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[West Coast S]

Afternoon Tom and the gang.... Round for the house, Did some local railfanning the other day. Interested? Let me sally up with cold tap, if you please.


Huntington would be amazed to see late model EMD power working the Pacific Electric. UP has spent the last several years upgrading it's Torrance Industrial Spur, all ex Pacific Electric with 110lb. relay welded rail, fre***ies and the only new ballast seen in 50 years.

A few observations:

Sadly, the spur to the shop location is now a weed strewn path, the shops were closed in 1953 and razed in 1983 to be replaced by a industrial park, odd the former switches were removed intact and stacked like snap track with ghostly footprints hinting at a right of ways not quite lost to time. Track on this spur was intact and active until US Steel which had purchased the former shop complex filed for bankruptcy in the mid 80s.
SP MP15s and Geeps/SD 7-9s were normally assigned to the steel runs

The station is now a coffee shop that bears no resemblence to it's former use, the frieght shed is used as a patio, the pavement embeded rails are intact for the passenger bypass, abandoned in 1940 but restored by SP after PE's demise and used until 1984 to service a Lumber yard.

Despite the seasons that have passed there is no denying what it was, from tackage buried in pavement to the typical interurbanish right- of-way the Pacifc Electric lives on.

Dave [tup]

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening one and all,nice to see a brisk exchange about the place-the measured click of ivory balls from the back room,the good natured banter of the track gang,the gentle susurrus of informed debate from the stools,the tinkle of girlish laughter from the booths,the rabble-rousing pulse of Chuck,Eddie & Jerry-Lee on the juke,the anguished howl of Boris trying to retrieve a dropped spatula from the deep fat fryer manually-all in all,the sound of the perfect cyber environment. So,some train stuff,heavens to betsy,forgetting my manners here, [4:-)]TOM- since these good people are prepared to sit here and listen to me ramble I feel honour bound to keep them refreshed,if you would do the honours and we can get started. Right,the Tal-y-lyn -classic train or not-most of the descriptions found here are of multi-part streamlined expresses connecting the great metropolii of North America,I will now take you all to the extreme other end of the scale,Gentlemen,welcome to Wales ! The Tal-y-lyn Railway is a 2`3" gauge steam line running from Towyn,on the coast of Cardigan Bay,6 or 7 miles inland (E) to Nant Gwernol where a new station has been built just short of the former yard and incline. The line opened in the early 1860`s to connect the slate quarries at Bryn Eglwys with the Cambrian Railways Welsh coast line at Towyn,previously the slates had gone out by packhorse to Aberdovey. For the first 90 years of its life the line was serviced by 2 engines,#1 Tal-y-lyn,blt Fletcher-Jennings,Whitehaven,Cumbria-0-4-0ST with open cab. found to be unsatisfactory as delivered owing to short wheelbase,returned to factory for modification into 0-4-2ST with full cab upon arrival of #2 Dolgoch-blt as above but with well tank to lower centre of gravity and rear driving axle behind firebox to stretch wheelbase for increased stability. other stock,5 four-wheel passenger cars,about a 100 slate hutches, some coal carts,a few odds & ends. The line earned money during the boom years but without ever bothering the taxman-in fact it was missed out of the 1948 Nationalisation because nobody in Whitehall knew it was there.....By 1951,more or less moribund,quarries closed-3 times weekly service to Abergonolwyn pass term.paid for by Sir Henry Haydn-Jones the owner of both the railway and the quarries-also the local (Liberal) Member of Parliament-1951-group of rail fans form T.R.P.S,take over day to day running of line as tourist train-#1 out of service req. major overhaul,#2 useable but not reliable. by chance nearby CORRIS railway had ceased operations after a bridge washout and the station-master at Machynnleth had hidden the 2 surviving engines at the back of the goods yard under tarps. even luckier-same gauge #3 Sir Haydn-blt Falcon Wks,Loughborough ( later Brush-Falcon & English Electric) 0-4-2ST,like#1,originally blt as 0-4-0 but trailing truck added for stability-usable when delivered but prone to spreading track so kept in reserve #4 Edward Thomas-Kerr-Stuart 0-4-2ST-carried most of the traffic for the first couple of seasons with #2 when available,aquired later#6 Douglas-Barclay 0-4-0 WT and the new engine 0-6-2T "Tom Rolt",----enough,I`m rambling,more available if you`ve nothing better to do,moonlight mile,night all,nick[C=:-)]

[nickinwestwales]

P.S. if the above seems familiar,especially to those who read "Thomas" stories to the little ones,think "Skarloey" "Rheneas" "Sir Handel" "Peter Sam" "Duncan" & "Rusty" the diesel [C=:-)]

[CFournier]

Hi Tom and the boys, since this is a cyber bar, I'll stick with the Old Tennis Shoe whiskey.
Hey guys, check this month's Railroad Model Craftsman, there is 2 pages on my local Hull-Chelsey-Wakefield steam powered train. A great ride for steam afficionados.
I took the trip twice in he last few years.
See you later...
CHRIS

[trolleyboy]

Hello everyone. Tom I'll help myself to the peanuts and the black label beer. Oh and Leon a round of whatever for the house as well.[tup][8D]. westcoast It's sad to hear of the passing of the remainders of the Pacific Electric.I had thought that there was some rumblings of refurbing parts of the line for some form of light rail? I still wander about St Catharines ( my hometown ) and Thorold Ontario. Bit's and pieces of the old NS&T are still there some still used by trillium rail the local shortline. Though another chunk is about to disappear, the last of the welland Avenue Line is closing at the end of the month. Ferranti Packard ( local transformer co ) is closing up shop and they are the last customer on the spur. So up the tracks come. Sadley these were originally laid in 1890[sigh]Ted I'm not really for "adding" to the classic cars as it does ruin the old look. In fact our museum's goal in life is to retore to as original as we can get the cars. Adding AC to a Whitt or PCC lets say would involve some heavy electrical surgery. The cars systems were not designed for them so the work would be expensive. On Whitt's and PCC's I don't think you could munt under body equipment. Both car types PCC's espeacially are fairly low slung so clearances would be an issue. No sence adding te AC unit if you 're going to break it on the pavement or manhole cover the first time out.I do beleave that most modern light rail equipment can be purchased so equipped so cities envisioning light rail can get the rider friendly AC equiped cars from Duwag or Seimens.*** Hope you can make it in the spring we will keep you apprised[tup] Your cars should be allright. The 4600's ( 24 cars in all ) were extensivly rebuilt to operate on the Harbour front line. TTC completely rewired and refurbed them in the late 80's. They ran on the line till 1995. We have 4600,4611,and 4618 from this series. interesting note is theses cars were all 4500's originally meaning they were the last built new cars for Toronto by cancar montreal. 1951 and 1952 deliveries. This means that of our operating fleet at the museum 4600 is the baby ! Keep an eye for rust though 4600 is used daily at the museum but we are fighting a corosion battle with it. The floor and belt rails are highly suseptable. well folks I'm off and a running

[Gunns]

Hi All, Tom
Yet more coffee, <at work again>
Sorry to have been reclusive but my wife got me a copy of the 11th ed of Machinery Handbook from 1942, it is the one in print when the 2926 was desinged and built. just now came up for air, from reading a book for desinging classic trains. <G> As for family railroad connection the best I have is that my Grandfather was a fireman on a 0-4-0T in the Utah Copper Mine, but after getting married he became the first Auto dealer in Idaho. He showed me a narrow gauge ROW that was abandoned in the 1800s after the UP put in its branch line to Pocatello. Work day tomorrow at the site,
A round for the house,
Gunns

[siberianmo]

Morning All,

Looks like old times as I've temporarily reverted to the redundant postings for my replies. Too much on two different pages - so this makes for an easier read ......

QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 20:16:07

Afternoon Tom and the gang.... Round for the house, Did some local railfanning the other day. Interested? Let me sally up with cold tap, if you please.

Huntington would be amazed to see late model EMD power working the Pacific Electric. UP has spent the last several years upgrading it's Torrance Industrial Spur, all ex Pacific Electric with 110lb. relay welded rail, fre***ies and the only new ballast seen in 50 years.

A few observations:

Sadly, the spur to the shop location is now a weed strewn path, the shops were closed in 1953 and razed in 1983 to be replaced by a industrial park, odd the former switches were removed intact and stacked like snap track with ghostly footprints hinting at a right of ways not quite lost to time. Track on this spur was intact and active until US Steel which had purchased the former shop complex filed for bankruptcy in the mid 80s.
SP MP15s and Geeps/SD 7-9s were normally assigned to the steel runs

The station is now a coffee shop that bears no resemblance to it's former use, the freight shed is used as a patio, the pavement embedded rails are intact for the passenger bypass, abandoned in 1940 but restored by SP after PE's demise and used until 1984 to service a Lumber yard.

Despite the seasons that have passed there is no denying what it was, from trackage buried in pavement to the typical interurbanish right- of-way the Pacific Electric lives on. [
Dave

Hi Dave

It’s never a pleasant experience to visit an area once thriving with the activity of rail transportation only to discover mere remnants of what used to be. Been there, done that …….. [tdn]

While I cannot relate to Pacific Electric, I do understand the emotional ties. In my youth there was an operating electrified railroad called the Staten Island Rapid Transit (SIRT). The cars resembled NYC subway cars – although that’s not what they were; operating on a third rail system. The place I grew up at is an island south of Manhattan – about 15 miles long and 7.5 wide at its widest point (kinda resembles the shape of South America for those who may need a mental pix). Anyway, most of the island’s shoreline was linked to a northern location called St. George, where the famed Staten Island Ferry terminal is located. My days of riding the SIRT were in the late 1940’s into the early 50’s.

Not that long ago, and against my better judgment, I decided to do a bit of research on the SIRT. What did I discover [?] A veritable plethora of information and pictures of what it was, what it became, and what it is today. Man oh man, did my mental images get a work over with that revelation. The pictures are so vivid – rights of way either completely gone and replaced by development or simply vestiges of the past, with trees and debris scattered all over and around what once was a thriving rail link.

While part of the system remains, under a new mantra with modernized cars, the old SIRT lives – in my mind’s eye, that is!

Catch ya later and thanx for the Post! [tup]

Tom

QUOTE: nickinwestwales Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 20:41:11
Well good evening one and all, nice to see a brisk exchange about the place-the measured click of ivory balls from the back room, the good natured banter of the track gang, the gentle susurrus of informed debate from the stools ,the tinkle of girlish laughter from the booths, the rabble-rousing pulse of Chuck, Eddie & Jerry-Lee on the juke, the anguished howl of Boris trying to retrieve a dropped spatula from the deep fat fryer manually-all in all, the sound of the perfect cyber environment.

So, some train stuff, heavens to Betsy, forgetting my manners here, TOM- since these good people are prepared to sit here and listen to me ramble I feel honour bound to keep them refreshed, if you would do the honours and we can get started.

Right, the Tal-y-lyn -classic train or not-most of the descriptions found here are of multi-part streamlined expresses connecting the great metropolii of North America,I will now take you all to the extreme other end of the scale,Gentlemen, welcome to Wales ! The Tal-y-lyn Railway is a 2`3" gauge steam line running from Towyn, on the coast of Cardigan Bay,6 or 7 miles inland (E) to Nant Gwernol where a new station has been built just short of the former yard and incline. The line opened in the early 1860`s to connect the slate quarries at Bryn Eglwys with the Cambrian Railways Welsh coast line at Towyn, previously the slates had gone out by packhorse to Aberdovey. For the first 90 years of its life the line was serviced by 2 engines,#1 Tal-y-lyn, blt Fletcher-Jennings,Whitehaven,Cumbria-0-4-0ST with open cab. found to be unsatisfactory as delivered owing to short wheelbase, returned to factory for modification into 0-4-2ST with full cab upon arrival of #2 Dolgoch-blt as above but with well tank to lower centre of gravity and rear driving axle behind firebox to stretch wheelbase for increased stability. other stock,5 four-wheel passenger cars, about a 100 slate hutches, some coal carts, a few odds & ends. The line earned money during the boom years but without ever bothering the taxman-in fact it was missed out of the 1948 Nationalisation because nobody in Whitehall knew it was there.....By 1951,more or less moribund, quarries closed-3 times weekly service to Abergonolwyn pass term.paid for by Sir Henry Haydn-Jones the owner of both the railway and the quarries-also the local (Liberal) Member of Parliament-1951-group of rail fans form T.R.P.S,take over day to day running of line as tourist train-#1 out of service req. major overhaul,#2 useable but not reliable. by chance nearby CORRIS railway had ceased operations after a bridge washout and the station-master at Machynnleth had hidden the 2 surviving engines at the back of the goods yard under tarps. even luckier-same gauge #3 Sir Haydn-blt Falcon Wks,Loughborough ( later Brush-Falcon & English Electric) 0-4-2ST,like#1,originally blt as 0-4-0 but trailing truck added for stability-usable when delivered but prone to spreading track so kept in reserve #4 Edward Thomas-Kerr-Stuart 0-4-2ST-carried most of the traffic for the first couple of seasons with #2 when available, acquired later#6 Douglas-Barclay 0-4-0 WT and the new engine 0-6-2T "Tom Rolt",----

Enough, I`m rambling, more available if you`ve nothing better to do, moonlight mile, night all, Nick

Hi Nick

Another classic Post from our British Isles connection – all’s well again ‘round here! [yeah]

Without ever having had the opportunity to visit Wales, thanx to your vivid descriptions, you’ve provided us with a picture – once again – of what used to be. Classic in every sense of the word! [tup][tup][tup]

Of course as things like quarries, coal mines and attendant industries boarded up shop, the rail links went with ‘em. That’s a story told the world over. Just a look to Cape Breton (Nova Scotia, for those who may not have the geography visualized) and the mining that used to support rail. No more. No more passenger service and none to be foreseen. Even VIA Rail’s 5 year experiment with an all first class excursion train out of Halifax (once per week each way) is no more. Now the fight is to retain the trackage …… good luck.

How very important rail was to the development of what we call the western world. How very sad indeed it is to realize that without the full court press of government to relieve the enormous tax burden, regulations, et al, we are more and more inclined to expand highways and runways. Booooooooo hissssssss.

Always enjoy what you have to offer …. Keep ‘er going, mate!

Tom

QUOTE: nickinwestwales Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 21:12:24

P.S. if the above seems familiar, especially to those who read "Thomas" stories to the little ones,think "Skarloey" "Rheneas" "Sir Handel" "Peter Sam" "Duncan" & "Rusty" the diesel

Thanx! [tup]

QUOTE: CFournier Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 22:10:04

Hii Tom and the boys, since this is a cyber bar, I'll stick with the Old Tennis Shoe whiskey.
Hey guys, check this month's Railroad Model Craftsman, there is 2 pages on my local Hull-Chelsey-Wakefield steam powered train. A great ride for steam aficionados.
I took the trip twice in the last few years.
See you later...
CHRIS

Sorry Chris – still no cigar! [tdn] Cyber it is – but true to life booze, brew and wine is what we offer! [swg] Sorry, privilege of ownership. [;)]

Thanx for the tip … will have to check it out!

Tom

QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 22:59:19

Hello everyone. Tom I'll help myself to the peanuts and the black label beer. Oh and Leon a round of whatever for the house as well. .

westcoast It's sad to hear of the passing of the remainders of the Pacific Electric.I had thought that there was some rumblings of refurbing parts of the line for some form of light rail? I still wander about St Catharines ( my hometown ) and Thorold Ontario. Bit's and pieces of the old NS&T are still there some still used by trillium rail the local shortline. Though another chunk is about to disappear, the last of the well and Avenue Line is closing at the end of the month. Ferranti Packard ( local transformer co ) is closing up shop and they are the last customer on the spur. So up the tracks come. Sadly these were originally laid in 1890

Ted I'm not really for "adding" to the classic cars as it does ruin the old look. In fact our museum's goal in life is to restore to as original as we can get the cars. Adding AC to a Whitt or PCC lets say would involve some heavy electrical surgery. The cars systems were not designed for them so the work would be expensive. On Whitt's and PCC's I don't think you could mount under body equipment. Both car types PCC's especially are fairly low slung so clearances would be an issue. No sence adding te AC unit if you 're going to break it on the pavement or manhole cover the first time out. I do believe that most modern light rail equipment can be purchased so equipped so cities envisioning light rail can get the rider friendly AC equipped cars from Duwag or Seimens.

*** Hope you can make it in the spring we will keep you apprised Your cars should be alright. The 4600's ( 24 cars in all ) were extensively rebuilt to operate on the Harbour front line. TTC completely rewired and refurbed them in the late 80's. They ran on the line till 1995. We have 4600, 4611, and 4618 from this series. Interesting note is theses cars were all 4500's originally meaning they were the last built new cars for Toronto by cancar Montreal. 1951 and 1952 deliveries. This means that of our operating fleet at the museum 4600 is the baby ! Keep an eye for rust though 4600 is used daily at the museum but we are fighting a corrosion battle with it. The floor and belt rails are highly susceptible. well folks I'm off and a running

Hello Rob

As always, enjoy eavesdropping on your Posts ……. One day perhaps I’ll actually understand it all! [swg]

Tom

QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 00:42:12

Hi All, Tom
Yet more coffee, <at work again>
Sorry to have been reclusive but my wife got me a copy of the 11th ed of Machinery Handbook from 1942, it is the one in print when the 2926 was designed and built. =Just now came up for air, from reading a book for designing classic trains. <G> As for family railroad connection the best I have is that my Grandfather was a fireman on a 0-4-0T in the Utah Copper Mine, but after getting married he became the first Auto dealer in Idaho. He showed me a narrow gauge ROW that was abandoned in the 1800s after the UP put in its branch line to Pocatello. Work day tomorrow at the site,
A round for the house,
Gunns

Howdy Gunns

Just as long as you don’t forget us, don’t sweat the small stuff! [tup] Books will do that to ya …… nothin’ wrong there.

No railroaders in my family background – at least that I’m aware of. All the men were sailors going back several generations. Always enjoy hearing, and learning, of the days of early rail in this country and elsewhere ……

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

WEDNESDAY’s NEWS & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

G’day All! Mid-week – not much to say this find day as I just completed my responses to the late nite posts … so let’s get with it!

Thanx to all of you who keep us at the top of the heap on the Classic Trains Forum! [tup][tup][tup]

News of the Day:

Check out the Age of Steam Museum in Dallas web site at http://www.dallasrailwaymuseum.com/collection.html

SUMMARY:
Name - Date/Time - (Page#) - Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 06:07:03 (84) Tuesday’s News & Summary

(2) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 07:19:29 (84)

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 10:51:15 (84)

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 11:18:10 (84) reply to Trainnut484 & Theodorebear

(5) wrwatkins *** Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 11:23:44 (84)

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 13:56:45 (84) reply to wrwatkins

(7) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 15:00:45 (84)

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 15:28:57 (84) reply to earlydiesels w/The Silverton

(9) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 17:12:36 (84)

(10) pwolfe Pete Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 18:19:03 (84)

(11) passengerfan Al Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 18:41:01 (84)

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 19:51:51 (84) reply to Theodorebear – pwolfe & passengerfan

(13) West Coast S Dave Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 20:16:07 (84)

(14) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 20:41:11 (85)

(15) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 21:12:24 (85)

(16) CFournier Chris Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 22:10:04 (85)

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 22:59:19 (85)

(18) Gunns Kevin Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 00:42:12 (85)

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 08:05:04 (85) replies to West Coast S – nickinwestwales – CFournier – trolleyboy – Gunns

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That’s it! [tup][;)]
Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

Good Mornin' everyone, Tom, I'll grab a couple of the fresh prune Danish and a steamy "unleaded" for now, thanks. Looks like "steam is king" for Nick and Chris today. The mention of "Thomas the Tank Engine" always brings back thoughts of one of my young Nephews sitting transfixed before the T.V. (Teley?) watching the show with bated breath. There were decent values passed along in the scripting of the show which gave we elders a "good feeling" about it. Oh yes, I took a "joshing" from my Nephew when "Theodore Tug Boat" was telecast for the first time on P.B.S.[(-D]

Not to be outdone, I see the "wire blokes" have posted some "bitter sweet" data on the old P.E.! BTW Rob, the A.C. dilemma added to "vintage" streetcars is duly noted and understood. Yes Al, the standards (in my opinion) reaped the benefit of greater variety with the A.C. faring added to the monitor roofs. Most of my HO heavyweights have the old "ice bunkers" in the basement. My experience on a Pullman 12-2 (B. & O. charter) from Balto. to Chicago, then Chicago to Seattle (via G.N.) found me in an upper berth catching a miserable cold by arrival time...enjoyed every minute of it.[^] Our four heavyweight sleepers were lashed up with the Empire Builder which was a vista domed streamliner with all of the amenities. Going from the B.&O. cars to the G.N. was like changing centuries. Our 10 hour lay-over in Chicago was time well spent in a half dozen "haunts" that many of you probably remember from the 1960's.[tup] Does "Berghoff's" steamed beer or "Diamond Jim's" steak house ring a bell? Boris, that was a rehtorical statement, not a "round." Krumlins![:(!]

Now on the electric side; who has any recollection of the venerable Key System in San Fran? I've only read and seen pix of the operations but WOW, was I impressed. The West Coast, famous for the first Freeways, also had one of the best electrified interurban systems in the world.[tup] I'm not willing to "hold my breath" until I see concrete X-ties and steel rail sitting on former "car pool lanes" but ya know what? Its Day is coming![2c] If any two people know this, its *** and Tom!

Okay, great to be with you's again and another round please Tom...now Boris NOW! Happy rails gents.

[siberianmo]

Morning Ted

Saw your Post just as I was about to log out .... the timing this AM may have prevented you from catching the SUMMARY and old times Post right before it .... happens!

We've had some pretty interesting back 'n forths as of late and it appears that the conversation level has elevated a bit to get back to our roots, which of course is supposed to be Classic Trains - real or model.

My recollections of the 60's involved trips alright - but they were all at sea! Any rockin' and rollin' done in that era was either in the Atlantic, Caribbean, Pacific and Bering Sea. Oh how I would have loved to experience the railroading that many of you did back then. The tail end of it all, for sure, but still sufficient systems with which to get from one place to another with greater frequency than we have today.

There's a town in Oregon that I dearly love to visit - and in fact, entertained notions of living in back when I was assigned to southern California (1986-88). Eugene is the name and one thing I remember is a restaurant downtown called The Oregon Electric Station. This place, if still there, is a registered Oregon Hisotrical Landmark and features renovated antique train cars for dining in an original turn-of-the-century (not this one!) train station. What a treat to experience. Don't know what, if any, connection existed with Pacific Electric, but pehaps Dave can enlighten us.

Catch ya later - time to get crackin' on the yard work. Cooler temps 'round here, thank heavens!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

POST FROM THE PAST

Every now 'n then, when things are slow 'round here, I'll check back thru the Posts to find one that exemplifies the kinds of things we enjoy in conversation. Here's one from Page 4:

QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 21 Apr 2005, 19:02:47

Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Location: Los Angeles

Good afternoon all, Dave from the left Coast checking in... Tom, I wi***hat was the only time I faced dad over my antics..Too much good RR action in the 70s I guess.

This one almost got me exiled.

I just got my DL, but dad said no way to a car, gotta get a job and earn one, blah,blah,blah. It so happens that he also had just purchased a new truck the same week.

The SP sent him to Tucson for couple of weeks to help out with some crew shortages.. He didn't want to rack up the miles on his new toy, so out came the 64 Falcon for the trip. Things went wrong when he left me the keys, you know summer vacation, new DL
,new girlfriend, gotta show off.

Myself and some indvidules who shall remain nameless borrowed the truck and had a fantastic week along the SP,WP and BN. Now I'm thinking i'm smarter then dad, heck I'll just make sure its washed and gassed. I was pretty proud of myself, thinking I out smarted the Old Man , when upon his return he retired to the garage where at first he noticed nothing unusual. Parked where it should be, gas ok, but....."ok explain this odometer reading!" he demanded. My excuse was evasive, his response is unrepeatable.

Somehow I survived that day.

Dad passed away later that year, He gave me the truck, when he was diagnoised with inoperable cancer. I still drive it occasionly and when I do I can't help reflect back on my failure to consider the odometer in my great escape. You know I never did succeed in out smarting him.

I was reflecting while working on my current project, scanning over 400 photos which includes the ones related to the above trip onto disc. It puts in perspective how times have changed in the past 20-30 years and how the common then is the sought after now and furthermore to think that some subjects were so numerous that we failed to pay attention to them until it was too late.

Well, all this activity has given me a appetite , what do you recommend?

POST FROM THE PAST

Enjoy!

Tom, Proprietor of "Our" Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom. Just Time for a quick CR and a round for the house. I found the list I mentioned the other night about the Santa Fe Streamlined 6-6-4 sleepers painted in shadowline the only VALLEY series painted in that scheme were CIMARRON VALLEY, PECOS VALLEY, RIO GRANDE VALLEY, SURPRISE VALLEY, TESUQUE VALLEY and VERDE VALLEY. All others in that series were painted the two tone grey for most of their service lives. Santa Fe lists five heavyweights with shadowline striping 1368 a Bar lounge 1451 and 1453 Diners and 1531 and 1537 Bar Lounge Dormitory cars. Got the information from Santa Fe Historical Society
Must run for now.

[siberianmo]

G'day Al

Some weeks back, we weened off that water back in hopes that it would get you back on line ..... nothing wrong with Crown Royal, mind you! Now, it seems that somethng's amiss. Not a mention of some of the Posts that have contained some rather nice things about YOU!! Hmmmmmmmmmm - that book of yours needs to be put aside, my friend. Get your liberty card and go have some fun! [yeah]

As always, I'm sure your detailed accounting will not go unnoticed 'round here ..... [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[West Coast S]

Afternoon Tom and the gang...Roast beef on Rye with some home fries and cold draft please...

Tom, there is a connection between the Northern Electric and PE, upon abandoment of the Northern Electric around 1940 several of the newer steel cars were purchased by the Key system, which operated in the East Bay area.

Key System ceased operations in 1942 whereupon the motley collection of equiptment obtained from numerous bankrupt systems was either scrapped for the war effort or
purchased by the US Maritime Comission. The best of the lot, all former Key, NWP and NE were transfered to Long Beach/San Pedro and assigned the task of ferrying hundreds of thousands of shipyard workers and military personal. The US Maritime Commision retained ownership and each car displayed that owners name. PE offered to shop these war babies in the Torrance Shops when they could be spared from service , sometimes, new paint was the only work performed.

Despite clearance issues caused by introducing 60-73 foot interurbans where none operated before , PE was astute enough to realize that larger cars could reduce operating cost by increasing passenger capacity and permit retirement of obselote equiptment forced to linger on due to war demands. PE purchased the entire lot from the Maritime Commision in 1946.

Having operated and maintained them on the behalf of the Maritime Comission, PE was quite familiar with their oddities, once again they were sent through the Torrance Shops where equiptment such as duel voltage convertors , third rail shoes, gates, pilots were removed, standard PE appliances were applied all were brought to high reliability standards, a necessary modification was to modify drawbars and couplers so they could operate anywhere on the system without stringing trailing cars. Due to the low amperage draw required of the motors and rugged generator design the refurbished cars were known as "Hot Rods", they could obtain speeds of 75mph without any strain.

So, Tom there is a connection, but what a journey!

Trolley Boy, Very little, if any, PE right-of way has been restored for light rail, ownership of the former r-o-w was conveyed to indvidule citys with jogging paths/parks the chosen reuse or wiped out by unchecked urban sprawl or freeway construction. Politicians and the general public have no concept or interest in historic preservation here in So.Cal. Case in point: It took a bitter twelve year legal fight with the Union Pacific and the city of Bellflower to save what could be the last intact wooden PE station from falling victim to a street widing project.

If one looks close, quite a bit still awaits rediscovery.

At the intersection of La Brea and Santa Monica Blvd. in Hollywood, pavement imbeded rails, faintly visible still exist, a reminder that this was once the Santa Monica Airline to Venice and Marina Delray, two million dollar condos now occupy a portion of the former route .. As LA county and city seek state and federal funds to undertake repairing a failing infastructure, long buried PE rails will once again see daylight, very few were removed from city streets, policy was to simply pave over them.

Wow, didn't intend to profer a noval from a few simple questions. Boris, ring that bell [^]

Dave [tup]

[siberianmo]

G'day Dave

Ask and ye shall receive! [tup] Thanx for the skinny on those Electrics of the Left Coast! Just the mention of the Maritime Commission conjurs up many thoughts for me.

My Dad was a Merchie before, during and after WWII. Got his officer training from the Coast Guard at Ft. Trumbull, CT and was sent off to convoy duty in the North Atlantic, post haste. There's lots to tell .... but perhaps better for another time and place.

One thing though that perhaps I've mentioned earlier in these threads is: In 1947 or 48 - I honestly cannot recall the exact year - I travelled with him aboard one of his freighters from Baltimore, MD to Long Beach, CA - thru the Panana Canal. What an adventure, as you may well imagine. He was either 1st or 2nd Mate at the time. I had run of the ship and really was treated like a guest of honor. The guys - Pirates all - were fantastic and as I grew into manhood, appreciated the experience all the more.

Anyway, afer a day or two in Long Beach, I was put aboard a train bound for Chicago. I know it was Santa Fe and my guess is it was one of the Chiefs. Once again, I was looked after by what seemed to be virtually everyone connected with that train. Had a roomette, I believe - and pretty much run of the train too. Another great memory. In Chicago there was a change of trains - don't recall how long it took, but I seem to remember it was rather long. The Pennsy took me to NYC and Pennsylvania Station where my Mom met me. It could have been the Broadway Limited - but then again, there's no keen recollection on those kinds of details. Just the train trip itself - being glued to the windows with the passing scenes zipping by ........ Ahhhhhhhh, [yeah]! [tup]

A bit of personal irony - when I received word of his death in 1997, I was assigned to duty in Long Beach, CA.

Catch ya later and enjoy your lunch 'n brew. Appreciate the drinks all around too! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[West Coast S]

Once again, top of the day Tom and the gang..

Any mention of fond memories between father and son recalls my first encounter with steam. Dad was stationed at the Yokuska Naval Air Station. The Japan National Railway still retained some steam in operation, good looking Mikes that would have been at home in Nickle Plate country, Baldwin or Alco built to USRA plans I believe .

Somehow, dad, through connections, I suppose, managed to get a job firing when off duty from his Navy assignment . Though a small tyke at the time, I remember being scared to death of the noisey machines, but fascinated as well. The host crews were the warmest, outgoing people i've ever encountered and many times i'd ride along with dad on his runs. What stays in my mind all these decades later is the fact that these engines burned coal and the crew wore white, never once did I see a crewman with a soild uniform! You could literally eat off the floor of the cab, they were that clean! Suffice to say, not having little Dave go home to mommy coated in the soot and grime normally associated with coal burning was a big plus in my favor!

Alas, dad was eventually transfered to DaNang and the good times ended. Mom and the rest the family moved to San Francisco. Dad returned from Vietnam and went to work for the N&W out of Roanoke VA, so we packed our meger belongings and relocated back east, a move back west was in the offing several years later when he hired out on the SP. Dad passed suddenly in 1982..

Round of Crown Royal for the house, please

Dave[tup]

[siberianmo]

Hi Again Dave

Wonderful stuff that you've put forth this day ........ maybe that POST FROM THE PAST set the stage, eh [?] [tup]

Amazing how railroading and model trains seem to intertwine with many of "Our" Place's customers ..... nice fit, indeed! [tup]

I've never had the pleasure of traveling by rail in Japan and can just imagine those steam loco's you mentioned. Nothing wrong with clean - absolutely nothing!

What changes in geography and culture you experienced as a youngster. Certainly couldn't have hurt ........ trains, trains and more trains!

Thanx for the round! [tup] Crown Royal at that! [wow]

See ya! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Evening Tom and the regulars. How about a CR and a round for the house.
Remember my first long distance train trip and I was only four traveled from Everett to St. Paul on the brand new streamlined EMPIRE BUILDER in February 1947 the month it was inaugurated. My mother had her hands full with me and my two year old brother. We were on our way to Missouri to rejoin my Dad who was waiting discharge from the Army. Remember arriving in St. Joe in tears as my mother holding my brother had fallen as we went between cars as the train was slowing. It was the old CGW that we arrived on not much of a train.
For the few years we lived in Missouri we took yearly trips to Vancouver on the EMPIRE BUILDER using the CB&Q to KC first then the Rock Island TWIN STAR ROCKET to St. Paul and the GN EMPIRE BUILDER and INTERNATIONALS from their. Never again did our family ride the CGW. Later when my Dad went to work in Seattle for Boeing we took the trips the opposite way to St. Joe from Seattle where we moved each year to visit family. Guess that is why I fell in love with the streamliners. Remember some years travelling on the WESTERN STAR and others the EMPIRE BUILDER. We always had a pair of bedrooms opened up ensuite. My brother and I always fighting over the top bed. My dad used to settle the argument in no uncertain terms. Mother made my brother and I dress in identical outfits to prevent fights over clothes and always for dinner in the diner we wore a tie. My mother insisted that we wear a tie for dinner. Her two heathens were going to be properly dressed for dinner no matter what. Sure brings back a lot of nostalgia this evening. It was only when my brother and I made the trip alone that we forgot to pack the ties. That was about 1955 and we were able to try the NORTH COAST LIMITED and OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA each one way. Already I was wanting to try other trains and my dad who purchased the tickets didn't seem to mind I guess hoping that maybe with any luck we would get lost. Never happened and each year became more adventurous. Once even tried the CB&Q heavyweight all of the way from St. Joe to Billings where we boarded the NORTH COAST LIMITED for the rest of the trip to Seattle. That was my one and only experience in a section sleeper and the fare was less so my dad got a refund of the difference for the bedroom we were supposed to have been in. We always looked forward to these yearly trips and once a month we were regulars on the INTERNATIONALS to Vancouver for a weekend with grandparents. Dad always insisted when us boys traveled alone that we were in the parlor car where he felt the GN could keep a closer eye on us. We never missed a train or got a report of bad behavior from any of the trains crews. We loved trains. I lost my Brother and my mother both some fourteen years ago but i Still have Dad and when we talk on the phone we still talk about the trains. I am planning a trip in early fall by train to go and see Dad and I can picture him now waiting at the station in Pasco.

[Anonymous]

Hello everyone. I'll take 3 shots of tequila and a glass of water with lemon, please. Tom, I really appreciate the words to "Silverton". I've been a McCall fan for years and since being bitten with the narrow guage bug, liked the song even more. Sometimes on the 4 hour drive to the Midland, the wife and I sing this to help pass the time.
Nick, I may not have little ones but since being engineer for Thomas recently, I have found myself watching the show on PBS. I wondered how Rev. Awdry could develop such a system. Now I'll have to find a world map and look up the areas you mention.
Trolleyboy, I believe your museum had a listing on the www.rypn.org website. If you are not already familiar with it, check it out. Anyone interested in rwy preservation (and some nautical) should do the same.

[nickinwestwales]

Hi guys,flying visit only tonight,somewhat the worse for drink,will speak soon,regards to all-fish night tomorrow-will check the market at lunchtime-see whats on offer,prepare menu for evening,due to time difference should be back from band practice in time to perform kitchen duties,later,nick

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Guys!

Nice stuff being Posted - and I mean nice! [yeah] [tup] The stories just make me want to somehow go back in time - travel downtown to St. Louis' Union Station, and board a long distance train - streamliner preferred,of course! [yeah]

passengerfan Al How fortunate you are to have such vivid recollections of those trips, and more importantly, a loving family. Further, how extremely blessed to still have your father in the world with you! When you meet up with your Dad at the station, be sure to remind him of the refund he got because of the differential between the section sleeper and bedroom! [swg]

My hope for you is that there wil always be long distance passenger trains! Let's drink to that - my treat! [tup]

Thanx for the round, by the by ......... [swg]

Tom
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earlydiesels Dan Glad you enjoyed the lyrics to The Silverton - my pleasure! Every now 'n then there's a tune that just stays with you - and I've got a few back there in the recesses ....... [swg]

One of these days we're going to Colorodao to travel aboard that famous narrow gauge in Durango. Just gotta do it. However, I think we'll be aboard the White Pass & Yukon up in Alaska prior to that. Hoping to make that trip in May/June 2006 - the good Lord willing and the creek doesn't rise! [swg]

Catch ya later!

Tom
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Hey Nick Bet you didn't know that Sir Mick and the Boyz will be here in St. Louis this coming January. For some unexplained reason, they really make a point of coming here. Some years back they did a semi-private gig downtown for about 2,000 people - really small venue. My late son, who was a huge fan of theirs - somehow managed to get tickets. I don't think the smile ever left his face ........ By the by - the highest price tickets are $300 a pop! Good grief [tdn]

Okay - tomorrow IS our Fish 'n Chips Nite along with whatever else you put on the Nick's Picks menu board. We'll be here!

Leon the Night Man has arrived ....... so, that's it for me! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

THURSDAY’s NEWS & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Morning All – Another day in the march to the weekend! [yeah] I see The Mentor Village Bakery pastry case is full of fresh goodies, the coffee urns are perkin’ and our light breakfasts are ready for fixin’ – so what are you waitin’ for [?] [swg]

Stay safe ‘n dry down in Florida, Ted! [tup]

News of the Day:

COMMENTARY Yesterday was rather quiet and a bit strange in that many of our regulars didn’t show up – haven’t seen a few for awhile. HOWEVER, a couple of guys took the time to drop in, left some pretty interesting and introspective Posts. Many thanx for helping to keep this idea of ours at the top of the heap. I never thought ”Our” Place would be heading toward month #5 of existence – but we’re still here.

Again – [tup][tup][tup] to West Coast S Dave and passengerfan Al along with some others who not only had something to say, but said it so well! As mentioned several times on these pages, it’s not the quantity of the Posts so much as the quality of them.

SUMMARY:
Name - Date/Time - (Page#) - Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 08:14:35 (85) Wednesday’s News & Summary

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 08:18:07 (85)

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 08:41:00 (85) reply to Theodorebear

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 12:23:53 (85) POST FROM THE PAST

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 13:24:20 (85)

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 13:39:12 (85) reply to passengerfan

(7) West Coast S Dave Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 15:24:47 (85)

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 15:43:50 (85) reply to West Coast S

(9) West Coast S Dave Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 17:49:34 (85)

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 18:45:50 (85) reply to West Coast S

(11) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 20:04:00 (85)

(12) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 20:06:51 (85)

(13) nickinwestwales Nicki Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 20:18:25 (85)

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 20:36:18 (85) reply to passengerfan – earlydiesels – nickinwestwales

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That’s it! [tup][;)]
Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

It seems I'm usually the first to log-on in the mornings. Guess its the Eastern time thing and I'm a early riser too. Lately, there have been some heart warming Posts on various past experiences from our Membership. Basically, I believe at the "core" of the "Our" Place Crew, there must be an ever present yearning for recapturing and preserving those cherished events in which trains played a major role. I, for one, can tell you that I wouldn't trade the memories of my early Family's "quality time" for anything this world has to offer.[tup]

Okay, I think an Irish Coffee with Old Bushmill might clear the throat and open the eyes this A.M. Tom, thanks. I'd like to add a vignette to the "trip down memory lane" if I may. Most of you have experienced the Santa Fe trains southwest out of Dearborn St. Station. As you know, the first station stop in Ft. Madison, Iowa had "blue laws" where you couldn't buy a drink if you were the Governor. The Club Car prices were expensive and the prospect of "nursing" a drink for 30-40 minutes until the bar reopened, wasn't my idea of "first class."[V] SOOoo, I always bought 2 or 3 "miniature" bottles of my favorite "elixir of life" before boarding the train. Then, straight away to my compartment, water glass in one hand and libation in the other; I'd watch Chicago's lights fade away in the distance.[^] A hour or so later, I'd join other travelers in the Tavern (Club) Car for a (always) interesting conversation. After a sound snooze, it was the Conductor's call for "Ka[r]nsas City," all off for Ka[r]nsas City." Now, a "mad dash" for the Fred Harvey House and fresh squeezed O.J., a grilled K.C. breakfast Sirloin, 2 eggs, hash browns, Texas toast and Fred's finest Columbian Blend.[bow] A 5-1/2 hour (day coach) sojourn through flat golden wheat landscape and Kansas towns smaller than "Little Orphan Annie's eye" found me at Tulsa Union Depot. And, there would be Mom, Dad and Sis waiting on the platform.[:D] Oh yes, we all have tales to tell and timeless memories.[8D]

Okay Boris, "give it a go!" BOINK Gadfey Daniel, what are these panty hose doing draped 'round the clapper? BTW Tom, what do you know about Leon's social life? Happy rails all.[swg]

[Anonymous]

Good morning Y'all. I will have a couple of the fresh pasteries (prune Danish at my age) and some black coffee. Tom, thanks to the baker. He does a bang up job with the Danishes. Sorry I did not pop in yesterday. It was quite a hectic day. Had my annual heart check up in the morning, a tooth cleaning over lunch, and to the airport to pick up my wife who was returning from our daughter's home in Austin. After picking her up at 3 PM we just went home rather than back to the office. Happy to report that my stress test was passed with flying colors and all the chemistries were in line. As I have told my daughter my ambition is to live long enough to be a burden to her. It is pay back time!

Thanks Trollyboy for the update on the 4600 series of PCCs. We will be checking them for rust in the areas that you indicate. We mainly have to do some cosmetic work such as repainting. The bifold doors have to be rebuilt as they are in bad shape. Having beult a few sets for our vintage trolleys we do have the experience and tools to build them. Now all we need is the turn table and loop installed so we can run the PCCs.

As you know we spent a couple of weeks in the Maritimes arriving in Halifax on the over night Ocean from Montrael. We rented a car and drove 2500 km. With Canadian gas prices I will need to take out a small loan to pay the gas credit card charges. One of the cities we visited was Sydney in the northern part of Bretan Island. We found this city a little depressing. It was once the steel center of Canada, but all of this is gone. The mill closed and has been completely torn down. The associated coal mines near Louisbourg are also closed. There are still lots of railroad tracks in Sydney leading to where the steel mill was, but they are overgrown with weeds. The housing is 1920 vintage as you would see in the Pittsburgh-upper OIhio valley area. Quite depressing as I was raised in a dirty steel making town of Follansbee WV and lived in such a house. This is one of the reasons i no longer live in the Ohio valley. Another more important reason is PAYCHECK. Would have a hard time earning one in the rust belt.

There is a bright spot to the Sydney area. There was an old fort at Louisbourg that was built by the French a couple hundred years ago. Over time it changed hands between the French and British a couple times after lobbing a few cannon balls back and forth. Until recently the fort was essentially a pile of rubble. With the closing of the coal mines the government trained the unemployed miners to be masons, carpenters, etc and they have rebuilt the fort to its origional splendor. Archiologists documented all of the ruins in great detail. They recommend that you spent 4 hours visiting the fort. We thought this was way excessive until we arrived there. You could easily spend six hours or more there. It is well worth the visit and we highly recommend it.

I remember my first train trip. This was during the winter of 1944-45. My uncle was on the end on one of Adolphs grenades and last an arm and leg. The military commandeered several of the hotels in Atlantic City NJ for hospitals. That winter we made five trips from Follansbee to Atlantic City. I was familiar with steam engines on the mighty Pennsylvania, whose St. Louis main line was near our home. I woke up east of Harrisburg and asked what happened to the whistle as we were then powered by the great GG1 locomotive.

All for now. Better get back to work. I still need the paycheck.

Cheers,
***

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Sir Ted

Didn't expect to be hearing from you given the weather situation in your part of the world. I expect that the hurricane will provide you with the rain that WE need here in mid-continent! Go figure ...... stay safe 'n dry!

My morning schedule is now back to normal as reveille 'round here is about 5:10 AM (Central). My bride is back to the regular semester of courses, which means she has an 8 o'clock class. I'm able to devote a bit of time, usually right after returning home with Juneau -the Wonder Husky and Mascot of "Our" Place to check the Posts 'n get off some responses along with the SUMMARY. So, not to worry - your time zone isn't fooling with you nor is your internal clock. Just ole Siberianmo up 'n at 'em earlier .......... Phew!

Panty hose around the clapper [?] Must be West Coast S Dave He's started a fund to purchase a new clapper - that's his fiver in the jar over there between the pickled pig's feet and hard boiled eggs. [swg]

I'm one who never traveled that fabled Santa Fe route you described so well. As chronicled in previous Posts, I'm a relative new comer to the world of traveling passenger trains as a fully accredited paying passenger - adult & senior fares! [swg] Nevertheless, the description you provided does conjure up some memories of my own experiences with VIA Rail.

While I haven't had the need to dip into my private stash of miniatures (collected from a few zillion airline trips in business & first class along with some purchased back in the 50's 'n 60's [yeah] that's correct!) I've befriended a few Park Car attendants over the years and have had no difficulty with obtaining my favorite beverage(s) while sitting in the dome, awaiting departure.

I've taken a few solo-trips between Montreal, Quebec and a place called Sackville, New Brunswick where there is a nice turn-around in time - about 4 hours between trains. The overnight from Montreal gives me the fix I require while experiencing the observation dome (Park Car), bedroom and dining cars. Just love it. While in Sackville, there's just enough time to visit with a friend of mine, then it's back on the train - another great night - and arrival much too early the next morning in Montreal. I used to really enjoy a full breakfast in the diner about an hour and half east of Montreal's Central Station. VIA Rail decided to scrap that morning service and now sells Continental Breakfasts as the only bill of fare. Those Continentals used to be provided back in the Park Car bullet lounge at no cost to those in Easterly Class (bedrooms). Alas, no more. Seems the new blood at VIA Rail have decided that upscale is where it's at, along with higher fares and less service. Go figure ........

Anyway, I too have enjoyed many an hour meeting new people, sharing stories, exchanging addresses and of course imbibing a bit - maybe even a bit more than I should have. Train travel - you gotta luv it! [tup]

Leon's social life - bwaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaa ha! You've got to be kidding! But, I guess you're not ........ "Our" Place is his social life, especially since he's found Boris and the inflatables! [}:)][:-,][swg] When I first encountered this hulk of a man, he was shoeless, friendless, penniless and otherwise doing just fine. ([?]) Anyway, it seems that he's a rather shy guy in spite of his imposing look and doesn't really go out of his way to either befriend or alienate ... just a keep-to-himself kinda guy. I know he's a military vet and I also know he's as strong as Boris, so between the two of 'em, one would have better luck with the offensive line of the Green Bay Packers, or some such similar NFL entity. Social life - bwaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa ha! [yeah] On Sunday's I take the both of 'em up the cabin by Can-Am Gorge and they run amuk in the forest chasing the bears 'n wolves. Poor critters will never be the same - bears 'n wolves that is! [swg] Thanx for asking! Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa ha!

Appreciate the POST, as always.

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Mornin' ***

You must have posted right at the time I was preparing a response to Ted .... happens.

Glad to know that you're fit 'n ready to go for 'nother round. The alternative stinks .......[swg]

We have a friend in Sydney, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia and have spent a bit of time up there. As you may recall, my bride's family now resides in the Halifax area (Bedford - on the basin) and we've been visiting up that-a-way at least annually over the last 15 years or so. It is sad to see the state of affairs up in Cape Breton and especially the Sydney area. As the mines shut down, so has the economy. The whole of it is far too much, and rather inappropriate for this thread, so I'll leave it at that. There are some marvelous attractions and you mentioned one - the Fort. There's also the Cabot Trail - and to do it justice, one should plan at least 3-days of travel - staying the night at any number of Inn's along the route. Fantastic scenery, given that the ever-present fog banks don't set in. [tdn]

Although you've haven't made mention of it, I'm glad that you enjoyed your stay in Sackville, New Brunswick and the Marshlands Inn. At least one of my recommendations worked out, given that the Ocean and the Budd stainless steel cars didn't quite measure up to expectations .....

Take care 'n see ya soon! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Trainnut484]

Good morning Tom and all [:)]. I'll have a hot cup of coffee and a danish. Sorry I haven't checked in much, been under the weather and now going through the final stages of it. Ted, your detailed trip made me feel like I was there [^]. Sounds like you were either on "The Tulsan" or "Oil Flyer" from KC to Tulsa.

I'll have a little tid bit myself although it's about the American Freedom Train led by SP 4449. It was touring on the Santa Fe back in 1975 and stopped in Emporia, Ks, while enroute to KC. Yes, I was only 4, but I remember like it was yesterday because it was the very first time I saw a steam engine. My mother and I went down to the Commercial St crossing (main street), which the police had it blocked off because the 4449 was going to stop there to take on water. The fire department was getting their hoses out and ready to hook up the water. A reporter from one of the Topeka, Ks TV stations was there, and I thought it was strange him being there because he was the Sports reporter.

The 4449 and train came in and she stopped where X marked the spot. Mom took a couple of pictures. I just stood there in amazment, taking it all in, staring at the big wheels and smelling and feeling the hot steam. This was sure different than the ones in my picture books. Then the biggest shock of 'em all, the engineer blew the whistle. I ducked like something was thrown at me. I've never heard a steam whistle before.

Fast forward to 1992 when ATSF 3751 and UP 3985 were on display together at the Topeka, RR days festival. I was taking a picture of the 3985 when out of the corner of my eye, I saw a young boy beside me, maybe 6 or 7, just staring in shock and awe at 3985. The whistle blew and the boy just dropped to the ground. His father came up from behind and picked him up. He told me that it was the first time his son heard a steam whistle.

My mind went back to the AFT.

More coffee please, thanks.

Russell

[trolleyboy]

Morning folks just a quick fly by for a coffee and hello. I've got to go pay the bills ie work. didn't pop in yesterday as I picked up a couple of concert tickets for my wife and I. An early aniversary presant (Oct 5) The concert was enjoyed and alls well in Rob's world.If any of you get a chance when and if they come to your town grab a ticket for the Great Big Sea. One of Newfoundlands finest musical ensembles. *** Your welcome on the heads up. Mechanically and electrically you should have no problems with those cars. If you do find rust remember that the metal work on the PCC's is unibody so you can't just pull of the panel in question,bondo and hard work I'm affraid. The doors can get a bit shabby, we keep alot of extras around because sometimess it isn't worth fixing them. west coast Thanks for the PE info. It is nice to hear that some efforts have saved some historical bits. case in point at teh museum we have Rockwood's GT station. We had it moved to the museum in 1971 because CN and the Town of rockwood wanted it gone. It looks quite nice now and another piece of history is safe! When I wander along the bits and pieces of the NS&T as well you see where much of it was just paved over as well. Unfortunatly the city of St Catharines in it's infanite wisdomtemnds to tear up and remove it as they find it now.So nohopes of restoring service there now with out alot of capitol. It's too bad too because the NS&T was a true interurban system they operated city cars , interurban cars buses, electric frieght operations and even two cross lake boat's from pt dalhousie to Toronto along with an amusemnet park. They were also the last interurban to pull uot of electric operations(1960 )Well gents I'm off catch you all later. Rob

[siberianmo]

Hello Russell

This isn't a good time of year to be down[ with anything ...... except perhaps, well ... oh, never mind! [}:)][:-,] Hope your recovery is quick ..... Ain't the same 'round here without those Santa Fe Posts! [swg]

Nice story - and perhaps we're heading off to day #2 of some really good stuff. It's those memories we all have that when brought to life in this place, just makes for a feel good experience! One day that little boy you mentioned might share his experiences with others, as you have! [tup] Appreciate your sharing it with us.

The Freedom Train that I recall was way back in the 1940's (1947-49). This train was a streamlined beauty - all decked out in white with blue ' red stripes. It was powered by an Alco PA in the same livery with 1776 on the number boards and Spirit of 1776 painted on the sides. It carried some really important documents - all in protective cases and with armed guards - one was our Declaration of Independence and the other was the Constitution. The train was in a B&O siding nearby where I lived as a kid in Staten Island, NYC. Can't say that I have the vivid recollections that you have - but I do remember going through it with my father - and wishing that the train would go somewhere with us aboard! [yeah] Anyway, it was one of those things you never forget - perhaps not always in the front of the memory, but it's there nonetheless. Thanx for bringing it back! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Rob

Tweeeeeeeeeet Tweeeeeeeeeeet, Rules violation, rules violation! Failure to greet the barkeep - Rule #1. Sheesh! Boris Ring the bell - this guy is going to pay! [swg]

While I'd love to hear that music you rererred to, I seriously doubt that St. Louis will be a venue. We have a modest collection of CD's of the Maritimes - purchased from a friend's shop up in Sydney over the years - and we always enjoy the music. In fact we've introduced a few friends to it and they've ordered some discs as well .......Nothing like referrals, eh [?]

Be seein' ya - and remember, no words for the barkeep and it'll cost ya! [;)]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]