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[BudKarr]

Good Day Captain Tom and all assembled!

Once again a brunch seems to be the fashion of the day for us – so make it a #5, easy over and coffee for me, scrambled and tea for my lady – also a round of cheer for the guys at the bar! [tup]


Although I am simply dazzled by the conversation regarding this technology called DCC, it is an interesting subject. Lydia has already “bookmarked” several sites where the subject matter is taken literally from beginning to current stages. Doubt that I shall EVER read any of it! Honestly, you would think I am in school again with all the ‘assignments’ she finds for me to do! [swg] Then again, had I enjoyed a teacher like her – well, we would have made “news” long before it became fashionable to discuss those behaviors in the media! <grin>


Afraid I am a bit light on material this day – and it may be a harbinger of things to come. It is not that my interests have dwindled or the like, simply that the amount of time it takes to compose something hopefully intelligent and germane to the discussion is getting just a bit more difficult for me. My guess is others have experienced this as well. I will try to at least drop in as close to this time as possible – but should I miss a day or three, not to worry – I will be back! [tup]


You know, those traction photos over on “your other thread” are very interesting. They bring back memories for me from my youth and I find myself interested in that sort of thing. I am not one of those “good old days” soothsayers, but more so the realist – cannot ever go back, only forward. However, I do think the public transportation methods of yesteryear were far more efficient and traveled than we experience here in North America in the 21st century. I can relate to Tom’s observations regarding the numbers of vehicles on the roads these days. Even in this, something remote and out of the way place, cars everywhere and not just cars – SUVs, large “personal” trucks, etc. – all burning up the fossil fuels as if there is no tomorrow. A day of reckoning looming on the horizon, perhaps [?]


Nice to see the words from Rob – Lars - Doug – Al & Ted and hope that all is well with you gentlemen! [tup] Good to be amongst you again and hope to find something of interest to share, real soon!


Until then, have another on me! Boris ring that bell! [tup]


BK in Alberta, Canada’s beautiful high mountain country!

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Petrol is still holding at $2.68 (rounded) up at “Collusion Corner,” but expected to rise as the speculators and OPEC align forces to keep those prices per barrel above $70 (US). Makes me wonder WHY such a system is allowed to flourish when it is transparent as the day is long what the impacts are. My Gawd, how in the world are people able to get to and from their places of work, school and shopping on incomes considered to be the “living wage” [?]

Apparently we had a reprieve from the dire temp predictions of yesterday – we only made it to 97 (F) in my area, with oppressive, but not insufferable humidity (according to one of our WX men! Good Grief! [tdn] Today the “front” is expected and if all holds true to their guessing game approach to forecasting (synonymous terms!) we should be in the low 80s tomorrow. [yeah]

Ommmigosh! Is the world coming to an end here in the “River City” [?] Our Cardinals got thrashed once again by those nasty White Sox, this time ONLY 13 to 5 – that’s thirteen for THEM and five for us! <groan> And to think we have a weekend series in Detroit! <ugh>

Took a neighbor to the airport this AM and came away with this observation: I think gasoline needs to be pegged at the $15 per gallon mark in order for our highways to provide the lane space needed to safely navigate them. Good Gawd Gertie, I couldn’t believe the traffic on the three major Interstates I used – “chock blocked” in both directions – people heading to work, school, play, shopping, etc. – just a seemingly never ending chain of trucks, cars, not-many-buses, and whatever else comes with inflatable tires. Simply amazing. Happening all over, all of the time.


Is it time for an APB for coalminer3 CM3 [?] Looks like he’s been rather scarce since his brief Post back on Tuesday . . . C’mon back, Shane! [swg]

I like that discussion ensuing regarding DCC and model trains. It’s one that I’ve rehashed several times. Had many a phone conversation with our friend Fergie up in Nova Scotia about it, but still haven’t come to a conclusion for applicability with my own model railroading interests.

Goes like this for me: I honestly like the way my layouts are running and wired. For me, I enjoy the throwing of the toggles, the sliding of the switches and the assorted other things one must do to keep the pike in orderly operating condition. Labor intensive [?] Perhaps – but harkening back to what I just said, I like the way my layouts are running . . .

DCC (Digital Command Control) is the cat’s meow for many. I don’t argue or challenge the technology and applicability to our hobby. As many of you may recall, my three pikes were built from scratch and in the last couple of years or so. I had the opportunity to jump right in with DCC at the get go. I priced the stuff and thought about it – priced it again, thought about it some more, and went the “old fashioned way” with the HO – S – and O gauge layouts.

For me to convert now, just with the HO, would be a cost prohibitive venture to say the least. All of my locos (dozens) are of the variety where they can accommodate the boards needed for DCC. But at so many bucks per board multiplied by my locos [wow] too much. Then there would be the pu***o get things like illumination for my passenger cars (over 40 on the board at the moment) – sound units for the locos – and so forth. This is an expensive thing to say the least.

Make-break decision point for me is a simple one. I’m at the age where once I leave this Earth, all of my trains will wind up in someone else’s collection (hopefully MRR clubs, etc.). The return to me on such an outlay of cash simply does not justify the expense – especially when “I honestly like the way my layouts are running and wired.”

IF I had it to do over again with my Can-Am HO layout there’s only one thing I’d do differently – use KATO track in lieu of Bachmann. Everything else suits me fine.

Now, the Polar Express O gauge shelf system is simply a large oval of track. No brainer there. No need to DCC it.

The S-Capades is a bit more “complex” – an oval within an oval with a passing siding and two other sidings. With my dual transformer, use of insulated rail joiners, and toggle switches, I can run 3 loco’s independently of one another (2 of the 3 have sound installed) and have a great time. No need to DCC it, either.

So, that’s the “report” from here. Good subject, Ted – glad you brought it up! [tup]


Some acknowledgments, I see:

Appreciate the evening visits from Ted ‘n Rob and the morning submissions from Doug – Ted – Al ‘n Rob! Way to go, Gents! Our registers, “Tilla ‘n Cashinator” thank you very much for your “contributions”! [swg]


Nice B&O from you Al and hope to see ya about the decks soon! [tup]


Never a dull moment down there in sunny FLA, eh Ted [?] Idle hands get into mischief, or something like that . . . [swg]


Rob Thanx for the Email reply to the reply to the reply, etc. I’ll be getting another off to ya soon! <grin> Always good material coming our way from Ontario and I liked the new installment on the Cornwall Street Railway! [tup]


Nice “ad” from you Doug – and although I’ve seen it somewhere else (probably one of your jokes!) it got a laff from my bride and I! [tup] Also, it appears you survived the dive-bombing exercises with Awk – send the cleaning bill over to Vito the Hit – his dry cleaning company, “We’ll take you to the cleaners!” will take good care of you! [swg] <right>



That’s it for now. I’ll be behind the bar for the day! So, whatillyahave [?]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Okay tom another refill of the ole thermos if you don't mind, a bit too early for anything heavier, but here's a10 spot for a round of real stuff later on this afternoon.

A quick Classic juice for you folks today then it's off to work I go.

CLASSIC JUICE # 30 The Cornwall Street Railway

The city of Cornwall ontario lies just 25 miles from the Quebec Boarder and sits on the shores of the St Lawrence River.The town was founded in 1780 by UEL.s but saw little growth until 1843 when the Cornwall Canal was built and allowed ships to bypass a set of rapids on the ST Lawrence. The first steam Railway reached Cornwall 7 years later in 1850 thus spawned the industrial age in this once small farming town.

In order to meet the needs of local transportation the town council passed a speacial bylaw in 1885 granting operating rights for a street railway.On July 7, 1896 six singlwe truck arched roofed cars were purchased from Preston Car ad Coach and the Cornwall Electric Street Railway began operating up and down the streets of Cornwall . In 1898 the railways nmae was officially changed to the Cornwall Street Railway , Light and Power Company.To reflect the extended scope of the company ( owned the power houses for the city and outlying areas as well )Cornwall was the first town in Ontario to own it's own electric lighting plant.

After the initail purchase of equipment the little company never purchased new cars again, they purchased replacements from twenty different cities in the US and Canada. These cities included Green Bay , Ottawa, Williamsport , Windsor, Fort Worth , Fort Wayne and New York City. By 1935 the entire line was operating with single truck Birney saftey cars with double ended control stands. The line also went to one man crews in the early 20's on their street cars.

The system satrted out with two routes, Pitt street, and Second street ( the second street line was the heaviest travelled ), a third route was built in 1934, the Belt Line as it was called wa one of the last street car lines built in North America. It was three miles long, and provided crucial acccess to several industrial sites at the edge of the city. they ferried the workers to the plants and operated electric locomotives to switch theindustries as well.

When the war broke out in 1939 the CSR wa carrying 1 milliomn passengers a year by the end of the war in 1945 that passenger count had tripled to 3.3 million riders a year. In addition, the CSR's freight division handled 20,000 freight cars, all impressive numbers when you concider that Cornwall at the time had a poulation of about 25,000 people !It's even more interesting when you concider that the CSR waas essentilaly a single track system with a couple of passing sidings which limited the lentgh of frieght train movements during daylight hours.

The Cornwall Street Railway, as it was locally known, had a fleet of 5 steeple cab locomotives with which it served all the local industries. they interchanged freight cars with CN, cars were spotted at night at the various industries around town. As was the case with the passenger equipment the freight motors wer also second hand, having come from the NS&T,The Kansa City Kaw Valley and Western,The Windsor essex and Northshore,and the Chatham Wallaceburg & Lake erie.They were all of standard type however as they were all class B or C baldwin Westinghouse Locomotives.

By the end of the war, the CSR built a new three mile long frieght route in order to remove the freight trains from the streets of the city. New track was laid, and new overhead was installed. Also for the first time the CSR began operating buses, the first new transit equipmenet the city had bough since the turn of the century. The busses they decoded were used to feed the three streetcar routes instead of building new streetcar lines.

Despite the new track and overhead the CSR decided to phase out the streetcar operation, on july 27 1949, the last car ran in Cornwall. They were replaced by fifteen trolley busses of the early Brill design. A sixteenth was purchased in 1951. Cornwall thus became the smallest city in North america to operate trolley coaches !The trolley coaches were retired in 1970 replaced by standard deisel busse. The frieght operations continued to operate under wires until 1971, the last such friegth operation in Canada.

Today the only remainders of the CSR electrification are two of the frieght motors. #16 is stuffed and mounted in a central park in the city facing the St lawrence River. The other 4 were sold to the Illinois terminal. In 1974 #17 was purcahsed from teh IT by the Halton County Radial Railway Museum and restored as lake Erie and Northern 335 our museum's gate guardian for the time being as the locomotive had it's copper stripped by some interprising JO while it was waiting to be delivered to us in a CPR freight yard.


Rob

[trolleyboy]

Good morning Tom and all the rest of you that are hiding in here to avoid the sun and heat of the day.I think a number three with a large thermos of tea, and one of the prune danishes to wash it all down as Ted's not eating his share of them and Mama Glockenspeil is none to happy.[:0][B)][8]

Gonna be a scorcher here today 90 degrees with a heat and smog alert ,for a 97 with the humidex. Mind you this year I haven't faired to badley the central air has only kicked in twice this summer ( thank god for ancient double brick houses surrounded by trees )

Ted I'm glad that I could help with my [2c] take on DCC for you. I know what you mean about leveraging your payments to Peter to pay Paul. Sometimes I feel like we have to bypass both to pay Guido <cause he gots the bigga stick donchaknow>[:(][xx(] If you do get a chance search out Fugates articles he is da man when it comes to all things DCC. I normally don't travel far from here in the forums either becaaausen I just can't stand the crapola out there.Also times a factor staying current here, and keeping up with any and all things on my museum thread eat up all the resorces I'm generally willing to spend online. I'm not retired yet so my times not all mine. ( He ducks as the owner sends Awk in on a bombing run )[:0][B)][xx(]

Doug Our insurnace covers all the vollenteer's should theey fall or injure themselves in anyway as well as covering the public in case of misshap. We are just thankfull that we have no public grade crossings, that would be an extra $50,000. There was a time when the town and the museum wanted to extend us accross the next townline road to add a spur to the provincial park in Rockwood two miles down from us. Then we saw the potential bill for the grade crossings signals and the extra insurance that we would have had to pay[:0] The premium would have made Donald trumps hair fall out[:D] and that was over ten yeasr ago before 911.

Al Nice streamliner as always sir. Sounds like you are right back in the thick of things with work and the city and all. Just opace yourself sir, you don't want another relapse.

Rob

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and trhe rest of the gang. Time for a cup of coffee and one of those crumpets from the Mentor Village Bakery.

I didn't miss the B&O yesterday but it was one of the days where my Civic duty calls and I was in and out of the office my home and the City Hall all day long.

Here is my B&O contribution for yesterday.

BALTIMORE
&
OHIO
Streamlined Sleeping Cars
By Al

The B&O would purchase 95 streamlined sleeping cars and lease three more for a period of time. Forty-three of the 95 sleeping cars owned by the B&O were heavyweights streamlined by Pullman Calumet for operation in the pre-WW II CAPITOL LIMITED and NATIONAL LIMITED trains. Of the remaining 52 lightweight stream-lined cars the B&O purchased 14 used from other roads. The CAPITOL LIMITED was inaugurated as an All-Pullman train between Baltimore - Washington and Chicago on May 12, 1923. Even though it was shown in the timetable as a Jersey City to Chicago train only one or two cars were forwarded beyond Washington in a connecting train to and from Jersey City. The CAPITOL LIMITED became one of the first fully air conditioned trains in 1932.
On November 23, 1938 the CAPITOL LIMITED began operating as a diesel powered All-Pullman streamliner between Washington and Chicago with through sleeping cars to and from Jersey City. The heavyweight cars except for the two dining cars were remodeled and streamlined by Pullman Calumet with full width diaphragms full skirting, rounded turtle roofs, and tight lock couplers. It is believed this was one of the first installations of tight lock couplers on heavyweight cars. The new lightweight cars were almost all equipped with tight lock couplers. B&O streamlined the two Dining cars in there own Mount Clare shops. The interiors of all cars after remodeling and streamlining featured indirect lighting and brighter colors than Pullman normally used but still conservative enough for the B&O. The original heavyweight cars streamlined for the CAPITOL LIMITED follow.

Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 Seat Lounge Cars

CAPITOL GARDEN

CAPITOL HILL

14 Section Sleeping Cars

ALEXANDER BELL

JOHN ERICSSON

PARK SPUR

12 Section 1 Drawing Room Sleeping Cars

BRADSHAW

CASTLETON

GREEN BANK

GREEN SPRING

WESTFIELD

8 Section 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars

CLOVER BAY

CLOVER CREST

CLOVER HEIGHTS

CLOVER HOLLOW

CLOVER LODGE

CLOVER PARK

GARDEN BROOK

GARDEN GLEN

8 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment Sleeping cars

LAUREL BRANCH

LAUREL DALE

36 Seat Dining Cars

1061 MARGARET BRENT

1062 VIRGINIA DARE

3 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Buffet 22 Seat Lounge 8 Seat Sun Room Solarium Observation

CAPITOL ARMS

CAPITOL CITY

In October 1939 Pullman delivered two streamlined heavy-weight Sleeping cars for service in the CAPITOL LIMITED consists. These two cars were 8 Section 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars EMERALD BORDER and EMERALD WATERS.
Coaches were added to the CAPITOL LIMITED between August 4, 1940 and December 19, 1941 when the All Coach COLUMBIAN was inaugurated. At that time the CAPITOL LIMITED regained its All Pullman status.
Having seen the results of the streamlined CAPITOL LIMITED increase passenger loads the B&O next turned their attention to the NATIONAL LIMITED the Washington - St. Louis train with cars to and from Jersey City. Once again like the CAPITOL LIMITED the timetable showed the NATIONAL LIMITED as a Jersey City - St. Louis train. Unlike the CAPITOL LIMITED the NATIONAL LIMITED carried both Coaches and Sleeping cars. The NATIONAL LIMITED also required four sets of equipment while the CAPITOL LIMITED only needed two. Again the B&O chose new EMC E units to power the streamlined train.
The B&O Mount Clare shops streamlined 19 heavyweight cars while Pullman Calumet streamlined 23 heavyweight cars. Only three Sun Room Solarium Observations were necessary as they did not run north of Washington to Jersey City. Again most of the NATIONAL LIMITED consists would be assembled in Baltimore/Washington. Only sixteen of the Mount Clare shops heavyweight stream-lined cars were destined for service in the NATIONAL LIMITED the other three were for additional cars for the COLUMBIANS. The NATIONAL LIMITED streamlined heavyweights are listed below.

Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 Seat Lounge Cars

1302-1305

54 Revenue Seat Coaches

3550-3557

42 Seat Dining Lounge Cars

1077 - 1080

14 Section Sleeping Cars

PARK CITY

PARK FALLS

12 Section 1 Drawing Room Sleeping Cars

EAST AKRON

EAST MADISONVILLE

EAST NORWOOD

EAST SPARTA

EAST YOUNGSTOWN

UNIONVILLE

8 Section Buffet 20 Seat Lounge Cars

MERCHANTS CLUB

QUEEN CITY CLUB

8 Section Buffet 19 Seat Lounge Cars

MARYLAND CLUB

PITTSBURGH CLUB

10 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment Sleeping Cars

LOCH AWE

LOCH DOON

LOCH EARN

LOCH LOMOND

8 Section 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars

EMERALD BAY

EMERALD BROOK

EMERALD FALLS

EMERALD WAVES

3 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Buffet 22 Seat Lounge 8 seat Sun Room Solarium Observations

CAPITOL ESCORT

PALM ISLANDS

PALM KEY

On January 15, 1941 The CAPITOL LIMITED received its first lightweight streamlined Sleeping cars. These were the two Pullman Pool cars CASCADE LOCKS and CASCADE BLUFFS with 10 Roomettes and 5 Double Bedrooms. The CAPITOL LIMITED operated these cars as Washington - Chicago sleepers.
On May 27, 1941 two additional CASCADE series cars began operating in the DIPLOMAT between Washington and Detroit again one of these cars per consist in the otherwise all heavyweight train. The DIPLOMAT was the premier train of the B&O between Washington and Detroit and had operated as All Pullman at one time. The two CASCADE Series cars assigned to the DIPLOMAT were CASCADE BOULDERS and CASCADE GULLY.
For whatever reason Pullman Standard opened their production line in September- October 1943 at the height of WW II long enough to deliver three new CASCADE series 10 roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars to the B&O for assignment between Washington and St. Louis in the NATIONAL LIMITED. The three CASCADE series sleeping cars were CASCADE DRIVE, CASCADE MUSIC and CASCADE SOUND. All seven of the CASCADE series sleeping cars would become B&O property in 1945 and would receive 7000 series numbers along with their names.

10 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard April 1940 Plan: 4072B Lot: 6606 (Built for Pullman Pool transferred to B&O in 1941)
CAPITOL LIMITED
CASCADE BLUFF

CASCADE LOCKS

DIPLOMAT
CASCADE BOULDERS

CASCADE GULLY

10 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard September October 1943 Plan: 4072F Lot: 6679 (Built for Pullman pool assigned to NATIONAL LIMITED)

CASCADE DRIVE

CASCADE MUSIC

CASCADE SOUND

In 1945 when the seven CASCADE series cars received 7000 series numbers along with their names they appeared as follows.

7000 CASCADE
BLUFF

7001 CASCADE
BOULDERS

7002 CASCADE
GULLY

7003 CASCADE
LOCKS

7004 CASCADE
DRIVE

7005 CASCADE
MUSIC

7006 CASCADE
SOUND

Beginning in April 1946 a through Los Angeles - Washington 6 Section 6 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom VALLEY series sleeping car of the Santa Fe traveled daily east of Chicago in the CAPITOL LIMITED o and from Washington. This car traveled west of Chicago in the Santa Fe CHIEF to and from Los Angeles. This was one of the earliest through sleeping car services instituted.
Between April and June 1948 the B&O received their first lightweight stream-lined sleeping cars built new for the railroad. These were eight Pullman Standard built 14 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom cars. Four were assigned to each consist of the CAPITOL LIMITED train sets. Initially three were assigned to the NATIONAL LIMITED but were replaced by through MP cars from Houston and Fort Worth later that year and the B&O 14 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars reverted to the CAPITOL LIMITED. Apparently the MP did not like B&O colors breaking up the MP color scheme of the new TEXAS EAGLES.

14 ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard April - June 1948 Plan: 4153B Lot: 6776 (Built for and assigned to CAPITOL LIMITED)

7010 PAW PAW

7011 MAHONING

7012 MONOCACY

7013 MUSKINGUM

7014 PATUXENT

7015 CACAPON

7016 SANGAMON

7017 SCIOTO

As the streamlined cars were added to the CAPITOL LIMITED and NATIONAL LIMITED in the latter train's case they were MP, Frisco and M-K-T cars with few actual B&O sleeping cars in the NATIONAL LIMITED at this time.
The older heavyweight streamlined cars from the NATIONAL LIMITED and CAPITOL LIMITED were passed down to the AMBASSADOR, DIPLOMAT, and SHENANDOAH upgrading those trains with more modern appearing sleeping cars.
In March 1950 the B&O received ten 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from Pullman Standard and eight of these were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED pool so each train set had four. The 14-4 cars were then transferred to the AMBASSADOR, SHENANDOAH and DIPLOMAT adding newer streamlined sleeping cars to those trains. The SHENANDOAH received the remaining two new 10-6 cars from the Pullman Standard order. These cars were part of the huge C&O order for cars that the C&O and NKP Advisory Mechanical Committee (AMC) had developed. The Double Bedrooms were all located in the center of the sleeping cars with five roomettes located at each end over the trucks. Besides the ten cars built new for the B&O the IC received five and the D&RGW received four. The thirteen NKP cars differed slightly and were not part of the C&O order although the NKP took part in the design of the C&O cars providing mechanical engineers to the AMC. The C&O received fifty-six 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from the original order and even this number was more than they needed or could put to use. In October 1950 the C&O sold four to the ACL and five to the IC with two more sold to the IC in November, 1950 and a final car sent to the IC in January 1951 after the Christmas rush ended.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard March 1950 Plan: 4167 Lot: 6814 (Built for and assigned to CAPITOL LIMITED)

7040 AUGLAISE

7041 CATOCTIN

7042 GUYANDOTTE

7043 KOKOSING

7044 MUSCATATUCK

7045 OPEQUON

7046 SHENANGO

7047 TUSCARAWAS

7048 TYGART

7049 YOUGHIOGHENY

In December 1950 the B&O received three Dome Sleeping cars with 5 Roomettes 3 Drawing Rooms 1 Single Bedroom and 24 seats in the Dome. These three cars were originally built for the C&O for their stillborn CHESSIE. These Budd built cars were originally delivered to the C&O in August 1948 as daytime private room cars numbered 1850 - 1852. The C&O considered assigning these cars to the SPORTSMAN for operation between Washington and Detroit and was prepared to name them 1850 BELLE ISLE DOME, 1851 CHAMBERLIN DOME and 1852 HAMPTON ROADS DOME. The names were never applied and the cars were sold to the B&O in December 1950. Two of the cars 7601 STARLIGHT DOME and 7602 SUNLIGHT DOME were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED and the third car 7600 MOONLIGHT DOME was assigned to the SHENANDOAH operating every other day in one train set. These three cars were fitted with roof mounted headlights to light up the passing scenery on the nocturnal journeys of the SHENANDOAH and CAPITOL LIMITEDS. There were clearance problems on the route of the NATIONAL LIMITED and that is why the three domes were assigned to the Chicago - Washington route. The three domes certainly set the CAPITOL LIMITED apart from the competition on the Washington Chicago route such as the PRR LIBERTY LIMITED. The CAPITOL LIMITED began Dome service January 8, 1951.

24 SEAT STRATA-DOME 5 ROOMETTE 3 DRAWING ROOM 1 SINGLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Budd Company August 1948 Plan: 9524 Lot: 9669 - 017 (Built for C&O CHESSIE never operated in that train purchased by B&O December 1950)

7600 MOONLIGHT DOME ex C&O BELLE ISLE DOME originally C&O 1850

7601 STARLIGHT DOME ex C&O CHAMBERLIN DOME originally C&O 1851

7602 SUNLIGHT DOME ex C&O HAMPTON ROADS DOME originally C&O 1852

In February 1951 the B&O received two used 5 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations from the C&O. These cars were delivered to the C&O in 1950 so were virtually new when sold to the B&O. These cars had squared off Observation ends and were probably among the most attractive Observations of this type ever constructed. The first two cars were the 7502 DANA the former C&O 2501 SHENANDOAH CLUB and the 7503 METCALF former C&O 2505 OHIO RIVER CLUB. These cars were assigned to the two consists of the Baltimore/Washington - Detroit AMBASSADOR beginning February 15, 1951.
In March 1951 two additional 5 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations identical to the first two arrived on the B&O from the C&O. After repainting and renumbering these two B&O 7500 NAPPANEE ex C&O 2502 TIDEWATER CLUB and 7501 WAWASEE ex C&O WOLVERINE CLUB were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED. The new cars replaced the old prewar streamlined heavyweight Solarium Observations in CAPITOL LIMITED service.

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard August 1950 Plan: 4165 Lot: 6863 (Built for and assigned C&O Sold to B&O in February - March 1951 for assignment to AMBASSADOR and CAPITOL LIMITED)

7500 NAPPANNEE originally C&O 2502 TIDEWATER CLUB

7501 WAWASEE originally C&O 2507 WOLVERINE CLUB

7502 DANA originally C&O 2501 SHENANDOAH CLUB

7503 METCALF originally C&O 2505 OHIO RIVER CLUB

The B&O next received an order for eleven 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from the Budd Company in May-June 1954. These cars all named for Birds were assigned to such trains as the CAPITOL LIMITED AMBASSADOR, SHENANDOAH, NATIONAL LMITED and other trains. These cars would later serve the B&O as SLUMBERCOACHES and finally eight of these cars would be sold to the SCL for SLUMBERCOACH service between New York and Miami.

16 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Budd Company May - June 1954 Plan: 9536 Lot: 9658 - 137 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

7100 BOBOLINK

7101 CARDINAL

7102 GULL

7103 KINGFISHER

7104 MOCKINGBIRD

7105 ORIOLE

7106 QUAIL

7107 ROBIN

7108 SWAN

7109 THRUSH
7110 WREN

Seeking to upgrade the NATIONAL LIMITED the B&O purchased three NYC prewar 1 Compartment 1 Drawing Room 2 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations that were assigned to the pre WW II SOUTHWESTERN LIMITED. The three cars arrived on the B&O in January 1956 and after repainting and refurbishing the three cars entered B&O service with the same names they had carried while in NYC service.

7510 GENESEE RIVER originally NYC 10650 GENESEE RIVER

7511 MAUMEE RIVER originally NYC 10651 MAUMEE RIVER

7512 WABASH RIVER originally NYC 10652 WABASH RIVER

Beginning April 5, 1957 the B&O assigned lightweight streamlined Twin Unit Dining cars to the CAPITOL LIMITED. These replaced the prewar heavyweight streamlined Dining cars of 1938 in CAPITOL LIMITED. The car were purchased used from the NYC where they had operated in the DETROITER and even the WOLVERINE. The two Twin Unit Dining cars were originally built for the C&O as part of the 1950 order. Four of the Dormitory Kitchen cars and four of the Dining Room cars were sold to the NYC. It was two each of these that were sold to the B&O for the CAPITOL LIMITED as follows.
1092 DINING ROOM CAR and 1093 CREW DORMITORY KITCHEN CAR ex NYC 409 - 472 originally C&O 1975 MICHIE"S TAVERN C&O 1956 CALDWELLS KITCHEN

1094 DINING ROOM CAR and 1095 CREW DORMITORY KITCHEN CAR ex NYC 410 - 473 originally C&O 1976 HANOVER TAVERN C&O 1957 BOTSFORD KITCHEN

The B&O purchased four 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars used from the C&O in 1957 and after repainting the cars entered service assigned to the NATIONAL LIMITED. B&O 7052 SCHUYLKILL and 7053 SHENANDOAH entered service in February 1957. In March B&O 7051 CUYAHOGA entered B&O service followed by 7050 ALLEGHENY in April 1957.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard February - July 1950 Plan: 4167 Lot: 6864 (Built for and assigned to C&O trains sold to B&O 1957 assigned to NATIONAL LIMITED)

7050 ALLEGHENY originally C&O 2603 CITY OF MOUNT HOPE

7051 CUYAHOGA originally C&O 2635 TOWN OF PRINCE

7052 SCHUYLKILL originally C&O 2643 CITY OF MUSKEGON

7053 SHENANDOAH ex C&O 2655 CITY OF PETOSKEY originally C&O 2655 CITY OF ATHENS

In February 1958 the B&O received a pair of the new 24 Single Room 8 Double Room Slumber coaches from Budd numbered and named 7700 SLUMBERLAND and 7701 DREAMLAND. The pair were assigned to the COLUMBIAN the all coach overnight streamliners between Baltimore and Chicago. These trains had been combined with the AMBASSADOR east of Willard Ohio so the Coach Observations were assigned elsewhere. Eventually the B&O would combine the CAPITOL LIMITED and COLUMBIAN between Baltimore and Chicago and the AMBASSADOR between Baltimore and Willard Ohio in both directions. Finally the COLUMBIAN name would be dropped and the combined CAPITOL LIMITED - COLUMBIAN would be known as the CAPITOL LIMITED.

24 SINGLE ROOM 8 DOUBLE ROOM SLUMBERCOACHES Budd Company February 1958 Plan: 9540 Lot: 9691-211 (Built for and assigned to COLUMBIAN)

7700 SLUMBERLAND
7701 DREAMLAND

In May 1959 the B&O received three leased Slumbercoaches from the Budd Company for assignment to the NATIONAL LIMITED between Baltimore and St. Louis. The three leased Slumbercoaches were numbered and named 7702 RESTLAND, 7703 SLEEPLAND and 7704 THRIFTLAND.
In September, 1959 the Missouri Pacific received a 24 Single Room 8 Double Room Slumbercoach leased from Budd numbered and named 699 SOUTHLAND. At that time the B&O and MP Slumbercoaches began a Washington - San Antonio daily service operating in the NATIONAL LIMITED east of St. Louis and the TEXAS EAGLE west of St. Louis.
When the lease was up the MP and B&O both returned these Slumbercoaches to Budd who promptly sold them to the NP for NORTH COAST LIMITED - MAINSTREETER service.

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

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THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


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[:I] I was in a department store the other day and I walked up to a young and lovely woman and said, "I've lost my wife in here somewhere. Can you talk to me a couple of minutes?"
The woman looks puzzled. "Why talk to me?", she asks.
" Because every time I talk to a woman with a body like yours, my wife appears out of nowhere." [:I]


[:I] Four surgeons were taking a coffee break and were discussing their work.
The first said, “I think accountants are the easiest to operate on. You open them up and everything inside is numbered.”
The second said, “I think librarians are the easiest to operate on. You open them up and everything inside is in alphabetical order.”
The third said, “I like to operate on electricians. You open them up and everything inside is color-coded.”
The fourth one said, “I like to operate on lawyers. They’re heartless, spineless, gutless, and their heads and their butts are interchangeable. [:I]


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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 00:04:30 (359) Classic Juice #29 The Hamilton Street Railway

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 05:53:45 (359) Model Builder Journalism ‘n Joke!

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 05:59:43 (359) Wednesday’s Info & 21-Post Summary

(4) barndad Doug Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 06:57:39 (359) Model Builder Journalism, pt II

(5) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 06:58:50 (359) Bearman’s Inclusive Gulf Coast Report!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 08:23:50 (359) Acknowledgments & Comments

(7) BudKarr BK Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 12:09:48 (359) Mountain Report ‘n 6 Euro model trains Pix!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 14:11:52 (359) NOSTALGIA #88 – B&O Ad (1948)

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 16:17:43 (359) Traction Pix!

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 19:11:59 (359) Acknowledgment ‘n Comments

(11) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 20:12:56 (359) Bearman’s Gulf Coast Inclusive Post, part deux!

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 22:55:20 (359) Count Robulla’s Nite Cap!



That’s it![tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

Hey, we are past "hump day" and that should bring a smile to everyone's demeanor. Tom please, a toasted Danish in butter after a double Ruby Red Grapaefruit juice, thanks.

Yesterday, was neat with rather sparse input but unfailing good intentions.[tup] The History International Channel ran a documentary on "Toy and Model Trains in the U.S." late yesterday evening. Of course, it was coincidental to the "Our" Place observence on Wednesday and more so because the piece covered Lionel almost exclusively. You know, It isn't a coincidence that so many "modeling" threads lapse into contentious rhetoric on "this or that" (gauge, wiring, manufacturers, period, Road name, et al.) being the best since hot buttered pop corn. Egad, I'm so grateful that sort of derision doesn't happen hereabouts.[^] As an objective observer, I'm equally "grateful" that we avoid indulging in "pile on" when minor differences occur as well. It just doesn't come to any good purpose.[tdn] As the Proprietor wisely said: "Rest in Peace."

Rob, your thoughts on the D.C.C. angle are "right on" and appreciated, we'll see. I'm afraid I'm already committed to the M.R.C. Prodigy system having programmed the Aristo Craft A.T.S.F. Gas Electric for my G gauge efforts outside. I will look into Mr. Fugate's articles presumably found on the "Modelrailroader" Site, thanks. As it is, I'm "robbing Peter to pay Paul" to hang on by my finger nails here at "Our" Place. Any additional involvment elswhere is, right now, out of the question.[V] What is worse, a real estate appraiser is scheduled to come by vey soon. I guess eveyone knows what that means.[:O] Yes, touch-up, paint-up, spruce-up and trim down 18 years of accumulated "clutter" and no place to hide!

Okay, it is "off to the races" after a cursory hedge clipping this a.m., so I bid everyone a good day until next time.

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and all! I'll just have one light breakfast, as punishment for being tweeted yesterday for using a joke already posted. Sorry to hear from Ted that my little Lionel Model Builder article was too generous to the fine folks that wrote the magazine ...guess I'll find out for myself though, sice I purchased a few through E-Bay.

Rob, I have no idea what we pay for insurance at the IRM, but it has to be a bundle. My own mother-in-law took a tumble after exiting the Nebraska Zephyr, for absolutely no reason at all. We were on a dinner train for about 1 1/2 hours, riding back and forth down the 4 1/2 mile track, not even moving around very much. I got off the train first (so I was on the ground)and turned to make sure she got off the train OK, and there was a conductor doing the same from the train car. She stepped onto the step, and then onto the ground and took a few steps. I figured that the mission was accomplished, and turned to walk away, and that's when she fell! Fortunately, she was not hurt, but I was thinking how easy it was for someone to get hurt, and then be able to make an insurance claim. When you think about all the volunteers we have, working around those locos and train cars, with all sorts of equipment and power tools, it's amazing that any insurance copmany would even touch us.

Oh well. It's off to work with me, and have a great day one and all!

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon just a small cr tonight as i'm half ways to sleepy land at the moment.[zzz] These HHH days get me all tired and worn out to be sure. Luckily we didn't get to far off of 80 today, though with 75% humidity [tdn] who needs it.

Tom Neat B&O piece sir, you didn't tell us where to get our coupons though [swg] I'll have to mosey over and read up on the Illinois terminal , too tired tonight, but I will get back there thanks for the heads up sir.

Doug Great two parter on Lionel today. They really did seem to be a for the hobbiest company at one point to bad they've degraded somewhat.I wouldn't want to even guess at what one of those horse cars would be worth today. Mind you that's the problem with museum pieces, most are so old that it's hard to peg a price. Having priceless exhibits is one reason why museum insurance is so gosh darn high. Our museum's Insurance bill is somewhere in the $50,000 a year premium mark ( USD at that as no candian compnay will insure moving museum's like ours )

BK Encore or not it was nice to see more on topic banter and material from you again today sir. the three hiorsemen will indeed ride again I'm sure.

Ted I'm glad that you enjoyed your latest traction fix. I'm guessing that you will need to mosey over to Tom's other thread to pick up on the IT info as well. That picture was a nice teaser though. I'm of two minds on DCC. It's pros do eventually outweigh the cons <price> and I've noted that price is comming down on most systems. Go with a simple easy one if you do it. The more buttons and dials the more confusion and frustration. I've operated two club and three home layouts all with different DCC systems. By and large the Digitrax run one , was the simplists and quickest one for me to pick up on. Also being that it's a US built system the prices for you on it will be substantially less than some of the others out there. Just my quick take anyhow. I know that you don't like treading out on other threads out there, but Joe Fugates recurring DCC is a good one finding out info. Mr Fugate as a MR magazine contributor puts out some very helpfull info on that thread and there is generally little of the common thread BS on that one, a somewhat safe haven anyway.


Rob

[Anonymous]

Good evening all you "night owls."[(-D] Thought I would try to improve on my earlier post which was brief, to say the least.[:O] Tom, I would like a Benedictine and Brandy to ease the bloat from the gluttonous portion of Shrimp Scampi I endulged in tonight. Oh yes, that should have been $2.83 @ gallon for sure! As I didn't have time to address the "Toy and Model Trains" topic earlier, I would like to menton a URL that may be of interest to the more esoteric side of the hobbyist: www.brasstrains.com. This site lists and illustrates new, unique and out of production HO brass steam, diesel, freight, passenger cars plus traction and subway trains. Pictures, prices, descriptions and availabilty are given for each model shown as well. Some are used and have anything from superb professional paint to mediocre or inaccurate liveries. It could be of real interest or merely a "dream site" for our folks. The next item I would like to present as a question. Are there any other clientele besides me that is putzing around with D.C.C.? I don't want to get smack in the middle of something that is rather technical; risking boring everyone to death.[V] I'll take no future response to mean it is a "dead issue" and no offence taken at all. D.C.C. is expensive and can be tedious to boot even though train control is absolutely superior in nearly all respects.[tup] Doug, the Lionel publication "The Model Builder" coverage did it maybe more justice than it desrved. Still, as a supplement on 3 rail A.C. power, it was very helpful, especially to Son and Dad constructed Pikes. I was making a hasty exit from Lionel to HO D.C. power, so didn't avail myself to but a few issues. Hi BK, a welcome "rerun" on the Fleischmann steam and elecric trains, thanks. Another "shot in the arm" for this traction fan was the Illinois Terminal #203 combine Tom. Also, a Road of my personal choice, the B. & O. was a the "icing on the cake."[^] Oh Rats, here comes another "thunder boomer" so common this time of year. Guess, "discretion should be the better part of valo(U)r" in this case. OOPS that one was close...gotta go fellers lest I get zapped into a mutation like Boris [alien] So long for now.

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Appreciate your taking the time to stop in, BK and the ENCORE! for our revamped Train 'n Model Trains Day! fit in quite well - especially given that we've had NO CUSTOMERS this afternoon! [sigh] Why waste new material on such a slow day [?] By the by, I'd be a bit careful about laying that kind of "trip" on your roomie! Retaliation comes in all forms . . . [swg]

No need to make further mention of the situation from yesterday, although your endorsement and those from others by Email means a lot. It's over, RIP.

Spent most of my 'puter time today organizing PIx for Sunday Photo Posting Day! along with trying to get a "leg up" on the routine matters 'round this place.

We ran a "theme" on the Illinois Terminal RR over on "my other Thread," that has brought out some interesting Pix - Rob are you "listening" [?] We're talking "traction" . . . [swg]

Fortunately we didn't hit the century mark 'round these parts today, but it is indeed a hot, hot, hot day - in fact we're delaying our evening trek with Juneau the Wonder Husky for a couple of hours, just to ensure that he doesn't overheat (me too!). <groan> The "predictors" say we're going to get some rain associated with a front coming through tomorrow afternoon - but consider the source(s). These are the guys who get paid for being correct perhaps 50 percent of the time. Where do I sign up for a job like that [?] <grin>

Okay - I'm talking to myself again . . .

REMINDER:
Leon the Night Man has the bar at 9 PM (Central)!


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Well, we surely seem to be mired in "one of those daze" 'round the "Hit 'n Miss & Feast or Famine" bar 'n grill. [sigh]

Over on "my other Thread" there's some interesting "stuff" - and has been. Check this out for those who appreciate this kinda "stuff" . . .

IT #203 (courtesy: donsdepot.donrossgroup.net -
foto credit: unknown)


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #88


Here’s something NEW to enjoy regarding the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O) from a 1948 advertisement in my personal collection.




WASHINGTON
is the place to go –

The B&O is the Way to Go!

The perfect combination to give you a holiday you’ll remember the rest of your life! . . .

Washington – where the historic blends with headline making, where there’s a thrill at every turn!

The Baltimore & Ohio - - - that offers you the gliding ride of Diesel-Electric power, the comfort of luxurious streamliners, and those famous B&O extras; superb food, old-fashioned courtesy, on-time dependability.

Take the B&O - - - the only railroad between the East and West passing directly through Washington. Liberal stopover.


FREE! Washington Pictorial Magazine


BALTIMORE & OHIO
Mail coupon now!



Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[BudKarr]

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and all assembled (but WHERE are they assembled is the question?),

Still morning here in the mountains, so perhaps a late breakfast will do for my lady and I. Let us go with #4 from the Menu Board, coffee for me, tea for Lydia and we will stroll over to the Mentor Bakery case in a moment or two . . . .

Very impressive turnout yesterday, with only one blemi***hat I detected along the way. Too bad, but I support the way you run this place and appreciate your having the forthrightness to stick to your position. [tup] The “Three Horsemen” need to ride again!

No point in my rehashing all of the accolades posted by the gang, let me simply offer my “Well Done” to all who contributed in the spirit of the bar with respect to the Proprietor and banter abounding! [tup]

Today is the newly anointed “Toy and Model Trains Day” a change from the “Pike Perspectives Day.” Either way, I will attempt to provide something from my “vast” archives in the form of an ENCORE as it seems my “research department” was remiss in HER duties on this one! [swg]

Here is something from the 19th of April, page 309:

QUOTE:

Fleischmann 4117 - Tender Loco Class 17



Fleischmann 4318 - Electric Loco Class E19.1



Fleischmann 4324 - Electric Loco Class 146



Fleischmann 4337 - Electric Loco Class Ae 3/6



Fleischmann 4903 - Passenger Train of the K.P. u. G.H. St. E.



4913 Passenger Train "90 Years of MITROPA" of the P. St. E. V.



I do not take credit for retrieving these photos. My computer literate “roomie” does so well at this![swg]

Hope to see you tomorrow!


BK in Alberta, Canada’s beautiful high mountain country!

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Oh boy, are we in for it today – temps expected to near 100 (F), high humidity and the “heat index” says we’re gonna fry! [tdn] <groan> Not what Juneau the Wonder Husky and I want for this time of year. Things are rather dry too, and we’re seeing signs of stress showing up amongst the trees – some have started dropping leaves! Very unusual for these parts . . .

A fine outpouring yesterday, most for the THEME: NKP, where we had a total of 21 Posts (6 were mine). A very successful Tuesday and many THANX to all, but especially Rob with 5 Posts and Al with 3! [tup] [tup] [tup]

Just a wee bit surprised at only 2 comments regarding “that caption” on one of my Pix from this past Sunday! [banghead]


[wow] Did my Cardinals get their butts “whooped” last night in ChiTown or what [?] The White Sox did a number on ‘em – 20 to 6 – that’s twenty for them and six for my team. It was over way before it was over! (Nope – not a Yogi-ism! but it could be! [swg])

More from the sports scene – looks like another indoor sport is over for this season as the NBA crowned it’s new champion – the Miami Heat (an appropriate name!) as they beat the Mavericks from Dallas to take 4 games out of 6. I guess buying the “Shaq man” was a good deal, eh [?] Congrats to them and all who follow ‘em . . . [tup]

So, now can we finally settle into baseball, huh, huh, huh [?] [swg]


Now to the acknowledgments!

Theodorebear Ted
Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 20:40:26 & 21 Jun 2006, 06:58:50

Late arrival, early arrival – the important thing are the arrivals! [tup] Always a pleasure to have you aboard to enjoy your commentaries! [tup]

Nickel Plate created a bit of interest ‘round the joint we haven’t seen in some time. Don’t know about an all-time turnout of Posts, but it surely ranks right up there with the “big roads!” Glad you found the material of interest – that IS the point, eh [?]

Your comments regarding recruitment brings to mind that we all should be trying to at least get one new guy aboard, otherwise we continue the downward spiral in terms of active participation.


For anyone who frequents other Threads: Why not invite a person who you feel may be interested in the way we do things ‘round the bar [?] Check the profile, etc. and extend the invitation!


Back to Ted – is that Petrol price for real [?] $1.83 sounds like I should drive down your way with some gas cans! [swg]


trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 22:34:40 & 21 Jun 2006, 00:04:30

Looks like we’ve awoken you from a slumber (of sorts) as your “fan base” missed you – Elmer! [swg]

Great to see the outpouring of “stuff” and as always, very much on target and helpful to “the cause!” <grin>

Somehow I don’t envision you and your bride as “big band” kinds of folks. Nevertheless, some probably don’t see you as a “trolley jolly” either! [swg]

THANX again for coming through in flying colors! [tup]


passengerfan Al
Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 22:51:27

You certainly came back with vigor and provided some excellent material for our THEME: NKP!! Much appreciated and also THANX for helping to keep “my other Thread” up on the Forum page. Now if we could only get Art to come over here . . . .


barndad Doug
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 05:53:45 & 06:57:39

Tweeeeeeeeeeet! Tweeeeeeeeeeeet! Rules violation – Rules violation! Rule #27 using a joke that was previously used by the Proprietor! That joke appeared in the Comedy Corner on Page 351 of the Saturday, June 10th SUMMARY!

A trip to the Rat’s Patoot Room matey where you and Awk can practice his dive bombing exercises! [swg]

Very nice work with today’s Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! articles! [tup] [tup] [tup] Let’s me off the hook, as I’m not sure that I’ll provide anything today . . .

Now THAT’s the way to have a horseshoe game – although I’d think only one of the guys would have the large shoes! What’s the point if they both do [?] [swg]


Much appreciation to all who bought drinks and “fed” our Coal Scuttle! who in turn “feeds’ Herr Wurlitzer! [swg]


That’s it for now. I’ll be behind the bar for the day! So, whatillyahave [?]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good Wednesday morning to all you Rooster types. Tom, maybe a couple of those "gop stoppers" (glazed donuts) and a cuppa hot green tea. I gotta long day ahead and need to keep moving 'cause if I slow down, I'll collapse.[V] Hot and humid as per usual, $1.83 for regular, 50 cents @ for air and water and you can't buy a "thank you" at any price.[tdn] I guess the dust has settled from the avalanche of N.Y., C. & St. Louis R.R. postings. Tom, you got more mileage out of the Nickle Plate than any other Road in recent memory, good hunting mate. Barndad Doug, that sidewalk bar is a "dead ringer" for one I saw at Lake Chapala in Old Mexico ( 'bout 30 miles out of Guadalahara). The photo reminds me of a fellow who complained of his married life saying: "I marreied a Nun...none in the morning, none at noon and none at night." I followed with: "Drop by some time. I'll introduce you to Mother Superior."[:D] CM3, I'm still working on the "Reverse Mortgage" situation and if I understand all I know about it...it's [tup]. Yeah Rob, that H.S.R. stuff is the elixer of life for your's truly.[^] I'm still trying to figure out that melee on the Trolley. Army people would never "cross that line."[:-^] I wish I could join you both at the Guy Lumbago gala but I can't find my spats and button-up Oxford shoes.[(-D] The report of the Horse falling into a open man hole is a violation of rule #2106 in Dougs rules and regulations: "No horsing-a-round!" OOOH![xx(] Ah yes, the W.W. II era brought out the very best in "human nature" in general and the R. R. Industry in particular. After the strain and stress of those panic years R.R. equipment was literally worn out in five years time. To my knowledge, there was no compensation for replacing rolling stock either. All Roads were faced with massive spending and maintenance for new hardware, only to face the dramatic plunge in revenue due to new and better highways, faster cars and coast-to-coast commercial airline competition. The highways and airlines, of course, were granted huge subsidies from government. Al and Tom expounded on this point previously. "Tain't fair, I tell ya, it just t'aint fair!" Great gobules of Granny's Goose Glop, I'm running late again.[:O] Right Boris, assume the position...GADFREY DANIEL, I told you not to hang out with that Track Crew, didn't I?[:(!] Happy rails one and all.

[Anonymous]

Good morning again Tom and gents! Here's the 2nd part of my article:

Model Builder Journalism by Allan W. Miller – Vintage Rails No. 9


Over the years, some of the foremost names in model railroading – contributed features to Model Builder. Perhaps the best known and most prolific of these authors was the late Frank C. Ellison, whose reputation for creating realistic, and detained operating environments for model trains has endured to the present day. Although the magazine’s feature articles frequently carried no byline, scarcely an issue can be examined without uncovering some evidence of Ellison’s craftsmanship.

Even the ads in Model Builder provide an enlightening retrospective of the era. Several prominent names in American business and manufacturing purchased full-page ads in the magazine on a fairly regular basis, including the Curtiss Candy Company (makers of Baby Ruth bars), RCA Victor (radios), Remington Rand (typewriters), Daisy Air Rifles, and even Lionel’s staunchest competitor of that time, Gilbert’s American Flyer trains. The classified Trading Post ads in the back of each issue were equally informative, providing a glimpse of not only what was being sought and swapped, but by whom, along with information about where they lived.

In 1947, Model Builder editors, commissioned a survey to learn more about their readers. More than 3,200 survey forms were dispatched, with 1,092 completed and returned. Among the information garnered:

Articles liked most were the construction articles, followed by “instructional model railroad stuff,” with features on model railroads ranking third.

About half the respondents were over 19 years of age.

About half the respondents had permanent model railroad layouts.

Of those who had operating layouts, about one quarter had layouts over 100 square feet in size.

50 percent of the layouts were located in the cellar (and one was built over a chicken coop).

62.9 percent of the respondents with layouts worked as father-and-son teams.

About 90 percent of the respondents with layouts had a tinplate pike.

Model Builder magazine ceased publication in the spring of 1949. Although a number of faithful subscribers reportedly wrote to Joshua Lionel Cowen, the firm’s founder, imploring him to keep the magazine alive, the April 1949 final issue carried this message:

“Model Builder is being suspended for several reasons, but perhaps the most important is that it has served its major purpose. During the past two decades a publication was greatly needed to insure the establishment of model railroading as a hobby. Now that has been done, and there are now three other publications in the field – all doing a good job. The need for Model Builder has changed completely, thus the decision was made.”

“Of course, other factors have entered as well, and rising prices and falling revenues have touched almost every magazine to a greater or lesser degree. Model Builder was hard hit, but the basic reason was that the publication could fulfill the needs of the readers.”

Despite its demise after 13 years, Lionel’s Model Builder magazine remains, to date, that longest-lived of American periodicals devoted principally (although not exclusively) to toy trains. Because so many of its construction, repair, and maintenance articles provided timeless and perpetually useful information, the long-gone magazine still appeals to contemporary modelers, who seek out dog-eared and aging issues at train meets and railroadiana shows. Further, the complete 80-issue set of Model Builder magazines constitutes a valuable, illustrated historical record of an important era in the hobby’s growth, and therefore it is a highly sought after item among today’s toy train paper and memorabilia collectors. The complete set, in excellent condition, is valued in excess of $900 in the current market.

Whether the Lionel Corporation actually entered into magazine journalism because of its expressed desire to “insure the establishment of model railroading as a hobby” is somewhat open to conjecture. Nevertheless, few would dispute that Model Builder and its short-lived predecessors helped to elevate toy trains from a seasonal, around-the-Christmas-tree phenomenon to a full-fledged, year-round leisure activity.

[siberianmo]

We open at 6 AM.
(All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


WEDNESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


Mid-week! C’mon in – enjoy a cup of freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee – a <light or <traditional breakfast from the Menu Board and of course one or two goodies from The Mentor Village Bakery!



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Railroads from Yesteryear –
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Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak Nite!
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-- Don't think of it as getting hot flashes. Think of it as your inner child playing with matches.

-- Don't let aging get you down. It's too hard to get back up.!

-- Remember: You don't stop laughing because you grow old, You grow old because you stop laughing.

-- THE SENILITY PRAYER : Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, the good fortune to run into the ones I do, and the eyesight to tell the difference.


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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 00:02:31 (358) WTB #4 – Mishaps on the MTC

(2) EricX2000 Eric Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 00:12:07 (358) Eary, early AM Arizona Report!

(3) barndad Doug Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 05:14:33 (358) Early AM Barnyard Chat ‘n THEME: NKP

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 06:47:39 (358) Tuesday’s Info & 12-Post Summary

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 07:05:39 (358) Something Special Notice

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 07:49:07 (358) THEME: NKP

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 10:00:08 (358) RR from Yesteryear – NY, Chicago & St. Louis (NKP)

(8) BudKarr BK Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 12:08:25 (358) Mountain Report ‘n THEME: NKP

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 12:57:42 (358) Daylite Inclusive Post!

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 13:08:39 (358) Acknowledgments ‘ Comments

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 13:41:25 (358) THEME: NKP Passenger Service

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 14:26:52 (358) The Count Speaks ‘n Berkshires in Ontario!

(13) passengerfan Al Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 15:23:06 (358) Al’s Chat ‘n THEME: NKP streamlined coaches

(14) wanswheel Mike Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 17:09:35 (358) THEME: URLs, etc.

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 17:36:00 (358) Putting the hammer down!

(16) passengerfan Al Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 17:42:17 (358) THEME: NKP streamlined dining & lounge cars

(17) barndad Doug Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 18:27:02 (358) THEME: NKP – Safety & General Rules ‘n Our Ladies of Perpetual Motion!

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 19:55:46 (359) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments

(19) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 20:40:26 (359) PM Inclusive Gulf Coast Report!

(20) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 22:34:40 (359) Late Nite Incluisve Post!

(21) passengerfan Al Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 22:51:27 (359) ENCORE: NKP streamlined sleeping cars



That’s it![tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

Good morning one and all, and I'll have the usual two light breakfasts. I got outside today just as the rain started, so I won't be biking to work today. Wow ... almost got tweeted again yesterday ... almost [;)]. Thanks for your kind words yesterday Ted. It's always nice to read your posts.

Nice little NKP streamlined sleeping car post Mr. Al, and a good way to end our theme day, I believe. Thanks for typing the very interesting Hamilton Street Railway post Mr. Rob. I wonder how much one of those $850 cars would fetch today if they were kept in good condition?

Here's a part-one Pike submission for ya'll to read with your morning coffee:

Model Builder Journalism by Allan W. Miller – Vintage Rails No. 9

For one thin dime, young – and not so young – model enthusiasts could purchase this issue of Model Builder in 1937. Inside, readers were invited to take part in a contest for the best-constructed miniature cattle corral. Grand prize was an O-gauge four-car Flying Yankee passenger train set, along with a work train outfit including a crane and floodlight car. Those not interested in contests could peruse plans for a “Country Crossing,” learn “How to Make an Indian Village,” investigate “Interesting Track Layouts,” and even read a first-hand account of a (prototype) “Wreck!”


Like most hobbyists who are serious about their leisure time pursuits, toy train modelers and collectors have a nearly insatiable appetite for information about the pastime they enjoy. Today, a wealth of printed material is readily available in the form of price guides, how-to reference books, and periodicals produced by several trade publishers, while more than a half-dozen national toy train organizations exist, along with newsletters, videos, and even on-line information via the internet.

But this present-day plethora of news and information has, for the most part, emerged over the last 20 or so years. In the period of the 1930s through the 1950s, when toy trains were establishing themselves as a branch – although an independent one - of the scale model railroading hobby, enthusiasts who proudly bore the label “tinplater” had relatively few sources of timely material relevant to their particular interests. Indeed, in the years leading up to and beyond World War II, the principle source of printed information and entertainment for toy trains was furnished not by independent editorial voice, but rather by a leading toy train manufacturer..

In 1930, the Lionel Corporation had already been long recognized for its assorted publishing ventures. The firm’s annual consumer catalogs were among the most popular publications of their type, and they were supplemented by a large variety of instructional, sales, promotional, and service literature that helped establish Lionel as the name in toy trains. But in May 1930, Lionel ventured into a journalistic phase of publishing and began producing The Lionel Magazine, targeted to members – generally young boys – of the firm’s established Lionel Engineer’s Club. Released on an irregular publishing schedule ranging from a low of four to a high of ten issues per year, this profusely illustrated, two-color periodical ceased publication with the September-October 1936issue, in which Lionel announced “A New Title for the Lionel Magazine.” In a brief statement the editors noted:

“This issue of The Lionel Magazine brings to an end a period of five years of pleasant association with its subscribers. There will be no more Lionel Magazine, as such, but there will be a magazine in its place which, we hope, will be of even greater usefulness to its readers. The new publication will be The Model Engineer, and all subscriptions to the Lionel Magazine will automatically be carried over to the new publication.”

The new Model Engineer, intended by Lionel to be published on a bimonthly basis, survived for precisely one issue: Volume 1, No. 1, with a cover date of November-December 1936. The magazine’s name was then quickly changed to Model Builder for the January-February 1937 issue, and the volume sequence was once again restarted at Volume 1, No. 1. The editor explained:

“The Model Builder is not a new magazine but an old, established publication with new blood running through its veins – and a new name. The Model Engineer, the title we are going to adopt, was drooped out of deference to a well-known magazine in England called The Model Engineer and Practical Electrician.”

Having diplomatically skirted the legal issue of copyright or trademark infringement with a British publisher whose title had been in place since the turn of the century, Lionel’s Model Builder magazine quickly forged ahead with timely, sprightly, and entertaining editorial content that included layout tours, track plans, construction projects, maintenance tips, prototype railroad features, and even an occasional bit of poetry. At its peak, the magazine reportedly reached some 50,000 eager subscribers – a respectable number even by today’s standards.

Although not exclusively devoted to model railroading with toy (as opposed to scale) trains, the content of Model Builder leaned heavily in the direction of those who chose to model with high-rail tinplate track and operate not quite to scale toy electric trains. In some ways, the magazine even helped to bridge the gap between scale-model purists ad toy train fans, demonstrating time and again that even a shiny, out of proportion toy train could attain a measure of believable realism when placed in a detailed setting. At one point in its tenure, Model Builder even included model plane and boat departments – the idea being to cater to those outdoor, summer month interests.

[:I] She told me we couldn't afford beer anymore and I'd have to quit. Then I caught her spending $65.00 on make-up. And I asked how come I had to give up stuff and she didn't. She said she needed the make-up to look pretty for me.
I told her that was what the beer was for.
I don't think she's coming back. [:I]

[trolleyboy]

Okay for Mr ted and everyone else a new classic juice.

CLASSIC JUICE # 29 THE HAMILTON STREET RAILWAY

The first public transit in the Hamilton area was provided by the Hamilton Street Railway ( HSR ), it was incorporated in 1873 as a horsecar line.The franchise came with provisions concerning fares,service,etc. And required the HSR to pay the city a $15 fee per car per year, and have free transfers from one route to another for all the riders. Something the people of Toronto did not get till the late 1890's !

The first six cars were built for $850 a piece by Stephanson and co, four more were aquired later from an unknown builder though the St louis car Co is believed to have been the builder. 3 and one quarter mile of track was constructed at $7000 a mile by a local contractor and service began on this first line along James St between Stuart and Bay on May 21 1874. The tracage was extended along King St east and the companies first car sheds were built on King east. By June the tracks were running from King West as far as Locke St, in the downtown core.

In 1875 this line which was all single tracked was doubled between Mary and Locke St's and a line extension was built down Stuart street to the Great Western train station ( later GT ) Within six months of openning, conductors were done away with and the horse cars were run with singleman crews.A farebox was hung on the wall near an oil alntern and many confused riders were known to have slipped their fare into the chimeny of the lamp in error ! Sunday Service was begun on the entire line in Oct of 1874, despite conciderable public out cry.

Extensions

1877 From Wellington via King to Wentworth St. Blake and Mountain Ave to Prospect street Wher the GM of the line lived !
1878 James street was extended a few blocks north of Stuart; and james South was extended to Charlton St. York Street was built on to Queen Street. KIng St to mary was Double tracked to Wellington
1879 Tracks on Blake were torn up and relaid on the North side of main street to trolley st ( now Gage ) forming an East Hamilton line. James st S was extended to Hannah and herkimer St's
1883 Herkimer was extended down to the intersection of james and Queen
1885 James St was double tracked to Burlington and York St's
1888 Barton st was extended down to join James and wentworth
1890 rails were removed from Wentworth and relayed on Main west abd the arton line was extended to Ottawa the James line was extended to Bay. New car barns were also built or prospect at this time to house the additional equipment needed for the longer runs.
1891 herkimer was extended to Queen and Locke and King west was double tracked to locke St..

The HSR was now approaching the end of it's life as a horsecar line with 12 miles of track 45 cars,9 sleighs and 160 horses. With the exception of a bad year in 1884-85 it had declared a dividend to it's finaciers from the first year of operation. In 1890 the directors of the company first started looking at electrifying the property. With the franchise due to run out in 1893, and a new company espousing the merrits of electrification was started( backed by the local utility co ) so the old company got a new 20 franchise well before the expiry date and completed a blt line looping the downtown core in may of 1893.

The company then arranged with a fgirm out of Ottawa called Ahearn and Soper for the electrification of the system, at a caost of $197,000 a steam plant was built on Hughson st near Bay, an d15 of the horse cars ( 10 close 5 open ) were converted to electric power. Only the wood bodies were reused as new Brill trucks were purchased to power them.The first test run of the new electric system satrted on June 29 1892 by Jan of 1894 the entire system was under wires,The longest route on the system the belt line which ran on Hetrkimer & locke to Barton and wentworth was scheduled and run in 22 and a half minutes by the electric cars up from the 45 of the horse cars.

Franchise Problems

Three years after electrification the company had problems keeping up wihtt he various mortgages and franchise aggreements. In 1899 it was bought by the Hamilton Cataract Co and this eneabled the HSR to begin usuing power from teh companies Decew falls Power plant which was much more reliable than the original steam plant.Which was reduced to standby service. Starting in 1904, during rush hours the HSR's cars from the Barton St line were extended for service over the Cataracts other electric radial lines.In several areas the HSR built tracks parallell to the Hamilton radial and both companies would use them as passing tracks.

Second Hand Cars

In 1901 the first of a number of second hand purchases were made.ten double truck open cars, only a year old were brought in from an unknown US city. Six yeasr later six of them were rebuilt as closed cars. In 1904 five 10 bench open cars and in 1905 twelve single truck closed cars were purchased from the Brooklyn Rapid Transit Co.Second hand purchases continued with amny Pullman standard and Kuhlman products all PAYE confige were brought in between 1908-1912

Rehabilitation

ASn agreement was made with the city to help pay for system upgrades in 1908. It also allowed for the ordering of new cars to replace the many old worn out single truck horse car conversions still roaming the rails. orders were placed in 1910 and 1912 fpr 36 new double truck cars, the first new city cars bought since 1893 ! more second hand cars were purchased in 1917 when the Candain builders were teid up with war production. 12 old cars were bought from Cleveland and rehabilitated at the Preston car and Caoch Co 4 were lost in the fire that destroyed most of PC&C in late 1917.

In 1910 tracks were rebuilt along Burlington St east from James to Wellington and were continued on east to meet the double tracked Hamilton Rafdial line on Sherman St , this extension was completed in 1916 and gave the HSR service along the interurban lines running on Kennilworth and Barton St's.

Nrew barns were built to alleviate over crowding and the south barn which had a fire in 1908 was demolished for a new building whick encompassed all rebuilding repair and storage needs fro the HSR. The Pay as you Enter system was instituted in august of 1918 on the Belt line and system wide in 1919 along with nearside stops to ensure the safe training and detraining of passengers.

Extensions

Despite the finacial pinch extensions created, some new extensions were made in the early 1920's.
1920 A line was built west on paradise Rd to Margaret St
190-22 this line was extended to Cline ave to give the HSR access to the affluent Westdale area of the city. The intension was to build onto the town of Dundas and Linking with the hamilton and Dundas Interurban bu teh H&D went bankrupt in 1923 and closed down. The HSR ran service on the Old H&D line but thisd was ended in 1928 as the H&D line was never double tracked and would have nbeen to expensive to rehabilitate.

More New Cars
As required over a three year span the HSR ordered 48 cars all steell arh roofed units from Hamilton Steel car, these were built to replace most of the second hand wood bodied fleet aquired nearly two decades before. They were put into service between May of 1927 and March of 1929 these were similar to amny of thenewer riveted cars in Toronto and Montreal one #521 atill exists today at our museum awaiting its turn in the restoration shop.

The new era

Buses started to operate in the city in 1929 and slowly the retractions of rail service began. the first routes to go were the stubended single track line son Barton and King st east.CN openned a new station in 1929 at james street so the old Great western station was torn down and therefore the redundant streetcar line on Stuart St was tron up.In 1930 the cataract tarction Co's assetes was bought by Ontario Hydro and more supurfluous lines were cut in favour of taxis and bus routes.. However in 1939 Ontario Hydro began replacing the old power systems to standard 25 cycle system. This should have ended the HSR once and for all but Ontario Hydro brought in all the 25 cycle comaptable equipmnet fromit's defunct Windsor sandwich and exeter interurban giving the HSR's streetcars a repreive.During the second World war the system ran at it's highest efficiancy of it's life carrying well over 15 million riders a year ( city of 100,000 at the time )Once the war eneded Ontario Hydro had a well and truly worn out system requiring millions in upgraddes so a slow abandonment process was began bus for streetcar. In Feb of 1949 a published timetable for disconyinuance was posted. Westdale 1949, Burlington St 1951 aand fianlly the Belt line in 1954. In 1954 new wire was strung over most of the Belt line for twin pole Brill electric Bus services, even Barton and Wentworth street recieved the trackless trolley's. The original Brills were replaced by larger Flyer electric Busses in 1974 and 76. thes carried on until 1982-83 when the ressession finally eneded the electric era on the HSR.

Today the HSR ( stilled called that ) continues full natural gas powerd bus service over the entire city of Hamilton and some runs into the surrounding cities of Ancaster and Stoney Creek.

Rob

[passengerfan]

Good Evening Tom, Time for one more CR and a round for those still inhabiting Our Place.

Just thought I would do one more post on the NKP before the day is done.

NEW YORK
CHICAGO
&
ST. LOUIS
(NICKEL PLATE)
Streamlined Sleeping Cars
By Al

The first lightweight streamlined Sleeping cars operated on the NKP were a pair of Pullman Pool service 18 roomette cars ROOMETTE I and ROOMETTE II. These two cars were assigned to overnight Chicago - Cleveland service in the NICKEL PLATE LIMITED with the new names MOSES CLEAVELAND and ROBERT DE LA SALLE respectively. In 1945 these cars ownership was transferred to the NKP and the cars remained in NICKEL PLATE LIMITED service until January 1950. At that time the cars were transferred to overnight St. Louis - Cleveland service in unnamed 9-10. With the change the cars were repainted Blue and Silver to match the new 10-6 sleeping cars then arriving and renamed once again. MOSES CLEVELAND was renamed COTY OF COLDWATER and ROBERT DE LA SALLE received the new name CITY OF ST. MARYS. The two cars eventually were transferred back to the NICKEL PLATE LIMITED and ran out there days in that train before retirement in July 1961after that date they became stationary Crew Dormitory cars. The two cars were scrapped in 1968 at Decatur, Ill.

18 ROOMETTE SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard August 1937 Plan: 4068 Lot: 6494 (Built for Pullman Pool as experimental car introducing the Roomette)

215 CITY OF ST. MARYS ex MOSES CLEVELAND originally ROOMETTE I

18 ROOMETTE SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard December 1938 Plan: 4068G Lot: 6556 (Built for Pullman Pool from blank car body built in 1937)

216 CITY OF COLDWATER ex ROBERT DE LA SALLE originally ROOMETTE II

The NKP received new 10-6 Sleeping cars in 1950 built by Pullman Standard almost identical to those built for the C&O with the Bedrooms located in the center of the cars and five Roomettes located at each end. The NKP was closely associated with the C&O at the time the cars were ordered. The thirteen cars were delivered in January and February 1950. The first 10-6 sleeping cars delivered were assigned to the NICKEL PLATE LIMITED between Chicago - Cleveland, Chicago - Buffalo and in partnership with the DL&W there were through 10-6 sleeping cars between Chicago and Hoboken. In addition the new 10-6 sleeping cars were assigned to the NEW YORKER and its westbound counterpart the WESTERNER with sleeping cars between Chicago and Hoboken again in partnership with the DL&W both roads supplying 10-6 sleeping cars for this service. Unnamed 9-10 the St. Louis - Cleveland trains were the last to receive the 10-6 sleeping cars with each consist receiving a single car operating with the 18 Roomette cars until they were returned to the NICKEL PLATE LIMITED later in 1950. Beginning September 25, 1954 the NICKEL PLATE LIMITED trains were renamed the CITY OF CLEVELAND and CITY OF CHICAGO but continued to operate to and from Buffalo with through sleeping cars beyond to and from Hoboken. The through sleeping car service beyond Buffalo ended in 1958. After the merger of the Erie and DL&W October 17, 1960 forming the E-L the WESTERNER and NEW YORKER only carried through sleeping cars between Hoboken and Cleveland after August 4, 1962. The NKP/DL&W route between Chicago and Hoboken was 920 miles only thirteen miles greater than the PRR route and over forty miles shorter than the NYC route.
Over on the St. Louis - Cleveland route the unnamed trains 9-10 received names beginning October 28, 1956 westbound was named the BLUE ARROW and its eastbound counterpart was named the BLUE DART. The westbound BLU ARROW made its final run March 13, 1959 and the following day the eastbound BLUE DART made its final run. The CITY OF CLEVELAND and CITY OF CHICAGO lasted until after the N&W merger October 16, 1964 not being discontinued until September 10, 1965. All of the 10-6 Sleeping cars were sold to other railroads with eight going to the IC and five going to the CN. Both roads stripped the fluted stainless panels from the cars and repainted them in their own color schemes.
Besides the new 10-6 Sleeping cars received in 1950 the NKP received two 5 Double Bedroom 3 crew Dormitory Kitchen 18 seat dining 4 Seat Lounge cars numbered and named 150 CITY OF CLEVELAND and 151 CITY OF CHICAGO. These two cars operated in overnight service between their namesake cities. They served as lounges at night and served breakfast in the morning before arrival in the opposite terminals.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard January - February 1950 Plan: 4167A Lot: 6866 (Built for and assigned to NKP passenger trains)

200 CITY OF BUFFALO

201 CITY OF ST. LOUIS

202 CITY OF LORAIN

203 CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS

204 CITY OF PAINESVILLE

205 CITY OF ERIE

206 CITY OF TOLEDO

207 CITY OF PEORIA

208 CITY OF KOKOMO

209 CITY OF MUNCIE

210 CITY OF FINDLAY

211 CITY OF LIMA

212 CITY OF FT. WAYNE

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM 3 CREW DORMITORY BUFFET KITCHEN 18 SEAT DINETTE 4 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard May 1950 Plan: 4169 Lot: 6867 (Built for and assigned to NICKEL PLATE LIMITED)

150 CITY OF CLEVELAND

151 CITY OF CHICAGO

TTFN Al

[trolleyboy]

Good evening again Leon. I think a cr for me and a round of whatever pleases everyone else ( as long as it's not carbonated or dom perion ) [swg]

Well a good day , I think was had by all Tom The NKP was indeed a hit [tup] another tour de force theme railroad.Recieved your latest email, responce will likley come in the morning when I'm a bit more awake and lucid. [:D]

Al Thanks for the finish up on the NKP's sparce but interesting opassenger services. To the hockey one must remember that 70% of those playing on all the teams in the league hail from the sports mother country. A lot less tthan the percentage of say ten years ago, but most of the teams find themselves well stocked with Canadian born players.

Doug great ceasars ghost I think you found your train information. Wonderfull set of rules and regs sir. In reading through them I detected some rules even published at that point which were of the common sence why do we need to be told about it category. More evidence of the failings of man, and hs belief in his own imortality. Still a good read [tup]

Mike A decent set of urls as per usual sir thanks for sharing them.

Ted I'm sure that your recruting will pay off eventually for us. there's lots of retired railfans and rail lovers and ex employees in Florida I'm sure [;)] Sooo should I book a ticket for the Royal Canadians for you as well sir, we'ed love to have you [:D]

Rob

[Anonymous]

"A day late and a dollar short," I'm living up to that motto very well today. Appologies for the late arrival. Tom, how's about a C.R. and soda w/twist, if you please. Who woulld've thunk it? The Nickel Plate Road? I never could've called that shot for so much participation and interest. Certainly the Lima built Berks were in a class "all their own" and defintely a favorite raod class steam loco for me personally. Until today, I didn't appreciate the rather precarious "thin line" that Road straddled between to giants of the "Robber Baron" era, J. P. Gould and the Vanderbuilt empire. The Road may have been a bit shy on passenger varnish but they certainly pulled the stops with their choice of Alco PAs and latter day steam. Mike I caught that link to the N.Y.C., St Louis train out of K.C., Mo's Union Station.[^] The other URLs were timely and "right on" as well. Rob, me old trinkin' buddy plays the guitar and drums from a era long gone now when guitars were a primary instrument in the rhythm section of big bands. Sory, I haven't recruited more successfully but there still may be hope for later. All of the "regular" Royal Canadians are now retired or have "moved to another room" by now. Carmen, Guy's brother, really ran the band and Guy "fronted" for him.. I'm sure you will enjoy your "dance date" Good to hear from BK and spouse from the cool climes of the high country again. Your batting a 1,000 for input in my book and every contribution really is appreciated. Barndad and CM3, you two are "hand-in-glove" with tandem postings that just seem to be a perfect fit. Al, glad you mentioned the reshops on the "streamlined" dining cars. I must have missed it on previous posts. Hey Eric, like many of us, the Nickel Plate is a bit out of our territories which makes it all the more fun to read through, don't you think? I know I'm missing somebody and it bothers me but not enough to realize it's getting late and another early day tomorrow. Tom, needless to say you have another tour de force under your belt this time, always consistent quality and complete.[tup] Okay Boris[/b], it's that time again....briiing.[:O] Turn off duh alarm clock and ring duh bell![:(!] [alien] Happy rails gang.

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Finally! A Pix of Wolfman Pete's favorite group - Our Ladies of Perptetual Motion! Nice going Doug!

That's a borderline Tweeetable Post! Better watch it, thin ice seems to be your "thing" lately! <grin> What a list of safety and general rules - and I supposed they were to be memorized, eh [?] [swg]

Good to see you back in fine form Rob! [tup] Received your Email and replied . . . thanx! [tup]

Just when I thought [passengerfan Al - 20 Fingers - Yogi had deserted us - he comes back wtih some fine material! Oh ye of llittle faith! [swg]


Appreciate the supporting THEME: NKP from all! [tup] [tup] [tup]


REMINDER:
Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!

Catch y'all in the AM! [tup]


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good evening Tom and gents! I'll have a bottlemless draught if you please, purchase the usual round for the house, and kick in some Michigan quarters for the Herr Wurlitzer.

Looks like there's been a lot of participation on today's theme, and I'm sure enjoying it over here! Cm3 contributed very interesting 1939 pasenger travel facts, as well as the NKP schedules. Tom prepaired another fine Wikipedia article for us, which I found quite interesting. BK/Ldia (welcome back!) submitted some real nice NKP schedule covers. Rob wrote abut NKP passenger service, and Al covered the NKP streamlined coaches (of course). Finally Mike came through with more great URLs. Among my favorite was the turntable and the LaSalle St. station. NKP sure had some purty cars!

At the risk of being accused of "data dumping", take a peek at the following. There's a lot more to it, which I would be happy to send to anyone requesting same.

Nickel Plate Road
SAFETY RULES
Look -- Observe -- Think
Effective Sept. 1, 1954
________________________________________
SAFETY RULES
The rules herein set forth govern the employees of The New York, Chicago and St. Louis Railroad Company, and must be observed by all employees whose duties are in any way affected thereby.
They take effect:
• 1:01 A.M. (Eastern Standard Time)
• 12:01 A.M. (Central Standard Time)
September 1, 1954, superseding all previous rules and instructions inconsistent thereby.
Special instructions may be issued by proper authority.
R.C. Sabens,
Superintendent of Safety
Approved:
-- J.C. Wallaces,
---- Vice President -- Operations
________________________________________
GENERAL NOTICE
A. Safety is of the first importance in the discharge of duty.
B. The Railroad does not expect its employees to take any risks, when they can protect themselves by using care and good judgment.
C. Officers and supervisory forces shall regularly make observations and checks, and take action to insure compliance with these rules.
D. Employees who persist in practices which are unsafe, shall be subject to discipline.
E. Safety goes much further than rules and their enforcement. It involves the cultivation of safe habits, restraint and control.
________________________________________
GENERAL RULES
A. Each employee will be furnished a copy of these rules and will be required to comply with them. If in doubt as to the meaning of any rule, the employee should ask his supervisor for an explanation.
B. Supervisors are responsible for safety education and must know that employees under their jurisdiction have been provided with a copy of the safety rules.
C. Teamwork is essential to safety. When working in groups, each man must understand the moves to be made.
D. Experienced employees should assist new or inexperienced employees in acquiring safe working habits.
E. Good housekeeping is essential to safety.
F. All personal injuries, regardless of severity, must be given first aid and/or medical attention at once and should be reported promptly.
1001. Employees should ALWAYS USE AUTHORIZED ROUTE TO AND FROM WORK, ENGINE HOUSES, YARDS, SHOPS, STATIONS, ETC., and never use hazardous short cuts or cross under, over or between cars.
1002. Keep AISLES, ROADWAYS, STAIRWAYS CLEAR of obstructions.
1003. Employees should keep a SAFE DISTANCE FROM PASSING TRAINS to avoid injury from falling objects, and be on the lookout for and report defective equipment and lading.
1004. BEFORE CROSSING OR FOULING TRACKS, look in both directions for trains, engines, or cars, and do not cross ahead of moving trains, engines, or cars, except at a safe distance.
________________________________________
1005. PASSING THROUGH STEAM or smoke which obscures vision is forbidden, except when unavoidable, in which event extreme care must be exercised.
1006. Employees PACKING OR SHIPPED MATERIAL must see that there are no protruding nails, wire, etc. on the containers.
1007. ALL MATERIAL, including scrap, MUST BE PILED or placed in an orderly manner, and removed as soon as practicable.
1008. WIRE ROPE CABLE on cranes, coal docks, tractor cranes or any lifting device, must be inspected as often as necessary by an authorized employee, and when defective, must be replaced.
DEVICES USED IN LIFTING, such as slings, hooks, clamps, etc. must be maintained in good condition at all times.
ALL ROPES, such as hand line, guy lines, slings and rope in pulley blocks must be examined for signs of wear or defects before using.
1009. WHEN LIFTING, have secure footing, bend knees, keep back erect, take firm grip on the object, slowly straightening the legs. Do not attempt to lift beyond normal physical capabilities. If too heavy for safe lifting, get help.
1010. USE LEATHER GLOVES when handling sharp materials, such as metal lath, sheet steel. Wear gloves when handling wire mesh, and iron coils, barbed wire, etc. Do not lift packages by placing hands between steel strapping and package. Handle same as if not strapped or wired.
1011. HOT CINDERS should be wet down before loading. When wetting down cinders, always remain at a safe distance.
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1012. When LIFTING HEAVY CARTONS, sacked material, or gang planks, bend your knees in a squat position; grip the package firmly, and with your back nearly upright, lift principally with your leg muscles. (DO NOT bend over and lift with your back muscles -- this may cause strain or sprain.)
1013. WHEN GETTING ON OR OFF engine, cars or cabooses, OR GOING UP AND DOWN LADDERS, face equipment and make sure of your hand-hold. Don't carry grips, tool boxes, bundles, etc., so as to interfere with you free and safe movement.
1014. Before CLIMBING POLES, ladders, scaffolds, or other elevated structures, first assure yourself that the pole, ladder, scaffold, tree, cross arm, messenger wire, cable car, or boatswain's chair, or other elevated support is strong enough to safely sustain your weight.
1015. ALL PORTABLE STRAIGHT LADDERS not equipped with safety shoes, when in use, must be properly against slipping.
1016. PLACE LADDER so that distance from its base to object which it is to lean against is at least one-quarter of the ladder's length; otherwise ladder must be protected against overturning to tipping.
1017. Use only good sound planking, free of knots for SCAFFOLDING.
1018. Employees must be PROPERLY CLOTHED WHEN CLIMBING POLES, or trees, and each pole or tree must be examined to insure its being sufficiently sound to withstand the weight of the climber. Cross arms must be inspected to insure their sufficiently strong to withstand the weight imposed, before leaning, sitting or standing on them.
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1019. Properly fitted GOGGLES, which are provided by the company, must be worn at all time when engaged in girding, chipping, cutting or caulking any metal, or when engaged in other hazardous to the eyes.
1020. While RELEASING BRAKES equipped with release controlled by lever or other such device, keep all parts of body clear of revolving parts of brake.
1021. Using any part of an ADJACENT CAR FOR FOOTREST, when applying or releasing brake, is prohibited.
1022. A SIGNAL TO STOP may be given by anyone in emergency. SIGNALS TO MOVE may be given only by a person authorized to do so.
1023. When LIGHTING FUSEE, hold end to be lighted in a position so as to prevent fire dropping on hands, feet or clothing, and strike outward from body.
1024. When OPENING OR CLOSING CAR DOORS, do not put hands or fingers between door rail or post and car doors.
1025. When OPENING DOORS OR LOADED BOX CAR, do not stand in front of openings.
1026. None but authorized persons are permitted to MOVE ENGINES.
1027. Employees should exercise care in MOUNTING OR RIDING DROP END GONDOLAS to keep hands and body clear of end to avoid possible injury.
1028. Wearing of loose or baggy CLOTHING, flowing neckties, etc., while on duty should be avoided.
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1029. While WORKING AROUND MACHINERY, clothing should be buttoned closely. When two-piece overalls are worn, the overall jacket should be worn inside trousers.
1030. PLACING CLOTHING, TOOLS R OTHER OBJECTS where they may foul ladder rung, handholds, footboard, running board, step, end sill, or other safety appliances, on engine, tender, car or work equipment, is forbidden.
1031. HOLD AIR HOSE firmly with one hand while reducing brake pipe pressure with angle **** so that hose will not fly around and strike you.
1032. STEP HATCHES AND VESTIBULE DOORS should be kept closed except when opened by a member of the train crew.
1033. Employees WORKING ON, ABOUT, OR IN THE VICINITY OF ENGINES must be warned before opening blow-off cocks, cylinder cocks, operating air pumps, injectors, stokers, or reversing valve motion.
1034. COAL BOARDS, SCRAPERS, HOOKS, other detached parts, and tools must be so PLACED ON the tenders of LOCOMOTIVES that they will not project beyond the sides and will not fall off when the locomotives are in motion.
1035. SQUIRT HOSE must not be a hung over or through locomotive handholds or in gangways between engine and tender, or in such position that it might be mistaken for a handhold. Hose, when not in use, must be placed in holder provided.
1036. Employees should USE WATER SPOUT HOOK when pulling water column around to take water and must be in a safe position while doing so.
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1037. When TAKING WATER and clearance permits, manhole cover should not be opened until spout has been pulled around in place. When possible, replace manhole cover before returning to normal position.
1038. Employees must not STAND ON TOP OF TENDER between cab of locomotive and coal chute while taking coal.
1039. Care must be exercised in COALING TENDERS of locomotives to avoid overloading them with coal which might fall off and cause injury to employees and others.
1040. A BLUE SIGNAL, displayed at one or both ends of an engine, car or train, indicates that workmen are under or about it; when thus protected, it must not be coupled to or moved. Each class of workmen will display the blue signals and the same workmen are alone authorized to remove them. Other equipment must not be placed on the same track so as to obstruct the view of the blue signals, without first notifying the workmen.
When emergency repair work is to be done under or about cars in a train and a BLUE SIGNAL IS NOT AVAILABLE, the engineman and fireman will be notified and protection must be given those engaged in making the repairs.
1041. In additional to the use of the blue signals for the protection of persons working under or between cars. SWITCHES LEADINGS TO PERMANENTLY ASSIGNED REPAIR TRACKS MUST BE KEPT LOCKED with a special lock while workmen are at work on such tracks, the key to be retained and used only by the persons assigned to this duty. This protection must not be removed by the person who placed it until he knows that the workmen so understand.
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1042. Pipe to other makeshift handles must not be used in place of regular JACK HANDLES. Jack levers must be removed from jacks immediately after the load is raised or lowered.
1043. COMPRESSED AIR must not be used for cleaning clothing on the body. The applying of air nozzle against the body of anyone is forbidden.
1044. PORTABLE MOTORS that have a rotating type tool in place must not be picked up by taking hold of the tool. When handling a portable air hammer or gun, the tool must be directed away from the body.
1045. The THROWING OF TOOLS or material to or from the top of cars, engines, scaffolding, etc., is forbidden, or throwing any object from train, engine, car, or any other place, except when care is used to prevent injury to others.
1046. PROPER TOOLS must be used at all times. Substitute tools must not be used except in an emergency, and then only under the supervision of a Foreman.
1047(a). NO EMPLOYEE SHOULD ENTER OR WORK ON THE TANK OF A CAR OR OTHER CONTAINER that has held an inflammable gas or liquid, with open flame, gas or rivets or other source of fire, until it has been thoroughly cleaned and is free of all such gases or liquids.
(b) VENTILATION must be provided when necessary to work in closed places with acetylene welding or burning outfits or when cleaning out oil tanks or storage tanks.
1048. FIRE EXTINGUISHERS of CO2 and carbo-tetrachloride or Du-Gas type are provided on all locomotives.
All persons concerned should read instructions printed on these extinguishers and become familiar with their use.
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Do not breathe fumes coming from carbon-tetrachloride sprayed on fire.
Water should not be used on fire in a diesel locomotive except as a last resort.
Extreme care must be used in HANDLING TO CABON-TETRACHLORIDE in a confined place.
1049. Only authorized persons are PERMITTED TO OPERATE MACHINERY, engines, tools or appliances.
1050. TOOLS SHOULD NOT BE THROWN for one employee to another.
1051. The USE OF DEFECTIVE EQUIPMENT is forbidden. Report such conditions to your supervisor immediately and do not use until repaired.
1052. Machines must not be CLEANED OR LUBRICATED WHILE IN MOTION.
1053. JACKS must not be used metal to metal, but a piece of wood or approved cushioning material must be placed between the head of the jack and metal to prevent slipping. Good blocking must be used under the jack, and must be carefully placed, and level, to avoid tipping or slipping from under the load.
1054. Employees finding CROSSED OR FALLEN WIRES must not attempt to correct such conditions unless familiar with and proper equipped for such work. Immediate notice must be given to proper officer for prompt handling and condition protected.
1055. Employees must report any LAMP SOCKET OR OTHER ELECTRICAL APPLICANCE from which a shock is felt.
1056. ELECTRIC EQUIPMENT AND LINES SHOULD ALWAYS BE CONSIDERED AS ALIVE, unless they are positively known to be dead. Before starting work, preliminary inspection or tests should be always be made to determine what conditions exit.
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1057. METAL MEASURING TAPES, folding metal rules, ropes, or hand lines having metal threads woven into the fabric must not be used near exposed live parts.
The HEIGHT OF HIGH TENSION WIRES MUST NOT BE MEASURED by throwing any tape, string or other device over the wires.
1058. Operator of company-owned or controlled automotive vehicles must bring such vehicles to a FULL STOP AT RAILROAD CROSSINGS before proceeding across the tracks.
1059. Only PROPERLY QUALIFIED EMPLOYEES are permitted to operate company vehicles and machinery. No rider will be permitted on any vehicle or skid unless a proper seat is provided on the equipment.
1060. A red flag or cloth must be placed at the end of MATERIAL WHICH EXTENDS beyond the end of the body of motor vehicles.
1061. Wearing of THIN-SOLED SHOES should be avoided. SAFETY SHOES are recommended.
1062. When OPERATING SWITCH STAND keep body clear of lever travel and feet in position where the will not be caught or struck by lever or ball.
1063. Points of a SPRING SWITCH ARE UNDER COMPRESSION, and tension of the switch mechanism will cause the switch lever to move with considerable force when:
• (a) The wheels of a car or engine are on or moving through the switch;
• (b) The switch points are moving;
• (c) The switch points are standing open;
• (d) Except in emergency, the switch must not be operated by hand when any of the above conditions exit
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If an emergency exists, extreme precautions must be taken by person attempting to operate the switch, and he must place and keep his body clear of the movement of the hand throw lever.
1064. Keep OXYGEN CYLINDERS AND TORCHES free from oil or grease. Do not handle oxygen cylinders or torches with oily hands or gloves. (Oil or grease in the presence of oxygen under pressure will ignite violently.)
1065. Smoking near STORAGE BATTERIES is prohibited. Open flames, except those used by qualified repairmen, near storage batteries is prohibited. Wear goggles when working on storage batteries, and see that the vent holes in battery plugs are kept open. Batteries which are being charged give off an explosive gas. Battery compartments should be left open while charging batteries. Rooms in which spare batteries are stored should be well ventilated.
1066. RESPIRATORS must be used when spray painting, sand or abrasive blasting, and when handling sand in sand houses.
1067. Before STARTING A JOB stop and think what may happen and then be alert.
1068. Stations, buildings, platforms, GROUNDS must be kept IN PROPER CONDITION for the SAFETY OF ALL CONCERNED. Walks, stairs, aisles, driveways, walkways, and floor space where men have to work or pass should be kept free from obstructions, slippery substances, etc.
1069. A MANHOLE COVER should not be removed except with a strong suitable hook or apparatus, and in such a way as to eliminate danger.
1070. An employee must not ENTER A MANHOLE, frost box, or other tight enclosures until he is satisfied that it is free from poisonous or explosive gases.
1071. Manholes or other openings with COVERS REMOVED must be protected.
1072. EMPLOYEES WHO OPERATED COMPANY VEHICLES must not violate any of state, city, or county driving laws, codes or regulations. They must have the required driver's license in their possession and are urged to be courteous to others on the highway.
1073. The following PRACTICES ARE FORBIDDEN:
• (a) PLAYING PRANKS, wrestling, scuffling, fighting, throwing things are one another, or practical jokes on company property or on duty.
• (b) Walking or BEING ON TRACKS except as required in the performance of duty.
• (c) Sitting, stepping, or WALKING ON RAIL.
• (d) LEANING AGAINST ENGINES or cars.
• (e) SEEKING SHELTER or going under engines or cars unnecessarily.
• (f) RIDING LEADING FOOTBOARDS of engines.
• (g) RIDING BETWEEN CARS. Riding between engine and car, except when necessary.
• (h) Using CATWALK ON ENGINE CAB except to make minor repairs while moving.
• (i) RIDING WITH FEET HANGING over side or end or car; on top of high cars or loads; on leading end sill or drawbar of car.
• (j) Riding in or placing ANY PART OF BODY INSIDE CARS containing loads that may shift.
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• (k) RIDING ENGINES, cars, track cars, or other equipment, except when duties require. Employees other than those engaged in train or engine service, GETTING ON OR OFF MOVING TRAIN, ENGINES OR CARS.
• (l) Walking, standing, or SITTING ON EDGE OF CAR ROOF. Walking, standing or sitting on top end or side of open top car.
• (m) JUMPING FROM TOP OF CAR to car on adjacent track.
• (n) Stepping or JUMPING ACROSS OPEN PITS.
• (o) LEAVING TOOLS OR MATERIAL ON ENGINES, cars, scaffolding, or buildings, where they may fall.
• (p) INSERTING FINGERS IN HOLES to determine if alignment is proper for insertion of rivets, bolts, or pins.
• (q) Using DEFECTIVE TOOLS.
• (r) STRIKING OF TEMPERED TOOLS with other than proper and prescribed hammers or sledges.
• (s) Using fusees, kerosene or gasoline to START OR INTENSIFY A FIRE.
• (t) GETTING ON OR OFF MOVING ELEVATORS, turntables, or transfer tables.
• (u) STANDING UNDER OR UNSAFELY NEAR EQUIPMENT or other heavy material which is being lifted or pulled by rope, chair or cable.
• (v) Carrying of MATERIALS ON LEADING END OF ENGINES.
• (w) Using GASOLINE FOR CLEANING PURPOSES.

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for another CR and a round for the house.

Mike sorry I didn't acknowledge the beautiful Super Chief photo before when you first posted. There are surprisingly few color pictures of the early Super Chiefs. I would imagine their are probably hundreds if not thousands of RR photos languishing away in attics and basements and its too bad we can't find them and bring them out for all to enjoy. Many young people taday have no idea what their grandfathers photo collections really contain and unless family members are depicted the rest get tossed.

NEW YORK
CHICAGO
&
ST. LOUIS
(NKP)
Streamlined Dining & Lounge Cars
by Al

The Nickel Plate owned no lightweight streamlined dining cars, but rebuilt and modernized a number of heavyweight dining cars and dining-lounge cars with a streamlined appearance following WW II. These cars were rebuilt and streamlined and the Nickel Plates Stony Island shops.
Cars 125 and 126 were rebuilt and streamlined from Café-Coaches and after modernization became dining lounge cars seating 24 in the dining room and 22 in the lounge section. They were most often assigned to the St. Louis – Cleveland route numbers 9-10.
Numbers 127-131 were rebuilt and streamlined with 18-seat Dining rooms and 10 seat lounges. These operated in Chicago – Buffalo trains and Chicago - Cleveland trains.
In May 1950 Pullman Standard delivered a pair of 5-Double Bedroom 3 Crew Dormitory Buffet 18-seat Café 4-seat Lounge cars. These two cars were 150 CITY OF CLEVELAND and 151 CITY OF CHICAGO and operated in overnight service between their namesake cities. Both were sold privately in 1970 and operate for private owners today.

5-DOUBLE BEDROOM 3-CREW DORMITORY BUFFET 18-SEAT CAFÉ 4-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard May 1950 Plan: 4169 Lot: 6867 (Built for and assigned to Cleveland – Chicago NICKEL PLATE LIMITED)

150 CITY OF CLEVELAND

151 CITY OF CHICAGO

The NKP was merged into the N&W October 16, 1964

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Appears as if a "challenge" has been thrown my way . . . and I'm up for it!

This bar was established by me for the purpose of discussing, in an adult environment - which I decided would be a cyber bar 'n grill where alcoholic beverages are served - the subject of classic trains. This is not a diner nor a coffee shop, so If anyone - and I mean anyone - has a problem with that - take your leave. We're not in the business of begging, cajoling or otherwise pandering for business around here!

I've had just about enough of the "dancing around" some guys seem to think is cute - if you don't like it here or don't appreciate the way things are done here - start your own Thread and good luck to you.

Consider this an oblique response to an oblique Post! [tdn]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom & all, a round for the house

Ted, I appreciate that you pay attention to things.

CM3, keep typing, good stuff. I didn't know NKP had trains east of Buffalo.

Doug, map is helpful, north of Lake Erie too. Commuting far on a bicycle, incredible!

Eric, thanks for looking at the old pictures.

Al, don't know if you saw this, here it is again
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34700/1a34726r.jpg

NKP history of Cleveland
http://ech.cwru.edu/ech-cgi/article.pl?id=NPR

NKP locomotive #1
http://nkprr.railfan.net/engine1.html

NKP Cleveland Station
http://web.ulib.csuohio.edu/nkp/station2.jpg

Vicinity of the old station
http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/cut&CISOPTR=888&REC=10

1890s steam on bridge
http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/lakewood&CISOPTR=1055&REC=3

NKP 407
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/nkp407.jpg

NKP 763 (enlarges)
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns1531.jpeg

NKP 378 on the Lima turntable
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/nkp378.jpg

Lima turntable again (enlarges)
http://www.nkphts.org/pictures/ameling/images/Turntable-Lima-O.-2-1947.jpg

NKP 759
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=231864
http://www.leclairerail.com/Additions-GF/aGF-R6-E108.jpg
http://nkprr.railfan.net/postcards/759/759_7pcjpg.html

LaSalle St. Station
http://www.nkphts.org/pictures/nkphts/171.jpg

The CCCC
http://web.ulib.csuohio.edu/nkp/nkp1409.jpg

NKP ROW east of E. 89th St., Cleveland
http://web.ulib.csuohio.edu/nkp/nkp1597.jpg

NKP 562
http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/lakewood&CISOPTR=1356&REC=5

Eastbound freight
http://www.leclairerail.com/Additions-GF/gf47distantSpringer.jpg

NKP 1
http://www.nkphts.org/pictures/nkphts/1.jpg

NKP 84
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=92456

NKP 190
http://www.nkphts.org/pictures/shared/ameling/images/190_continental.jpg
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=395100

Cabooses
http://www.nkphts.org/pictures/ameling/images/426-BW-Cab-Builders-Photo.jpg

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Too bad about the Oilers seems the teams North of the Border no longer dominate their National pastime. Who would of thunk a team of players in North Carolina. I guess if its any consolation not a single player was from there. Remember tyhe old battles between the Canadians and Maple Leafs. Chicago and Boston wasn't bad either.
Now even we have a hockey team the Stockton Thunder and they outsold the indoor Soccer and indoor football teams. Who would have thought sell out crowds for Hockey in California's Central Valley. Have always enjoyed attending a hockey game as the TV cameras have trouble keeping up with the Puck.

The NKP had a very small fleet of streamlined cars all from Pullman Standard. Will try to cover as many as possible today.

NICKEL PLATE
NKP
Streamlined Coaches by Al

The NKP purchased a total of ten streamlined Coaches new numbers 100- 109 delivered by Pullman Standard in February 1950. These 52 revenue seat Coaches were identical to those built for the C&O but were not part of the C&O order. The new cars were assigned to the NICKEL PLATE LIMITED between Chicago and Buffalo and the ARROW between Cleveland and St. Louis. Six of these cars were renumbered into the N&W after the NKP merged into the N&W and the other four were sold to the ACL for service in the CHAMPIONS.
The N&W rebuilt and streamlined 10 heavyweight 80-revenue seat Coaches 80-89 in 1946-47 at their Stony Island Shops located in Chicago. These coaches were some of the most extensively rebuilt coaches by any railroad. Even though they retained there 6 wheel trucks the cars were among some of the most modern in appearance ever reconstructed by any railroad. They emerged as 52 revenue seat long distance coaches with large women’s lounge at one end, fully streamlined roof, smooth car sides with a belt rail and large wide sealed windows. The cars featured a single vestibule with folding steps, lowered interiors ceiling, individual seat lights on the luggage rack, and large modern center lighting. The cars were fully air conditioned with Electro-mechanical type units installed. The one drawback to this work was it added about 20,000 pounds per car. The NKP shops rebuilt and streamlined 85-89 in 1946 and completed 80-84 in 1947. The cars lasted until the end of passenger service on the NKP and were sold to the NdeM in 1964 for further service.

50-REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard February 1950 (Built for and assigned to NICKEL PLATE LIMITED ARROW and other trains)

100 – 109

TTFN Al

[trolleyboy]

Good day again Tom, I think I'
ll spring for another round seeing as how hot it is [xx(] a soldid 85 + here today as well ,<groan and double groan>I still have to mow the back 40, think I'll wait till 8pm my time should be a bot cooler.I know what you mean about all those wonderfull old uni'
s in the Hall, moth holes and all in some cases [:O] For me the season shouild be paired back to 65 games tops with and end in april as opposed to June, we should cut it back to the 18 cities that give a rats butt about hockey as well, just my [soapbox] rant for it today, must be the heat better give me another. I know what you mean ablout diggin gout info on passenegr service on some roads, I did manage to find one tidbit any way. Speaking of tidbits here's one more albeit closer to home for me but I think still relevant to todays disscussions.

Berkshire's In Ontario Classic Steam #25

As stated before the Berkshire calss steam locomotive was the NKP's steam era claim to fame. The unusual on the fairly regular steam roster upto that point. It was a wheel arragngement that did not see wide spread use, but it did however make it up accross the boarder on another anachronistic RR the Toronto Hamilton and Buffalo RY itself a NYC controlled company.

In feb, 1928 , the TH&B placed its order with the Montreal Locomotive Works for locomotives #201 and 202, 2-8-4 Berkshire Class locomotives.With their friegth tonnage increasing during the roaring 20's the TH&B's standard 100 series Consolidations were straining to keep up the fast freight schedules, and the Raiway was desperatly seaking suitable power for it's "mountainb district " ( Niagara Escarpment ).

The TH&B's steam philosophy never wnadered too far from that of it's parent co the NYC.It was the NYC that had ordered a new type of locomotive from lima with the 2-8-4 config for trails on their Bostan and Albany Railroas where they would face the heavy twisting mountain grades throuhg the Berkshire MTN's and thus giving the locomotive type it's name.In 1926 the NYC placed it's order for 45 of these monsters and assigned them to its B&A railroad. They became classes A-1a and A-1b, with the road numbers 1400-1444 inclusive. Then along caame the TH&B.

The problem for them, of coarse was to reduce the times taken to get freight up the Niagara escarpment bewteen Kinnear Yard and Vinemount. A grade of only 1.04% but a rise of 216 feet in only 4.41 miles. The existing Consolidations with a starting tractive effort of 45,780lbs were being quickly outclassed by the loads. In July of 1927 the TH&B rented a NYC H-10b Mikado 335 to test on this route. Between Sept and October they rented B&A 1433 a two month old Berk to also test on this route. It was decided that the Berks were the right fit and two wree promptly ordered.For reasons of economy it was decided to build the locomotives in Canada, Lima had no Canadian subsidiary so tooling would have been prohibitivly expensive for such a small order. As luck would have it Alco had just finished an order for 12 Berks of their design to the C&NW so the patterns were propmtly rushed to MLW Alco's Canadian wing . On July 8th and 12th 1928,201, and 202 arrived on the property. 201 going immediatly into service and 202 did a public display for the company for a few days. The Berks regular assignment was the starlight freight run between Hamilton and Michigan Centrals Victoria Yard in Fort Erie Ontario, a 50 mile run. In 1931 the eastern terminus for this run was the TH&B / NYC Montrose Yard in Niagara falls Ontario ( Now a casino )They were run steadily for 25 years ending up being scrapped in 1953 with only the bell from 201 surving and on display in the Steam and tech museum in Ottawa.

Specs on TH&B 201, 202

L - 87 feet 51/4 inches in overall length
621,000 lbs at full load
393.000 lbs just locomotive weight
150 long inch fire box 96 inches wide
7,323 sq ft of heating surface
4,742 sq inches was the heating tubes
2,243 sq inches of suoper heating flues
240psi
tractive effort of 69,000lbs
63 inch drivers with Baker valve gear driving 14" cylnders
In 1946 they were rebuilt with D2 duplex stokers to get the 16t of caol from the tender into that huge firebox. The locomotive was capable of 65 miles per hour and they did handle passenger trains on the escarpment when the mikes or pacifics were unavailable.


Rob