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Posted by wanswheel on Thursday, June 8, 2006 5:59 AM
Good morning and hi Eric

Al, found a few more, including pre-streamlined Broadway loco 3768 near Altoona, Pa., August 19, 1933.
http://photoswest.org/photos/00014251/00014353.jpg

The Pacemaker engine 5450, type 4-6-4, Chicago, August 10, 1939
http://photoswest.org/photos/00013501/00013610.jpg

Another view of same 5450 at Harmon, N.Y., April 16, 1938
http://photoswest.org/photos/00013376/00013421.jpg

The Central's "Rexall Train" engine 2873, type 4-8-2, Denver, June 14, 1936. http://photoswest.org/photos/00013251/00013361.jpg

2 reruns or Encores as we call them here:

ATSF Chief locomotive 3460
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr4023_santa_fe_chief_1938.jpg

Reading Crusader
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr4021_reading_railroad_crusader_philadelphia_pa_1938.jpg

And you can be sure if it's Westinghouse its not a GG1
PRR engine 4750 type BLW-WESTHSE 2-C-2 (P5AM) Washington, D.C., August 5, 1936
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00014329+OP-14329
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Posted by EricX2000 on Thursday, June 8, 2006 12:24 AM
Hello all of you! A strong coffee, please! Just stopping by before I have to go to bed. I am still alive but have been busy (at work) including some travelling. No excuse, just telling you why I haven't been back for two and a half weeks. I certainly have a lot of catching up to do and will try to do so before the weekend. At the same time I will learn a lot about Classic Trains! I am impressed how much knowledge there is here. Good evening, I'll se you this weekend!

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Posted by wanswheel on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 10:25 PM
Good evening Lars welcome home to Our Place, 2nd Schaefer's on me if you're having more than one.

Al, of course I can't keep pace, you're all over the map.

Broadway Limited
http://images4.indianahistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/dc012&CISOPTR=10552&REC=1

Seaboard Silver Meteor postcard
http://members.aol.com/dblake7096/vsal.jpg postcard

Silver Meteor ad on boxcar
http://www.nashvillewebreview.com/automat/nashville/popular_buildings/UnionStation/railyard.html

American Locomotive Company vehicles

U-la 4-8-2
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-62255046&id=55

T-3a 2-10-4
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=990997848&id=56

S4
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=1001486627&id=55

RS3 (I think)
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=37475508&id=55

GP9? and RS3 to the right?
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-1700731494&id=56

Rob, alco from the green pages, a few tunnels

Mount Royal Tunnel 1913
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=115671866&id=50

Mount Royal Tunnel 1943
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/structures/index_view.cfm?photoid=1044023401&id=37

St. Clair Tunnel
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/structures/index_view.cfm?photoid=46586805&id=36

Fraser River tunnel
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/scenic/index_view.cfm?photoid=33600466&id=44

Morrisey Rock Tunnel
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=55443&id=57

Tunnelvision
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=44564491&id=62
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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 8:31 PM
Evening Gents!

Leon I'll take a frosty cold mug of Schaefer if you please while I wait for the left coast game to come up on the big screen TV. Let's go Mets!

I've been slowly getting through the pages - starting from this one and working back works for me! [swg] However at the pace I'm going, it will be some time B4 I catch up. My last post was on page 334 - so I've got a few to check out . . .

So, let's see - I was here for Cap'n Tom's B'day Bash but missed out on Dave's - so a belated [bday] to you, Sir! Also, a belated June 3rd [bday] to our newest Chief Engineer John! [tup] Congrats on both counts (again)!!

During my run through, I haven't seen hide nor hair of Doug for some time . . . he's either tied up in the move, or tied up in a jail somewhere for "taking care of business" with that obnoxious creature living below in the place they are moving from! <grin>

So, we've got a Chief Chef [C=:-)] missing, huh [?] My guess is Nick will show and pick up just where he left off - once he gets breathing time. With Pete over in GB, perhaps he'll be able to spring our Chef loose . . . . this place surely thrives when they are about the premises. [tup]

Sorry guys, but that's about the extent of my comments - other than to say that jet lag hasn't really entered the picture so much as the other things going on. It's been a hectic four weeks at the homefront and I'm hoping to have a bit more time here at the bar once things settle down.

Leon here's a couple of ten spots for a round or two on me! [tup]

Until the next time!

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Posted by West Coast S on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 3:29 PM
Afternoon all,

CM3, I wasn't aware that the Century's wondered so far from home, you learn something new everyday!! Actually, I last observed them in transfer service at West Colton around 1981, ocassionaly even at this late date, a set would get loose and wonder over Cajon via the Palmdale Cutoff to Mojave for I presume helper duty as they were known to stray as far north as Bakersfield on occasion.

Strange, now that you mention it, this was during the period "of the great unwashed" yet these were scrubbed to within a inch of their life a minor mircle giving Alco's tendency to spray oil and soot about the carbody. I wish I had a photo of the combo I encountered once at West Colton, A century mu'ed with a Southern High Hood GE and a Seaboard SD something and in the trailing position a UP DD35A, extremely exotic to say the least.

Now the Western Pacific's attitude toward the Alco Century is best illustrated by their reaction when the Burlington Northern assigned former SP&S Alco's to service on the Inside Gateway, obligating WP to accept them all the way to Stockon. While on the WP, due to the offset truck king pin design the result was widening of the guage in the canyon. It reached such a head that WP notified BN with the intent to suspend the run through agreement unless EMD locomotives were supplied for these trains, no doubt the negative experience during the Century trials influenced there revulsion to all Alco power.

Rob, The ultimate goal is to restore the Basement Terminal to in service condition as a cultural and transportation museum, it no doubt benifited from historic preservation status, matter of fact some form of light rail might by intergrated on the first floor level, this would restore the orginal trackage arraignment PE orginally had when cars entered and exited through the center of the station lobby.

Now, they dropped the ball when Reynolds Aluminum shut down their rolling mill in Torrance, it was the only surviving complete PE erecting shop, once part of a eleven acre shop complex, it had been resheathed with aluminum siding, hiding the orginal brick construction, bricks fired by the PE itself and are now extremely rare and highly sought. At some point, new doors and windows were installed but overall the structure was remarkably intact and orginal, behind this facade it was discovered the early PE herald with the spread wings had been cast into several headers over the large door and window openings. Reynolds offered it for preservation with no takers, eventually the site was put on the market and purchased by Walmart and we know all to well its ultimate demise.

So how goes the jetlag and flight induced fustration Lovedomes? At least they didn't divert your flight to Kirachi and your luggage to Tokyo!![:(!][:(!] Welcome back...

Ted, ye gasp, ye Mentor Village has been taken over by criminal elements, shocking[:0], i'll remember to lock my doors tonight and stay clear of Mentor Lake for the time being, of course it could be just induced fear among the Village populace, I have good word that Boris's relatives are in town[}:)]. Good graces, what is in the tap tonight[V][?] taste like last nights dishwater mixed with Valvoline...

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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 3:05 PM
Good Afternoon Gang and nice to have you back Lars. Now we will have a little more help keeping things going til the boss returns. Sorry to hear about your less than enjoyable trip, Am also surprised at the Mets. Kind of remind me of the old days when Dem Bums played in Brooklyn.
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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 3:00 PM
Good Afternoon Gang and nice to have you back Lars. Now we will have a little more help keeping things going til the boss returns. Sorry to hear about your less than enjoyable trip, Am also surprised at the Mets. Kind of remind me of the old days when Dem Bums played in Brooklyn.
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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 12:35 PM
Good Afternoon Cindy and fellow travelers at the bar!

It is I - the Larsman has returned, but regrettably only for a short visit. Set 'em up on me if you please and I see Boris is about the premises - ring the bell my good man (?) and I'll take a frosty mug of that Keiths Ale that our Cap'n Tom likes so well! [tup]

Haven't taken the time to review all of the pages, but I see that Tom's last comments are back on page 344, right before he and his lady departed for Alaska. Hope they had and are having a great time! [tup] Also haven't looked at the e-mail yet . . . still digging through the stacks of snail mail that piled up during our absence. About the only thing that still looks the 'same' is the fact that my Mets are still in first place! Who wuddathunkit [?] [?] [swg]

Looks like the handful of guys who have been active around here are really keeping things up 'n running - great effort, guys! A five-[tup] Salute to you! [tup] [tup] [tup] [tup] [tup] I'm sure that Our Proprietor will be most pleased to see that his creation is alive 'n well! [yeah]

Got back last night - by plane and we're a bit weary today. It was a long, long day with a change of planes in Chicago. Why? Well, we had originally booked round trip aboard the California Zephyr from Chicago and round trip air from NYC to Chicago. We had to change our travel plans once on the left coast and opted for air travel home. Unfortunately, the airlines would not work with us and insisted on screwing us over on the fares, even made us change planes in Chicago just to keep the original round trip in tact. Awful experience.

Amtrak graciously refunded our rail fare - no problems. Actually, this was the second change to that itinerary and we had no difficulties with them at all.

Amtrak to the left coast was a mixed bag of tricks - riding the train is a treat, but putting up with the sub-par service is not. We had a pleasant journey but things like not having a full bill or fare in the diner, faulty equipment in the bedroom car (not mine! [}:)][:-,] ) and sightseer lounge, attitudes, etc. surely put a damper on what I had hoped would be more than it turned out to be. We decided before arriving at our final destination to cancel the return trip. Just didn't want to put up with same-ole, same-ole again.

Without getting too deep into our personal lives, we have a continuing sadness looming over the horizon in our family. It has been a death imminent situation and that also played into the decision to cut things shorter than planned. So even if Amtrak had been top shelf, we would have returned by plane. Blasted airlines and the manner in which they treat passengers is simply awful. Doesn't matter how much one pays - doesn't matter whether you are 1st class or coach, it's all the same to them. Oh well, it's over and I'm in favor of sticking close to home for quite awhile. [yeah]

I've got quite a bit of catching up to do and am anxious to review all of the pix and narratives regarding the Rendezvous in Toronto! Hope the three of you had a great time - which my guess is you did! - and that all went well with each 'n every aspect of it all! [tup]

One more Keiths you good looking thing you - and I'll take my leave . . .

Until the next time!

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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 9:18 AM
Good mornign Cindy. You look as broght and perky chipper as ever. [;)][:D] I'll just take a number three and the supersized mentor coffee today. <ugh> Why does this coffee taste like a squeegy mop Boris !Any how nice morning start today [tup]Looks as though we may turn a profit on the breakfast menu today [tup]

Ted Good to see you this am sir, I had thought that you had fallen in the "drink" with our late lamented chief chef. I hope that MI-6 is takeing the lead as unhappily I think Doyle and Clueless are out of their element on this one. maybe Nick has some to Utah for that concert tour he was talking about back in the fall.

You need to by one of those flying cars that we were told about on TV in the 50's and 60's to get out of all that traffic in Tampa ( we have them don't we [swg][:D] ) That our you need to get one of those "suburban comando" SUV's and take back the raod from all those dump trucks. They are starting to give good prices on them now ( wonder why [?] ) Another job for the inspector eh [?]

CM3 Ahhh Alco's... anyway you slice them pure diesel nirvanna I say. The L&N had quite the fleet, truly one of the biggest supporters of the breed. from FA's to the C420's and big 6's.I think we need more smoky alcio photo's and disscussion around here don't you. Mike [?] No pressure or anything oh urlmeister [swg]

Mike Thanks for the late nite return [tup] I woulodn't want to even imagine what the out come of a PCC vs RR encounter would be like in Philly. I'm sure that the language from such a resulting meet, would add new pages to the english language [:O]

Al Ah yes, I think you and Mike need to sit down and fini***hat book togehter,he's provided the great shots to match your equally great info. It's been agreat partnership fer sure fer sure.

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Posted by coalminer3 on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 8:18 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Some good encores, train information, Alco comments, etc. this a.m. Thanks to all.

SP Alcos did get off-line every now and then.

When I lived in L&N-land, I used to see SP Centuries running off mileage on L&N trains every now and then. SP used to “grab” L&N power at New Orleans and, as L&N folks told me, “It would disappear into the desert,” only to come back beat to !@#$. Thus, the SP units came to appear on L&N trains. Needless to say, the SP engines were pretty beat up themselves, but the L&N managed to get them over the road.

Power in an around Nashville back in the late 60s and early 70s was a real mix of first and second generation units from EMD, GE and Alco. Mine service was the best place to see Alco road power most of the time on the L&N. I managed to get shots of many different L&N Alcos in and around Cincinnati at the time.

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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 7:27 AM
Good Morning Gang. Time for a coffee and one of those crumpets from the Mentor Village Bakery.

Mike you are doing a great job with the photos of the streamliners I have been posting. Here are a few more.

CRI&P
TEXAS ROCKET
(November 11, 1938)
By Al

This TEXAS ROCKET was the 9902 ZEPHYR purchased from the CB&Q and placed in service round trip daily between Dallas – Fort Worth and Houston replacing the earlier TEXAS ROCKET on this route as it was needed for another route discussed next. Now the former original TWIN ZEPHYRS were once again running on the same route opposite one another. The 9901 and 9902 together providing twice-daily round trip service between the two largest cities in Texas beginning November 11, 1938. For equipment see the earlier TWIN ZEPHYR listings. When the 9901 was wrecked and burned while being operated by the Rock Island they compensated the Burlington by returning the 9902 ZEPHYR to CB&Q ownership.

CRI&P
KANSAS CITY – TEXAS ROCKET
(November 15, 1938)
By Al

The original TEXAS ROCKET Rock Island TA powered train set and the TA powered train set from the KANSAS CITY – OKLAHOMA CITY ROCKET were used to start this new service on November 15, 1938. This permitted one set to operate northbound each day and the other to operate the southbound schedule. Since the train no longer served Oklahoma City directly the Rock Island painted one of their doodlebugs in full Rocket dress to run as a connecting train between the north – south mainline at El Reno and Oklahoma City. These trains became quite popular and would last even after the Rock Island combined the KANSAS CITY – MINNEAPOLIS ROCKET and the TEXAS ROCKET routes in 1945 as the TWIN STAR ROCKET. The cars in the original TEXAS ROCKET train set were renamed in 1938-39 to more closely reflect the area served.

602 EMC TA 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

402 CHEROKEE STRIP formerly DREAM LAKE Articulated Baggage Kitchen 32 Revenue seat Dinette Coach
302 SUNFLOWER STATE formerly MESA VERDE Articulated 76 Revenue seat Coach

452 LONE STAR formerly CENTENNIAL 28 Revenue seat Coach 24 seat Parlor Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

606 EMC TA 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

403 CIMARRON RIVER Articulated Baggage Kitchen 32 seat Dinette Coach
303 CHISHOLM TRAIL Articulated 76 Revenue seat Coach

453 SOONER STATE 28 Revenue seat Coach 24 seat Parlor Lounge Observation

B&O
CAPITOL LIMITED
(November 23, 1938)
By Al

The Baltimore & Ohio Railroads finest was the flagship CAPITOL LIMITED an all Pullman train between Jersey City – Baltimore – Washington and Chicago. The PRR introduction of the Fleet of Modernism forced the B&O to streamline the heavyweight CAPITOL LIMITED if they wished to remain competitive. The B&O not being in a strong financial position streamlined the existing train and added diesel power. Pullman was responsible for streamlining all of the cars but the Dining Car and those cars were streamlined in the B&O Railroads own Mt. Clare Shops. The heavyweight-streamlined cars were equipped with full width diaphragms, skirting, and were repainted in the beautiful Blue and Gray paint scheme. The rebuilt heavyweight streamlined CAPITOL LIMITED began service November 23, 1938 between Jersey City and Chicago by way of Washington. From the beginning the heavyweight streamlined CAPITOL LIMITED was assigned new EMC EA-EB passenger diesel units for power. The CAPITOL LIMITED being rebuilt and streamlined from existing heavyweight cars did not offer the number of private rooms offered by the PRR BROADWAY LIMITED or LIBERTY LIMITED but they sure managed to carry more government employees than either of the PRR trains. At that time the government seemed to be more aware of wasteful spending and would only reimburse government employees traveling at government expense for a lower berth. The CAPITOL LIMITED provided 84 sections in each consist.

52 EMC EA 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

52X EMC EB 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

CAPITOL GARDEN Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 18 seat Lounge Car

ALEXANDER BELL 14 Section Sleeping Car

CLOVER BAY 8 Section 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CLOVER CREST 8 Section 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

BRADSHAW 12 Section 1 Drawing Room Sleeping Car

1062 VIRGINIA DARE 36 seat Dining Car

LAUREL BRANCH 8 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment Sleeping Car

CASTLETON 12 Section 1 Drawing Room Sleeping Car

CLOVER HEIGHTS 8 Section 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CLOVER HOLLOW 8 Section 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CAPITOL CITY 3 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Buffet 24 seat Solarium Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

51 EMC EA 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

51X EMC EB 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

CAPITOL HILL Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 18 seat Lounge Car

JOHN ERICSSON 14 Section Sleeping Car

CLOVER LODGE 8 Section 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CLOVER PARK 8 Section 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

GREEN BANK 12 Sections 1 Drawing Room Sleeping Car

1061 MARGARET BRENT 36 seat Dining Car

GREEN SPRING 12 Section 1 Drawing Room Sleeping Car

GARDEN BROOK 8 Section 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

GARDEN GLEN 8 Section 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CAPITOL CITY 3 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Buffet 24 seat Solarium Lounge Observation

CMStP&P
AFTERNOON HIAWATHA
(January 21, 1939)
421 miles
By Al

Using nearly identical consists to the HIAWATHA train sets of September, 1938 the new train sets that began service January 21, 1939 between Chicago and the TWIN CITIES were named the AFTER-NOON HIAWATHAS and the earlier two train sets became the MORNING HIAWA-THAS. This at last gave the Milwaukee Road two daily round trip streamlined HIAWATHAS between Chicago – Milwaukee and St. Paul – Minneapolis. Both the CB&Q and Milwaukee Road were then offering twice daily streamlined trains between the Windy City and Twin Cities.

103 ALCO F7 4-6-4 Streamlined Baltic Locomotive and Tender

155 Express 44 seat TIP TOP TAP Tavern Lounge Car

434 52 Revenue seat Coach

445 56 Revenue seat Coach

447 56 Revenue seat Coach

449 56 Revenue seat Coach

111 48 seat Dining Car

SEWALL 24 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Stateroom

MILLER 28 Revenue seat Parlor Beavertail Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

105 ALCO F7 4-6-4 Streamlined Baltic Locomotive & Tender

156 Express Buffet 44 seat TIP TOP TAP Tavern Lounge Car

435 52 Revenue seat Coach

446 56 Revenue seat Coach

448 56 Revenue seat Coach

450 56 Revenue seat Coach

452 56 Revenue seat Coach

112 48 seat Dining Car

WHITTEMORE 24 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Stateroom

MITCHELL 28 Revenue seat Parlor Lounge Beavertail Observation

LV
ASA PACKER
(February 1, 1935)
By Al

The ASA PACKER was not truly a streamliner but instead a series of modernized cars by the Lehigh Valley Railroads own Sayre, Pennsylvania shops. A 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotive and Tender 2023 was shopped and emerged semi streamlined from the Sayre shops to pull the four car train. The new exterior paint scheme applied to the Steam power and cars was Orange and Black. The interiors of the cars were upgraded with new upholstery and repainted at the same time. This new train named the ASA PACKER originally operated a daily round trip between Newark, N. J. and Mauch Chunk, Pennsylvania. Later during the New York World’s Fair of 1939 the train was assigned to a twice-daily round trip service between Mauch Chunk and New York City. For the second round trip the Sayre shops of the Lehigh Valley remodeled and semi streamlined a second 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotive and tender the 2022.

2023 Semi Streamlined 4-6-2 Locomotive & Tender

1052 Heavyweight Baggage 36 Revenue seat Coach

906 Heavyweight 76 Revenue seat Coach

904 Heavyweight 76 Revenue seat Coach

1020 Heavyweight Club Dining Car

SAL
SILVER METEOR
February 2, 1939)
1,525 miles
By Al

The Seaboard Air Line Railway inaugurated a seven car lightweight streamlined Coach train set built by Budd. The new train entered service between New York City and Miami weekly with a New York City – St. Petersburg weekly round trip as well. The new train was named the SILVER METEOR and operated over the PRR between New York and Washington; the SAL diesel took over for the trip over the RF&P between Washington and Richmond where it gained SAL rails for the rest of the trip to either of the Florida destinations. The seven car lightweight streamlined train was built for Coach passengers only, and for the first time offered travelers in Coaches to and from Florida a deluxe streamlined train. The SAL offered the famous all Pullman heavyweight ORANGE BLOSSOM SPECIAL to their first class clientele during winter months between the Northeast and Florida. The new streamlined SILVER METEOR was an instant success with the train solidly booked for all 286 revenue seats. The new train operated a New York – Miami round trip each week followed by a New York – St. Petersburg round trip. The two trips consumed six days to complete leaving one full day for maintenance. This was the first of the popular seven car lightweight streamlined coach trains to enter service. Later other lightweight streamlined Coach trains would come from the Budd Company, Pullman Standard and American Car & Foundry.

6004 EMC E4A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

6000 Baggage 13 Crew Dormitory 22 Revenue seat Coach

6200 60 Revenue seat Coach

6300 30 Revenue seat Coach 30 seat Tavern Lounge Car

6100 48 seat Dining Car

6201 60 Revenue seat Coach

6202 60 Revenue seat Coach

6400 48 Revenue seat Coach 30 seat Lounge Observation

CB&Q
GENERAL PERSHING ZEPHYR
(April 30, 1939)
By Al

The CB&Q GENERAL PERSHING ZEPHYR was inaugurated April 30, 1939 between St. Louis and Kansas City round trip daily. The new train was the last CB&Q train to be powered by a Shovelnose Diesel unit and was also the first lightweight streamlined train owned by the Burlington with no articulated equipment in its consist. The cars and power were of full streamlined car dimensions another first for the CB&Q whose previous lightweight ZEPHYR trains had all been comprised of cars of less than standard streamlined car dimensions. This last Shovelnose Diesel unit was designated a model AA by EMC its builder and was considered a hybrid due to the fact that it was a shovelnose Cab Unit for its first half complete with a new EMC 567 engine developing 1,000 hp. A Baggage Compartment occupied the second half of the EMC AA Shovelnose power unit 9908 SILVER CHARGER where a second EMC 567 should have been located instead. The new service operated from Kansas City with that being the trains base of operations, three months after entering the Kansas City – St. Louis market the train was also called on to operate a daily Kansas City - Lincoln round trip as well. One can only wonder if this is the reason for the Missouri Pacific purchase of the EAGLES later becoming the MISSOURI RIVER EAGLES.

9908 SILVER CHARGER Shovelnose EMC Model AA 1,000 HP Diesel Cab with Baggage Compartment

4705 SILVER LEAF 70 Revenue seat Coach

4706 SILVER EAGLE 52 Revenue seat Coach

301 SILVER STAR 24 seat Dining 22 seat Parlor Lounge Observation

LV
JOHN WILKES
(June 4, 1939)
By Al

The JOHN WILKES was the next so called streamlined train offering from the Lehigh Valley Railroad. Unlike the earlier two Pacific Locomotives semi streamlined for the ASA PACKER the two Pacific Locomotive and Tenders for the JOHN WILKES were fully streamlined to a design by famed industrial designer Otto Kuhler. The two Pacific Locomotives were class K-5 2101 and 2102, after streamlining the two engines and tenders were painted in a Black, Cornell Red with white stripe paint scheme with chrome lettering. The Lehigh Valley initially painted nine heavyweight cars to match but later began a program of painting most cars in the new scheme as they came due for shopping. The JOHN WILKES introduced that June 4, 1939 operated between Pittston and New York round trip daily.

PRR
TRAIL BLAZER
(July 28, 1939)
By Al

The PRR Altoona Shops rebuilt and streamlined a large number of heavyweight coaches and other cars in the spring of 1939 for a new all coach streamliner to operate daily between Chicago and New York. The trains would not receive streamlined steam power until after WW II and then it would be in the form of the T1 4-4-4-4 Locomotives and tenders. These operated between Harrisburg and Chicago outside the electrified zone. The TRAIL BLAZER was initially scheduled for seventeen hours in each direction. Each of the two consists was initially equipped with 68 revenue seat Coaches, a Baggage Buffet 27 seat Lounge Car, a Twin Unit Dining set with one-half having Kitchen and Crew Dormitory space for eighteen. The other half of the twin unit dining car set was a 68 seat Dining Room with a four seat waiting area. Altoona Shops even rebuilt heavyweight cars into 53 seat Lounge Observations that except for window placement resembled those built by Pullman Standard for the 1938 BROADWAY LIMITED and LIBERTY LIMITED. The TRAIL BLAZER often ran eighteen to twenty cars in length with double headed K-4 Pacific Locomotives for power before the postwar T1s came along. The TRAIL BLAZER operated on an overnight schedule.

NYC
PACEMAKER
(July 28, 1939)
By Al

The PACEMAKER was the name assigned to the hastily assembled NYC heavyweight train that entered service the same date the PRR TRAIL BLAZER began service July 28, 1939. When the PRR announced there new overnight coach streamliner between New York and Chicago the NYC was caught completely off guard and was forced to compete with heavyweight trains. The initial schedule for the NYC PACEMAKER was 16 =1/2 hours westbound and 17 hours eastbound. The NYC would not streamline the PACEMAKERS until 1949 when Budd delivered new lightweight streamlined cars and new diesel passenger units arrived from EMD.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 7:15 AM
A fine good Wednesday morning to all. Cindy, glad to see ya, just a cuppa Joe and Prune Danish will do it this a.m. I peeked in yesterday after returning from a long, hot day over yonder. There was such a flurry of activity that I demured to make a later entrance. Just as well, as I didn't have my wits about me in any case. Seems a 10 Cu. Yard dump truck chose to occupy my modest space on the Franklin Bridge ( Tampa-St. Pete ) forcing me to take to the inside lane or forever become fish fodder in Tampa Bay.[:O]

Rob, Dave, Mike our mutual passion for Alco Century and earlier diesel power runs prallel to the S.P. (et al.) Road's orders in wholesale lots during the middle-to-late Forty's. My, what fine pix have been brought up for everyone to drool over.[^] Also, with Mike's help, the old P.E. building set in post war L.A. city scape allowed us to see the "era" in context. There are too many "Encore" entries to go into great detail for now but I must duly note the Philadelphia P.C.C. "Charter" nostalgia certainly got my attention. Cm3, as Rob pointed out, the Boston Subway, street cars, B. & M. and NY, N.H. and H. R.R. replays are of the rare quality that the "Silver Throttle Award" was created.[bow] It has been some time since the "Awards Committee" has convened. On Cap'n Tom's return, perhaps deliberations could resume for further recognition? Al, the sheer volume of your "classic" passenger trains Encores sometimes belies the attention to minute detail each and every one contain. I dare say: "No other thread can make this claim!"

Rob, we must apprise Tom that every means at our disposal to locate the whereabouts of Nick [C=:-)], ( last seen in the presence of H. H., Tex and Boris ) are "in the field." P. I. Doyle is working with the U.K. MI -6 and Insp. Clueless has initiated a "dragnet" operation here at home. To date, only a complete set of all-copper Chef's cooking implements and a badly emmaciated musician's union card have been uncovered. Insp. Clueless will enlist the aid of Juneau in a thorough search of Mentor Lake on Tom's return. Okay Boris, on that encouraging note, I'll take my leave, so just "do it!" Gadfrey Daniel, someone get the squeegy mop before the tread boards are ruined![:(!] See you's later.
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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 11:32 PM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Another Classic steam encore for you folks this evening as well. This also from originally page # 163. This subdivision still runs today serving the auto plants in Alliston and a few other small industries. The sub is not as long aas it once was. It also hosts on it's "abandoned" part, The South Simcoe Musuem's steam excursion train that runs in the summers between Tottingham and Beeton Ontario

Rob
CNR Steam The Alliston Subdivision Trains


Beeton to Collingwood Mixed Train

Alliston - Team track ( frieght shed plus stock pens )Peter Thompson & Sons,Gibson feed Mill , coal and lumber yard. team Track shipments included tobacco,potaotoes, and when in season Christmas trees.

Everett - team track ( served Alderson Coal, Gibson's elevator and grist mill )

Glencairn - team track ( local produce & animals )

Avening- team track ( same as above )

Creemore- team track ( frieght shed lcl , grain elevator, cattle pen ,Peter Thompson planning mill shipped from freight shed ) H. P. Shepard & Sons grain mill spur.

Glen Huron - team track ( Hamilton Brother's shipped / recieved feed , lumber , hardware and coal )

Duntroon - team track ( grain elevator , cattle ramp )

Nottawa - team track ( cattle pens ) Stock day once per week , later served by Meaford way feight.

Untill the time table change in april 1930 the second mixed train M393/392 leaving Beeton in the evening returning to Collingwood the following morning.After the early 1940's only mixed trains M391/394 were run on this sub. In the 30's and 40's the power was the ancient moguls 593,607,& 633. Once they were retired in the early 50's custmary power was by ten wheeler's 1287,1207,1358,1360,1363,1364,1390,&1397. Once in a while Allandale mogul's 87 or 88 would handle these trains their last runs were in 1955 however.Thes trains usually had one or two old wood coache/combines for the passenger compontent and handled mail a all the station's until 1955.[/green]

It was jokingly said that on the Alliston subdivision, trains went 20mph foreward,20mph sideways and 20mph up and down due to the rural nature of the sub and it's 56 lbs rail ! All old ex Canadain Northern 10 whelers and moguls were used on this line due to it's delicate light rail.The only regular non mixed passenger train to ply this line was in the form of train 661 from Hamilton this train ran through to collingwood normally powered by D-1CNR's infamous first diesel powered doodle bug which was more off than not out of service and replaced by a light pacific or 10 wheelers.The mixed trains would have an old wooden baggage and a coach all of ex CnoR fame.


Rob




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Posted by wanswheel on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 11:27 PM
Rob, Philly is the right place for a PCC to put its "John Hancock" on a double-parked Rolls Royce.

CM3, a locomotive perhaps similar to Schenectady's last stand, great writing!

B&M 1542 RS3 at Millers Falls, July 1, 1961
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Al, the photographer Otto Perry took these 2:

Locomotive LA-1 "City of Los Angeles" at Cheyenne, Wyo., February 13, 1938
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Locomotive SF-1 "City of San Francisco" at Oakland, Calif., July 26, 1939
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Commodore Vanderbilt's ancient forebear is the best part
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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 11:24 PM
. ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Another Classic Juice encore this evening, this one the pre-history of CNR owned an doperated electric lines in Canada.This was posted originally back on page 163,of note the same page our resident url meister Mike and our seagoing friend John first hooked up with us here.So happy aniversary of sorts guys [tup][8D]

ROB

Classic Juice # 11 Electricity and the big roads in Canada Part 1 CNR

The CNR had dabled in electrification over the years, Mostly in the pre-CNR days. The Grand Trunk on several occations dabbled with traction usually with predictable results ( they gave up and dieselized )

The GTR's first flirtation was in 1902. They purchased a small radial line the Hamilton,Grimsby & Beamsville.They did this to keep this interurban out of arch rival Canadian Northerns Hands who themselves were starting to amass a lot of samller lines electric and otherwise. (The irony of this of coarse is that both these roads failed and were the main components of the Candain National Railway.)

Three years later GTW sold this electric line to Cataract Power( ontario based electricity and traction company. The Brantford and hamilton was part of this group as well ) after losing interest in traction.

The very next year 1906 GTW purchased the Montreal and Southern Counties which had been incorporated in 1897 but has yet to start construction. The affair wasen't rushed no construction began really until 1909, even then it was slow and steady. The MS&C never reached it's intended target of Sherbrooke by 1925 when construction officially ended they were a 58 mile interurban. Sevice was discontinued in 1956.

The only mainline electrification Grand Trunk ever undertook wasthe St Clair Tunnel, this was only done after two fatal incidents with crews of steam engines asphyxiating in the 6,032 foot tunnel under the river.The tunnel was built in 1891 but even though desugbners said that electricity ws the way to do it the process was expensive so GT opted for athrasite burning 0-10-0's and a set of fans.The first accident occured in 1897 the second in 1904. So the electrification finally took place in1906 completeing in 1908. A four mile electric zone !The tunnel bed was lowered by CN in 1941 to increas capacity and lesson ferrry trips of frieght cars it was formally dieselized in 1958. Of coarse the whole tunnel was replaced in 1992.

The last major attempt at electrification by the Grand Trunk occured in BC. This was to be part of the Ill fated Grand Trunk Pacific.The Line between Prince Rupert BC and Fort Frasor was to be electrified do to the tunnels. The line started in 1905 with the last spike of the GTP layed in manitoba in 1914. Do to the lack of money the electrified portion never occured, Blasting of tunnels and some daylighting of the line was done instead at a far greater cost.The GTR bankrupsy of 1920 occured shortly after this second transcontinintal line was completed.

CNR's other predessesor the Canadian Northern also flirted with electrification.Most notably they began construction in 1912 the Mount Royal Tunnel in Montreal even though the co was racked with debt.

The CnoR felt that the tunnel has to be built because they had pooraccess to the city centre, as their terminus ws Morell street well east of downtown wher rivals CPR and GTW were located.With a population of 600,000 and being Canada's major seaport at the time the CnoR felt that money troubles or not they needed the access to Montreal to survive.

The new twin tracked tunnel ( under the city and the competition )was 3.3 miles and lentgh and was to be electrified.The electrification was to extend several miles beyond the tunnel . At Portal Heights the west side of the tunnel a station linkinf th CnoR with the CPR running above was to be built. A model town called Mount Royal was built to feed passengers to this new line.It ws laid out neatly with wide roads high quality houses etc and the roads wer paved with the stone excavated from the tunnel.The idea was that the inhabitants iof this new town werea ten minute ride to downtown via the CnoR's new electric line.


The project looked good on paper but by the time it was completed in 1918 the CnoR no longer existed. IT had been combined with tthe Candian government railways to form the new National Transcontinental and Inter colonial Railway. which in 1921 was joined by the defunct GTW/GTP to become the Candian National Railway.


What happened to the Mount Royal line? It's still around CN actually extended it Catenery and all to St Eustache & Deux montagnes. This comuter line is still operatied under the wire by CN for the Montreal transit authority !

The national harbour board electrics from the Port itself and the NS&T in Ontario wer also members of the Candian Northerns elctric lines and thus became CN property in 1921. The Mount Royal tunnel was demolished in 1943 and replaced byCN's Central station now the location od Place Boneventure. in 1964 montreal's subway system connect her with th electric MU coaches and Via trains,

At only 28 miles this electrified route certainly isn't the most impressive but it still operates today. heres how the rest of the CN electric lines panned out.


Toronto & Eastern ( ex CnoR ) aquired in 1917 abandined in 1924
Chatham Walaceburg & Lake erie ( ex CnoR )aquired 1917 abandoned 1930
Toronto Suburban Railway( ex Cnor ) aquired 1917 abandoned 1931 *
Shawinigan Falls Terminal RY ( ex GT joint CPR ) aquired 1950 dieselized 1958
Montreal & Southern Counties( ex GT ) service ended 1956
St Clair tunnel line ( ex GT )aquired 1920 dieselized 1958 largly unused 1992
Quebec Railway Light & Power Co (interurban ) Purchased 1951 dieselized 1959
Niagara st cath & Toronto ( ex CnoR )purchased 1917 dieselized 1960
Fort William hump yard trolley built 1924 discontinued early 60's
Cornwall Street Railway- bought and dieselized in 1971( freight only after 1953 )
London and Port Stanley bought 1966 alrady dieselized-largly abandoned
Mount Royal Tunnel Line(ex CnoR ) began 1918 operated for STCUM since july 1 1982

Rob

a Post script. You will note that I marked the Toronto Suburban Railway with a *This is becaus eit's not totally abandoned. The TSR was an interurban joining Toronto and Guelph on.The TTC still operates some of it's city trackage. In 1954 our museum's founding fathers bought up the portion of the line that we run on. we had to completely relay the track and catenery but I supose we do occupy the original ROW so that at least is note worthy.
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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 11:14 PM
Good evening again gents. i'm glad to see some activity this afternoon and evening,and rounds purchased as well. Looks as though we can help underright some of the Bosses trip [swg][:D].
Leon set up another round for myself and the trackgangs, we will force the black ink to flow today [tup]

Dave Thanks for the additional info on the PE station, it twas an interesting read to be sure, and a second follow up on my favourite species of Deisel locomotives. [tup]. I've always loved the big Alco's, seeing CP run the last miles out iof their 630's and 636's in the mid nineties was quite a show. They pulle dintermodels just about everything during theirm last months. sadly they were run until something important ( ie expensive )broke down. You can't say that they didn't get their money's worth on those purchases. Hopefully once the abatement in the subway tunnel is finished they will be able to open a PE musuem there of some sort.

Speaking of subways, I saw today that the TTC has ordered $800 million worth of new subway cars for the Yonge and University lines, all high capacity cars with the most modern fire and ventilation systems in them.They are due to be in service by 2009. This will bump the existing T cars which are about 20 years old now to the Bloor and Shepard lines only.

Mike I haven't looked at all the latest urls yet but the PE ones on the station platforms are right on [tup] Another fine addition to the urlmeisters collection of info.

Al Thanks for the Pennsey streamliner, I'm glad to see you pop in the second time today. I'm gonna need to order more CR. Which is not a bad thing. I'm always interested to see the PRR and NYC stuff pop up. Both were important and interesting roads to read about. Make sure that you don't overdo it your first week back to work. You wouldn't want more visits from that 300lbs nurse. [:O][xx(]

Ted Where be you today [?][?]


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Posted by wanswheel on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 8:43 PM
Hi Dave, it's hard to grasp that Los Angeles history predates the automobile. My impression was that the city was founded when 10 million motorists arrived at once and demanded Freeways.

Los Angeles Subway Terminal Building
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Subway building in context, City Hall tallest building in L.A.
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View of the tracks in the tunnels under the Subway Building
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Opening of the Pacific Electric Railway subway in 1926, station in the Subway Building
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Entrance south of First Street near Glendale Blvd., tunneling under Angeleno Heights.
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Posted this one before, now it's Encore time
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Posted by West Coast S on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 7:24 PM
On to other business... Speaking of Alco's CM3,

Though not as ecletic as those of several eastern roads, Alco's were some of the first diesels on the Southern Pacific, the immortal PA'a of 1949, eventually 76 would be purchased. SP purchased it's first Alco, a high hood in 1939 and throughout the war purchased over two hundred S class switchers, the choice was an easy decision, Alco was one of only two builders permitted to build and market switchers. After the war, S class purchases continued until over three hundred had been amassed. Cotton Belt recieved the only RS3's twelve were delivered in 1947, they stayed on home rails and never ventured west of El Paso.

The Pacific Lines chose the RSD5, over forty eight were rostered, they could be found in every type of service, but for the introduction of the SD7 in 1953, no doubt other Alco roadswitchers would have been purchased, by the mid fifties, EMD was the chosen builder, in 1959 Alco recieved a surprise order for four Alco RSD15, these would be restricted to hump service in Eugene OR, until retired after thrity years of faithfull service. A credit dispute with EMD resulted in the placement of sixteen RSD37, rated the same as a EMD geep, they had the advantage of a turbocharger familar and well respected by SP personal. These were assigned to the Bay Area and Central Valley and even saw emergency commute duty. As emissions became a issue, they were relocated to the Houston area, they were well thought of and most were rebuilt for further service as late as the early seventies. These outlasted the Centuary series, being retired in the mid 80s after being forced back to the Pacfic Lines were they toiled in local and transfer service in Los Angeles, due to recent rebuildings, they were quickly snapped up by the used locomotive market.

The century , beginning with the 630, series purchases came about as SP attempted to strong arm EMD into more favorable terms for additional SD45 purchases. They seemed to be the answer at first, they soon proved they were not capable of performing as needed, soon after delivery, with the paint hardly dry, many were sidelined with severe engine and electrical issues, Alco offered SP a no responsbility clause if it would host trials of the 636 model, if satisfied no payments would be required for two years after date of purchase and Alco would be responsible for all maintaince beyond routine. SP knew a good deal when it was offered and a order for thrity 636s was soon inked. SP returned the in 1967, this time for switchers, EMD had no current offering that satisfied SP so the Alco Center Cab was chosen, by the time the final unit was delivered, Alco announced it was ceasing locomotive production, but would continue as a parts supplier.

EMD, once again in the good grace of the SP caused the Century series to be demoted to transfer and hump service, significient modifications were made to the electric system to permit operation in this demanding fashion, the Center Cabs didn't survive past the early seventies, though they had great visibilty from the cab, performance wise, they could never measure up the EMD MP15 series, that was quickly becoming the dominate switcher. Despite, Alco's promise of parts support, it was empty promise. SP was purging everything below 1500hp regardless of builder by the mid seventies, all Alco's and other minority builders would gradually become a distant memory on the Southern Pacific as the decade ensued.


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Posted by West Coast S on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 5:58 PM
Afternoon all....Round of whatever you all agree upon.

Rob, Ted:

My previous posting of the current status of the PE terminal building brought forth some interesting comments from the both of you, I will elaborate further.

The Sub Basement was the result of an failed attempt at a subway system to eliminate 4.4 miles of street running on congested Main Street, the Subway project faltered due to political fallout due to a scandle involving the city mayor and several council men, the PE was also implacated in a kickback scheme involving the main contractor. SP chose to distance itself from the fallout, suspended and later cancelled the subway project. Only the sub basement terminal and the Temeccula Tunnel were ever completed, the new routing had Hollywood and Pasadena cars exit the Sub terminal via Broadway and the Main Street trackage was abandoned.

Prior to the start of America's involvement in WWII, PE sealed the west wall of the Sub Basement Terminal in anticipation of constructing elevated platforms, this required reopening Main Street to help alleviate congestion on the Broadway line, trackage reconfiguarations between Broadway and Main doomed the East entrance, a elevated connector track was erected between Traction and Alameda to drop from the elevated platforms to street level, this ramp skirted the former east enterance and substanial concrete retaining walls and fill work was required, thus sealing the now redundent subway bore in the process.

PE last used the terminal in 1961, shortly after the last runs, the structual steel used in the elevated platforms and fly over bridge were salavaged for their scrap value, leaving a visible scar as to where they had been for decades after. SP maintained three floors for offices while the other three were unoccupied and off limits due to abatement issues, in those more lax times before EPA scrutiny, they simply sealed off the effected areas. After the UP merger, the terminal was sold to a developer with intentions to raze it, the necessary enviormental cleanup cost exceeded the salvage value and the developer walked away from the deal. The City assumed ownership under an abandoned buildings clause. The city allowed it to succomb in a manner not yet seen to date, razing seemed a reality.

Ecnonomic necessity intervened, LA had a quandry; it needed to revive it's downtown or loose hundered of millions of dollars to other cities that had sucessfully applied adaptive reuse to otherwise stangent structures as was evident with cities such as Seattle and San Francisco which were attracting residents and new business to former depressed areas, adaptave reuse made this possible while perserving the past for a purpose in the present, a new generation keen to preservation and well tuned to LA's lack of it brought powerfull poltical forces to bear.

It took ten years to convert the PE terminal Building , it was found to be in much worst condition then orginally thought, the abatement cost, earthquake retrofitting and updated fire prevention systems was staggering, but the project proved sucessfull, all lofts were sold within three months of the project being announced. The sucessfull conversion paved the way for other such structures that otherwise would have been reduced to rubble in the name of progress.

The Subway Terminal is scheduled to be abated and cleaned as funds permit, until then, it remains sealed, with good stewardship and determination, it will once again be possible to relive the great age of the Pacific Electric.

Dave
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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 4:37 PM
Good Afternoon Gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.
One more streamliner posting for mthe day then its back to the office.

NYC
TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED
(June 13, 1938)

On June 15, 1938 the most famous train in America the All
Pullman All Room Extra Fare pride of the New York Central System TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED began streamlined service. The all new all room Pullman Standard built trains numbered four so that if needed an extra section could be operated daily if needed. But not only did the NYC receive 62 new lightweight streamlined cars for the new TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED but also ten streamlined J3 4-6-4 Hudson Locomotives and Tenders for assignment pulling the new TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED numbered 5445 – 5454. The TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED was the worlds first lightweight all room sleeping car train. The rival PRR BROADWAY LIMITED inaugurated all room Pullman service on the same date but the consists had a couple of modernized heavyweight cars in each consist. The TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITEDS streamlined Hudson Locomotives were operated between Chicago and Harmon pulling fourteen car consists sometimes extended to sixteen cars. It was not at all unusual for two sections of fourteen cars each to be operated in each direction on ten-minute headway on the fast sixteen-hour schedule assigned to the TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED. The lightweight streamlined TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED was one of only four streamlined trains in the United States to ever carry Master rooms the most luxurious Pullman accommodation of all complete with private shower facilities and bathroom annex. The other streamlined trains that carried Master Rooms were the PRR BROADWAY LIMITED, PRR LIBERTY LIMITED, and the Southern CRESCENT. The NYC selected famed industrial designer Henry Dreyfuss to design the new paint scheme and interiors of the feature cars, not to mention the magnificent streamlining of the Hudson Locomotives. The completed train sets were among the most tastefully designed and decorated ever constructed. The paint scheme of the new TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED was light gray overall with a dark Blue window band with two white stripes centered in this Blue band and a small white separation stripe between the Blue and gray at both top and bottom of the window band. The paint scheme was never repeated on any further NYC trains, management felt it was a little to gaudy for a train of the TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITEDS prestige. The following is an example train set and is not intended to represent an actual consist although it is possible as all cars were assigned to that train only

5445 J3A 4-6-4 streamlined Hudson Locomotive & Tender

5017 Baggage 60’ Railway Post Office Car

CENTURY CLUB 18 Crew Dormitory Barber Shop Bar 30 seat Lounge Car

CITY OF DAYTON 17 Roomette Sleeping Car

CASCADE DAWN 10 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom

ONANDAGA COUNTY 13 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE GLORY 10 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL CANYON 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

680 38 seat Dining Car

IMPERIAL CASTLE 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL FALLS 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

DUCHESS COUNTY 13 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE VIEW 10 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CITY OF DETROIT 17 Roomette Sleeping Car

MANHATTAN ISLAND 1 Double Bedroom 1 Master Room Bar 22 seat Lounge 10 seat Lounge Observation

PRR
BROADWAY LIMITED
(June 15, 1938)

The PRR inaugurated the lightweight streamlined BROADWAY LIMITED on the same date as rival NYC inaugurated their lightweight stream-lined TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED June 15, 1938. The new BROADWAY LIMITED posed for its publicity photos in the electrified territory with a new GG 1 up front and minus the heavyweight Baggage 60’ Railway Post Office Car, and heavyweight Baggage 15 Crew Dormitory Car. A GG 1 was assigned as power to the BROADWAY LIMITED between New York and Harrisburg in each direction. West of Harrisburg the PRR assigned one or sometimes two of their famous K4 Pacific Locomotives. But initially the PRR borrowed a page from the NYC whom for a year or more had operated streamlined Hudson Locomotive named the COMMODORE VANDERBILT at the head of the heavyweight TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED. Running eastbound from Chicago to Toledo in the evening returning to Chicago at the head of the westbound TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED the next morning. This gave the passengers of the TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED the impression the NYC owned more than one of these streamlined locomotives.
The PRR in a similar manner assigned the streamlined K4 Pacific Locomotive and Tender 3768 to the eastbound BROADWAY LIMITED between Chicago and Crestline, Ohio. The morning westbound BROADWAY LIMITED arrived in Chicago the next morning trailing the 3768 having exchanged power in Crestline.
The PRR selected industrial designer Raymond Loewy to design the 1938 BROADWAY LIMITED after the beautiful job he accomplished on the GG 1. The exterior color scheme of the Fleet of Modernism was Tuscan Red with a light Mauve window band. The fleet of modernism was more than just the lightweight streamlined cars for the BROADWAY LIMITED it also included many lightweight streamlined cars for assignment to the GENERAL, LIBERTY LIMITED, and SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS. The PRR only purchased two train sets for the BROADWAY LIMITED and these consists were twelve cars in length. Without a doubt the BROADWAY LIMITED was a class act and the interiors Raymond Loewy designed for this train erased any doubts that he was a designer with outstanding credentials and abilities. Below is listed a typical BROADWAY LIMITED consist of that period.

3768 PRR K4 4-6-2 Streamlined Pacific Locomotive & Tender

Unknown Heavyweight 60’ Railway Post Office Car

Unknown Heavyweight Baggage 15 Crew Dormitory Car

CITY OF BALTIMORE 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

CITY OF CINCINNATI 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

ALLEGHENY COUNTY 13 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL PARK 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

4420 Heavyweight 30 seat Dining Car

HARBOR POINT Barber Shop Secretary Room 2 Double Bedroom Bar 28 seat Lounge Car

IMPERIAL PASS 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CITY OF COLUMBUS 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

CITY OF NEW YORK 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

SKYLINE VIEW 1 Double Bedroom 2 Master Room Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observation

PRR
LIBERTY LIMITED
(June 15, 1938)

The LIBERTY LIMITED was the name of the first class all Pullman train the PRR operated between Washington, D. C. and Chicago. This train ranked right up there with the BROADWAY LIMITED the New York – Chicago streamliner. The LIBERTY LIMITED although not an exact copy of the BROADWAY LIMITED as it carried several heavyweight sleeping cars in each consist it was the only other PRR train assigned lightweight streamlined cars with Master Rooms. The LIBERTY LIMITED would be streamlined on June 15, 1938 but several of the sleeping cars were streamlined heavyweights and heavyweights at other times. The LIBERTY LIMITED was part of that elite group of trains on the PRR considered to be a part of their Fleet of Modernism. The PRR made up the LIBERTY LIMITED train sets with the heavyweight and streamlined heavyweight cars forward of the Dining car and the five lightweight stream-lined cars were operated to the rear of the Dining Car. Pullman Standard constructed the following Lightweight streamlined cars for assignment to the 1938 LIBERTY LIMITED.

3 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Bar 26 seat Lounge Cars
COLONIAL STAGES
COLONIAL TRAILS

12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars
MILL BROOK
MINERAL BROOK
MIRROR BROOK
MORNING BROOK

10 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars
CASCADE FALLS
CASCADE PARK

1 Double Bedroom 2 Master Room Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations
FEDERAL VIEW
WASHINGTON VIEW

PRR
GENERAL
(June 15, 1938)

The PRR GENERAL was the number two all Pullman train on the New York – Chicago route operating on a slower schedule than the premier train on this route the BROADWAY LIMITED. The GENERAL was another of the PRR Fleet of Modernism trains and the two consists are known to have had the following lightweight streamlined cars constructed by Pullman Standard assigned.

12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars
MAIDEN BROOK
MAJOR BROOK

13 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars
LANCASTER COUNTY
PHILADELPHIA COUNTY

4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars
IMPERIAL RANGE
IMPERIAL TERRACE

18 Roomette Sleeping Cars
CITY OF LOUISVILLE
CITY OF NEWARK

3 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet Bar 26 seat Lounge Cars
COLONIAL CONGRESS
COLONIAL FATHERS
COLONIAL GOVERNORS
COLONIAL STATESMEN

PRR
SPIRIT OF
ST. LOUIS
(June 15, 1938)

The last of the Fleet of Modernism trains of the PRR was the SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS and this train required three sets of equipment for daily service between New York, Washington and St. Louis. This was another all Pullman train and it operated with only the finest in equipment both streamlined heavyweights and new lightweight streamlined sleeping cars. The SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS was the finest offered by the PRR on this route. Pullman Standard constructed the following lightweight streamlined sleeping cars for assignment to the SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS.

12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars
MAPLE BROOK
MAR BROOK
MEADOW BROOK

18 Roomette Sleeping Cars
CITY OF AKRON
CITY OF WILMINGTON
CITY OF YOUNGSTOWN

3 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Bar 26 seat Lounge Cars
COLONIAL DAMES
COLONIAL INNS
COLONIAL MANSIONS

AT&SF
GOLDEN GATES
(July 1, 1938)

The last of the Santa Fe lightweight streamlined trains to enter service in 1938 were the two Budd built seven car trains assigned to GOLDEN GATE service. These schedules were interesting as they used a Bus – Rail – Bus system to get from San Francisco to Los Angeles. The rail part of the trip was between Oakland and Bakersfield by way of the San Joaquin Valley. Passengers rode Santa Fe owned buses between San Francisco and Oakland at the north end of the route and again at the south end between Bakersfield and over the famed Grapevine on Highway 99 to and from Los Angeles. With two trains the Santa Fe was able to provide twice daily round trip GOLDEN GATE schedules daily. The Santa Fe Bus – Train – Bus service was faster than Southern Pacific San Francisco – Los Angeles all rail routes (San Joaquin or Coast Line) between California’s two largest cities at the time.

8 EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3490 Baggage 36 Revenue seat Coach

3116 52 Revenue seat Coach

3095 60 Revenue seat Coach

1501 14 seat Lunch Counter 20 seat Dining Lounge Car

3117 26 Revenue seat Coach 28 seat Lounge Car

3090 60 Revenue seat Coach

3243 60 Revenue seat Coach Observation

SECOND CONSIST

9 EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3491 Baggage 36 Revenue seat Coach

3115 52 Revenue seat Coach

3093 60 Revenue seat Coach

1502 14 seat Lunch Counter 20 seat Dining Lounge Car

3118 26 Revenue seat Coach 28 seat Club Lounge Car

3091 60 Revenue seat Coach

3244 60 Revenue seat Coach Observation

CMStP&P
HIAWATHA
(September 19, 1938)
421 miles

On September 19, 1938 the Milwaukee Road launched their third lightweight streamlined HIAWATHA trains between Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Paul, Minneapolis. This time to power the nine car lightweight streamlined trains the Milwaukee Road selected new streamlined 4-6-4 Baltic (as the Milwaukee Road preferred to call their Hudson) Locomotive and tenders. The Milwaukee Road shops constructed the cars for the new streamliners and these differed from earlier lightweight streamlined cars as they had seven lengthwise external fluted ribs showing instead of the previous group of HIAWATHA cars three. This gave the Milwaukee Road cars a look of their own and this type of externally ribbed car can be seen on today’s Russian and Chinese Railroads looking as though they were copied from Milwaukee Road car plans. The new engines were excellent performers and gave the Milwaukee Road great service throughout there careers easily capable of maintaining speeds in excess of 100 mph when called upon to do so with even the heaviest of trains. This new HIAWATHA became the MORNING HIAWATHA on January 21, 1939 when nearly identical consists were placed in Chicago – Minneapolis service and named the AFTERNOON HIAWATHAS. This gave the Milwaukee Road two daily HIAWATHAS in each direction between the Windy City and Twin Cities daily. At the time the following consist became the MORNING HIAWATHA a lightweight streamlined 60’ Railway Post Office car was added to each train set.

100 ALCO F7 class 4-6-4 Streamlined Baltic Locomotive and Tender

153 Express Buffet 44 seat TIP TOP TAP Tavern Car

437 56 Revenue seat Coach

439 56 Revenue seat Coach

441 56 Revenue seat Coach

443 56 Revenue seat Coach
109 48 seat Dining Car

CHANDLER 24 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Stateroom

HANSON 24 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Stateroom

EARLING 28 Revenue seat Parlor Beavertail Observation

SECOND CONSIST

101 ALCO F7 class 4-6-4 Streamlined Baltic Locomotive & Tender

154 Express Buffet 44 seat TIP TOP TAP Tavern Car

438 56 Revenue seat Coach

440 56 Revenue seat Coach

442 56 Revenue seat Coach

444 56 Revenue seat Coach

110 48 seat Dining Car

HILAND 24 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Stateroom

MANCHESTER 24 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Stateroom

MERRILL 28 Revenue seat Parlor Beavertail Observation

CMStP&P
CHIPPEWA
(September 19, 1938)
315 miles

The CHIPPEWA received lightweight streamlined cars on this date using equipment from earlier HIAWATHAS and a pair of older 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotives and Tenders streamlined in the Milwaukee Road shops. The CHIPPEWA was not assigned a Beavertail Observation or lightweight streamlined Diner at that time so was not given HIAWATHA status. The CHIPPEWA operated between Chicago and Ontonagan and required two sets of equipment to maintain daily service in each direction. Later the CHIPPEWA would become the CHIPPEWA HIAWATHA after Milwaukee Road management decided that all streamlined trains would be HIAWATHAS but the CHIPPEWA would not attain this status until 1948. The equipment for the CHIPPEWA was from earlier HIAWATHAS and changed quite often in makeup not only seasonally, almost daily in some cases such as coaches assigned.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 11:24 AM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Back again for a couple of seconds anyway. Here's a Calssic encore from the bossman himself. What with all
the mention of the NH I figured that this would be appropriate for this afternoon,that and it's nice to see some of Tom's stuff even uif he is away from the bar enjoying the time of his life.[8D][;)]

Rob


QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

Gentlemen at the bar!

I leave you with two gestures tonite - Boris Ring the bell for a round on me - and a ENCORE! Fallen piece for a nite-cap! [tup]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:


New York, New Haven & Hartford (NYNH&H) (NH)

Headquarters: New Haven, CT

Mileage in 1950: 1,800

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 381 – Electric: 22

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 6,925 – Passenger cars: 1,055 (including self-propelled)

Principal routes in 1950:

New York City (Grand Central)-New Haven-New London, CT-Providence, RI-Boston, MA
New York City (Pennsylvania Station)-New Rochelle, NY
New Haven-Hartford, CT-Springfield, MA
New Haven-Middletown-Putnam, CT-Boston (Readville)
New Haven-Northhampton & Holyoke, MA
Devon-Winsted, CT
Waterbury-Hartford-Plainfield, CT-Providence
Providence (Valley Falls)-Worcester, MA
Norwalk, CT-Pittsfield & Station Line, MA
Derby, CT-Campbell Hall & Beacon, NY
New London-Worcester
New Bedford & Fall River-Framingham-Lowell & Fitchburg, MA
Boston-Brocton-Provincetown & Hyannis & Woods Hole, MA
Attleboro-Taunton-Middleboro, MA
South Braintree-Plymouth, MA

Passenger trains of note:

NEW YORK-BOSTON
Bay State – Bostonian - Commander – Forty Second Street – Gilt Edge –
Hell Gate Express – Merchants Limited – Murray Hill – Narragansett –
New Yorker – Owl – Puritan – Roger Williams – Shoreliner – Yankee Clipper


BOSTON-PHILADELPHIA-WASHINGTON
(operated by PRR west of NYC (Penn Station)
Colonial – Federal – Patriot – Pilgrim – Quaker – Senator – William Penn

OTHER RUNS
Bankers (New York-Springfield)
Berkshires (New York-Pittsfield)
Connecticut Yankee (New York-Springfield)
Day Cape Codder (New York-Hyannis & Woods Hole
Day White Mountain (New York-Berlin, NH; operated by B&M north of Springfield)
Montrealer (New York-to-Montreal, operated by B&M, CV & CN north of Springfield)
Nathan Hale (New York-Springfield)
Naugatuck (New York-Winsted)
Night Cap (New York-Stamford, CT
State of Maine (New York-Portland, ME via Providence & Worcester; B&M beyond
Washingtonian (Montreal-to-Washington counterpart to Montrealer


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Enjoy! [tup]

Leon the Night Man has the bar!

Tom
[4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 11:14 AM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Just another encore in keeping with the CNR material from yesterday. This is a short piece on the formation of the CNR from all of it's various bankrupt parts. Enjoy again.

Rob

CLASSIC CNR STEAM # 13 THE FORMING OF THE CNR


Tom and I have talked about the various bits and parts of the CNR so here is the short short history of how they came to be. Enjoy Rob.

Sir Robert Borden,who had become Prime Minister in 1911,kept arguing for publi ownership of a nationwide railway system. He pointed out that 90 % of the Grand Trunk's transcontinental ambitions were already publically funded by government loans,and for only 10 % more the country could own and control the system. Faced by the urgent demands of the war,Parliment decided to act on his suggestion.

It began in 1917 by obtaining the Candian Northern, and appointing a board of directors chaired by D.B. Hanna. The following year, the board's jurisdiction was extended over the Candian Government Railways. 15 lines in all, the main one's being the Intercolonial,the National Transcontinental,the Hudson Bay Railway,and the Prince Edward Island Railway.

Then , on June 6,1919, Parliament passed an act incorporating the Canadian National Railway Company and appointed Hanna as President. The first major aquisition made by the new corporation was of the Grand Trunk Pacific the next year.


The first anual report issued by the board was for 1921, the third year in the life of the new railway. They gave details of the assets and liabilities of the component companies as well as those of Canadian National. They reported earnings in 1921 of $47,321.44, compared to the 1920 defficet of $4 million. By 1923 with the takeover of the rest of the Grand Trunk and it's Grand Trunk Western ( american holdings ) they had built a soilid company.

SOME STATS ON THE NEW RAILWAY


Once the govt incorporated the company Canadian National Railway's, it created one of the largest railways in the world, with various railway related services. All for the benefit of it's sole shareholder the people of Canada ( aka the Federal govt ). At the outset it had 105.905 employees , 2078 pensioners, 3268 loccomotives , 138,925 pieces of rolling stock passenger and freight, 21,700 miles of track, and telegraph lines , hotels, car ferries,barges and tugs.

Candian National telegraph's had 3852 employee's serving the public and railway needs for messeges along 113,105 miles of wire. The express dept had 3255 employee's, as well as 628 horses , 111 motor trucks, 1095 waggons and sleighs, 2959 platform trucks ( hand dollies ), and 584 safes ( locaated in express buildings, amnd stations ) Among the business handles during the year were 47 million pounds of fish,3500 live foxes and 4400 Horses ( principally the racing type )

Eight major hotels. built by the predessesr companies werw there to serve the riding public in style. These were not operated by a separate company but left in control of the General Manager of Hotels,Sleeping and Dinning cars.
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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 11:04 AM
Good morning gentlemen.I think I'll grab myself a coffee with that little extra ala BK,and in keeping with the nostalgic food orders I will order two light breakfasts just like Doug would. ( gotta keep the girls in the kichen awake )

Al Thanks for the continuing support of the encoring of your streamliner matereials. The boys seem to be appreciating them and as always they are a good read. [tup] Mike's bee able to keep up with the url photo's to go right along with them, which is exactly what we are about on this here thread. 5x[tup]["D][yeah] for the "few"

Mike Those PCC's are in Philly. On many occation we thouhgt that we were going to clip someone,with the way those yahoo's would park their cars [:O] That line was closd down, but the track and overhead was left up.Two years ago they began refurbishing it and the PCC's and it is now back in service. Apparently the close to ten years without streetcars on the line had allowed the "natives" to get in the habit of parking where they shouldn't. It's lead to many bumps n scrapes and many a parking ticket in the City of Brotherly Love ( an oxymoron for sure ) I'm glad that you have been able to put your atlas to use [swg] and here you thought that once you were out of grade school that you could set it aside as a coffee table leveller [swg]. Thank's for the continued url support, we would be lost without you [tup]

CM3 Good morning again sir, I'm glad that you are still with us in your usual spot, helps keep things a flowing along.allow me to pick up your tab for the day. Loved the B&M reroll. RS3's well Alco's in general have always been my long favourite locomotives. I am a true Alcophile. Luckily I have been blessed with seeing many Alco's up close abd persona; with MLW / Bombardier producing the later marks well into the 70's and early 80's. We still have a pile of them toiling away on the various shortlines up here north of the boarder. I have to say that cab rides in an Alco are an absolute blast. I was luckey enough to get a ride in a C425 belonging to Trillium Rail ( ex BCR, ex Erie Lackawanna unit ) while they switched the old NS&T districts along the old CN canal Sub, what a ride ( I can still taste the grit from that old 251 pounding away behind us )Thanks for sharing that story with us again. [tup]

Rob
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Posted by coalminer3 on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 9:45 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

All kinds of encore material, Philadelphia PCCs, Rock Island, CNW/UP and lots of URLs (including some New Haven materila). Thanks to all.

I'll add a piece of B&M material which I posted a long time back.

Schenectady’s Last Stand

The branch is different in the fall and the winter as frost and early snow have combined to smash down the summer’s vegetation and leave it yellowed and withered. The crickets are gone and silence and cold have replaced the noise of birds and the warmth of the summer wind. It’s a cold and gray day a little before Thanksgiving, the air damp and smelling of rain and maybe sleet, and I’m out walking the branch again.

I hear the sound of a diesel horn blowing for the crossing. This horn is deeper and more melodious. An Alco for sure, but the question is what kind? Well, we’ll find out pretty soon. I can see maroon and gold paint; a little closer and it turns out to be a battered RS3.

The Boston and Maine over the years had bought several kinds of Alco switchers; among them a number of RS3s. They had arrived painted in maroon and gold with the Concord Minuteman herald. Some of them were repainted blue and white, but a few had managed to keep their original colors. As an engineer told me once, “You can’t kill ‘em. They’ll run until they fall apart.”

Whatever their paint or condition, clearly their time is short. It won’t be long until they’re white lined and busted up for parts, their skeletons sitting in the deadline behind the Billerica shops. But right now, the RS3 is still running; pulling a handful of freight cars trailed by a blue and white B&M buggy; handling a branch line local freight like it has thousands of times.

They had set out and picked up some orange PFE refrigerator cars down the road and now here they are, getting ready to set out a car at the lumber yard. The weather is turning colder now, fog comes up off the meadow, and I hunker down into my field coat – trying to keep warm.

The engineer cracks the cab window and yells down, “What the hell are you doing down there? Come up and ride with us where it’s warm.” Up the steps I go, hanging onto the rails. Then down the short hood, open the door, and step into the engine cab. The interior is painted a light green. It’s dirty and reeks of diesel smoke and oil, but he’s right, it is warmer and out of the wind. “We’re gonna leave the train here, and go up the road first to get some cars and then come back and drop this car,” the engineer says. I fish in my pocket and hand him a cigar – coin of the realm, and the price for my ride. I’ll pass out more to the rest of the crew when I see them. The brakeman joins us having cut off the engine from the rest of the train. He gets a cigar too.

The engineer kicks off the air and opens the throttle. Nothing happens for a bit and then we start to move. The engine shudders and then digs in making the characteristic Alco “chompa-chompa-chompa” sound. Smoke drifts back over us, and I can hear the sound of the traction motors and feel them vibrating through my feet. We don’t go too fast which is just as well given the questionable track conditions on the branch.

Sleet slats against the cab windows and the sky is getting grayer. It gets dark quickly in New England on a November afternoon.

There’s the cars we’ll get - two CN boxcars. The brakeman unloads, walks up ahead, leaning into the wind, unlocks and opens the switch. He flips a hand signal and catches the footboard of the RS as it moves ahead. We couple onto the cars with a “c-lunk” followed by a short back-and forth motion.

Now it’s time to pull the cars out of the siding, stop and wait for the brakeman to reline the switch. We move ahead again and pick up the brakeman. This crew has been together for a long time and they don’t say much to each other, but the engineer’s not going to let the brakeman ride in the sleet and fog.

Back we go down the branch. There’s the rest of our train and we couple onto the car to be set out at the lumberyard. This one’s a Milwaukee Road boxcar with horizontally ribbed sides – they always did things differently on the Milwaukee. The slogan on its side says, “Route of the Olympian Hiawatha.”

It’s quick work to couple on, pull ahead, get the switch and make the set out. The crew wants me to ride back to Boston with them, but I can’t this day, so I thank them, unload and watch the Alco head back toward the siding down the road where it will put its train back together again. I don’t know it, but it’s the last time I’ll ride an RS3 on the B&M.

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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 8:10 AM
Good Mornig gang. Time for a cup of coffee and and a crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

Glad to see Mike is supplying photos of the streamliners. The picture of the Super Chief was on that trains inaugural run when the boxcabs substituted for the Streamlined E1 units.

Continuing early streamliners.

C&NW – UP
CITY OF
LOS ANGELES
(December 18, 1937)
2,299 miles

The second CITY OF LOS ANGELES consist entered service December 18, 1937, this new train was comprised of full size lightweight streamlined cars with no more than two articulated in pairs together. The power for the new train was EMC and comprised of E2A Cab Unit LA-1 and two E2B Booster units LA-2 and LA-3 with a combined horsepower rating of 5,400, these were among the last Winton powered diesel units produced by EMC. With this train known as the seventh train the C&NW – UP were offering two CITY OF LOS ANGELES train sets. The new seventh train was fourteen cars in length providing Coach seating for 104 and sleeping car space for 139 passengers. This gave the UP two round trips a week for the CITY OF LOS ANGELES from both Chicago and Los Angeles.

LA-1 EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

LA-2 EMC E1B 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

LA-3 EMC E1B 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

LA-101 Auxiliary Power Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Car

LA-401 LAS VEGAS Articulated 52 Revenue seat Coach
LA-402 SALT LAKE Articulated 52 Revenue seat Coach

LA-601 BILTMORE Articulated 32 seat Coffee Shop Kitchen Car
LA-602 AMBASSADOR Articulated 72 seat Dining Room Car

LA-701 “THE LITTLE NUGGET” 8 crew Dormitory Buffet 35 seat Lounge Car

SANTA MONICA Articulated 4 Compartment 3 Drawing Room Sleeping Car
WILSHIRE Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car

SAN DOMINGUEZ Articulated 4 Compartment 3 Drawing Room Sleeping Car
SAN FERNANDO Articulated 13 Roomette Sleeping Car

ARROYO SECO Articulated 11 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
BEVERLY HILLS Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car

ROSE BOWL 12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

LA-901 SUN VALLEY Barber Shop Buffet 38 seat Lounge Observation

C&NW – UP – SP
CITY OF
SAN FRANCISCO
(January 2, 1938)
2,260 miles

The new eighth train with a fourteen car consist was inaugurated January 2, 1938 from Chicago to Oakland Pier. The new eighth train like the seventh train CITY OF LOS ANGELES consist no more than two cars were articulated together and the cars were of standard streamlined height and width. Unlike the CITY OF LOS ANGELES the earlier CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO train the fourth train was retired as the FORTY NINER was also providing service on this route. The new CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO consist differed from the seventh train with only a single coach providing seating for 54 coach passengers. The sleeping car space accommodated 168 passengers. The new train was assigned a single EMC E2A unit SF-1 and a pair of EMC E2B units SF-2 and SF-3 for power identical to those that were assigned to power the new CITY OF LOS ANGELES. The new CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO would be in service eight months when a deliberate act of sabotage would send it crashing through a bridge and into the Humboldt River below while westbound across Nevada. It would be over a year before the Union Pacific would be able to replace the wrecked CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO consist with a new CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO train. In that years time a makeshift streamlined consist using cars built for other trains was substituted thanks to Pullman and their ability to shift cars where they were needed most.

SF-1 EMC E2A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

SF-2 EMC E2B 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

SF-3 EMC E2B 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

SF-101 Auxiliary Power Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Car

SF-401 MARKET STREET 54 Revenue seat Coach

SF-601 PRESIDIO Articulated 32 seat Coffee Shop Kitchen Car
SF-602 MISSION DOLORES Articulated 72 seat Dining Room Car

EMBARCADERO 8 Crew Dormitory Buffet 25 seat Lounge Car

TWIN PEAKS Articulated 4 Compartment 3 Drawing Room Sleeping Car
CHINATOWN Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car

FISHERMENS WHARF Articulated 4 Compartment 3 Drawing Room Sleeping Car
GOLDEN GATE PARK Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car

SEAL ROCKS Articulated 11 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
UNION SQUARE Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car

TELEGRAPH HILL 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

PORTSMOUTH SQUARE 12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SF-901 NOB HILL Barber Shop Buffet 38 seat Lounge Observation

AT&SF
CHIEF
(January 21, 1938)
2,223 miles

On January 21, 1938 the Santa Fe CHIEF became a lightweight streamlined all Pullman daily Chicago – Los Angeles train. The CHIEF was assigned new modern 4-6-4 Hudson Locomotives and tenders between Chicago and La Junta, Colorado and from that point to Los Angeles new 4-8-4 Northern Locomotives & tenders were assigned as power. Only one of the new Hudson Locomotives was streamlined the 3460, it was painted in two shades of Blue with a stainless steel band separating the colors. This engine quickly earned the nickname “BLUE GOOSE” The CHIEF at that time was an all Pullman Extra Fare train and its equipment was nearly identical to that built for the second streamlined SUPER CHIEF. The new lightweight streamlined CHIEF operated on a 48-hour schedule in each direction and all six consists were ten cars in length with a passenger capacity of 151. Pullman Standard built all Sleeping cars, Budd of Philadelphia constructed feature cars of the new CHIEFS. The CHIEF would receive diesels following WW II with PA diesels the postwar ALCO 2,000 hp passenger diesels that earned the title honorary steam locomotive being those first assigned. These units were assigned in A-B-A sets of 6,000 hp. The CHIEF would receive BIG Dome Lounge cars in 1956 and add Coaches shortly thereafter. Unfortunately as passenger load counts slowed the CHIEF was discontinued in 1968, as there were more trains than necessary for the shrinking passenger train business between Chicago and Los Angeles. But the Santa Fe CHIEF will always be remembered as one of the finest.
The following is a sample consist as found between Chicago and Los Angeles in 1938.

3460 BLUE GOOSE Streamlined 4-6-4 Hudson Locomotive & Tender (Chicago – La Junta)

3765 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender (La Junta – Los Angeles)

1380 SAN MIGUEL Baggage Barber Shop Buffet 30 seat Lounge Car

DINNEBITO 14 Section Sleeping Car

CHACO 17 Roomette Sleeping Car

HOTEVILLA 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1371 NAMBE 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 28 seat Lounge Car

1475 36 seat Dining Car

HUALPI 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SALAHKAI 8 Section 2 Compartment 2 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SEGATOA 8 Section 2 Compartment 2 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

BETAHTAKIN 1 Double Bedroom 4 Drawing Room 17 seat Lounge Observation

CRI&P
KANSAS CITY – OKLAHOMA CITY
ROCKET
(February 13, 1938)
407 miles

This ROCKET between Kansas City and Oklahoma City began service February 13, 1938 using the former KANSAS CITY / DENVER ROCKET consist. The new ROCKET service operated a daily round trip, and it was while these three cars were in this service that they received new names to reflect the area they now operated in. The new KANSAS CITY – OKLAHOMA ROCKET service lasted until November 14, 1938.

606 EMC TA 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

403 CIMARRON RIVER formerly BEAR LAKE Articulated Baggage Kitchen 32 seat Dinette Coach
303 CHISHOLM TRAIL formerly MT. EVANS Articulated 76 Revenue seat Coach

453 SOONER STATE formerly PIKES PEAK 28 revenue seat Coach 24 seat Parlor Lounge Observation

AT&SF
EL CAPITAN
(February 22, 1938)
2,223 miles

The Santa Fe inaugurated a pair of Coach streamlined trains on the same fast 39-3/4 hour timing as the Santa Fe’s finest the all Pullman SUPER CHIEF between Chicago and Los Angeles beginning February 22, 1938. Like the SUPER CHIEF the EL CAPITAN was an Extra Fare Extra Fast train. These two trains each consisted of five cars pulled by a single EMC 1,800 HP E1A. The five car Budd built consists had a capacity of 186 passengers initially and grew from that point with the addition of 60-seat Budd built coaches borrowed from the SCOUT pool. With two complete consists the Santa Fe was able to provide every third day departures from both Chicago and Los Angeles. In later years the EL CAPITAN would grow to become America's most popular and finest all coach streamlined train.

5 EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3480 Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory 32 Revenue seat Coach

3103 52 Revenue seat Coach

1505 14 seat Lunch Counter 24 seat Dining Car

3104 52 Revenue seat Coach

3198 50 Revenue seat Coach Observation

SECOND CONSIST

6 EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3481 Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory 32 Revenue seat Coach

3105 52 Revenue seat Coach

1506 14 Seat Lunch Counter 24 seat Dining Car

3106 52 Revenue seat Coach

3199 50 Revenue seat Coach Observation

AT&SF
SUPER CHIEF
(February 22, 1938)
2,223 miles

On the same date February 22, 1938 the new EL CAPITANS entered service the Santa Fe began operating a second SUPER CHIEF consist along with the first SUPER CHIEF consist began operating on the same dates as the EL CAPITAN train sets sailed. The new consist was nine cars in length and the Santa Fe dropped the full Baggage Car from the first SUPER CHIEF consist and added two new cars in place of the 3460 Baggage car to more closely match the second SUPER CHIEF consist. One of the new cars for the first SUPER CHIEF train set was a Baggage 7 Crew Dormitory Bar 30 seat Lounge Car from Budd 1386 SAN CLEMENTE and a 17 Roomette Sleeping Car from Pullman Standard named TUBA. EMC E1A – E1B set of diesels numbered 3L and 3A, powered the all-new nine car second SUPER CHIEF consists. Initially the second SUPER CHIEF lightweight streamlined train operated with borrowed sleeping cars from the CHIEF pool until delivery of the new Pullman Standard built cars in July 1938. The second SUPER CHIEF consist listed below is after the second SUPER CHIEF received its new sleeping cars in July 1938.

3L EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3A EMC E1B 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

1387 SAN ACACIA Baggage 7 Crew Dormitory Bar 30 seat Lounge Car

CHIMAYO 17 Roomette Sleeping Car

TALWIWI 8 Section 2 Compartment 2 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

TCHIREGE 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1377 AGATHLA Barber Shop Bar 28 seat Lounge 12 Crew Dormitory Car

1485 AWATOBI 36 seat Dining Car

TSANKAWI 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

TYOUNYI 8 Section 2 Compartment 2 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

PUYE 1 Double Bedroom 4 Drawing Room 17 seat Lounge Observation

AT&SF
SAN DIEGAN
(March 27, 1938)

The Santa Fe inaugurated the first lightweight streamlined SAN DIEGAN train on March 27, 1938 scheduled for two daily round trips between Los Angeles and San Diego. The new six car streamlined train provided revenue coach seating for 152 and revenue Parlor seating for 32. The new train was an instant success running full on both daily round trips scheduled for 2-1/2 hours in each direction with scheduled stops at Santa Ana, Oceanside, and Del Mar. Additional scheduled stops were added to the SAN DIEGAN schedules with the first timetable change. The consist was built by Budd and the power was a single EMC E1A.

7A EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3400 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

3102 48 Revenue seat Coach

3113 52 Revenue seat Coach

3114 52 Revenue seat Coach

1500 14 seat Lunch Counter 20 seat Tavern Lounge Car

3240 32 Revenue seat Parlor Observation

AT&SF
CHICAGOAN / KANSAS CITYAN
(April 17, 1938)

The Santa Fe introduced a pair of Day trains using lightweight streamlined cars from the Budd Company between Chicago and Wichita, Kansas beginning April 17, 1938. These two seven car lightweight streamlined trains operated the lengthy schedule in 12-3/4 hours between end points. Shortly after entering service the trains western terminal would be moved to Oklahoma City extending running times by an additional three hours. The westbound train was named KANSAS CITYAN and the eastbound train was the CHICAGOAN. The Santa Fe inaugural runs of the two lightweight streamliners were operated with EMC E1A units 8 and 9 but within a month the Santa Fe assigned 1 and 10 the numbers of the old Santa Fe Box Cab Diesel Passenger units 1A and 1B. After being rebuilt in Santa Fe Topeka Shops with elevated cab at one end only and a new nose added at that same end. They really resembled two E1A units that had been involved in a head on collision and the shops repainted the results in the Santa Fe War bonnet scheme. These became the regular power for the KANSAS CITYAN – CHICAGOAN. The two trains were a major success for the Santa Fe for many years.

8 EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3401 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

3107 52 Revenue seat Coach

3108 52 Revenue seat Coach

3109 52 Revenue seat Coach

1399 26 Revenue seat Coach 30 seat Club Lounge Car

1487 48 seat Dining Car

3241 32 Revenue seat Parlor Observation

SECOND CONSIST

9 EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3402 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

3110 52 Revenue seat Coach

3111 52 Revenue seat Coach

3112 52 Revenue seat Coach

1398 26 Revenue seat Coach 30 seat Club Lounge Car

1486 48 seat Dining Car

3242 32 Revenue seat Parlor Observation

T&NO
HUSTLER
(June 1, 1938)

The HUSTLER was introduced to the traveling public on June 1, 1938 a streak of DAYLIGHT Orange and RED pulled by streamlined Pacific’s. In actual fact the HUSTLER trains were the same consists as the SUNBEAMS but the Texas and New Orleans assigned a different name to them when each consist was assigned to operate a round trip daily schedule between Dallas and Houston. At that time the HUSTLER became the morning train making all stops in route and the SUNBEAMS became the afternoon trains operating non-stop between the two largest cities in Texas. This was done to counter the CB&Q –CRI&P and their twice-daily round trip streamlined trains. For equipment list of the HUSTLERS see the SUNBEAM listing of 1937.

TTFN Al
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Posted by wanswheel on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 7:18 AM
Good morning all

Rob, any idea what town that is in the pictures of the PCC? Sure is a cool machine to look at it turning the corner like it's turned that corner a million times, knowing exactly where it's going.
Your encores are getting me nostalgic for the good old days of locating Kincardine in the atlas.

CM3, cool stories of your father on the Comet, and your MTA rides too. There are 3 more pictures of the Comet, incidentally. Stop me if you've already seen them. Thanks for the stats on Ed Walsh.

http://quest.lib.uconn.edu:20027/enc36ui/servlet/LogicRouter?PAGE=object&OUTPUTXSL=object_enc36ui.xslt&pm_RC=R_RAILRDDB&pm_GT=Y&pm_IAC=Y&pm_OI=362&api_1=GET_OBJECT_XML&num_relate=362

http://quest.lib.uconn.edu:20027/enc36ui/servlet/LogicRouter?PAGE=object&OUTPUTXSL=object_enc36ui.xslt&pm_RC=R_RAILRDDB&pm_OI=361&pm_GT=Y&pm_IAC=Y&api_1=GET_OBJECT_XML&num_result=0

http://quest.lib.uconn.edu:20027/enc36ui/servlet/LogicRouter?PAGE=object&OUTPUTXSL=object_enc36ui.xslt&pm_RC=R_RAILRDDB&pm_OI=363&pm_GT=Y&pm_IAC=Y&api_1=GET_OBJECT_XML&num_result=1
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New Haven Railroad's 1st electric train to New York in 1907
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New Haven engine 1406 Streamlined 4-6-4
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Ted, the streamlined steam engines remind me of science fiction, like Buck Rogers or something. The way of the future as it was imagined at the time. Sorry to put another one. Here's a couple pics with unstreamlined steam:
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/HOB-train10.jpg
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr4067_norfolk_&_western_terminal_roanoke_va_1943.jpg

Al, from Cheyenne to Ogden on the Forty-Niner, the UP 7002 was the jinxed locomotive that Dave posted about a few weeks ago, the "widow maker."

Encore url of The Royal Blue is still a great picture
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr4020_b&o_royalblue_1835_thomas_viaduct_jerseycity_nj1940.jpg

Encore url of The Super Chief east of Trinidad, Colorado on May 19, 1937 is still a grey picture
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002001/00002112.jpg

Rock Island motor car / doodlebug / whatever
http://storm.simpson.edu/~RITS/equipment/OsborneBureau/RocketJR.jpg

Pretty sure the Rock Island train I have remembered since age 3 was pulled by Electromotive TA.
The "T" was for twelve, like 1200 horses. The "A"? Could be Anything
http://storm.simpson.edu/~RITS/equipment/dieselpix/ta.gif

Rock Island station at Davenport, my first hometown. .
http://storm.simpson.edu/~RITS/structures/depots/Kline/DavenportPostcard.jpg
Our next-door neighbors had a '48 Ford that sure looked like this one:
http://storm.simpson.edu/~RITS/structures/depots/Kline/Davenport1.jpg

Today is the 62nd anniversary of D-Day
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/treasures/images/vc68a.1.jpg

Supreme Allied Commander on the Rock Island Line
http://storm.simpson.edu/~RITS/histories/IkeNewton/photos/IM0002.jpg
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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, June 5, 2006 10:18 PM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Since poor Doug is still without computer I figured that I would reroll another of his fine efforts from the back pages of "Our Place"Justr another gem of railroading past.[tup]
Enjoy again

Rob

QUOTE: Originally posted by barndad


My next submission is on the RPO (Railroad Post Office), and isn't one I'm too proud of. The subject matter is interesting, but the way it was told is not. But you be the judge. I included some pix to help it along. Here's Part I

Sorting on the Road by Don Rohrer – Rail Classics Jan. 1984



The last mail car has departed and the Railway Mail Service remains only in memory, as a bright and unique chapter of our railroad history.

The Post Office Department, perhaps purposely, failed to publicly recognize the mobile organization. To the vast majority of Americans the RMS was an unknown quantity. The average observer was inclined to fix the express messenger, baggageman and railway mail clerk into the same category.

Nevertheless, for a full century the RMS, with an interlocking system of trains and distribution expertise, provided the main trunk in delivering the mails before the advent of the zip code and the electronic sorting machine.

In spite of lack of recognition, the road clerks were a proud and productive group. Team work was essential to successful operation, and clerks responded with an amazing esprit de corps.

To best interpret RMS action, we wi***o take you for a ride with an R.P.O. crew on a fairly typical trip in 1966. With the RMS on its last wheels, we will occasionally refer back to more vital days in RMS annals.

St. Paul, Minnesota in the winter can serve up a first-class blizzard and biting, cold wind was sweeping through the Milwaukee Road yards one 5 a.m. As I walked out to the Chicago and Minneapolis mail car, part of the consist of the Twin City Hiawatha which was on track No. 11. The Hiawathas were still superb trains in 1966, sleek and streamlined flyers, bearing the Milwaukee Road’s traditional orange and maroon colors. The locomotives were powerful 3600 hp diesels. Inaugurated in the early ‘thirties, the original Hiawathas were quite spectacular, with locomotives patterned after Britain’s Flying Scotsman, sporting shrouded boilers and skirted wheels and consists of a dozen shining coaches, with distinctive beaver-tailed observation cars bringing up the rear.

With my sheepskin coat pulled up around my ears, I banged on the mail car door until Basil Loney flung it open. I was grateful to be able to climb into the welcome warmth of the “Minnie.” I exchanged greetings and observed the crew as I set my road-grip on the counter in front of my Illinois letter case and changed into my working clothes.

Five subs (substitutes) in a crew of fifteen. Not too encouraging. It was reassuring, however to see Old Wall Erickson at the pouch case, the core of our operation. A good performance there was essential to a successful trip. Incidentally, our organization included another capable Wallace Erickson, dubbed Young Wall.

The pouch and paper racks had already been set up and labeled, and headers and slips run in the letter cases, by the time the mail handlers arrived with the first load of pouches and sacks. A freezing blast of cold air and snow swept through the car when Norm Podratz, the paper case man, opened the door. Old Wall helped him take in the mail, while I checked off the pouches as they were called. The rest of the crew formed a chain gang and relayed the pouches and sacks up or down the aisle to their assigned stalls. The #1 and #2 mails close by for first attention, and the #3 – for distant states – farther down the 90-foot car, to be worked later.

Our immediate task was to “get the jump on it” in the yards. To “clean up” the mails, to avoid “going stuck,” was the primary goal of the railway mail crews. If there were unworked mail at the end of the trip, the boss would be forced to come up with a reason. One of the few acceptable excuses was “sub in crew.” These poor subs really earned their stripes!

There existed within the ranks an esprit de corps of the kind needed for swift, sustained and cooperative action.

The clerks were required also to devote much time between trips to the study of schemes and schedules. An example of the knowledge needed, Platteville, Wisconsin, alone had eight different supplies, depending on our location on the line.

I put substitute *** Kelly dumping pouches. He was a new hand, and knew very little about distribution. Basil Loney picked up the first bundles of letters to hit the table and returned quickly to his “hot” local letter case. Other clerks continued to assist at the pouch and paper tables, tossing directs, and mail for connecting RPO lines, into their respective pouches and sacks, until their own stated working packages arrived.

Harry Anderson, the registery clerk, had caught up on his mixed letters, and as no “reds” had arrived as yet, prepared coffee. Mail lock coffee it was called; when it was think enough to float a mail lock it was considered satisfactory.

The Great Northern and the Northern Pacific trains, due from the west coast with our heaviest deliveries, had been delayed by the storm and had not yet arrived. However, we had taken on extra loads from earlier trains that had missed their regular connections. Shortly after 8 a.m. our “drop” load arrived – and we were ready to take off. Our train was hardly ever held back, for we were geared to important connections in Chicago.

At 8:15 a.m. we felt our big road engines hook on, directly ahead, but we failed to hear the rattle of closing couplings and suspected that something was awry. We tried to peer out the windows, but they were completely frosted over. We were a world unto ourselves, in the center of an icy gale.

“Better sit down,” Ron Kiel cautioned. “We’re frozen to the rails.” The engineer had to jump the cars several times before breaking them loose. If we had tried to remain standing we would have been knocked to the floor.

We didn’t highball out of the yards as usual and our pace was greatly modified on the curving stretch down the river. Since we were up on the local mails, we sat down to cold sandwiches and hot coffee.

I noticed Kelly nodding over his food. He had been dumping and closing pouches since starting work, and he was bushed. “Take over for ***, will you, Tiny?” I asked giant Art Sederholm. To Kelly I said, “Take out the directs on Tiny’s case. He’ll work the residue later.”

Besides me Bill Pinette muttered, “In the old days we had wooden cars and iron men instead of iron cars and wooden men.” That joke too was an oldie.

[B)] Hmmmm ...is this interesting yet? [B)]


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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, June 5, 2006 10:07 PM
ENCORE ! ENCORE! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

A second part to this evenings encore,part 2 of the speacial CNR freights article also from page # 191

Rob


Here's another CN Steam recollection.

Classic CNR Steam # 10 CNR speacial Frights Part 2

Merriton Switcher

Niagara Falls - Merriton,later known as the Niagara Falls-Merriton Road switcher. Night assignment through 1952,became evening assignment during the first half of 1953. Normally ran as a caboose hop to Merriton.Switched cars off the NS&T transfer ( CN trains used front tracks of station. Thje NS&T passenger cars off the interurban district loaded behind the station and they owned the yard. Station was a standard GT type two located right in the Grimsby sub mainline,sane type as Museumm's rockwood statton. Merriton station burnt down in 1998).This train then lined up cars for road trains 464 and 461. After the last NS&T job arrived and the transfer was clear, the switcher switched out any set offs and placed them in the yard for the NS&T's specific customers. Untill spring of 1954, the switcher waited for an express car off #84,then helped 461 make a set off.Niagara Falls bound cars were put onto train 461 to allieviate the beed for a pilot on the switcher. Switcher followed 461 into Niagara Falls as a caboose hop. After the spring of 1954 the Merriton switcher began returning to the falls at midnight, powered by Consolidations until deisilization.

Pilot Assignments

Operated between Niagara Falls , Merriton , and Thorold. Typically a morning and afternoon assignment.Most often a heavy Mikado assigned to Niagara falls,but any available power laying over from other assignments could be used. This was a helper for the Thorold sub hill that climbed the escarpment by lock 7 of the Welland canal. 2-3.5% grade worst in S Ontario.

Toronto-St Catharines Fruit Extras

Less-than-carload express pickup train,operated in season.Engine several "blowers" and/pr express refridgerator cars and rider coach left Toronto in the morning.Empty cars were left at points along the Grimsby subdivision. Lifted carload traffic as well.Fruit was destined for Toronto and beyond. Normal power was a light Pacific through 1655 season. SW1200RS took over after1956 no coach at this point.

Hamiltin-St Catharines Fruit Extras

Operated Hamilton-Mimico via St Catharines during the peak fruit season,this train ran almost daily. Ordered for early afternoon out of Hamilton as a caboose hop,tender first! ( occationally empties were set off but not often )Proceeded to Jordan,St Catharines,or Merriton as ordered. Lifted loaded express refridgerator cars of fruit all the way to Winnona.Whenever possible,the dispatcher issued a work order for both tracks.Once off the Grimsby sub,train highballed to Mimico,with the exception of a stop at the canal on the Beach sub( Burlington Bay ). At Mimico, a new engine and caboose took over the train,which wasted little time in proceeding to Montreal.Usually powered by a light Pacific ( occationally a Mogul or Consolidation ) all engines assigned to Hamilton. Northerns or better took over at Mimico. Train was dieselized in 1958.

Enjoy Rob
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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, June 5, 2006 10:01 PM
Good evening Leon, your looking a tad board at the moment . Been a bit of a slow evening, least the hockey game has been entertaining.[tup][:D] Here's another Classic stream encore for everyone to mull over this evening.[^]

ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

This first appeared back on page # 191

Rob

CNR Classic Steam #9 Speacial Steam Frieghts on the Niagara Frontier

Thorrold Switchers

Niagara Falls to Thorold and return same day. Originally one morning assignment. Between sept 30,1945,and april 28, 1946 a second switcher was added. Both ran in the mornings,several hours appart. Circa oct 28 1957 this was cut to a single train during the navigation season. Main task was to serve the Ontario Paper company at lock 7 of the Welland Canal. train would also interchange traffic with the NS&T's electric frieght division in Thorold and Merriton.Heaveu Consolidation main locomotive of choice.


The St Thomas Way Freight

Circa april of 1940 , switching extras that left Fort Erie Tues, Thurs,& sat, for Jarvis and return.Re-classed as a way frieght in april of 1945.Frequency doubled and the territory was expanded to St Thomas so train began leaving Ft Erie M,W,Fri and leavung St Thomas Tues,thurs,& Sat. This assignment was handled by a 1600 series wabash class J2 Pacific. In the 50's 1951 on Wabash SW8's 122-127 handled this run.The train carried a CNR caboose and was jointly operated,CNR and Wabash alternated crewing this train every six months.Effective 1953 Wabash with drew their crews for the local swtiching on the St Thomas division in favour of all CNR crews. Served all local industries. CNR operated train with heavy consolidations until dieselized in 1957 wwith SW1200RS's and GP7's.

Welland way freight

Niagara Fall's to Welland way freight or switcher,returnung the same day. Became known as a way frieght in april of 1945. A joint CNR/Wabash service ( ie CN could handle the Wabash cars ), although this was infrequent as the line handled very little Waba***raffic. Main jop was to service the Cyanamid plant in Port Robinson. Train only operated as far as Port Robinson after 1959. Consolidations in the 2300/2400 series were the power of choice,dieselized after 1958 by SW1200RS's and GP7's.

Enjoy more later.

Rob








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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, June 5, 2006 4:51 PM
Good Afternoon Gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

CRI&P
PEORIA ROCKET
(September 19, 1937)
161 miles
By Al

The first of the Rock Island four car TA powered lightweight streamlined trains to enter service was the PEORIA ROCKET inaugurated September 19, 1937 between Chicago and Peoria on a twice daily round trip schedule. The PEORIA ROCKET began its first of two daily round trips from Peoria at 7:00 AM arriving in Chicago at 9:35 AM covering the 161 miles in 2 hours 35 minutes. The PEORIA ROCKET made scheduled stops at Bureau, La Salle, Ottawa, Morris, Joliet, and Englewood on its run between Peoria and Chicago. This became one of the longest duration ROCKETS on the Rock Island. This was the second of the TA powered trains to enter service. These Budd built cars were not of standard height but were able to be coupled to standard height lightweight or heavyweight cars and the diaphragms matched so that passengers were able to pass from car to car. The first three cars in the PEORIA ROCKET train set were articulated.

601 EMC TA 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

400 JOLIET Articulated Baggage Kitchen 40 Revenue seat Coach Dinette
306 OTTAWA Articulated 60 Revenue seat Coach
300 LA SALLE Articulated 76 Revenue seat Coach

450 PEORIA 36 seat Parlor 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room Lounge Observation

CRI&P
DES MOINES ROCKET
(September 25, 1937)
358 miles
by Al

On September 25, 1937 the Rock Island inaugurated the DES MOINES ROCKET between Des Moines, Iowa and Chicago round trip daily. The DES MOINES ROCKET route between Des Moines and Chicago was 358 miles with scheduled stops at Newton, Grinell, Marengo, Iowa City, West Liberty, Davenport, Rock Island, Moline, Bureau, La Salle, Ottawa, Joliet, and Englewood. In spite of the number of scheduled and conditional stops the DES MOINES ROCKET covered the distance in 6 hours each direction. The consist of the DES MOINES ROCKET was four cars with the first three articulated identical to the PEORIA ROCKET.

603 EMC TA 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

401 NORMAN JUDD Articulated Baggage Kitchen 32 seat Dinette Coach
307 GRENVILLE DODGE Articulated 60 Revenue seat Coach
301 HENRY FARNAM Articulated 76 Revenue seat Coach

451 L.M. ALLEN 36 Revenue seat Parlor 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room Lounge Observation

CRI&P
KANSAS CITY-MINNEAPOLIS ROCKET
(September 29, 1937)
493 miles
By Al

The Rock Island inaugurated the two three car TA powered ROCKET train sets between Kansas City and Minneapolis on September 29, 1937. The 493-mile route was scheduled for a running time of 8 hours 40 minutes in either direction for an average speed of 56 mph. The KANSAS CITY- MINNEAPOLIS ROCKETS made scheduled stops at Excelsior Springs, Trenton, Chariton, Des Moines, Iowa City, Mason City, Manly, Albert Lea, Owatonna, Faribault, and St. Paul.

604 EMC TA 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

404 ARROW HEAD Articulated Baggage Kitchen 32 Revenue seat Dinette Coach
304 CHIPPEWA Articulated 76 Revenue seat Coach

454 MINNESOTA 28 Revenue seat Coach Bar 24 seat Parlor Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

605 EMC TA 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

405 MESABI Articulated Baggage 32 seat Dinette Coach
305 IOWAY Articulated 76 Revenue seat Coach

455 MISSOURI 28 Revenue seat Coach Bar 24 seat Parlor Lounge Observation

CRI&P
DENVER - KANSAS CITY ROCKET
(October 18, 1937)
By Al


On October 18, 1937 the Rock Island inaugurated the last of the six ROCKETS powered by the EMC TA. This ROCKET ran between Kansas City and Denver westbound one day returning eastbound the next with no service provided on Wednesday’s. This route was the first to lose ROCKET service when the equipment was transferred to another ROCKET schedule after February 13, 1938. The Rock Island painted one of their Doodlebugs in full Rocket colors to provide a connection between Limon and Colorado Springs, Colorado with this ROCKET service.
Leaving Kansas City the train made scheduled or conditional stops at Topeka, McFarland, Manhattan, Clay Center, Belleville, Mankato, Smith Center, Phillipsburg, Norton, Colby, Goodland, Burlington, and Limon. It was originally intended to assign two three car ROCKETS to this route but instead the Rock Island inaugurated the TEXAS ROCKET to compete with the SUNBEAMS of the T&NO. In any event it is doubtful if the route would have been any more successful with two consists providing daily service in each direction. The Union Pacific owned the fastest and shortest route between Kansas City and Denver and although they had no streamliners assigned to the route at that time they did have some fine heavyweight trains on faster schedules then the Rock Island DENVER – KANSAS CITY ROCKET.

606 EMC TA 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

403 BEAR LAKE Articulated Baggage Kitchen 32 Revenue seat Dinette Coach
303 MT. EVANS Articulated 76 Revenue seat Coach

453 PIKES PEAK 28 Revenue seat Coach Bar 24 seat Parlor Lounge Observation

B&O
ROYAL BLUE
COLUMBIAN
(December 9, 1937)
By Al

The B&O placed another streamlined heavyweight ROYAL BLUE consist in service December 9, 1937 with the earlier streamlined heavyweight ROYAL BLUE consist being renamed the COLUMBIAN and both consists remained in Jersey City - Washington service. This gave the B&O two streamlined consists between Jersey City and Washington daily at a time when the rival PRR wasn’t offering a single streamliner between New York and Washington. The new train entered service just before the Christmas rush of 1937.

Unknown Presidential 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotive & Tender

1301 Baggage 36 Revenue seat Coach Combination

3521 68 Revenue seat Coach

3513 54 Revenue seat Coach

3514 54 Revenue seat Coach

3066 7-seat Lunch Counter 38 Revenue seat Coach

1076 44 seat Dining Car

2111 26 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room

3301 Buffet Lounge Solarium

Reading
CRUSADER
(December 13, 1937)
90 miles
by Al

The Reading inaugurated the CRUSADER December 13, 1937 a five car stainless steel consist from Budd with a round end Observation at each end of the streamliner. The CRUSADER operated between Jersey City and Philadelphia on a twice-daily round trip schedule. A pair of 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotive’s and Tenders were streamlined with fluted stainless steel panels to match the trailing Budd built consist. The Tenders were rebuilt so the rounded Observation seemed to provide a smooth transition between the tender and the rest of the trailing train set. The CRUSADER covered the ninety miles between Jersey City and Philadelphia in a flat 90 minutes for an average speed of 60-mph. Because the CRUSADER was double ended it did not require turning at terminals. The Reading simply turned the power and reversed the seats in the cars for the return trip to Philadelphia. The two locomotives 117 and 118 were based in Philadelphia with one completing the Philadelphia – Jersey City morning round trip and the other completing the afternoon round trip. A pair of EMD FP7As operating back to back in 1948 replaced the Reading 117 and 118 streamlined Pacific Steam Locomotives originally assigned to the CRUSADER and the steam locomotives minus their streamlining were assigned elsewhere.

118 4-6-2 Streamlined Pacific Locomotive & Tender

1 56 Revenue seat Coach Observation with 14 seat Smoking Lounge

2 56 Revenue seat Coach with 14 seat Smoking Lounge

3 32-seat Dining 22 seat Lounge Car

4 56 Revenue seat Coach with 14 seat Smoking Lounge

5 56 Revenue seat Coach Observation with 14 seat Smoking Lounge

TTFN Al

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