"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[LoveDomes]

Good Morning Cap'n Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

Somehow not seeing that gorgeous woman behind the bar . . . . oh, I digress! [swg]

How the heck are ya, Tom [?] [?] Good to see you back in your familiar spot and getting the place back into "routine!" As you've found, the guys really stepped up to the plate in your absence and maintained the momentum you had hoped for! [tup] [tup] [tup]

So, how was the Alaskan adventure [?] From the tid bit you've provided, my guess is that the two of you enjoyed it immensely. It is a wonderful place to see and the diversity is quite overwhelming - not to mention the 22 hours (or thereabouts) of daylight up where you were! [swg]

Back in my sailing days, I managed to put into several Alaskan ports and while time was rather limited, did get off the ship for some sightseeing. Love the place and wi***hat I could've traveled the Denali Star train up to Fairbanks as you have. Can't wait for the "report!" [tup]

So, our group has been enriched by one more, huh [?] Congrats to you wanshweel Mike - resident UrlMeisterMonster - and newest Reserved Stool member of the Order of the Stools! A smart choice by our esteemed Selection Committee and once again the element of surprise worked quite well! 5-[tup] Salute to you Sir! [tup] [tup] [tup] [tup] [tup]

That is quite a SUMMARY you put together! [wow] How long did that take you to compile [?] Gives quite a perspective to the posting times and guys who kept things going. Love the Comedy Corner - been there, said that! [swg] Nice job! [tup] [tup] [tup]

Nice Encore to begin the day. Always enjoy that bit about your parrot, Awk - he's quite the character, huh [?] [swg]

Speaking of baseball <grin> how about those Mets! [?] Home runs and winning baseball along with consistent pitching is working quite well for the Metropolitans of New York. [swg] I managed to get through the sports pages this AM and saw that your Cards really pulled one out, having been down 6-0 in the 2nd inning. So, keep the faith, mate - it ain't over 'til it's over! (Yogi-ism!) <grin>

I'll see what I can muster up for an Encore or two . . . but it will have to be a bit later on. Things to do, places to go and people to see - or something like that! <groan>

How about a Bloody Mary to start me off with a crunchy celery stick [?] [yeah] And, ring the bell, Boris a round of OJ, or whatever "works" for the guys when they trickle in.

I see Ted has made it in - good day to you, Sir! [tup]

Always helps to hit that "refresh/reload" capability Tom keeps reminding us of - and to stick around a bit AFTER posting!


Until the next time! [tup]

Lars

[Anonymous]

Welcome back Tom and Lady Tom, you must have experienced the de ja vu of all time in Alaska. What an inspiring first report of a rail venture that actually played out as it was planned. Let me propose a toast to Tom and Spouse for their safe return and congratulations on seeing a daunting rail venture through that few of us would risk taking.[tup] May I also toast Wanswheel Mike on his well earned appointment to "Permanent" Order of the Stools.[tup] It is a beautiful irony that from the duldrums of covering the lowest points of R.R.ing during the late 70's and early 80's; appearing from the wilderness comes such heartening news of truly "first-class" passenger service.[^] By gadfrey Tom, that really is the "Mother" of Summaries.[^] Here is another example of not missing something until it is gone. Anyhow, it is great to have "Our" Place back running on schedule once again. Juneau must be ecstatic as well.

Now that we are gathering our former strength, perhaps delving into new dimensions of topics is in order? Certainly, the "newest" of input will be forthcoming from our Proprietor and a much anticipated synopsis of his Alaska R.R. trek. Rob, Dave, CM3 surely kept me in awe of their descriptions on the most outlandish "grab bag" consists that bleak era of railroading had to offer.[:O] These past pages have been an excursion from the "ridiculous to the sublime" indeed. Lars, I can't think of better words than yours describing the "safe haven" afforded here at "Our" Place. Now, with proper regards sent and received, we can pull in the step stool, close the fold-up step/door and signal the engineer for our departure on to even better destinations than before.[^] It looks like a "high ball" all the way for some time to come. Speaking of "high ball", please make mine with C.R. and a twist Tom. Boris, if you will stop the spit shine on Tom's Denali Mucklucks, maybe we can get a drink around here.[:(!] Unril next time, happy rails to all.

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

G'day Gents!

Something to brighten up the start to our weekend!

First Posted on page 136, 13 Oct 2005:

A true story about Awk while staying at Cindy’s place.

Cindy’s dishwasher quit working so she called a repairman. Since she had to go to work the next day, she told the repairman, "I'll leave the key under the mat. Fix the dishwasher, leave the bill on the counter, and I'll mail you a check."

"Oh, by the way don't worry about my bulldog, Spike. He won't bother you. But, whatever you do, do NOT, under ANY circumstances, talk to my parrot!" "I REPEAT, DO NOT TALK TO MY PARROT!!!"

When the repairman arrived at Cindy’s apartment the following day, he discovered the biggest, meanest looking bulldog he has ever seen. But, just as she had said, the dog just lay there on the carpet watching the repairman go about his work.

The parrot, however, drove him nuts the whole time with his incessant yelling, cursing and name calling. Finally the repairman couldn't contain himself any longer and yelled,

"Shut up, you stupid, ugly bird!"

To which the parrot replied, "Get him, Spike!"

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

[siberianmo]

SATURDAY’s INFO & 11-Day SUMMARY of POSTS


We open at 6 AM. (All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Back again for the start of a weekend! C’mon in – enjoy a cup of freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee – a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from the Menu Board and of course one or two goodies from The Mentor Village Bakery!


Daily Wisdom


If I didn’t’ wake up, I’d still be sleeping.
ENCORE! Yogi-ism



Info for the Day:

* Weekly Calendar:


Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


MVP Award Winners

April 2006 . . . LoveDome Lars
May – June . . To be announced


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Comedy Corner


She told me we couldn't afford beer anymore and I'd have to quit.
Then I caught her spending $65.00 on make-up.
And I asked how come I had to give up stuff and she didn't.
She said she needed the make-up to look pretty for me.
I told her that was what the beer was for.
I don't think she's coming back !


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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre

Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

NOW SHOWING:

. . . Sunday, June 4th thru June 10th: The Great Escape (1963) starring: Steve McQueen, James Garner & Richard Attenborough –and- The Longest Day (1962) starring: 42 International Stars. SHORT: Pardon My Scotch (1935).

COMING ATTRACTIONS:

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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

Tuesday, May 30th:
(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 May 2006, 05:41:55 (344) Tuesday’s Info & 13-post Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 May 2006, 05:47:49 (344) ENCORE! RR from Yesteryear – C&O

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 30 May 2006, 06:37:57 (344) Theme: C&O streamlined coaches

(4) wanswheel Mike Posted: 30 May 2006, 10:13:39 (344) Theme: C& O URLs

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 30 May 2006, 12:03:52 (345) Theme: C&O streamlined observations

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 30 May 2006, 12:47:49 (345) Theme: C&O –and- L&N, etc.

(7) wanswheel Mike Posted: 30 May 2006, 13:39:48 (345) Theme: more URLs

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 30 May 2006, 14:36:43 (345) Inclusive Post

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 30 May 2006, 15:10:51 (345) Pilof Officer Andrew Mynarski, Victoria Cross recipient

(10) passengerfan Al Posted: 30 May 2006, 15:59:16 (345) Theme: C&O streamlined dining & lounge cars

(11) West Coast S Dave Posted: 30 May 2006, 17:13:04 (345) Left Coast report!

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 30 May 2006, 22:17:30 (345) Inclusive Post!

(13) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 30 May 2006, 22:27:54 (345) ENCORE! Classic Steam #19 – The Booze Line

Wednesday, May 31st
(1) passengerfan Al Posted: 31 May 2006, 07:35:52 (345) Streamlined Dining & Lounge cars of the U.S. & Canada

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 31 May 2006, 08:13:55 (345) Inclusive Gulf Coast report!

(3) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 31 May 2006, 08:56:46 (345) WVA report! ‘n Deep Thoughts!

(4) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 31 May 2006, 09:31:04 (345) Inclusive Post!

(5) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 31 May 2006, 09:41:20 (345) ENCORE! Classic Steam #14 – Southern St. Clair branch

(6) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 31 May 2006, 12:03:50 (345) ENCORE! Classic Steam #20 – BB&G

(7) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 31 May 2006, 12:12:27 (345) ENCORE! Jesse James (from barndad Doug)

(8) pwolfe Pete Posted: 31 May 2006, 16:13:28 (345) from Merry Olde!

(9) wanswheel Mike Posted: 31 May 2006, 19:34:27 (345) URLs – Andrew Mynarski, etc.

Thursday, June 1st
(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Jun 2006, 00:30:53 (345) Inclusive Post!

(2) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Jun 2006, 00:43:33 (345) ENCORE! Classic Steam #24 – Hamilton’s electric

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 01 Jun 2006, 07:10:09 (345) Inclusive Gulf Coast report!

(4) passengerfan Al Posted: 01 Jun 2006, 07:14:26 (346) UP M10000 City of Salina

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 01 Jun 2006, 08:24:58 (346) WVA report! ‘n Snakes!

(6) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Jun 2006, 10:45:36 (346) Inclusive Post!

(7) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Jun 2006, 11:06:08 (346) ENCORE! Classic Steam #24 Central Ontario Railway

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Jun 2006, 12:22:39 (346) ENCORE! Classic Juice #28 Brantford Street Railway

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Jun 2006, 15:18:25 (346) 5 Pix for Classic Juice #28

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Jun 2006, 15:28:34 (346) ENCORE! Classic Juice #25 Hamilton’s Radial, pt II

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Jun 2006, 15:49:14 (346) 2 Pix!

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Jun 2006, 16:21:55 (346) ENCORE! PC menu (from ftwNSengineer)

(13) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Jun 2006, 16:32:18 (346) ENCORE! Classic Juice #18 LE&N

(14) West Coast S Dave Posted: 01 Jun 2006, 18:50:24 (346) Left Coast report!

(15) wanswheel Mike Posted: 01 Jun 2006, 23:07:16 (346) Inclusive Post ‘n URLs!

Friday, June 2nd
(1) passengerfan Al Posted: 02 Jun 2006, 07:12:41 (346) CB&Q Twin Zephyrs

(2) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 02 Jun 2006, 08:41:48 (346) WVA report! ‘n ENCORE! the Comet

(3) wanswheel Mike Posted: 02 Jun 2006, 22:07:56 (346) B’day greeting ‘n URLs

Saturday, June 3rd
(1) passengerfan Al Posted: 03 Jun 2006, 06:29:40 (346) CN&W UP City of Portland

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 03 Jun 2006, 07:18:23 (346) Inclusive Gulf Coast report!

(3) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Jun 2006, 09:22:35 (347) A thought

(4) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Jun 2006, 09:30:21 (347) ENCORE! A Nick-Post

(5) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Jun 2006, 09:36:16 (347) ENCORE! Classic Juice #17 Grand River Railway

(6) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Jun 2006, 09:43:52 (347) ENCORE! Russian Decapods (from barndad Doug)

(7) passengerfan Al Posted: 03 Jun 2006, 09:48:01 (347) B’day greeting & CB&Q Mark Twain Zephyr

(8) West Coast S Dave Posted: 03 Jun 2006, 12:58:49 (347) ENCORE! Left coast style!

(9) wanswheel Mike Posted: 03 Jun 2006, 19:22:52 (347) URL-extravaganza!

(10) West Coast S Dave Posted: 03 Jun 2006, 20:02:02 (347) for wanswheel

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Jun 2006, 22:03:29 (347) Inclusive Post!

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Jun 2006, 22:17:00 (347) ENCORE! Classic Juice #27 WP’s electric

(13) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Jun 2006, 22:38:12 (347) ENCORE! A Nick-Post

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Jun 2006, 23:40:55 (347) 5 Pix!

Sunday, June 4th
(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 04 Jun 2006, 07:27:15 (347) 4 Pix!

(2) passengerfan Al Posted: 04 Jun 2006, 08:09:09 (347) M10004 & City of San Francisco

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 04 Jun 2006, 19:15:55 (347) Inclusive Gulf Coast report!

(4) rtraincollector Jerry Posted: 04 Jun 2006, 19:58:46 (347) huh[?]

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 04 Jun 2006, 20:22:03 (347) Northwoods Hiawatha

(6) wanswheel Mike Posted: 04 Jun 2006, 23:47:20 (347) URLs

Monday, June 5th
(1) passengerfan Al Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 06:49:47 (347) B&O Royal Blue

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 07:23:13 (347) Inclusive Gulf Coast report!

(3) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 08:57:35 (348) WVA report! ‘n ENCORE: Boston subway

(4) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 11:02:07 (348) Inclusive Post!

(5) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 11:11:01 (348) 6 Pix!

(6) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 11:26:57 (348) ENCORE! Classic Steam #7 Palmerston, Ontario

(7) passengerfan Al Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 16:51:40 (348) CRI&P Peoria Rocket

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 22:01:53 (348) ENCORE! Classic CNR Steam #9 Special steam freights

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 22:07:25 (348) ENCORE! Classic CNR Steam #10 Special steam, pt II

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 22:18:59 (348) ENCORE! Sorting on the Road (from barndad Doug)

Tuesday, June 6th
(1) wanswheel Mike Posted: 06 Jun 2006, 07:18:20 (348) URLs

(2) passengerfan Al Posted: 06 Jun 2006, 08:10:04 (348) City of Los Angeles

(3) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 06 Jun 2006, 09:45:58 (348) ENCORE! Schenectady’s Last Stand, etc.

(4) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 06 Jun 2006, 11:04:43 (348) Inclusive Post!

(5) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 06 Jun 2006, 11:14:20 (348) ENCORE! Classic CNR Steam #13 Forming of the CNR

(6) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 06 Jun 2006, 11:24:12 (348) ENCORE! Fallen Flag NH (from siberianmo)

(7) passengerfan Al Posted: 06 Jun 2006, 16:37:27 (348) NYC 20th Century Ltd

(8) West Coast S Dave Posted: 06 Jun 2006, 17:58:41 (348) The Sub Basement, etc.

(9) West Coast S Dave Posted: 06 Jun 2006, 19:24:41 (348) SP motive power

(10) wanswheel Mike Posted: 06 Jun 2006, 20:43:04 (348) URLs

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 06 Jun 2006, 23:14:12 (348) Inclusive Post!

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 06 Jun 2006, 23:24:37 (348) ENCORE! Classic Juice #11, pt I

(13) wanswheel Mike Posted: 06 Jun 2006, 23:27:39 (349) URLs

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 06 Jun 2006, 23:32:56 (349) ENCORE! The Alliston subdivision

Wednesday, June 7th
(1) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 07 Jun 2006, 07:15:00 (349) Inclusive Gulf Coast report!

(2) passengerfan Al Posted: 07 Jun 2006, 07:27:43 (349) Texas Rocket

(3) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 07 Jun 2006, 08:18:40 (349) WVA report!

(4) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 07 Jun 2006, 09:18:13 (349) Inclusive Post!

(5) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 07 Jun 2006, 12:35:09 (349) The return of the Larsman!

(6) passengerfan Al Posted: 07 Jun 2006, 15:00:20 (349) brief visit x2!

(7) West Coast S Dave Posted: 07 Jun 2006, 15:29:20 (349) Inclusive Post, left coast style!

(8) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 07 Jun 2006, 20:31:29 (349) belated B’day greetings, etc.

(9) wanswheel Mike Posted: 07 Jun 2006, 22:25:57 (349) URLs

Thursday, June 8th
(1) EricX2000 Eric Posted: 08 Jun 2006, 00:24:42 (349) brief visit

(2) wanswheel Mike Posted: 08 Jun 2006, 05:59:43 (349) URLs

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 08 Jun 2006, 06:52:04 (349) Inclusive Gulf Coast report!

(4) passengerfan Al Posted: 08 Jun 2006, 07:04:08 (349) Vulcan, etc.

(5) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 08 Jun 2006, 07:55:53 (349) Larsman report!

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 08 Jun 2006, 08:17:33 (349) Inclusive WVA report!

(7)trolleyboy Rob Posted: 08 Jun 2006, 09:52:23 (349) Inclusive report!

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 08 Jun 2006, 09:59:44 (349) ENCORE! Classic CNR Steam #4 – trains to Niagara Falls

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 08 Jun 2006, 10:07:47 (350) ENCORE! Classic Diesels #29 The Laggan sub

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 08 Jun 2006, 10:34:04 (350) ENCORE! Classic Steam #5 – B&T subdivisions

(11) West Coast S Dave Posted: 08 Jun 2006, 17:18:29 (350) Railfanning, cameras, etc.

(12) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 08 Jun 2006, 17:22:16 (350) Larsman report, part deux!

(13) barndad Doug Posted: 08 Jun 2006, 19:25:08 (350) The barndad returns!

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 08 Jun 2006, 22:14:45 (350) Inclusive Post!

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 08 Jun 2006, 22:28:14 (350) ENCORE! Classic Steam #17 S&H Railway

(16) wanswheel Mike Posted: 08 Jun 2006, 22:53:56 (350) URL

Friday, June 9th
(1) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 09 Jun 2006, 06:56:08 (350) Inclusive Gulf Coast report!

(2) passengerfan Al Posted: 09 Jun 2006, 07:53:49 (350) SP Daylight

(3) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 09 Jun 2006, 08:22:23 (350) WVA report!

(4) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 09 Jun 2006, 13:39:39 (350) Larsman report!

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Jun 2006, 15:18:51 (350) Newest Inductee – Order of the Stools!

(6) West Coast S Dave Posted: 09 Jun 2006, 15:56:25 (350) Inclusive Left Coast report!

(7) West Coast S Dave Posted: 09 Jun 2006, 18:04:15 (350) Congrats – welcome back, etc.

(8) passengerfan Al Posted: 09 Jun 2006, 20:02:16 (350) Welcome back, etc.

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Jun 2006, 20:51:07 (350) I’m baaaaaaaack!

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Jun 2006, 22:50:26 (350) Welcome back - Congrats ‘n Inclusive Post!

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Jun 2006, 23:10:11 (350) Inclusive Post, part deux!

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Jun 2006, 23:28:25 (350) ENCORE! Classic Diesels #18 – Diesel conversions. pt I




That’s it! [tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[trolleyboy]

ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Well an encore to start off saturday encore day with.This is brought back because of Ted and CM3 and dave reminding me of the various wierd and wonderfull things done to unsuspecting first gen locomotives in order to squeeze a few extra years out of them.

Rob

CLASSIC DIESELS # 18 DIESEL CONVERSIONS PT 1

Ever wonder what happens to diesel locomotives when they become to old and therfore expensive to rebuild ? In many cases they are scrapped, however allot of times the railroads find other uses for them and squeeze a few more years and a few more dollars out of them. I feel that the railroads are the first recyclers of the world.

Heater Cars

In the early yeasr of passenger trains, passenger cars were most often heated with individual stoves, a ready sorce of ignition and fires in the early days of railway operations.In the 1880's the stove began to slowley give way to steam heat piped straight from the locomotive. In 1890 the Milwaukee Road built a pair of electric-light-and-heat tenders for their Pioneer Limited, as the small 4-4-0's they used for power on the train didn't have enough steam capacity to heat the cars that way, and underframe generators wern't small of efficient enough at the time to electrically heat the cars independantly. The heat tenders carried small coal fired boilers inside and a steam driven dynamo to produce light and heat for the passenger cars.

The next railway to pick up on this was the Great Northern they had four heater cars built by the St Louis car Co in 1928. they were 40 feet long and looked like a short baggage car. These cars were used in the electrified terrotories and therefore drew their power from the electric locomotives thus they had no boiler. GN built a few more boxcar type versions in the 1940's with boilers finally replacing them in the early 60's with less manpower intensive semi-automated cars built from retired diesel locomotives

The first such cars were rebuilt from retired surplus F3B's and F9B's cars 10-19 which were equiped with steam generators for passenger trains. The prime mover was replaced by two 4500 p per hour steam geberators a 220v GM diesel generator to run them and a 12,000 gallon water tank. the cars were mu controllable and saw systrem wide use on passenger trains equiped with steam heat cars.

When Amtrak was formed they bought cars 10-15 ( renumbered amtrak 1910-1915 ).BN kept the others for their business train and speacial passenger runs though Amtrak often rented them these were all retired once Amtrak went to HEP heat on all their passenger trains.

VIA Rail also used similar built cars of CNR parentage these were custom built by MLW into an express reefer body however. CPR did convert three Cliner B units to mobile heater cars for use on the Dominion as well.

The only other major locomotive conversion was by the D&RGW for use on the ski train. They took an old Alco PB1 placed it on emd blomberg trucks and set up a sinmillayly equiped heater car to teh GN ones. They also used a converted locomotive tender as an auxillery steam heat car. Both were retired in 1988 when they purchased the electrically heated tempo train cars for this train from VIA rail.


Rob

[trolleyboy]

Hey Leon back again ring up another round on me will you please.My brain just not firing on all cylynders tonight I forgot a couple of people.

Mike Thanks for that Palmerston link. My Greatgrandead was from jolly old originally but he did work his entire CN carreer as a sectionman working out of Palmerston,so thank-you for remembering and digging out that info sir [tup]

Al What can I say another fine streamliner reprise and yet another reason as to why this plac eis such a speacial spot on the forums.

Lars I;m galdthat it sounds like your legal problems are solved. Here's hoping that your family problems can be cured as well. I have found that "Our Place" is a good spot to forget about the heavy stuff, at least for the time that you are on board at any rate. This is an important piece of the internet. Thanks Tom [tup]

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Well good evening Leon, I see that you ahev had a fairly full house this evening [tup] You will get paid this week afterall [swg][:-^]

First off [#welcome] home Tom [yeah][:D] I was starting to run out of material, it has been a wonderfull week around here, I'm glad that we were able to pull it off for you. take that to all the naysayers who wished gloom and doom upon this fine establishment. i shall await with baited breath the pregnant "mother of all summeries" that will be heading towards us tomorrow. At least unpack first and take Sir Juneau on several walks [tup]

mike Congradulations sir,nice to have another stool for Boris to keep spit polished around here.yours will have a built in keyboard and monitor for url lookup [swg]

Dave I'm glad that you popped by again as well. Always nice to hear about the monster loco consists which couldn't or could depending on the terrain and train size.The worst I saw was a mixed CP train heading up the Niagara escarpment into Hamilton.A C424 leading which was faded to pink two RS18's so black with Alco soot as to make them almost unrecognizable. A chopnosed RS2 in the action red ( these were generally humpyard units at this point ) and the piece de la resistance a TH&B NW2 and two of their HH GP7's all tenaciusly dragging over 100 mixed cars up the 2% grade.Talk about a fore and brimstone train. the RS2 and the TH&B Geeps were almost on death's door at this point ( 1979 or 80 )

Holy smoke 10 megapixles ! That's enough to photo a space shuttle in orbit isn't it [?]

CM3 That oddball consist out runs my by a country mile. It is amazing what railroads will cobble together when the needs arrise. The 70's and 80's definatly were the high times for the oddball consists. Everything nowadays is boring sam o same o SD what evers and GE-50,000's out the wazzoo. Give me the good old stuff anyday to today's fare.

Ted I'm game for whatever welcome home party that you think will work. Just give me enough warning to bring the H&H trunk fashion show into town for their "big reveal " [:O]

Rob

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

Thanx a bunch Cindy and Leon for taking on the extra duty 'round the joint while I was away. Really appreciate all the help! [tup]

Been checking the Posts and it surely looks like most days were 'business as usual' - there were a couple of lean times, but given the numbers, it's indeed gratifying to know how many of you give a Rat's Patoot about this place! [tup]

I'll be putting together my thoughts on our Rail Adventure, but let me simply say it was most enjoyable. The Alaska Railroad (ARR) didn't let us down and everything went off without so much as a bump. Really a terrific experience with some stunning scenery. I will just tease you with this: we were booked in Gold Star service which gave us exclusive reserved seating in the upper deck dome portion of the car behind the baggage car. Below was our exclusive dining area - full service with extremely reasonable prices (for Alaska) for the wonderfully prepared meals. Nothing to gripe about whatsoever. [swg]

It's good to be back and of couse Juneau "votes" against us EVER doing that to him again! [tdn] [:O]

Happy to know that Lars 'n Doug have returned to the "fold" and that Eric may stop by a bit more frequently. Undoubtedly this place wasn't quite the same without barndad Doug and those <ah-hem> jokes! [swg] Not having Lars around as a regular surely didn't help matters either. Hope you two remain on board for weeks to come! [tup]

Tomorrow's Summary will be the Mother of All Summaries! [swg] Consider it as my way of thanking each 'n every one who stuck through this portion of our drought. [tup] [tup] [tup]

A special THANX to trolleyboy Rob for the efforts in keeping "Our" Place at the top of the Forum page! [tup] I haven't counted, but it surely appears that you pretty much "own" the numbers game as of late! Those ENCORES! kept the momentum going forward along with your Inclusive Posts! There's no question regarding your enthusiasm for this cyber bar 'n grill and it's gratifying to have you as our "clean up" batter! [tup] [tup] [tup]

Can't forget passengerfan Al and the wealth of great streamliner info that pours out from those hyper-active 20 Fingers! [tup] [tup] [tup] Also want to make a special mention of your contributions over on "my other Thread!" THANX, Al [tup]

Also, nice to see that West Coast S Dave seems to have found his way back to the bar on a regular basis. The "left coast approach" is enlightening, if not a bit puzzling from time to time! [swg] Yeah, I know - time zone differences will do it every time, eh [?]

I didn't intend this to turn into a running narrative of platitudes - but it surely looks that way, doesn't it [?] [swg]

As always, our resident URLMeisterMonster kept the fires burning with those scores of on-point avenues to the visual. Well, done! And of course, a hearty congrats to you for being selected into our Order of the Stools! [tup] [tup] [tup]

Appreciation extended to CM3 regularlity of the Monday-Friday Posts - to Ted for the Inclusive Gulf Coast reports and to Pete for checking in from Merry Olde!

Okay, Gents - time for me to attend to other matters. Can't bear to watch my Cardinals lose another game. What in the world happened to them in my absence [?] Hmmmmmmm, evil spirits at work. <grin> Whoa - hold it! The Birds were down 6-zip to the Brewers - it is now 8-6 in favor of my Red Birds! Only the 4th inning . . . .

Catch y'all in the morning for ENCORE! Saturday

Boris Ring the bell and Leon give 'em all an Alaskan portion of whatever they desire! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Nice to hear your back Tom. Expect we should give you time to unpack your bags before we can expect you to catch up on your forum. Guess i'll have a CR and a round for the house.

Can't wait to hear about your great Alaska Adventure. Particularly the ARR.

TTFN Al

[West Coast S]

I see i'm not alone[:D][8] I see master Tom is once again in our humbled midst..welcome back, so where is the juicy details of your latest adventure, the "Our place" awaits with bated breath. [^][^][^] CONGRATS MIKE TO THE ORDER, IT IS A PROUND GROUP YOU FIND YOURSELF UPON[^][^]

Let's discusss that taboo topic: The photo line ediquette enforcer

You now the type, you have the perfect spot, your shot is set up, lighting is perfect, camera settings correct/exposure dead on, you are ready for the runby and a cry arises from behind you: If you've been subject to this, enjoy the following.


Photo Line ediquette enforcer- A self appointed bufoon who demands instant command over all other photo line particpants, justice will be sure and swift for those who may stray into his viewfinder. Try as one might, no soil you choose will satisfy him, you will always be in the wrong location at the wrong time for the perfect photo he is never able to attain. Without regard to others present, course language is used to convey his displeasure, sometimes the use of unwarranted gestures and threats of bodily harm will be a physical symbol of his seething anger and indignation at the slightest precieved provacation to his challenge of self-apointed authority. In the end, all within his kingdom, will have to bow to his demands, surrender and retreat like two Yak's during mating season in the presence of a solitary female, one must seek other ground at this Lordships approval of course, provided the self
anoited ruler does wi***o claim it as his own. For all but the tempramental whims of the indvidule who will attempt to destroy the railfanning experience for the many..

I know, a bit off the norm, you may precieve that I speak from experience, as the they say, been there, done that

Ta-Da

Dave[8D]

[West Coast S]

Left coast checking in, afternoon, CM3, AL, Lovedomes, Mike, Rob and special to do to our long awaited master of humorous enlightment : Barndad

Some replies are in order, with all the gratis rounds floating about, set me up please

CM3:
I choose not to get out anymore on a regular basis , modern dash who cares and double stacks just don't cut it, now a adventure to a museum or a rare excursion, that will get me fired up. You have far more insight then I had in not failing to capture to ordinary. Guess that's why SP motive power and rolling stock annuals can be had in color!!


Rob:
I gave up anything Kodak, I still use my trusty 25 year old Cannon AE1 but Fuji is my film choice, I too am considering going digital, the PX has great pricing and no tax to boot! I don't think i'll need anything over ten megapixals! Of couse, with this much pixals one could shoot pictures during the total eclipse of the sun!!

Ted:
The mennace of Colton did not go quietly into the night, I heard several weeks later, that while trackside, he stripped ala natural and made a quite a scene trackside by his choice of language and gestures. Of course I was off this jerk for life, but man, what a scene that must have been!!! The lesson to all this was, I gotta find a better class of people to hang out with!!

Returning to bizarre encounters (my wife excluded!) brings this memory back: I had the oppertunity to observe a southbound lumber drag out of Redding, i'd say 1989 or so, power was a bedraggled SD45 worn to the primer and missing several hood doors, cardboard patches over some of the cab glass and mismatched numberboards, a single SD9 and two MP15DC switchers under power and last but not least a
BN C30-7. What a racket and soot field cloud they were raising, i'd guess they were probably shy about 3000hp for the size train they were entrusted with.

Two things made this observation unusual, The MD15DC switchers were at that time assigned to Houston, this was the only time I observed any of the class out west, second, a SD9 in mainline service on the Shasta Route at this late date was unheard of. True, other models of the vast MP15 fleet did get road duty in the immediate bay area, but never this far north in road service.

This was the period of the recovery when all power regardless of age or cosmetic condition or traditional operating bases that could be begged, borrowed or leased was pressed into mainline service. Truly some unusual sights trackside, a torrent of BN/UP GE power, fleets of Cotton Belt GP60's and B23Q U boats reassigned from the sunset Route, the alphabet of UP,CSX,RG,Conrail, CP/CN ,WS, NS and even leased short line power. If any manfacture or builder had available units for lease, those too were aquired to deal with the unexpected upsurge in traffic.

Well, lunch is about over, i'll try to get back later

Dave

[siberianmo]

<bonk> <boInk> <bonk> (What kinda gavel is this [?])

Oye, Oye – All Rise for the Order of the Stools Selection Committee

We are rized ….

Quiet!

Who let that parrot in here [?]

Right!

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

You may be seated!

The Selection Committee of the Order of the Stools announces the findings of their Quarterly meeting.

Be it known from this day forth that wanswheel Mike a customer of ”Our” Place has been awarded a Reserved Stool, in the Order of the Stools of the bar known as ”Our” Place! Mike’s regular and unique participation at the bar has earned him this most special recognition and it is with great cheer that we welcome you to the Order of the Stools!


Congratulations to you, Mike! [tup][tup][tup]



The next meeting of the Committee will be quarterly with no date determined.

This session is now concluded.

<bonk> <boRnk <bonk> (We gotta do better than this!)

All Rise as the Selection Committee departs.

We are still rized …

Confound it! (Is THAT an Armadillo I see over there[?])

Awk, Awk, Awk

Quiet!

Drinks on the house! Boris ring the bell, twice! [tup][tup][tup]

Tom, Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[LoveDomes]

G'day Cindy and fellow travelers at the bar!

A bit of a slow day, huh [?] Well, here's a ten spot for the next round and I'll have a frosty mug of Blatz along with one of my "traditional" hero sandwiches. Oh, you aren't aware of what I prefer in sandwiches [?] Ok - a foot long hard roll, ham, Swiss, buttAH & mustAHD with a couple of large pickles from the barrel. That should hold me for awhile! [swg]

Good to see the return of the clan with a visit from barndad Doug - now that is encouraging! [tup] In browsing these pages since my last post on May 18th, it surely was evident that something was missing without those great inputs from Doug and the oh so awful jokes! [swg] Have one on me, mate! [tup]

For what it's worth, here's my [2c] regarding a 'thing" for the return of our leader, Cap'n Tom - I'm in! So whatever it is that we decide to do - perhaps we need to get some e-mails exchanged in order to better coordinate the festivities. Good idea, Ted [tup]

Appreciate the 'support' guys, however, when I'm logged on and engaged in these exchanges, my mind is here and not at all dwelling on the things in life out there just waiting to yank my chain! [swg] We've gotten ourselves a good attorney (if there is such an entity!) along with evidence that we paid to have our property cared for, etc. We're on solid ground and really not as concerned about the outcome as when the news first was dropped in our laps. On the other situation, God will oversee what is to happen - it's totally out of our hands other than prayer and the hope that our family member isn't suffering. Enough . . . . thanks again.

Sure miss seeing the daily blurb from Tom and I for one like those Summaries, etc. Hope we get back to the routine pretty soon as my small talk is getting a bit on the thin side . . . .

One more Cindy as I chew my way through this great hero sandwich!

How about those Mets!! [?]


Until the next time!


Lars

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present: coffee, please; round for the house, and $ for the jukebox.

Dave – An interesting tale abt. your encounters with the SP. I don’t do as much rail watching as I used to, largely because of family and job obligations. However, I usually went either by myself or with one other person, which kind of cut down on possible problems. I really used to dread the days when they had steam here on the New River trains because people from all over who were not familiar with the population, and the local fauna would invade the territory. It was amazing to watch them climb on signals, ascend cars, etc. well, enough of that.

You made a really valid point about ignoring the commonplace. You can find all sorts of pictures of exotic locomotives, etc. on different lines. I tried to shoot common locomotives wherever I was, along with as many different pieces of freight and passenger equipment that I could find. It’s all gone now. I know that Tom gets excited when the ‘worms” are mentioned, but even the PC had its own “style. They were especially interesting to those of us who wanted to know where the !@#$ did that come from, and how did it get here. One that sticks in my mind was photographing PC C636s at Beacon Park.

Now, let me give you an example of a bizarre consist. There was/is a coal-fired power plant in Bow, New Hampshire which was served by the Boston and Maine; now Guilford. The coal for the plant came from Consol mines in WV. Coal trains were not that common in New England, so we would try and find when it was running. One consist that I well remember shooting was a PC RS32 (IIRC), B&M F7B/ B&MGP7/ B&M GP9. Cars were all Consol gons.

Lars – Hang in there.

Well, I’d better get out of here.

Work safe

[passengerfan]

Good Morning gang nice to see the growing attendance. Guess summer does things like that . Time for a Crumpet and a cup of coffee.


SP
DAYLIGHT
(January 5, 1940)
470 miles
By Al

On January 5, 1940 the Southern Pacific Railroad inaugurated two all new fourteen car DAYLIGHT trains to travelers between San Francisco and Los Angeles. Lima Locomotive Works GS-3 class 4-8-4 Northern Locomotives with Tenders painted in full Daylight colors powered the new DAYLIGHT trains. These were the first DAYLIGHT engines to have the Mars light up front. These were larger engines than previous class GS-2 and rode on 80” drivers compared to the earlier 77” drivers of the locomotives assigned to the 1937 DAYLIGHTS. The passenger carrying cars of the new DAYLIGHTS were the first cars in the world equipped with Baggage Elevators to lift the passengers carry on luggage from train side into their car. This prevented congestion in the vestibules when boarding and disembarking no longer did passengers have to struggle through doorways with their luggage and up and down the boarding stairs. The new articulated coaches seated 46 passengers in each half with the rest rooms located at the articulation end. Each articulated coach half provided four seats less than the previous DAYLIGHT articulated seating permitting more space between seats for additional passenger legroom. The Southern Pacific Railroad introduced the first of there famous Triple Unit articulated Coffee Shop-Kitchen-Dining Room combinations with these new DAYLIGHTS. These triple unit combination cars would become synonymous with the Southern Pacific.

4428 Streamlined GS-3 class 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender

3302 Baggage News Stand 44 Revenue seat Coach

2442 Articulated 46 Revenue seat Coach
2441 Articulated 46 Revenue seat Coach

2444 Articulated 46 Revenue seat Coach
2443 Articulated 46 Revenue seat Coach

10252 Articulated 80 seat Coffee Shop Car
10251 Articulated Kitchen Car
10250 Articulated 72 seat Dining Room Car

2446 Articulated 46 Revenue seat Coach
2445 Articulated 46 Revenue seat Coach

2439 44 Revenue seat Coach

10314 68 seat Tavern Lounge Car

3002 27 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room

2952 22 Revenue seat Parlor 19 seat Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

4428 Streamlined GS-3 class 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender

3303 Baggage News Stand 44 Revenue seat Coach

2448 Articulated 46 Revenue seat Coach
2447 Articulated 46 Revenue seat Coach

2450 Articulated 46 revenue seat Coach
2449 Articulated 46 Revenue seat Coach

10255 Articulated 80 seat Coffee Shop Car
10254 Articulated Kitchen Car
10253 Articulated 72 seat Dining Room Car

2452 Articulated 46 Revenue seat Coach
2451 Articulated 46 Revenue seat Coach

2440 44 Revenue seat Coach

10315 68 seat Tavern Lounge Car

3003 27 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room

2953 22 Revenue seat Parlor 19 seat Lounge Observation

MP
EAGLE
Later
MISSOURI RIVER EAGLE
(March 10, 1940)
478 miles
by Al

On Sunday March 10, 1940 the Missouri Pacific inaugurated their first pair of streamlined trains the EAGLE between St. Louis - Kansas City – Omaha each way daily. A connecting service was provided between Union, Nebraska and the state capitol at Lincoln. The new six car lightweight streamlined trains were powered with a EMC E3A 2,000 hp Diesel passenger unit. The new EAGLE was painted in light Blue and Cream with the EAGLE in flight across the diesels nose in chrome. Almost from the beginning the Missouri Pacific realized they had two trains in one, they had the one train that operated between St. Louis and Kansas City and a second train between Kansas City – Omaha-Lincoln. The reason was quite simply there were few passengers that rode the train as a through train between St. Louis and Omaha. A year after the EAGLE entered service it was renamed the MISSOURI RIVER EAGLE when MP management decided to name all MP streamliners using the EAGLE suffix. The two lightweight streamlined consists for this first pair of EAGLE trains were constructed by American Car & Foundry in there St. Charles shop located outside St. Louis. These EAGLES would have the distinction of being the only streamliners on the MP to have streamlined Observations bringing up the markers.

7000 EMC E3A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

700 Baggage Car

710 30’ Railway Post Office Baggage Car

720 76 Revenue seat Coach

730 56 Revenue seat Coach

740 24-seat Dining 20 seat Lounge Car

750 2 Revenue seat Parlor 5 seat Parlor Stateroom 6 seat Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

7001 EMC E3A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

701 Baggage Car

711 30’ Railway Post Office Baggage car

721 76 Revenue seat Coach

731 56 Revenue seat Coach

741 24-seat Dining 20 seat Lounge Car

751 26 Revenue seat Parlor 5 seat Parlor Stateroom 6 seat Lounge Observation


SP
NOON DAYLIGHT
(March 30, 1940)
470 miles
by Al

On March 30, 1940 the Southern Pacific Railroad inaugurated a second DAYLIGHT between Los Angeles and San Francisco daily using the same coastline route. The fourteen car DAYLIGHT train sets that had recently entered service on January 5, 1940 became the new MORNING DAYLIGHTS on March 30, 1940. The equipment for the new fourteen car NOON DAYLIGHT train sets was basically the 1937 train sets with several new cars added. Coach capacity of the NOON DAYLIGHT was 444 passengers and MORNING DAY-LIGHT Coach capacity was 364 passengers. Parlor Car seating for the NOON DAYLIGHT train sets was for 57 passengers and the MORNING DAYLIGHTS Parlor car seating was for 54 passengers. About the only thing missing from the NOON DAYLIGHT train sets was a triple unit articulated Coffee Shop-Kitchen- Dining Room combination. The NOON DAYLIGHTS popularity would equal the MORNING DAYLIGHTS, as this was the era before the airlines became popular between Los Angeles and San Francisco. The NOON DAYLIGHT would be discontinued for the duration of WW II by government edict.

4426 Streamlined GS-3 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender

3300 Baggage News Stand 44 Revenue seat Coach

2402 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
2403 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

2404 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
2405 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

2406 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
2407 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

10400 56 seat Coffee Shop Car

10200 40 seat Dining Car

2454 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
2453 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

10312 68 seat Tavern Lounge Car

3000 29 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Stateroom

2950 23 Revenue seat Parlor 19 seat Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

4427 Streamlined GS-3 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender

3301 Baggage News Stand 44 Revenue seat Coach

2408 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
2409 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

2410 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
2411 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

2412 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
2413 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

10401 56 seat Coffee Shop Car

10201 40 seat Dining Car

2456 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
2455 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

10313 68 seat Tavern Lounge Car

3001 29 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Stateroom

2951 23 Revenue seat Parlor 19 seat Lounge Observation

CB&Q
AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR
(April 11, 1940)
551 miles
by Al

The Burlington introduced a new ZEPHYR on April 11, 1940 between Lincoln – Omaha and Chicago overnight in each direction. This was one of the strangest ZEPHYRS at the time of its introduction to service. First the AK-SAR-BEN name was Nebraska spelled backward but was also the name of an Omaha based Civic Club. In the second place the train although called a ZEPHYR was certainly not a lightweight streamliner. The sleeping cars assigned to the AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR were heavyweights while the Dining cars was initially a Budd built 48 seat Dining car replaced by a Budd built Dining Parlor Observations in June, 1940. Since the train was an overnight operation the Parlor seating was used as a lounge as was the dining section after Dinner. For Coach passengers the AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR operated with newly built Budd lightweight-streamlined 52 revenue seat Coaches. The head end cars were heavyweights and for power the CB&Q assigned new EMD E5A Units or the older Shovelnose units built for the TWIN ZEPHYRS and DENVER ZEPHYRS after the CB&Q assigned EMD E5A and B units to those trains. The AK-SAR-BEN would be fully streamlined in 1950 except for head end cars but the 1950 train would be one of the finest in the Midwest.

CB&Q
SILVER STREAK ZEPHYR
(April 15, 1940)
250 miles
by Al

On April 15, 1940 the Burlington inaugurated the SILVER STREAK ZEPHYR operating a Lincoln-Omaha-St. Joseph-Kansas City round trip daily. The new train was named SILVER STREAK ZEPHYR for the train portrayed in the Paramount Motion Picture SILVER STREAK, with the staring role by the PIONEER ZEPHYR.
The CB&Q liked the name and assigned it to the new ZEPHYR. This was the second ZEPHYR assigned to this route as the PIONEER ZEPHYR had operated in this service for some time and had actually outgrown it, when it generated more traffic than it was able to handle.
For power the new five car lightweight streamliner was assigned a new EMD E5A unit developing 2,000 hp. Passengers were obviously pleased with the new SILVER STREAK ZEPHYR as rider ship showed a marked increase within days of the new trains entry into service. As with the earlier GENERAL PERSHING ZEPHYR and AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR the new SILVER STREAK ZEPHYR no longer operated with articulated train sets or for that matter even articulated cars. The Burlington’s days of ordering articulated equipment were over and no further cars of this type would even be contemplated.

9909 SILVER BULLET EMC E5A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

900 SILVER LIGHT Baggage Car

1600 SILVER SHEEN Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

4703 SILVER GLEAM 52 Revenue seat Coach

4704 SILVER GLOW 52 Revenue seat Coach

300 SILVER SPIRIT 24 seat Dining 22 Revenue seat Parlor Observation

LV
BLACK DIAMOND
(April 20, 1940)
by Al

The closest the Lehigh Valley railroad ever came to having any fully streamlined trains were the BLACK DIAMOND trains of April 20, 1940. For the new trains two consists the Railroad streamlined three of there newest 4-6-2 Locomotives and Tenders 2089, 2093, and 2097 in their Sayre Shops into extremely fine looking streamlined engines to the design supplied by Otto Kuhler. Head end cars were heavyweights and the coaches were new lightweight streamlined cars from Pullman Standards old Osgood Bradley plant. These coaches resembled the American Flyer cars produced in this plant except the Lehigh Valley cars had squared off car ends and Roofs. The Dining cars were heavyweights modernized in the Lehigh Valley Railroads own Sayre, Penn. Shops. The two Parlor cars were also modernized as well complete with skirting on cars BLACK DIAMOND and WHITE DIAMOND. The new trains were painted in the new Black with Cornell Red scheme with White separation stripes. The new BLACK DIAMOND trains replaced older all heavyweight trains on the Buffalo – New York City route by the same name. Exact numbers of equipment varied from day to day.

C&NW-UP-SP-PULLMAN
TREASURE ISLAND SPECIAL
(May 22, 1939 – September 25, 1939)
(June 22, 1940 – September 16, 1940)
2,260 miles
by Al

The TREASURE ISLAND SPECIAL was an all Pullman seasonal train operated for the two summers the Golden Gate Exposition was held on Treasure Island in San Francisco Bay. This Pullman train was a heavyweight its first year of operation except for the Sleeper Lounge Observation GEORGE M. PULLMAN that all Aluminum lightweight experimental car of 1933. This was the only car to serve in both the 1939 and 1940 train sets of the TREASURE ISLAND SPECIAL between Chicago and Oakland Pier by way of the C&NW – UP – SP Overland route. The second year Pullman assigned newly built lightweight streamlined all room sleeping cars to the train with the C&NW supplying the first two cars a modernized heavy-weight Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Car, and modernized heavyweight 36 seat Dining Car. Both of these cars were painted in the two-tone gray scheme with Aluminum stripes and lettering to match the cars from Pullman. The TREASURE ISLAND SPECIAL its second season of operation became the first all room streamlined train in service west of the Mississippi River. For power the C&NW assigned one of the railroads new streamlined Hudson Locomotive and Tenders between Chicago and Omaha. The Union Pacific generally assigned one of their 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotives between Omaha and Cheyenne and a 4-8-2 Mountain Locomotive between Cheyenne and Ogden. The SP assigned any available Mountain for the run from Ogden to Oakland pier for the nine car trailing train.

The 1939 heavyweight Pullman owned consist is listed below.
LONG ISLAND Heavyweight Baggage 12-Crew Dormitory Club Car

GLEN FARM Heavyweight 6-Compartment 3-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

GLEN ARDEN Heavyweight 6-Compartment 3-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

POPULAR CASTLE Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

6934 (C&NW) Heavyweight 36-seat Dining Car

POPULAR CITY Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

POPULAR CREEK Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

MILANO Heavyweight 10-Section 1-Drawing Room 2-Compartment Sleeping Car

GEORGE M. PULLMAN 3-Double Bedroom 1-Compartment 1-Drawing Room Buffet 26-seat Lounge Observation


The following is the summer 1940 train listing.

Unknown Power

9301 C&NW Heavyweight Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Car

6933 C&NW Heavyweight 36 seat Dining Car

IMPERIAL BANNER 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL CLIPPER 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE BANKS 10 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE BASIN 10 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE BLUFF 10 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE BOULDERS 10 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

GEORGE M. PULLMAN 3 Double Bedroom 1 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Buffet 26 seat Lounge Observation

TTFN Al

[Anonymous]

"It's alive, it's alive" (Dr. Frankenstein to Igor, Flick circa 1930's). Hey, welcome home Doug, please join Lars and Eric in a O.J. salutation to this "home coming" event. Cindy, I will also raise my tumbler in toast but make mine a Gilby's Gin and tonic.[^] Yes, a "bracer" before pounding the pavement this T.G.I.F. Rob, I thought I would check to see if anything is planned for Cap'n and Mrs. Tom's arrival? Al thankfully, has again stated: "*** the torpedoes, full speed ahead."[tup] Rob the Encores just keep rockin' and rollin' in and WOW, are they good.[:D] I don't want to forget CM3 and his stedfast support of fine memorabilia and tasteful posts throughout the "drought, 2006."[tup] x 1000. Can everyone appreciate the depth of resources "Our" Place archives have amassed in one short year and 2 months? It's just incredible!!! Sooo, how 'bout a big "hand" and many "atta boys" for the Founder that got this whole concept going? Hopefully, we will be hearing Tom's familiar ring of the bell very soon.

Dave managed to bring all of us "back to reality" with his report from the Coast. We know there are fans and then, there are zealots. Every group has that regrettable element that must "go over the top" to bring embarassment and shame to themselves and others.[V] We have seen that "element" pop in here from time to time, haven't we? Any rate, the original thought on what goulish consists were to be found scattered about the "48" during the 1970's to...still beckons for input. As I recall Cm3 gave this "thought" a jump start several pages ago. Perhaps others may recall some fairly grotesque "lash ups" which are still to be found "out there" even now? In my "mind's eye," there are recollections of cross breeding power units and passenger cars (Amtrak transition) along the Santa Fe and Frisco mainlines during the 1980's. It would be difficult to say which was the most bazaar.

Again, welcome back gents. Right Boris, give us a peal...Egad...Put 'em on, put 'em on. Happy rails all.

[wanswheel]

Rob, iirc, your great-grandfather was from around there
Canadian National 5548 at Palmerston
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=899992942&id=55

[trolleyboy]

ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

One final encore for today,another classic from the classic steam locker. This one not so far in te past as it first popped up on page 279.

Enjoy Rob[;)]


CLASSIC STEAM # 17 The Stratford and Huron Railway

The Stratford & Huron RY : Stratford to Wiarton

In the heyday of railway building ( 1870's ) communities accross Ontario all dreamed of becomming major railway towns. The town of Stratford though far from any ports was no exception. As early as 1850, the Stratford business community began to lobby for a rail link from their town to Southampton on Lake Huron. This along with proposals for the Port Dover & Lake Huron RY which would connect with the Lake Erie & Northern, could put Stratford on a busy portage railway.

However the reality was that funds could not be found so the project was delayed. In 1877 construction began in earnest of the SHR between Stratford and Listowel, a mill town on the Maitland river a few miles North. By this time Southampton had fallen firmly into the griop of the rival Wellington Grey and Bruce RY , operated by the Great Western,so the terminus for the SHR was changed to the more northerly town of Wiarton.

There was talk of contiuing the line form Wiarton and up into the barren Bruce Peninsula to Tobermory, with a link to Manitoulan Island. This plan fell through.

Continuing financial troubles on the SHR forced the builders to apeal to the Grand Trunk ( Great Western's main rival ) for funds in 1880. In taking over the railway, the GT forced the SHR to build a branch into Palmerston, then a budding railway jct. At the same time teh name was changed to the Grand Trunk Georgian Bay & Lake Erie Ry, to reflect the other lines the GT had assumed as well. Under the new mgmt. , track laying continued and in july of 1882 the new line opened.

In 1882 the Great Western and the GT amalgamated , and the network of lines emanating from Palmerston all came under the same ownership. Almost immediatly, a new more direct link was built from Palmerston to Listowel, and this short section of the original line was abandoned. Then in 1891 , a branchline was built from Park Head into Owen Sound to a terminus immediatly opposite that occupied by the Toronto Grey and Bruce RY, CP's link to Georgian Bay. As the SHR already had a terminus on Georgian Bay, this new branch was built to serve the Shallow Lake Cement plant. Here the chalky deposits on the floor of Shallow Lake proved ideal for the manufacture of cement.

As with most early railways, the first stations were simple designs. Typical buildings on the SHR were squat wide buildings, with a bay window at one corner ( if at all ). Around the turn of the century, the GT upgraded many of it's lines and replaced the earlier depots with more solid structures. Most along the SHR ended up with Towers,high Dutch gabbled bay windows,and steeply pitched hip gable roofs.The stations at Chesley and wiarton recieved rounded waiting rooms with a "witches hat" roof built ontto one end of the building.

In the CN years Stratford finally became a major rail center ahveing the 40 acre big shops built there along with all the locomotive servicinng major and running repair facilities. Palmerston became a major division point for most of Central and Ontario.

The auto age ( post 1957 ) caused drastic service cuts on these branch lines, in 1957 mail was no longer carried on trains in this area , in 1958 the line to Wiarton was abandoned. Then in 1970 passenger service to Owen sound was discontinued, finally by 1995 the entire line was abandoned and the rails removed. Wiarton's station still stands as a general store and home to Ontario's weather groundhog wiarton Willie. Palmerston lost all it's tracks some of the old passenger terminal and station still exist as a museum.

Rob