"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[West Coast S]

Tom.. The true measure of a man is in his accomplishments. I'll get to work on a new Abacus asap.

Pwolfe: Good observation of those automobile trains, I should think value in the hundred of thousands of dollars per load, before the inception of fully enclosed auto carriers it was common to have theives board and strip every removeable part from autos while in transit, tossing them off at selected sites where a partner was waiting who would then retreive the ill gotten gains and follow the train until such time as the theives jumped.

Conrail suffered massive theft by such means, the investigation determined that employees were the culprits. Over on the SP Sunset Route the same MO was used, SP countered by placing a rider coach ahead of or behind auto carries with railroad police monitering the shipment. I also observed these same SP rider coaches, used in the same manner on the Rio Grande on a couple of occasions.

Having loaded a few of the newer enclosed carriers in a earlier career, i'd say there secure against unauthorized entry, locked a few loaders inside once before on accident, no way out.

I don't doubt that the railroads continue to stay awake at nights wondering how secure shipments really are, the primary differance between then and now is the common criminal is but one facet of rail cargo security in a post 9/11 world.

Two rounds for the house, ring that bell twice if you could Boris.

Dave [tup]

[siberianmo]

G'day Guys!

What a Thursday - and I haven't even mentioned that tonight is Fish 'n Chips Nite. Nothing special on the Nick's Picks Board - that's been pretty vacant for weeks. But not to worry - we've got it covered. [tup]

pwolfe Pete Glad you enjoyed the party - we've got quite a bunch of guys 'round here and you fit in quite easily. [tup] By the by - thanx for the round! [tup] I think Boris has a hearing problem since that thing has been nearly on steady ring today .... [swg]

Whenever I'm in JCity, I try to take a walk around the Capitol building and the Veteran's Memorial overlooking the river. Really a nice spot. I'm sure there are several others. I also like to simply hang out down by the Amtrak station. Given that my round trips from Kirkwood to JCity have fallen on uncertain times - I've either msised the eastbound - or had to wait hours for it - I'm opting out of those. It will be to KCity or nothing. Rather fed up with it all and it's really a shame.

Back about 10 years ago, Amtrak threatened to shut the system down in Missouri unless it got more money from the Feds and the state. I managed to get 1,000 signatures on a petitition pesonally delivered to the Capital in the Capitol building to save the trains. There were hundreds of us from all over the state who delivederd to goods, so to speak. After that it was activity on a committee (I believe I've posted this info since you' ve been a customer) that met quarterly with MoDOT - Amtrak - Union Pacific (at times) - Mayors, Chambers of Commerce leaders and Tourism groups from the 10 stations between KCity and St. Louis. It was a four year effort, on my part, in absolute futility. Can't and won't point fingers - just an exercise in futility.

West Coast S Dave Two rounds - [wow] And the Eagle hasn't done it's thing yet - at least in my recollection of federal pay days. [swg]

There are many versions of the true measure of a man - my take on it is to leave those who know you a bit better off than before they knew you.

Can't comment factually regarding thieves - however I do know a bit about those trying to bring stuff and people into our country. It's the old law enfrocement adage - the good guys have to play by the rule with finite resources, while the bad guys have no rules and infinite resourcdes. It gets a bit frustrating when you take down the same bunch two or three times - only to have them returned to their respective festering holes to wait another day to make a run at you. [yeah] I remember those days ........

See ya later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening Gentlemen,first of all,a big thankyou to whoever poured me into a taxi after Ted`s party...[tup].[^]...-now,has anyone seen[4:-)]TOM ....ah,there you are,welcome home. have a large one on me---look forward to checking out your pix when I`m in a fit state to appreciate them WOLFMAN-if you like yorkshire ale ,just place an order at the bar and we`ll have it flown in on the weekly Zeppelin -----CAN-AM/CYMRU-DIRIGIBLES,just realised how drunk Iam,good night gentlemen,see you soon [C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Hey Nick

I'd say you've had a nite out at a local pub - but not ours! [swg] So the only cab in Mentor Village carted you home, eh[?] Did you know that the driver is Cindy's cousin, Rebecca on work release[?] Glad you made it safely - and of course with your honor undisturbed. [swg]

Catch ya later - by the way - Thursday's are Nick's Picks so perhaps you should plan ahead just a bit for next week! [:D]

Nite! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[pwolfe]

HI Tom and all
A Bathams please and fish and chips for later
Thanks Dave for the automobile train info when they had autos on open cars in England there was a lot damage caused by vandels.

Tom At least there is a passenger service in Missouri if you had not campaigned 10 years ago it might have been lost and once gone it almost never comes back.
Before my wedding in October we had family over and the menfolk got to travel Amtrak a couple of times once to K.C. once to KIRKWOOD .We were lucky with timekeeping and they were very impressed with thecars. Although I travelled once from K.C on time to Jeff City only to wait 1 hour outside the depot.

No doubt some one can help me .When GRADES are referred to they are in% am I right in thinking that a 1% means a rise of say 1foot in 100 feet and a 2% means 1in50 and so on[.[?]

I was thinking about this as south of Birmingham U.K. there is the LICKEY INCLINE a grade of 1in 37 for two miles at the bottom is a town called BROMSGROVE in the churchyard there is the graves of two enginemen who died as a result of a boiler explosion around 1850 or so. On the gravestones there is an engraving of NORRIS LOCOMOTIVE built in the U.S.A which were used as helpers up the grade. This was a bit unfair as it wasn't this type of loco that blew -up I suppose that the stonemason went to the depot and this was the type of loco he saw.

It is still part of the main line between Bristol and Birmingham and 100 years later heavy freights are still assisted by North American built locomotives the London Canada G.M. class 66
I was fortunate to visit in steam days and the sight and sound was unforgetable [wow].
Well I had better have another pint to wa***he delicious fish and chips down and be off PETE

[siberianmo]

Evening pwolfe Pete

Man oh man are we happy to see someone in here enjoying the Fish 'n Chips. Don't know what's going on, this used to be our Thursday Specialty of the House. Well, it is summertime and apetites may not be what they should be, given the enormous amout of beer we've been selling! [swg]

My complaints are really not with Amtrak so much as the entire mess that U.S. passenger railroading is in. We simply do not have a nationwide system nor do we have a nationwide railroad. Without delving into chapter and verse of it all, Amtrak is pretty much a user of someone else's trackage. In Missouri - east/west - it's Union Pacific. UP is notorious for lots of things - and I'm hardly a rail basher, freight or passenger - but I'll tell you that from experience, if it isn't roadbed and track work (which of course is necessary) it's late freights which somehow wind up putting Amtrak onto the sidings, over 'n over again. Just plailnly frustrating. In the 15 years or so of my KCity round trips, I've been on time more than not. However, if taken over the past 5 - no way. It's been pretty grim. So, let's hope that our get together provides us with a bit of time at Union Station - otherwise, we'll do as my friend and I did in March - remain on board. Fortuantely there was a decent beer supply - but the food provisions were sparce.

Appreciate your stopping by ....... Leon the Night Man just ambled in. Time for me to check out ... so I'll catch y'all in the AM. [zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Trainnut484]

Evening everyone [:D]. Leon I'll have a Miller Lite. Darn I missed Tom by about and hour or so.

Mowed the lawn just a couple of hours earlier. That's done for another two or three weeks.

I'll just mosey on back to the jukebox and relax. I'd like another Miller Lite to take back with me [:D]

Russell

[Anonymous]

Greetings and salutations All; Well the.....ooops! Ring the bell Boris, round's on me because I'm gonna be off topic. Seems the boys at the plant got carried away with their production and kept me really busy yesterday. OK,Nuff said.... Ted your birthday present is at:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a320/Lordhawke/DRG3B.jpg I can't seem to get it to ya any other way; sorry about that. I hope ya like it; it's one of my faves. It is a picture of a coal drag headed up to Soldier Summit and over the Wasatch Mts to points west. You are seeing the helper end with a2-10-2 and a 2-8-8-2 articulated with the head engine being another 2-8-8-2. It is a winter time shot which really enhances the steam effects. The photo is from the book Rio Grande: Mainline of the Rockies by Lucius Beebe and Charles Clegg. The photo is byR. Steinheimer taken in the winter of 1953 as she went through Castle Gate Utah. Enjoy! Tom, the pics of the RDC's are too cool; I've got one in this book you might like to see, so I'm gonna make a copy of it and post it at the above addy; will send it in a post soon, so you can peruse it at your leisure. (havin' a heckuva time getting the fingers to function properly tonite) Haven't had time to look at the pic site yet, but will get a round tuit(better than a square tuit) lol Hope Boris and the others got the place straightened up to your satisfaction. "Fraid I wasn't much help there. Barndad; thanx for the pep talk, I WILL get the fotygraffs figured out eventually! Now guys, I must go back and catch up on some more of what came b4. G'nite all Jeff

[trolleyboy]

Good evening gentlemen. I'll take a guiness I think Leon thank-you sir. Dave, Tom, Al & Dan Good info on the silk trains, I don't remember reading of armed guards on the CP trains though they did have a passenger car in the consist so they were likley watched. These were indeed the speed demons on the rails at the time.Though on CN and CP the passenger trains generally made good time. case in point my father in law loves to tell passenger train stories. He quite often would go visit his family in toronto by train in the 50's. CNR #17 would pick him up in Brantford and wisk him to Toronto covering the 65 miles in 45 minutes with all station stops. Dundas.Jerseyville, Copetown,Aldershot,Burlinton west, Oalville then Toronto Union. VIA today running on the same track takes a min. hour and fifteen with all station stops. Aldershot , oakville and Toronto Union. Hmm notice something missing? *** Ted & Tom Thoses are some nice photo's there Tom. which photo program did you finally use on them? You are right i would have enjoyed the mckinnley trips. I'm going to have to drag my wife and I down there kicking and screamming!!! In may I'll make sure you folks get the grand tour de museum. Ted if you and *** are good and Tom if you so choose I'll see if i can't get you in a PCC or Whitt's drivers seat.Well gentlemen I'm away. Talk to you tomorrow ( okay later today ) Rob

[Anonymous]

"Leapin' Lizards Daddy Warbucks!" It took 2 hours to get here from my last Post. Now that's "volume!" Tom, the pix are as fine as are the memories brought home from cherished years of yore. The BM and B&O RDC trips came back in "glorious technicolor." BTW, some comments from me are on your Web Site. Hey Rob, how 'bout those restored traction cars? The Melborne (Matilda) car may be from New Orleans Public Service roster when they sold them off to make room for their new Pearly Thomas Clones.[zzz] Don't know about you but I've always favored the "center door" exit/entry cars.[2c] Your proposal of standing at the "controller" of a Peter Whitt, exceeds my wildest halucinations.[^] However, previous trauma in Pittsburg, PA forces me to demure from the P.C.C. seating arrangement.[:O] BTW, I do know enough not to accelerate through a turnout.[(-D]

***, the pix Tom took around the Dallas area brought some nostalgic memories of my days at North Texas State U. (Denton, TX 1957), Union Station and the Southland building being among them. The LRV's, R.D.C's, Bombradiers and F40PH diesels are testaments to excellent service and maintenance shops. I hope Dallas appreciates such a clean, effecient commuter system.

Lordhawke Jeff, many thanks for the coal drag shot with the mighty mallets thundering over "Soldier Summit."[tup] The D&RGW is one of America's favorite roads and it is easy to see the reason. I still wanna "do" the Durango and Chalmas narrow gauge thing before I'm "over-the-hill."

Okay, let me have the honor of purchasing the first round today for this astute assemblage of scholars. Nick, let me order my "ribeye" medium rare with your special mushroom sauce in advance. West Coast Dave, I'm just a 'Cruit with 20 years, 1 month and 3 days compared to Tom's 32+ but I always looked at the "lean" years as an investment for the "long" years of a pretty secure retirement. I gots to say, it was worth every minute of active service. "You gets out of it what you puts into it."[2c] pwolfe, did you know that a famous Russian Composer (Prokofiev) wrote a symphonic narrative 'bout you? Yes, its called "Peter and the Wolf." And with that bit of trivia, I must take my leave now hoping to return very soon. Oh, don't forget, Rob's B'Day is fast approaching. You don't want to miss when he "lights-up" while changing poles.[(-D]

[siberianmo]

Morning Gang!

Looks like the place kept jumpin’ well after I called it a nite …. By the looks of the til we done good! [swg] That’s the idea – have to build up the fund for the next Birthday Bash which is in September for Trolleyboy Rob!

Trainnut484 Sorry I missed you …. Nonetheless, I’m sure you found some good tunes on the Juke and interesting stuff to listen to from the guys talking Classic Trains [tup]

Lorhawke Jeff Appreciate the round. That’s an interesting pix you found for Ted. Glad you enjoyed the Dallas pix and the RDC’s. I’m looking forward to your post! [tup] When you get a roundtuit, which is far better than a squaretuit for sure, I think you’ll get a flavor for the day that *** prepared for us. It was truly an amazing experience …….

trolleyboy Rob I figured you’d flip over those Trolley pix. The McKinney Street Trolley outfit is a first class organization. Met with the CEO and the Barn and we had quite a time going thru the assorted restorations going on. If you haven’t, check out the URL I provided for them – there’s lots of good skinny that I know you’ll appreciate.

Insofar as our Rendezvous in Toronto, May 2006 goes, that will be a winner for sure. So much going on trasnsit and rail transportation wise that it just can’t miss. While I don’t like to get into the nuts ‘n bolts here on the threads – one more time – YOU are in charge of the program. We’ve all given you the Carte Blanche to plan the activities. Just go for it, m’boy – go for it! Driving a Trolley would be a hoot indeed – however, I’d rather leave that to those who know what they’re doing! [swg] But being up front and taking in the sights that the motorman experiences – well that’s something to look forward to for sure.

Theordorebear Ted Yes, busy, busy, busy, as of late. Getting so that I’m spending much MORE time with these replies than ever before. However, that’s the idea of ”Our” Place – inclusiveness and personal interactions keep us up ‘n running. [tup]

While I’ve been to Dallas many times – but never had this much fun (with my clothes on, that is!), I really never knew just how transit and transportation friendly the town is. Man oh man, have they ever done it right. *** is out of town at the moment, or I’m sure he’d chime in with some insights for us all regarding how they got to where they are. From what I experienced, they should be the standard that other Metro areas try to emulate.

See y’all later …. Time for the SUMMARY

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

FRIDAY’s NEWS & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Good Morning! Today is not only the end of the work week, but it’s Pizza Nite along with our traditional Steak ‘n Fries from 5 PM ‘til closing! [yeah]

Completely blew off Fish ‘n Chips nite yesterday ….. so we’ll make up for it by offering that as well. So come hungry, guys! [tup]

News of the Day:

The Selection Committee for The Order of the Stools and Order of the Permanent Stools will be releasing the results of their meeting on Monday. Watch for it

SUMMARY:
Name - Date/Time - (Page#) - Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 09:12:32 (79) Thursday’s News & Summary

(2) trolleyboy Tom Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 09:17:11 (79)

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 09:21:56 (79)

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 09:44:42 (79) reply to Theordorebear

(5) wrwatkins *** Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 09:48:02 (79)

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 12:24:46 (79) reply to wrwatkins

(7) passengerfan Al Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 12:29:24 (79)

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 12:44:53 (79) Dallas Trip pix

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 12:49:38 (79) reply to passengerfan

(10) West Coast S Dave Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 14:03:02 (79)

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 14:11:35 (79) reply to West Coast S

(12) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 14:25:04 (80)

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 14:45:19 (80) reply to earlydiesels

(14) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 14:48:48 (80)

(15) West Coast S Dave Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 14:50:14 (80)

(16) passengerfan Al Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 14:57:59 (80)

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 14:59:58 (80) Dallas Trip

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 15:21:56 (80) reply to Trainnut484 and West Coast S, etc.

(19) pwolfe Pete Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 16:46:47 (80

(20) West Coast S Dave Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 17:57:08 (80)

(21) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 18:46:53 (80) reply to pwolfe and West Coast S, etc.

(22) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 19:19:49 (80)

(23) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 19:51:15 (80) reply to nickinwestwales

(24) pwolfe Pete Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 20:29:36 (80)

(25) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 21:17:51 (80) reply to pwolfe

(26) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 22:08:19 (80)

(27) Lordhawke Jeff Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 22:52:26 (80)

(28) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 23:37:07 (80)

(29) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 19 Aug 2005, 07:16:44 (80)

(30) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Aug 2005, 07:58:04 (80) reply to Trainnut484 – Lorhawke – trolleyboy – Theodorebear, etc.

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That’s it! [tup][;)]
Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Gunns]

Morning Tom
Coffee and Pastery for the run home,
Just off of work.

Ya'll thanks for the comments on "Classic Freight"
oops gotta run,
Gunns

[siberianmo]

THE CUSTOMERS of ”Our” Place as of August 19th, 2005

Al – passengerfan, first visit: 12 April 2005 – 2nd CHARTER MEMBER!

Chris – CFournier, first visit: 12 April 2005 – 1st CHARTER MEMBER!

----------------- coalminer3, first visit: 14 April 2005

Dan – earlydiesels, first visit: 16 April 2005

Dave – West Coast S, first visit: 14 April 2005

*** – wrwatkins, first visit: 2 May 2005

Doug – barndad, first visit: 12 July 2005

Jeff – Lordhawke, first visit: 12 Aug 2005

Kevin – Gunns, first visit: 28 June 2005

Nick – nickinwestwales, first visit: 27 April 2005

Pete – pwolfe, first visit: 8 Aug 2005

Rob – trolleyboy, first visit: 12 April 2005 – CHARTER MEMBER!

Russell – Trainnut 484, first visit: 27 June 2005

Ted – Theodorebear (and then some!), first visit: 2 May 2005

That’s the list of folks we see ‘round here.

ORDER OF THE STOOLS

Permanent Stool Chris First customer, [^] Barrister and Quebec connection.
Permanent Stool Ted Manager of “Our” Place and customer with unparalleled good cheer [swg] and determination. Florida connection.
Permanent Stool Nick Chief Chef [C=:-)] of “Our” Place and customer supreme from West Wales. British Isles connection.
Permanent Stool Trolleyboy Rob If it concerns street cars, talk to me! – and Ontario connection.
Permanent Stool Passengerfan Al Walking, talking “Classic Train” aficionado [2c] and author. California connection.
Reserved Stool *** Watkins Rail aficionado [2c], enthusiast, world traveler – and Texas [C):-)] connection.
Reserved Stool earlydiesels Dan Restorations are us! … And train lover at large [2c]. Southwest Missouri connection.
Reserved Stool West Coast S Dave California man of mystery [8D], real and model rail enthusiast, and West Coast connection.
Reserved Stool coalminer 3 Northeast rail aficionado [2c] and West Virginia connection.
Reserved Stool Gunns Kevin Machinist, loco restorationist supreme [2c] and New Mexico connection.
Reserved Stool Trainnut484 Russell AT&SF and rail enthusiast, model railroader [:D] and Kansas connection.


A customer may be considered for membership in either category through their participation in the discussions at "Our" Place. The quantity of posts does not mean as much as quality of them.

Further, willingness to participate in the banter goes a long way toward convincing the Selection Committee of one's eligibility. A rule of thumb: (1) Greet the barkeep and (2) Order a drink! It's that simple to get off to a good start with your posts! [swg]

Being a regular customer simply means that you've taken the time to drop in, have something to offer, respond to others, and enjoy the atmosphere of "Our" Place! Inclusiveness is what we're trying to achieve - repetitive one-on-one stuff should be relegated to Email.

Tom, Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

Hi Tom, just recieved mail and answered same post haste, thanks. Looks like a pretty relaxed Friday so far. Ordered the silly hats, kazoos, rattles, et al., for up coming Bash for Rob Perhaps [C=:-)] Nick would like to schedule the Tex Mex border "dispute" on the same date thus celebrating a single large event?[tup] In view of last Tuesday's devastation and subsequent "rehab," one "larger" may indeed be better than two "smaller."[swg] Hey, lots of good Posts recently showing how diverse this group really is. So, I'll imbibe a Beefeater Gin & Tonic w/twist and name yours. Then I'll settle in for that ribeye.[dinner] See all ya's later, Ted

[siberianmo]

G'day Ted

Love that Beefeaters & Tonic - twist of lime, of course! Great summertime treat. [yeah] [tup] Thanx! [swg]

Email received - responded to.

No doubt about it (or - no dooooot abooooot it - depending on location! [;)]) we've got quite the diverse group 'round here. Just wish some of the guys would take the time to check on what's been posted before jumping in. Kinda makes those who provide the pix and reports, etc., wonder whether they are being looked at by all. We're only a relative handful in here - so it shouldn't be that difficult. I've found that using the refresh feature really helps - it brings up those who are currently online and in this place of ours. Oh well, you can lead a horse to water ........

Insofar as Rob's Birthday Bash is concerned - it's his call with regard to date & time - Thursday, September 8th is his Natal Day. We await his decision, and of course there's plenty of time. [tup]

Noted that Gunns Kevin popped in and out ....... haven't heard much from him as of late. Must be workin' long, hard, 'n late.

Okay - catch ya later!

Tom[C=:-)][oX)]

[West Coast S]

Morning Tom and the gang...Still working with my four hour old cup of joe, got some freshly brewed in this joint or has Boris spiked the lot once more?

Heads up to those in Northern California and lovers of good old fashioned steam power, got the word from sources in the know that UP
3985 will be steaming west for her first left coast appearance in six years.

She is scheduled to put in a appearance at Portola, Ca Aug 31 to Sept 1. Heritage unit WP 1982 was present in Roseville as of this morning, leading to speculation that the two will be displayed together along with a possible second Heritage unit that will travel west as part of the 3985 consits.

Wow! And I have two weeks leave owed, If I get real quiet around those dates, you'll know where I am.

It's payday, ring that bell Boris, Tom, may I suggest we start a clapper replacement fund, first five bucks is on me.

Dave [tup]

[Anonymous]

Hello everyone! A cold Guiness, please, Tom, and a round for yourself. I will saunter over to the jukebox and see if C.W.McCall's got any songs on there. Kinda want to hear "Silverton".
Checked out the "heritage" Katy on newswire after leaving here yesterday. Perhaps I wasn't drunk enough to appreciate it. Or maybe I was. At any rate, it doesn't look like our #142 or any MKT engine I remember. What is up with those funky stripes at at angle from the front???
Been having to scramble up a crew today. The G.M. was marked up to run tomorrow but he called early AM sick so had the cell glued to the ear. Moved the fireman up to engineer, yours truly from conductor to fireman, and got a real UP engineer to be the conductor. Being an all volunteer railway is always an adventure in creativity!
As you can tell, I will be at the railroad this weekend so may not return until Monday. Wish you all would ride sometime. Now, I'll take another Guiness and see why the jukebox quit in the middle of "Blackberry Road".

[coalminer3]

Good Afternoon:
Nice to see daylight (the sun, not the train). Most here know I am a devotee of the NYC and such, but every so often I find some interesting things while looking in other publications. Here's something that will bring tears to the eyes of those Pullman fanatics among us ( I guess I qualify there, too). I was looking through some 1942-era material and came up with this list of Pullman lines that ran on the PRR.

Chicago-New York
Chicago-Pitsburgh
Chicago-Scranton (via DL&W at Sunbury)
Pittsburgh-Philadelphia
Chicago-Boston (via New York)
Chicago-Cleveland
Pittsburgh-Boston
Pittsburgh-Springfield, MA
Pitsburgh-Baltimore
Louisville-New York
Cincinnati-Cleveland
Pittsburgh-Harrisburg
Detroit-Cincinnati
St. Louis-Columbus
St. Louis-New York
St. Louis-Pittsburgh
St. Louis-Washington
Indianapolis-New York
Indianapolis-Washington
Louisville-Pitsburgh
Columbus-New York
Columbus-Washington
Cincinnati-New York
Birmingham-New York
Memphis-New York

Lot's of interline service for certain and, of course, some that went deep into the heart of Central territory.

Have a good weekend.

work safe

[Trainnut484]

Afternoon everyone [:)]. Tom, I'll have a Miller LIte with an ICE COOOOOLDD mug, and a couple of slices of pizza if it's not too soon. It's around 98 degrees here in KC. One can drown in sweat just walking from their front door to the car in the driveway.

Glad the weekend is here [8D] [yeah][tup]

Dan I can sympathize with the MKT heritage unit. I wonder what the UP marketing department was drinking thinking when making that design.

Going [#offtopic] here. Boris assume the bell ringing postion. Dave, on my topic in the MR forum, I was mainly interested in where others are at in their model railroading situations, and if their content with status quo or want to try something else that will be challenging. I'm in HO scale and not ready for something different now. Maybe I'll get an O scale locomotive as a display for a conversation piece. Sorry about the confusion. I guess I should go back and rephrase the topic. That's what happens when I'm online late at night [oops][D)][banghead] OK Boris, rrriiinnnngggg that bell. Drinks all around on me.

Kevin, how's work progressing on the 2926[?] Inquiring minds want to know [:D]

Take care,

Russell

[siberianmo]

G'day Gang!

I see a nice representation of members this afternoon! Appreciate the rounds and Boris certainly enjoys ringing that blasted bell! [swg]

West Coast S Dave Good idea! There's a jar right over there between the pickled pigs feet and hard boiled eggs, marked Clapper Replacement. Your fiver is in there - thanx! One of the things I used to insist on with my crews is that no one - repeat no one ever lost their leave. May not always have been able to take it on the choice dates, but with sufficient planning, there's simply no excuse to lose it. Enjoy yours!

earlydiesels Dan

Don't know what the problem might be with our Juke - shouldn't be any for the price I paid to have it upgraded. Just leave a sticky note on the side closest to the pickled pigs feet jar and I'll be sure to get those tunes you like put in! [tup]

coalminer3

As a PRR fan, appreciate the list! [tup] All that's missing are the names of those trains - a good task for passengerfan Al! [swg]

Trainnut484 Russell

Sorry, but I don't seem to get to browse the other Forums as much as I used to - only perhaps when things are really quiet 'round here. Otherwise, this place keeps me totally occupied for sure. So, I'm unable to comment further on your MRR forum stuff .....

See y'all! [;)]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

The frequency of signing in today is proportional to how blessed HOT it is here in FL. By Gadfrey, I don't recall this kind of heat in 17 years.[V] Tom, another Gin & Tonic if you please, defintely a Lime twist. Say, I just took a peek at Broadway Limited's release of California Zephyr light weights. I need a "second opinion" on some details that I found to be "off the mark" but I've been wrong before. Would someone interested "scope" these HO replicas and comment on them? I won't "poison the well" with further comments that might influence other's objectivity. One emphasis I can't ignore is on the trucks but there are others as well. See what you think, [tup] or [tdn]?

All "urban renewal" on the garage HO has ground to a halt. The "Fence Line R.R." outside (G gauge) hasn't been touched since May. If the heat wasn't enough, there have been 8 cases of West Nile Virus (mosquito induced) in my County alone. Structures that I can work on inside have been the only option. "The spirit is willing but the flesh is well done."[xx(] At least you chaps can expect relief in Sep. or early Oct. Here, Purgatory holds fast 'till Novenber.[:O] Boris...you know what to do. Enjoy the round in good health. Until next time, so long for now.

[passengerfan]

Good afternoon Tom How about a CR and a round for the house.
Tom don't have time to go digging for all of those PRR Pullman line trains but would like to add that the list got longer in 1948-49 when the through coast-to-coast sleepers were added to the PRR east of Chicago. These sleepers traveled on such famous postwar streamliners as the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR, CITY OF LOS ANGELES, CHIEF, CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO, SAN FRANCISCO OVERLAND. I had often wondered why their were not any through transcontinental sleepers between the east coast and Pacific Northwest.. Research concluded that their actually were but these cars were operated in Park service. There was actually trips that originated in New York and Washington using PRR, NYC and B&O cars that were transferred to the ORIENTAL LIMITED initially later WESTERN STAR in Chicago and traveled to Glacier National Park where they would spend from 3 to five days depending which travel company booked the trip then continue west to either Chicago or Portland. From their they generally traveled south on the SP to Oakland or east on the UP from Portland for the return. Those cars that went south to Oakland usually returned east from that point although one travel company at least operated their cars further south to LA before turning east on either the AT&SF or UP for the return trip. Now I have a question did the Pullman operate from Oakland south to LA in the LARK or OWL? I have not been able to determine which train was used. Talk about luck a fine old gentleman recently moved into the apartment complex where I reside and it turns out he was in Pullman service for many years, I can't wait to have a sit down chat with him it should be interesting. I just found this out yesterday that he belongs to a group of retired Pullman porters who meet monthly in Berkeley and his railroad pass is still good for all of his travel. Talk about a lucky find for me maybe.

[passengerfan]

Hello once again Tom Guess I'll have one more CR and give the house another round.
Just did a quick look through my CZ plans for Ted and compared them with the Broadway Limited CZ cars on their website and Ted even using a magnifying glass I must admit they really look good to me. Checfked window sizes and placements the cars that Ishowed complete broadside and the only thing I found wrong was the diaphragms. The CZ used full width diaphragms. The trucks are correct but could use more detail. The SILVER DOVE sleeper was not in the original CZ it was one of the 6-Double Bedroom 5-Compartment sleepers added in August 1952 to the CZ consists. The Dome Buffet Lounge Dormitory car was accurate as far as side detail went. Could not find any faults at all. Did I miss something Ted

[siberianmo]

Evenin ' Gents!

I see a good number of track gang guys are at the pool tables - steaks 'n fries are being served and the pizza ovens are perkin' - all the makings for a good Friday nite! [tup]

Ted Certainly understandable regarding the West Nile virus - no point in taking unnecessary chances. The garden RR can and will wait. We too are experiencing a humdinger of a hot and dry summer in mid-continent USA - blast furnace temps again today. The Fall surely cannot get here any quicker as far as I'm concerned! [tup] Enjoy the gin & tonic with a twist! [swg]

Al Never really figured you'd run that list of equipment that coalminer3 posted. Nonetrheless, between the two of you, that's mighty interesting info for those of us who appreciate the subject 'round here - Classic Trains! [yeah]

Thanx for the rounds TWO [wow] - Boris go ahead and ring the bell! [swg]

By the by - your Email response was received. [tup]

Regarding the person you have just met who was with Pullman - perhaps you can steer him onto our thread. Never know until you ask.

Gotta get those bar orders taken care of .......

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Hi guys,just stopping in for a nightcap,-Ted-West Nile Fever,-could well be the next big thing in communicable diseases-got some Canadian Govt website adds. somewhere,will look them out. ,O.K, I`m outta here,be good,have fun,nick [C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Hey Nick!

Where ya been lately [?] Ain't the same 'round here without our Chief Chef [C=:-)].

Lotsastuff been posted, so don't get too far behind. [swg]

By the by, Email response received; thanx! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Gunns]

Evening Tom,
More cofee.....
Sorry work has me running, we are doing an air start system replacment. That brings to mind... How were equipnebt upgrades handled? As far as I know the AT&SF had a long transition period where heavy weights and smoothsides opperated together, and then a period where smoothsides were "shadow painted" so as to opperate in the same trains as the stainless streamliners. Also I understand that many cars were retired to MOW status.

Trainnut484 Russell I've moved my status reports to the Museum thread, but be assured all is progressing. Current work is refurbishing the brakes on the tender. In other news members of our club are going to be in Amarillo to help move the "Madam Queen" former AT&SF 5000, a one of a kind 2-10-4. they are going to move it in to a glass display building.

more after rounds,
Gunns

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and all. I'll have tea and a light breakfast please.
It's raining here in Chicagoland, which is something that we need, but it throws my weekend morning ritual off as I usually get around by bike. My usual Saturday consists of riding to Richard Walkers for an apple pancake, and then to the train museum in Union. It's about a 17 mile trip through some really nice country. I pass the stable in Woodstock where my wife keeps her horse ( a Paint named Apache). After she does her usual morning routine, she goes to the stable to ride with her friends, and then picks me up sometime in the afternoon from the museum. Then we share a late lunch before returning home to our other animals ..... our kids. It's a nice schedule that we've come to enjoy, but the one thing that can throw it off ... is rain. Rain keeps us both from riding.
Rain also effects revenues at IRM, and we really can't afford that. This is one of our Thomas weekends too. Like most museums, we rely heavily on profits from Thomas. Fortunately, Thomas tickets have been selling since May, but this weather will definitely have an impact. I know this isn't exactly classic train talk, but revenues from Thomas are what keep our classic train museum alive.
Have a great day all.

[Anonymous]

G'Mornin' everyone, Tom don't stand up, I'll just mosey over to the urns and pastry shelf; splash some Joe and claw a Bavarian, ah that's got it. Al, thanks for taking the time for giving the CZ cars "the once [or twice] over." I was uneasy with the marker lights on the boat tail (over sized?) and skirts on all of the cars, also the stancions for the antenna appear "over" scale. The trucks seem so spare of detail as to be generic. Yes, the diaphrams are incorrect but that's easy to fix. Now, to the window frames on the dome. Are they too wide (heavy) for the size of the lites? I'm not a pedant on these matters; they are darned good looking cars. I just want to check with a "trained (pun intended) eye" for closer scrutiny, thank you Sir.[tup] Sounds like you hit a "gold mine" with your new neighbor.[:D]

Gunns, pure coincidence but the "thread just before "Our" Place today, has info on "brass" HO ATSF 2-10-4, "longest wheelbase steam in U'S." Also, there is an example of "shadow stripe" painted ATSF 80' standard Pullman on www.branchline-trains.com. Find and click on "Blueprint Series," click on Passenger cars, find "Pullman." Wow, is it a weird looking "Duck!" SLSF used "shadow" on some of their smooth sides, didn't know ATSF did also.

[C=:-)] Nick, "...be good, have fun?" Isn't that an oxymoron? Yes, West Nile is no joking matter![:O] Only 3 have died from the virus but that's 3 too many. They were elderly, so I'm safe...yeah, sureTed.[:-^] At first I thought it was some sort of terrorist plot, OOooh![:I] Rob, great mail![(-D] Keep 'em comin'!

Okay Tom, hate to eat and run but the Legion needs some help again. Oh well, maybe my reward will be at that "great repo depot in the sky?" See ya's later, Ted