire your willingness to put some of your books out on loan I don't think I could do that. I don't even let the wife dust them I do that myself. The one advantage to the barrister bookcases is dusting is only needed once a year. And they do not collect dust like they used too. The binder5s with information are not in the bookcases but as soon as i get all of the info transferred to the computer and discs I will eliminate them altogether.

TTFN AL

PS If I had been on your other thread this would have cost me a round of drinks.
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:13 PM
Hello Al

Well, had you Posted your last at the bar, you'd have received a hulluvalot more responses and acknowledgments than you ever will 'round this thread![swg]

I too am setting out to find an organization to give my RR "stuff" to, including all of the model trains. Seems like a sensible thing to do.

That book I'm pushing for the RR Book Relay is hardly a prized possession. Check out the "history" I gave on it and you'll see that it was sent to me by a friend. Just a soft cover picture book. I'd NEVER release one of my hardbound RR editions in that manner. Nope!

Later!

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:28 PM
G'day!

Check these pix out!

1967 Santa Fe San Diegan in the Del Mar, CA station.
(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


1967: Union Pacific's City of Los Angeles at Pomona, CA
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1967: Santa Fe Chief in the Pomona, CA
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1967: Union Pacific's City of Los Angeles at Riverside, CA.
(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Enjoy!

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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:42 PM
Tom enjoyed the southern California Passenger train pix. It doesen't seem like that many years ago Santa Fe operated special trains to the race track at Del Mar. Remember them well!

The UP always had an abundance of E units and never hesitated in adding an additional unit or two to get a heavy CITY train over their lines.

Postwar the Santa Fe seemed to settle on A-B-B-A sets of F units for the SUPER CHIEF, EL CAPITAN while the early postwar CHIEF received A-B-A sets of Alco's Always liked the look of the big Alco's pulling a streamlined consist.

Califonia had to be one of the few states where it was possible to see Alco PA-PB-PA units operated by three different major railroads as SP, UP and AT&SF all owned them and operated them in passenger service in California. The UP Alcos did not last that long in passenger service and were assigned to secondary trains such as the LOS ANGELES LIMITED. SP assigned theirs to the SHASTA DAYLIGHT, CASCADE, CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO, SAN FRANCISCO OVERLAND and SUNSET.

Not unusual to see Alcos operating on Santa Fe SAN DIEGAN's , GOLDEN GATES, FAST MAIL and even the SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF.

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:15 PM
Evenin' Al,

California is still leading the nation when it comes to passenger railroading. Quite a lot of support on the left coast for passenger servcie.

Those pix at www.trainweb.org are really extensive and worth the time to browse. They seem to do it right at that site![swg]

Alcos have always looked good to me, whether in Gilbert's American Flyer trains of years ago (S gauge) or for real as shown. NYC had some that looked terrific in the lightning bolt livery. I think the best I've ever seen (in photo's) were the D&H Alco's - "Smart" looking locos![tup][tup]

Appreciate, as always, your input.

Later!

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Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, January 20, 2006 7:54 AM
Good Morning Tom,

Check out these pix!

The Auto Train (formerly WP #811) (from: www.trainweb.org)


Silver Crescent, WP #881 (from: www.trainweb.org)


Silver Planet, WP #882 (from: www.trainweb.org)


Silver Chalet at Portland, OR, WP #881 (from: www.trainweb.org{


Silver Chalet, WP #881 (from: www.trainweb.org)


Until the next time!


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Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, January 20, 2006 11:39 AM
Hello Tom,

Here's a map of the S.I.R.T. (1953). Bring back memoreis[?][swg]



Until the next time!

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Posted by csmith9474 on Friday, January 20, 2006 12:19 PM
http://www.trainweb.org/passengercars/
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, January 20, 2006 12:46 PM
Hey Lars! Did it again,eh[?] That site we both are drawing from is rather short on descriptions, but then again,it IS a pix kinda thing.[tup]

Appreciate your continuing support, however, I'm not witnessing any dialogue going on, other than you, Al and moi - and we can do that over at the bar!

Time to reconsider the merits of keeping this thread going. It does provide a bit of a change to what we "do" at the bar, and of course pix all week if one wants to. Gotta think "on it."

Later!

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, January 20, 2006 12:53 PM
G'day!

In my continuing attempts to get some conversations going, here's another:

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #35

Here’s another RR Passenger Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Louisville & Nashville (L&N)

Headquarters: Louisville, KY

Mileage in 1950: 4,779

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 732

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 59,077
Passenger cars: 483

Principal lines in 1950:

Cincinnati-New Orleans via Louisville, Nashville, Lewisborg, TN & Birmingham
Nashville-St. Louis via Evansville, IN
Louisville-Evansville
Memphis Junction, KY (Bowling Green)-Memphis
Cincinnati-Atlanta via Knoxville, TN & Cartersville, GA
Flomaton, AL-Chattahoochie, FL
Anchorage-Hazard, KY via Lexington
Corbin-Baxter, KY
Lebanon Junction-Sinks, KY

Passenger trains of note:

Azalean (New York-New Orleans via Montgomery; joint with PRR, SR and Atlanta & West Point.
Crescent (New York-New Orleans via Montgomery; joint with PRR, SR and A&WP.
Dixie Flagler (Chicago-Miami via Evansville, Nashville & Atlanta)
Dixie Flyer (Chicago-Florida via Evansville, Nashville & Atlanta)
Dixieland (Chicago-Miami via Louisville, Nashville & Montgomery)
Flamingo (Cincinnati-Jacksonville via Corbin, KY)
Georgian (Chicago & St. Louis-Atlanta)
Gulf Wind (New Orleans-Jacksonville; joint with ACL)
Humming Bird (Chicago & St. Louis & Cincinnati-New Orleans & Memphis; joint with Chicago & Eastern Illinois)
Pan-American (Cincinnati-Memphis & New Orleans)
Piedmont Limited (New York-New Orleans via Montgomery; joint with PRR, SR and A&WP)
Southland (Detroit-Florida via Louisville & Corbin)
South Wind (Chicago-Miami via Louisville, Nashville & Montgomery)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, January 20, 2006 6:49 PM
G’day!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #45

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific (Rock Island) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Now! Beat the Winter Crowds to SUNSHINE LAND!

. . . . . . . . . . The Golden State . . . . . . . . . .
Direct – CHICAGO to LOS ANGELES

Serving El Paso, Douglas, Tucson, Phoenix and Palm Springs

A perfect travel combination for your winter holiday – luxurious Golden State streamliner via the low-altitude Golden State Route!

Here’s smooth Diesel Speed; finest of private room and sectional Pullman accommodations; latest type reclining-seat Chair Cars. Coffee-Shop-Lounge, Dining Car, Lounge Car. Through Sleeping Cars from New York and St. Louis. Extra fare – and worth it!

. . . . . THE IMPERIAL . . . Chair Cars
. . . . . and Pullmans to San Diego – Los Angeles.
. . . . . Tourist Sleepers to Los Angeles. Dining and
. . . . . Lounge Cars. No extra fare.

. . . . . . . . . . ROCK ISLAND LINES . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Road of Planned Progress . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, January 20, 2006 7:25 PM
Tom Just a comment or two on your Rock Island post . At one time the GOLDEN STATE did an outstabding job transprorting midwesterners to the sunshine of Arizona in the winter months.

Now days go to Arizona in the winter and see RVs as far as the eye can see. Many spend summers in the midwest or even further north and grab their RV at the first sign of cold weather and head for Arizona.

The railroads lost all of the business and it wasn't to the airlines that I can see it was to the RV industry.

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, January 20, 2006 8:39 PM
Al Once the highway systems were in place, the RR's were bound to lose out - cairs, buses, trucks, RV's - you name it. Just a matter of time .....

Thanx for stopping by!

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, January 20, 2006 11:24 PM
Good Evening Tom and Lars thought I would put this out to ponder overnight.

Streamlined Dome Cars
Of The
United States & Canada
The following trains began demonstrating or entered service on the dates listed as dome equipped trains. The number of domes listed in parenthesis represents per consist. And the two terminals are shown for each of the dome operated trains.

TRAIN OF TOMORROW May 28, 1947 (4) Demonstrator See UP 457-458 for service.

VISTA DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS CB&Q December 19, 1947 (5) Chicago – Twin Cities twice daily round trips.

COLORADO EAGLE MP- D&RGW June 1948 (1) St. Louis – Denver daily each direction

CHESSIE C&O August 1, 1948 (2) Cincinnati – Washington daily each direction never entered scheduled service.

PERE MARQUETTE C&O October 1948 (1) Chicago – Detroit daily each direction

VISTA DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR CB&Q – D&RGW - WP
March 21, 1949 (4) Chicago – Oakland daily each direction.

COLUMBIAN B&O May 5, 1949 (1) Washington – Chicago Overnight each direction

ROYAL GORGE D&RGW September 1949 (1) Denver – Salt Lake City daily each direction via Pueblo.

BLUE BIRD WAB February 26, 1950 (4) St. Louis – Chicago round trip daily

457-458 UP June 18, 1950 (4) Portland – Seattle round trip daily

SHENANDOAH B&O January 8, 1951 (1) Washington – Chicago every other day

CAPITOL LIMITED B&O January 8, 1951 (1) Washington – Chicago overnight each direction

SUPER CHIEF AT&SF December 1951 (1) Chicago – Los Angeles daily each direction

TEXAS EAGLES MP – T&P 1-2 July 1952 (1) St. Louis – Fort Worth overnight each direction

TEXAS EAGLES MP 21-22 July 1952 (1) St. Louis – San Antonio overnight each direction

MISSOURI RIVER EAGLE MP July 1952 (1) St. Louis –Omaha/Lincoln via Kansas City daily each direction

CITY OF KANSAS CITY WAB August 1952 (1) St. Louis – Kansas City round trip daily

MORNING HIAWATHA CMSTP&P December 1952 (1) Chicago – Twin Cities daily each direction

AFTERNOON HIAWATHA CMSTP&P December 1952 (1) Chicago – Twin Cities daily each direction

OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA CMSTP&P December 1952 (1) Chicago – Seattle/Tacoma daily each direction

VISTA DOME AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR CB&Q December 1952 (1) Chicago – Omaha/Lincoln Overnight each direction

VISTA DOME KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR CB&Q February 1, 1953 (2) Chicago – Kansas City daily each direction

VISTA DOME AMERICAN ROYAL ZEPHYR CB&Q February 1, 1953 (2) Chicago – Kansas City Overnight each direction

SAN JOAQUIN DAYLIGHT SP June 24, 1954 (1) Oakland – Los Angeles via San Joaquin Valley daily each direction

CHICAGOAN – KANSAS CITYAN AT&SF 1954 (1) Chicago – Oklahoma City daily each way

SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF AT&SF 1954 (1) Chicago – Oakland daily each direction

EL CAPITAN AT&SF 1954 (1) Chicago – Los Angeles daily each direction

NORTH COAST LIMITED CB&Q – NP August 16, 1954 Coaches (2) October 1954 Sleepers (2) total (4) Chicago – Portland/Seattle daily each direction

CITY OF PORTLAND C&NW - UP 1955 (3) Chicago – Portland daily each direction)

CITY OF LOS ANGELES C&NW - UP 1955 (2) Chicago – Los Angeles daily each direction

CHALLENGER C&NW - UP 1955 (1) Chicago – Los Angeles daily each direction

SAN FRANCISCO OVERLAND SP April 1955 (1) Oakland – Ogden daily each direction

SHASTA DAYLIGHT SP May 1955 (1) Oakland – Portland daily each direction

CANADIAN CPR April 24, 1955 (2) Montreal/Toronto – Vancouver daily each direction

DOMINION CPR April 24, 1955 (2) Montreal/Toronto – Vancouver daily each direction

ATLANTIC LIMITED CPR April 24, 1955 (1) Montreal – St. John Overnight each direction

CITY OF ST. LOUIS WAB - UP (1) St. Louis – Los Angeles daily each direction

EMPIRE BUILDER CB&Q - GN Coaches (3) May 29, 1955 Lounges (1) October 1955 Chicago – Portland/Seattle daily each direction

CHIEF AT&SF July 1956 (1) Chicago – Los Angeles daily each direction

VISTA DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS CB&Q October 28, 1956 (3) Chicago – Denver/Colorado Springs Overnight each direction

CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO (SP) 1956 (1) Ogden – Oakland daily each direction

CITY OF DENVER CMSTP&P - UP January 1958 (1) Chicago – Denver Overnight Each direction

TEXAS CHIEF AT&SF 1958 (1) Chicago – Houston daily each direction

WESTERN STAR GN (1) winter only St. Paul – Seattle daily each direction

YAMPA VALLEY MAIL D&RGW (1) Denver – Craig round trip daily

POCAHONTAS N&W 1969 (1) Cincinnati – Norfolk daily each direction

VIGER CPR 1969 (1) Montreal – Quebec City round trip daily

FRONTENAC CPR 1969 (1) Montreal – Quebec City round trip daily

RIDEAU CPR 1969 (1) Montreal – Ottawa round trip daily

RIO GRANDE ZEPHYR D&RGW (5) Denver – Salt Lake City every other day

SUPER CONTINENTAL CNR (1) Edmonton – Vancouver daily each direction

PANORAMA CNR (1) Winnipeg – Vancouver daily each direction

COAST DAYLIGHT SP (1) San Francisco – Los Angeles daily each direction

AURORA ARR (1) Anchorage – Fairbanks summers daily

POWHATAN ARROW N&W (1) Cincinnati – Newport News daily each direction

CITY OF MIAMI IC - CofG – ACL – FEC (1) Chicago – Miami winters only every other day

SOUTH WIND PRR – L&N – ACL – FEC (1) Chicago – Miami winters only every other day

LE CHATEAU CHAMPLAIN CPR (1) Montreal – Quebec City round trip daily

LOUISIANA EAGLE T&P (1) New Orleans – Fort Worth Overnight each direction

TURBO TRAINS CNR (2) Toronto – Montreal twice daily round trips

PANAMA LIMITED IC (1) Chicago – New Orleans winter only one season only overnight each direction

BANNER BLUE WAB (1) Chicago – St. Louis round trip daily

NEBRASKA ZEPHYR CB&Q (1) Chicago – Omaha – Lincoln round trip daily

NANCY HANKS II CofG (1) Atlanta- Savannah round trip daily

CITY OF NEW ORLEANS IC (1) Chicago – New Orleans daily each direction

SOUTHERN CRESCENT SOU – L&N (1) Atlanta – New Orleans daily each direction

TTFN AL
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:25 AM
Hey Al

Check this out - Not the UP version, but the first with the name! ...

GM Train of Tomorrow


GM Train of Tomorrow (model)


Enjoy!

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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:33 AM
Morning Tom & Al

Hey, that's some fantastic listing of streamliners you put forth, Al [tup][tup] Lots of effort went into that one. Sure should be posted over at the bar, the guys would love it.[yeah]

Nice photos of "The Train of Tomorrow."

QUOTE: The central idea for this train originated with General Motors in 1944, and subsequent practical suggestions from railway officers and transportation experts were combined in a four-car Astra Dome train which included an Electro-Motive 2,000-hp. Diesel locomotive, one chair car, one sleeper, one dining car and one observation-lounge car. Electro-Motive engineers of the Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company developed detail engineering designs with the help of GM stylists and built the cars.

The E.- M. 2,000-hp. Diesel locomotive was 71 ft. long and had a loaded weight of 318,000 lb. Each of the cars was 85 ft. long.

The chair car had a weight of 147,000 lb. and a seating capacity of 72, including the Astra Dome.

The dining car had a weight of 160,000 lb. and seating capacity of 52, including 18 in the Astra Dome and 10 in the private dining room. The total refrigeration space supplied in the car was 111 cu. ft., and had ice-making capacity of 225 lbs of ice cubes in 24 hr.

The sleeping car had a weight of 150,000 lb. and passenger capacity of 24 sitting and 20 sleeping, exclusive of 24 seats in the Astra Dome. This car was designed with two three-berth drawing rooms, eight duplex roomettes for single occupancy, and, under the dome, 3 compartments, each with 2 lengthwise lower berths.

The observation car had a weight of 141,000 lb. and seating capacity of 68. The car was designed with a rear main lounge, cocktail lounge, lower bar and Astra Dome.

The total length of the train, including the locomotive, was 411 ft.; car heights, rail to Astra Dome roofs, 15 ft. 6 in.; empty weight, 920,000 lb.; loaded weight, 977,000 lb.; exterior finish, steel and glass, blue and silver; interior finish, metals, wood plastics and fabrics in 37 colors; total passenger capacity, 216.

The exterior of the train was finished with a glistening blue-green on its sides and roof, punctuated by decorative moldings and sheathing below the windows which had a bright, silver finish.

Finally, after the war, General Motors ordered the four-car demonstrator set from Pullman. The all-dome train was delivered in May 1947 and toured the country as the GM "Train of Tomorrow". The consist went on exhibition tours totalling 65,000 miles. After the tour ended in 1950, the Union Pacific purchased the equipment for it's contribution to pool service in the Seattle-Portland run with NP & GN. (from: www.trainweb.org)


Until the next time!

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:04 AM
AL - Do you have the date info on the GN Western Star with a dome??? When I worked about her in 65 she was all flat tops. Was the dome one from the Empire Builder when that train was shortened for winter service?? or did they get one from either the Q or NP when the off season reduced demand? Thanks for all the great info!!! These forums are a definite education!
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 21, 2006 11:37 AM
Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #36

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Illinois Central (IC)

Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage:

1950: 4,779
1995: 2,732 (including rights)

Locomotives in 1963

Diesels: 629

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 49,226
Passenger cars: 857

Principal routes:

Chicago-New Orleans via Mattoon & Carbondale, IL, & Grenada, MS
Memphis-New Orleans via Vicksburg, MS & Baton Rouge, LA
Memphis-Jackson, MS via Greenwood, MS
Fulton, KY-Birmingham, AL
Freeport-Centralia, IL via Clinton & Vandalia
Chicago-Omaha, NE
Tara (Fort Dodge)-Sioux City, IA
Cherokee, IA-Sioux Falls, SD
Manchester-Cedar Rapids, IA
Waterloo, IA-Albert Lea, MN
Centralia, IL-Madison, WI
Gilman, IL-St. Louis
St. Louis-Du Quoin, IL
Edgewood, IL-Fulton, KY
Fulton-Louisville, KY via Paducah
Effingham, IL-Indianapolis, IN
Mattoon-Peoria, IL via Decatur
Jackson-Gulfport, MS
Meridian, MS-Shreveport, LA

Passenger trains of note:

Chickasaw (Memphis-St. Louis & Chicago)
City of Miami (Chicago & St. Louis-Miami & St. Petersburg, FL; joint with CG, ACL and FEC)
City of New Orleans (Chicago & St. Louis & Louisville-New Orleans)
Daylight (Chicago-St. Louis
Delta Express (Memphis-Vicksburg, MS)
Green Diamond (Chicago-St. Louis)
Hawkeye (Chicago-Sioux City
Iowan (Chicago-Sioux City)
Irvin S. Cobb (Louisville-New Orleans)
Kentucky Cardinal (Louisville-Memphis)
Land O’ Corn (Chicago-Waterloo, IA)
Louisiane (Chicago & St. Louis-New Orleans)
Magnolia Star (Chicago-New Orleans)
Mid-American (Chicago-Memphis)
Night Diamond (Chicago-St. Louis)
Panama Limited (Chicago & St. Louis-New Orleans)
Planter (Louisville-Memphis)
Seminole (Chicago-Jacksonville, FLA via Birmingham & Columbus, GA)
Southwestern Limited & Northeastern Limited (Meridian-Shreveport)


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:37 PM
G’day!

Continuing with my hope that we'll get some conversations going on this thread, here's another 'contribution' to the cause:[swg]

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #46

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Canadian Pacific (CP) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Enjoy a world of service . . . go
Canadian Pacific


Miles and miles of solid
comfort . . . that’s the vast Canadian
Pacific Railway network. East or
West across Canada . . . enjoy
every service on smooth rolling Canadian
Pacific trains! Stop over at luxurious
Canadian Pacific hotels like the
Chateau Lake Louise in the Canadian
Rockies.

. . . . . Superb service! Such comfort . . .
. . . . . aboard sleek Canadian Pacific
. . . . . Princess ships, sailing the Inside
. . . . . Passage to Alaska and the Yukon.
. . . . . Canadian Pacific White Empress
. . . . . ships will sail you to Europe. Soon,
. . . . . Canadian Pacific will fly you to
. . . . . Hawaii, Fiji, New Zealand,
. . . . . Australia, and latger – the Orient!

There’s no place like Eastern
Canada for vacation fun! And you
can’t beat hospitable Canadian
Pacific hotels like Digby Pines in
Nova Scotia for gracious service!
Or visit The Algonquin in New
Brunswick. (These are two of
Nineteen Canadian Pacific hotels
And lodges across Canada!)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Canadian Pacific . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

SPANS THE WORLD – Railways – Steamships – Air Lines – Hotels – Communications – Express


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:27 PM
Reply to Texan 22 the EMPIRE BUILDER gave up a single coach dome beginning the winter season of 1968 to the WESTERN STAR. The domes returned to the EMPIRE BUILDER for the Christmas - New Years travel peak then ran once again in the WESTERN STAR between St. Paul and Seattle only.
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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:37 PM
Ton and Lars To add to the train of tomorrow px i have added this text for all to enjoy.

At the same time CB&Q train #45 was departing Chicago that morning a press conference was being held by GM Vice-President Mr. Cyrus Osborn in Chicago announcing that GM and Pullman Standard had teamed up and were going to build the TRAIN OF TOMORROW as a demonstration train for the country to see.
General Motors itself was impressed enough with the dome idea it was turned over to there design & styling department and Mr. Harley Earl vice-president (famous for the Buick portholes) of styling turned to his staff and turned the idea into three ten foot models complete with clay passengers and crew members to fill them. Thus was born the GM TRAIN OF TOMORROW. These models went on display in 1945 and were exhibited to many railroad presidents and the reaction of these top Railroad executives led to GM awarding a contract to Pullman Standard for four Astra-Dome cars to be pulled by a new matching General Motors EMD E7A unit. The order called for Pullman Standard to build one each Astra-Dome Cars of four car types.
First was an Astra-Dome Coach with seating for 48 on the main car level with bathrooms located beneath the dome, the dome itself seated 24, this car was named STAR DUST.
The second car in the GM TRAIN OF TOMORROW consist was an Astra-Dome dining car with seating at tables for eighteen in the dome arranged three tables for four on one side and three tables for two on the other. The main floor dining room of SKY VIEW as the Astra-Dome dining car was named seated 24 on the main level. The seating in the main dining room on the main level of the car to the rear of the dome dining room was arranged with four triangular tables for four on one side and four triangular tables for two on the other side. The Kitchen was located at the other end of the cars main floor. Food prepared in the Kitchen located in the cars forward main level area traveled by an electric Dumbwaiter at the front of the dome to the smart waiter (the one who received the tips) in the dome. Beneath the dome in the depressed area of SKY VIEW was located a private dining room for ten passengers. Total dining accommodation was provided for 52.
The third Astra-Dome was a sleeping car, providing 24 seats in the dome, the same as the coach. The sleeping accommodation of DREAM CLOUD as the car was named was unusual providing two three berth Drawing Rooms forward of the dome on the main level, beneath the dome was three compartments. On the main level to the rear of the dome was the location for eight duplex roomettes. Thus as a sleeping car Astra-Dome DREAM CLOUD was built with a maximum sleeping car capacity of twenty. The DREAM CLOUD never operated in revenue service as a sleeping car instead after sale to the Union Pacific along with the other three Astra-Dome cars that comprised the TRAIN OF TOMORROW it served as a parlor car. All space was sold at parlor car rates in DREAM CLOUD on its daily Portland-Seattle round trips.
The fourth Astra-Dome in the GM TRAIN OF TOMORROW was a Lounge Observation, again with 24 seats in the dome. This car MOON GLOW featured 44 lounge seats in singles and sofas on the main level and beneath the dome and two bars served the cocktail lounges ahead of and beneath the dome. The area of the main level to the rear of the dome in the beautifully rounded Observation end was strictly a lounge area.
Honors for the first factory built dome coach, dome diner, dome sleeping car, and dome lounge observation went to Pullman Standard. For it was Pullman Standard who designed and built the entire GM TRAIN OF TOMORROW Astra-Dome ASTRA-LINER and proved the concept of the depressed main level section beneath the dome was feasible and had the necessary strength and robustness for railroad use. Ironically Pullman Standard would never build another dome sleeping car or dome dining car, at least not one with kitchen facilities anyway.
The beautiful blue and stainless steel ASTRA-LINER TRAIN OF TOMORROW was first displayed outside Chicago’s Soldier Field May 28, 1947. Two days prior to its public debut at Soldier Field May 26-27, 1947, the TRAIN OF TOMORROW made its first test sortie operating a 560 mile round trip over the Chicago, Indianapolis and Louisville (Monon) to their famous French Lick resort in Indiana from Chicago and return. Ironically the Monon that hosted the GM TRAIN OF TOMORROW on this test run would never own a dome.
After a week in Chicago on public display the GM TRAIN OF TOMORROW departed on a 65,000-mile exhibition tour of the country visiting every major city in the United States that had the necessary clearances for the extended height cars. The exhibition tour was completed in December 1949 and the train sat outside Pullman Standard in Chicago until March 1950.

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:47 AM
G'day!

Here’s an interesting “Poster” some may find of interest:

Milwaukee Road montage (from: www.trainweb.org):


Note: If this doesn’t enlarge, click on the URL:
http://www.trainweb.org/hiawatha/opening.html


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, January 22, 2006 11:55 AM
Nice work Al - once again a fine effort and much appreciated![tup] I suugest that you Post it over at the bar AFTER I run the Train of Tomorrow pix. Would fit in quite nicely as a Monday input, fer sure, fer sure![tup]

Almost time for today's NFL playoff game, so I'm outtahere![swg]

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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, January 23, 2006 6:19 AM
Tom the Montage of Milwaukee photos show the postwar MORNING and AFTERNOON HIAWATHA Parlor Lounge Sktop Observations with 24 Parlor Seats and a five sest Parlor Drawing Room. These four cars were built in Milwaukee Road shops and were numbered and named
186 CEDAR RAPIDS
187 COON RAPIDS
188 DELL RAPIDS
189 PRIEST RAPIDS

All were saved except for the burnt out car. Wiil have to look up in my records which car that was.
Three of the other pictures were of Milwaukee Super Domes one in Milwaukee Colors one in CN colors and the third looks to be in CSX colors will have to do some record digging on the third one.

The other Observation is one of the Milwaukee Road Beavvertail obs from 2935 HIAWATHA either WENONAH or NOKOMIS both were later rebuilt to Express Cars and the last picture is an Express car as Milwaukee referred to their baggage cars.

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, January 23, 2006 7:39 AM
Morning Al

Appreciate the info ... why not Post it at the bar[?] That montage was also provided for Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Catch ya later ...

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, January 23, 2006 11:16 AM
Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #37

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Chesapeake & Ohio (C&O)

Headquarters: Richmond, VA

Mileage in 1950:

5,343 (including ferries)

Locomotives in 1963:

Steam: 3 (fireless “cookers”)
Diesel: 1,053

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 92,992
Passenger cars: 324

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Cincinnati, OH-Ashland, KY-Staunton, VA-Newport News, VA
Gordonsville, VA-Washington, DC
Clifton Forge-Richmond VA
Ashland-Louisville, KY
Limeville (Ashland)-Columbus, OH-Toledo, OH
Columbus-Pomeroy, OH
Catlettsburg (Ashland)-Elkhorn City, KY
Ronceverte-Durbin & Bartow, WV
Chicago-Grand Rapids, MI-Detroit, MI-St. Thomas, ON-Buffalo & Niagra Falls, NY
Grand Rapids-Petoskey & Bay View, MI
Erieau, ON-Ludington, MI
Ludington-Milwaukee & Manitowoc & Kewaunee, WI (ferry routes to each from Ludington)
Toledo-Bay City, MI
Port Huron-Bay City-Elmdale, MI
Holland-Muskegon-Hart, MI

Passenger trains of note:

George Washington (Washington & Newport News-Cincinnati & Louisville)
F.F.V. (Washington & Newport News-Cincinnati & Louisville)
Sportsman (Washington & Newport News-Cincinnati & Detroit)
Pere Marquettes (Detroit-Grand Rapids; Chicago-Grand Rapids & Muskegon; Detroit-Saginaw, MI)
Resort Special (Chicago-Petoskey; later, Washington-White Sulphur Springs, WV)


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, January 23, 2006 12:18 PM
Tom will include another book forward for those interested.

STREAMLINED COACHES OF THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA
By Al

INTRODUCTION

The lightweight streamlined Coach brought a degree of dignity and comfort to this means of travel so long neglected in the heavyweight era and earlier. Their were a few railroads that made changes to heavyweight era coaches that made this means of travel more comfortable but those railroads were few and far between. Generally speaking throughout the heavyweight era of rail travel the coach passenger was forced to travel in a crowded car with small washrooms, cold drinking water was rare and for those coaches with cold drinking water machines the paper cup from a dispenser alongside was a cent or two. In those days a Hershey Chocolate bar sold for a cent as well. Even scarcer was finding a coach during the heavyweight era with air conditioning, and after finding one did the air conditioning actually work. The
Railroads paid much greater attention to their first class trade with ice water machines with free paper cups, linen headrests, crisp fre***owels, individual bars of soap, large dressing rooms attached to large rest rooms, and by 1936 many of the first class cars were air conditioned. Those passengers who could afford to travel in either Parlor or sleeping car were treated quite well, far better than today’s airline traveler is. Anyone traveling in a coach for more than two hours on a hot summer day during the heavyweight era would certainly arrive in a bedraggled state to say the least without air conditioning or any of the other niceties. While a passenger traveling on the same train in an air conditioned Parlor car would arrive as fresh as the proverbial daisy.
Most heavyweight era cars traveled on six wheel trucks although several railroads owned coaches that ran on four-wheel trucks. Many of these were holdovers from the wooden car era and if one looked closely beneath the steel sheathing, evidence of the cars wooden origins was usually evident.
Seats in most heavyweight era coaches were generally speaking of the flip over back type making it simple to ready the car for the return journey by simply flipping the seat backs opposite to the position they arrived in. Another popular type of seating during this period were the paired seats on a central pedestal that turned completely, these offered a little more comfort as the backs usually reclined a couple of notches from the straight up and down position. Stuffing in these seats and backs was usually straw or horsehair with the most uncomfortable springs ever devised by man to torture his fellow man. All of this was covered with smooth easily washable leather or leatherette type material guaranteed to cause a person to slip off as soon as that one position of reasonable comfort was achieved. Finally a material seat covering was introduced that a person wouldn’t slip off of, but it was guaranteed to leave you itching for many hours after leaving the train after trying to sleep in one of these seats overnight.
Generally heavyweight coaches seated between fifty-eight and eighty passengers in anything but reasonable comfort. No such thing as a footrest could even be found on the majority of these heavyweight coaches, and for those with a footrest it was rare indeed if it was adjustable. It is said that the only persons capable of a nights sleep in one of these coaches was a baby in mothers arms or the traveling drummer (salesman) of whom it has been said could sleep standing up if required to do so.
For those passengers making a trip of a couple days duration or more some trains offered the Tourist Sleeper a car not quite up to Pullman car status but offering either fourteen or sixteen Sections for coach fare plus a nominal upper or lower berth charge. Generally speaking these were old Pullman section sleeping cars sold to the railroads and manned by the railroads own car attendants or in some cases they were actually Pullman owned and operated Tourist sleepers. Few Tourist sleeping cars lasted much past the late 1940s and only three North American railroads either built there own streamlined tourist sleepers or remodeled older cars giving them a streamlined appearance for service in the 1950s Canadian National Railways, Canadian Pacific Railway, and the Milwaukee Road.
The first appearance of true coach luxury in heavyweight cars debuted in the late 1930s in the heavyweight coaches of the C&O with two seats on one side of the center aisle and a single seat on the other side of the center aisle. These coaches seated 36 passengers and are generally recognized as the first true luxury coaches of the heavyweight era. These cars also introduced large rest rooms with a smoking lounge connected to each rest room. But for most passengers’ luxury coach travel would not be available until the lightweight streamlined coaches began making their appearance in the middle 1930’s. The heavyweight coaches of many railroads were often quite shabby in appearance both externally and internally. The interiors often had pealing paint, dirty floors as if the car cleaning crews and maintenance crews had neglected them, that was certainly the case with many of these cars during the depression and on some roads the practice of car neglect in the area of cleanliness continued. It wasn’t until the nations highways began to improve and inter-city buses began carrying more of these coach passengers, that the railroads finally woke up to the fact that the inter-city coach passenger contributed a great deal to a railroads bottom line. Remember these revenues did not have to be split with Pullman. But being typical of railroad arrogance at the time, inaction was the chosen course until it nearly became to late. They initially did nothing to counter the threat posed by inter-city buses with many railroads themselves becoming inter-city bus operators. For several railroads buses would play an important role for travel over the less popular routes and were certainly cheaper to operate than even the Doodlebugs. What with the bus requiring but a driver who not only drove but assisted the passengers in boarding and loaded the luggage, while the Doodlebugs required at least three, four or more crew. At the same time more and more people were beginning a love affair with the family automobile for many trips between cities. This was at a time when sweeping improvements in buses, automobiles and the nations highway system were all occurring simultaneously. Not forgetting to mention a fledgling Airline industry that was struggling with its very existence during this same period of time. If not for the Mail contracts enjoyed by the infant airline industry it is doubtful if they could have made it with passenger revenues alone. The Railroads almost waited to long to notice the changes occurring in many cases right alongside the railroads right of way, with many of the new highways choosing the same path as the railroads had selected earlier when they were built.
Many heavyweight trains were Mail and Express trains with a rider coach or two bringing up the markers being provided for passengers. These Mail and Express trains generally stopped everywhere and spent many minutes loading and unloading Mail and express before proceeding to the next town and another stop. Passengers were welcome to ride the Mail and Express trains Rider coach, but don’t expect even the water tanks to have been filled in many instances. Many passengers rode these trains, as they were the only trains that stopped at their small city or town. The smart passengers were those that only rode the Mail and Express train between the small cities or town they boarded in and a larger city that offered more choices of trains to ride. These rider coaches were generally the oldest steel coaches a railroad owned and their last assignment before maintenance of way service or scrap was operating on these Mail and Express trains. These coaches rarely had a window that one could see through due to the years of accumulated dirt and grime, another use for these older coaches was on the rear of a branch line mixed train that required more passenger capacity than a single combination Baggage Coach provided. It almost seemed as if many railroads were reluctant to purchase heavyweight coaches and in many cases they purchased old Pullmans and stripped the interior rebuilding these cars to coaches.
All heavyweight coaches were built with a vestibule at each end whereas in the case of the lightweight streamlined cars only Jim Crow or divided coaches, and certain prewar lightweight coaches were built with two vestibules. In the case of the Jim Crow Coaches and some prewar Canadian National and Canadian Pacific coaches that divided a smoking and non-smoking seating areas the two compartments were separated by a partition and door across the car. In the case of the Jim Crow cars each of these compartments had their own rest rooms with a vestibule at each end. The other lightweight cars to have two vestibules were commuter type cars. As the heavyweight coaches were replaced by lightweights the older cars ended up in the roads secondary trains, and for those that were already assigned to secondary trains they were passed to commuter, branch line, or Mail and Express train service. The last step for these old heavyweight Coaches was transfer to Maintenance of Way service or the scrap line. Once the streamline era really began in earnest during the late 1930’s few Railroads would order further heavyweight coaches. The M-K-T probably purchased the last twenty-five heavyweight coaches 901-925 from American Car & Foundry Company in 1937. The railroads purchased 425 parlor cars from Pullman in 1942 for conversion to coaches after the War Department turned thumbs down on such a large quantity of these cars being allowed to operate with there limited seating capacity and coaches were capable of accommodating so many more. This really represented a windfall for the railroads as no new cars were permitted to be constructed during the war and for Pullman to release so many of these parlor cars for conversion to coaches early in the war would see the railroads through to the end of the war. Even so many cars that had been slated for maintenance of way service or scrapping were pressed into service for the duration of WW II. Many of these cars were already sitting on rip tracks at the beginning of the war and with a minimum of work were returned to service. Heavyweight coaches were built by car builders Pullman, American Car & Foundry, Barney & Smith, Bethlehem Steel, Canadian Car & Foundry, National Steel Car Company, and many more were even railroad rebuilt from other types of heavyweight cars.
Heavyweight coaches featured Harriman Style Roofs (rounded), as well as the more traditional Clerestory roofs, with even the flat almost streamlined roof making its appearance toward the end of the heavyweight era. Most popular colors for the old heavyweight coaches were Pullman Green and Pullman Red while yet other roads tried variations of Maroon and Dark Green. Most railroads first class equipment and Pullman cars received Gold Leaf or Dulux Gold lettering of car names and numbers, but this was not the case with the lowly coach they received yellow lettering of the railroads name and car numbers after all gold leaf or Dulux Gold was expensive.
The layout of most trains during the heavyweight era was head end cars first trailing the locomotive tender, coaches, a diner, and in the case of many daylight trains a Parlor car or two. Santa Fe operated many trains during the heavyweight era with a Café Observation bringing up the markers a real treat for coach passengers. The overnight trains generally carried Pullmans to the rear of the Dining Car with a Lounge Observation sometimes complete with Barber and Valet service brought up the markers but these cars were only for the benefit of first class passengers.
The first indication that improvements were coming for the coach passenger came from the east, namely the Central of New Jersey Railroad when they inaugurated their BLUE COMETS February 21, 1929 between New York City and Atlantic City twice daily in both directions. Here was a train specially designed and rebuilt from existing heavyweight cars for coach passengers only. Thirteen cars were selected for rebuilding for BLUE COMET service two Baggage cars, two Baggage Smoking combinations with 48 revenue seats, six coaches with 64 revenue seats, one 36 seat Dining car (operated in trains during meal hours only), and two Open Platform Observations with 48 armchairs. All coaches were carpeted and the seats were covered in Persian Blue Mohair to compliment the exterior blues applied to the BLUE COMET cars. The exterior of the remodeled cars was finished in two shades of Blue with a Cream painted window band separating the two blues. All lettering and numbers were Gold Leaf. This was truly America’s first deluxe all coach train service and except for the timing of its introduction just before the stock market crash and subsequent great depression the BLUE COMET would probably have been successful. Unfortunately the BLUE COMET trains were soon discontinued during the depression and even after they were never reinstated.
Interesting that the second heavyweight deluxe coach train was an almost exact copy of the BLUE COMET named the MOTOR QUEEN. The new MOTOR QUEEN operated between Detroit and Cincinnati providing daily service in each direction. The two five car trains were remodeled heavyweights painted Blue with a Cream painted window band separating the blue. All lettering and numbering was again Gold leaf. Each of the two train sets operated with five cars a Baggage 48 revenue seat coach combination, two 64 revenue seat Coaches, a 24 seat Dining 18 seat Lounge Car, and the final car in each consist was a Open Platform Observation with 48 plush armrest seats. These two train sets were also replaced during the great depression but at least an attempt had been made at offering coach passengers some luxury by at least two railroads.
The Northern Pacific Railway received five and the CB&Q one of a new coach type in 1935 for service in the jointly operated NORTH COAST LIMITED. Each NORTH COAST LIMITED train set received one of the new coaches that featured 56 reclining revenue seats with an 8 seat-smoking lounge. Seating in these cars was generally assigned to the first 56 passengers traveling between Seattle and Chicago in each direction. With only one of these cars per consist Portland passengers were excluded. All cars in the NORTH COAST LIMITED at that time except for a Sleeping car were through Chicago - Seattle cars. The one sleeper was a Portland car that was forwarded to and from Pasco by the Spokane Portland & Seattle Railway jointly owned by the Great Northern Railway and Northern Pacific Railway, but all coach passengers to and from Portland changed trains to the SP&S train. These cars closely resembled streamlined cars as they had a flat roof and large square double paned sealed windows, two vestibules, fully air conditioned, and rode on 4 wheel trucks.
The Great Northern Railway took note of the new coaches purchased by the Northern Pacific Railway for NORTH COAST LIMITED service. When the Great Northern received new Coaches 938-949 in 1937 they were much different instead of being flat roofed they were round roof and except for the six Wheel trucks and riveted construction were considered stream-lined. A single vestibule, with 58 plush reclining revenue seats and a cheerful bright interior assured these cars their streamliner status. Each car was lettered for the EMPIRE BUILDER and the luxury coaches as they were called in company literature and advertising were assigned two per consist to the Great Northern Railways finest the EMPIRE BUILDER. One of these cars was a Chicago - Seattle car the other a Chicago – Portland car with the SP&S forwarding this car to and from Portland by way of Spokane. These cars would be among the first cars repainted following WW II in the new EMPIRE BUILDER colors of Omaha Orange and Pullman Green with the Dulux Gold striping and lettering. The cars were assigned to other train duties after the 1947 equipping of the EMPIRE BUILDER with all new streamlined train sets and would not be retired as a group until 1970.
The first successful lightweight streamlined coaches made their appearance in the two articulated streamliners of 1934. The first of these was the Union Pacific’s Pullman Standard built EMC powered M-10000 later to be named the CITY OF SALINA delivered in February, 1934. The other streamliner of 1934 was the Chicago Burlington and Quincy Railroads 9900 ZEPHYR delivered by Budd in May 1934. These were America’s first truly successful streamliners. Several earlier experimental trains one dating back to 1900 on the B&O another a 1929 CGW trains will be covered in their respective chapters. The two western roads that took the plunge into streamlining first the Union Pacific with their M-10000 CITY OF SALINA and the Burlington with the 9900 ZEPHYR later renamed PIONEER ZEPHYR were both considered major successes. Even though the Union Pacific train would be retired and scrapped in 1941 for its Aluminum needed for the war effort, in actual truth the Union Pacific retired the train due to its own success. The train as the CITY OF SALINA began each day in Salina, Kansas and ran to Kansas City. Later it made a round trip from Kansas City to Topeka and then returned to Salina completing its day’s work. The articulated consist was partly its downfall for the CITY OF SALINA route outgrew the train with a steam hauled replacement with more cars for additional capacity taking over the route. The Union Pacific was also not enamored with the power choice of the M-10000 it was a distillate engine producing 600 horsepower. The 9900 PIONEER ZEPHYR was retired in 1960 and transferred to the Museum of Science and Industry on Chicago’s Lake Shore where it has recently returned after a nearly year long restoration and is now displayed inside a new parking facility adjoining the Museum.
The two streamliners differed in materials used in their construction the M-10000 CITY OF SALINA was built of Duraluminum a derivative of ordinary Aluminum but much stronger developed for airship construction and the aircraft industry. It was stronger than ordinary Aluminum and was easily cold shaped. The frame and center sill of the cars, as well as the trucks and wheels were constructed of steel, as were the engine motor mounts and that framing around the engine. The 9900 PIONEER ZEPHYR was constructed of stainless steel shot welded together. The two articulated trains were very close in weight with the CITY OF SALINA slightly longer with larger passenger capacity. The 9900 PIONEER ZEPHYR was the faster of the two and was also the only true diesel powered train set with a 600 HP Winton Diesel powering the Electric Generator that supplied power to the traction motors. As mentioned earlier the M-10000 CITY OF SALINA featured a 600 HP distillate engine a type of power plant installed in many EMC built motorcars. The CITY OF SALINA was the only streamliner ever equipped with a distillate engine.
The major problem with these early streamliners was they were articulated, and that fact meant that when extra capacity was needed there was none available as nothing else on the road was compatible.
The Santa Fe would take a different approach to streamlining with a single 52 revenue seat lightweight stream-lined Stainless Steel Coach 3070 being delivered by Budd in January, 1936. This car established the 13’ 6” standard height for lightweight streamlined cars; this cars width was 10’, which became standard for lightweight streamlined cars. The length was 85’ which also became standard although this latter figure varied somewhat with certain Railway Post Office cars having an overall length of 60’ while other lightweight streamlined cars ran 77’ – 80’ and 85’ in length. The height and width dimensions permitted the new car to be used with any heavyweight car by simply coupling them together, steam lines, signal lines, air lines and coupler height standards had all been established long before Santa Fe took delivery of Coach 3070. These dimensions allowed the diaphragms of heavyweight and lightweight cars to be an almost perfect match. The Santa Fe Railways approach to streamlining would eventually become the standard for the railroad industry, Diesel Electric Locomotives for power and individual non-articulated lightweight streamlined cars. In the case of the Santa Fe for the most part they would choose cars of Stainless steel or sheathed in stainless steel owning only a few sleeping cars and a number of Baggage Cars that were smooth sided cars of Cor-ten Steel. Many other roads selected the less expensive Aluminum or Cor-ten steel cars painted in the new color schemes adopted by that particular railroad. For many railroads the streamline era ushered in a new paint scheme along with the new diesels and lightweight streamlined cars. In fact it has been said that the Diesel design men at La Grange and Schenectady would design most of the railroads new paint schemes. Many of these railroads had one paint scheme for their passenger diesels and lightweight streamlined passenger cars and another for just their Freight Diesels. Streamlined Steam Locomotives and tenders would be assigned to pull many of the early streamlined passenger trains. In the case of the Santa Fe their finest the SUPER CHIEF would be assigned diesel power while the streamlined consists of the CHIEF were assigned modern steam power not streamlined steam power between 1938 and 1945 before finally being dieselized. Roads like the Milwaukee Road, New York Central, Pennsylvania, and Southern Pacific would operate their prewar streamliners with modern streamlined steam power until after WW II. And roads like the Norfolk and Western were even reluctant to give up on steam for they’re streamlined train until the latter half of the 1950s.
Lightweight streamlined coaches and train sets were built by American Car & Foundry, Bombardier, Budd Company, Canadian Car & Foundry, Canadian Vickers, General Motors, Goodyear Zeppelin Corporation, Hawker Siddeley Canada Limited, Montreal Locomotive Works, National Steel Car Company, Pacific Railway Equipment, Pressed Steel Car Company, Pullman Standard, and the Rohr Corporation. All constructed more than one streamlined coach during the lightweight streamlined era. Foreign built lightweight streamlined cars and equipment came to North American Railroads from France, Japan, Netherlands, South Korea, and Switzerland. Those railroads who rebuilt older heavyweight cars into streamlined cars or built new lightweight streamlined cars in their own shops were the Atlantic Coast Line (ACL), Baltimore and Ohio (B&O), Canadian National (CN), Canadian Pacific (CP), Chicago Milwaukee St. Paul and Pacific (CMStP&P). The Great Northern (GN), Gulf Mobile & Ohio (GM&O), Illinois Central (IC), Louisville & Nashville (L&N), Lehigh Valley (LV), Nashville Chattanooga & St. Louis (NC&StL), New York Central (NYC), New York New Haven & Hartford (NYNH&H), Pennsylvania (PRR), Reading (RRR), and the St. Louis – San Francisco (StLSF) all of these railroads could count themselves among those railroads that rebuilt heavyweight cars into streamlined cars or who built new streamlined cars from the ground up.
Probably one of the best known and most successful early coach train operations was introduced by the Union Pacific and Chicago and North-western Railroads on August 21, 1935 named the CHALLENGER, they operated between Chicago and Los Angeles daily. The CHALLENGER was the first attempt to offer long distance coach passengers some of the amenities offered to first class passengers in an economy train. The Union Pacific had suffered a major drop in coach rider ship, and with it revenue during the great depression. The thinking was the concept of the CHALLENGER might be a way to recoup some of this lost business and revenue. Union Pacific management was convinced that by offering an all coach train with some of the amenities offered first class passengers only in the past might be the way to attract new riders and bring back old riders to the trains. Not only did the new CHALLENGERS restore the lost coach revenue, but also within a year was the most profitable passenger operation on the Railroad. Initially the trains were made up of old heavyweight cars refurbished for the new service offering Coach, economy dining cars and Tourist Sleeping cars. So pleased with the initial years operation of the CHALLENGER were the two operating roads that the Union Pacific rebuilt an additional sixty cars (47 Coaches, 5 Dining Cars, and 16 Tourist Sleepers) for the 1936 edition of the CHALLENGER beginning May 15, 1936.
The CHALLENGER offered a stewardess nurse who proved especially helpful to Mothers traveling with infants and smaller children, the CHALLENGER provided at least one coach in each consist for the exclusive use of Women and Children traveling together. Where most overnight trains were charging coach passengers a nickel or dime for pillow rental the new CHALLENGER provided free pillow service. The CHALLENGER was the first long distance coach train in the United States that all cars were fully air-conditioned. The CHALLENGER was the first train to provide subdued Blue lighting in the coaches for the nocturnal parts of the trip. Of course white lighting was provided for those passengers who wished to read by individual lights above each seat. All seats in the rebuilt CHALLENGER coaches were equipped with individually adjustable seat backs and the cushions were covered in a Scottish plaid covering to signify thrift. Each seat back headrest was covered with a fresh white linen headrest cover changed daily with the trains name Challenger embroidered in Red script on those headrest covers. The Dining Car served extremely reasonable priced meals and in no time became quite popular with the thrifty minded passengers. Rather than assign a separate Lounge Car the Dining Cars were used for this purpose during non-meal hours. Eventually the trains would have separate Lounge cars assigned beginning in April 1937. The CHALLENGER heavyweight coaches, dining cars, lounges, and Tourist Sleeping Cars were painted Olive Green with Gold Leaf lettering and with the words Challenger in Red Script centered on the car sides below the windows. The CHALLENGER continued to grow with the Union Pacific assigning all available cars to CHALLENGER service after rebuilding and refurbishing including many of their Harriman type cars. The Union Pacific – Chicago and North Western – Southern Pacific introduced a second CHALLENGER between Chicago and San Francisco on September 15, 1937. This coincided with the delivery of the first lightweight streamlined cars purchased for assignment to the CHALLENGER. There were 48 revenue seat lightweight streamlined Coaches delivered for all three CHALLENGER owners C&NW 6132-6147, UP 5300-5327, and SP 2424-2429. Fifty seat articulated paired lightweight streamlined coaches were delivered to the Southern Pacific 2414-2415, 2416-2417. Also 56 Revenue seat lightweight streamlined Coaches with stewardess - nurse quarters for the C&NW 6160-6166 and UP 5200-5211. The final group of cars delivered at that time were five Twin Unit Dining cars delivered to the Union Pacific numbers 5100-5104. The Twin Unit Dining cars were assigned to the LOS ANGELES CHALLENGER pool of cars while the coaches could be found mixed with heavyweights in the consists of both the LOS ANGELES CHALLENGER and the SAN FRANCISCO CHALLENGER. The new cars delivered to the C&NW for CHALLENGER service were painted the same Olive Green paint as the UP and SP CHALLENGER cars but instead of Gold Leaf lettering on the Olive Green like the UP and SP used. The CHALLENGER cars the C&NW owned were lettered using yellow paint with two narrow yellow paint stripes running the length of their cars one above the windows the other below the windows. Even this influx of new cars would not be enough to stem the demand for space on the CHALLENGERS and Pullman supplied an additional forty Tourist Sleeping Cars for the CHALLENGERS. This became one of the few instances Pullman owned Tourist Sleeping cars actually carried a train name in this instance THE CHALLENGER on there sides as all other cars assigned to this service carried. So successful were the CHALLENGERS that on many summer days they departed with two and even three sections of the LOS ANGELES CHALLENGER and SAN FRANCISCO CHALLENGER. Demand for seats on the CHALLENGERS sometimes forced the operators of the CHALLENGERS to use equipment that was not up to the trains standards and in most of those cases the cars were assigned to the short trip passengers.
Rival Santa Fe on the Chicago – Los Angeles route received thirty 60 Revenue seat lightweight streamlined stainless steel coaches from Budd for assignment to that roads SCOUT the closest competitor to the CHALLENGER. The Santa Fe SCOUT was a daily economy train that differed from the CHALLENGER in that it carried first class Pullman Sleeping cars over part of its route. But the Tourist Sleeping cars carried by the SCOUT were not only through cars but additional cars of this type were added in route on the westbound SCOUT. The SCOUTS economy diner was open to both first class and coach passengers. The SCOUT and LOS ANGELES CHALLENGER matched the others time keeping thus offering passengers a choice of routes between Chicago and Los Angeles. The Santa Fe SCOUT was always considered a heavyweight train and other than the lightweight streamlined Budd coaches the SCOUT would never become more streamlined than that. Where its closest rival the Union Pacific LOS ANGELES CHALLENGER after being discontinued following WW II would be reinstated in the 1950s as a lightweight streamlined CHALLENGER, serving as a rival to the Santa Fe EL CAPITAN a premium service coach train rather than as an economy train.
By December 1936 there was twenty-seven lightweight streamlined trains in service all carrying coaches and many of the trains were fully articulated or partially articulated. These 27 trains are listed below:

UNION PACIFIC

M-1000 CITY OF SALINA fully articulated 3-car train delivered February 1934 entered scheduled service January 31, 1935 between Salina and Kansas City round trip daily.

M-10001 CITY OF PORTLAND fully articulated delivered October 1934 entered scheduled service June 6, 1935 between Chicago and Portland ten times monthly.

M-10002 CITY OF LOS ANGELES fully articulated entered scheduled service May 15, 1936 between Chicago and Los Angeles ten times monthly.
M-10004 CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO fully articulated entered scheduled service June 14, 1936 between Chicago and San Francisco ten times monthly.
M-10005 CITY OF DENVER M-10006 CITY OF DENVER partly articulated entered scheduled service June 18, 1936 overnight every night in both directions between Chicago and Denver.

CHICAGO BURLINGTON & QUINCY

9900 PIONEER ZEPHYR fully articulated delivered May, 1934 entered scheduled service November 11, 1934 between Lincoln and Kansas City round trip daily.

9901 TWIN ZEPHYR 9902 TWIN ZEPHYR fully articulated entered scheduled service April 21, 1935 one round trip daily between Chicago and Minneapolis later increased to two round trips daily.

9903 MARK TWAIN ZEPHYR fully articulated entered scheduled service October 28, 1935 one round trip daily St. Louis to Burlington.

9904 ZEPHYR TRAIN OF THE GODDESSES 9905 ZEPHYR TRAIN OF THE GODS fully articulated entered scheduled service December 18, 1936 between Chicago and Minneapolis two round trips daily.

9906 DENVER ZEPHYR 9907 DENVER ZEPHYR partly articulated entered scheduled service November 7, 1936 between Chicago and Minneapolis two daily round trips.

ILLINOIS CENTRAL

121 GREEN DIAMOND fully articulated entered scheduled service May 17, 1936 between Chicago and St. Louis round trip daily.

CHICAGO MILWAUKEE ST. PAUL & PACIFIC

1-2 HIAWATHAS not articulated entered scheduled service May 29, 1935 between Chicago and Minneapolis round trip daily

3-4 HIAWATHAS not articulated entered scheduled service October 11, 1936 between Chicago and Minneapolis round trip daily

NEW YORK CENTRAL

MERCURY non-articulated entered scheduled service July 15, 1936 between Cleveland and Detroit round trip daily.

NEW YORK NEW HAVEN & HARTFORD

COMET fully articulated bi-directional entered scheduled service June 5, 1935 between Providence and Boston seven round trips daily.

BESLER non-articulated bi-directional entered scheduled service September 12, 1936 between Bridgeport and Hartford three round trips daily.

ALTON

ABRAHAM LINCOLN non-articulated entered scheduled service July 1, 1935 between Chicago and St. Louis round trip daily.

BALTIMORE & OHIO

ROYAL BLUE non-articulated entered scheduled service June 24, 1935 between New York and Washington round trip daily.

MAINE CENTRAL/BOSTON & MAINE

6000 FLYING YANKEE fully articulated delivered February, 1935 entered scheduled service April 1, 1935 between Boston and Bangor round trip daily.

GULF MOBILE & NORTHERN

352 REBEL 353 REBEL non-articulated entered scheduled service July 10, 1935 between Jackson and New Orleans round trip overnight.

The one thing the above trains all had in common was coach accommodation although only a few of the above trains were actually all coach trains, those trains were the M-10000 CITY OF SALINA, 9900 PIONEER ZEPHYR, 9903 MARK TWAIN ZEPHYR, COMET, BESLER and 6000 FLYING YANKEE. Others were for both Coach and Parlor car service the 9901-9902 TWIN ZEPHYRS, 9904 ZEPHYR TRAIN OF THE GODDESSES, 9905 ZEPHYR TRAIN OF THE GODS, GREEN DIAMOND, HIAWATHA'S, MERCURY, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, and ROYAL BLUE.
The CITY OF PORTLAND, CITY OF LOS ANGELES, CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO, CITY OF DENVERS, and REBELS all provided Coach and Pullman Sleeping car accommodation.
The DENVER ZEPHYRS were the only trains that provided Coach, Parlor, and Pullman Sleeping car accommodation. The only trains in the previously mentioned groups whose cars could simply be uncoupled and coupled were the HIAWATHAS, MERCURY, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, ROYAL BLUE, and the CITY OF DENVER. The REBELS could simply be coupled and uncoupled but they were not compatible with any other equipment. After December 1936 all lightweight streamlined passenger equipment would be compatible for coupling and going from car to car. Cars would no longer be articulated in more than three car sets, and in most cases pairs only with the vast majority of all lightweight streamlined cars delivered after December, 1936 single cars. In the 1950’s the railroads would once again experiment with lightweight low center of gravity trains that were incompatible with the rest of the railroads passenger equipment, and from time to time thereafter these lightweight streamlined experiments continue to surface for another look. Recently in 1999, new TALGO trains entered service in the Northwest built for State agencies and operated by Amtrak. Branding these as experimental is probably unfair as after their early trials in the United States they went on to Spain where the TALGO type became very successful. The latest trains to enter service in the United States are the ACELA trains operating in the Northeast corridor at speeds up to 150 miles per hour.
Prior to WW II there was a number of Coach streamliners built and placed in service in different regions of the country for overnight operation. These trains for the most part were seven-car train sets built by Budd or Pullman Standard and either pulled by a single 2,000 hp passenger diesel or in many cases streamlined steam locomotives generally a 4-6-2 Pacific. The three things these trains all had in common was comfortable reclining seats in the coaches, clean modern dining cars, and attractive lounge cars. Many of these trains borrowed an idea from the CHALLENGERS (originally introduced on the GM&O REBELS) and introduced stewardess nurses or train hostesses and some even went so far as to assign one coach for Women and Children traveling together. It’s to bad Amtrak and VIA Rail Canada haven’t tried this women with children coach idea, but then some would say times have changed and at least in the United States the American Civil Liberties Union would have a field day with that idea. After all if all the screaming kids and their mothers were assigned or confined to one coach or two then they could disturb one another and permit the rest of the coach passengers to have some peace and quiet. But unfortunately the American Civil Liberty Union Lawyers in this country would rather force all passengers to suffer someone else’s children equally.
The routes of these very popular coach streamliners were between New York City and both coasts of Florida by two routes SILVER METEOR (PRR, RF&P, SAL), and CHAMPION (PRR, RF&P, ACL, FEC), New York City and New Orleans (PRR, SOU). Between Chicago and Florida by three different routes CITY OF MIAMI (IC, C of G, FEC), SOUTH WIND (PRR, L&N, ACL, FEC), and DIXIE FLAGLER (C&EI, L&N, NC&StL, AB&C, ACL, FEC).
Other lengthy coach operations would be introduced before WW II such as the PRR TRAILBLAZER overnight between Chicago and New York City, not to be outdone the NYC introduced an all coach overnight train between Chicago and New York on the same date the PACEMAKER. This latter train was a heavyweight and would not be completely streamlined until after WW II. The Baltimore and Ohio Railroads COLUMBIAN became a Jersey City to Chicago overnight coach train days before WW II began. The PRR was the only one of the three railroads with New York City – St. Louis routes (NYC-B&O-PRR) to offer a coach streamliner between those two points the JEFFERSONIAN introduced in 1941 using rebuilt heavyweight cars stream-lined in Altoona Shops for this train.
The Santa Fe offered a deluxe streamlined Coach service between Chicago and Los Angeles in the same 39-3/4 hours as the All Pullman SUPER CHIEF naming the new coach consists EL CAPITAN. The EL CAPITAN was nineteen hours faster westbound and twenty-one hours faster eastbound than the SCOUT or the UP LOS ANGELES CHALLENGER and therefore an extra fare was charged to ride the faster train. The EL CAPITAN trains were an immediate hit with the traveling public and quickly grew from their humble five car beginnings with a passenger capacity of 186 to eight cars with a capacity of 366. Before WW II the EL CAPITAN would increase by a third train set thus providing every other day service in each direction. The EL CAPITAN will be more fully covered in the Santa Fe Chapter of this book. We will mention here that from those first five car train sets the EL CAPITAN went on to become the finest all coach daily long distance train in the world until 1971.
By the beginning of WW II most railroads in the United States and Canada owned some streamlined cars or in many cases complete streamlined trains. Nearly every region of the country witnessed the passing of lightweight streamlined passenger trains, not always daily for many of the prewar streamliners were in such short supply that some trains only operated every five or six days.
The railroads were operating many lightweight streamlined trains by the beginning of the war that carried both coach and parlor cars. The Southern Pacific who by the outbreak of WW II was operating a MORNING DAYLIGHT, NOON DAYLIGHT, and SAN JOAQUIN DAYLIGHT between San Francisco and Los Angeles in both directions daily operated some of the more famous of these. The latter by its namesake valley while the first two traveled by way of the Coastline. The Santa Fe was offering three daily streamliners named the GOLDEN GATES between San Francisco and Los Angeles in a Bus-Train-Bus service. The Santa Fe was also providing four streamlined round trips daily with two consists of the SAN DIEGANS between Los Angeles and San Diego. Further east the Southern Pacific Railroads subsidiary Texas and New Orleans was operating twice-daily streamlined trains between Houston and Dallas, the morning trains in each direction were the HUSTLERS and the afternoon trains were the SUNBEAMS. North of there Santa Fe was operating the CHICAGOAN and KANSAS CITYAN daily between Oklahoma City and Chicago. The other Santa Fe streamliner operating in the mid-west at that time was the TULSAN between Tulsa and Kansas City with through cars to and from Chicago carried in the CHICAGOAN eastbound and KANSAS CITYAN westbound. The Southern was operating a Coach streamliner the TENNESSEAN between Washington and Memphis that carried heavyweight Pullmans behind the streamlined coach section. The CB&Q was opera-ting the four car GENERAL PERSHING ZEPHYR between St. Louis and Kansas City round trip daily and by the outbreak of the war it was extended beyond Kansas City to Omaha and Lincoln. The CB&Q was also operating a train between St. Louis and Minneapolis overnight with the Rock Island that carried lightweight coaches and heavyweight sleeping cars the ZEPHYR – ROCKET. Rock Island was operating Diesel – Electric powered ROCKETS with light-weight coaches between Chicago and Peoria (PEORIA ROCKET), Des Moines and Chicago (DES MOINES ROCKET), between Minneapolis and Kansas City the Rock Island provided daily service using two sets of ROCKET equipment one in each direction. Other ROCKET services operated between Kansas City and Dallas and the CB&Q was operating the 9901and 9902 ZEPHYRS (formerly TWIN ZEPHYRS) between Dallas – Fort Worth and Houston. The TEXAS ZEPHYR was providing overnight service between Denver and Dallas over CB&Q subsidiaries FW&D, and C&S. The TEXAS ZEPHYR was another of those trains with lightweight coach section and heavyweight Pullman section. Of course by that time the Chicago – Denver route was served by three overnight trains the CB&Q DENVER ZEPHYR, C&NW-UP CITY OF DENVER and the CRI&P ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKET the latter with direct service to Colorado Springs and Denver. The Rock Island was operating the CHOCTAW ROCKET between Memphis and Amarillo daily in each direction using two Diesel – Electric powered streamlined train sets. Three Railroads were operating streamliners between Chicago and Minneapolis daily the CB&Q with twice daily streamliner service with the TRAIN OF THE GODS and TRAIN OF THE GODDESSES ZEPHYR train sets. Milwaukee Road was offering twice daily HIAWATHAS between Chicago and the Twin Cities, and last but not least the C&NW introduced their Diesel – Electric powered streamlined 400s between the same terminal cities providing a daily train in each direction.
The Alton was offering two daily streamliners in each direction between Chicago and St. Louis the ABRAHAM LINCOLN and ANN RUTLEDGE. The NYC was providing through MERCURY train service between Chicago-Detroit- Cleveland daily in each direction using streamlined steam powered consists. The NYC on the very day the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor took place December 7, 1941 inaugurated new Budd built lightweight streamliners between New York City and Detroit-Cleveland named the EMPIRE STATE EXPRESS powered by streamlined 4-6-4 Hudson Locomotives.
The prewar lightweight streamlined coaches were well lighted, airy, clean, and comfortable, fully air conditioned, with ice water, clean rest rooms, and were generally not over-crowded. The prewar lightweight streamlined coaches were equipped with folding steps at vestibules for boarding, skirting to hide the equipment and air conditioning units located beneath the cars etc. Several of the early articulated streamliners even had streamlined truck covers but mechanical forces that needed to inspect the trucks soon discarded these. Buying a lightweight streamlined railroad passenger car was almost like buying an automobile except there was even more options available. For the car body itself a Railroad could choose Cor-ten steel, aluminum or stainless steel from manufacturers such as American Car & Foundry and Pullman Standard. From Budd there was no choice as they only built Stainless steel cars. There were three types of air conditioning Ice, Steam ejector, and mechanical, with ice being the cheapest initially to install but the most labor intensive as the cars equipped with Ice systems where fans blowing across the ice provided the cooling consumed 500 lb. of ice per hour. Most cars equipped with ice systems bunkered 4,500 lb. of ice beneath the car enough for nine hours of cooling before needing replenishing. The ice type air conditioning was ordered by few railroads after WW II. The Steam Ejector system where the steam line from the diesels or steam power up front was very popular with many roads and the secret to successful operation of this system was maintaining constant steam pressure. The Santa Fe was very successful with the steam ejector system while Southern Pacific replaced their steam ejector installations with Mechanical. The mechanical or electric type that either used a power supply to operate a generator for electrical power for the air conditioning or used power from a cars belt driven generator were by far the most popular. The latter type was quickly replaced by a separate engine driven unit operating an electric generator supplying the necessary power, as the belt driven generator was not of sufficient power output to supply the batteries with enough power for any extended station stop. Most lightweight streamlined cars built for and operated in complete streamlined trains before the war were equipped with full width diaphragms giving the streamliners an unbroken appearance as if one long unit. Many railroads selected certain types of trucks for their prewar streamlined cars and switched to newer types of trucks on car orders following the war. The commonwealth truck with outside swing hanger appeared on New Haven passenger cars beginning in 1948. Beginning in 1947 the H type coupler became standard for all passenger cars. No longer was their any slack action on passenger trains equipped with these couplers. Following the war many of the lightweight streamlined cars no longer were purchased as deluxe cars, the skirting was missing and in many instances the full width diaphragms were no longer an expense that many railroads were willing to pay for. On some cars rigid non-folding steps replaced folding steps. But many of the postwar lightweight streamlined cars were built with carpeting in the aisles a feature no longer restricted to just the first class cars. And this was only the beginning of better things to come for the postwar coach passenger. World War II brought a halt to new passenger car construction except for Troop Sleepers, Troop Kitchen, and U.S. Army Hospital cars but none of these could be mistaken for streamlined car types.
Many Railroads had streamlined a number of trains before WW II but the vast majority of lightweight streamlined trains would come following WW II and in some cases second and third generations of the same streamlined trains would follow. The major railroads would move from ten and twenty trains per month on certain routes to daily service requiring additional equipment for the postwar streamliners, this was particular true of western roads such as the Santa Fe and Union Pacific.
Following WW II the car manufacturers were inundated with orders for lightweight streamlined cars and complete streamlined trains. Orders were for everything from head end cars to Observations and every type passenger car in between. It was almost as if a large majority of the Railroads heavyweight passenger cars had worn out at the same time from the heavy wartime use and were in need of replacement immediately or as soon as possible. Rider ship figures had soared to new heights during the war and the railroads were determined to hold onto as much of that business as possible, many felt the best way was to offer the traveling public more lightweight streamlined trains. For the coach passengers the best was yet to come from the car manufacturers. First following the war came the leg rest seat for long distance services, the seating capacity of these leg-rest coaches varied between 38 and 56 with even the latter seating capacity able to offer large rest rooms and smoking lounges. In Canada Canadian Pacific Railway purchased 60 Leg-Rest seat Coaches for the CANADIAN and other services. Even better news for coach passengers came from the CB&Q in 1947 when the worlds first lightweight Vista Dome train sets the TWIN ZEPHYRS began twice daily round trip service between Chicago and Minneapolis. These train sets each featured seven cars with five of these cars dome equipped. The 24 seats in the dome coaches was for the use of any coach passenger who wished to enjoy the view and this space was not sold as revenue seating. Only the Dome Observation was off limits to Coach passengers as this car was a parlor and the 24 seats in this dome were reserved for the use of the parlor car patrons. With four domes in each consist for coach passengers this gave those passengers 96 dome seats. The revenue coach seats in these four cars numbered 212. Besides the dome seating the Baggage Buffet Lounge car provided 39 non-revenue seats and the dining car another 48 non-revenue seats. So in actual fact the Vista Dome TWIN ZEPHYRS provided coach passengers with 162 non-revenue seats for a ratio of 1-3/4 seats per coach passenger. Where the Vista Dome TWIN ZEPHYR Coaches seated 50 or 54 in revenue seats. The two Vista Domes with the seating for 50 operated one per consist had a Conductors office otherwise they were the same as the 54 seat Vista Dome Coaches.
The long distance Vista Dome Coach with 46 reserved leg rest seats was introduced with the jointly owned and operated CB&Q-D&RGW-WP CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR inaugurated March 20, 1949. Each CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR operated with three Dome Coaches in each consist and two other Vista Domes for the enjoyment of Pullman Passengers. Besides the CB&Q-D&RGW-WP Budd would sell these 46 seat Leg Rest Dome Coaches to the Missouri Pacific for the COLORADO EAGLE, Great Northern for the EMPIRE BUILDER, and Northern Pacific for the NORTH COAST LIMITED.
Credit must also be given to the Chesapeake & Ohio Railway for the innovative planning and design work that went into the stillborn CHESSIE. The CHESSIE consisted of three trains constructed by Budd for service between Washington-Newport News and Cincinnati. The CHESSIE never entered service but did go on a tour of the area served and was then quietly dropped. The CHESSIE would have given coach passengers the highest ratio of non-revenue seats to revenue seats of any coach streamliners ever constructed. If a fifteen car CHESSIE had operated there would have been 322 revenue seats available and 288 non-revenue seats available. But if thirteen car or fewer CHESSIE trains had operated the non-revenue seats would have outnumbered the revenue seats. The CHESSIE never entered service and most of the equipment from the three train sets was sold to other railroads.
Postwar lightweight streamlined coaches were built in long distance versions with leg rest seats with seating between 38-60. Higher capacity shorter distance coaches with seating from 54-80. There were combination Coaches with Baggage Coach and Baggage Crew Dormitory Coach. Other types of postwar cars that featured coach seating were Snack Bar Coaches, Dining Coaches, Coach Lounges, Stateroom Coaches, and of course Dome Coaches in both long distance and short distance versions. Combination Domes for multiple uses, and Coach Observations. Later would come Hi-Level Coaches, Keystone Coaches, Bi-Level Coaches, and Superliner Coaches not to mention the experimental lightweight trains. Budd came up with the Rail Diesel Car in the latter 1940s as the answer to the less than profitable Branch Line rail operations. At least with the Budd RDC the Branch Lines at least stood a chance of breaking even with their less expensive operating costs. The RDC came in four basic types the all coach RDC-1, the Baggage Coach combination RDC-2, the Railway Post Office Baggage Coach Combination RDC-3 and the shorter in length Railway Post Office Baggage Combination RDC-4 (one Midwestern Railroad even operated RDC-4s with seating for 17 passengers the M&STL.).
Probably the greatest number of new streamlined trains entered service between 1946 and 1949 when the car manufacturers were working around the clock turning out lightweight streamlined cars to equip the nations postwar streamlined trains. A second round of new streamlined car purchases took place from the car builders in the early to mid 1950s that would complete the streamlined car needs of most railroads in the United States and Canada.
It seemed as if every railroad from every region of the United States was demanding new lightweight streamlined cars from the manufacturers as soon as possible following the Second World War. The car manufacturers were anxious to fulfill those orders in spite of many shortages of certain raw materials caused by the war. In spite of these initial shortages of materials the Railroad car manufacturers soon discovered there were many new sub contractors available to them more than ever before thanks to the hundreds of small manufacturers that came into being with the encouragement of a wartime government in a time of national need. And many of these small wartime manufacturers were only to willing to bid on parts and assemblies for the new postwar streamlined passenger car boom in order for there doors to remain open following the second world war.
One Railroad the Milwaukee Road built all of there own lightweight stream-lined cars in there own Milwaukee shops except for ten Super domes, and thirty sleeping cars delivered by Pullman Standard, not to mention the five used Budd built PACIFIC series 10-6 sleeping cars purchased from the Union Pacific.
Another railroad the CI&L (MONON) purchased twenty-five surplus U.S. Army Hospital cars built by American Car & Foundry in 1944 in anticipation of an invasion of Japan that thankfully never took place. The MONON shops converted these cars into the roads entire lightweight streamlined passenger fleet. The Alaska Railroad purchased thirty two of the same cars and had a WW II ship builder Puget Sound Bridge and Dredging Company in Seattle rebuild them into the ARR modern passenger fleet before barging them north to the Railroad. Just one more example of a once busy wartime contractor looking for postwar business wherever they could find it in order to keep the doors open. The former U. S. Army Hospital cars had a fully streamlined appearance after completion by the Seattle based ship builder Puget Sound Bridge & Dredging.
The two major Canadian Railroads the Canadian National and Canadian Pacific did not receive the large numbers of streamlined passenger cars necessary to streamline the majority of their fleet until 1954 later than any of the major U. S. Railroads. That was probably because of a lack of competition in Canada, whereas in the United States major cities such as Seattle on the West Coast were served by the Great Northern Railway, Milwaukee Road, Northern Pacific Railway, Union Pacific, and Canadian Pacific Railway. Nearby Vancouver, British Columbia a city of comparable size was served by Canadian National, Canadian Pacific, and Great Northern. Many Canadian travelers were finding it possible to travel
Canadian National and Grand Trunk Western between Toronto and other eastern Canadian cities to Chicago where they could board the Great Northern Railways EMPIRE BUILDER to Everett where they could change trains to the INTERNATIONAL to complete there trip to Vancouver. This route was faster by over a day than the all-Canadian route of either the Canadian National or Canadian Pacific. It was also possible for passengers between Toronto and Winnipeg to travel faster by way of Chicago and St. Paul than the Canadian routes north of Lake Superior. Both of these alternatives to the all Canadian route were comparable in price, and the time difference of a full day on the trip to the west coast made it even more attractive for Canadians to take the route south of there border.
South of the U.S. border the National de Mexico received the AZTEC EAGLE train sets from the Schindler Company of Switzerland the first and only new long distance trains built for the NdeM during the forties or fifties. The makeup of these beautiful red and cream painted lightweight stream-lined train sets included 1st and 2nd class coaches, fortunately the latter never caught on in the United States and Canada. It was bad enough that Railroads operating in the American south operated with so called Jim Crow or divided coaches to separate the races. That a single example of this type car should have been built during the streamline era is America’s disgrace. Unfortunately a number of U.S. railroads built lightweight streamlined coaches with divided interiors. These will be covered in the respective chapters of those Railroads.
Many Railroads when sleeping car needs waned rebuilt these cars to coaches the one means of rail travel that showed an increase in demand on some roads in the U.S. in the late 1950s and 1960s. Many Railroads purchased new cars for commuter services and as long distance train services of some of those roads slowed they converted their long distance coaches to commuter cars by adding additional seating. In other cases railroads that operated no commuter services sold long distance coaches to railroads that operated commuter services for conversion to high capacity commuter coaches. There always seemed to be a ready market for good used coaches right up to the time of Amtrak and even beyond in some cases.
The Canadian National Railway appeared to overbuild when they had Canadian Car & Foundry build and deliver 218 eighty-seat coaches 5437-5654 between January and July 1954. This group of coaches would probably become the most widely rebuilt and remodeled group of coaches owned by any Railroad, with the entire group having seating reduced to 76 within the first two years of service. Some of these coaches were rebuilt to Snack Coaches, Lounge Cars, Club Car, Dining Lounge Cars, Coach Crew Dormitory Cars, and in one instance even a business car complete with open platform observation. Still others were rebuilt to Dayniter Coaches, and even Dining cars.
In 1956 the new CB&Q DENVER ZEPHYRS introduced the Slumbercoach to the rail traveling public. These cars with 24 private single rooms and 8 private double rooms were the answer for several railroads to attract increased coach ridership. The fare for space in the Slumbercoach was based on your coach ticket plus $7.00 for a single room as a room charge between Chicago and Denver or Colorado Springs. If the new Budd built Slumbercoach had been even five years earlier it would probably have been much more widely accepted. Here was the car that made all the privacy afforded a Pullman Passenger traveling in a Duplex Roomette available to the coach passenger for a much lower fare. The Slumbercoach rooms offered the coach passenger
The Slumbercoach rooms offered the coach passenger his own seating, sink, toilet, and bed in complete privacy. Initially these cars operated on the B&O, MP, NYC, NP, and CB&Q. By the time of Amtrak’s take over only the BN (ex CB&Q and NP) and B&O were operating the original Slumbercoaches from Budd and PC was operating the converted Sleeping cars from Budd.
The remainder of this book is a Railroad by Railroad look at the Streamlined coaches and the trains they operated in


The Slumbercoach revived the old Tourist Sleeper concept popular until the late 1940’s, although not quite as much space was available to the Slumbercoach patron it was provided for a much lower fare than its Pullman contemporary. Although the Milwaukee Road would build new Touralux cars (Milwaukee Roads name for Tourist Sleeping cars for their OLMPIAN HIAWATHA). Canada’s two major roads would operate modernized Tourist Sleepers in their most famous postwar streamlined train the Canadian Pacific Railways CANADIAN and the Canadian National
Railway SUPER CONTINENTAL.

TTFN AL

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, January 23, 2006 4:07 PM
G'day!

My favorite loco:

Pennsy GG1 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org}


Enjoy!

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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, January 23, 2006 4:24 PM
And best paint scheme it ever wore !
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 5:31 AM
Good Morning!

And another version of my favorite loco:

(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo

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