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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, June 25, 2006 8:10 AM


SUNDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


We open at 6 AM on Monday morning.
(All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


We are CLOSED on SUNDAYs but do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day![tup][tup][tup]


Daily Wisdom


I eat apples but no fruit.
ENCORE! Yogi-ism


Info for the Day:


Railroads from Yesteryear –
Arrives Tuesday – watch for it!


* Weekly Calendar:


Tuesday: RR Theme for the Day!
Wednesday: Toy ‘ Model Trains Day!
Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


MVP Award Winners

April 2006 . . . LoveDome Lars
May – June . . To be announced



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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

NOW SHOWING:

. . . Sunday, June 25th thru July 1st: Blazing Saddles (1974) starring: Gene Wilder, Cleavon Little & Slim Pickins – and – Fierce Creatures (1997) starring: John Cleese, Jamie Lee Curtis, Kevin Kline & Michael Palin. SHORT: Ants in the Pantry (1936).

COMING ATTRACTIONS:

. . . Sunday, July 2nd thru 8th: 1776 (1972): starring: William Daniels & Howard Da Silva – and – The Patriot (2000) starring: Mel Gibson, Heath Ledger & Joely Richardson. SHORT: Movie Maniacs (1936).



SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 00:29:59 (361) Saturday’s Info & 18-Post Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 06:01:56 (361) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments

(3) barndad Doug Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 06:35:34 (361) Comments ‘n ENCORE: Great Strike of 1877, pt I, ‘n long joke!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 07:06:44 (361) ENCORE: Fallen Flag Seaboard Air Line (SAL)

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 09:04:18 (361) Left Coast comments ‘n streamlined SAL sleeping cars

(6) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 09:30:39 (361) Bearman’s Inclusive Gulf Coast Report!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 10:11:09 (362) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 10:25:48 (362) ENCORE: Nostalgia #8 – Great Northern (GN)

(9) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 11:23:29 (362) GN streamlined dining & lounge cars

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 13:11:30 (362) ENCORE: Nostalgia #10 – Union Pacific (UP)

(11) West Coast S Dave Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 14:40:24 (362) Comments ‘n ENCORE: Special Duty Series arrives on the SP!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 15:50:50 (362) Acknowledgment & ENCORE! Pix

(13) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 16:15:28 (362) PM visit ‘n chat!

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 17:13:10 (362) Comments ‘n Rendezvous info

(15) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 17:30:24 (362) UP & CP streamlined dome cars, etc.

(16) barndad Doug Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 17:40:24 (362) Comments ‘n ENCORE: Great Strike of 1877, pt II ‘n Joke!

(17) West Coast S Dave Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 18:17:07 (362) Comments

(18) barndad Doug Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 19:08:00 (362) Comments ‘n ENCORE: Great Strike of 1877, pt III ‘n Joke!

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 19:20:50 (362) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments ‘n ENCORE! :Pix

(20) barndad Doug Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 20:58:32 (362) Comments ‘n ENCORE: Great Strike of 1877, pt IV ‘n Joke

(21) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 21:11:14 (362) Inclusive Post ‘n Comments

(22) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 21:19:00 (362) ENCORE: Classic Juice #14 – Toronto Suburban Railway

(23) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 21:29:45 (362) ENCORE: Classic Juice #12 – Toronto Civic Railways

(24) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 21:50:24 (362) Classic Index, ver 8




That’s it! [tup][;)]


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Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 25, 2006 7:34 AM
Circus cars















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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 25, 2006 7:30 AM
Good morning again Tom and all, and especially Al, who's apparantly and early bird like myself. I believe that Ted Voss has been working on this layout for the past 25 years. He's a member of a layout building club, that doesn't even have a name. It's a group of of couple of guys who go back and forth to each others layouts, and work on 'em together. Kinda sounds like the group we've amassed here! Glad you're finding items of interest in these photos.

Let’s get a closer look at this building, inside and out








The turntable and roundhouse



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Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, June 25, 2006 7:19 AM
Good Morning Tom.

Don't know why I get up so early on my one day off guess old habits die hard.

Doug really enjoyed the C&NW layout pictures picked out at least three eras oif their passenger service. The old heavyweight 400 the new diesel powered 400 train and then the Bi-level era.
Your friend ted certainly has been a very busy person putting all that together did he give you any time frame?

The pictures were great nice way to start off sunday.

TTFN Al
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 25, 2006 4:52 AM
Ted’s version of Crystal Lake













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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 25, 2006 4:48 AM
Here are some extended views from all around the layout


















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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 25, 2006 4:46 AM
Good morning guys, and as promised, here are my pix of the Valley View Model Railroad, which I took yesterday.

Here is the actual building that houses the model RR


Here it is as a model which is downstairs


Here is the property as it resides on the actual layout


Here is your engineer and creator of the RR, Ted Voss


Here’s the CTC, though there is no computer controlling the layout. There are 42 separate blocks.


This station controls a very smart turntable, and more!


Let’s get a look at that particular part of the layout

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:50 PM


Hello Time for another update[^]

THE CLASSIC INDEX VER 8


CLASSIC JUICE

#1 The London and Port Stanley RY L&PS pg# 116
#2 The Niagara St Catharines & Toronto RY NS&T pg# 123
#3 The Montreal and Southern Counties MS&C pg# 131
#4 The Brantford & Hamilton RY B&H pg# 134
#5 The Berlin and Waterloo Street Railway B&WSR pg# 142
#6 The Nearside Car pg# 146
#7 The Peter Witt Story pg# 148
#8 The PCC Car pg# 157
#9 The Nippissing Central N&C RY pg# 140
#10 The Safety Car pg# 162
#11 CNR Electric Lines pg# 163
#12 The Toronto Civic Railway TCR pg# 180
#13 The TCR Cars pg # 180
#14 The Toronto Suburban Railway TSR pg# 211
#15 Canadian Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders pg# 212
#16 US Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders ( that built for Canada ) pg# 217
#17 The Grand River Railway GRR pg# 223
#18 The Lake Erie and Northern Railway LE&N pg# 224
#19 The British Columbia Electric Railway BCER pg# 225
#20 Incline Railways of Hamilton pg# 242
#21 Pre History of the TTC pt1 pg#248
#22 Pre History of the TTC pt2 pg#249
#23 Pre History of the TTC pt3 pg#250
#24 Cataract Lines Pt 1 pg#294
#25 Cataract Lines Pt 2 pg#294
#26 Great Gorge Route pg#295
#27 WP Electric Lines pg#314
#28 Brantford Street Railway pg#346 *new
#29 The Hamilton Street Railway pg#359 *new
#30 The Cornwall Street Railway pg#360 *new





CLASSIC STEAM


#1 Huntsville Sub pg# 159
#2 Alliston Sub pg# 163
#3 Strathroy sub pg# 165
#4 Niagara Falls Passenger Trains pg# 170
#5 Passenger Trains on Brampton & Thorndale Subs pg # 170
#6 The " Roustabout " pg# 176
#7 Passenger trains to Palmerston pg# 182
#8 Southern On railmap pg# 183
#9 Speacial Frieghts on The Niagara Frontier pg# 191
#10 Speacial Freights on The Niagara Frontier Pt 2 pg# 191
#11 Passenger Train Profiles PT 1 pg# 198
#12 Passenger Train Profiles PT 2 pg# 198
#13 The Formation of The CNR pg# 218
#14 The CSR's ST Clair Branch pg# 226
#15 History of CNR Passenger Service pg# 250
#16 Southern RY Steam Program pg# 276
#17 The Stratford & Huron RY pg# 279
#18 The Toronto Grey & Bruce RY pg# 281
#19 The Booze Line pg#289
#20 The BBG RY pg#290
#21 Huntsville and Lake of Bays RY pg#295
#22 Ottawa Arnprior and Parry Sound RY pg#309
#23 The AER pg#310
#24 The Central Ontario RY pg#326
#25 Tne TH&B's Berkshires pg#358 *new
#26 NKP Passenger Service pg#358 *new
#27 The Thousand Island Railway pg#360 *new
#28 The "Drowned" Railway pg#360 *new






CLASSIC CANADIAN ADS

#1 TH&B Doodlebug Ad for EMC pg# 153
#2 National Geographic Ad for CNR Circa 1929 pg# 209
#3 CNR Hotels Ad Circa 1932 pg# 209
#4 The Empire Express pg# 251
#5 CN Super Continental Ad pg# 270
#6 CNR / GTR 1941 System Ad pg# 270
#7 CNR Spans the world Ad pg#311



CLASSIC DIESEL BARN

#1 Southern Pacific Roster pg#254
#2 NA Diesel Manufacturer's Pt 1pg # 254
#3 NA Diesel Manufacturer's Pt 2pg # 256
#4 NA Diesel Manufacturer's Pt 3pg # 259
#5 Northern Pacific in 1960 pg # 260
#6 BC Rail Tumbler Division pg # 262
#7 BC Rail Locomotive Roster c1993 pg # 262
#8 The CF7 Story pg # 263
#9 Seaboard Railroad Freight Ops pg # 268
#10 HBRY Port of Churchill pg# 278
#11 D&RGW Locomotive Roster pg# 282
#12 ICG GEEP Rebuilding pg# 283
#13 C&NW GEEP Rebuilding pg# 283
#14 Precision National ( locomotive rebuildres PT 1 ) pg# 284
#15 Locomotive Rebuilders Pt 2 pg#284
#16 Locomotive rebuilders Pt 3 pg#286
#17 Locomotive Rebuilders Pt 4 pg#288
#18 Locomotive Conversions Pt 1 pg#311
#19 Locomotive Conversions Pt 2 pg#313
#20 CB&Q E5's pg#321
#21 Alco RS2 rebuilds pg#323
#22 The Zephers builders history pg#326
#23 Locomotive Conversions Pt 3 "robots" pg#331
#24 D&H Passenger service pg#332
#25 B&O Passenger E's pg#339 *new
#26 The Lagan Sub speacial rules chart pg#349*new
#27 MEC Mail trains pg# 353 *new


WEIRD TALES FROM THE BARN * new feature

#1The Trolley and Teddy Roosevelt pg#354 *new
#2 Weird Trolley Cars Pt 1 pg#354 [red[*new
#3 ASRA Rules excerpt pg#355 *new
#4 MTC Mishaps Pt 1 pg#358 *new[/red]









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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:29 PM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Another classic juice encore for you gents as well. Gotta keep Ted's traction levels up[;)][:p] This one first posted back on page 180.
Rob

Classic Juice # 12 The Toronto Civic Railways

The Toronto Civic was a collection of streetcar lines that the city built to provide transit in areas that the privatly owned Toronto Railway Company, Toronto Suburban Railway, and the Toronto and York Radial railway would not or could not cover. The Civic lines wer all separate and did not attach to each other so each division had it's own car house snowsweepers and maintenace facilities. The years of operation were 1912-1921.

The primary lines were located as follows Landsdowne to St clair. The St Clair line which did connect eventually with the Landsdowne line, Danforth,Bloor west,and The Gerard line. The Gerard line eventually conected into the Danforth line.The lines brokje down as follows. The St Clair line ran along St Clair Avenue from Yonge street to the Northewrn division of the Grand Trunk Railway 3.10 miles. The Gerard line and Coxwell Avenue line ran from Greenwood avenue to Main street,then north on Main to Danforth ave 2.14 miles . The Danforth line ran from Greenwood Ave to the east city limits 2.10. These were all operational by 1916.

Two additiinal lines were started in 1915 finished by 1917. A line along Bloor Street West was built from Dundas street,where a conection was made with the Toronto railway company line on their Dundas to Quebec street route 0.745 mile. The final line was built on Landsdowne from St Clair to the CPR tracks at Royce avenue a line of 0.615 miles. this completed the Civic's lines several other lines were proposed but stopped in 1920 as the merger of all the Toronto street railway comapnies to form the now TTC was under way at that point.


Four proposed but never built civic lines were as follows. Bathhurst street, from the St Clair line to Davenport road then along Davenport to Dupont street this would have been a 1.14 mile run. The Rosedale loop from South Drive to South Drive , via Glen Road,Summerhill Ave,Macclennon Ave,schofield ave then back onto Glen to complete the loop. This would have been a 1.45 mile circle. A further line was proposed to run east from St Clair and Yonge and run north onto Mount Pleasant road no further specs wer given on that as it never made it off the paper stage.

All of their cars were paye cars as built but were later converted to pay as you pass. All the cars were of wood construction from various manufacturers save for the final car orders for single truck Birney's ( only ones built for Toronto ). All of the civics cars were double ended as well as no loops were ever provided for turning the cars, all the lines operated out and back only the Bloor line was double tracked. I'll follow later today with a complete list of cars and manufacturers etc.


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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:19 PM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Another classic juise encore from the vault, this one first appeared on page 211.

Rob

CLASSIC JUICE #14 THE TORONTO SUBURBAN RAILWAY


This is the little known Toronto electric line. It had a peculiar and not altogether happy history. For most of it's years of operation it was only a suburban streetcar line. When construction of the major intercity line comenced, it proceeded at a snails pace. As a consequence, the extention to it's as planned radial line ruined the company financially.

It was incorporated in 1894 as the Toronto Suburban Street Railway Company and built in the mid-nineties from Keele and Dundas streets in Toronto via Dundas Road to Lambton Mills, and to Weston via Keele and Weston Road. In addition a street car line was built from Bathurst Street and Davenport Road via Davenport and Weston Roads to Keele.Around 1901 the line developed great ambitions of building to Hamilton, but the project never got beyond the survey stage,and the company continued for a decade as a small suburban carrier, with about ten miles of line and a moderate rate of return on investment.

In 1911 the line was aquired by MacKenzie ( of Candian Northern Fame ), and plans for extention were revived, this time in the direction of Guelph. First however, the Weston line was extended in a crooked winding route into Woodbridge,following the road for a distance and then the Humber River. The track reached Woodbridge in 1913, but a dispute with the town over location prevented introduction of regular service until oct 10 of 1914. The mainline to Guelph was surveyed in 1911, and construction commenced in 1912. Much of the grading was finished in 1913 except for heavy work near Lambton. Work continued in 1914, during which year miost of the rail was laid. The war slowed down construction,and not until april 14, 1917, was service inaugerated on the 49 mile line from Lambton to Guelph.

The road was built to relativly high standards,with substancial grading and filling and several extensive bridges and tressels,including a 711 foot steel bridge over the Humber and a 315 foot wooden tressel accross the west branch of the Credit river. The track was nearly all on a private right of way, following Dundas street to summerville and then cutting cross country via Medowvale, Huttonville,Norval,Georgetown,Acton, and Edon Mills, south of the Grand trunk's old mainline. The Line climbed 755 feet from lambton to a point west of Acton.( This is nowadays Milton, our Museum ROW is the old TSR line through to Guelph ) The operation was 1500 volt DC , with catenary overhead, and the track unlike the old line of the company was standard guage. In 1916 the company sought permission to change a portion of it's Toronto trackage to standard guage to allow through operation of their cars. Although the city was opposed on the grounds that operation of interurban cars on city streets was unsafe, the permission was granted and the changes made. The interurban cars then terminated at Keele and Dundas, still a long distance from downtown.

The delays that plagued construction were not over, even as introduction of regular service approached; several of the cars completed for the company by the Preston Car and Coach Company were destroyed when a fire swept the car building plants,so TSR was forced to restrict its operations to a limited scale for several months. The 59 foot sixty-two passenger cars were of the centre door type ( only), unique in Candian interurba operation. Two 61 foot 9 inch cars were built for tthe line by the Niagara St Catharines and Toronto Railway in 1924.

The line was scarcley finished before the roads parent company, the Canadian Northern, was aquired by the Dominion govt to become a portion of Candian National Railways. The attitude of the latter towards the TSR shifted several times over the next decade. At first CNR was willing to let the road go to become part of the Hydro radial system, but when plans for the latter fell through Sir Henery Thornton( CNR's first President ) became enthusiastic for a time about a system of electric lines in the Toronto area under CNR owbership.He merged the TSR with the unfinished Toronto Eastern, comenced to complete the line and latter refused an offer by the city to purchase the line in 1922 ( would have become part of the TTC ) The line was operated, after 1923 as Candian National Railways, Toronto Suburban District. In 1924 and 1925 a new entrance into the city was built from west of Lambton to St Clair and Keele via a private ROW with an underpass under the CPR.Plans were developed to bring cars downtown to the Union Station over the main CNR tracks. The old Lambton line was sold to the township and operated by the TTC till it's abandonement in 1928.Meanville in 1923 the expiration of the city lines occured and the former city routes of the TSR and incorporated into the new TTC. The Weston line was sold to Weston and York township but was operated as a TTC line until 1948 when it was abandoned due to bus competition.

Opertating deficits appeared in 1921 and continued to build,revenues fell while the exopenses kept edging higher. The operating ratio was 145 by 1925. Thus the TSR was the most unproffitable electric line in Canada. If it had been a private company the plug would have been pulled in 1926 but pressure from Guelph and the other towns on the interurban line kept it going. By 1931 only 300 assengers a day were being carried by the line, all operations were discontinued in that august. All the physical plant was sold off at 25 cents on a dollar so $500,000 was recouped by the creditors. All the cars were given to the NS&T which was also a CNR electric line. Interestingly car 107 made the last run on the TSR and as NS&T's #83 it made the last passenger run on the NS&T in 1959.


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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:11 PM
What Ho ! Gents. Tom I'll happily partake of Dave's free buffet of libations tonight. It's been a fairly steady encore day, he may have wished that he did notoffer to cover the booze till midnight his time[:0][B)][8]

Tom Thanks for providing the run down on that car. It's a dead wringer for similar cars that ran on the Cleveland Shaker Heights fast line and on the Fox Valley. Quite close to some Preston C&C built cars that ran on the Toronto Suburban fron 1917 to 31 as well. Imagine a train of those type of cars ( 3 units ) whipping along the ROW at the Museum at 60+ MPH. The Toronto Suburban covered the Toronto to Guelph run in approx 45 minutes ! With 40 station stops ! try that in traffic today.

Loved the CPR shots too Tom. That's the nicest paint job ever carried by a Canadian RR, and it holds it own against the best from the US as well. IMHO[:D][^]

Tom 'n' Al Qiute the tag team today, loved the Classic railroaad encore followed by the streamliner report. [tup] You sure that you guys didn't cook that up over email yesterday[;)][?]

Doug Some great encore efforts from you today again sir.Glad to see you pick up the slack today and help the bar hum along at an unpresidented clip ( for a sat lately )

Not the brightest spot for a stop sign I would say,isn't a similarly misplaced stop sign responsible partly for that great raspberry jam truck commutor train crash in Califronia last summer[?]

Ted He put the doornob where[?][:0][:(!] that's it I'm not letting him even touch any brass locomotives lest they find their way into that particular tunnel as well[:(!]

A lady adjuster might be a good or bad thing for you. If she's a neat freak your batchelors pad may not do so well[tdn][:I]On the upside maybe she's single and likes to "ride" trains[:I][:0][;)]

Thanks for both yours and Tom's recollectuions of the KC flood. I remember seeing one of those disastres of te century episodes on it. The difference between that and the one that "relocated" the towns in Ont and Que was that the one up here was manmade and done on purpose [tdn]. Your right Tom I'm sure many new wrods were added to the French and English languages over that one.

Dave Hey nice to see you in a couple o times today. Great early SD article, I've always had a soft spot for them. I purcahsed a proto SD7 EMD demonstrator just to run with my first gen CPR Alcos and Geep's looks good to me. your right the CPR M&G did look good on the second generation units as well. The GP30's & 35's of 1964-65 build were delivered in that scheme, some ran into the 80's still in that faded paint job. A 1967 order for SD40's were the last locomotives to be delivered in the classic garb. If one's luckey enough Kato's original HO SD40 run of 1990-91 had a CPR SD40 painted in the marroon and grey script scheme. I'm not sure if modern AC's or SD90's would look good in it though


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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 24, 2006 8:58 PM
Good evening again Tom and friends. I'll just have a six-pack of Samuel Adams Boston Lager, and then call it a night. I agree ...I submitted way too much reading material today, but it was a long series, and I didn't want to break it up. IN other news, I got some new (old) train material today, and am anxious to share it with ya'll, as soon as I know what I have!
Here's the final part of the 1877 strike series:

The Great Strike of 1877 by H.R. Edwards Railroad Stories Feb. 1936

Ruins of the Pennsylvania RR roundhouse and car shops at Pittsburgh after the fire. The loss was estimated at about $7,000,000 and hundreds of rioters were killed or injured.


Once incendiarism was started, the rioters did not rest until they had destroyed 1,600 freight and passenger cars, many of them loaded with valuable merchandise, and 126 locomotives, together with all the machine shops and railroad offices in the vicinity. The mob planted their cannon in the streets nearby and informed the city firemen they’d blow them to pieces if they tried to put out those flames.

The firemen beat a hasty retreat, and the work of destruction continued unabated. While the torch was being applied, thousands of men, women and children took part in pillaging the cars. Men armed with heavy hammers broke open the box cars and threw the contents to the frenzied mob. Hundreds of wagons were pressed into service to haul off the loot. Here would be a woman with brawny arms rolling a barrel of flour through the crowd, a boy would be lugging a huge family Bible; a man would be pushing a wheel-barrow loaded with hams or fancy parasols or household goods. Thousands were grabbing, fighting, robbing, running off with their booty.

Meanwhile, the flames had spread to Pittsburgh’s four-story Union Depot. Rioters, impatient at the delay, had rushed into the stationmaster’s office, bursting open desks and offices, scattering books and papers over the floor, and saturating them with oil. “The Union Depot is on fire!” The cry went up from a thousand throats. Hundreds of persons climbed the high tower in City Hall to get a magnificent view of the leaping flames and billowing clouds of smoke that reddened the sky for miles.

Next a huge grain elevator, 150 feet high and eighty feet square, was reduced to ashes, even though it did not belong to the railroad company.. The Panhandle Depot on Grand Street and the locomotive shop on Quarry Street met the same fate. By this time a vast area for a distance of three miles was a wall of fire, ad before the sun went to rest that night not a railroad building nor a car of the Pennsylvania and Panhandle roads was left unburned in Pittsburgh. The loss was estimated to be about $7,000,000. At least fifty-three of the rioters had been killed and 110 injured. In addition, eight soldiers were killed and nearly forty wounded.

The strike had now become so general throughout the East that the Pennsylvania Railroad annulled all trains until the civil and military authorities could guarantee their safety. On the Pittsburgh, Chicago & Fort Wayne orders were given to discontinue all trains. The strikers thereupon took possession of that entire road, and ran passenger trains nearly on scheduled time.

The leader of this movement was Robert Ammond, a clear-headed and intelligent executive who knew how to handle both men and trains. On Saturday evening he was a humble brakeman. On Sunday morning he was a capable superintendent, dispatching trains, issuing passes, and receiving all reports from employees, officials, stockholders, and even from Manager Layng. On Tuesday morning he resigned, rather reluctantly, to become a humble brakeman again. During the three days he was in charge not a single accident occurred on the line, although there were plenty of danger and excitement on all sides.

All over the State of Pennsylvania were riots and bloodshed and the burning of railroad property. At Scranton the striking trainmen were reinforced by miners of the district; three leaders were killed, many injure; the mayor was knocked down and barely escaped with his life. At Nanticoke a scab engineer was shot. In Chicago, on July 26th, the troops fired upon a crowd of strike sympathizers, killing ten and wounding sixty-four. The trail of blood and fire spread to St. Louis, and even to San Francisco, where a vigilance committee was organized.

The railroad labor leaders were appalled at the destruction of property by mobs and the terrible loss of life caused by the rifles of the militia men and soldiers of the regular army. As troops occupied the great railroad centers, one after another, they put down rioting without mercy and thus enforced the operation of trains. Labor leaders had no heart for fighting the United States Army. Gradually the strike died down, without attaining its object.

The railroad officials, aghast at such display of force, were quick to offer the olive branch at the first signs of weakening of the strike. On the Pennsy, for instance, Superintendent Pitcairn announced at Pittsburgh that the striking engineers and firemen could have their own engines again if they returned to duty at once. What happened as a result of this announcement was summed up by a newspaper reporter:

“The old engineers claim they had been forced to join the strike, and are only too glad to get back. I saw them this afternoon (July 30th) at the dispatcher’s office, where they were to report, according to Supt. Pitcairn’s proclamation. They flocked in like taxpayers at the tax office on the last day before penalties begin to run, each man to put his name down on a paper headed simply: List of Loyal Men Now Ready to Work. Hundreds of trainmen and engineers had signed during the day. The following scene was frequently repeated: Enter young fellow, a trainman or engineer. He says nothing, but walks up and looks over the long list of names and sees some of them marked with a cross. “What does that black mark mean/” he asks nervously. “That is to indicate the man is an engineer.” “Oh!” comes the sigh of relief. His eye runs over the list rapidly, and finally he says sullenly; “By God, they are all there! Well, put my name down too.””

William H. (“Commodore”) Vanderbilt, who gave his loyal employees $100,000


William H. Vanderbilt, president of the New York Central, was elated when the rioting ceased, and issued a statement to his employees on August 1st: “We have passed through a period of unparalleled excitement … I appealed to you to resist lawlessness at the hands of the rioters, to protect the property of this company and assist in restoring order. Your response has won the admiration and respect of the whole country. Of this company’s 12,000 employees, less than 500 have shown any disposition to embarrass it.”

Vanderbilt went on to say that as a token of his appreciation he was distributing $100,000 rated according to their position on the payroll, among all his employees, except executives and clerks. Thus ended the biggest railroad strike in American history. Although the strikers did not win the wage scale they had fought for, they demonstrated a power that the officials could never forget. From that time on there was a gradual improvement in railroad wages and working conditions. These two facts, it must be admitted, are more than mere coincidences.


[:I] A journalist assigned to the Jerusalem bureau takes an apartment overlooking the Wailing Wall. Every day when he looks out, he sees this old Jew praying vigorously. So the journalist goes down to the wall, introduces himself and says "You come every day to the wall. How long have you done that and what are you praying for?"

The old Jew replies "I have come here to pray every day for 25 years. In the morning I pray for world peace, then I pray for the brotherhood of man. I go home, have a glass of tea, and I come back to pray for the eradication of illness and disease from the earth."

The amazed journalist finally asks "How does it make you feel to come and pray every day for 25 years for these things?"

The old Jew replies "Like I'm talking to a wall." [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, June 24, 2006 7:20 PM
G'day!

Interesting commentary, Dave - certainly concur with you regarding the livery of those Canadian Pacific diesels. Love it! [tup] I suppose my favorite diesels are the Alco PAs in assorted liveries. Love the Santa Fe war bonnets - love the NYC lightning bolts - love the D&H version of the bonnet and the beat goes on! Fine looking machines, eh [?]

Of course, everyone knows that when it comes to locomotives, the Pennsy GG1s simply "do it" for moi! [yeah]

Nice series Doug but for today - far too much reading . . . something for later (again!). [swg] On point comment regarding insurance companies and they way they spend OUR money! <groan>

But back to the CP, here's another . . . .

ENCORE: CP FP9A #1416 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


REMINDER:
Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 24, 2006 7:08 PM
Good evening Tom and friends. I pretty much finished the pix for tomorrow, and I could really use a nice cold bottemless draught. Is Dave still buying? I'll get the next round when he leaves, or falls under his stool, whichever comes first! I hope you start paying your fair share to these insurance companies, Dave .... they can barely afford to buy more stadiums without your help! Here's part II of my ENCORE

The Great Strike of 1877 by H.R. Edwards Railroad Stories Feb. 1936

Meanwhile, at Pittsburgh, Pa., the situation was growing more desperate. The sheriff called for state aid. Governor John F. Hartranft issued the usual anti-rioting proclamation and ordered out the militia. This increased the tension; strike sympathizers refused to let freight cars leave the city.

All over the East the strike movement was spreading. On July 18th the men struck on the Western and Buffalo divisions of the Erie road, extending from Hornellsville (now Hornell) to Dunkirk and Buffalo. No freight trains were allowed to leave Hornellsville in either direction.

On the 21st, President Hayes issued another proclamation, warning all rioters to disperse within twenty-four hours. The situation was critical. Calls for federal troops were coming from five states: West Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania and Illinois. All New York regiments (16,000 men) were assembled in their armories. At Brooklyn, N.Y., a regiment was loaded aboard a special train on the Erie, en route to Hornellsville. The train reached Elmira at 7 a.m. on July 24th. Armed guards were stationed on the engine and tender and on platforms of the coaches to see that the train was not stopped.

Rioters attempted to clamber aboard at Corning, but were beaten off. Then they turned the switch and at the same time blocked the main by overturning a baggage car on it and damaging several locomotives. The fireman of the troop train deserted to the strikers. He helped them tear up the track for a short distance at several places. More cars were overturned.

The troop train was effectively stopped, but a construction party was organized; under the protection of bayonets it gradually rebuilt and reopened the line. At half a mile from Hornellsville the train was derailed by a loosened rail. Thereupon the troops unloaded and marched to the depot. In a short time some freight trains were running in and out of Hornellsville.

On July 22nd Governor Hartranft ordered out every regiment in the State of Pennsylvania. That night there was a strike riot at Reading, culminating in the burning of several cars. Soldiers killed thirteen of the mob and wounded nearly fifty. The Lebanon Valley Railroad bridge over the Schuylkill River, which had cost $50,000, was burned.

In Philadelphia strikers set fire to an oil train, but only four of the cars were burned. By this time the eastern ranks of the strikers had swollen by men from the New York Central, the Delaware & Lackawanna & Western, the Delaware & Hudson, the Morris & Essex, the Lehigh & Susquehanna, and the C.N.J.

At Indianapolis strikers seized the Union Depot and refused to let trains run, with the single exception of mail cars. At Chicago the strike movement embraced the B&O, the Michigan Central, the Illinois Central, the Rock Island, the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy and the Chicago & Alton. In some cases the men walked out eagerly; in others they had to be driven away from their jobs by force.

At East St. Louis, Ill., the strike sympathizers ran into a snag. The movement spread to the Ohio & Mississippi (now B&O) and the St. Louis & South-Eastern (now L&N), but as those two roads were being operated by receivers appointed by a federal court, detachments of United States regular soldiers were summoned to enforce operation of the O&M and the St. L&SE.

In most cases the railroad strikers themselves were well organized and orderly; strike sympathizers and the military element caused most of the disorders. The strikers were hampered by the fact that a large number of company spies circulated among them and betrayed their plans. The strikers made special efforts to keep mail cars running. A committee of striking engineers on the Buffalo Division of the lake Shore & Michigan Southern wired to the Postmaster General at Washington; “None of the mails have been interfered with or stopped here by parties known as strikers. We will furnish all engineers and firemen to pass all the mails regularly, at our expense, if the railroad companies will permit it.”

Vice President Cassatt (later president) of the Pennsylvania Railroad made a fast run from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh in his special car, and went straight to East Liberty with Superintendent Robert Pitcairn, Sheriff R.C. Fife, a party of forty-five deputies, and a regiment of national guardsmen from Philadelphia. Sheriff Fife mounted to the cab of the locomotive, read the riot act and harangued the mob. They jeered and laughed. The sheriff ordered his deputies to arrest the ringleaders. A strike sympathizer shouted; “Give them Hell!” Immediately a shower of stones was hurled at the troops. The latter opened fire, killing sixteen of the citizens and wounding a great many more.

This massacre inflamed the mob. “Lynch the Philadelphians!” and “Burn the railroad shops and depots!” were heard on every hand. A large crowd broke into Johnson’s Gun Works and seized two hundred rifles and a quantity of small arms, while other rioters confiscated three hundred additional rifles.

The Philadelphia troops, numbering more than eight hundred, retreated into the large PRR roundhouse at 28th and Liberty Streets, taking with them two Gatling guns and other pieces belonging to Brack’s battery. There they barricaded themselves against the Pittsburgh mob. Rioters seized a cannon, loaded it, and planted it within 100 feet of the roundhouse. But before they could open fire, marksmen picked them off one by one. When the dreary day dawned thirteen dead bodies were found beside that cannon.

Unable to dislodge the troops in any other way, in insurrectionists resolved to burn them out. An oil train was set afire and run down the track against the sandhouse, near the roundhouse. The sandhouse was burned to the ground, but the roundhouse was saved by the soldiers within, whi used the railroad hydrants to fight the flames. Nearly suffocated by the stench of burning oil, the besieged troops vacated the roundhouse at seven the next morning, which was Sunday, and retreated to Sharpsburg, fighting their way through the mob, killing and being killed.

Construction gang under protection of soldiers rerailing a Lackawanna train derailed by rioters at Corning, N.Y.



[:I] If you can't laugh about this you need help.... This is a supposedly a true story from the Word Perfect help line. Needless to say the help desk employee was fired; however, the person is currently suing the Word Perfect organization for "termination without cause". This is from the taped conversation leading up to dismissal :

"Word Perfect Technical Desk, may I help you?"

"Yes, well, I'm having trouble with Word Perfect."

"What sort of trouble?"

"Well, I was just typing along, and all of a sudden the words went away."

"Went away?"

"They disappeared."

"Hmm. So what does your screen look like now?"

"Nothing."

"Nothing?"

"It's blank; it won't accept anything when I type."

"Are you still in Word Perfect, or did you get out?"

"How do I tell?"

"Can you see the C: prompt on the screen?"

"What's a sea-prompt?"

"Never mind. Can you move the cursor around on the screen?"

"There isn't any cursor: I told you, it won't accept anything I type!"

"Does your monitor have a power indicator?"

"What's a monitor?"

"It's the thing with the screen on it that looks like a TV.

"Does it have a little light that tells you when it's on?"

"I don't know."

"Well, then look on the back of the monitor and find where the power cord goes into it. Can you see that?"

"Yes, I think so."

"Great. Follow the cord to the plug, and tell me if it's plugged into the wall."

".......Yes, it is."

"When you were behind the monitor, did you notice that there were two cables plugged into the back of it, not just one?"

"No."

"Well, there are. I need you to look back there again and find the other cable."

"Okay, here it is."

"Follow it for me, and tell me if it's plugged securely into the back of your computer."

"I can't reach."

"Uh huh. Well, can you see if it is?"

"No."

"Even if you maybe put your knee on something and lean way over?"

"Oh, it's not because I don't have the right angle-it's because it's dark."

"Dark?"

"Yes-the office light is off, and the only light I have is coming in from the window."

"Well, turn on the office light then."

"I can't."

"No? Why not?"

"Because there's a power outage."

"A power... A power outage? Aha, Okay, we've got it licked now. Do you still have the boxes and manuals and packing stuff your computer came in?"

"Well, yes, I keep them in the closet."

"Good. Go get them, and unplug your system and pack it up just like it was when you got it. Then take it back to the store you bought it from."

"Really? Is it that bad?"

"Yes, I'm afraid it is."

"Well, all right then, I suppose. What do I tell them?"

"Tell them you're too stupid to own a computer." [:I]
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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, June 24, 2006 6:17 PM
I have returned, Tom, if so desired, my offer of endless libatations can be used for more productive times. I tell you, that CP maroon and gray was one fine scheme, nice that they saw fit to revive it for their Heritage fleet, heck, it looks as if made for second generation power as well, do we dare hope for a AC in these colors??
I've never mossied over to the other thread, perhaps as time permits...

Of course you could paint a F unit in pink with polka dots and purple zebra stripes and the timeless design would be undenieable. Was a scheme ever devised that didn't look good on a F unit? (Penn Central does not count). If so, i'm still searching......

Doug/Al... I've made a shocking discovery regarding my homeowners insurance, seems i'm covered on the structure for $85.00 a square foot, that was sufficient for 1980, now the cost to build or replace is around $380.00 a square foot in my area. That could have been a budget buster if a diaster resulting in loss of structure had occured. Last time I did the math, coverage for contents was beyond my means but my agent is calculating a full coverage quote to which should be a bit easier on the wallet and remedy that coverage deficency.

One and half hours to quiting time and two days off, i'm beat!!! Have to part now to cross the T's and dot all the I's.

Until later

Dave
SP the way it was in S scale
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 24, 2006 5:40 PM
Good afternoon Tom and friends! Wow! What a job of coordinating the posts today by Tom, Al and Dave! I'm going to need a beer and a shot chaser to digest it all. Nice lead-off with Tom's Seaboard Fallen Flag, then a Seaboard streamlined sleeper post by Al. Tom's 2nd at bat was a GNR nostalgia, followed by Al's streamlined diner and lounge post. Then Tom unveiled a UP, which was complimented by Dave's SP article. Way to go guys!

I managed to sneak-out today to get pictures of a layout that ya'll won't be able to see when you get here next year. I took 137 photos of the Valley View Model Railroad in Union Illinois, which some of you may have already seen on TV or in Model Railroader. The proprietor, Ted Voss, is now 72 years old, and this is the last year he plans to be open to the public. But have no fear, I will share the pix with ya'll for tomorrows photo day. As for now, here's part II of my ENCORE:

The Great Strike of 1877 by H.R. Edwards Railroad Stories Feb. 1936

The railroad yards around Martinsburg were very much congested, with trains standing on all the sidetracks. Rioters were celebrating. There was nothing that local authorities could do but close all the liquor saloons in the city and send out a call for state and federal aid.

Meanwhile the strike movement was spreading westward to Wheeling, on the main stem, and also to the Parkersburg branch. The governor, Henry Matthews, appealed to the President of the United States, Rutherford B. Hayes. Mr. Hayes responded promptly, issuing a proclamation which ordered the rioters to disperse, and sending 400 troops of the regular army under Major General William H. French from Washington on a special train. William Keyser, the B&O’s second vice president, accompanied them in his car.

The soldiers reached Martinsburg early on the morning of July 19th. They were armed for battle, with Springfield rifles and three Gatling guns. They found 1,500 freight cars, some loaded, and seventy-three locomotives blocking the sidetracks in and about the city, but the main line was still open.

That day, under protection of bayonets, freight traffic started moving again to the east and west from Martinsburg. The blockade was partly lifted, but the strike was not ended. Indeed, it had barely begun. Inflamed by military interference, it became general even before nightfall of the 19th, crossing the Ohio River and extending as far west as Chicago.

At Grafton, W. Va., strikers cut bolts and connecting chains from all freight locomotives, ruining them for immediate use, and driving off the engine crews by force. At Newark and Columbus, Oh., freight trains were stopped and the wires west of Martinsburg were cut.

The second railroad to be swept into the strike was the Pennsylvania. On the morning of July 19th, the third day after the movement had started in Baltimore, the Pennsy freight men struck Pittsburgh, partly out of sympathy with the B&O strikers, but chiefly because the company doubled the number of cars on each train without increasing the number of crew, and also had more than doubled the distance.

At the morning call, strikers assembled in the yards and stopped every drag that attempted to roll a wheel. A dozen cattle trains at the East Liberty stockyards also were stopped. By midnight of the 19th fully 1,400 men had gathered in the two yards, and 1,500 cars were standing on the sidings; 200 of them were loaded with perishable goods.

Meanwhile, B&O Railroad officials balked at furnishing additional transportation to Major General French and his troops except on orders directly from Vice President King, because of the drunken condition of Major General French himself The railroad company was reported to have supplied three gallons of whiskey and two dozen bottles of ale in twenty-four hours for use in the general’s private car. Major General French answered the charges indignantly: “I think it outrageous hat if the officials put whiskey on board they should turn afterward on the officers for accepting the hospitality.”

Finally on the 22nd, the troops were given another special train and went merrily on their way. But while this petty bickering was going on, one of the bloodiest days of the strike was written in history.

Word reached Baltimore on the afternoon of the 20th that all freight trains leaving Martinsburg that day (still under military protection) were being stopped by strikers at Cumberland, Md., and the crews being taken off them. Thereupon the governor of Maryland, John Lee Carroll, issued an anti-rioting proclamation and ordered out the state militia at Baltimore. All day long throngs of citizens had been milling about the city anxiously watching the bulletin boards at newspaper offices and arguing over the situation. The clang of firebells at 5:30 P.M., calling the men to their armories for military duty, created the wildest excitement.

As the alarm rang out, crowds made their way toward the armories of the various regiments. That of the Sixth was located at Front and Fayette Streets, in a neighborhood frequented by the rough element. Before 6 P.M. a crowd of at least 2,000 men, women and children of Baltimore had surrounded the armory and were protesting military intervention. The crowd kept growing as men poured out of factories, sweat shops, stores and offices. Streets leading to the Sixth Regiment armory were jammed with a yelling cursing mob.

At 7:30 a man in uniform endeavored to get into the building. The rioters seized him, threw him over a bridge into Jone’s Falls, a stream which ran through that section of the city. Other militia men were seized and thrown over the heads of the mob; they were glad to escape with slight injuries. Then someone threw a brick at the soldier guarding a door of the armory. It was followed by a shower of missiles, which soon destroyed windows and doors of the building and injured some of the men. The whole available police force of the district was concentrated at this spot, but was powerless to quell the rising tumult.

At 8:15 P.M. Colonel Peters decided to march his command of 150 men to the Camden Station, to which General Herbert had ordered them to report. Each man was supplied with twenty rounds of ammunition and a breech loading Springfield rifle. They marched out with rifles loaded.

When they reached the door, passing out two by two, the order was given to stoop down as a shower of missiles greeted their appearance. The citizen soldiery wavered a moment, then marched solidly into the street, pressing back the angry mob and dodging stones. Finally the “tin soldiers”, as they were derisively called, could contain themselves no longer and opened fire on the strike sympathizers.

From then on, their progress toward the station was a series of rifle volleys in answer to showers of stones and scattering shots. Stores were hastily closed; peaceful citizens got off the main streets. At least nine persons were shot dead by the militia in their march to the depot, and a large number were wounded. The Fifth Regiment also was attacked en route to the station. All in all, it was a sad-looking group of citizen soldiers which finally reached the shelter of the railroad station. Vice President King of the B&O turned his private car into a hospital for the benefit of his military allies.

Late in the night of July 21st the rioters in West Baltimore set fire to a 37-car train of coal oil. This they fired by throwing wads of cotton waste saturated with flaming oil onto the train, but only seven cars, with three hundred barrels of oil, were burned. The rioters intended to run the train into Mount Clare and destroy the huge B&O shops there.

Shortly after a conflagration broke out near the President Street depot of the Philadelphia, Wilmington & Baltimore Railroad in Baltimore, but the efforts of police and firemen saved the station.


[:I] When you think about the differences between work and prison, maybe prison isn't so bad...

IN PRISON.......You spend the majority of your time in an 8x10 cell.
AT WORK........You spend most of your time in a 6x8 cubicle.

IN PRISON.......You get three meals a day.
AT WORK........You get a break for 1 meal and you have to pay for it.

IN PRISON.......You get time off for good behaviour.
AT WORK........You get rewarded for good behaviour with more work.

IN PRISON.......A guard locks and unlocks all the doors for you.
AT WORK........You must carry around a security card and unlock and open all the doors yourself.

IN PRISON........You can watch TV and play games.
AT WORK.........You get fired for watching TV and playing games.

IN PRISON.......You get your own toilet.
AT WORK........You have to share.

IN PRISON.......They allow your family and friends to visit.
AT WORK........You cannot even speak to your family and friends.

IN PRISON.......All expenses are paid by taxpayers with no work required.
AT WORK........You get to pay all the expenses to go to work and then they deduct taxes from you salary to pay for prisoners.

IN PRISON.......You spend most of your life looking through bars from inside wanting to get out.
AT WORK........You spend most of your time wanting to get out and go inside bars.

IN PRISON......There are wardens who are often sadistic.
AT WORK.......They are called supervisors.

IN PRISON.......You have unlimited time to read e-mail jokes.
AT WORK........You get fired if you get caught.

NOW GET BACK TO WORK! [:I]
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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, June 24, 2006 5:30 PM
Good Afternoon Tom and the other members hanging in their. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

You are right about those insurance man conversations.I did notice he is driving a 2006 Lexus.

Union
Pacific
(UP)
Streaml;ined Dome Cars
by Al

The Union Pacific was the second largest purchaser of new dome cars next to the CB&Q and even today own domes for operation in their business fleet.
The first domes to be acquired by the UP were the four Astra-Domes built for the GM TRAIN OF TOMORROW (See Pullman Standard chapter). These cars built by Pullman Standard were delivered to GM in May 1947. The four cars were named only STAR DUST (Dome Coach), SKY VIEW (Dome Diner), DREAM CLOUD (Dome Sleeper) and MOON GLOW (Dome Lounge Observation). In April 1950 all four cars plus the EMD E7A 765 that had comprised the GM TRAIN OF TOMORROW were purchased by the Union Pacific and moved to Omaha, Nebraska. Here the cars and diesel were repainted from their stainless steel and royal blue scheme to the Armour yellow, harbor mist gray and red streamliner colors of their new owner Union Pacific. Since the Union Pacific operated only one train worthy of the four domes that required but a single set of equipment it was almost a foregone conclusion the UP would operate the cars in their pool train between Portland and Seattle.
For years the UP-GN-NP had operated four trains daily between these two major Northwest cities. Each railroad operated a daily train in each direction and every three months the operation of the overnight train was rotated between the three roads. The UP operated trains 457-458 as their regular schedule. These trains operated NB from Portland each morning bringing through sleeping cars from the connecting CITY OF PORTLAND and SP CASCADE to Seattle’s Union Station. The UP pool train returned to Portland each evening. During the long days of summer the round trip was entirely in daylight. During the spring and fall the train operated NB entirely in the daylight but southbound the train reached Portland after dark. In the winter months the southbound usually encountered darkness before even reaching Tacoma. The sleeping cars returned south to Portland on the NP pool train each morning operating from King Street Station just across from Union Station separated by the 4th Ave overpass.
The Union Pacific operated the former TRAIN OF TOMORROW cars and diesel unit from Omaha in a CITY OF LOS ANGELES train set. The train went on display in Los Angeles under a banner reading “TRAIN OF TOMORROW – Your Portland-Tacoma-Seattle Train of Today”. The Domeliner traveled from Los Angeles to Salt Lake City in a LOS ANGELES LIMITED consist. After display in the Utah Capitol the train traveled to Pocatello, Boise, La Grande, Pendleton, Portland, Tacoma and Seattle for display in each city before retuning to Portland to begin service on June 18, 1950. The rest of the trains consist of 457-458 was made up of modernized heavyweight coaches and parlor cars. Since the schedule did not require sleeping cars the Astra-Dome sleeping car DREAM CLOUD operated as a parlor car with all space sold at parlor car rates. The coaches of the new train required no extra fare, but this was not true of STAR DUST the Astra-Dome Coach as an extra supplement was charged for this car. All passengers could avail themselves of SKY VIEW the Astra-Dome dining car serving breakfast and lunch northbound and late lunch and dinner southbound. The Astra-Dome Lounge Observation MOON GLOW was only open to the first class parlor passengers. By 1951 the UP Domeliner unofficially known as the CITY OF SEATTLE was fully streamlined. The UP assigned numbers to three of the Astra-Domes in March 1956 STAR DUST numbered 7010, SKY VIEW numbered 8010 and MOON GLOW numbered 9015. The MOON GLOW had its round observation end squared off for mid-train operation in 1956 by Omaha shops. This did not alter the cars number of seats although at least two sofas were repositioned. The first of the old TRAIN OF TOMORROW Astra Domes withdrawn from trains 457-458 was 8010 SKY VIEW in September 1957, this was followed by 7010 in March 1958. In 1959 it is known that 9015 MOON GLOW operated for a time in one of the CITY OF DENVER consists. By the early 1960s all four of the original TRAIN OF TOMORROW cars could be seen in a Pocatello scrap yard minus trucks and piled up waiting to be cut up for scrapping. Only the former 9015 MOON GLOW has been spared. As this is written it is stored alongside Ogden station awaiting restoration. These cars are among he few dome cars to be scrapped.
The UP was impressed enough with these domes to order new Astra Dome cars of three types Coach, Dining and Lounge Observation from American Car and Foundry in late November 1952.
These domes were ordered after carefully considering routes to be assigned domes. The UP was faced with the situation of having six trains that were considered for domes the CITY OF LOS ANGELES, CITY OF PORTLAND, CITY OF DENVER, CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO, CITY OF ST.LOUIS, and CHALLENGER. The CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO was eliminated almost immediately from consideration after talks with the Southern Pacific. The SP would not even consider domes operating across the Sierra on their route between Ogden and Oakland. The scenery found along the remainder of the Overland route other than Sherman Hill was not considered for domes.
The UP eliminated the CITY OF DENVER route for this same reason, and the fact that this train was mostly an overnight route. Even though the major competition on the Chicago – Denver route the CB&Q was operating the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR, although this was actually a through train to the west coast and operated the Chicago – Denver portion of the trip on a slower schedule than their DENVER ZEPHYR. At this time the DENVER ZEPHYR was operating with the original 1936 train sets. It is not known if the UP was aware that the CB&Q was planning new dome equipped DENVER ZEPHYRS at this time or not. In any case the only other competition in the Chicago – Denver route the Rock Island was actually no threat to the UP or CB&Q as their ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKET operated on a slower schedule and the ROCK ISLAND never owned domes.
This left the UP with the CITY OF PORTLAND, CITY OF LOS ANGELES, CITY OF ST. LOUIS and CHALLENGER trains to be considered for domes. As it would turn out all four of these trains would receive one or more domes.
The three types of Astra Domes built for the UP were Coach, Dining Car, and Lounge Observations.
The Dome Coaches seated 36 passengers in leg rest seats in pairs with all revenue seating confined to the cars main level forward and aft of the dome. In the depressed center area of the cars were located the Women’s and Men’s restrooms with enough room for make-up in the ladies and shaving in the men’s. These long distance cars featured less seating than there Budd counterparts whose long distance dome coaches seated 46 leg-rest seats on the main level in the area ahead of and behind the dome. Likewise large restrooms were located beneath the domes in the Budd built cars that operated in the COLORADO EAGLE, CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR, NORTH COAST LIMITED later EMPIRE BUILDER and DENVER ZEPHYR. The 24 seats in paired settees in the dome of the up cars were angled outward for better views of the passing scenery. Even so most passengers preferred the Budd built domes for viewing and this was especially true for those who took pictures from the dome. In the up AC&F built domes single curved panes of glass were used and in the case of Budd and Pullman Standard separate side pieces and roof pieces of glass were used. This first group of Dome coaches for the UP numbering ten were assigned to the CHALLENGER between Chicago and Los Angeles, and the CITY OF PORTLAND between Chicago and Portland one per consist. They were added to each of those trains consists as they arrived on the Union Pacific from the factory in St. Charles outside St. Louis.

24-SEAT ASTRA-DOME 36-SEAT LEG-REST COACHES American Car & Foundry December 1954-January 1955 (Built for and assigned to CHALLENGER and CITY OF PORTLAND)

7000 – 7009
The next domes to arrive on the UP were the Dome Lounge Observations. These cars numbered fifteen and were built for three trains the CHALLENGER, CITY OF PORTLAND and CITY OF LOS ANGELES. The rear of each flat observation was equipped with a large neon sign with the train name emblazoned upon it. The Astra-Dome Lounge Observations featured a pair of restrooms and a card room in the short main floor area forward of the dome with one large round table and seating for six. Even though signs were posted stating it was illegal to gamble some of the poker games on the CITY Domeliners cost many passengers hundreds and even thousands of dollars, particularly on the CITY OF LOS ANGELES and CITY OF ST. LOUIS. Beneath the dome was a nine-seat cocktail lounge and full service bar. The mural behind the bar depicted the Golden Spike Ceremony at Promontory, Utah. To the rear of the dome area on the main level of these cars was a desk and chair behind the stairway to the dome level and a lounge with settees, sofas and single chairs to seat 21-passengers occupying the Observation end. Initially the Astra-Dome Observations were assigned to the CHALLENGER, CITY OF LOS ANGELES and CITY OF PORTLAND one per consist bringing up the markers. Those originally assigned to the CHALLENGER were transferred to the CITY OF ST. LOUIS within three months of entering service. This gave the CITY OF ST. LOUIS its first dome giving it the status of Domeliner as well. The reason for this transfer was that the CHALLENGER was a coach train and the CITY OF ST. LOUIS was coach and sleeping car train and the UP management thought the Astra-Dome Lounge Observations should be assigned to trains that carried first class passengers. Within a year of the Astra-Dome Lounge Observations entering service the square observation ends were fitted with a diaphragm for mid-train operation. The cars kept their observation end except for the modification to the door and addition of the diaphragm. Rail fans everywhere missed the loss of the beautiful neon tail signs. They were probably the largest tail signs ever fitted to a streamlined train. The cars were than transferred mid-train operating behind the dining cars.

24-SEAT ASTRA-DOME 37-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS American Car & Foundry February – April 1955 (Built for and assigned to CHALLENGER – CITY OF LOS ANGELES – CITY OF PORTLAND – later CITY OF ST.LOUIS)

9000 – 9014

In April – May 1955 the UP received the ten Astra-Dome Dining cars from American Car & Foundry to complete the initial dome order. These cars were among the most elegant dining cars to grace the rails during the streamliner period. The short main floor level ahead of the dome was for the Kitchen with a passageway for passengers along the left side. A pantry occupied half the area beneath the dome and the other half of the area beneath the dome was occupied by a private dining room with two tables for five. This area was also used during peak travel times as additional dining space. The large main floor dining area to the rear of the dome was occupied by the main dining room with three large round tables for four on the right side of the car and three small round tables for two on the left side of the car. In the Astra-Dome it was three booths for four on the left side and three booths for two on the right side. The forward five feet of the dome was occupied by a small pantry serving area with toaster, small refrigerator, ice-machine, small sink, and pneumatic dumbwaiter to the kitchen where the food was prepared. The dumbwaiter brought the food from the kitchen to the smart waiter (the one who collected the tips) for service to the passengers. These Astra-Dome dining cars were assigned to the CITY OF PORTLAND and CITY OF LOS ANGELES. This gave the CITY OF PORTLAND the distinction of being the only UP Domeliner that operated year round with al three types of domes.

ASTRA-DOME 46-SEAT DINING CARS American Car & Foundry April – May 1955 (Built for and assigned to CITY OF LOS ANGELES and CITY OF PORTLAND)

8000 – 8009

Those domes built in 1954-1955 were for assignment as follows for the following trains and were decorated accordingly.
CHALLENGER

Astra-Dome Coaches 7000 – 7004

CITY OF PORTLAND

Astra-Dome Coaches 7005 – 7009

CITY OF LOS ANGELES

Astra-Dome Dining Cars 8000 – 8004

CITY OF PORTLAND

Astra-Dome Dining Cars 8005 – 8009

CITY OF LOS ANGELES

Astra-Dome Lounge Obs. 9000 – 9004

CITY OF PORTLAND

Astra-Dome Lounge Obs. 9005 – 9009

CHALLENGER
Later
CITY OF ST. LOUIS

Astra-Dome Lounge Obs. 9010 – 9014

The Union Pacific switched from Chicago and Northwestern east of Omaha to Chicago to Milwaukee Road beginning October 30, 1955. This change made no difference in running times of trains between Chicago and Omaha. The Milwaukee Road repainted their passenger cars to streamliner colors and the home-built Milwaukee cars began infiltrating the Domeliner fleet as well as other UP trains.
Beginning in January 1958 the CITY OF DENVER became a Domeliner with the addition of a pair of former OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA full-length domes to the overnight streamliner. These two full length domes had actually become surplus as the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was operated combined with the MORNING HIAWATHA eastbound between Twin Cities and Chicago and westbound combined with the AFTERNOON HIAWATHA between the Chicago and the Twin Cities since 1957.
In January 1959 the UP combined the CITY OF DENVER and CITY OF PORTLAND between Chicago and the mile high capital of Colorado. The CITY OF PORTLAND already operated with the three AC&F domes in it’s consist so the Milwaukee Road domes were returned.
These were the only domes ever built by American Car & Foundry, and when the UP turned to them once again in 1958 for additional dome coaches to be assigned to the CITY OF ST. LOUIS they were turned down. AC&F was already phasing out of the passenger car business and offered the car plans and specifications to Pullman Standard after UP turned to them for these additional dome coaches. These six dome coaches built by Pullman Standard were unlike any other domes built by this manufacturer as the domes were identical to the earlier dome coaches built for the UP by AC&F. Pullman Standard took AC&F up on their offer for the plans and specifications of the dome coaches. Actually UP insisted the cars be built to these specifications and AC&F reluctantly provided the plans to Pullman Standard to build the cars. After all AC&F was still in the freight car building business and the UP was one of there best customers.
The six new Astra Dome Coaches were delivered to the Union Pacific in November – December 1958 and became the last new dome cars built for a railroad in the United States. These six cars were numbered UP 7011 – 7015 and Wabash 203 built for assignment to the CITY OF ST.LOUIS giving that train an Astra – Dome Coach and Astra – Dome Lounge Car.
The CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO eventually became a Domeliner beginning in September 1960 when the UP combined the CITY OF LOS ANGELES and CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO between Chicago and Ogden, Utah. The SP assigned one of their ¾ length domes to the CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO consists west of Ogden giving this last of the CITY streamliners Domeliner status.
The CHALLENGER ran combined in the slower seasons with the CITY OF LOS ANGELES beginning as early as 1956. By 1964 the UP was operating a so called CITY OF EVERYWHERE with the CITY OF LOS ANGELES – CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO – CITY OF DENVER – CITY OF PORTLAND – CHALLENGER operating as one train between Chicago west as far as North Platte, Nebraska where the CITY OF DENVER was uncoupled and operated as a separate train to Denver. The other combined trains ran as one to Green River, Wyoming where the CITY OF PORTLAND was separated and continued to its destination as a separate train. Next in Ogden the CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO split from the CITY OF LOS ANGELES and CHALLENGER and continued as a separate train west to Oakland. At Ogden the CITY OF ST. LOUIS was added to the CITY OF LOS ANGELES and CHALLENGER for the remainder of the trip to Los Angeles. Later the CITY OF ST. LOUIS would be added at Cheyenne, Wyoming for the trip to Los Angeles. When the CITY OF ST. LOUIS was dropped by the Waba***he train was renamed CITY OF KANSAS CITY and that became its eastern terminal. In the final year of operation before Amtrak the CITY OF EVERYWHERE operated domes in this manner.
CITY OF PORTLAND

Dome Coach Chicago – Portland

Dome Lounge Green River – Portland

CITY OF LOS ANGELES

Dome Coach Chicago – Los Angeles

Dome Lounge Chicago – Los Angeles

CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO

¾ Dome Lounge Ogden – Oakland

The Dome Dining cars and other dome coaches and lounges were stored by this time, as were many other cars.
The Union Pacific leased several dome coaches and lounges to Amtrak for a few months after the national passenger carrier took over the passenger trains from the railroads.
After that the UP sold off the dome cars with 4-dome coaches 7004,7008,7013,and 7014 going to the Alaska Railroad for use between Anchorage and Fairbanks and Seward and Anchorage.
The greatest numbers of UP dome cars thirty-three were sold to the Auto-Train Corporation for their trains between Lorton, Virginia and Sanford, Florida and later between Louisville and Sanford. For further information of these cars see the Auto-Train Chapter.
The UP retained three domes initially for there own business fleet. These were the 9004 one of the Astra-Dome Lounge cars originally built for CITY OF LOS ANGELES assignment, the car was named HARRIMAN in 1987 and was renamed SUN VALLEY in 1989. In 1990 the car was once again named HARRIMAN. It is in the UP Business fleet today.
The 8003 one of the Astra – Dome dining cars was retained by the UP for their business fleet until November 1971 when it was donated to the National Museum of Transport in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
The third Astra-Dome retained by UP was one of the coaches 7006 for excursion use. On January 19, 1987 the car was sold to the FNM in Mexico.
Today the UP Business and Excursion fleet operate nine dome cars all ex UP cars repurchased from other owners. Unlike when the cars operated in scheduled UP service with numbers only the cars all named as well for excursion and business fleet service today.
The 9004 HARRIMAN was the only car to have always remained in UP ownership.
The 9005 WALTER DEAN was initially sold to Auto-Train in May 1972 and was numbered 904 although the number was never actually applied. In December 1981 the car was sold at the Auto-Train liquidation auction to Great America Tours on Rail “GATOR Route” and assigned Amtrak excursion number 800621. The UP repurchased the car in March 1988 and named the car HARRIMAN in 1989. In 1990 UP renamed the car WALTER DEAN the name it carries today.
The UP 9009 was sold to Auto-Train in May 1972 and renumbered 908. Sold at the Auto-Train liquidation auction in December 1981 to American Law Center in San Jose CA. It is believed they planned to refurbi***he car for operation between their Florida and California offices. Apparently the car was never paid for and was forfeited to Dixie Rail Corporation of Savannah, Georgia in March 1982. Sold to a private owner in Missilon, Ohio in October 1984. Became Northern Railcar/Scenic Rail Dining “RIVERS EDGE” in 1987. Car was sold to Transisco Tours for the Sierra 49er service between San Jose and Reno numbered and named 800556 ZEPHYR COVE in 1991. Leased to KLS&C Wine Country Dinner Train in August 1991. Sold to Union Pacific in May 1993 numbered and named 9009 CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO.
The UP 7001 one of the Astra – Dome coaches was sold to Auto-Train in June 1972 and renumbered 701 after modifications and repainting. At the Auto-Train liquidation auction in December 1981 the car was sold to a private owner in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Mid-America Car Company purchased the car in 1982 on behalf of the Kansas City Southern for their business fleet. In October 1990 the car was repurchased by the UP and today is numbered and named 7001 COLUMBINE.
The UP 7015 one of the Pullman Standard built Astra-Dome coaches of 1958 was sold to Auto-Train in June 1972 and after remodeling and repainting was numbered 709. This car was sold at the Auto-Train liquidation auction December 1981 to a private owner in Tulsa, Oklahoma. This car was resold to Mid-America Car Company in 1982 on behalf of the Kansas City Southern who planned to add the car to their business fleet. In October 1990 the car was sold to the UP who numbered and named the car 7015 CHALLENGER.
Astra-Dome dining car 8004 was sold to Auto-Train in June 1962, after remodeling and repainting the car was numbered 803. The car was sold at the Auto-Train liquidation auction in December 1981 to Anbel and assigned the reporting marks ANBX 2040. Scenic Rail Dining purchased the car in 1987 and named the car “SCENIC VIEW”. Northern Railcar purchased the car in January 1988 and sold the car to Transisco Tours for the Sierra 49er train in 1989 where the car was numbered and named 800560 CRYSTAL BAY. After returning to Northern Railcar the car was leased to KLS&C for their Wine Country Dinner train in October 1990. Northern Railcar sold the car to the Union Pacific in May 1993 who after repainting numbered and named the car 8004 COLORADO EAGLE.
Another UP Astra-Dome dining car 8008 was sold to Auto-Train in June 1972 who remodeled the car and numbered it 807 after repainting. At the Auto-Train liquidation auction in December 1981 the car was sold to a private owner in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Resold to Carland Division of Kansas City Southern Industries in 1982. Stored at Mid-America Car company in Kansas City. The car was to have become part of the KCS business fleet with the number 22 never applied. The Union Pacific purchased the car in October 1990 and renumbered the car 8008 at that time and added the name CITY OF PORTLAND.

Canadian
Pacific
(CP)
Streamlined Dome Cars
By Al

Canadian Pacific had planned for some time to introduce fully streamlined trains in the Montreal/Toronto to Vancouver route. While in the early planning stages for their future passenger car needs. The CP vice-president passengers along with several engineers etc. visited Budd’s Red Lion Plant just outside Philadelphia. The visit was near the beginning of December 1952. After a day of talks with Budd the CP executives were preparing to leave when they eyed a new stainless steel dome observation being prepared for delivery to the CB&Q. This car CB&Q 378 SILVER LOOKOUT a 3-double bedroom 1-drawing room bar lounge vista-dome lounge observation was being prepared for shipment to its new owner and operation in the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR and VISTA-DOME AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR. The CP executives were given a tour of the car and the idea for the CANADIAN was born.
So influenced was CP by this one car they would order eighteen nearly identical mates.
The CP ordered a total of 36 Scenic-Domes as they were called on the CP. These 36-domes were part of a total order for 172 Budd built cars for Canadian Pacific.
Eighteen of these cars were SKYLINE dome cars that featured besides a 24-seat dome 26-reclining leg-rest coach seats forward of the dome on the main level. Unlike most railroads where the short end of the car was forward, on the CP SKYLINE cars the long main floor level ahead of the dome was forward on the main level and included a boarding vestibule at this end. Below the dome was a kitchen and six seat dining area one table with seating for four and one with seating for two. The short end of the SKYLINE domes main level was occupied by a 17-seat Buffet area where meals were served, and the area served as a cocktail lounge during non-meal hours. The dome level was reserved for Coach Passengers in the SKYLINE domes. The cars basically served most coach passengers their meals, although coach passengers were permitted to dine in the full dining car.
The name Skyline was selected for these cars to honor a group of trail and Mountain hikers named the “Skyline Trail Hikers of the Canadian Rockies” a group formed in Banff, Alberta in 1933. Besides the name SKYLINE the cars were numbered 500-517. Only one SKYLINE dome was out of service by the time of transfer to VIA Rail Canada, that car was 508 wrecked in derailment of the CANADIAN April 17, 1965 near Terrace Bay, Ontario. Apparently the car was stored in Winnipeg until VIA Rail decided to scrap the car in December 1983.
The other group of Scenic-domes delivered to the CP by Budd were the 18-PARK cars so named as each of these 3-double bedroom 1-drawing room 12-seat Lounge Bar 13-seat Lounge Observations. These cars domes seated the standard 24. They were nearly identical to those built for the CB&Q-D&RGW-WP VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. The 18-CP cars were named for Canadian National and Provincial Parks. Eight of the 18 cars were named for parks in British Columbia; the remaining ten were 2 each for parks in Ontario, Alberta, and Quebec. And the remaining four were named for a park in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. A park did not represent only Newfoundland and Prince Edward Island, but then the Canadian Pacific Railway served neither province.
The cars were the perfect ending to what became one of the most talked about premier trains in the world the CANADIAN. The cars carried names only as follows with the park where the province is located in parenthesis.

ALGONQUIN PARK (Ontario)

ASSINIBOINE PARK (British Columbia)

BANFF PARK (Alberta)

EVANGELINE PARK (Nova Scotia)

FUNDY PARK (New Brunswick)

GLACIER PARK (British Columbia)

KOKANEE PARK (British Columbia)

KOOTENAY PARK (British Columbia)

LAURENTIDE PARK (Quebec)

PRINCE ALBERT PARK (Saskatchewan)

REVELSTOKE PARK (British Columbia)

RIDING MOUNTAIN PARK (Manitoba)

SIBLEY PARK (Ontario)

STRATHCONA PARK (British Columbia)

TREMBLANT PARK (Quebec)

TWEEDSMUIR PARK (British Columbia)

WATERTON PARK (Alberta)

YOHO PARK (British Columbia)

The CP PARK cars brought up the markers of both transcontinental trains the premier CANADIAN and secondary DOMINION. Each consist was assigned one each of the Scenic-domes. The first of the new Budd built cars arrived in July 1954 a sleeping car and ALGONQUIN PARK. They immediately went on a tour of the country to test passenger reaction to the new cars. Each of the new stainless steel cars featured a maroon letter board above the windows, with a matching 3” maroon stripe below the windows and a Beaver crest was applied to the sides of the cars near the boarding vestibule and the other end of the cars. On the rear of the PARK car was a lighted drumhead featuring a Beaver Crest and the trains name The CANADIAN. Years later when they were removed after the CP Rail image change they became collector’s items for railroad historians and others.
The CANADIAN was an all stainless steel train including the old heavyweight 14 section Tourist sleeping cars that received fluted stainless panels and were painted to match the otherwise stainless steel train sets.
The DOMINION was an interesting train as it carried a mixture of all maroon heavyweight and lightweight cars as well as many of the Budd cars in their consists as well. Both trains operated with a SKYLINE Dome and PARK Dome in each consist
The third Canadian Pacific train to operate with domes was the two consists of the ATLANTIC LIMITED that operated between Montreal and St. John, New Brunswick by a route that crossed the state of Maine nightly. Thus the ATLANTIC LIMITED was the only dome-equipped train to cross international boundaries in its overnight trips until the D7H began operating a pair of leased CPR SKYLINE domes between Albany and Montreal. .
The new CANADIAN was inaugurated April 24, 1955.
In later years after the DOMINION was discontinued these cars were assigned to operation in other CP trains such as the FRONTENAC, CHATEAU CHAMPLAIN, VIPER and ROYAL YORK.
Only one of the PARK cars was wrecked FUNDY PARK was rear ended by a steam locomotive leading a following train that failed to stop at a signal near Gull Lake, Saskatchewan July 9, 1959. This is the last case in North America where a steam locomotive destroyed a Budd Observation car, and the only incident of a steam locomotive destroying a Budd dome car. The remaining PARK cars were all transferred to VIA Rail Canada in 1978. See VIA Rail Canada for further details on the SKYLINE and PARK Scenic-domes.

24-SEAT SCENIC –DOME 26-SEAT COACH BUFFET 6-SEAT DINETTE KITCHEN 17-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Budd Company 1954-55 (Built for CANADIAN – DOMINION – ATLANTIC LIMITED – FRONTENAC – ROYAL YORK)

500 – 517

24-SEAT SCENIC – DOME 3-DOUBLE BEDROOM 1-DRAWING ROOM BAR 12-SEAT BEVERAGE ROOM 14-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company 1954-55 (Built for and assigned to CANADIAN and DOMINION)

15401 ALGONQUIN PARK

15402 ASSINIBOINE PARK

15403 BANFF PARK

15404 EVANGELINE PARK

15405 FUNDY PARK

15406 GLACIER PARK

15407 KOKANEE PARK

15408 KOOTENAY PARK

15409 LAURENTIDE PARK

15410 PRINCE ALBERT PARK

15411 REVELSTOKE PARK

15412 RIDING MOUNTAIN PARK

15413 SIBLEY PARK

15414 STRATHCONA PARK

15415 TREMBLANT PARK

15416 TWEEDSMUIR PARK

15417 WATERTON PARK

15418 YOHO PARK

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, June 24, 2006 5:13 PM
G'day!

Last time I had one of those conversations you referred to Al it cost us about a 3rd more on our annual insurance premium. Love it - they call to tell you they need this or that - you do the work and they raise the rates. Something just doesn't sit well with me about that kinda stuff.

While I don't have anything extensive or expansive in my book holdings that I'd want to provide extra insurance for, I surely do with my model RRs. That's one of those things that I do have inventories and Pix of (as you guys know! [swg]) Money could never replace the loss - no way, no how.

Sounds like you are in a broiler out where you live - no thanx! Best advice I can provide is stay indoors and enjoy the A/C! [tup]

By the by - THANX for providing those Posts running in tandem with mine both here and on "my other Thread!" What a team, eh [?] [tup] [tup] [tup]

The first planning Email has been sent to all who requested to be on distribution for our 2007 2nd Annual Rendezvous in St. Louis.


Later! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, June 24, 2006 4:15 PM
Good Afternoon Tom and whoever else might be out their. Time for a quick CR after all am still at the office for another hour. Temp 107 and no breeze.

Clean up lady was in this AM and don't know what she did with my Floppies I had on my desk.

Guess I will just have to wait until I can phone her.

Just got off the phone with my insurance man and he said I will have to supply them with a new list of all RR books and their present value for my homeowners policy. That is going to take me a month of spare time as I have four bookcases full, two cabinets and plastic tubs of RR magazines that half fill a closet. He says it is five years since I last supplied them with a list of my book collection and it needs to be brought up to date. I don't think I even have a copy of the old list to start from. That should keep me busy for a month or more.

Insurance man says the Companies are getting much tougher on replacement value without up to date lists and photos if possible. If unable to photgraph he suggested the list include book title, authors, publisher and year published ansd number of pages. He says the insurance companies are pretty good at coming up with values of book collections long out of print. He says he can personally vouch for the condition of the books in my collection as we are personal friends and he visits quite often. Thinks my Barrister Bookcases were a great investment in keeping the book collection dust free.

Enough of my rambling for now.

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:50 PM
G'day!

Now THAT's the idea of ENCORE! Saturday - nice one, Dave! My guess is there won't be but one or two to read it this fine day. Such is life in the "fast lane," eh [?]

You've probably saved yourself a bunch of money with the free rounds - unless of course the track gangs from the Can-Am, CP & CN arrive en masse - that could be expensive! [swg]

Here's a little "teaser" from "my other Thread," which has been seen before many times, but it looks sooooooooo good! [tup]

CP FP7A #1418 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:40 PM

E N C O R E S A T U R D A Y is upon us!! Quite observent sir Tom, i'm becoming quite the perfectionist in my old age. Why oh why did the computer tech demostrate the many functions of the edit key?? Now if my bleeping spell check would function, seems my computer thinks of it as Spam...Machines were supposed to make our life easier huh??

Afternoon Doug, Rob, Al whoever else is lurking about, I see we have a Union Pacific encore in our midst, keeping with the flavor of the west, couldn't resist adding my two cents from to not too distance past.

An observation: It appears that many of our patrons have not been availing themselfs of many offerings of late for a variety of reason. I hereby declare all rounds on me until midnight my time...


QUOTE: Originally posted by West Coast S


THE ERA OF THE SPECIAL DUTY SERIES ARRIVES ON THE SOUTHERN PACIFIC;

In 1952 EMD began production of a model that would come to signify the Southern pacific's answer for severe tonnage ratingsover sever grades and light trackage requirements, the SD7 packing 1700hp with the new twelve axle Flexcoil trucks and employing maxium ballast in the frame for enhanced traction.

SP could have placed this order for forty eight units with Baldwin or Alco, as both builders had a history of heavy road switcher deliveries to the SP, in the end, SP chose EMD reliability over increased horsepower per unit. SP wanted no surprises out on the road. Deliveries continued until mid 1954 when the SD9 sucessor was announced. They arrived wearing the standard switcher paint for units of over 1500hp of black carbody,silver ends and Daylight orange Tiger stripes, the famous "Black Window" colors were still a few years away for the SD7's.

Numbered 4301-4347 the SD7's were immediently assigned to the tough and grueling Shasta Division, were they not only replaced steam but F7's as well. The displaced F units migrated to the Donner crossing, until sufficient SD deliveries caused them to be homeless again.
No longer would it be required to mu ten or more F units to avoid burning traction motors when half the number of SD's could handle the task.

Beginning in 1954 and continuing until 1957, 148 of the improved 1750hp SD9's were deilvered, SP rostered the largest fleet of both versions, numbered 4401-4547 these units were delivered from the factory in the now standard Black widow. With these units SP could retire steam en mass.

Some of the SD7's, wore orginal switcher derived colors to the introduction of Grey and scarlet in 1961, the 7-9's were still considered first line mainline power, however, by 1965 with the arrival of newer power, SP reclassified them as heavy switchers and per standard practice renumbered them into the 3800 series, indvidule model classfication was no longer a factor. , however two SD9's escaped the renumbering 4450/4451 were reclassified as passenger power and retained their steam boilers for use on the Lathrop connection of the Daylight, considered the best scrubbed units on the road they were nicknamed "Huff and Puff" in difference to their lack of speed, they later migrated to the commute pool and saw service on company trains as well until retirement in 1984 .

The SD's reigned supreme on the North Western Pacifc, heavy lumber traffic, questionable track conditions and many grades required as many as six to get the job done and there they stayed until the Union Pacifc merger. The complete SD roster was included in the 1967-1973 GRIP rebuild program, SP had no intent to re-invent the wheel, but incorporate new technologies not available when built, the horsepower ratings was not changed, no chopped noses were applied, but improved traction motors/ wiring and filter/spark arrestors were installed and the rear hood stripped of all light packages and the number boards plated over. Despite being renumbered yet again back to the 4300/4500's and offically confined to yard/transfer service, SP dispatchers would find mainline assignments for them as the recovery began and SP was caught flat footed with not enough locomotives and increased business, on a rare occasion they could be observed in the lead position leaving much newer designs to the trailing postions well into the nineteen eighties. All divisions of the vast system rostered the SD series for helper duty, locals, branch at one time or another.

The final use of the 7-9's occured under Union Pacifc ownership when the final four serviceable units were assigned to duty out of Bakersfield in helper duty, lack of sufficient available ni the valley power caused UP to dispatch them in a pure set for one final mainline assignment in 1997. Thus writing the final chapter a magical era harking back to very begining of dieselization on the SP and the history of a remarkable locomotive series..

Dave
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:11 PM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 140


Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Union Pacific from an advertisement in The Official Guide of the Railways – Aug 1956



Overnight – Every night
between CHICAGO & DENVER
Streamliner ”CITY of DENVER”

THIS SMART STREAMLINER FEATURES . . .

* The very latest in Pullman equipment; de luxe
bedrooms with newly designed, convenient
lavatory facilities. Modern roomettes . . . no
need to step into the aisle to lower or raise bed.
Also long length, restful berths.

* Coach seats built for complete comfort. Stretch-
Out leg rests and reclining backs. All seats
Reserved.

* Unusually attractive dining car serving highest
Quality of freshly prepared foods.

* Beautiful club lounge for Pullman occupants
and distinctive tavern car ”The PUB” for all
passengers.

Early morning arrival in both Denver and Chicago


WESTBOUND
Lv. Chicago (Milw. Road) ………. 4:30 p.m.
Ar. Denver (U. P.) .……………….. 8:30 a.m.

EASTBOUND
Lv. Denver (U. P.) .……………….. 3:30 p.m.
Ar. Chicago (Milw. Road) ………. 8:45 a. m.

UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD



Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, June 24, 2006 11:23 AM
Good Morning Tom This is my last post before work Time for a double CR and a round for the house. That ought to see me through the day.

GREAT
NORTHERN
(GN)
Dining & Lounge Cars
by Al

The Great Northern became the first railroad to introduce new streamlined full service long distance trains following WW II. Pullman Standard between December 1946 and February 1947 delivered five train sets consisting of twelve cars each in time for the new EMPIRE BUILDERS inaugural February 23, 1947. Each of the new train sets featured three feature cars a 19-crew dormitory 10-seat lunch counter 10-seat lounge car, 36-seat dining car and a 2-double bedroom 1-drawing room buffet 27-seat lounge observation. The lunch counter dining car and the 36-seat dining car operated on a St. Paul-Chicago-Seattle-St. Paul cycle while all other cars operated Chicago-Seattle-Chicago. The lunch counter-lounge car was primarily for the use of coach passengers and the 36-seat dining car was for both coach and Pullman passengers. The sleeper-lounge observation was reserved for Pullman passengers only. One complete set of equipment was CB&Q owned the other four were Great Northern owned. The GN modernized and semi-streamlined a heavyweight dining car 1032 MINNESOTA, for standby service in the EMPIRE BUILDER if it became necessary to substitute for one of the trains fully streamlined diners. It was difficult to see if this car was operating in a EMPIRE BUILDER consist as the streamlining accomplished on this car by GN shops was excellent, the telltale was the six-wheel trucks under this car. The three feature cars of the 1947 edition of the EMPIRE BUILDER were both numbered and named.

19-CREW DORMITORY 10-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 10-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard January-February 1947 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER later WESTERN STAR)

GN

1140 WATERTON LAKE

1141 ST. MARY LAKE

1142 TWO MEDICINE LAKES

1143 COEUR D’ALENE LAKE

CB&Q

1144 RED EAGLE LAKE

36-SEAT DINING CARS Pullman Standard January – February 1947 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER later WESTERN STAR)

GN

1150 LAKE SUPERIOR

1151 LAKE McDONALD

1152 LAKE CHELAN

1153 LAKE JOSEPHINE

CB&Q

1154 LAKE MICHIGAN

2-DOUBLE BEDROOM 1-DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 27-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard January – February 1947 Plan: 4109 Lot: 6751 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER later WESTERN STAR)

GN

1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER

1191 MISSOURI RIVER

1192 FLATHEAD RIVER

1193 KOOTENAI RIVER

CB&Q

1194 MARIAS RIVER

The GN semi-streamlined a connecting train to the EMPIRE BUILDER that operated between Great Falls and Havre. This connecting train comprised a rebuilt and streamlined motorcar with a baggage compartment one heavyweight coach semi streamlined and the third car was a converted from a heavyweight coach. The car number 1059 ROBERT S. FORD featured 12-seat Dinette and 14 –seat Parlor for those passengers traveling first class on the main EMPIRE BUILDER either eastbound or westbound. The motorcar was replaced by a conventional diesel and baggage car after the hybrid was found unsatisfactory in maintaining the connecting service.
In order to give the commissary in St. Paul additional time in preparing the lunch counter lounge car and dining car for each days eastbound EMPIRE BUILDER the GN built an additional car of each of these types in their own shops. The GN built cars were both completed in July 1949 and were identical to the Pullman Standard built cars of 1947. The GN cars were painted and lettered for EMPIRE BUILDER service at the time of delivery.

19-CREW DORMITORY 10-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 10-SEAT LOUNGE CAR Great Northern Shops July 1949 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER pool later WESTERN STAR)
1148 DEVILS LAKE

36-SEAT DINING CAR Great Northern Shops July 1949 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER pool later WESTERN STAR)

1155 LAKE WASHINGTON

In June 1950 the GN introduced three completely new daytime 5-car streamliners. Two of these were the new INTERNATIONALS operating a three times daily round trip schedule between Seattle and Vancouver, British Columbia. Each of these American Car & Foundry built streamliners carried two feature cars. Each INTERNATIONAL train set carried a 28-seat coach 24-seat café car 1145 or 1146. Each cars kitchen separated the coach seating and café seating.
The Parlor Observations of the INTERNATIONALS provided a small buffet for the car attendant to serve first class passengers drinks from. These two beautiful cars featured a customs inspection room the small buffet a parlor bedroom 17-parlor seats and 17-seat lounge observation. These two cars were numbered and named 1195 PORT OF SEATTLE and 1196 PORT OF VANCOUVER.

28-REVENUE SEAT COACH KITCHEN 24-SEAT CAFÉ CARS American Car & Foundry May 1950 (Built for and assigned to INTERNATIONALS)

1145, 1146

CUSTOMS OFFICE BUFFET PARLOR BEDROOM 17-REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 17-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS American Car & Foundry May 1950 (Built for and assigned to INTERNATIONALS)

1195 PORT OF SEATTLE

1196 PORT OF VANCOUVER

The other five-car streamliner introduced in June 1950 was the RED RIVER between Grand Forks and St. Paul round trip daily. This train carried one feature car the Observation 1147 RED RIVER. This car offered an 8-seat dining room 9-seat lunch counter 16-seat Parlor observation.

8-SEAT DINING 9-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 16-SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATION American Car & Foundry May 1950 (Built for and assigned RED RIVER)

1147 RED RIVER

In December 1950 Pullman Standard delivered nine sleeping cars to the Great Northern one of these was a sleeper-lounge-observation identical to the earlier ones from Pullman Standard built for the EMPIRE BUILDER in 1947. The reason for the new cars was a sixth consist was needed for the inaugural of the WESTERN STAR a new streamlined train to be inaugurated on June 3, 1951 between Chicago and Seattle-Portland on a slower schedule than the EMPIRE BUILDER thus the need for six sets of equipment. Actually the new WESTERN STAR would operate using the 1947 EMPIRE BUILDER equipment and the EMPIRE BUILDER was reequipped with all new fifteen car consists inaugurated the same date June 3, 1951.

2-DOUBLE BEDROOM 1-DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 27-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Pullman Standard December 1950 Plan: 4109A Lot: 6878 (Built for and assigned to WESTERN STAR)

1197 PRIEST RIVER

The new 1951 EMPIRE BUILDERS provided three feature cars in each fifteen-car consist. For the coach passengers there was the new G-N Ranch car with its 14-seat lunch counter 12-seat dinette 18-seat lounge. Another of the 1951 EMPIRE BUILDER feature cars was new 36-seat dining car. The other feature car was the Buffet Lounge Observations. The Great Northern purchased six each of the feature cars in order to change all three out on their eastbound trip at St. Paul and fully replenished cars would be added at that time. American Car & Foundry constructed all three-feature cars along with the head end cars and 60-seat coaches. Pullman constructed the new EMPIRE BUILDERS Sleeping cars and 48 seat leg-rest coaches.
Great Northern referred to the large windows located in the lounge observations as picture windows. Each of these cars also carried three Roomettes one for the car attendant, one for the Pullman conductor and the third for the Traveling passenger representative carried on the EMPIRE BUILDER. Only the Great Northern would ever own streamlined observations with roomettes as accommodation. A buffet and 38-lounge seats in the observation occupied the rest of these cars. The Great Northern received six each of the feature cars for the Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDER.

G-N RANCH 14-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 12-SEAT DINETTE 18-SEAT LOUNGE CARS American Car & Foundry May 1951 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER)

1240 CROSSLEY LAKE

1241 RUNNING CRANE LAKE

1242 HIDDEN LAKE

1243 ICEBERG LAKE

1244 WHITE PINES LAKE

1245 WHITEFISH LAKE

36-SEAT DINING CARS American Car & Foundry May 1951 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER)

1250 LAKE OF THE ISLES

1251 LAKE WENATCHEE

1252 LAKE ELLEN WILSON

1253 LAKE UNION

1254 LAKE MINNETONKA

1255 LAKE OF THE WOODS

3-CREW ROOMETTE BUFFET 38-SEAT PICTURE WINDOWED LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS American Car & Foundry May 1951 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER)

1290 APPEKUNNY MOUNTAIN

1291 ST. NICHOLAS MOUNTAIN

1292 GOING-TO-THE-SUN MOUNTAIN

1293 CATHEDRAL MOUNTAIN

1294 TREMPALEAU MOUNTAIN

1295 LITTLE CHIEF MOUNTAIN

For there next trains to be modernized the Great Northern turned to the 944-949 series of prewar 58-seat coaches that had served in the heavyweight EMPIRE BUILDER. Six of these 58-seat cars were assigned to the BADGER-GOPHER with two of the cars having seating reduced to 44. The reason for the seat reduction in cars 944 and 945 was a Train Sales Galley was installed in these cars for an attendant to travel through the coaches offering hot and cold drinks sandwiches and snacks. One of these cars was assigned to each GOPHER train set doubling in the BADGER service as well. These cars operated a round trip daily between St. Paul and Duluth.
In addition to the two train sales galley equipped coaches the GN shops modernized and remodeled to heavyweight Pullman Standard coaches originally built as parlor cars into Café Parlor Observations for the postwar BADGER-GOPHER service. The two cars when completed by GN shops featured a 10-seat Dinette and 26-seat Parlor Observation.
Pullman sold heavyweight parlor cars CORDELIA and NATALIE to the GN in June 1942. The GN rebuilt both to coaches numbering them 1083 and 1084 respectively. When the two cars were shopped in April 1952 they emerged as fully modern streamlined appearance Café Parlor Observations with squared off rear observation ends. After rebuilding the cars retained the numbers 1083 and 1084 but names were added 1083 was named TWIN CITIES and 1084 was named TWIN PORTS.
In June 1953 the CB&Q sold WESTERN STAR cars 1144-RED EAGLE LAKE and 1154-LAKE MICHIGAN to the Great Northern. The cars retained the same numbers in GN ownership.
In September 1953 the GN transferred one set of the Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDER equipment to CB&Q ownership. The three feature cars transferred to CB&Q ownership were 1243 ICEBERG LAKE, 1250 LAKE OF THE ISLES and 1291 ST. NICHOLAS MOUNTAIN.
In August 1954 the GN shops completed the rebuilding of two heavyweight dining cars into modernized coach dining cars for service in the CASCADIAN the GN trains that operated on a daylight schedule between Seattle and Spokane daily in each direction. Once again the GN assigned 938-943 series coaches to these trains and the two Café-Dining cars numbers 1060 and 1061. These two cars were originally heavyweight dining cars 1030 OREGON and 1031 WISCONSIN, when modernized by GN shops they resembled lightweights except for there telltale six wheel trucks. The interiors were fitted with 18-reserved coach seats at one end and a 16-seat Café at the other end of these cars. They carried the train name on either side of the vestibule and were equipped with a red mars light to bring up the rear of the CASCADIAN trains.
The two cars were assigned to the DAKOTAN trains after the CASCADIANS had been discontinued.
In March 1956 GN rebuilt two of their 16-Duplex Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping cars 1175 OBERLIN GLACIER and 1177 HARRISON GLACIER. When the two cars emerged from the shops it was with new numbers and names 1198 MANTOBA CLUB and 1199 WINNIPEG CLUB. The new interiors fitted contained 8-Duplex Roomettes 2-Double Bedrooms Buffet 12-seat Dinette 12-seat Lounge. The two cars were rebuilt for the overnight WINNIPEG LIMITEDS between St. Paul and Winnipeg.

8-DUPLEX ROOMETTE 2-DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 12-SEAT DINETTE 12-SEAT LOUNGE CARS (Rebuilt March 1956 assigned to WINNIPEG LIMITED)

1198 MANITOBA CLUB originally 1175 OBERLIN GLACIER

1199 WINNIPEG CLUB originally 1177 HARRISON GLACIER

TTFN Al
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, June 24, 2006 10:25 AM
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first Posted on page 137


PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #8

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this advertisement out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

Great Northern(GN)


Great Way To CALIFORNIA via the Pacific Northwest

Chicago-Minneapolis-St. Paul-Spokane-Seattle & Portland-San Francisco-Los Angeles

TOWERING PEAKS in Glacier National Park in the Montana Rockies.

LOFTY MT. RAINIER looks over Seattle and Tacoma.

GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE is only one of the fascinating sights awaiting travelers in San Francisco.

Rail Fare to San Francisco is no more on Great Northern’s incomparable Great Dome EMPIRE BUILDER

To delight travel-experienced patrons who are planning a fall trip to California, suggest that they route themselves via the Pacific Northwest.

Great Northern’s EMPIRE BUILDER, now with Great Domes for both coach and Pullman passengers, takes the northern route across the nation - - more than two thousand miles of truly superb scenery.

Your patrons will thank you for sending them on a route where they can see the Mississippi River Palisades, Glacier National Park, the Rocky Mountains of Montana and Idaho. the Cascades of Washington and Oregon.

Connections with fine trains to and from California in Seattle or Portland. Rail fare from Chicago to San Francisco is no more via Great Northern.

For information:
P. G. Holmes
Passenger Traffic Manager
Great Northern Railway
St. Paul 1, Minnesota


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, June 24, 2006 10:11 AM
G'day!

Just a quickie - happy to see our two "earstwhiles" from opposite coasts join in this AM! [tup] [tup]

Email received and responded to, Doug - thanx! Also great beginning to the ENCORE! Saturday Posts - [tup] [tup] [tup]

No need to conceal the "ID" of the team that got it's butt whooped big time in ChiTown (except the last game - see my previous commentaries . . . ). The St. Louis Cardinals looked like amateurs during those first two games. Then then dropped another last night in the Motor City. Doldrums has hit my guys, except for our "big gun."
The AL surely has put the whammy on the NL over the past several years . . . .

That is quite a "list" in your Joke today. Don't know whether to Tweet you for a Rules Violation (I'm sure we can find one! <grin>) or simply roll with it . . . . taking a page out of "The Book of Twenty Fingers," eh [?] [swg]

Pehaps you'll get an offer for your trains, Ted!! [(-D] Appraisals - such a subjective venture to say the least. Once upon a time in another life - not that long after retirement and college - I decided to look into what it took to become an appraiser of real estate.
Without boring everyone to tears, I got my sales and brokers licenses - got "hired" by an outfit supposedly specializing in business real estate - thought they were going to train me - but later found out it was all smoke 'n mirrors. They just wanted "cold calls" and the like - that was it for me. Have no use for any of it . . . used to have a term for people like them - Shysters (sp).

No "themes" today Al, but nice compliment to the ENCORE! SAL [tup]

That KCity flood of 1951 was indeed a doozy. Had an uncle who went to a convention out there when it all broke loose. I was supposed to meet him in KC once the business aspect was over, and he was going to take me to the "sights." It would have been a great adventure for a kid - rail from NYC to KC and all of that. Alas, it didn't happen due to the situation wrought upon the area. I do recall seeing the pictures in the papers - didn't have TV then.

Why does a retired guy work on Saturdays [?] You are retired, aren't you Al] [?] Thought all truckers had lucritive retirement plans! [swg]

Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:30 AM
A happy Saturday mornin' to everyone who's got no place else to go and the "Honey Do" list is mercifully brief, gasp! Tom yes, it is early but a C.R. and soda w/twist will give me a much better outlook on life, if you please, thanks. I'll make yet another "pitch" for old Jack to attend the Thread today. We get together again shortly and, hopefully, my powers of persuasion will prevail. Rob, if it is traction, "Lafayette," I'll be there![^] Just having trouble getting my steed to "drink the water." Thanks for your precautionary concerns re: HEMC mortgage, very thoughtful.[tup] I watched the KCity flood of 1951 on a brand new Zenith T.V., 10" B & W screen.[(-D] It broke my adolescent heart to see the West Bottoms yards (R.R. and Cattle) just disappear under the swirling cascade of brown sludge, a.k.a. the Missouri, Kansas and Blue rivers.[V] Bloated cattle carcasses, whole houses, semi trailers, you name it, could be seen bobbing along in the rushing current. Then a barge gouged open a gasoline storage tank and the real hell began. That was a blow KCity's packing industry never fully recovered from and just when I was getting accustomed to the stench of Cudahay, Armour, Swift, etc. vapors wafting on the northerly winds.[xx(] So, there is impathy for your loss up in Ontario.[V] 'Course now that I'm in Florida, "I've grown accustomed to the pace." OUCH! Hey Barndad, good stuff on the bad stuff from those early years of labor strife and mayhem. I guess the Pullman Strike and Hay Market Square slaughter eclipsed all other incidents in the Chicago area? Tom, good selection for the Encore. S.A.L. certainly ran some "classy" looking streamliners and their schedules south of Richmond were pretty darn good too. Oh BTW, I wasn't really talking to the wind last night, just missed your "sign off" by a few minutes.[:O] Leon already knows that I'm meshugge, so he paid me no mind (get it?).[tdn]

Like most of you, I'm anxiously awaiting detailed reports from the Old Country, i.e. Pete, our Ambassador to the Queen and Eric reporting vicariously via Phoenix, AZ from the Land of die hubshes Blondes Madels, Sweden.[^] Right now, however, it is back to yard work (89 deg. F, 89 % hum.) so the appraiser can, at least, see the house from the street. Inside, you ask? Frankly gentlemen, It has me worried. What will he/she think of all the G and HO gauge rolling stock scattered about indiscretly in nearly every room? Okay Boris, where is the door knob I brought for you? Oh, I see, it works better than Preperation H?[:(!] I'm outta here!!!
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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:04 AM
Good Morning Tom and all the other early risers. Time for a cup of coffee then its off to work.

Ted Just wanted to comment about Santa Fe operating foreign sleeping cars. The Super Chief ran with Santa Fe sleepers only this included the transcontinental sleepers that ran in that train they suppled the through sleeping cars to New York via the PRR and NYC and through cars to Washington via the B&O.
In the case of the Chief it was not unusual to see through sleeping cars in NYC, PRR and B&O liveries operating into Los Angeles.
Another class act was the GN who operated a through Storage Mail car westbound in the Empire Builder between St. Paul and Spokane daily. The car originated in Chicago and operated over the Milwaukee Road between Chicago and St. Paul. The GN supplied all of the streamlined Baggage Cars for this service and even lettered them for the Empire Builder now that's class.

SEABOARD
AIR
LINE
Streamlined sleeping Cars
by Al

The SAL operated a fleet of coach streamliners second to none by the end of WW II the SILVER METEORS.
The most famous SAL train was the ORANGE BLOSSOM SPECIAL an all heavyweight Pullman train. The ORANGE BLOSSOM SPECIAL became the first SAL train assigned diesels for power an A-B-A set of EMD E4 units. With a head start like that one would have thought the ORANGE BLOSSOM SPECIAL would have been the first SAL train to receive lightweight streamlined sleeping cars following WW II. But such was not the case the SAL never streamlined the ORANGE BLOSSOM SPECIAL instead they chose to buy additional coach streamliners and add streamlined sleeping cars to those trains.
Premier train of the SAL became the SILVER METEOR followed by the SILVER STAR and SILVER COMET.
The SILVER METEOR was actually two trains in one carrying cars for both coasts of Florida to and from Florida. The trains split at Wildwood with the main section then continuing on to Miami and the other section running to St. Petersburg.
The second of the SILVER prefix trains to enter service was the SILVER COMET between New York and Birmingham, Alabama. Both of these trains received their first lightweight streamlined sleeping cars in 1949. Unlike most streamliners of the day that carried both Coaches and sleeping cars the SILVER COMET and SILVER METEOR sleeping cars were carried forward directly behind the Head End cars ahead of the coaches separated by a dining car. Initially the SILVER METEOR and SILVER COMET offered only Roomettes, Bedrooms and Drawing Rooms. The Drawing Rooms were Double Bedrooms opened in suite.
Three groups of lightweight streamlined Sleeping cars arrived in 1949 from three different manufacturers American Car and Foundry delivered three 6 Double Bedroom Buffet 24 seat Lounge cars in August 1949 for assignment to the SILVER COMETS between New York and Birmingham and these cars were named accordingly. Before the cars entered service the SAL reassigned them to the SILVER METEOR train sets between New York and Miami. The other two orders were both for 10-6 sleeping cars from both Budd and Pullman Standard. An interesting fact about the Pullman Standard built 10-6 sleeping cars is they were ordered with fluted stainless steel roofs to match the SILVER METEORS Budd built cars. Apparently Pullman had so many problems with these roofs they ended up ordering them from Budd. In any case Pullman Standard would accept no further orders for sleeping cars with fluted roofs. These sixteen cars with the fluted roofs built for the SAL and RF&P were probably the heaviest 10-6 sleeping cars ever constructed. Those Budd built 10-6 sleeping cars numbered 12 with six owned by the SAL and six owned by the PRR. These cars were pooled with the Pullman Standard built 10-6 sleeping cars and assigned to the SILVER METEORS and SILVER COMETS.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard May - June 1949 (Built for and to SILVER METEOR - SILVER COMET)

SAL
25 RICHMOND

26 PETERSBURG

27 NORFOLK

28 PORTSMOUTH

29 RALEIGH

30 COLUMBIA

31 SAVANNAH

32 JACKSONVILLE

33 ORLANDO

34 TAMPA

35 CHARLOTTE

36 ATLANTA

37 BIRMINGHAM

RF&P

CHESTERFIELD

ESSEX

LANCASTER

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Budd Company June - August 1949 Plan: 9503 Lot: 9660-025 (Built for and assigned to SILVER METEOR and SILVER COMET trains)
SAL

38 ST. PETERSBURG

39 SARASOTA

40 WINTER HAVEN

41 LAKE WALES

42 WEST PALM BEACH

43 MIAMI

PRR

8333 ATHENS

8334 BRADENTON

8335 CHESTER

8336 CLINTON

8337 ATLANTA

8338 BIRMINGHAM

6 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 24 SEAT LOUNGE CARS American Car & Foundry August 1949 Plan: 9003 Lot: 3045 (Built for SILVER COMET and assigned to SILVER METEOR until 1956 then reassigned to SILVER COMET trains)

15 RED MOUNTAIN

16 STONE MOUNTAIN

17 KENNESAW MOUNTAIN

The Seaboard Air line ordered new lightweight streamlined sleeping cars in 1955 to upgrade the SILVER METEOR, SILVER STAR and SILVER COMET trains.
The first of the new cars delivered were six 4 Section 4 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom 1 Compartment Sleeping cars from Budd delivered in November 1955. These six cars were assigned to the SILVER STARS the only new sleeping cars ever built for operation in this train. Each of the three consist were assigned two of the new car per consist with one a New York - Miami car the other a New York - St. Petersburg car.

4 SECTION 4 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT SLEEPING CARS Budd Company November 1955 Plan: 9537 Lot: 9658-168 (Built for and assigned to SILVER STAR)

50 BAY PINES

51 SOUTHERN PINES

52 PINEHURST

53 CAMDEN

54 HENDERSON

55 CEDARTOWN

From Pullman Standard came six 11 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars in December 1955 - January 1956 for assignment two per consist to the SILVER METEOR train sets. One car was a New York - Miami car the other a New York - St. Petersburg car.

11 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard December 1955 - January 1956 Plan: 4198A Lot: 6959 (Built for and assigned to SILVER METEOR)

70 OCALA

71 VENICE

72 HIALEAH

73 SEBRING

74 AVON PARK

75 TALLAHASSEE

Three 2 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars were delivered from Pullman Standard in January 1956. These three cars were built for the SILVER METEOR one per consist between New York and Miami but the cars often ran in the SILVER STAR in the winter months when the PRR assigned IMPERIAL series 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars to the SILVER METEOR.

2 COMPARTMENT 2 DRAWING ROOM 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard January 1956 Plan: 4201 Lot: 6970 (Built for and assigned to SILVER METEOR)

60 BOCA GRANDE

61 FORT LAUDERDALE

62 CLEARWATER

The three most talked about cars in railroad circles were the three 5 Double Bedroom Sun Lounge cars built for the SILVER METEOR trains to operate between New York and Miami. These cars featured windows in the roof of the lounge area as well as large side windows for lounge passengers to enjoy the view from. These cars were named for Florida Beaches and with their delivery at last freed the MOUNTAIN series 6 Double Bedroom Lounges for operation in the SILVER COMETS the trains they were originally intended for. The Sun Lounges were the closest thing to a dome car to operate in the Northeast corridor under the PRR wire.

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 21 SEAT SUN LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard January 1956 Plan: 4202 Lot: 6970 (Built for and assigned to SILVER METEOR)

18 MIAMI BEACH

19 PALM BEACH

20 HOLLYWOOD BEACH

The above were the only cars acquired by the SAL until after merger with the ACL July 1, 1967 when all sleeping cars owned by the former SAL and ACL would be consolidated under the SCL banner. In July 1969 ownership of all SCL sleeping cars was transferred to Hamburg Industries and leased back to the Seaboard Coast Line for operation.

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, June 24, 2006 7:06 AM
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first Posted on page 115


Here’s another Passenger RRFallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Seaboard Air Line (SAL)



Headquarters: Norfolk, VA

Route mileage in 1950: 4,146

Locomotives in 1963: Diesels – 531

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars - 27,560; Passenger cars – 446

Principal routes in 1950:

Richmond, VA-Homestead, FL (Miami) via Columbia, SC & Jacksonville & Auburndale, FL
Coleman-St. Petersburg, Fl
Hamlet, NC-Savannah, GA
Norlina, NC-Norfolk
Hamlet-Birmingham, AL
Savannah, GA – Montgomery, AL
Baldwin-Chattahoochee, FL
Baldwin-Gross, FL (bypass of Jacksonville)
Waldo-Sulphur Springs, FL
Plant City-Fort Myers, FL
Durant-Venice, FL
Hull-Port Boca Grande, FL
Valrico-West Lake Wales, FL

Passenger trains of note:

Cotton Blossom (Washington, DC-Atlanta)
Gulf Wind (Jacksonville-New Orleans)
New York-Florida Limited (New York-Miami)
Orange Blossom Special (New York-Miami)
Palmland (New York-Tampa & Boca Grande, FL)
Silver Meteor (New York-Miami & St. Petersburg & Venice & Ft. Myers)
Silver Comet (New York- & Portsmouth, VA-Birmingham)
Silver Star (New York-Miami & St. Petersburg & Venice & Boca Grande, FL)
Sunland (Washington & Portsmouth-Miami & Venice; formerly Southern States Special, Sun Queen & Camellia)
Suwannee River Special (Cincinnati-Florida destinations)

Of note: SAL passenger trains were handled by RF&P & PRR north of Richmond.
L&N handled the Gulf Wind west of Chattahoochee.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 24, 2006 6:35 AM
Good morning Tom and all! I'll have THREE light breakfasts to celebrate a certain string of victories, against a team that shall remain winless nameless!

Great to see participation from Al, BK, Pete, Lars and Dave these last few days, and thanks for your words. I gotta tell ya Ted, one of the things that is definitely missing from our train station at the IRM is the sound of the telegraph ticking away in the backgound. I don't know why they don't do something about that. I used to own one of those RS keys you mentioned, as I was practicing for a Ham radio license in a former life. As I understood the process, you had to atain a certain proficiency on morse code, so you could have a Ham license, and then eventually work your way up to a Ham license that allowed you to just use your voice on other expensive equipment! Never made sense to me.

Great ENCORE post on the British Rail for Pete, Mr. Tom. It's one of my favorites.

Rob has been a busy and major contributor (as always) these past few days. Thanks for the GTR, Thousand Island Railway and Cornwall Street Railway class steam articles. Pity that your car from the CSR was stripped of its copper. Around here, contruction sites are being raided for the copper used in plumbing and even electric wire, with prices being what they are. We have a couple of grade public crossings at the IRM. One is shared with the UP, and some braniac recently stuck a stop sign between the IRM rails and theirs, if you can believe that. Not too smart.

And now ...here's Part I of my ENCORE that started on page 249:

The Great Strike of 1877 by H.R. Edwards Railroad Stories Feb. 1936

The determination of Baltimore & Ohio officials to cut the wages of train and engine men in freight services on July 16th, 1877, at a time when flour was high and bread was scarce, led to the biggest railroad labor demonstration in American history.

It led to a walkout which tied up almost every road in fourteen states in that vast area of the Hudson River to the Mississippi and from Canada to Virginia. It led to mob rule which cost more than a hundred lives and the burning of property worth millions of dollars – an orgy of blood and fire which was stamped out by regular troops of the United States army in five of the fourteen states.

Of course, the wage reduction wasn’t the only point at issue. The men complained of irregular employment, since many were laid off away from home three or four days at a time in a single week, and of slow pay, since wages sometimes were held up as long as three or four months in a row. Then, too, it was the second ten per cent pay cut which the men suffered since the panic of 1873.

Logically, the strike should not have started on the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad, several other big roads had already imposed that second ten per cent pay cut before the B&O joined in the procession. Besides, the B&O had a pretty good excuse. John King, Jr., first vice president, explained that the great business depression which commenced in the autumn of 1873 had continued growing from bad to worse. The Baltimore & Ohio’s revenues had decreased greatly. Other trunk lines had reduced wages ten per cent, one of them on the first of June and two of them on the first of July.

“It will be observed,” stated King, “that the Baltimore & Ohio was the last company competing for the great trade of the West which made the second reduction of ten per cent. Since the panic of 1873, not only have rates of through freight and other traffic been reduced by severe and active competition, but the quantity in the aggregate has been diminished. Especially is this true in coal trade. And even with the (new) wage cut the average wages paid to train and engine men in freight service are 35 per cent higher than the wages paid in January, 1861, although the rates for through freight in 1861 were double those in 1877.”

King gave the following comparative figures for wages per day paid in B&O freight service:

…………….. January, 1861 ………………
…………………..Minimum…..Maximum
Conductors ………$1.35………$1.66
Brakemen…………$1.00………$1.33
Engineers…………$1.33………$3.00
Firemen…………..$1.11……….$1.75

…………….. July 16, 1877 ………………
…………………..Minimum…..Maximum
Conductors ………$1.80………$2.25
Brakemen…………$1.35………$1.58
Engineers…………$2.25………$2.93
Firemen…………..$1.35……….$1.53

The real reason behind the wage cut, of course, was the stupid competition for both freight and passenger service between New York and Chicago. This cut-throat competition had brought rates down to ridiculously low levels, often far below actual cost. For instance, livestock was carried from Chicago to New York, considerably over 900 miles, at a dollar a carload, and passengers were transported between the two cities for as little as $2,50 a round trip. Someone had to pay for those losses; the burden was passed on to the employees. Most of them accepted it without too much grumbling, but in Baltimore forty men in freight service showed resentment by leaving their trains, on the morning of July 16th, and declaring a strike.

The company answered their protest by hiring forty “scab” engine and trainmen in their place. But the strikers would not permit them to work. Assembling at Camden Junction, about three miles from the city, they stopped all freight trains and refused to let them run ni either direction. A drag from the West, bound for Locust Point, Md., was derailed by the strikers. The cars were smashed and the engine cab set afire.

Almost instantly the news flashed over the entire system. At Martinsburg, W.Va., where large B&O shops were located, a hundred members of train and engine crews joined the walkout and forcibly prevented new hands from operating the trains. Locomotives were uncoupled and run into sidings. A cattle shipment bound for Baltimore tried to pull out in Martinsburg. Strike sympathizers swarmed into the engine cab. One of them flourished a revolver and asked the scab engineer where he thought he was going.

“Tuh Baltimore,” replied to hoghead.
“Oh, no, you ain’t!” said the man with the gun. “You’re pulling this train back to the stockyards to be unloaded, and be *** quick about it!”

The train went back to the stockyards. Thereupon the railroad company sent a frantic telegram for help to the governor of West Virginia. The governor immediately sent seventy-five men of the Berkeley Light Infantry Guards, under the command of Captain C.J. Faulkner, Jr., who were rushed to Martinsburg on a B&O special.

Reaching Martinsburg, they unloaded into a crowd of about five hundred strike sympathizers. Threats and catcalls greeted them. Captain Faulkner put them to work at once, deploying them on both sides of a freight which a scab crew was attempting to take out of the city.

As the train reached a switch, a striker named Bill Vandergriff seized the switch ball to run it on a sidetrack. A militia man named John Poisal, who happened also to be the freight conductor, jumped from the pilot of the engine and attempted to replace the switch. What happened immediately after that will always remain a matter of controversy. Strike sympathizers insisted that Poisal fired the first shot. Poisal maintained later that Vandergriff carried a revolver and fired a bullet which grazed his cheek. This much is undisputed: Poisal and other militia men trained their revolvers on William Vandergriff, the striker. Vandergriff fell to the ground with bullet wounds in his hips, his head and arms.

In the excitement the scab crew took to their heels. Captain Faulkner rallied his men, issued command to march away. He saw the temper of the mob and was taking no more chances. The militia company went straight to the armory and ingloriously disbanded, leaving the strike sympathizers in possession of the field.

[:I] Men are just simply happier people, and here is why...

Your last name stays put.

The garage is all yours.

Wedding plans take care of themselves.

Chocolate is just another snack.

You can be President. You can never be pregnant.

You can wear a white T-shirt to a water park. You can wear NO shirt to a water park.

Car Mechanics tell you the truth.

The world is your urinal.

You never have to drive to another gas station restroom because this one is just too icky.

You don't have to stop and think of which way to turn a nut on a bolt.

Same work, more pay.

Wrinkles add character.

Wedding dress $5000. Tux rental-$100.

People never stare at your chest when you are talking to them.

The occasional well-rendered belch is practically expected.

New shoes don't cut, blister, or mangle your feet.

One mood all the time.

Phone conservations are over in 30 seconds flat.

You know stuff about tanks.

A 5 day vacation requires only one suitcase.

You can open all of your own jars.

You get extra credit for the slightest act of thoughtfulness.

If someone forgets to invite you, he or she can still be your friend.

Your underwear is $8.95 for a three-pack.

Three pairs of shoes are more than enough.

You never have strap problems in public.

You are unable to see wrinkles in your clothes.

Everything on your face stays its original color.

The same hairstyle lasts for years, maybe even decades.

You only have to shave your face and neck.

You can play with toys all your life.

Your belly usually hides your big hips.

One wallet and one pair of shoes one color for all seasons.

You can wear shorts no matter how your legs look.

You can "do" your nails with a pocket knife.

You have freedom of choice concerning growing a mustache.

You can do Christmas shopping for 25 relatives on December 24 in 25 minutes.

No wonder men are happier! [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, June 24, 2006 6:01 AM
G'day Gents!

Petrol rose to $2.86 (rounded) up at “Collusion Corner,” as someone must have sneezed in the area where the speculators are or at OPEC! Weather wise, we didn’t get the cool down expected, as we had an 88 (F) day – BUT the humidity dropped considerably. That’s always a help – lower temps on the way, so they say! [tup]


Double Ommmigosh! The world indeed is coming to an end here in the “River City”! Our Cardinals dropped yet another game last night, this time to the Tigers of Detroit. The only good thing is Señor Albert had some night in his 2nd game returning from the disabled list – looks like he picked up right where he left off a few weeks ago – 4 for 4 with his 26th homer. What a player! [tup] Wish he could pitch, too! [swg]


We had an 18-Post day (6 were mine) with 7 guys contributing – now that spells a good day! [tup] [tup] [tup] Nice to see the return to normalcy ‘round the joint! [yeah] Helps to have a “full house,” whether in Poker or in the Ether! [swg]


All kinds of Emails received and answered! <phew> Thanx to those of you who communicated – sorry if my replies were a bit tardy, was just a tad overwhelmed in that department with my 3 Email accounts all “humming!” [swg]

An Email mention was made regarding The Mentor Village Gazette and the next issue. Don’t know when or if . . . . we’ve been in the doldrums for so long, it seemed like a lot of effort for so few readers. So, we’ll see . . .
Actually, the daily Summary is a mini-paper of sorts . . . .

Also, was asked about the “next” RR from Yesteryear – I may go with an ENCORE! – I’ve got a couple in the “hopper,” but figured I’d wait until we get the guys back who generally provide the most participation with those – now that CM3 Shane has departed the building, perhaps reruns would be better. Again, we’ll see . . .

Finally, some comments and questions were directed my way regarding the “flap of the week,” which also has been addressed on these pages . . . RIP is the “word!” Thanx.


2nd Annual Rendezvous in St. Louis 2007 info was discussed in my 23 Jun 2006, 17:48:02 Post on this Page for those who may have overlooked it.


To the acknowledgments:

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 23 Jun 2006, 07:19:30 & 23 Jun 2006, 20:38:25

Previously recognized – and:

Good to see ya twice in the same day! [tup] We really cover the spectrum ‘round this place, eh[?] Trains (real ‘n model) – weather reports – petrol prices – financial advice – all kinds of “how to’s,” etc. AND all for FREE! [tup] [swg]


trolleyboy Rob Posted: 23 Jun 2006, 10:17:53 & 10:52:44 & 11:15:26 & 23 Jun 2006, 23:53:43

Previously recognized – and:

Nice effort, once again, and I can see that you’re heading to the ‘stars’ with this flourish of activity! <grin> Fully appreciate your comments regarding the flooding of those towns, now beneath the Seaway. Some call that kinda thing, “progress.” I doubt the ones being displaced had that name for it – in French or English! <groan>

That traction car you queried has this additional info:
QUOTE: 100 was built by American Car in 1917 as Alton Granite & St Louis 60. In 1926 the line was reorganized as the St Louis & Alton Ry and the car remained 60. In 1930 the IT took over the line and renumbered the car 100 in April 1931
(The Pix should have enlarged for you upon “clicking” to reveal the road name.)


BudKarr BK Posted: 23 Jun 2006, 12:41:03

Previously recognized . . . .


pwolfe Pete Posted: 23 Jun 2006, 12:58:27

Previously recognized . . . .


West Coast S Dave Posted: 23 Jun 2006, 14:47:34 (numerous Edits!)

Previously recognized . . . .


LoveDomes Lars Posted: 23 Jun 2006, 15:36:37 & 16:19:28

Previously recognized . . . .


passengerfan Al Posted: 23 Jun 2006, 18:20:09


Previously recognized . . . .


Okay boyz – it’s ENCORE! Saturday WHICH DOESN’T MEAN ONE CANNOT ENGAGE IN BANTER, DISCUSSION or POST WHATEVER ONE WANTS – It is simply a way to recognize that on traditionally slow days, why waste original material [?] The tempo will determine how things go . . .


That’s it for now. I’ll be behind the bar for the day! So, whatillyahave [?]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo

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