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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 4, 2006 7:36 PM
G’day Gents!

Nice to see some visitors this afternoon – Lars – Mike – Pete ‘n Al – thanx for the Posts! [tup]

Really appreciate the diversity of the information provided – we cover all the bases ‘round this joint, eh[?] [swg]

Appreciate the Pix, Lars – nice “fit” for the X2000 material . . . . Also, can’t tell ya what’s “wrong” with the Cardinals without making it sound like an excuse. All teams go through it – more or less – injuries, slumps, out of synch – and how about: tough opposition[?] Happens! Yes – YOUR Mets are doing real well.

Somewhere along the line I failed to mention that we’re going to see the Cards vs Mets on Thursday, May 18th – got some GREAT tix – I mean GREAT: behind the Cards dugout about 12 rows up . . . [wow] Should be a nice afternoon for us. Sorry, Mate – but I hope YOUR team gets thumped! [swg]


Only comment I have for URLMEister Monster is [wow] [tup][tup][tup]


Wolfman Interesting observation of those CNW locos – you were supposed to be watching the ball game!! [swg] Anyway, can’t help you with the “reason” they were down in StL . . . that’s more involved than I’m prepared to be. Never really been a “train watcher” – or whatever they may be called these days . . .


20 Fingers You seem to have given the hands a break today. These “Euro” submissions every now ‘n then aren’t meant to “lock up the day” for nothing else. Feel free to provide anything you’d like – some Pennsy “stuff” would do just fine! [swg]

Got a kick out of your comment regarding a younger nurse – [yeah] the spirit may be willing, but how about the associated “parts”[?] <grin>

Nice update on the California rail situations . . . . [tup]


Okay boyz – this is supposed to be our Fish ‘n Chips Nite and there haven’t been any “takers.” <groan>


REMINDER!
Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!



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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, May 4, 2006 6:56 PM
Good Afternoon Tom, Time for a CR and a round for the house.

This AM went to the doc and he said everything looks fine. I said if that is the case send a younger nurse to my place.

Sorry i cant contribute much to the Hi-Speed Rail overseas, I have two three inch binders with info on this very subject that I have to find the time to go through. Will probably take it to the Bro in laws on Saturday so will have something to do over their besides watch the idiot box.

Envious of BK and his travels on the X2000.

High Speed Rail is kind of on hold in California for the present as we have much levee work to be completed before November (Election)

Gasoline in Sacramento as of this AM was average 3.26 for regular. And it seems to be jumping a nickel or more daily. Yestyerday was 3.18 average for regular.

BART reporting since gasoline began to climb ridership on bay are system growing by 1200 passengers daily.

ACE trains seeing big increase in ridership and now beginning next week second train in AM from Stockton will double back for a second trip from Livermore. Reports they are already seeking to buy additional equipment.

Both Sacramento and Stockton purchasing new hydrogen powered buses.

Amtrak California seeing exceptional growth at the present time. Problem is UP not to friendly to expanding service over their lines. The San Joaquins that operate between the Bay area and Bakersfield over BNSF have mean't with better reception but their is much trackwork expansion and upgrading planned for this line this summer.

TTFN Al

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Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, May 4, 2006 4:21 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of the Bathams and a round please.

TOM Great details on the Swedish X2000 tilting train. It seems that if there is the will to build good trains and provide a good service people will return to rail travel.

ASEA who provided the motors for the X2000 also provided them for the short lived pre-production BR APT tilting train which was a little before its time.
Not too sure about the improving the mobile phone reception. I hope that they have Quiet cars as in some BR high speed trains where the phones and personal stereos are banned.

BK Thanks for the great personal experience of X 2000 travel encore. They seem simular inside to the Virgin Pendelinos. I had experience of the Pendelinos now they are operating in tilt mode and its very hard to tell when they are tilting it was only watching the moon one night through the window to see how much it was tilting.
It was not that long ago I did not know the different N. American loco classes after a few months at OUR PLACE it is becoming a lot clearer although I still have along way to go.

LARS Great X2000 photos [tup]. I am hoping to be able to get on line and keep in touch with you all at Our place at least some of the time I am in England.

CM3 Glad you liked the link. Interesting on the TRRA of St Louis 40 years ago. While we was at the Cards v Cubs baseball a couple if weeks ago where I was at Busch Stadium it overlooked some of the rail lines. There were 4 smaller locos which hauled a frieght out of the yards they seemed in a dark blue and yellow livery and the logo on the side looked very simular to the Chicago & North Western although it was getting dark at the time. The locos were numbered in the 1500 series. They must have worked a short trip as a while later they were back in the yards by the Amtrak station. I wonder if these locos were working for the modern TRRA?
TED Very glad every thing was OK at the V.A.[tup].

Your so right about how The TOY and MODEL TRAIN day stripped the years away.
I was looking at the web site on the Rhyl Minature Railway to put in a post when, in the history in words section, it described the " Station was always surrounded by steam" and honestly 40 + years disappeared and I could smell that steam again and remember the locos pulling out of the station across the crossing. Unbelieveable. Although doing the post at near midnight may have had something to do with it.

MIKE I will send this post and look at your links. The Gagney looks a powerful loco for her size.

TOM Good comedy corner today. I know I shall miss Our place, as I said to Lars I hope to get on a puter over there. PETE.
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Posted by wanswheel on Thursday, May 4, 2006 3:17 PM
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.

Urlmonster adds to the pile. I'll never get to Europe, much less Sweden, but Ingrid Bergman was great in Casablanca.

STOCKHOLM
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/se/electric/emu/X2000/Stockholm/P1190113.jpg

SUNDSVALL
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/se/electric/emu/X2000/misc/P1200120.jpg

ALVESTA
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/se/electric/emu/X2000/misc/P1010351.jpg

OSLO Airport express class 71 & LINX X-2000 from Stockholm. Joint venture, Norwegian, Swedish and Danish Railways to the capitals of the three countries.
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/no/electric/emu/BM71/Highspeed.jpg

LINX X2000 + SJ X2000 in København H (Copenhagen?)
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/se/private/Linx/P1240008.jpg

ENTRANCE
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/se/electric/emu/X2000/Stockholm/SJ_X2000_door_st1.jpg

ENGINEER
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/se/electric/emu/X2000/interior/P1010310.jpg

OFF-TOPIC (everything I know about locks and dams)
http://www.mvr.usace.army.mil/missriver/VC%20Page/LDTour/Tour.HTM

Ted, have a great trip and send me a postcard.

CM3, thanks for the Kix in your Post, the link to Sugar Crisps was a hoot, especially the comics page FIn Fang Foom

Doug, I meant to say before, the story about the Illinoys boys getting first-hand Steam experience growing up near Chicago was great.

Al, I don't think the UP would have a case against the SAL. Silver is an element, untrademarkable. But I can imagine the UP suing the New York Central for putting Harriman on its timetable.

Rob, you're not supposed to know about the Lone Ranger & Tonto, you weren't even born yet.
It is amazing how many famous Americans are actually Canadian. Like John Kenneth Galbraith, who was very old, 97, very tall, 6-foot-8, and very original - he invented the term "conventional wisdom". Grew up in Dunwich township in southern Ontario, graduated University of Toronto.

Pete, those little locos are cute. I think the Cagney would make better time if the grown-ups aboard would get off and walk.

BK, the Railion looks so authentic. Even the weeds look real.

Lars, did you know Rogers Hornsby was New York Mets batting coach in 1962?
http://www.hornsbybend.com/Rogers%20Hornsby/Rogers%20Hornsby%20Photo%20Gallery/pages/zRogers%20as%20Batting%20Coach%20for%20Mets_jpg_jpg.htm
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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, May 4, 2006 2:16 PM
G'day Kaptian Tom and whoever may come by!

A cold, frosty draught, if you please!! Make it two . . . I'm thristy! [tup] And, I'll take a 1 ft hero - ham, Swiss, buttAH & mustAHd, with 2 large pickles from the barrel. A saucer of brine for the rodent Armadillo! [swg] Ok - one for you too, Boris! <good grief!>

Good job with the X2000 of Sweden! "Ya sure, it's a gudun!" [swg] [tup][tup][tup]

Once again my "bookend" suprised us by providing an excellent compliment to the "European Railways" submission by Tom. Very good idea to come up with the ENCORE! - a good fit! [tup][tup]

Thanks for bringing up that "Supertrains" book again - I kept meaning to order it, and now I have! Barnes & Nobel have it available in soft cover . . . [tup]

Hello's to Coalminer3 (I'm not Shane!), etc. - Ted - Pete & Rob (from last night)! [tup]

Thanks for the recognition, Bear Man! Much appreciated! [swg]

Lets see - the continuing flow of email traffic deserves mention: got a few - sent a few! [swg]

Just checked out that revised list of "Planned Absences" and it sure looks like we're gonna be hurtin' for awhile. Honestly feel that if those remaining behind make a concerted effort to pick a time slot - the bar will be just fine. Sure would hate to see it fade away . . .

Hate to bring it up, but what in the world is going on with the Cardinals [?] Don't get to view 'em very much on the tube - but from what I've read, the pitching seems to have given up on 'em. "My man" Marquis hasn't been very effective for his last 3 starts, and that's a bummer. I do root for the "Red Birds of St. Louis" as my 2nd choice in the NL! [swg] As you know, my Mets seem to be rolling along nicely. [tup]

Here's a couple of pix to help out with the X2000 "theme" . . . . (I know it's not really a "theme" - but close enuf, huh[?])

Sweden X2000 (SJ AB) (photo credit: unknown)


Sweden X2000 (SJ AB) (photo credit: unknown)



Until the next time!

Lars
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 4, 2006 11:47 AM
G’day Gents!


A brief round of acknowledgments, as mid-day approaches:

Rob ‘n Pete Thanx for the late nite visits! Was beginning to think that everyone knew something about a “party” elsewhere, but me! [swg] Really a strange late afternoon and night.

Rob My RR library of magazines has only one issue of Railroad Model Craftsman and I believe it arrived in our home several decades back as a “mistake.” My “Model Railroader” failed to arrive in the mail, and one of my kids picked up this particular magazine by mistake. [swg]

Pete Always appreciate your visits and can’t stress this enough – we’re surely going to miss you for that getaway of yours! [tdn]


CM3 St. Louis Terminal RR is still going strong, but of course nothing like the glory days of your Post. Good stuff! [tup]

I use that phrase, “We can put people on the Moon . . . . “ somehow always “fits” into a given situation. One of the most interesting train books that I’ve read is called, “Superliner” by Joseph Vranich – subtitle: Solutions to America’s Transportation Gridlock. Copyright of 1991, this book is still valid in today’s situation.



Anyway, from the dustcover:

QUOTE: We put a man on the moon, we put in artificial hearts, and we amzed the world with our weaponry in the Persian Gulf. Now, Joe Vranich in Supertrains shows how we’re going almost to missile-speed all passengers, even lawyer, across this great country. Great, informative, intelligent, actual and prognostic reading!
– Melvin M. Belli, Sr.


Thanx for the round & quarters! [tup]


Where’s Al[?] Hasn’t shown up over on “my other Thread,” which is most unusual for him! Hmmmmmmmm.


Ted”Dittos” on the clean bill of health! [tup] Glad you were able to enjoy the Posts from yesterday’s Toys & Model Trains Day! We do have a great place to unwind while trying to put to rest the trials and tribulations of everyday life . . . Two things ‘do it for me’ trains and music. It’s a “win-win” to put them together! [tup]


BK That’s quite a nice Post you’ve provided the gang this morning! Many thanx for it, the “Encore!” and the round! [tup][tup][tup] Your demonstrated willingness to support the bar is very much appreciated! [yeah]


I’ve sent an “update” to all concerned regarding the Planned Absences – the list grows longer each day! I appreciate the responses – however – they are not necessary or expected. It’s simply as stated in the E-mail. Thanx! [tup]


Okay boyz – I expect to be here for the day! Belly up to the bar and place those orders! [swg]


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Posted by BudKarr on Thursday, May 4, 2006 10:54 AM
Good Morning Captain Tom and all assembled!


A bit early for me, however, I have found that taking advantage of these “free moments” is more practical than planning for one. Somehow, the best of plans . . . . [swg]

This day, I would like a large mug of your fine coffee, with just a “splash” of something to make it different! Perhaps two of those turnovers from the pastry case – that will do for the time being. A round of “OJ” for the house! Boris the chimes if you please! [tup]


I see there was quite a gap in yesterday’s postings. According to the “Summary” no customers between 16:13 and 22:34 makes it a 6 hour rather lonely place for our Proprietor and his erstwhile, Barman Leon. It appears we simply do not have the “pool” to draw from with which to keep things active throughout the “business day.”

Your emails on the absences have been received – and although you are not seeking responses – for what it is worth, I will help as best I can up until my planned absence! The idea of people taking certain time slots makes great sense – Sirs CM3 & Lars seem to have that figured out quite well! [tup]

Thank you for the kind words regarding my submission of yesterday – the credit goes to My Lady Lydia! [swg] [tup] We will try to have another prepared for next week and pass it on to Sir Lars for posting at the appropriate time.

The “Toy & Model Trains” day provided some fine material and I would think the change of name did little to dampen the enthusiasm. Good show for all who took part! [tup]

So, the Toronto Rendezvous is a week off, eh[?] This time next week, my guess is Sirs Tom & Ted will be winging their ways north. For a brief period I had hoped to surprise you all by attending – if not all of the festivities – at least the Friday session. Unfortunately – or fortunately, depending on your point of view – my “new life” along with our wedding took precedence. No doubt you will all have a simply wonderful time and I look forward to the “report” once I return from our trip and navigate my way through the back pages. [tup]

Sir Ted - A clean bill of health is always a welcome endorsement, but especially so given the gravity of what you experienced. Secondarily, my guess is you are also relieved in that there will not be any “baggage” to carry northward regarding any medical issues. [tup]

Thank you, Sir Rob for the gift of wine – a far better choice than the concoction of your “H&H” duo. I have heard it said that their beverage is suitable only for the unclogging of sink drains! [swg]

Sir Pete You have quite the eye for detail. I had no recollection of what a GG-1 is or was. But once researched, you are correct – there is a resemblance between it and the 3600 electric – center cab placement as opposed to one at either end is the most significant difference. (My, my – I am sounding more the Aficionado than ever before!)

Sir Coalminer Yes, those European “toys” are rather on the expensive side. All of the sites we visited had the prices in Euro’s or local currency, so I did not bother to provide that aspect of data. They do look good though and I appreciate the attention to detail that this hobby draws out. Always have admired any craftsman who can replicate to exact detail, a “thing” from real life. Talent I surely do not possess.

A bit of sadness in the air this morning as our “local” entry in the hockey league Stanley Cup playoffs found themselves eliminated last night 3-0 to the team from Anaheim. The Flames of Calgary were expected to do far better. Seems that in sports, the expectations are always high. Then again, my “credo” of sorts has always been to strive for the top rung in no matter what one does. To set lower goals gets you what you deserve.


Now, I have found a previous posting of mine that will compliment all of Captain Tom’s efforts with regard to the “X2000.” Hope you enjoy it the second time around from way back on page 149:


QUOTE: Posted by BudKarr
Posted: 28 Oct 2005, 14:25:21

My story involves a trip between Göteborg and Stockholm, Sweden back in the mid-90s aboard the "tilt train" referred to as the X2000.

My memory is not quite as vivid as many of you out there who thrive on these kinds of recollections. I prefer rail travel, but am not what one may consider to be a rail fan nor am I a hobbyist. Mine is to use that mode for travel when it best fits into the time I have available.

X2000 provides all types of innovative approaches to passenger rail travel, many of which have since been incorporated elsewhere. For example: Automatic Train Control which can stop the train should a signal "back" not be received; Parking brakes and anti-slip devices that are electronic in operation; magnetic emergency braking that can stop a speeding train at 125 mph in about 3/4 of a mile; asynchronous traction motors used to power the car's four axles; and of course the "tilt" mechanism that kicks in when rounding curves.

The consist we had that particular run featured the locomotive and I believe 5 or 6 cars, each with specific interior designs and purposes. I traveled in First Class in the 2nd car back from the locomotive - I think.

I recall the cars being "done" rather fashionably, although a bit on the "plastic" side - sterile might be a better word. Some passengers appeared to be a bit uncomfortable with the motion of the car, causing a feeling of "sea sickness." Fortunately, no one found a reason to experience projectile vomiting in the car I traveled in!

My recollection is that I had no dificulty navigating the passageways heading to and from other cars, asI visited the bar car a few times to sample the Swedish brew and other delights. I could have waited for the on board Hostess, but wanted to stretch my legs during that just a bit under 4 hour journey.

I do not wi***o make comparisons with other trains, such as the French TGV or German ICE, etc. The X2000 is a distinctive engineering accomplishment and stands alone in my mind as worth the expense of time and money.

The Swedish countryside seemed to zip by and as I had read from someone's Post elsewhere - looking from the window was as is a slide show was taking place. They advertised the speeds in excess of 100 mph, perhaps even 125. All I can report is that we were moving and moving quite well. The ride was fine and stops minimal.

Today, as I understand it, the X2000 runs link most of Sweden's major cities. I travel to that part of the world rather frequently, but have not availed myself of a repeat train trip. Next time, I plan to.




As my “bookend” says, “Until the next time!


BK in beautiful Alberta, Canada’s high mountain country!
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Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, May 4, 2006 10:10 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Lars - Lionel diesel material was a nice summary. I never had any of the F units, but we did run geeps on the layout.

Tom - "Sorry" abt. the URL - but, in my defense, I did warn folks that there was lot of material in there (LOL). Also, many thanks for posting the material/chart on different scales sizes - nice to have that all in one place. Then we have today's post on the X2000 which always evokes my "we can put people on the moon..." response - lovely equipment.

BK - Nice set of model pictures - Eric Fuchs Hobbies in Boston used to have a lot of that material on display. It was fun to look at but way beyond my pocketbook.

Al - I can see it now: the "City of Everysilver" bursting out of the Hermosa Tunnel.

Pete - Interesting URL and some nostalgia as well.

Here's something for our 'steamed proprietor and others in the heartland. This is from approx 40 yrs ago.

Terminal Railroad Association of St. Louis (TRRA)

Route TRRA When Speed and Service Are Important To You

Serving the Gateway to the west and southwest, TRRA offers:

-Access to more than 400 St. Louis industries located on 341 miles of right of way.
-Direct connections with the 16 trunklines and three switching lines which serve the St.Louis-East St. Louis gateway as well as with the Federal and Mississippi Valley Barge Lines.
-Six classification yards, an icing ststion and 16 public delivery yards served by a fleet of 101 powerful radio equipped Diesel locomotives.
-Four hours of less service through the Gateway with pre-blocked movements.
-Professional counsel and assistance in obtaining ideal industrial locations.
-The services of a team of 3000 traine personnel, all ready to move your shipment into, through or from the St. Louis Gateway with speed, safety and dependability.

work safe

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 4, 2006 9:59 AM



RAILWAYS of EUROPE #6 – X2000 of Sweden


Swedish Railways, Statens Järnvägar (SJ)


Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.


X2000

X 2000 is the brand name of Sweden's tilting 200 km/h high-speed train class X2, which is operated by SJ. It was launched in 1990 as a first-class only train with a meal included in the ticket price, and free use of the train's fax machine. It was then the only train in Sweden to have airconditioning and audio sockets. There is a bistro on board that serves snack bar-style dishes.

The trains were initially used sparingly to avoid breakdowns. Starting 1995, the trains were used more intensively and second class was introduced.


X2000 train used by SJ AB of Sweden (Wikimedia Commons)

Though the top speed of 200 km/h is unremarkable internationally, X 2000 deserves the reputation as a high-speed train since it cut journey times by about a quarter, enough to be competitive with airlines on many major routes. It typically averages about 150 km/h.

In 2000-2004, seven trains were operated by Linx on the lines Oslo-Göteborg-Malmö-København and Oslo-Stockholm. Linx was a joint venture between SJ and its Norwegian counterpart NSB. It was wound up when SJ wanted to move the trains to more profitable lines in Sweden. Low-fares airlines also played a part in siphoning off passengers from the comparatively slow Linx services, the main ones taking well in excess of three hours.

All trains are being equipped with w-lan wireless internet and repainted grey as of 2005. Trains are also being fitted with repeaters to improve mobile phone reception.

Impact on the Railway

The train has had a major impact on SJ and the country's railway. More passengers, together with the lower operating costs associated with operating trains faster and more efficiently, helped SJ become profitable.

It also proved that rail is a viable solution not just in exotic foreign countries, but also at home in Sweden. In 1991, the government started a massive investment program, spending 5-10 billion crowns annually on improvements to the rail network. The program continues today and is being accelerated. A milestone was reached in the late nineties when the number of trips taken by train in Sweden exceeded the 1940s level for the first time.

New links built since 1990 include the Øresund bridge, the Arlanda Airport link, and the 80 km long Svealand line (Stockholm)-Södertälje-Eskilstuna. The X 2000 train undoubtedly contributed to building public support for these large projects.

X 2000 Routes

The X 2000 network radiates out from Stockholm, with the exception of the Göteborg-Malmö route. The other endpoints of the network are:

• Borås
• Copenhagen (København in Denmark)
• Falun
• Gothenburg (Göteborg)
• Härnösand
• Nässjö
• Karlstad
• Uddevalla

SJ AB



Type: Goverment enterprise

Founded: 2001 (1856)

Location: Sweden

Website: www.sj.se

SJ AB (Swedish Railways, Statens Järnvägar, commonly known as SJ) is a Swedish government owned public transport on railway operator. SJ was created in 2001, out of the public transport division of Statens Järnvägar, literally the Swedish "State Railways", when the former Government agency was divided into six separate government owned limited companies. SJ operates a number of different train systems such as the high speed train X2000 and Regina, although most of the trains are still drawn by the 1960s RC-locomotive to serve its customers.


X2000 train (GNU Free Documentation)


One of SJs' regional double deckers (Wikimedia Commons)


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Additional information from other sources:

The first high-speed tilting train, X 2000, was delivered to SJ (Swedish State Railways) during 1990 for service on the Stockholm - Gothenburg route.

Traveling time for this route was reduced by more than 25 percent only with minor upgrading of the infrastructure. Today, X 2000 trains are running in revenue service on most major lines in Sweden with similar results.

The key to increased speeds lie in the radially self-steering bogies whereby track forces are reduced, allowing a substantial increase in operating speed on straight track and up to 50 percent higher speed through curves. Microprocessor-controlled, active passenger car tilting technology assures passenger comfort in curves.

The X 2000 is capable of meeting a wide range of traffic needs. Standard train configurations are a power car and four, five or six passenger coaches including a buffet car and a driving trailer. With two power cars and 16 passenger coaches the train can carry up to 1600 passengers.

A Chinese version of the X 2000, called Xinshisu, has been in service since 1998.

Some Facts on the Swedish High Speed Train X2000
by Anders Ekberg

This text is based on the paper "Snabba tåg i Sverige"[1]

Background

As early as in the '60:s a first evaluation of the possibilities of high speed trains in Sweden were made. The results were presented in 1969 [2].

The major problem with high speed trains in Sweden was the radii of curvature. On most tracks, curves with radius as low as 600 m were occurring on long sections of the track. The choice, if you like to increase the speed, is then whether you shall straighten the track or develop a train that can travel fast in curves. Due to the relatively sparse population in Sweden, the first alternative was considered to be too expensive. Therefore, in 1969, the first trials were carried out with a tilting train (a modified X1).

In 1975, trials with a prototype tilting train (X15) were carried out. The train reached a maximum speed of 238 km/h.

In 1980, a second evaluation of high speed trains in Sweden was presented [3]. In 1986, a contract regarding the delivery of 20 high speed trains, was signed by the state railways and ASEA (present ABB). The first set was tried out on the line Stockholm - Göteborg in 1989. It traveled the distance in 2h 54 min.

Finally, at the 4th of September 1990, Sweden becomes the eighth country in the world with regular train traffic in 200 km/h. The first train left Stockholm station at 06.33 and arrived in Göteborg at 10.07.

Data on the High Speed Train X2000

The Train

The train consists of a power unit, three passenger cars, a bistro car and a cab car. The train is operated from the power unit while traveling in one direction, and from the cab car during traffic in the other direction. The length of the train is 140m. The weight is 340 tonnes and the axle loads vary from 12 tonnes (passenger car) to 18 tonnes (power unit).

The maximum speed of the standard train is 210 km/h, but the highest speed allowed (due to railway regulations) is 200 km/h. The train can accelerate from 0 - 200 km/h in 3,8 minutes (which is about 8 km). With full service braking, the train can pull to a full stop from 200 km/h in 1,75 km.

The Concept of a Tilting Train

The tilting is controlled by a sensor in the frontmost boggie. The signal is processed in a low-pass-filter to avoid influence of short track irregularities. The main effect of the tilting car is that the lateral acceleration in the passenger cars is severely reduced. This will give an increased traveling comfort. However, the forces acting between wheel and rail are not particularly altered.

All cars, except for the power unit, is tiltable. The largest effective tilting (in relation to the track) is 6,5 degrees. This will eliminate about 80% of the lateral acceleration for the passengers. The delay of the tilting (compared to the lateral acceleration) is 0,8 s.

Required Modifications of the Railway

As for the track, no particular modifications were necessary. However, since the tilting of the train is depending on the track geometry, it is of especial interest that this geometry is correct. After a while, some passengers reported that they were being seasick. This problem could be linked to the occurrence of long track irregularities and measures were taken to prevent these irregularities.

The prestress of the electrical feeders had to be increased in order to prevent large vibrations due to the high speeds. Also, some modifications had to be made to assure that a high effect could be distributed during a long period of time. Since X2000 refeeds electricity to the feeders, some additional modifications had to be made.

As for the signaling system, some modifications were made. Most of these in order to allow the trains to travel at a higher speed. Such modifications were the increase of the signaling distance (e.g. in front of a road x-ing). Also a new signaling system (ATC2), which allowed different signaling distances for different types of trains, were introduced. This has the advantage that the road x-ing does not have to be occupied for a longer time even if a slow freight train is passing.

Finally, several road crossings has to be removed. This is not due to any technical problems, but done in order to increase security. The protection on the remaining crossings are highly increased.

Literature

[1] Gunnarsson U. and J. Wrangö, Snabba tåg i Sverige,
1991, Banverket
[2] SJ ASJ SAAB SAB, Höga hastigheter i SJ persontrafik - Tekniska förutsättningar, 1969, SJ
[3] SJ, SJ snabbtågsprojekt, 1980, SJ-Utredning

Update

The x2000 has not only achieved 238 km/h; in 1993, on the 21st of July, at 15:30, it averaged 275,7 km/h over one kilometre on the new track between Hamra and Breås on the West Coast railway Göteborg-Malmö. The test train went from Varberg to Falkenberg in 11 minutes (normally 16 minutes).
The record train was composed of two powered units (usually one) and three passenger units (usually four to six). The new stretch of track has a smallest curve radius of 2,5 km.

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Did you miss any of the first five in the series[?] Click on the URLs:

(1) British Rail, page 247
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=247&TOPIC_ID=35270

(2) Eurostar, page 248
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=248&TOPIC_ID=35270

(3) TGV of France, page 255
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=255&TOPIC_ID=35270

(4) ICE Train of Germany, page 270
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=270&TOPIC_ID=35270

(5) Irish Rail, page 279
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=279&TOPIC_ID=35270







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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 4, 2006 7:30 AM
And a hearty good Thursday mornin' to one and all. Tom, maybe a toasted English and a pat of butter to go with a cuppa Joe this beautiful a.m., thanks. I'd like to thank all those with best wishes for a good follow up at the V.A.. The "well wishes" worked like a charm; passing grades all around, thanks again. Hey Lovedomes Lars, congratulations on the MVP award which attests to your positive willingness to keep the "flow" going.[tup] Pete, promotion manager? I haven't apprised myself of all the responsibilities that position entails but am confident you will handle them with dignity and aplomb, good show.[tup] I have only made it as far as Rob's first post on this page (321) which was quite a trek in itself. Passengerfan Als voluminous but much appreciated 3 or 4 part (I forget) treatise on the C.B.Q. caused a bit of a "lock down" on my forward progress. Good luck with getting the "word" published and please let us know when the book will be out.

Please don't anyone be offended if I neglect to mention your specific post. The truth is: I just ain't there yet[V] Mike thank you for the fine mail on the traction side of N. California, i.e. S.N. and Bay Area interurban (radial) related data. The newspaper article is a "keeper." Doug, "Living with Steam" was a direct hit on my Achilles Heel, thanks, I needed that.[^] All those great posts on the Burlington Zephyrs brought my "minds eye" back to Kcity, MO Union Station where, as a lad, I spent many hours transfixed in awe of their arrivals and departures. Hey, what is it about Toy and Model Train Day that still "brings the kid out of us?" I thoroughly enjoyed the generous efforts of Tom and all who made Wednesday a veritable "fountain of youth."[^] This preposterous schedule I've been keeping hasn't let up but believe me the "spirit is willing but the flesh says no."[v] Rob, you were correct in "reading between the lines." I am indeed "up" for our rendesvous and appreciate the mail from you and Tom including helpful travel tips. Until I'm able to pop in again, I bid all of you happy rails now and always. It's off to the I-State today and, oh yes, Tom and Lars I will do as much as possible to "fill in" during the projected absences. Okay Boris, it is your "time to shine." BLAPHT!!! Gadfey, he hit the brass cuspidor.[:(!] So long for now.
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 4, 2006 5:24 AM




RAILWAYS of EUROPE #6 – X2000 of Sweden

Arrives this morning!

Watch for it!


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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 4, 2006 5:22 AM

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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 May 2006, 05:27:13 (321) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(2) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 03 May 2006, 08:27:56 (321) MVP comments & Lars Report!

(3) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 03 May 2006, 08:28:11 (321) [tup] WVA report, CM3-style & URL!!

(4) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 03 May 2006, 08:41:26 (321) Lionel Diesel locos, etc.

(5) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 May 2006, 09:36:50 (321) Inclusive Post, Count Robulla style!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 May 2006, 10:35:33 (321) Acknowledgments & Comments

(7) BudKarr BK Posted: 03 May 2006, 11:58:45 (321) [tup] Euro Toy Trains & BK Report!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 May 2006, 13:51:36 (321) Toy Train, etc.

(9) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 03 May 2006, 15:29:05 (321) Lars visit!

(10) passengerfan Al Posted: 03 May 2006, 16:13:08 (321) Ponderism!

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 May 2006, 16:59:19 (321) Acknowledgments

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 May 2006, 22:34:41 (322) Count Robulla’s thoughts

(13) pwolfe Pete Posted: 04 May 2006, 00:16:42 (322) Wolfman’s Nite Cap!




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Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, May 4, 2006 12:16 AM
Hi Tom and all.

A bathams XXX please Leon.

Sorry for the lateness I had better get around in for tomorrow.

Great first Toy and Model Trains Day[tup][tup][tup].

MIKE Loved the Lone Ranger comment. Some great links again those old photos are brilliant[tup]. What a great postion that Saloon is in the photo of Keokuk IA looking over the tracks and the map of the Mark Twain Zepher was most helpful. I wonder if they run the Zepher loco #9911 still.

LARS Thanks for the kind words. Good acceptance speech [tup] and great post on the Lionel Diesels. I will have to tell you about St George,s flag

BK Thanks for the Euro model loco pics The 3600 electric loco has a bit of the look of GG1 Pennsy locos.

ROB Great info on the customised E type diesels used on the Q. I wonder if a munufacturer today would be prepared to make those kind of changes to a standard loco. I dont think I will be trusted with digital camera so it will be the old 35mm in England. Good to see you in tonight.

TOM the post on the history of model trains is a great find[yeah] with a lot of new info to me. I had not realised that electric model trains went back to 1897 and the way the different guages developed[tup].

If you were travelling by rail to Ireland from England via Holyhead you would go along the North Wales coast. As the line gets to run near the sea there are stations serving the towns which are holiday resorts. One of these is a town called RHYL, as you approach the station westbound you go under a signal gantry, though with less than half the signal arms it had in the past. The main station building is still quite impressive but where the platforms were, that used to serve the many holidaymakers in summer when vacations were taken by train, is now a large supermarket.

On leaving Rhyl station, after passing a H shaped bridge on the right hand side, is a boating lake, if you are lucky you may see a minature steam train this is the Rhyl Minature Railway.Opened in 1911 it is the oldest UK minature railway.
Rhyl was a favorite place for our vacation when I was a youngster and a ride on the train was a highlight, the train station was in the Fun Fair and took passengers around the boating lake. There is a great web-site, if you have time the history in words is worth a look.
for pics of the locos etc.They have a Gagney of New York built c1910 4-4-0 loco.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~stownsen/rhyl/rhylmain.htm
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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 10:34 PM
Good evening Leon, wake up. I'll have a nice keith's while I put my feet up for the evening.
Slow day but still some pretty good quality posts out there,bit sparce this afternoon and evening at times but we takes what we takes.

Tom Great article on the various and sundry of the large scale trains toy and otherwise. Very informative and well put together as per usual.Do you recall the section on the last couple of pages of Railroad Model Craftsman ? They always had a colume on classic old collectable trains toy and otherwise. Always good info. I haven't bout an RMC in yeasr so I don't know if that page is still run or not.

BK Please thank Lydia with here help in the creation of another fine photo sopread of some interesting european electric train models. ( even the diesels were neat [swg] )I'm bringing in a few cases of Kittling Ridges speacial reserve white wine 1997, Heather and I used it for our wedding really good Ontario wine.Seems a bit better than the H&H I can't believe it's not vinegar that we usually have around here[:O] <grin>I did get your email thanks fopr the response, I will attend to it in a few minutes.

Al It's too late at night for me to dig to deeply into your phillisofical delema on the CB&Q and the UP. Interesting food for thought though.A scary glimpse into the mid of the twenty fingered one to be sure [:O][swg]


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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 4:59 PM
G'day!

Nice to see ya again Lars! And I see Al has made it too! [tup]

Can't imagine the scenario you presented, in that I'm not "into" the behind the scenes aspect of the historical significance of it all. But, now we know what YOU think about, Al. [swg]

Wonder where Pete is today[?] Gotta check back to see if he's been "booked" elsewhere for the day . . . . Also, no word from Ted - hmmmmmmm - but then again, no news is good news - or as they used to say in the "olde west" - "no noose is good news!" [swg]

So, as you can determine - I'm kinda at the end of my rope with words as well! <grin>

Thanks for the rounds . . . . glad you enjoyed the Toy Train Post, Lars! We've had some good stuff today . . . worth an Encore! down the pike . . . .

Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 4:13 PM
Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

I realize the subject today is not CB&Q but I have been pondering what if.

The SAL named their three Premier streamliners Silver Comet, Silver Meteor and Silver Star.

Beginning with the Denver Zephyr all future CB&Q cars would have Silver Prefix names and even one streamliner Silver Streak Zephyr carried the Silver prefix name . Can you imagine if UP had owned the Silver Prefix naming would they have brought suit against the SAL?

Mind wonders sometimes maybe now that my nurse has changed my medication bag and battery for the day I guess I should have a nap.

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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 3:29 PM
Hiya Tom! and fellow travlers at the bar!

A round on me - a draught of whatever's on tap and slide those pretzels down my way, wudja[?] [tup]

Just stopped by to see what's going on - quiet I see. However, some really good posts on the "Toy Trains" for this day. [tup][tup]

Don't know what to tell ya about 20 FIngers - and perhaps better to stay away from my opinion! [swg] Yeah, I've seen him over at your "other thread" - good stuff today on the Katy! He sure can find the info, huh[?]

Your submission on the Toy Train is chock full o' good stuff - really an education piece and "must reading" for those engaged in toy & model trains. A primer, of sorts. [tup] Nicely done and I can see how much effort it took to get that all formatted and set up for this forum. [tup][tup][tup]

Didja see the great submission from my "bookend"[?][?] This from a guy who just a short time ago didn't seem to know or care about a locomotive from a pool table. Now look at him! [swg] I think we've had an impact on the guy. Postive, of course!! <grin>

Ok - I'm on my way outta here - gotta get into the kitchen and help the 1st Mate! [swg]


Until the next time! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 1:51 PM
G’day!

Nice work, BK! Certainly appreciate your taking the time out to contribute to this Wednesday's activties . . . [tup][tup][tup]

If there's one thing about this bar of ours that remains a constant, it is "we always here!" No matter how long one is gone, no matter where - once accessed, the good folks at Kalmbach have provided us with a retrieval system that 'works!' [tup]

Our THANX to Lydia for her hard work and that glass of white wine over there is for her - compliments of the house! [swg]

We've seen Al over at "my other thread" twice today - but only "peeking in" over here. He seems to think that just because he isn't a hobbyist, that this day isn't for him. Will someone, other than I PLEASE clue him in[?] Thanx!




My contribution to this, our first “Toy & Model Trains Day!” (formerly: Pike Perspective’s Day!)


Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements.


Toy train

A toy train is a toy that represents a train, distinguished from a model train by an emphasis on low cost and durability, rather than scale modeling. A toy train can be as simple as a pull toy that does not even run on track, or it might be operated by clockwork or a battery. Many toy trains blur the line between the two categories, running on electric power and approaching accurate scale.

Standards

The first widely adopted standards for toy trains running on track were introduced inLeipzig, Germany in 1891 by Märklin.

Name . . . . . Width . . . . . Width . . . . . size . . . . . . . . . . Comments
gauge . . . . . (metric) . . . . (imperial)

Number 5 . . . . 120 mm . . . 4 ft 5/8” . . . 1:8 . . . . . . . . . . Also known as V Gauge.
Number 4 . . . . . 75 mm . . . 3 in. . . . . . 1:11 or 1:20 . . . . Also known as IV or 3
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . gauge.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Measurement is sometimes
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . also quoted at 2 15/16 in.
Number 3 . . . . . 67 mm . . . 2 5/8 in . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . also known as III, II, IIa
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . gauges
Number 2 . . . . . 54 mm . . . 2 1/8 in . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . also know as II gauge.
Number 1 . . . . . 45 mm . . . 1 ¾ in . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Also known as I gauge.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Used by modern G scale.
Number 0 . . . . . 35 mm . . . 1 3/8 in . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Introduced later, around 1900.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This is modern O gauge.

Märklin measured the gauge as the distance between the centers of the two outer rails, rather than the distance between the outer rails themselves. Lionel's Standard gauge is allegedly the result of Lionel's misreading these standards, as are the variances in O gauge between the United States and Europe.

Most of these standards never really caught on, due to their large size, which made them impractical to use indoors, as well as the high price of manufacturing. Wide gauge trains, which are close in size to 2 gauge, are produced in limited quantities today, as are 1 gauge and O gauge trains. Of these, O gauge is the most popular.

An O gauge Marx toy train set made in the late 1940s or early 1950s.
GNU Free Documentation

The modern standards for toy trains also include S gauge, HO scale, N scale, and Z scale, in descending order of size. HO and N scale are the most popular model railway standards of today; inexpensive sets sold in toy stores and catalogs are less realistic than those sold to hobbyists. O gauge arguably remains the most popular toy train standard. Another size that is attracting interest among hobbyists is building and operating trains from LEGO, or L gauge, which is roughly 1/38 scale.

Although the words "scale" and "gauge" are often used interchangeably, toy train manufacturers have only recently concerned themselves with accurate scale. The terms "O scale" and "S scale" tend to imply serious scale modeling, while the terms "O gauge" and "S gauge" tend to imply toy trains manufactured by the likes of Lionel and American Flyer. While S gauge is fairly consistent at 1:64 scale, O gauge trains represent a variety of sizes. O gauge track happens to be 1/45 the size of real-world standard gauge track, so manufacturers in Continental Europe have traditionally used 1:45 for O gauge trains. British manufacturers rounded this up to 1:43, which is seven millimeters to the foot. U.S. manufacturers rounded it down to 1:48, which is a quarter-inch to the foot. However, most engaged in a practice of selective compression in order to make the trains fit in a smaller space, causing the actual scale to vary, and numerous manufacturers produced 1:64 scale trains—the proper size for S gauge—in O gauge, especially for cost-conscious lines.

Some of the earliest O gauge trains made of tinplate weren't scale at all, made to unrealistic, whimsical proportions similar in length to modern HO scale, but anywhere from one and a half to two times as wide and tall.

Some adult fans of toy trains operate their trains, while others only collect. Some toy train layouts are accessorized with scale models in an attempt to be as realistic as possible, while others are accessorized with toy buildings, cars, and figures. Some hobbyists will only buy accessories that were manufactured by the same company who made their trains. This practice is most common among fans of Marx and Lionel.

History


Toy trains can be enjoyed by both children and adults. (Fair Use)

The earliest toy trains date from the 19th century and were often made of cast iron. Motorized units running on track soon followed, powered by a steam or clockwork engine. Some of these trains used clever methods to whistle and smoke.

Toy trains were revolutionized when Märklin, a German firm that specialized in doll house accessories, sought to create an equivalent toy for boys where a constant revenue stream could be ensured by selling add-on accessories for years after the initial purchase. In addition to boxed sets containing a train and track, Märklin offered extra track, rolling stock, and buildings sold separately, creating the predecessor to the modern model train layout featuring buildings and scenery in addition to an operating train.

Electric trains followed, with the first appearing in 1897, produced by the U.S. firm Carlisle & Finch. As electricity became more common in the early 20th century, electric trains gained popularity and as time went on, these electric trains grew in sophistication, gaining lighting, the ability to change direction, to emit a whistling sound, to smoke, to remotely couple and uncouple cars and even load and unload cargo. Toy trains from the first half of the 20th century were often made of lithographed tin; later trains were often made mostly of plastic.

Prior to the 1950s, there was little distinction between toy trains and model railroads—model railroads were toys by definition. Pull toys and wind-up trains were marketed towards children, while electric trains were marketed towards teenagers, particularly teenaged boys. It was during the 1950s that the modern emphasis on realism in model railroading started to catch on.


CSX freight train emerging from a colorful truss bridge, one of many wooden toy trains offered by Whittle Shortline. (Wikimedia Commons)

Consumer interest in trains as toys waned in the late 1950s, but has experienced resurgence since the late 1990s due in large part to the popularity of Thomas the Tank Engine.

Today, S gauge and O gauge railroads are still considered toy trains even by their adherents and are often accessorized with semi-scale model buildings by Plasticville or K-Line (who owns the rights to the Plasticville-like buildings produced by Marx from the 1950s to the 1970s). Ironically, however, due to their high cost, one is more likely to find an HO scale or N scale train set in a toy store than an O scale set.

Many modern electric toy trains contain sophisticated electronics that emit digitized sound effects and allow the operator to safely and easily run multiple trains on one loop of track.


Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements.

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Posted by BudKarr on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 11:58 AM
Good Day Captain Tom and all assembled!


A hearty greeting from our mountain retreat and a round on us if you please, barkeep! A steaming mug of coffee, with just a “splash” of something to make it interesting will do fine for me. My lady would like one of those Napoleans from the Bakery case with a cup of tea, if you please! For me, I’ll take the #3 from your menu board that seems to be so popular with the guys. [swg]

My congratulations to LoveDomes Lars for the “MVP Award!” Well earned and deserved! [tup][tup][tup]

Tom You should be commended for coming up with ways to keep the guys interested, acknowledged, and inspired! Good show! [tup][tup][tup] On the “down side,” just one more item you have added to YOUR list of things to do and keep track of! <groan>


Appreciate the understanding with regard to my absence these past days. A bit hectic on the domestic front, but in short order, all will fall into place – if we do not, first (fall, that is!). [swg]


Thoroughly enjoyed the weekend’s activities – the photos and Encores! The “Railroads from Yesteryear” feature on Tuesday is indeed a “fixture” at the bar. Another wonderful idea and there is little doubt it has struck a positive chord with the guys! [tup]

Wonderful URL submissions from the man called, URLMeister! Just do not have the time available to enjoy them all. “Bookmarking” the pages that they are on, essentially gives you the entire page, which is no different than scrolling back to find them!

If there is to be an award for MLFTP – most looked forward to posts – it would go to Sir Coalminer! Enjoyable, diverse and always on the mark. [tup]

Captain Tom your emails have been received and answered! [tup] Rob Just received yours and really do not have anything to offer, especially since I will be away during the period in question – same for you, Lars. I think that catches me up . . .


As this may be my final “Pike Perspective Day,” or “Toy & Model Trains Day!” (the latter name seems more appropriate to the submissions of late) postings for awhile, I thought to continue with my Euro flavor of two weeks ago:



Trix SNCF BB 426000 ELECT LOCO

QUOTE: Prototype: French State Railways (SNCF) class 426000 dual system locomotive. "SYBIC" dual system locomotive. B-B wheel arrangement. Assigned to the freight service area (FRET).
from: Trix



Trix CFL CL 3600 ELECT LOCO

QUOTE: Prototype: Luxembourg State Railways (CFL) class 3600. In Bordeaux red as the prototype looked in Era IV. Design similar to the French BB 12 000.
from: Trix



Brawa Rail Car BR 465 (1950s-70s)

QUOTE: At the end of the 1950s, the electric power cars of the ET 65 series had become worn out through hard daily use. The acquisition of a replacement vehicle was out of the question for various reasons. Thus the DB decided to completely refurbi***he vehicles. All 23 power cars still in existence were therefore taken to the Stuttgart-Bad Cannstatt depot and completely reworked between 1961 and 1963. The complete renovation of the front part was the most obvious. The previous connecting doors were removed, the smooth surface front was equipped with 2 large rubber-mounted windows. At the other end, rubber beadings were attached to panels in order to give weather protection when moving from car to car.
The operator stands were completely modernised, an inductive train protection system was the safety standard at that time. The passenger comfort was significantly increased by new lighting and padded seats. In the modernised form, the ET 65 or from 1968 465 power car was in reliable daily service until its replacement by the S-Bahn in 1977.
from: Brawa



Brawa Diesel Locomotive BR 216 (1970s-80s)

QUOTE: In 1975 the new colour scheme (often referred to as "turquoise/beige") was officially introduced for locomotives and carriages. The Bundesbahn symbol, the DB "biscuit" was originally sea-blue in colour.
A number of locomotives of the 216 series were also painted in these colours which were typical of epoch 4 up to 1987. But even after that, many vehicles remained in service with the former colour scheme. And many of these also received the new eye-catching red DB symbol over the existing paintwork.
from: Brawa



Brawa Diesel Locomotive BR 232

QUOTE: The DB group has changed its "appearance" once again. The well-known DB logo will be extended in future according to whether the loco is owned by "Mobility", "Networks" or "Logistics". Since Railion counts as part of DB Logistics, the logos on Railion locomotives will also be changed. The new version is the simple logo "Railion" without the well-known box, supplemented by "DB Logistics". One of the first locomotives affected by this is the
232 675-9.
from: Brawa



Trix METRONOME 146.1 TRAIN SET

QUOTE: "Swinging in Time" – "Metronome" is the brand name for ten new bi-level trains operated by the Metronome Railroad Company Ltd. in Uelzen, Germany. These very modern locomotives and cars can be recognized from a distance by their striking, sophisticated design in the colors of yellow, white, and blue. Metronome has linked the cities of Hamburg and Bremen as well as Hamburg and Uelzen since December of 2003 as a regional express train railroad. The train name Metronome symbolizes together with the logo of a swinging pendulum the schedule concept of departures on an hourly schedule. Musicians are familiar with a metronome as a beat generator. For that reason the slogan for the Metronome trains is "Swinging in Time".
from: Trix


Note: As has been past practice, Lydia has helped immensely with these model train retrievals. My guess is she thinks I am learning something! <wink>

Enjoyed the posting by my “bookend” on the “Lionel Diesels!” [tup]


Good health and happiness to all! [tup]


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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 10:35 AM
G’day Gents!


A fine day yesterday, but we must “temper” it a bit, since our resident “font of passenger RR knowledge” contributed 7 Posts throughout the day! [tup][tup][tup] We know how to yank his chain, eh[?] [swg]

Thanx to all who contributed to and participated in our “Theme for the Day: CB&Q!!” [tup][tup][tup]

Today is the beginning of our newly anointed, Toy & Model Trains Day! For anyone who gets confused by all of these “events” – this is NOT A THEME DAY – simply the day of the week where those wishing to provide info & pix regarding their railroading hobbies may do so in synch with others of similar interests.

So, don’t shy away from Wednesday’s if you have nothing to offer along the lines of toy & model trains. Business as usual, gents! [tup]

Really enjoyed so much of what was offered yesterday that it would take far too long to chronicle my thoughts, especially in light of the accolades and accounts already given by Lars – CM3 ‘n Rob. So let me just offer my “dittos” for jobs well done and thanx for the support of our cyber bar! [tup][tup][tup]

I must make mention of those continuing fine URLs provided by our one and only URLMeister Mike! Spent a bit of time checking ‘em out and came away with good vibes – well worth it! [tup][tup][tup]


A flying start to the morning with contributions from Lars – CM3 ‘n Rob – mighty nice to see all of you and appreciate the business! Ka-ching, ka-ching, one more time! [swg]

Lars You actually have an uncle by the name of Børge [?] I won’t even begin to guess the pronounciation! [swg] Nice ‘acceptance’ speech – but your nearly got the “hook” as Rob mentioned! [swg] Remember, we’re into May now – so it’s “What have you done lately[?]” <grin> No time to bask in the glow of the MVP ‘round here. <laugh>

CM3 (I’m not Shane!) That’s one hulluva URL you dropped on us. I spent far too much time clicking through the various and assorted avenues! Good Gawd Gertie – there’s no end to it all! [swg] Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting, but . . . . .

Received your Email replies . . . thanx! [tup]

Rob A return to daylight! [wow] Almost didn’t recognize you in the brilliance of the day! [swg] Actually, it’s getting darker ‘n darker ‘round these parts as yet another storm system approaches our part of the continent. What was that I have been saying about needing the rain[?] Stop, already!! [swg]

CM3 Enjoyed the baseball references! Better said that I know about certain aspects of Cardinals and Browns history having called this area “home” for nearly 30 years of my almost 68. My “roots,” though are deeply entangled in those “Boys of Summer” called the Brooklyn Dodgers! Loved ‘em all . . . RIP. [tup]

Lars Appreciate your kicking off our Toys & Model Trains Day! with that fine piece on the Lionel Diesel locomotives. The book shown in the piece is a “keeper” and well worth the purchase for anyone interested in that sortathing! [tup]

Thanx to those who bought rounds and provided quarters for our Coal Scuttle! [tup]


Okay boyz – I expect to be here for the day! Belly up to the bar and place those orders! [swg]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 9:36 AM
Good morning Tom and the gang.

I think I will sample thee not often ordered #4 on the list, however hold the carpathian supprise [:O]. That and a very large OJ to force it down with.To reiterate quite the day yesterday, Nice to see the 20 post mark hit so early in the week. Kinda why we all hang out here I would think.

Lars Boris was timing that acceptance speach, you almost got the hook.[:O] Still no one more deserving of the inagural certificate.Interesting info on the Lionel diesels as well sir. You are right the Lionel system of model designation was a bot odd at first glance, however somehow it makes sence to me as well[%-)][(-D].

Shane / CM3 More baseball and trains today, good stuff [tup] I see that myboys are visiting Boston for the next couple of games, should be interesting we tend to play well against Boston and NYY.

I have to say that i have driven the WVA turnpike many a time, and you are correct the size and dimensions of some of the big trucks there as opposed to the road in places is not neccisarily for the faint of heart. I had the pleasure of witnessing a fully loaded hopper truck use one of the gravel truck run offs, had the paint chips to remeber it by as well and I was a good six car lengths back. Ever drive HWY 17 in Northern Ontario ( Trans Canada ) two lanes very scenic and infested with MOOSE , LOG TRUCKS , & RV's none of whom make for a delightfull experiance.

Interesting info on those cereal heralds,it's amazing how much $ worth some of the more obscure collectables will pull in. If for no other reason it's a gas just to see what people are willing to spend on Ebay.

Tom I don't no another up comming Zepher day, can the thread handle the strain captain[4:-)][oX)][oops]. It's good to see so many thumbs on the morning summery [tup] it seems that everyone is starting to get it.Loved the airtravel and flying "thots for the day as well" Kinda reminds me of a set of general rules of thumb for yard workers ( back yards ) The only one I remember at the moment was a speacial instruction for those laying sod down. GREEN SIDE UP ! .


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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 8:41 AM
Good Morning Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

Just caught your post., Coalminer3, etc. [swg] Thanks for the recognition! [tup]
Chock full o' baseball today - but always worth the read. I see your Red Sox are right back "up there," with the hated Yankees right behind! My Mets have pulled away to a 5 game lead and that's "amazing!" [swg] Tom's Cardinals fell a bit in Cincy - but I noticed that 3 of their big guns didn't play - Pujols - Rollen & Edmonds. That's 3 sure-fire All Stars out of the line up which surely had to contribute to their brief slide.

Interesting URL! [swg]

Ok - on to my "pre-prepared post!"

Another Wednesday and our first with a new name, “Model & Toy Trains Day!” Whatever the name, the idea as I understand it, is to contribute material relevant to the pursuit of model railroading all while keeping with the established criteria of Classic Trains. Is that correct, Herr Kapitan [?]


A round of your finest brew or OJ, for those wishing to imbibe! [tup]

Now, to my submission. It is amazing just how much “reality” is crammed into articles written under the guise of “toy trains” and model railroading. Check this one out for not only the fascination with Lionel trains but to glean some factual info regarding the real-life prototypes.


The following submission is from:



QUOTE: LIONEL DIESEL LOCOMOTIVES

Unlike most real railroads, Lionel was slow to embrace diesel locomotives. Prior to World War II, the only examples Lionel produced were the power units for the “M10000” streamliner and “Zephyr” replicas. All this chanted in 1948 when Lionel introduced its model of the F3 locomotive. In unusual arrangement, the tooling costs for the new model were shared jointly by General Motors (parent company of EMD - the Electro Motive Division, builders of the actual F3), Lionel, and the New York Central and Santa Fe railroads.

The new diesel model was a sales hit, especially the Santa Fe. In its heyday, 125 of the gleaming red and silver units were produced each hour. This popularity paved the way for a succession of other locomotive models and paint schemes – some quite realistic, others purely fictitious. Reproduction and forgeries of many of the Lionel F-3s are rampant, and the listings below will hopefully help in distinguishing actual Lionel production from fakes.

Most real “diesel” locomotives are actually diesel-electric. The diesel engine runs at a steady speed, turning a generator. The current produced is then fed to large motors, called traction motors, which are mounted in the locomotive’s trucks.

American Locomotive Company (ALCO) was a longtime supplier of steam locomotives and was not about to let an upstart like General Motors get the upper hand. Initially teaming with General Electric, ALCO produced a broad range of models for different needs. Its model FA (Freight-A unit) was the equal of the EMD F3, and was about the same size in real life. Lionel, however, chose to offer its FA replica as O27 item, and it was substantially downsized from scale. Because the FA was the only ALCO diesel Lionel duplicated, many collectors use the name ALCO interchangeably with the model name FA.

Other GM-built locomotives Lionel chose to duplicate were the NW-2 switcher and GP7 General Purpose diesels. Lionel also listed GP9 diesel models in its catalog, but in actuality these were merely replicas of GP7 diesels with dynamic brake housings. On a real locomotive dynamic braking is achieved by using the locomotive’s traction motors as generators when going downhill or slowing the train. The current produced is then dissipated through windings, generating heat, which is why the large housing and blower are required. Its purpose is to lessen the wear on the train’s service brakes.

Longtime heavy-machinery builder Fairbanks-Morse had perfected an opposed-piston engine prior to WWII. During the war, hundreds of these were supplied for use in submarines and other Navy ships. Its high horsepower-to-weight ratio and compact size made it a natural for adaptation as a locomotive power plant, and F-M entered the locomotive market. The H24-66 (2,400 horsepower, two six-wheel trucks) “Train Master” locomotives were substantially more powerful than any other diesels on the market at the time. IT is not surprising that Lionel produced a model of these powerhouses. As with ALCO products, Lionel duplicated only one of the many models Fairbanks-Morse offered, resulting in collectors using the terms “Train Master,” F-M, and Fairbanks-Morse interchangeably.

Lionel introduced a new style switcher to its product line in 1956 with the 44-ton GE switcher. Lionel’s version was not an accurate model because it was grossly oversized. Actual 44-ton switchers were created to doge a stipulation in a 1937 agreement with the Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen and Enginemen. That agreement specified that a fireman would be required on any locomotive weighing 90,000 lbs or more. At 44 tons, the little GE was just under the limit.

The F3 and ALCO models were of a style of locomotive sometimes referred to as “covered wagons.” This name came from the shape of the round-topped full-width car body of the locomotives. Lionel’s power units were all replicas of what was known as an “A” unit. A real “A” unit had the locomotive cab, with windshield and engineers controls near one end. Other units, known as “B” units, were produced by ALCO, EMD, and other builders. These locomotives lacked the cab and engineer positions, and were controlled by an engineer in the adjacent A unit. This type of arrangement is known as a multiple unit lash up and an infinite number of locomotives, both A and B units, could be connected and controlled this way. From the real railroad’s perspective, the advantage of the B unit was its lower cost because of the lack of expensive controls and cab fittings. Further, locomotive builders often used letters to designate various models, such as E, F, GP, H, FT, FA, etc.

To add to this alphabet soup, Lionel created its own terminology for their diesel replicas. Power units had the suffix P added to the catalog number, dummy A units had the suffix T (for trailer), and B units – all of which were dummy – were assigned the suffix C, for center. Thus an A-B-A lashup of 2343 F3s would consist of a 2343P-2343C-2343T.


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If you missed my previous submission on Lionel Steam locomotives it is on page 309, 19 April 2006



Until the next time!

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Posted by coalminer3 on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 8:28 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Lots of good Q material yesterday.

Tom – Historical summaries were most helpful.

Al – More material for the binder. If you thought sorting out C&O cars was a project...at least many of the Burlington cars stayed in the family. We won’t even get into ancestry of BN equipment. BTW, my interest in locomotive history is about the same as yours in cars; it is hard to control, I know.

Lars – MVP – way to go!

Rob – We had been legally apart for a long time, so she got the convertible and the trip to the WV “high risk” pool. The coal trucks are interesting, especially on some of the “roads” here. The new supplement that with rock trucks and log trucks (which are truly scary in confined areas). The WV Turnpike features hazmats and, in, drivers operating rolling condominia who are all from states with no hills or mountainous terrain. I know, Boris will drag me into the “rat room” so I’ll stop.

Wanswheel – Rogers Hornsby – another guy with an attitude...of course he did have a.358 lifetime batting average. He played for both St. Louis teams (our ‘steamed proprietor knows all about this), a year for the Cubs, a year for the Giants and a year for the Boston Braves.

His stats for his year with the Braves (1928) were insane; .387 batting average, .632 slugging pct. And he did all of that while being walked 107 times. The rest of the team that year was awful – Tom remembers, the Cardinals won the NL pennant that year.

BTW, as a Cardinal he hit over .400 three times. His highest yearly batting average was .424 in 1924; he also scored 121 runs and had 94 rbi; truly scary stuff!

Many of you remember Tom Hanks’ “No crying in baseball” scene from the movie “A League of Their Own.” Hornsby is mentioned in that scene. Also, there was a Burlington train in the movie as well – how was that for getting back on target (and I did it w/o a net!)

Pike/Toy day today so we’ll talk about cereal premiums. I was rummaging through the east wing and found a bag of replica metal railroad heralds. Then went to e-bay and was amazed at the price for one of them. So the research dept went to work and found out the following.

The heralds were premiums in Sugar Crisp back in the 1950s (one to a box). They were issued for the following railroads. GN, Erie, DL&W, CRI&P, ATSF, RDG, NYC, NKP, PRR, C&O, WP, UP, CNW, CB&Q, MKT, SAL, PRR, and IC. I found that I had most of them – probably incurred a horrific dental bill from eating all of that sugar.

You can go to http://theimaginaryworld.com and follow the links to see all sorts of advertising material related to premiums. There is a poster for Sugar Crisp which describes the railroad offering. Sorry to destroy your evening, but this site is fascinating.

BTW, I found a Ted Williams ring premium on the site which I had never seen before.

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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 8:27 AM
Good Morning Kapitan Tom and Breakfast Clubers! [swg]


What’s to say[?] Another day, another award! [wow] So, I’m in the ”Our” Place history book, huh[?] An honor indeed, and most surprising. This came “out of the blue for me, didn’t have a clue that such an award was in the making.

Many THANKS to you, Proprietor Tom – and I’d like to thank my producer, Wille Sutton without whose funding this effort would never have been possible; my director, Willie Schumaker without whose determination to reach the finish line this could not have been possible, and of course, my hero, Willie Mays without whose skill, determination and genuine love of the game, I would never have been able to hit it out of the park. And, to my great aunt, Ingrid, my uncle Børge, my . . . . [swg]

I truly appreciate the recognition from those of you who picked up on the MVP – THANKS! [tup][tup][tup]

There’s no way I believe I’m in the company of guys like Doug – Rob ‘n Pete when it comes to meeting that criteria for the award! [wow] Then of course there’s Coalminer3 (I’m not Shane!) coal-what’s-his-face! who has been providing countless Monday thru Friday posts since Moby *** was a minnow. And of course, passengerfan Al with those facts-filled, data heavy Steamliners! Actually, all of you guys are MVPs – and I salute you! [tup][tup][tup]


Time for a bit of breakfast – and I’m buying! Please fix me a #3 from the menu board, another cuppa Joe and I’ll check out the pastries while waiting. Boris ring the bell! [tup]


Looks like a fine fini***o a good day! [tup][tup] Your selection of a “theme” for the RRs from Yesteryear was a sure fire winnAH with one Mr. 20 Fingers! What was his “count” – 7 Posts[?] Not bad, huh[?] Must’ve really flicked his “Bic” big time! [swg]

Al I enjoyed those “tributes” of yours regarding the Santa Fe and Burlington Route! Very well said and certainly made some “points.” By the way – good luck with your book! Do we all get signed copies (promptly upon payment, of course!)[?] [swg]

I like the idea of a “Promotions Manager,” and Wolfman is just the guy to do it! Pretty soon we’ll be hoisting the “Union Jack” right along side “Old Glory!” – blimey! [swg]

Always enjoy your comments, Pete and the bar is going to be a bit lonely during your rather prolonged absence. Maybe we should chip in and purchase a laptop for you along with a connection to the satellite system that enables one to be “connected” no matter where they are! [yeah] That’’ll work . . . [swg]

Once again some fine URLs from the URLMEISTER, himself. I particularly liked that panoramic shot overlooking Tompkinsville, Staten Island! [tup][tup][tup] Surely doesn’t look like that anymore! Bet you remember that scene, Tom – you were just a “mid-shipman” back then, huh[?] [swg]

Also, some fine looking DOMES on the steam excursion train! [tup][tup][tup]

Good to see the emergence of Count Robulla! And emerge he did with some fine on point comments along with a “theme”input. [tup][tup][tup]

Time for me to get my “Model & Toy Trains Day!” post ready for submission. So, I’ll just enjoy my breakfast and stick ‘round for a bit!


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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 5:27 AM

courtesy: www.trainweb.org

We open at 6 AM. (All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


WEDNESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


It’s mid-week and a new day! - Join us for breakfast – select a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from the Menu Board. Some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, and of course a large mug of steaming hot, freshly ground and brewed coffee![tup]


Daily Wisdom

Next to hoss rustlin’, curiosity is the most dangerous crime.


Info for the Day:


Railways of Europe #6 –
X2000 of Sweden arrives Thursday!


Railroads from Yesteryear – The Burlington Zephyrs
arrives next Tuesday!


* Weekly Calendar:


TODAY: Model & Toy Trains Day!
Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


MVP Award Winners


April 2006 . . . LoveDome Lars



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Nearly Always True

"Flashlights are tubular metal containers kept in a flight bag for the purpose of storing dead batteries."

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"Just remember, if you crash because of weather, your funeral will be
held on a sunny day."

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Advice given to RAF pilots during WWII: "When a prang (crash) seems inevitable, endeavor to strike the softest, cheapest object in the vicinity as slow and gently as possible."

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"The Piper Cub is the safest airplane in the world; it can just barely kill you." - Attributed to Max Stanley (Northrop test pilot)

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"Never fly in the same cockpit with someone braver than you."

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"There is no reason to fly through a thunderstorm in peacetime."
- Sign over squadron ops desk at Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ,

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"If something hasn't broken on your helicopter, it's about
to."

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Basic Flying Rules: "Try to stay in the middle of the air.
Do not go near the edges of it.
The edges of the air can be recognized by the appearance of ground, buildings, sea, trees and interstellar space.
It is much more difficult to fly there."

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As the test pilot climbs out of the experimental aircraft, having torn off the wings and tail in the crash landing, the cra***ruck arrives, the rescuer sees a bloodied pilot and asks "What happened?".
The pilot's reply: "I don't know, I just got here myself!"
- Attributed to Ray Crandell (Lockheed test pilot)

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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 May 2006, 05:21:15 (320) Tuesday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 May 2006, 05:25:00 (320) RR from Yesteryear – Ad

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 May 2006, 07:14:28 (320) THEME: Fallen Flag: Burlington Route

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 02 May 2006, 07:23:12 (320) Right Coast report – Bear style!

(5) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 02 May 2006, 07:27:52 (320) etc.

(6) passengerfan Al Posted: 02 May 2006, 08:11:17 (320) THEME: CB&Q Streamlined sleeping cars, pt I

(7) passengerfan Al Posted: 02 May 2006, 08:15:53 (320) etc.

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 May 2006, 08:59:57 (320) RR from Yesteryear: Chicago, Burlington & Quincy

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 May 2006, 11:20:35 (320) Acknowledgments & Comments

(10) passengerfan Al Posted: 02 May 2006, 13:45:28 (320) THEME: CB&Q Streamlined sleeping cars, pt II

(11) LoveDomes Tom Posted: 02 May 2006, 14:42:38 (320) Lars Report!

(12) passengerfan Al Posted: 02 May 2006, 16:16:05 (320) THEME: CB&Q Streamlined domes, pt I

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 May 2006, 16:54:24 (320) [tup] 1st MVP Award!

(14) passengerfan Al Posted: 02 May 2006, 17:30:21 (320) [tup]THEME: CB&Q Streamlined domes, pt II

(15) pwolfe Pete Posted: 02 May 2006, 17:55:43 (321) [tup]Wolfman’s Howling Inclusive Post!

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 May 2006, 19:09:41 (321) [tup] Acknowledgments, etc.

(17) passengerfan Al Posted: 02 May 2006, 20:18:55 (321) CB&Q Tribute

(18) passengerfan Al Posted: 02 May 2006, 20:20:52 (321) Post Script

(19) pwolfe Pete Posted: 02 May 2006, 21:37:17 (321) [tup] Inclusive Post, Wolfman style!

(20) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 May 2006, 22:40:29 (321) [tup] Inclusive Post, Count Robulla style!

(21) wanswheel Mike Posted: 02 May 2006, 22:48:38 (321) Return of the URLMEister

(22) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 May 2006, 23:07: (321) THEME: CB&Q

(23) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 May 2006, 23:11:54 (321) for Mike


[tup] denotes acknowledgment of MVP

That’s it! [tup][;)]


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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 11:11 PM
Hey Mike how are you pull up a stump. More great url's sir and right on topic as per usual simply amazing [bow] If they did have a "Silver Heels" It would have to have CN or CP markings, Jay was originally from Ontario. The Brantford six nations reserve if I remember correctly.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 11:07 PM
Well the day ain't done yet so Leon another round if you would be so kind sir.We've had quite the infofest on the mighty "Q" today. Another triumph for our esteemed propriator to be sure. I'm glad to see so many ahve jumped in with some really good info.The next is some "stuff" on early CB&Q passenger power that I manges to glean from several wide flung articles in Diesel Era magazine, a good read if you can find them.

The CB&Q was always a big user of early EMD "E" tyupe passenger units, used on most of their long and short distance passenger trains,the next is a few highlights of "E" action on the "Q"

In mid 1939 CB&Q picked up the first of EMC's off the shelf production passenger locomotives E3 822. It was tested on the Twin Zepher the flexibility of this first stand alone ( separate ) locomotive for passenger service which they found was more practical than the articulated pioneer zepher loco/car combinations. The next E units they purchased were custom built E5's ( CB&Q / EMC brain storm ) these were E6's custom built with the flutted stainless panesl to match the Budd cars of the Zepher train sets. They also recieved speacial custom built truck skirts never fitted to any other E units built by EMC/EMD. Thes E5's were built between Feb and March of 1940 6 A units and 5 B units. A-B sets 9910 A-B to 9912 A-B operated on the Exhibition Flyer while single A unit 9909 powerd the Aristocrat. The other two stes went to subsiduaries Colorado Southern 9950 A-B and the Fort worth and Denver recieved 9980 A-B. In late 1940 another single E5A 9913 was purchased to power the joint Rock/CB&Q Zepher Rocket.

In june of 1941 four more E5's were purchased to diesilize the Chicago twin Cities Black Hawk. these were A-A sets 9914 A-B and 9915 A-B During the war CB&Q tried to purchase additional E5's but could not due to shortages so the E5's were the last passebger diesels the Q bought until after the war.

Modifications made to the E5's over the years included the removal of the truck skirting in the 40's and in the 50's they recieved nose mounted MU recepticals. wrecks claoimed three of this unique fleet 9914 B , 9915 A and FD&W's 9980. In March 1965 the CB&Q retired the rest of the E5 fleet all traded into GE for new U25 locomotives. The C&S and Remaining FW&D units lasted longer in service till 1967, when passenger service ended on those roads, they were traded to EMD for SD40's. C&S's 9952 A was aquired by the Illinois Railway Museum where it still is today. Any Pictures Doug ?

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Posted by wanswheel on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 10:48 PM
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.

Pete, you must be referring to Joe Theismann of the Fighting Irish, who said, "Brilliant isn't a word that should be used in football. Football players aren't brilliant. Brilliant is for guys like Norman Einstein."

Al, with so many cars named for the Lone Ranger's horse they should have a SILVER HEELS for Tonto.

CM3, glad you liked the panorama. There's plenty more at the old www.loc.gov

WHITE RIVER JUNCTION
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/pan/6a10000/6a10700/6a10795r.jpg

LAS VEGAS
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/pan/6a13000/6a13900/6a13942r.jpg

DAWSON CITY
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/pan/6a23000/6a23400/6a23416r.jpg

STATEN ISLAND
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/pan/6a19000/6a19600/6a19655r.jpg

KEOKUK, IOWA (on the CB&Q) where Andrew Carnegie built IC bridge.
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/pan/6a04000/6a04600/6a04649r.jpg

BURLINGTON, if you can bear it, hometown of William Frawley, who is 119 and lives in TV Land
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/pan/6a05000/6a05000/6a05022r.jpg

Hi-o SILVER CHARGER, locomotive named for General Pershing's horse.
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/CBQ/CB&Q-9908_EMD_SILVER-CHARGER.jpg
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/cbq_silvercharger2.jpg interior view

GALLERY OF ZEPHERS with captions, PBS American Experience.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/streamliners/gallery/index.html

MARK TWAIN Zee article
http://www.gatewaynmra.org/articles/mt-zephyr.htm enlargeable photos

The KC Zee
http://www.billselleck.net/Images/galleries/mystuff/depot1.jpg

CB&Q Passengers at Union Station 1943
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/fsa/8d13000/8d13100/8d13160r.jpg

CB&Q Boxcar at San Bernardino 1943
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/fsa/8d27000/8d27600/8d27653r.jpg

AURORA ROUNDHOUSE & SHOPS
1859 http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/il/il0300/il0390/photos/062410pv.jpg
1898 http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/il/il0300/il0390/photos/062415pr.jpg
BN http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/il/il0300/il0390/color/572103cv.jpg

AURORA excursion run 1997
http://64.246.11.82/images/f/File0142.jpg.47576.jpg

STEAM & DOME excursion
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/CBQ/03_Backing%20into%20Chicago%20station.jpg
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/CBQ/04_Run%20by%20-%201.jpg

FIVE OF A KIND
http://www.burlingtonroute.com/gallery/albums/Locomotives/cb_q_locomotives.sized.jpeg

TY COBB
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/pan/6a29000/6a29500/6a29516r.jpg

ROGERS HORNSBY
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/pan/6a29000/6a29300/6a29303r.jpg
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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 10:40 PM
Leon my good man a stiff CR for me and a round for the house seems it's still a bit full which is a good thing.

Lets see where to begin, first off I'm not dead just snowed under at work,crew evaluation time and me with a week off ( next week in may ) means they need to be done this week <ugh> Mind you the paper work is much better than unloading trucks etc.[swg]

Tom What can I say another fine infotacular tuesday afternoon and evening. The Mighty "Q" seems to have flicked many a switch today good stuff [tup]I did recieve all your emails, responded to those requiring an answer,looks as though alls good for next week [tup][tup]

BIGBEAR(Ted) I can hear the excitment in your typing [:D] Only 8 more sleeps and then all hell fun breaks loose. Hope the big T is ready for the likes of the three of us [swg]. Hope you get the big [tup] at your latest "tire" rotation downa t the VA

Doug Fine fine article yesterday good struff as per usual. those old mag articles have some really good stuff in them.Did your open house go well [?]

Lars Congradufriginlations ! LOL. It couldn't have happened to a better guy and patron at this here bar. Hopefully this new dust collector has a nice prominent wall spot in your recroom. I do so wi***hat you could have weasled your way to Toronto, oh the tales that could be told, and made if the four of us ever got/get together! Next time fer sure [tup] Hopefully all the late night shifts begin to ebb, I miss being in the same time zone post wise as the rest of you.

Nick What ho ole chap, thanks for the captions for a second week of gtreat photo's from your side o the pond. Glad you lied those old Sudbury Streetcar shots too !I had a couple incedents with odd behaviour by the forums server the last couple days as well. I never got locked out but it kept kicking me out,but keeping me signed in at the same time. Summer forum gremlins I'm guessing.

Al Wow tell us how you really feel about the CB&Q, my heads still spinning reading those fine posts [bow][bow]. Good luck with the publisher,let us know how it all pans put sir.

CM3 Hmmm baseball and a fine contribution to todays events all good sir. I think your other half must have a guardianb of some sort,close encounters with anykind of transport truck don't usually bode well for any car, let alone a small one. At least you got a convertable out of it [:O]

Pete Hey glad to see you in the ole bar several times today.I think you have been railroaded into that promotions manager position [swg]LOLI know that you are going over for a wedding so, your photographic equipment is going to get a work out on trains as well as weddings right [?] Sorry just trying to scare up more new and interesting Brit rail shots for the upcomming Sunday's this summer [:D]

Mike Great photo's and urls as per usual sir [tup] How do you do it [?] You must have a pretty good search engine working on your computer, keep up the good work.[tup]

well that should catch me up. I'll be back in a bit with a bit of CB&Q gold that I've found.

Rob

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Posted by pwolfe on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 9:37 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams please LEON.

AL As you say the CB&Q was a class act as were your posts on the streamliners and cars today.
Good luck with the publisher[tup][tup][tup].

TOM I was going to edit my post to read what a good name Ak-Sar- Ben was after reading your link but you would have caught me out. Is the secret Nebraska[?]
No wonder no one calls me Norman Einstein.[:-^].

Glad you liked the post . I thought the job of promotion manager involved studying the CAN-AM and drinking your beer. A job I think I could manage quite well.[swg].

Seriously though I do ask Alan to drop in at Our Place.
Another good day at the bar Tom. PETE.

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