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[West Coast S]

Encore Saturday Tom and all present, been a busy week, seems a move to new domiciles is in my near future, most likely Arizona, the misses has the final decision as to exact location!! With any luck the Gov. will permit a transfer to a new post, senority rules!!!

Have a busy next week planned too. Tomorrow is Railroad Days In Fullerton, a civic event sponsored by BNSF/Amtrak and the city for the past several years featuring displayed equiptment including AT&SF 4-8-4 3751. From Railroad Days it's off to the Orange Empire Railway Museum, they have just completed a restoration of a PE Blimp and a LA City Lines Birney to as built condition and i've been invited along on a privite tour by a local S scale traction modeling group.


As to the featured fallen flag, can't elaborate too much on "Miss Katy"

Katy like most roads, dieselized with the bakers approach " a little of this and a little of that" economies soon dictated that some semblence be restored. Products of Alco orgin were first on the hit list. Katy undertook a massive repowering program in the early sixties to scads of FA-1's and 2's. Katy contracted EMD to perform the necessary modifications, installation of EMD 567C prime assemblies required new roof hatches almost a foot taller the a similar unmodified Alco product, some had the Alco trucks replaced with the Blomberg, thus indication a change to EMD traction motors as well, they emerged in Deramis Red, a solid somber scheme. Units so converted had a long and usefull life, it was not uncommon to encounter Deramis FA's leased to such operators as the ROCK and even the mighty Union Pacific.

The sucessfull Alco conversion program, paved the way for similar conversions with the Baldwin roster.

Well, gotta get back to the matters at hand, catch you all later.


Dave

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.

Lars, that was a great fini***o a great game. David Wright, around here he's getting almost as famous as Wilbur and Orville.

I've heard from Eric, he intends to translate his website to English as time allows, but he's very busy at work. Said he had fun reading that awfully bad translation. I don't think he has a lot of spare time. Maybe if we keep talking about the X-2000 he'll be induced to post again. Eric was thoroughly involved with the test runs, as the engineer Sweden sent to teach the Amtrak crew all the ins and outs of making it go smoothly.

Kentucky Derby day. Shouldn't we have something about the L&N? Or the the C&O? A lot of trains went to Louisville. http://www.zeke.tzo.com/timecruncher/C&O22Dec68.jpg C&O

Tom, you didn't comment on my Penn Station urls or the 1935 PRR timetable. That's okay.
It'll keep for the 25th-century cyber archeologists who rake through all this stuff someday.

[LoveDomes]

G'day Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!


Mets win in the 14th! [tup][tup][tup] It's been a looooooong time, but is it possible that WE can finally overtake those Braves for a Division Championship and hopefully the NL Pennant[?] I think so! [yeah]

Good to "see" you guys since my last visit - and as with Tom I'm in between "chores" myself. Just wanted to get this Encore! out - then get back to the grind . . .

Did get my e-mail off to Eric and hope he stops by. [tup]

I'll take a quick belt of JD on the rocks, though . . . .[swg]

QUOTE: Posted by LoveDomes Posted: 26 Feb 2006, 11:34:44
appeared first on page 248

All of the following are from the Alaska Railroad (www.akrr.com) web site with their permission.


The "Hurricane Turn" passenger service hugs the Susitna River just outside Talkeetna on a wintry day in early February. Mt. McKinley is pictured in the background.(from: www.akrr.com)




The 4004 or Spirit of Whittier moves gravel from the Matanuska-Susitna Valley towards Anchorage on a late September morning. (from: www.akrr.com)



Rounding the bend in the historic Loop District on the Coastal Classic. The Coastal Classic provides passenger service with daily summer service between Anchorage and the town of Seward. (from: www.akrr.com)



An SD70MAC, leads the Denali Star passenger train out of the Anchorage Historic Depot on a run to Fairbanks.(from: www.akrr.com)



Enjoy one and all. Makes you want to head right on up to the 49th State and board the train![tup]

Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG & NOSTALGIA
first Posted on page 110

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from The Official Guide of the Railways – Aug 1956:



Missouri – Kansas – Texas Railroad (MKT – KATY Lines)


On hand reference material does not provide a detailed equipment listing, however there are some items of interest:

Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Passenger trains of note: Katy Flyer – The Bluebonnet – Texas Special

Slogans: The KATY Railroad – Natural Route Southwest.

….. Only ONE COUPON is required for passage between any two points on MISSOURI – KANSAS – TEXAS LINES.

….. “Texas Special Route – Frisco – M-K-T Lines” from St. Louis to Dallas, Fort Worth, Wichita Falls, Waco, Temple, Austin, San Antonio, Houston and Intermediate points.

….. Specify Katy’s New Fast Service – 17 hours – Kansas City to Dallas - Fort Worth. Second Morning Delivery from Chicago Via C.B.&Q. – Kansas City – M.K.T.

Advertisements: Route ‘em Katy Southwest

….. On The Famous Streamlined Texas Special

Luxury sleeping car and coach accommodations, nationally famous diner meals please every taste, every budget. Friendly, attentive service in an atmosphere of restful comfort. Through sleeping cars to and from Chicago, New York, Washington and the Metropolitan East, via the St. Louis gateway.

Daily between St. Louis and San Antonio.

….. On The De Lux Texas Bluebonnet

Bedroom and Section accommodations available between Kansas City, Forth Worth, Dallas and San Antonio. Roomettes between Kansas City and Dallas; Diner-lounge car … traditionally superb Bluebonnet diner meals. Dallas and Fort Worth passengers particularly appreciate the “just right” overnight Bluebonnet schedule. You retire at your usual bedtime, arrive refreshed and rested

Short line between Kansas City and the principal cities of Texas (daily).

Famous Meals a feature of Katy Dining Car Service!

Breakfast .75 to $1.75

Luncheon $1.20 to $2.50

Dinner $1.20 to $5.50

Know Your Pullmans

All regularly assigned sleeping cars on Katy-Lines are numbered. Car 16, for example is invariably a 14 Roomette, 4 bedroom cars, operating on the Texas Special between St. Louis and Dallas. Reservations are made accordingly.

On these pages sleeping car numbers are featured for your guidance. It is a good idea to check your reservations to be sure your space has been properly assigned.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

[siberianmo]

G'day!

"Chore day" around the Haus! Just took a "break" to see who has been "in" . . .

Ah, my friend Fergie from the "Coffee Shop" has made his monthly visit . . . always good to "hear" from our Canadian Coast Guard liaison! [tup] Interesting URL and info on the Newfie RR museum - current or previous visit[?] Oooooops, I forgot - "Fergie" is one of our "Hit 'n Run" providers of info ... given that he's not a "regular" nor a member of our "Order of the Stools" - he's not subject to being Tweeeted! [swg]

Some night Posts from Doug 'n Rob along with another early this morning from barndad pretty much rounds out the acknowledgments. [tup][tup] Oooooops (again) - URLMeister was "in" last evening as well! [tup]

Good readin' material Doug!, just have to find some time to get roundtuit! [swg]

Email received from Eric - suggest you guys drop him a Forum's message via Email - let's encourage his participation! [tup] Just scroll back to Page 322 - click on his cyber name and "off you go!"

Today is ENCORE! Saturday and my guess is that we will have very little activity. Why[?] Several guys are expected to be among the missing . . . .

Enjoy the day!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[Fergmiester]

Good Morning All

Speaking of the Caribou it's another Large Day here in St John's!

And this is where the Caribou would arrive/depart. They turned it into a Railway Museum


www.railwaycoastalmuseum.ca
Great little spot and well worth the $5 admission. It has also allowed me to establish a pay skill for those working on the MESS.



I'll be taking applications next week, those interested may apply within. Please note policy regarding the purchasing of tools[:D]

Trolley Boy Rob: There is also a small section that talks about the Street cars that were operated in St John's, Which is good as I thought I was imagining I saw a piece of old track peeking through a pot hole on Water Street the other day.

Anyway That's it for me today

Later All

Fergie

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG
first Posted on page 110

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Canadian National Railways (passenger operations)



Headquarters: Montreal, Quebec

Mileage as of 1955: 24,220

Locomotives as of 1963:

Steam: 0
Diesel: 2,125
Electric: 27

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars– 105,177 Passenger cars: 2,808

Principal routes in 1955:

Halifax, NS-Montreal, QC (two routes)
Halifax-Sydney, NS
St. John’s-Port aux Basques, NL (42” gauge)
Montreal-Portland, ME (via subsidiary Grand Trunk Railway in U.S.)
Montreal-New London, CT (via subsidiary Central Vermont in U.S.)
Quebec City-Montreal-Toronto-Windsor & Sarnia, ON-Detroit, MI & Chicago (via subsidiary GTW in U.S.)
Toronto-North Bay, ON
Toronto-Niagara Falls, ON
Quebec City-Winnipeg, MB
Montreal-Winnipeg
Winnipeg-Churchill, MB
Winnipeg-Duluth, MN (via subsidiary Duluth, Winnipeg & Pacific in U.S.)
Winnipeg-Vancouver, BC
Winnipeg-Regina, SK
Saskatoon, SK-Calgary, AB
Calgary-Edmonton, AB
Jasper, AB-Prince Rupert, BC

Passenger trains of note in 1955:

Super Continental (Montreal & Toronto-Vancouver)
Continental Limited (Montreal & Toronto-Vancouver)
Ocean Limited (Montreal-Halifax)
Scotian (Montreal-Halifax)
Caribou (St. John’s-Port aux Basques)
International Limited (Montreal-Toronto-Chicago)
Inter-City Limited (Montreal-Toronto-Detroit & Chicago)
Northland (Toronto-North Bay & Timmins & Kapuskasing, ON)
Maple Leaf (Toronto-Philadelphia & New York City)
Montrealer & Washingtonian (Montreal-New York City-Washington, DC)
Ambassador (Montreal-Boston)
Gull (Boston-Portland, ME-Saint John, NB-Halifax)

Of note:
Montreal & Toronto-Chicago route with GTW Detroit & Port Huron-Chicago.
Toronto-Philadelphia & New York route with Lehigh Valley, Niagara Falls, NY-New York City.
Montreal-New York City & Boston & Washington route with CV, B&M, NH and PRR.
Halifax-Boston route with CP, Maine Central and B&M.
Toronto-Timmins & Kapuskasing route with Ontario Northland Railway.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

[siberianmo]

courtesy: www.trainweb.org

We open at 6 AM. (All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


SATURDAYs INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


The weekend! - Join us for breakfast – select a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from the Menu Board. Some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, and of course a large mug of steaming hot, freshly ground and brewed coffee![tup]



Daily Wisdom


You’ll sure get out-pointed if you pick a fight with a porcupine.



Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear –
The Burlington Zephyrs arrives Tuesday!


* Weekly Calendar:


TODAY: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday



MVP Award Winners


April 2006 . . . LoveDome Lars



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Comedy Corner

Wisdom from Grandpa!


Whether a man winds up with a nest egg, or a goose egg, depends a lot on the kind of chick he marries.

Trouble in marriage often starts when a man gets so busy earnin' his salt that he forgets his sugar.

Too many couples marry for better, or for worse, but not for good.

When a man marries a woman, they become one; but the trouble starts when they try to decide which one.

If a man has enough horse sense to treat his wife like a thoroughbred, she will never turn into an old nag.

On anniversaries, the wise husband always forgets the past - but never the present.

A foolish husband says to his wife, "Honey, you stick to the washin', ironin', cookin' and scrubbin'. No wife of mine is gonna work."

Many girls like to marry a military man - he can cook, sew, and make beds and is in good health, and he's already used to taking orders.

Eventually you will reach a point when you stop lying about your age and start bragging about it.

Some people try to turn back their odometers. Not me, I want people to know "why" I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved.

How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are?

You know you are getting old, when everything either dries up or leaks.

Old age is when former classmates are so gray and wrinkled and bald, they don't recognize you.


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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) EricX2000 Eric Posted: 05 May 2006, 01:10:12 (322) 1st Post – 1st Visit!

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 May 2006, 05:37:13 (322) Friday’s Info & Summary

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 May 2006, 05:39:47 (322) For EricX2000

(4) barndad Doug Posted: 05 May 2006, 05:53:19 (323) Behind the curve, joke & cartoon!

(5) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 05 May 2006, 06:31:46 (323) Bear talk!

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 05 May 2006, 08:42:39 (323) WVA Report & Recap!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 May 2006, 10:48:20 (323) Acknowledgments & Comments

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 May 2006, 11:12:05 (323) Nostalgia #86 – Ad: PRR (1951)

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 May 2006, 11:37:47 (323) Count Robulla’s Report!

(10) BudKarr BK Posted: 05 May 2006, 12:45:57 (323) BK’s adieu [?]

(11) pwolfe Pete Posted: 05 May 2005, 13:54:11 (323) Report from the Wolf Den!

(12) LoveDomes
Posted: 05 May 2006, 15:07:11 (323) Lars Report!

(13) passengerfan Al Posted: 05 May 2006, 16:39:23 (323) PRR Streamlined dome cars

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 May 2006, 19:33:56 (323) Acknowledgments, Comments & Pix

(15) wanswheel Mike Posted: 05 May 2006, 19:37:29 (323) URLs

(16) barndad Doug Posted: 05 May 2006, 21:08:24 [tup] (323) Catch up, Growing up around Steam Locos, Cartoon!

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 May 2006, 22:43:41 (323) Nite time inclusive post!

(18) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 May 2006, 23:02:10 (323) Classic Diesels #21 – RR repowering




That’s it! [tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and friends! I'll have a coffee roll from the Mentor Bakery, if you please. Glad you liked the steam article Rob. Here is the conclusion to read with your morning coffee. It isn't very long ... so drink fast!

Growing Up Around Steam Locomotives by Robert A. Janz and Darwin Cooper
Vintage Rails No. 17, 1999

When I think back on this period in my young life, the first word that comes to mind is “harmony.” I loved railroading and steam engines, and I was allowed to have this experience which put me in complete harmony with my environment. What a fulfilling experience! I remember the smell of oil, grease, and coal dust on my engineman’s gloves; the acrid smell of the cinders and ashes from the locomotive’s firebox; the sweet smell of of the moisture laden steam spewing from the cylinder cocks; the panting of the air pumps; the humming of the dynamo; the noisy blower turned on full blast to get up a hot fire; but most importantly the feeling that I was where I should be.

Perhaps the most exciting event during this time was the appearance of a class Z 2-8-0 type locomotive. Because of increased tonnage in November 1941, the North Western started using a class Z engine on the way-freight from Chicago every Monday, Wednesday ad Friday. This meant that there also had to be a smaller R-1 4-6-0 type around to operate the way-freight west of Belvidere because of weight restrictions on a bridge at Cherry Valley.

The exciting thing for me was that I was going to get a chance to see a bigger engine than the R-1s, M-1s, and the class D 4-4-2s used on passenger trains through the Belvidere. I’ll never forget my first view of the class Z engine. It had a short stack and a large boiler and looked so big and high. The short stack meant real power to me. Yes, I ran this engine too. What I remember is that the throttle was hard for me to pull. Also, it was the first time I ever saw a Johnson bar that was small and power operated.

A month or two later, I planned to go out early on a Saturday morning to help Al, especially since I knew the Z would be there. On Friday a winter storm hit Belvidere and brought in sub-zero temperatures with very high winds. My mother tried to convince me that I should give up my plans. Of course, I would not be deterred. The wind roared all night, and Saturday morning was bitter cold. I dressed warmly and walked the two miles to North Yard (couldn’t use my bike due to snow and cold).

When I got to the engine terminal area, Al was there trying to thaw out the switch engine and class Z engine 1846. In addition, he had parked R-1 938 in the ro0undhouse. We spent the next few hours working on the switcher and 1846.

Because of school and other activities, I didn’t see Al very often, and a few weeks later when I saw him in downtown Belvidere, he told me that because of the freezing incident, the railroad decided to change the way-freight schedules and no longer tied up the engines at Belvidere. So I had got in on the last day of an R-1 or a Z being at Belvidere. On occasion, when half joking about where I want to be buried when this life is over, I smile and say, “Scatter my ashes over the area where North Yard once was.”

[trolleyboy]

CLASSIC DIESELS # 21 RAILROAD REPOWERING

This is a bit of info I have dug out,sparked by CM3's mention of the EMD repowering of older traded in locomotives.It was not uncommon for railroad shops to purchase EMD power units new or salvage Prime Movers out of wrecked units to extend the life of minority power.The following is a slight chart of some repowering of older ALCO diesels with EMD prime movers. In most cases the repowerings were done to replace the need to have spares for many different type of locomotive power plants. A reduced and homoginized inventory of parts was cheaper and more efficient for many railways.Espaecailly as the second generation of diesels founnd many of the minor locomotive manufacturers had gone out of business. The Baldwins and FM's and ALCO's of the world.

REPOWERING ALCO ROAD SWITCHERS 1200-2000 HP BB's

PC & Conrail rebuilt 55 RS3's with EMD 567c's in 1972-78 ( 1200hp )
Amtrak rebuilt 3 RS3's with EMD 567d's in 1981-84 ( 1200hp )
GB&W rebuilt 4 RS3's with MLW 251c engine 1975 ( 2000hp )
L&N rebuilt 1 RS3 with an MLW 251c engine 1973 ( 2000hp )
LSSCo rebuilt RS2 with a catapiller KTA3087 engine in 1982 ( 1800hp)

These rebuilds were performed in the railways own shops trunin the old 244 1600 horse roadswitchers into more modern easier to maintain locomotives. In most cases the short hoods weer chopped down in the Amtrak cases EMD style cabs were added.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Good evening again folks. i don't see Tom so I guess Leon's hiding out behind Boris's shed again. Oh well I'll leave a twenty for a round for our pool room rowdy's.

Doug Hey glad that you popped back in, First off good luck on that open house,secondly great little article sir some neat info there.Neat recollections of the dirty side of steam railroading. Glad you liked the E5 article.

Pete Have a good weekend excursion. [tup] No hurry on the HEP stuff,perhaps your friend Alan can get some info for you when you are back home.

BK Let me give you guys a [tup] and congradulations on your upcomming nuptuals and [tup][tup] for your vacation enjoy yourselves and we shall keep the homefires burning here as it were.

Lars yeah mid may bird flu for the JAYS mind you they killed the Angels tonight wierd season so far. i'm abit overwhelmed by the emails lately myself, I think I'm back on the upside of them again however. One more day of work for me tomorrow then I'm off and just await Tom and Ted's arrivals at the end of the week. Sure we can't slip you into Tom's luggage [swg] Good idea on dropping an Email to Eric he does seem like Our places kind of people.

Mike Nice shots from hamburg as always some great shots. Hope you enjoyed you Cinco de Mayo baseball game !

Al Nice extra Pennsey stuff. I too have given up on figuring out why Heather packs what she packs for trips , I just smile and load the trunk ( safer that way ) [swg]

Tom Nice pictures of your favourite of favourites. There's one museum member that is an absolute GG1 fan / foamer. He often wondered if Steamtown would have missed theirs if he hooked it up to his truck and ragged it to the Museum.Not that we could run it as it would likely eat the trackwork with it's weight. Easily they were the most reconnizable NA electric locomotive. BTW have you bought one of the Broadway LTD HO ones with sound yet [?]


Rob

[Anonymous]

Good evening Tom and friends! I could really use a bottomless draught this evening, and am more than ready to buy a round for the house. I even remembered to bring a dozen Michigan quarters for jukebox. Just for the record, I incorrectly stated that our farmhouse move was in 2 weeks. That was wrong. The actual move date is June 5th, with a hundred trips with small car loads from now till then. So there’s still time for all the painting I want to get done before we get a bunch of stuff in the way.

Speaking of stuff …. Time for me to try to catch-up on the stuff that’s here. I see a very successful CB&Q theme day from last Tuesday, with Tom leading the way, Al providing a well-done streamline sleeping car post, followed by Shane’s historical post, and then a historical post from Tom (nice Zephyr pix). Then Al posted the 2nd part of his sleeping car information (which was longggggggg and great!) followed by two CB&Q dome postings. Very well done gentlemen! Terrific stuff indeed!

Congratulations to our April MVP Lars ! Well deserved, and great idea to create this award Tom. Not to take anything away from Lars, but I think we all know who the real MVP has been for the past 12 months …….

Real funny URL of the sheep getting loaded in the stock car Mike. I can see this is just the beginning of the sheep jokes for me. Rob, the open house for the condo is tomorrow. I’ll be in Woodstock though …with my though. By the way, nice post to cap the theme day!

I’ll have to get better caught-up later, but let me leave this 3rd part of the Growing Up around Steam post for ya’ll:

Growing Up Around Steam Locomotives by Robert A. Janz and Darwin Cooper
Vintage Rails No. 17, 1999

At 5:45 that afternoon I was eagerly waiting for the switch engine and crew to roll up so the exciting adventure could begin. Al Nielson came walking up shortly after the arrival of the switcher and ushered me up into the cab. With me sitting in the fireman’s seat and Al at the throttle, we chugged slowly out to the roundhouse to put the engine to bed for the night. I noticed how the engine swayed back and forth on the uneven roadbed and low joints. We moved alongside rows and rows of bad order gondola cars.

Looking across the backhead over at Al at the throttle and out his window, I saw the remains of the huge sheep yards that had burned down a year or two before. The towering concrete coal chute loomed ahead, and Al spotted the engine’s tender right under one of the chutes. He then told me to remain seated in the fireman’s seat, after which he went down the cab steps, climbed up the rear of the tender, and pulled a long rope dangling from the chute until it was lowered into the tender and coal cascaded into the bunker. The coal dust floating through the cab convinced me to get an engineer’s hat for the next time out.

After completing this operation, Al eased the engine ahead to a section of track with metal sheets between the rails. Off to the side was a big pile of ashes. “Well, Dar,” Al said, “what do you suppose we are going to do now?” I mumbled something like, “guess we are going to do something with the fire in the firebox.” He nodded with a “yup” and pulled down from the top of the tender a big iron shaker bar that was formed at the end to fit on the metal bars sticking up through the floor of the cab just in fron of the firebox. I was familiar with shaking the grates in the furnace in my home, so this seemed logical and understandable. We shook the fire out of the firebox down onto the metal pans between the rails. Even though I was only 12 years old, I had no trouble doing my share, since I was taller and stronger than the average boy my age.

Upon finishing that task, Al moved the engine up about 50-75 feet, where I noted a big pile of scrap boards. “Now the hard work begins,” said Al as he handed me a shovel to help remove all the ashes we had just dumped out of the locomotive. As I recall we didn’t use a wheel barrow, but threw the ashes onto a pile about 10 feet away from the track. The city and county highway departments picked up these ashes for use in street repairs, and for spreading on the streets and roads during icy and snowy weather.

We had one more task to perform before we could head for home. Al led me back to the engine and up the steps into the cab. He then proceeded to demonstrate how to throw coal into the firebox and cover all areas of the grate evenly. We did this and covered the firebox surface with about six inches of coal. After finishing this we went over to the wood pile and threw a dozen or so long scrap boards up into the cab on the floor. We then threw the boards into the firebox and threw a thin layer of coal on top of the lumber. Al then checked the water glass to determine the level of the boiler and decided to turn on the injector while there was still enough steam pressure to do so. He then explained that we’d be all ready to start the fire in the morning.

While walking along the track back to Madison Street, Al asked me if I would like to do this again. Of course I said I wanted to do it as often as he permitted me. He invited me back at about six in the morning to see how to start up the fire.

The next morning I rode my bike over to the south end of North Yard, parked it in the weeds by the track, and walked out to the roundhouse. As I approached the coal tower I could hear and see that Al was filling the tower with coal. He was inside the hopper car hammering away at the sides to get the coal to slide out into the coal pit below. He didn’t put me through the rigors and dangers of doing this on this day, but I did it many times later.

He was just finishing up the coaling operation, so we soon walked over to where the switcher was parked and climbed up into the cab to start the fire, after he had pulled a couple of handfuls of oily waste out of a big bin located next to the hostler shanty. The procedure was to light a handful of waste and throw it strategically onto the lumber in the firebox. After the fire got going well, we would throw more coal on evenly throughout the box. With the blower on full blast, we had a full head of steam up in two or three hours.

Around 10-10:30 a.m., it was time to run the engine down to the south end of the yard at Madison Street, where the switching crew, consisting of the engineer, fireman, and two switchmen, would board the engine and run over the Kishwaukee bridge to the south side of Belvidere to commence their work for the day. We climbed up into the cab, and to my surprise Al said, “Get up there in the engineer’s seat and you run her, Dar.”

With joy and temerity I sat on the seat, and Al showed me the throttle, Johnson bar, air brakes for the engine, and the cylinder cocks lever. The first thing Al had me do was to locate the cylinder cocks lever on the cab floor in front of the engineer and push it forward with my foot. To do this I had to squeeze by the Johnson bar, a lever that came up through the floor in front of the engineer. Al had me pu***his forward, and it was tough because it was not powered by air or steam. I then tested the air brakes as instructed, and we were ready to go.

Now it was time to pull the throttle, which I tugged at with caution. The first sound was the hissing of steam from the open cylinder cocks, which were spewing out the excess moisture from the cylinders. We had to stop to throw a switch a little further on, and Al told me when to shut off the throttle and when to apply the air brake. From that day onward every day that summer, and at other times, Al let me run the engines (0-6-0s, 4-6-0s, and one 2-8-0) between the roundhouse and Madison Street about a mile away. How could this happen without Al getting into trouble with railroad officials? Simply because the freight yard had been closed in 1931, and there were no other employees in the roundhouse area. Also there were no railroad officials stationed at Belvidere, and everything moved at a casual pace.

This was indeed an unbelievable paradise for a boy who was totally immersed in railroads and steam. That summer of 1940, I went out to North Yard to help Al Nielson service the engines twice a day, six days a week. In fall 1940, I started delivering milk early every morning, so in summer 1941, I wasn’t able to help Al early in the morning, but helped him knock out the fires of the engines most every evening. Whenever I was there I ran the engine. There were times that I knocked out the fires or started them in the morning on my own, when Al was busy in the coal tower area trying to get all the coal out of a car. By this time I knew how to operate every valve, lever and cord in these relatively simple steam engines. One thing I had trouble with was operating the injectors properly. I guess I just didn’t understand the principle of how it worked to get it to prime right. The injector pulled water from the tender into the boiler.

Al had to make minor repairs on locomotives from time to time, and I had the fun of helping him with this too. In fact, he really did need my help at times. I recall helping repair a brake shoe on the driver of an engine. Another time I crawled into an engine firebox to fix one of the grates.

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house

Viva Cinco de Mayo! and a salute to the thousands of Mexicans who crossed the border after Pearl Harbor to serve in our Army, Navy and Marine Corps. . http://www.verdecanyonrr.com/VCR_PressReleases/PR_2-05Ole.htm

And some old PRR pics. I'll be sociable another time. The Mets are on.

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[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Al We have some "rules" here at the bar - several as a matter of fact! One of particular significance is that we NEVER - EVER - try to rationalize the behavior of the "fairer sex!" A definite Tweetable offense! . . . . Rule #19! [swg] However, in light of your "situation" and impending "transfer" to your brother-in-laws house - dispensation has been "awarded!"

That "South Wind" consist you mentioned must have looked a bit "funky" - kinda like when Amtrak came on the scene with all those "mixed" consists. Couldn't locate any definite domes that could be attributed to the "SW" - but several cars that had, at one time or another, been used on the Miami run.

Pete Regarding the GG1s - there are no operating units left that I'm aware of. The power grid system of today would probably be an "issue" for a GG1. As I understand it, those units were designed to run at 25 cycles (HZ) - the power grid of today is at or near 60 (HZ). Restoration - big time - would have to be undertaken. Fine machines for their time, to be sure. RIP! [tup]

Good to see visits by Rob - BK 'n Lars - makes for an interesting day at the "Feast or Famine bar 'n grill!" [swg]


Pennsy GG-1 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


REMINDER:
Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.
I never knew a woman could pack so much stuff to go away for four days. I have everything I need for four daus with the brother in Law in one small bag. The wife is taking two large bags and her sister likewise. Can't imagine why anyone needs five pair of shoes for four days. I have surprised them with tickets to Celine Dion that will be waiting at their hotel.

Pennsylvania
(PRR)
Streamlined Dome Cars
By Al

The PRR began operating a streamlined train between Chicago and Miami every third day beginning December 19, 1940. This train was named the SOUTH WIND a seven car coach streamliner like its counterparts IC and FEC introduced at the same time between Chicago and Miami.
Between the FEC DIXIE FLAGLER and IC CITY OF MIAMI along with the PRR owned SOUTH WIND daily coach streamliner service was instituted between Terminal Cities Chicago and Miami. Only the FEC tracks between Jacksonville and Miami hosted all three trains.
The SOUTH WIND was a seven car Coach streamliner built new for the service by Budd and painted in the PRR Tuscan Red defeating the purpose of buying a stainless steel train. The original seven car train consist follows:

6700 Baggage 16-Crew Dormitory 18-Seat Coach

4022 60-Revenue Seat Coach

4023 60-Revenue Seat Coach

4518 48-Seat Dining Car

4020 60-Revenue Seat Coach

4021 60-Revenue Seat Coach

1126 Kitchen 16-Seat Dining 35-Seat Lounge Observation

Following WW II the PRR added a second consist of the SOUTH WIND and added streamlined sleeping cars to both.
When it was learned that IC rival CITY OF MIAMI was going to lease Dome sleeper for the winter of 1959 the PRR decided to do the same to the SOUTH WIND consists.
The story for the Pennsylvania was similar to the IC except the PRR operated the leased NP Vista-Dome Sleeping cars in full NP colors, they never repainted any of the leased cars into PRR Tuscan red, they were assigned to the SOUTH WIND operating every other day between Chicago and Miami.
The first winter the PRR leased a pair of the Vista-Dome sleeping cars SP&S 306 and NP 309 was 1959.
After that winter the NP was unable to lease out dome sleepers due to traffic demands on the NORTH COAST LIMITED. It would be four years before dome sleepers returned to the SOUTH WIND consists in 1963 they leased SP&S 306 and NP 307, the same two cars returned for the winter of 1964. In 1965 it was CB&Q 304 and NP 307. In 1966 SP&S 306 returned along with NP 307. For the final year of leasing Vista-Domes for the winter 1967 SP&S 306 and NP 310 were the selected pair.
These became the only Domes to operate on the PRR.

TTFN Al

[LoveDomes]

G’day Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!


A round, barkeep, for the boyz at the bar! [tup] Boris let’s hear the sounds . . . [swg]

Make mine a frosty mug of Piels finest lager! [tup] No time for lunch, sad to say, we’re heading out shortly after this brief narrative – but should be back in early evening.

Nice smattering of customers today, a far cry from the other day, huh[?] As you say, Tom one just never knows at the “Hit & Miss Bar & Grill!” (or is that “Feast or Famine”[?]) [swg]

Always interesting “report” from Coalminer3 (I’m not Shane!), etc. [swg]

Bird Flu for the Cards AND Jays!! Bloomin’ amazing’ [swg]

I did manage to check out those pix from Sweden – simply wonderful! And mine is a Norwegian heritage. Yeah, I know, we’re all from the same gene pool! [swg] I’m confused – there’s an English version of Eric’s “profile” and other information available[?] Where[?] Nevertheless, hope the guy comes back – he’d be a great addition ‘round here. I’ll send him an e-mail invitation, and perhaps some other guys could do the same. With our numbers dwindling as we speak, it surely can’t hurt . . .

A “bunch” of e-mail received – some answered, others noted. Between the forums and the e-mail, I’m finding the “confusion factor” overtaking my life! <arggggggggggh!>

So, is BK “gone”[?] No – I think what he alluded to is that he and Lydia are being descended upon by guests who are at the “mountain retreat” for the wedding. So, with a house full, it may be quite difficult for him to break away. How would you put that[?] “Gee, I have to log into the cyber bar & grill to see what’s been said – and make some responses!” Yeah, right . . . [swg] So, Best Wishes to the two of you! [tup][tup][tup]

I’ve just about given up trying to figure out who will and who won’t be around for posting here at the bar during the next several days. My own time isn’t really mine – or so I am quickly finding out. We’ve got some things to take care of B4 departing, along with an unanticipated family matter to put to rest. Does “IT” ever end[?]

Pete I see you there - have a Bathams on me B4 you head out . . .

Love that Pennsy ad and the GG1 from yesterday – terrific on both counts! Then of course the “stuff” from 20 Fingers really hit “home!” Nicely done, gents! [tup][tup][tup]

I’ll try to get back in here a bit later on for some Pizza ‘n beer! But right now, I’m being “summoned!” <uh oh>


Until the next time!

Lars

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and are there any Fish 'N' Chips left.

A bit of a quick visit as we are going to the bride's mom for a couple of days. I should be back to post some pics Sunday afternoon.

Great posts today.

AL Interesting post on the increase of rail travel as gas prices rise. I wonder what will happen if they want to have more passenger trains on lines shared with the frieght companies who seem to be running near capacity as you say is starting to happen in California.

Great Pennsy posts with AL's on the Head end cars TOM's Nostalgia ad and thegreat photo of the GG1. Is the Electric supply still the same on the East Coast electrified lines so a GG1 still be run today on a special [?].

CM3 Great post Thanks for the info on the Alton & Southern and the locos.Its amazing how many different companies served St Louis[tup].

TED Sorry I missed the TV programme on the Rhyl Minature railway[:(]
I am not sure who owns the APT although it is kept, as you say near P. Watermans loco workshop. It was visable from trains travelling just north of Crewe station on the West Coast Main Line last time I was there.

DOUG Hope the move is still going OK[tup].

ROB I am still looking into the BR HEP loco conversions.

BK We will miss you while you are away at Our Place. Have a real GREAT time [yeah][tup][tup][tup].

TOM I hear the utility prices are skyrocketing in the UK as well.[V] It makes one wonder where it will all end.
Well I'll have the drink BK bought and leave a round to cover my abscence. PETE.

[BudKarr]

Good Day Captain Tom and all assembled!

This is a rather whirl wind visit - have many things to attend to, including receiving a houseful of arriving guests. It is going to be rather hectic from this afternoon on . . . .

A glass of white wine for my lady and a Southern Comfort on the rocks, if you please - and a round for the house! [tup] Sorry, but we do not have the time to sample your fine Friday buffet . . . [swg]

Thank you to all who have commented on my postings and forgive me if I do not single each of you out for recognition. One of those days.

Regarding email messages: It would be better to consider not sending any to me from now until we return in the middle of June. I seriously doubt that there will be opportunity for me to check them . . . thank you!

I must say that fellow from Sweden has an extremely interesting photo spread and it is worth the while to peruse. You say there is an Engli***ranslation available? Surely would help! [swg] I was able to pick out sufficient bits of information, given my limited linguistic skills, to come away with the opinion that he would be quite a friend and asset to have as a customer in this wonderful cyber bar & grill!

Sorry - but it IS time for me to depart.

Best to all and should I not return in the immediate future - I thank you in advance for your best wishes! [tup]


BK in beautiful Alberta, Canada's high mountain country!

[trolleyboy]

morning Tom and the gang, heck of a day yesterday we got all teh thunderstorms MO didn't want. LOL. I think a late order of a number 3 with some of BK's electric coffee[swg]

Tom I think my birds up here have caught the bird flu as well [tdn] You don't get too far when you do the ole win one lose one routine that they seem to have settled into [sigh] At least the season's young and so's the team.

Great info on the x2000 yesterday, neat system of to dream that similar tech would find route over here in the long term. Nice little Pennsey article this morning as well,feeling a bit nostalgic today [?]

BK Glad that you guys liked the new wine. I keep trying to sell H&H's secret rescipe to the liquid plumber people, but so far they aren't interested. LOL Iwas sad to see the flames go down as well they are team #2 for me as I do bleed blue and white otherwise [swg] I had noticed that up until last year walthers still imports some of those fine Euro models mind you the pricing in US funds woulg Gag a Healthy Maggot to use a Siberianmoism. i'm glad that you thought of joining us that would have been one heckuva suprise fer sure fer sure. Next time [tup]

Al I'm glad to hear you recieved a good report from the doc's. Now when you refer to the nurse as a main battle tank would that be an Abrams or a British Matilda tank that fought the Afrika Corps [?][swg]

Ted Exactly 6 days sir are you excited now or what [?] Hopefully we can make you forget all the stuff in Tampa for a couple o days (daze) anyway.Newest travel tip for you is that we are likley looking at 70's for the week next week ( if you believe environment Canada,hight 50's-60's at night )So the snowshoes can stay home. I'm affraid that the ice hotel meted though [swg]

Mike Ah more good stuff from the urlmeister.Nice shots of Sweden to be sure.We always had reruns of the Lone Ranger when I was groing up That and sat morning and afternoon Cowboy Movies that dad and I watched on CBC, all good memories. We have indeed exported allot of tallented folks S of the Boarder, flows both ways I suppose.

CM3 I'm glad that you mentioned the "ugly duckling " trade in rebuilds that all the big manufacturers performed. I'll have to dig into the archieves and see what I can see.I remember seeing several shots of C&NW Baldwins with grafted on GP9 hoods and prime movers. I'll see what i can dig out.

Lars I liked your photo follow ups in support of Tom yesterday, also some broken Swedish spoken by you. You need to be carefull around the girlz. H&H are part Swedish on their mother's side ( not sure which side however )[:O]

Doug I see that you have a photo of my neighbourhoods main building contractors LOL sorry couldn't resist a little Canadian / American stereotype joke.

Have a good afternoon folks

Rob

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #86

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) in a 1951 advertisement from my private collection:




Your Vacation is All Vacation

when you Go By Train!


From the moment you step aboard your cool air-conditioned train . . . you’re on vacation! You leave all cares behind.

Whatever your travel requirements - - - individual or family - - - you have a wide choice of accommodations . . . six types of rooms in newest all-private-room sleeping cars . . . restful berths in section-type cars . . . deep-cushioned reclining seats in latest overnight coaches. All the advantages and conveniences of train travel are yours.

Through your window, watch a continually changing panorama unfold.

Pick your own route - - - go one way . . . return another. Stop off at interesting points.

Liberal baggage checking allowances . . . center-of-city terminals . . . frequent, dependable-schedules . . . and low round-trip fares all combine to make your trips and your vacation more satisfying.

For extra pleasure . . . take it easy this vacation . . . TAKE THE TRAIN! Enjoy smooth electric power all the way!


LATEST OVERNIGHT RECLINING SEAT COACHES – so roomy . . . with only 44 seats to a car! Extra spacious washrooms.

A CHOICE OF DELICIOUS MEALS expertly prepared and served in attractively furnished dining cars adds to your vacation travel pleasure.

NEW DRAWING ROOMS – with a sofa and two chairs that are replaced by three sleep-inviting beds. Enclosed toilet facilities.


PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD

Go by Train . . . Safety – with Speed and Comfort


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day Gents!


The week has wound down and here we are again at a Friday! Things are relatively quiet here in mid-Continent USA – temps supposed to be a comfortable 70 (F), a bit of cloud cover with only a slight chance of isolated sprinkles. Sounds fine to me! [tup] Petrol has dropped to $2.67 (rounded) up at “Collusion Corner,” wonder of wonders! This morning’s “Bird Cage Liner” (aka: St. Louis Post-Disgrace) has an article discussing an a rather immediate need for our electric power company to receive rate increases. Talking about perhaps a 3rd more added to our bills this summer. [tdn] What gets me is we have an operating “nuke” plant providing this area with energy – so the increases apparently are to defray the company costs for power elsewhere. Wunnerful – and deregulation was supposed to be a “good deal”[?] [yeah] Depending on which side of the “deal” one is on!


Suggest you guys take a look at a URL provided by a first-time visitor, EricX2000 on Page 322 – the Pix are fantastic! I’ve contacted this man and hope he stops by again – and again. Also, wanswheel Mike (aka: URLMEister Monster) has provided me with an English-version of Eric’s bio, etc. Very interesting fellow . . . Mike is too! [swg]


Good to see barndad Doug emerge from beneath all of the work he has been inundated with. [tup] Sadly, and a bit selfishly, all of this just adds to the “woes” of the bar attendance – as we get further into this not-so-merry-month-of-May. [tdn] Absences, absences and MORE absences. Ah, a cartoon AND a joke! [tup] Nice way to begin the day . . .

Just received a “heads up” from yet another guy who says he’s going to be a bit scarce next week. Good Gawd Gertie, it doesn’t stop! <groan> All I can say is if we fall – we fall; just hope the rebound comes sooner than later. No matter how optimistic, one simply must face the reality of this Thread – pull out an integral piece or three and it collapses like a house of cards.<grim>


A Ted-missive along with a Coalminer-epistle got the day jump started quite well! [tup] Good to see the two of you and appreciate, as ever, your taking the time to swing by for your morning “recharge!” [swg]


CM3 I haven’t read any other “prophetic” railroad books other than the one by Joe Vranich. His Super Trains still “haunts” me with the visionary and on-point recommendations within it. Simply an outstanding piece of work. Of course, I read that years ago – nowadays, my reading has been severely restricted to that which appears on these Pages (and “my other Thread!). Such is life . . . or should I say, “Get a life!” [swg]

Thanx for the round & quarters for Herr Wurlitzer! [tup]


Cardinals have the bird flu! [tdn]


I expect to be here for the remainder of the day . . . so, let’s make “Tilla” ‘n “Cashinator” sing their songs – Ka Ching, Ka-Ching, Ka-Ching-ching-a-ling …. <good grief!>


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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The information you MISS may be for YOU!

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present: Coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

We had some nice showers last night. No violent weather, so I could “fly the porch” with the K9 Korps in the evening. Gas is $2.89/gal. this a.m.

BK – At least your team GOT to the playoffs! Also, the rerun of the X2000 material was a nice “reminder.”

Tom – I read Vranich’s book a long time ago; maybe we’ll see some of what he mentions come to pass. Somewhere awhile back I was reading something that mentioned Kneiling’s old tome on Integrated Train Systems and also mentioned John Barriger. I recall talking with him at an R&LHS meeting yrs ago about his ideas on what he used to call “Super Railroads.” He said it would happen and it is.

Lars – Thanks for the kind words on the Red Sox. I am a Cardinals fan as well (have been since I can remember). As I told our ‘steamed proprietor awhile back, my concern with the Card this year is their pitching. I score 10 and give up 11, I still lose; as I say to my son, “Do the math.”

Wanshweeel – More URLs, thank you. Also as a heads up new issue of Classic Trains has a feature story with a lot of B&M material, and a shorter contribution on the CV.

Al - Glad for the favorable medical report. I know what you mean abt. tough medical personnel. When they were putting my leg back together I had to do PT three times a week; a couple of the practitioners were, I think, former Confederate horse artillerymen.

Also many thanks for the PRR material. PRR was a big presence in Boston, of course, in terms of passenger equipment which included all kinds of baggage/express/mail cars. Sometimes I wondered whether I was at South Station or Broad St.

Nick – Isn’t it amazing how locomotives disappear into a shop and reappear as something else.

Rob has mentioned several r/b programs in his posts. What always interested me were the hybrid locomotives such as reengined Baldwins and Alcos, etc. Then you have trade-ins. This was real popular thing with EMD during the transition from 1st to 2nd generation power. They took trades on their old products, but also took trades on other builder’s locomotives. One of the more exotic results of this was the GM&Os GP30s which looked like regular GP30s, but had Alco trucks. GE also had a trade-in program as well.

Barndad – Know what you mean abt. moving – I always looked at it as an opportunity to get rid of stuff to make room for new stuff.

Theodorebear – Just think O-R-O (Old, rare, and obscure) – LOL. Now, where did I put that Roscoe, Snyder and Pacific timetable? Ah, here it is under the most recent Annual Report from the Rockdale, Sandow and Southern.

Pete – The locomotives you saw probably belonged to the Alton and Southern. Here’s some information about the A&S. The colors along with the herald, which resembles the old MP herald sounds about right for what you saw.

The A&S is based in East St. Louis, ILL.

They are a switching road which again back in the day had connections with a lot of what are now fallen flags. These connections included the

B&O, C&EI, C&NW, CB&Q, GM&O, IC, IT, L&N, Manufacturers Railway, MKT, MP, N&W, PRR, NYC, SLSF, SSW, SOU, and TRRA.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming – underground belt inspection.

Work safe

[Anonymous]

A very good a.m. this Friday May 5th. Tom, let me snag a couple of Bavarians and a cuppa Folgers, please. If I may retrogress to your excellent "break down" on the various nomenclature of toy and model train gauges, I would only add there are many variations on the popular "G" gauge. There is a wide variety of ratios in "G" and it makes for some confusion. For example, I'm using Aristo Craft Model equipment at 1:29. USA Trains in "G" are smaller at 1:35 (iirc) while LGB runs at least 2 different scales in "G." Bachmann also models in different scales though they all are are labeled "G" gauge.[:O] I don't want to delve into this as I'm the sole member invovled with the stuff.

Thanks to everyone for the [tup] on "passing muster" last Tuesday, phew!. And, may I echo those good thoughts to Passengerfan Al on his "A-Okay" check-up. However, a "younger nurse" for either of us might fall into the realm of: "California Dreaming."[(-D] Book ends, hey you gents are really clearing the ROW at "Our" Place lately.[:D] Surely got a "boot" from BK's European pix of locos and trains, and concur withPete's observation of the Pensy's GG-1 "look alike."

Ah yes, the X-2000 and many variants (thanks Tom, BK, Lars, Pete) showed so much potential (even after a disasterous episode on B.R.) that Sweden among other European countries ushered in a sucessful "come back." I think Pete Waterman still has the sole survivor in the U.K. hidden in his private collection. To date, I haven't had opportunity for riding any "high speed" trains, not even Acela on the N.E. corridor. Someday I will.[^] Mike, to be honest with you and Tom, I have not yet partaken of your URL's or the links to past Euro rail scene but rest assured I shall a.s.s.p. Cm3, where do you find those "out-of-the-way," tiny Roads? I mean T.R.R.A.? Pete, there was some excellent coverage of the miniature (3 ft. gauge?) Rhyl on the Travel Channel not long ago. That had to be a fantasy come true for a wee Lad. Well, it's another long day for me and I am still not up-to-date. I'll get there anon and in the meantime, happy rails to all of you.[^]

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and all. I'll have a sticky bun from the Metor bakery please. Can't tell you how busy I've been over here as the move progresses. We still shuttle boxes of junk to the farmhouse every time we head towards Woodstock, and the big move day is just a few weeks away. I'm hoping for decent enough weekend weather for some outside painting as well as completing downstairs painting. As busy as I keep at work, I still fiind myself looking forward to Mondays, so I don't have to work so hard!

Ya'll have a terrific day. I am gettting so behind on the doing here!

[:I] An old pastor was dying. He sent a message for an IRS agent and his lawyer to come to the hospital.
When they arrived, they were ushered up to his room. As they entered the room, the pastor held out his hands and motioned for them to sit on each side of the bed.
The pastor grasped their hands, sighed contentedly, smiled, and stared at the ceiling. For a time, no one said anything. Both the IRS agent and lawyer were touched and flattered that the old pastor would ask them to be with him during his final moments. They were also puzzled because the pastor had never given any indication that he particularly liked either one of them.
Finally, the lawyer asked, "Pastor, why did you ask the two of us to come here?" The old pastor mustered up some strength, then said weakly, "Jesus died between two thieves, and that's how I want to go, too. [:I]

[siberianmo]

THANX, Eric!

Enjoy your experience on the Forums and glad you began with us! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

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Enjoy the Peanuts


A tour bus driver is driving with a bus load of seniors down a highway when he is tapped on his shoulder by a little old lady. She offers him a handful of peanuts, which he gratefully munches up.

After about 15 minutes, she taps him on his shoulder again and she
hands him another handful of peanuts.

She repeats this gesture about five more times. When she is about to hand him another batch again he asks the little old lady,

"Why don't you eat the peanuts yourself?".

"We can't chew them because we've no teeth", she replied.

The puzzled driver asks,

"Why do you buy them then?"

The old lady replied,

"We just love the chocolate around them."


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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 May 2006, 05:22:29 (322) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 May 2006, 05:24:21 (322) Rwys of Europe – Ad

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 04 May 2006, 07:30:31 (322) [tup] Bearman’s Inclusive Post!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 May 2006, 09:59:58 (322) Railways of Europe #6 – X2000 of Sweden

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 04 May 2006, 10:10:36 (322) WVA Report & StL Terminal Rwy!

(6) BudKarr BK Posted: 04 May 2006, 10:54:02 (322) BK Report & Encore: X2000

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 May 2006, 11:47:47 (322) Acknowledgments & Comments

(8) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 04 May 2006, 14:16:20 (322) Lars Report & 2 Pix!

(9) wanswheel Mike Posted: 04 May 2006, 15:17:49 (322) Return of the URLMEister monster!

(10) pwolfe Pete Posted: 04 May 2006, 16:21:25 (322) Inclusive Post, Wolfman style!

(11) passengerfan Al Posted: 04 May 2006, 18:56:11 (322) Left Coast RR report!, etc.

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 May 2006, 19:36:49 (322) Acknowledgments & Comments

(13) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 04 May 2006, 20:19:17 (322) A Nicup![swg]

(14) passengerfan Al Posted: 04 May 2006, 20:52:39 (322) Pennsy Streamlined cars!

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 May 2006, 21:21:21 (322) Acknowledgments & Pix




That’s it! [tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[EricX2000]

Found this thread that partly is about the X2000. If you want to see pictures of the X2000 in US 1992-93, you can try my site:
[http://homepage.mac.com/ericx2000/PhotoAlbum1.html]

Sorry to say, but the text is all in Swedish. The reason is that I did not expect any interest here in the US so I made it all in Swedish.
Maybe I should make it in English as well. Anyway, there is not much text in the first place but a lot of pictures. [:)]

[siberianmo]

Good Evening Gents!

I'll have a Keiths Ale Leon and a round for the guys at the bar! [tup] Boris ring 'er up! [tup]

Couldn't pass up the opportunity of greeting Nick 'n Al - good to see the both of you! [tup]

Details, details - will bite ya in the caboose (van) each 'n every time, eh Nick[?] [swg]

Nice one, Al Pennsy and just for Moi! [tup][tup] Many thanx!

I guess many of you are confused - here I've been pretty much focused on the CP 'n VIA Rail thereby making some of you think they are my favorites. Well they are - but the numero uno road of 'em all for me is the PRR - just love those memories and still can "see" those beautfiul trains! [yeah] GG-1s "rule!!" [swg]

Pennsy GG-1 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Thanks for the rounds and have a g'nite! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Evening Tom and the rest of the gang Time for a CR and a round for the house.

I guess I meant a nurse that wasn't approaching 300 lbs, Would settle for something more pleasant on the eyes. Doctor said she was in the war. My guess is he meant as a Main battle tank in Desert Storm.

Found this on the Pennsy just for you.

PENNSYLVANIA

For the size or the PRR they owned surprisingly few lightweight streamlined head end cars. The PRR Altoona Shops modernized many heavyweight head end cars for service in the streamliners of the PRR but no actual streamlined head cars were ever built for the PRR’s most famous train the BROADWAY LIMITED. The PRR instead modernized heavyweights for the BROADWAY LIMITED and many other named trains.
The Altoona Shops of the PRR fully streamlined a number of heavyweight head end cars before and during WW II for their trains.
The first of the streamlined heavy-weight head end cars were a pair of Baggage Buffet 27 seat Lounge cars for the all coach TRAIL BLAZER between Chicago and New York overnight. The two cars 4931 and 4950 retained their original numbers after rebuilding to streamlined cars. The PRR Altoona Shops completed the work on the two cars in mid July 1939 in time for the trains July 28, 1939 inaugural.

BAGGAGE BUFFET 27 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Streamlined by PRR Shops July 1939 (Rebuilt and streamlined for TRAIL BLAZER)

4931, 4950

Three additional rebuilt streamlined heavyweight head end cars were delivered by Altoona Shops in July 1939 for the much delayed new JEFFERSONIAN a new all coach train between St. Louis and New York finally inaugurated April 27, 1941. These three cars were Baggage 16 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 seat Lounge Cars 6701 – 6703. These three cars were assigned to the ADMIRAL until the new JEFFERSONIAN entered service. Postwar these three cars were assigned to the PENN TEXAS between New York and St. Louis.

BAGGAGE 16 CREW DORMITORY BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Streamlined by PRR Shops July 1939 (Rebuilt and streamlined for JEFFERSONIAN)

6701 – 6703

The PRR inaugurated an all-new Budd built seven car Coach streamlined between Chicago and Miami on an every third day schedule on December 19, 1940. The new train named the SOUTH WIND operated over PRR rails between Chicago and Louisville and was forwarded on to Miami by other roads the NC&STL. L&N, ACL, and FEC. The new Budd built streamliner was hardly recognizable as a Budd built product as it was delivered with a coat of PRR Tuscan red covering the gleaming stainless steel finish. The first car in the new train was a Baggage 16 Crew Dormitory 18 revenue seat Coach Combination numbered 6700. The cars for the new train were all delivered by Budd in late November 1940.

BAGGAGE 16 CREW DORMITORY 18 REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATION Budd Company November 1940 (Built for and assigned to SOUTH WIND)

6700

In March 1942 the PRR Altoona Shops turned out three Baggage 16 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 seat Lounge cars numbered 6704 – 6706 identical to the earlier three for the JEFFERSONIAN. These three were assigned to the St. Louis – New York all Pullman SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS.
That same month the Altoona shops released seven-streamlined Baggage 36 revenue seat Coach Combinations 5100 – 5106 rebuilt from heavyweights. The cars were assigned to General Service but were most often found in trains operating in the New York – Washington corridor.

BAGGAGE 16 CREW DORMITORY BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops March 1942 (Rebuilt and streamlined for SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS)

6704 – 6706

BAGGAGE 36 REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops March 1942 (Rebuilt and streamlined for General Service)

5100 – 5106

In 1943 the PRR Altoona Shops streamlined eight additional head end cars. Six of these cars were Baggage 36 revenue seat Coach Combinations 5107 – 5112 out shopped between January and April, 1943 and assigned to General Service mostly in trains operating in the New York – Washington corridor.
The other two head end cars out shopped by Altoona in June 1943 were a pair of Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory cars 6707, 6708 for assignment to the New York Chicago GENERAL.

BAGGAGE 36 REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops January – April 1943 (Rebuilt for and assigned to General Service)

5107 – 5112

BAGGAGE 22 CREW DORMITORY CARS Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops June 1943 (Rebuilt for and assigned to GENERAL)

6707, 6708

Following WW II the PRR not only placed large orders for new postwar cars from Budd, Pullman Standard and American Car & Foundry but from there own Altoona Shops they ordered their first new cars that were not rebuilds from heavyweights. In September – October 1947 the Altoona Shops delivered five new-streamlined Baggage Buffet 27 seat Lounge cars 6695 - 6699 for assignment to the TRAIL BLAZER and JEFFERSONIAN.

BAGGAGE BUFFET 27 SEAT LOUNGE CARS PRR Altoona Shops September – October 1947 (Built for and assigned to TRAIL BLAZER – JEFFERSONIAN)

6695 – 6699

American Car & Foundry delivered four Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory cars in April 1948 numbered 6691 – 6694. These four cars were assigned two each to consists of the ADMIRAL and two each to consists of the LIBERTY LIMITED. These were the last new head end cars ever built for the PRR.

BAGGAGE 22 CREW DORMITORY CARS American Car & Foundry April 1948 (Built for and assigned to ADMIRAL and LIBERTY LIMITED)

6691 – 6694

In 1964-1965 the PRR Altoona shops remodeled five of these postwar streamlined head end cars into Baggage 60’ Railway Post Office cars for assignment to the Northeast Corridor. All cars were assigned new 6500 series numbers after rebuilding to Baggage 60’ Railway Post Office Cars as follows:

JUNE 1964

6595 originally PRR 6692

SEPTEMBER 1964

6596 originally PRR 6691

OCTOBER 1964

6597 originally PRR 6693

DECEMBER 1964

6598 originally PRR 6694

FEBRUARY 1964

6599 originally PRR 6696

TTFN Al

[nickinwestwales]

Gentlemen all,good evening,it would seem that I have fed you false information-[4-:)][oX)] TOM ,a round for the house whilst I make my apologies and explain further
T he V.o.R opened in 1903 with 3 engines-#1&2 were 2-6-2 tank engines built by Davies & Metcalfe-apparently the only engines they ever built whilst #3 was a small Bagnall 2-4-0t purchased from the contractors-when the G.W.R inherited the line in 1923 it was assessed as needing 3 new engines-the money people would only agree to two-they finally settled on `two complete engines,plus spares`-the new engines were assembled in 1923 and entered service as #7 `Owain Glyndwr` & #8` Llewyllin`,the following year #2 `Prince of wales` was despatched to Swindon for re-building along with #3 `Rheidol` fo scrapping-according to the urban myth #2 was rebuilt as #9 and re-entered service.
In fact,the only part of #2 to survive is the nameplate.
The `spares` mentioned above were all the parts needed to build a complete engine-#2 disappeared into the works never to draw steam again and miraculassly #9 emerged.
The other original engine,Edward v11,was little used after 1923,was withdrawn in 1931and cut up about 1935
have a good one chaps,see you all soon
moonlight mile time again ,[C=:-)]