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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 2, 2006 8:48 AM
Good rainy morning again guys. You know, it occurs to this unworthy one, that the only to keep these Sunday pix days pages from creating loading problems, is to interject more text so there is less room for memory-stealing pictures. Make sense? In that spirit, here is another “pix” submission from me. I feel it’s also the type of story that’s completely in-line with commemorating the birth of an American city during this celebratory weekend.

Boxcar Camp: First Stop to American Dream

A fascinating cover story by Crystal Yednak in the Chicago Tribune on June 13 told about Senoblo Nila, a Mexican immigrant who settled in Eola (near Aurora, Il.) in 1923, and went to work with other Mexicans for the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy railroad at its scrap plant.

Mr. Nila and his co-workers persuaded the railroad to give them old boxcars, which they converted to homes. Soon, a neighborhood was born, and when the boxcar camp was dismantled in 1934, after the CB&Q cut back on the workforce at its scrap plant, many of the Mexican immigrants took apart the boxcars and used the lumber to help build homes in the area, which eventually helped form the city of Aurora.

Mr. Nila, now 105 years old, recalled the early days recently at a gathering that was part birthday party and part historical recollection for the Aurora Historical Society. Mr. Nila, with oversized glasses and white hair, still has a sharp memory. His son says he does not take any daily medication, and started using a walker only last year.

At the gathering, a small, partial exhibit of the boxcar collection was displayed. The boxcar camp had about 20 cars holding 135 people when it was complete, all lined up along the track near the railroad scrap plant, where the men spent their days. Imagination helped the mothers create warm kitchens in the one-room cars, and children to live their lives without noticing they were poor.

In oral histories that are part of the historical society’s collections, the families described how they transformed boxcars into homes. They fashioned kitchens in the center of the cars, around potbelly stoves. They filled pots of water from the faucets between each car. Curtains sometimes divided the living area from the bedroom area.

A report from the U.S. Dep’t of Labor in 1926 says that 22 married men who worked for the CB&Q’s scrap plant lived with their families in the boxcar camp. The report’s author wrote “The cars are kept clean, and at any time one can see a woman or two washing or scrubbing. Chickens, cats, dogs and children play together around the houses.”

The families built a church, played music after work, and watched their children play baseball on a makeshift diamond. Mr. Nila planted gardens, according to his son. After the camp was dismantled, the families moved to Aurora and together built homes for each other.

Today, Mr. Nila’s home features a plaque from the city of Aurora that’s reads “It began with you. It continues today with you. In recognition of the generations that were, and the generations to come. Aurora salutes the courage, spirit and will of the Nila family.”



Now …. Let’s check the progress of my son’s home as compared to mine.

Here’s his house, ready to move into on July 18th


Here’s my house, projected to be ready on October 6th.



[:I] I walked into a bar the other day and ordered a double.

The bartender brought out a guy who looked just like me. [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, July 2, 2006 7:50 AM
Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s –
We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!


NOW PLAYING at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!

. . . Sunday, July 2nd thru 8th: 1776 (1972): starring: William Daniels & Howard Da Silva – and – The Patriot (2000) starring: Mel Gibson, Heath Ledger & Joely Richardson. SHORT: Movie Maniacs (1936).


The Patriot (2000)


QUOTE: PLOT SUMMARY: The movie takes place in South Carolina in 1776. Benjamin Martin, a French-Indian war hero who is haunted by his past, is a patriot who wants no part in a war with Britain. Meanwhile, his two eldest sons, Gabriel and Thomas, can't wait to go out and kill some Redcoats. When South Carolina decides to go to war with Britain, Gabriel immediately signs up to fight...without his father's permission. But soon, Colonel Tavington, British solder infamous for his brutal tactics, captures Gabriel and sentences him to be hanged. As Gabriel is taken away, Thomas tries to free him, only to be killed by Tavington, in front of Benjamin. Now, seeking revenge for his son's death, Benjamin leaves behind his 5 other children to bring independence to the 13 colonies.
from: www.imdb.com



1776 (1972)

QUOTE: PLOT SUMMARY: The film version of the Broadway musical comedy of the same name. In the days leading up to July 4, 1776, Continental Congressmen John Adams and Benjamin Franklin coerce Thomas Jefferson into writing the Declaration of Independence as a delaying tactic as they try to persuade the American colonies to support a resolution on independence. As George Washington sends depressing messages describing one military disaster after another, the businessmen, landowners and slave holders in Congress all stand in the way of the Declaration, and a single "nay" vote will forever end the question of independence. Large portions of spoken and sung dialog are taken directly from the letters and memoirs of the actual participants.

from: www.imdb.com



Three Stooges Short Subject: Movie Maniacs (1936)


PLOT SUMMARY: Featuring Moe, Larry and Curly
The boys are stowaways on a train box-car filled with furniture bound for the "Hollywood Storage Co.," and they hope to break into movies together and become stars. They arrive at the Carnation Pictures Studios. Fuller Rath, the studio general manager, previously received a telegram from the Home Office telling him that a certain "Mr. Smith and his two assistants" will arrive to take over the supervision of the studios. He mistakes the Stooges as the executives and gives them free reign over the studios, where they proceed to disrupt and destroy the production of a romantic drama. Meanwhile, Fuller Rath receives a second telegram stating the executives won't arrive until later, at which he sends the studio guards after the Stooges, who beat a hasty retreat.

from: www.threestooges.net



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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 2, 2006 7:00 AM
In other news, observe the painting progress being made on our BN 5383. This unit is supposed to be back in service this July 15th!



Here’s our kid (Katie) in the photo for size reference



Here’s the view from behind



Here is my next project at IRM. Restoration of this elevated train station and platform








[:I] A man drinks a shot of whiskey every night before bed. After years of this, the wife wants him to quit; she gets two shot glasses, filling one with water and the other with whiskey.

After getting him to the table, she brings his bait box. She says "I want you to see this." She puts a worm in the water it, and it swims around.

She puts a worm in the whiskey, and the worm dies immediately. She then says, feeling that she has made her point clear, "what do you have to say about this experiment?"

He responds by saying: "If I drink whiskey, I won't get worms!" [:I]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 2, 2006 6:39 AM
Good morning one and all! Amazing Canadian ENCORE contributions yesterday from Tom yesterday, and I can't say enough about the material from Dave! I had no idea that the Canadians were responsible for so many rail related inovations, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. You know, I see those concrete ties used a lot around train stations, but really no where else. I imagine it has to do with cost, and the fact that for the most part, trains are moving slow through the stations. INteresting computer generated picture this A.M. Tom.

As for this batch of photos, since our discussion recently has centered on Gas Turbine-Electric units, here is some information and pix from yesterday at the IRM.



1960 Union Pacific 18. Early diesels had relatively low power (800-2000 hp). Beginning in 1948, the Union Pacific and GE developed alternatives for heavy freight. The resulting 55 units replaced the usual diesel prime mover with an aircraft gas turbine.



The last thirty turbines (UP1-30) were the largest (166 feet) and the most powerful internal combustion engines ever built, but were not fuel efficient. The lead unit contained the cab, controls, and a 850 hp diesel to start the turbine and for low speed movement.



In the second unit, the turbine drove the two main generators to supply electricity for 12 traction motors.



The tender (from a retired steamer) held thick “bunker C” fuel oil for the turbine.



All turbines were retired by 1969, as new diesels were developed and fuel costs rose.



UP 18 was obtained in 1992 from another museum. Only two turbines survive. This turbine has 10,000 hp and weighs 839,000 pounds, less the tender.


[:I] A man who smelled like a distillery flopped on a subway seat next to a priest. The man's tie was stained, his face was plastered with red lipstick, and a half empty bottle of gin was sticking out of his torn coat pocket. He opened his newspaper and began reading. After a few minutes, the disheveled guy turned to the priest and asked, "Say, father, what causes arthritis?"

"Mister, it's caused by loose living, being with cheap, wicked women, too much alcohol and a contempt for your fellow man."

"Well I'll be." the drunk muttered, returning to his paper.

The priest, thinking about what he had said, nudged the man and apologized. "I'm very sorry. I didn't mean to come on so strong. How long did you have arthritis?"

"I don't have it father. I was just reading here that the Pope does." [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, July 2, 2006 6:21 AM
Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s –
We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

The Canadian FOTO ALBUM


Caveat: All photographs used were obtained from Canadian Pacific web sources. They are used herein strictly for the pleasure of the participants of this Thread, with no monetary profit motive intended, whatsoever.


CP "The Canadian" (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" baggage car (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" baggage dormitory car (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" baggage & baggage dormitory cars (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" coach (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" Skyline dome-cafe car (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" "Wascana" diner (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" Chateau class sleeper (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" Manor class sleeper (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" Banff obs dome (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" departing Banff (1955) (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" Banff obs dome (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" Banff dome obs (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" Banff dome obs (foto credit: CP)




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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, July 2, 2006 12:04 AM



SUNDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


We open at 6 AM on Monday morning.
(All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


We are CLOSED on SUNDAYs but do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day![tup][tup][tup]


Daily Wisdom


How can I find it if it’s lost?
ENCORE! Yogi-ism


Info for the Day:


Railroads from Yesteryear –
ENCORE! New York Central (NYC)
Arrives Tuesday! – watch for it!


* Weekly Calendar:



Tuesday is Independence Day so in honor of our 4th of July heritage, the bar will be OPEN the gals of ”Our” Place will be working, including for Cindy.Lunch is on the house for all! [tup] [swg]



Tuesday: RR Theme for the Day!
Wednesday: Toy ‘ Model Trains Day!
Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday



MVP Award Winners

April 2006 . . . LoveDome Lars
May – June . . . . barndad Doug




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Comedy Corner

Reasons “things” happen!

Law of Spectators: At any event, the people whose seats are furthest from the aisle arrive last.


Law of Coffee: As soon as you sit down to a cup of hot coffee, your boss will ask you to do something which will last until the coffee is cold.


Murphy's Law of Lockers: If there are only two people in a locker room, they will have adjacent lockers.


Law of Dirty Rugs/Carpets: The chances of an open-faced jelly sandwich landing face down on a floor covering are directly correlated to the newness and cost of the carpet/rug.


Law of Location: No matter where you go, there you are.



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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

NOW SHOWING:

. . . Sunday, July 2nd thru 8th: 1776 (1972): starring: William Daniels & Howard Da Silva – and – The Patriot (2000) starring: Mel Gibson, Heath Ledger & Joely Richardson. SHORT: Movie Maniacs (1936).

COMING ATTRACTIONS:

. . . Sunday, July 9th thru 15th: The Flight of the Phoenix (1965) starring: James Stewart, Richard Attenborough, Peter Finch – and – M*A*S*H (The Movie - 1970) starring: Donald Sutherland, Elliott Gould, Tom Skerritt. SHORT: Half-Shot Shooters (1936)



SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) barndad Doug Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 06:11:20 (368) ENCORE: Caboose History ‘ Joke!

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 06:56:57 (368) Saturday’s Info & 15-Post Summary

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 06:59:00 (368) Canada Day ENCORE: Canadian Northern Railway (CNoR)

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 09:11:54 (368) Canada Day ENCORE: Northern Alberta Railway (NAR)

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 10:47:29 (368) Alberta gold, etc.

(6) wanswheel Mike Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 10:53:45 (368) Canada Day URLs!

(7) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 11:11:10 (368) Gulf Coast Report!

(8) barndad Doug Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 11:11:29 (368) Canada Day article: We Should be Celebrating Dominion Day

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 11:17:01 (368) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 11:30:35 (368) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 11:46:35 (368) Canada Day ENCORE: Nostalgia #5 – CP ad (1886)

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 13:26:19 (368) Canada Day ENCORE: Nostalgia #6 – CP ad (1950s)

(13) West Coast S Dave Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 13:28:22 (368) Left Coast Report ‘n ENCORE: SP U33Cs

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 15:44:52 (368) for Dave

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 15:57:19 (368) Canada Day ENCORE: Nostalgia #29 – CP ad (1950)

(16) West Coast S Dave Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 17:40:58 (368) Canadian RR engineering contributions!

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 18:39:22 (368) for Dave

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 18:41:36 (368) Canada Day ENCORE: Nostalgia #53 – CNR ad (1949)

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Jul 2006, 20:10:55 (368) Canada Day ENCORE: Nostalgia #70 – CNR ad (1933)




That’s it! [tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 1, 2006 8:10 PM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday



PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #70

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Canadian National Railways (CNR) from a 1933 advertisement in my personal collection.



THE VACATION YOU’VE DREAMED OF COSTS LESS THAN EVER THIS YEAR IF YOU SPEND IT IN CANADA

JASPER PARK

in the

CANADIAN ROCKIES

Here’s a vacation of a thousand thrills: Maligne lake whose waters offer the finest brook trout fishing on this continent and mirror mountain scenes of almost incredible beauty! The famous drive to Mt. Edith Cavell with its dazzling Angel Glacier . . . The Pocahontas Highway where mountain sheep and goats, deer and black bears often pose for camera hunters . . . Golf on a championship course with breath-taking views from every fairway. Swimming in a warmed outdoor pool . . . tennis . . . trail riding . . . mountain-climbing with Swiss guides.

The friendly hospitality of Jasper Park Lodge is as much a part of this perfect vacation as the mountains themselves. Luxurious accommodations. Perfect food. Rates from $7.00 a day, Canadian funds, for room and meals (10% discounts for two weeks or more). Season June 1- September 23. Booklets, travel films and all information from any office below.

1933 SPORTING EVENTS
Riding, swimming, hiking, mountain climbing with Swiss guides and every vacation sport. July 1 – the Rodeo. September 2-9 – Totem Pole Golf Tournament.

CANADIAN NATIONAL

To Everywhere in Canada

BOSTON . . . . . . . . . . . . KANSAS CITY . . . . . PORTLAND, Me.
186 Tremont St. . . . . . . . 705 Walnut St. . . . . . Grand Trunk Ry Sta.

BUFFALO . . . . . . . . . . . LOS ANGELES . . . . . St. LOUIS
420 Main St. . . . . . . . . . .607 So Grand Ave. . . .314 No Broadway

CHICAGO. . . . . . . . . . . . MINNEAPOLIS . . . . . St. PAUL
4 So.Michigan Blvd.. . . . . 654 Marquette Ave. . . 83 East Fifth St.

CINCINNATI . . . . . . . . . . NEW YORK . . . . . . . .SAN FRANCISCO
49 E. Fourth St.. . . . . . . . 673 Fifth Ave.. . . . . . . 648 Market St.

DETROIT. . . . . . . . . . . . . PHILADELPHIA. . . . . SEATTLE
1524 Washington Blvd.. . . 1422 Chestnut St... . . 1329 Fourth St.

DULUTH . . . . . . . . . . . . . .PITTSBURGH . . . . . .Washington, D.C.
428 W Superior St. . . . . . . 355 Fifth Ave. . . . . . .15th & H Sts. NW

. . . . . . . . . . LONDON, Eng. . . . . . . . . . PARIS, France
. . . . . . . . . . 17-19 Cockspur St. . . . . . . 1 rue Scribe


That's IT - Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 1, 2006 6:41 PM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday



PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #53

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Canadian National Railways (CNR) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.



one of Canada’s 10 most popular VACATIONS

ENJOY the best that Canada offers. Play in the mountain-and-sea setting of the glorious West Coast (Vancouver harbor) or see the sights of her Eastern Cities: Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec, Halifax . . . You go in comfort by Canadian National, the railway to everywhere in Canada.

”East or West, we’ll show you
CANADA’s BEST!”


EXPLORE the snug harbors, the historic towns, the “picture places” of Canada’s Maritime Provinces (Lunenburg, Nova Scotia). The Ocean Limited, the International Limited and other Canadian National “name trains give easy access to all Eastern Canada.

BE THE GUEST of the largest railway system in North America . . . traveling happy-go-lazy to choice vacation areas . . . stopping at Canadian National resorts and big city hotels of distinction. To California and anywhere West, to New York and anywhere East, go Canadian National. “We’ll tell you where and take you there!”


CANADIAN NATIONAL

THE RAILWAY TO EVERYWHERE IN CANADA


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 1, 2006 6:39 PM
Yo Dave!

Many THANX for that fine rundown on the RR enginnering contributions from our cousins to the north! [tup] [tup] [tup] I surely didn't know of very many . . . The only downside to any of it is that we haven't got the clientele to read it today - or perhaps ever. Such are the ways of the 'hit 'n miss' tavern by the tracks!

Have a safe and fun time on your getaway . . . . [tup]

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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, July 1, 2006 5:40 PM
Hello once again Tom, Forget the T and create a new word, kinda like "Our place" Scrabble.

THINGS THE CANADIAN RAILWAYS DID THAT THEIR AMERICAN COUTERPARTS DID NOT DO, OR DO UNTIL MUCH LATER OR NOT AT ALL:

(1) First to use the ditch light

(2) Set aside a trainmaster and C Liner for preservation (no versions survive in the lower 48)

(3) Perfected the use of snow shields on diesel power to protect radiator cores from freezing (A favorite SP modification)

(4) First to build extensive rock fall detectors with signal interfaces, only the Norfolk & Western could rival them....

(5) Equally important were snow slide detectors, I know of no U.S. road that employed these....

(6) Proved that concrete ties were a viable alternative to the standard wooden tie....

(7) Early use of Gunnite to line tunnels and shore up retaining walls

(8) Blasted and cut a complete loop inside a tunnel, a engineering feat unsurpassed until the Chunnel project.

(9) Perfected the technique for the mass production to a system standard for Preassembled bridge girders sections that were then barged, where/when the rivers were navigable or in the winter by sleding over the thick ice by dray, to the construction site...

(10) By installing a barrel of Tallow and whale blubber with a attendent trackside who would then coat the flanges of passing trains, the Canadians applied the theory of physics with a prototype rail lubricator that with improvements over the ensuing decades is now a esential safety device to protect flanges and the inside rails from developing heat/stress fractures.

Well, Tom, that's my top 10 engineering contributitions from our ever inventive neighbors to the north..

I'm leaving town tonight for the long holiday, about 116 in the shade were I and my lovely will be, shall return, perhaps slightly sunburned and heat exhausted, on Wednesday.

Dave
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 1, 2006 3:57 PM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday



PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #29

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check out this advertisement regarding the Canadian Pacific from 1950:


18 vacation delights seeing
EAST-to-West Canada


Value-minded travelers go Canadian Pacific!

Want your vacation sunny and salty? With family fun?

1. It’s waiting in down-east Nova Scotia at the Digby Pines, a picturesque hotel and cottage colony. 2. Your comfort’s in the good care of Canadian Pacific. 3. Like “another world” city? See Old Québec. 4. Ride in a Calèche. 5. Shop winding streets. 6.Visit Ste. Anne de Beaupré, 7. Or Isle d'Orléans! 8. Relax gaily at Canadian Pacific’s great Château Frontenac! 9. Onward! By Canadian Pacific train, notred for food and service. 10. Stop in gay Montréal, queenly Ottawa or colorful Toronto. 11. But stay and Play in Ontario’s lake-and-woods country! 12.Westward! Along the scene north shore of Lake Superior and across rolling prairies. 13. Then through the sky-high Canadian Rockies try Canadian Pacific Diesel train! 14 Stop at Banff Springs and Lake Louise and see unparalleled beauty! 15. Roll on by Canadian Pacific through Evergreen scenery. 16. Visit Victoria and reel in roses! 17. Stay there the Empress set in famous gardens! 18. Golf, swimming, sailing, fishing . . . take your choice!

Ask your travel agent about a world of service: To Europe by White Empress ships. Two Canadian Pacific air routes; to the Far East, or New Zealand and Australia. Across Canada, 19 fine hotels and resorts.

Canadian Pacific
See your local agent or Canadian Pacific in principal cities in U.S. and Canada


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 1, 2006 3:44 PM
G'day!

No Tweedables 'round here, Dave - those are Tweetables! The first is fabric, the second is the sound one hears en route the Rat's Patoot Room! [swg]

Appreciate your joining in on ENCORE! Saturday - that is a PLUS, indeed - no point in pushing our luck, eh [?] Fine contribution from the past, and you've got a "bunch" to show for it. [tup]

Check out this URL for some U33C ifno . . .
http://www.thedieselshop.us/GE_U33C.HTML

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, July 1, 2006 1:28 PM
Good Saturday Tom, Shot of Jose Cuervo if you please seinor' Hmm... Canada Day, not to much to add on that subject as so many here can convey the Canadian experience better then I , so here is a repeat, "tweedable" offense posting, Doug and I are ready, bring on AWK!!!

AL, Recently I viewed a documentary regarding the Athabasca oil sands on our local PBS affilate, interesting blend of technologies and the amount of sand need to extract a barrel of oil, those temps common to the area would make for difficult exploration and recovery...

Tom, So Kalmabach is revising the site, the only constant is change as they say, appreciate the heads up you posted yesterday and the message you forwarded

Doug, the research man, good info on Dominion day, never knew so much about our neighbors to the north, might yet get educated in te ways of things Canadian with such excellent contributitions.

Rob, This wasn't SP's first time under scrunity, during the first half of last century the actions of it's officers became so blatent that the Government became involved and ordered a UP/SP/CP breakup, all done under carefull Fedral supervision, then the oversight commitee, relishing in the sucess, returned to their cozy offices in Washington and it was back to business as usual for the SP. Seems quite a few transportaion companies were under scruity, not all of then rail operators.


QUOTE: Originally posted by West Coast S

The rise and fall of the General Electirc U33C on the Southern Pacific .

As EMD gained market shares with the SD45, GE was left wanting and smarting that SP had shifted loyalty, a loyality that dated back to the Alco PA's and U25B. SP shunned all current GE offerings in it's desire to carry out it's longer, heavier, fewer units per train concept. and the SD45 was THAT engine to the tune that SP ammased three hundred and twenty four of them in various configurations.

As great as the SD45 was, there were some shortcomings, shortcomings GE intended to exploit to their advantage. The 45 was a thristy beast, overheating was experienced in snowsheds and tunnels, sometimes the flaired radiators would come into contact with tunnel walls, rendering a unit inoperable. GE Designed the U33C to avoid these problems. Weight, horsepower and tractive effort were the equivelent to the 45, the four cycle FDL prime mover proimised decent fuel consumption and the radiator intake was located near the walkway to draw unspoiled air when used in tunnels and snowsheds.
SP took a trial set and indeed they did well in fuel consumption, the large capacity traction motors were most appreciated and maintaince cycles were similar to the 45, however, SP had doubts as to the durability and longtivity of the prime mover, but with credit incentives equaling a 3-1 replacement value, agreed to two hundered and twelve units against the wishes of the mechanical and operating department.

The mechanical departments mis-givens were bourne out soon after they entered service, they did not take well to the Donner and Shasta route, such severe service caused pistons and cranks to fail, and oil control issues. SP could not afford surprises on these demanding grades and profiles. SP blamed GE for a defective design, GE blamed SP for improperly using the locomotives. After tempers had cooled a bit, GE agreed to study the problem, this infuraited SP to the point that it would be over a decade before another GE would be placed.

Immediently they were banished to the Sunset route, it became common for dispatchers and train crews to refuse the U33C's units if they ventured north of Sacramento. The tough shasta and Donners routes would be ruled by the products of EMD. After cycling through the shops, they perfomed within bare acceptable performance margins out of Colton, joining other members of the GE oddball fleet. Maintaince cost became excessive after only a couple of years, the prime mover issues were never fully resolved , thus they became prime targets for storage during business slowdowns , victims of being marginal performers as SP considered all GE products by the early seventies.

Very rarely would they be awakened from their slumber as the seventies rolled by, stored in Oakland at first and then moved in mass to the "Bull Ring " in Los Angeles's Taylor Yard , the units were at the mercy of vandals and the elements all but forgotten. Someone once again took notice of them in the late seventies, perhaps there was a way to make them perform using technology not availble when built and the fact that the Santa Fe had sucessfully rebuilt their fleet, in the end this idea too was abandoned as too expensive and time consuming, the units once again returned to the storage lines, As the SP struggled to maintain traffic with insufficent locomtives, the GE's were again roused from their slumber, this time they operated throughout the system, invading the Donner and Shasta routes, breaking the 30 year EMD only tradition, high failure rates forced them from even this meger revival, back into storage they went. The U33C was stricken from the SP roster along with all early U boats by the mid eighties as trade in for newer EMD products.

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 1, 2006 1:26 PM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday



PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #6

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this poster out regarding the Canadian Pacific from the 1950’s:



Canadian Pacific … by land … across Canada

Now see Canadian Pacific’s spectacular Banff-Lake Louise Route - From the Scenic Domes of the “The Canadian”

Mile-high in the Canadian Rockies, Banff Springs is famous the world over for its scenic surroundings, complete outdoor recreation facilities. Both Banff and nearby Lake Louise are on the route of “The Canadian.”

Treat yourself to the world’s longest, most spectacular Scenic Dome ride as “The Canadian” winds through the Canadian Rockies on its transcontinental route. From high in the Scenic Domes of Canada’s only stainless-steel Scenic Dome streamliner you’ll thrill to the breath-taking view of Canada’s unspoiled natural beauty. And aboard “The Canadian” you’ll find the accommodations superb, the service unexcelled. You may travel tourist or first class – coach seats reserved at no extra fare.

See your travel agent for information about “The Canadian” – in daily service throughout the year between Montreal or Toronto, and Vancouver.

Canadian Pacific
World’s Greatest Travel System


RAILWAYS – STEAMSHIPS – AIRLINES – HOTELS – COMMUNICATIONS – EXPRESS


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 1, 2006 11:46 AM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday




PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #5

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this poster out regarding the Canadian Pacific from 1886:



A Red Letter DAY

For – Canada

June 28, ‘86


… WHEN THE …

CANADIAN PACIFIC Railway

OPENS to the PACIFIC OCEAN

………. TRAIN LEAVES DAILY: ……….
Toronto, - - - - - - 5.00 p.m.
Montreal - - - - - - 8.00 “
Ottawa, - - - - - - 11.45 “
………. except Sunday ……….

OUR OWN LINE

………. FROM THE ……….
ATLANTIC to the PACIFIC

NO CUSTOMS – NO DELAYS – NO TRANSFERS –
LOW RATES – QUICK TIME

for further particulars apply to any Agent of the Company, or to
W. D. HUGHES, Traveling Passenger Agent
W. R. CALLAWAY, District Passenger Agent
………. 110 King Street West, Toronto ……….

W. C. VAN HORNE, Vice President
GEO. OLDS, Cust. Traffic Manager
D. McNICOLL, General Pass. Agent
………. MONTREAL……….


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 1, 2006 11:30 AM
Greetings!

Back again upon "discovering" two Posts that popped up immediately after mine was submitted!

Howdy Ted 'n Doug!

Doug I see you're "off the hook" [swg] - nice rebound! That's part of the reason you are MVP! <grin> Can't figure out what the other parts are . . . <grin>

Ted That Email you sent regading the Diamond Rio song really stirred something within me. I've already shipped off Emails to some folks who may be able to get things moving . . . While I usually ignore these "mass forwardings," yours truly hit the mark. Thanx! [tup] For those who haven't a clue - check out this web site and PLAY THE SONG! Then do what must be done if you share the thoughts of many on the subject . . . . http://www.ingodwestilltrust.com/ [tup]

So, who is prejudging [?] Apparently I missed that . . . I'm more concerned about the guys who will totally miss the info contained in the Kalmbach notice and wonder whether many of US would have picked up on it had I not sent Emails, etc. . . . .

Doug - That Canada Day - Dominion Day article is most interesting to digest and highly recommended . . .[tup] [tup] Oh [yeah] better recheck the Summary to find out what's "free" and what isn't! [swg]

Later! [tup]

Tom
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 1, 2006 11:17 AM
G'day!

Welcome to the All Things Canadian Day! here at the tavern by the tracks! [tup]

Good to see Doug this fine day here in mid-continent USA where the temps are rising faster than the Cardinals can give away ball games! <groan> Blue skies, bit of a breeze, but getting oh so H-O-T! [tdn] When's the next train leaving for Fairbanks [?] [swg]

Back to Doug - The MVP for May-June! [tup] So, the MVP comes through with an ENCORE but NOT in keeping with the celebratory nature of this day. A Tweetable offense [?] Hmmmmm, that would be "cold" on his first full day of MVPdom. [swg]

Interesting report from Al and for anyone out there interested in reading about the Athabasca Oil Sands in Alberta, check out this URL:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabasca_Tar_Sands

It is a very thorough, revealing and interesting report - worth reading fer sure, fer sure! [tup]

wanswheel Mike has checked in also with some creative URLs to support the events going on 'round the place. [tup] Mets are having a bit of difficulty with the AL teams too, I note. Come October, though, is when it call counts . . . .

Al- back to your comments - the one variable that cannot be depended upon are those minus 40 (F) temps you mentioned. Global warming HAS and IS making a huge difference in that part of the world as glaciers retreat and disappear, revealing green in places where white was once predominant.

Thanx for the rounds and enjoy the day! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 1, 2006 11:11 AM
Good morning again to Tom and my friends at Our Place. Looks like we get free eats today, but I'm assuming we still buy our drinks. I'll have a bottomless draught and spe=ring for a round for the house. Great CN and NAR ENCORES Tom, and that was certanily interesting news on the tar sands at Alberta Al. Thanks also to Mike for more great URL's!

You know, I just happened to look up "Canada Day", and look what I found:

We should be celebrating Dominion Day
David Menzies, National Post
Published: Friday, June 30, 2006
Ah, today is the First of July. It means a day off work. It's the unofficial start of summer. And millions celebrate with barbeques sizzling, hammocks swaying and fireworks blasting. For 24 years, July 1 has been known as Canada Day. But undoubtedly, some "old-timers" (that is to say, those Canadians who have memories stretching back to the early '80s) likely recall the original moniker for July 1: Dominion Day, a holiday officially established by statute in 1879 but now consigned to the scrapheap of political correctness.

The sneaky process that resulted in Dominion Day's assassination is certainly a story worth retelling. The deed took place in Parliament on July 9, 1982, back when the Trudeau regime was calling the shots. Purging Dominion Day from the Canadian lexicon occurred on an otherwise laidback Friday afternoon, the last day of Parliament before the summer recess. A mere 13 members were present, seven short of an official quorum.

Alas, so much for formalities: a private member's bill seeking to officially expunge "Dominion Day" and replace it with "Canada Day" was quickly rubberstamped. Faster than you could say, "fuddle duddle" more than a century of history disappeared.

The move was "consistent with what Liberal governments have been doing since [Lester] Pearson took over, which is trying to 're-brand' Canada," notes Stephen Clarkson, a University of Toronto history professor who specializes in Canadian politics and Pierre Trudeau. "I think for people like me, I'm sort of the last vestige of the British Empire, so [Dominion Day] has nostalgic qualities."

While it's hard to determine precisely how many Canadians are or were upset over the "re-branding", Clarkson does note that those most likely to take umbrage -- "white Anglo-Saxon protestants" -- were already the "minority in Canada by the early '80s."

Even so, according to the Monarchist League of Canada, "dominion" is a very proud and powerful term. After all, the preamble to the Canadian constitution -- that document so beloved by Liberals then and now -- states there shall be "one Dominion." And Monarchists note that the D-word is misunderstood: Dominion is synonymous with independence, freedom and free association -- not subservience or colonization.

Alas, a contributing factor to Dominion Day's exclusion from the Canadian holiday vocabulary is that dominion does not translate very well into French. Given that pandering to Quebec sensibilities is practically Canada's national pastime, Dominion Day was perhaps doomed for this reason alone.

How sad. After all, the genesis of Dominion Day had much to do with that very positive Canadian attribute of compromise. As noted in The Canadian Encyclopedia, Dominion "refers to Dominion of Canada (British North America Act preamble), to the federal government or Parliament, and to Canada's status in relation to the Imperial government. The fathers of confederation wanted to call the new nation the Kingdom of Canada, but the British Government, fearing the sensitivity of Americans to references to the Crown and anxious not to antagonize them after the American Civil War, insisted the Fathers find another title. Leonard Tilley suggested 'dominion': (Psalm 72). 'He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.' The Fathers said it was intended to give dignity to the federation, and as a tribute to the monarchial principle. Under the Constitution Act, 1982, 'Dominion' remains Canada's official title."

On sober second thought, no wonder Dominion Day was given the axe. After all, it's all so "B&B" (biblical and British) -- neither of which jives that well with Liberals.

Ideological agendas aside, perhaps re-branding wouldn't have been so offensive if only the replacement for the regal-sounding Dominion Day wasn't the appallingly bland Canada Day -- a "McHoliday" if ever there was one. Can anyone imagine Independence Day being replaced by USA Day? The most important American holiday would end up sounding like the name of a national newspaper -- just as our most important national holiday now sounds like a brand of ginger ale.

Even so, wouldn't it be a fitting birthday gift if the Harper Conservatives were to undo this particular example of Liberal vandalism, restoring Dominion Day to its rightful place? While changing the name (again) of our most important holiday is not high on the priority list, it would certainly be something worth celebrating. At least for those Canadians who still care about such things.

[:I] A man had been drinking at the bar for hours when he mentioned something about his girlfriend being out in the car. The bartender, concerned because it was so cold, went to check on her. When he looked inside the car, he saw the man's friend, Dave, and his girlfriend kissing one another. The bartender shook his head and walked back inside.

He told the drunk that he thought it might be a good idea to check on his girlfriend. The fellow staggered outside to the car, saw his buddy and his girlfriend kissing, then walked back into the bar laughing.

"What's so funny?" the bartender asked.

"That stupid Dave!" the fellow chortled, "He's so drunk, he thinks he's me!" [:I]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 1, 2006 11:11 AM
To Rob and BK may I take this moment to wish you a meaningful CANADA DAY! Certainly, your magnificent Country is my choice for "as good as it gets" and my "home away from home" of choice.[bow] Tom, you surely have started the day off with deserving pomp and proper protocol to our brothers to the North.[tup] I raise my glass of C.R. "on-the-rocks" to many more years of friendship between our two countries with far more in common than differences, salute! Canadian National, Northern Canadian R., Alberta Northern R. follow "in-line" with this "All Canadian Day" theme. Bandad Doug, congratulations on the M.V.P. award this Month.[tup] X google.[:D] The credit is entirely your's unconditionally and independent of bribery or mistaken identity.[^] Speaking of which, the day will never come when the importance of the contribution is ever trumped by the name of the contributor; not on my list of priorities. BTW, thanks Tom, Dave and Doug for the amplified data and pix on the gas turbine powered locomotives of the era.[^] This is another example of the willing "spirit" that U.S. Roads epitomized before time began running out for free enterprise and unincumbered business decisions.[:(] Also, the clarification of Espees disasterous management decisions shed light on more vulture like activity toward the "end" than many of us can appreciate.[:-^] S. P. wasn't alone nor did they invent corperate corruption at the highest levels.[V]

Well Pete, after reviewing your "disclaimer" for food service on provencial terms ("Pub Grub"), may I join you in ordering "mystery meat" from Boris' larder? No offence inteneded but "mushy peas, beans, chips," et al. may leave hope for redemption in the Galley after all.[swg] With my current schedule, any culinary tasks would degenerate to T.V. frozen dinners....Ralph- -Earl.[xx(] So, there are to be changes in the format hereabouts, eh?[:O] Let's not be too quick to judge until we see what the good folks at Kalmbach have in mind, "patience is prudence", no? Looks like we will be regrouping and planning during the "down time" from the July 10 thru the 12th. "Absence makes the heart grow fonder," right?

Unfortunately, there is still work on the homestead left for improving the "eye appeal" factor that needs attention. Soo, Boris "let there be sound!" Gadfrey, what was that, yodling from his Carpathian Mtns. lineage? Put a sock in it Boris and ring da bell! Happy rails all.
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Posted by wanswheel on Saturday, July 1, 2006 10:53 AM
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house, congrats to Doug, and a toast to the Dominion of Canada.

Grand Trunk steam car
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=53524081&id=49

First steam locomotive built in Canada
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Roosevelt's Special
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Niagara, St. Catharines & Toronto Railway (these can be for Rob)
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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, July 1, 2006 10:47 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a coffee and crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

Enjoyed the Canadian Northern post and especially the NAR post.

It looks to me like a couple of shortline operators are sitting on a goldmine. The Alberta Tar Sands are conservatively estimated to be from 1 to 3 trillion barrels of Oil. This is the largest known reserves in the world. When Oil was forty dollars a barrel it was not economical to retrieve this oil. Now at seventy dollars a barrel and the price probably will only go up not only is it feasible to retrieve this oil but Fort McMurray is expected to grow to 100,000 to 150,000 people in the next five years. It will be one of the fastest growing cities in the world. The railroad is the best way to bring supplies and everything else that will be need for the oil boom as the one highway between Edmonton and Fort MacMurray is nowhere near first class. Their is enough proven reserves to supply the US and Canada for the next 125 years minimum. The Saudi reserves are only a measley 150 million barrels. At the present time as these huge oil reserves develop one company has even built a runway to fly employees from Edmonton to the tar sands daily in each direction. Young men working these fields are earning incredible weekly paychecks. As this oil develops more and more it is estimated that in ten years their could be somewhere between 300,000 and 500,000 employees working in the Tar Sands. And every barrel of oil extracted from the tar puts money in the pockets of Albertan's . Congratulations BK.

The railroads will return to operating passenger trains from Edmonton as air service where temps drop to 40 below in the winter and stay their for days on end is not conducive to daily air service. The heavy equipment must be brought in by rail in pieces and assembled on site. This is one area to keep an eye on rail over the next twenty years.

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 1, 2006 9:11 AM
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Canadian Railways of the Past

Number Two: Northern Alberta Railways (NAR)




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Northern Alberta Railways

Locale: Alberta, British Columbia

Reporting marks: NAR

Dates of operation: 1929 – 1981

Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)

Headquarters: Edmonton, Alberta


The Northern Alberta Railways (AAR reporting mark: NAR) was a Canadian railway which served northern Alberta and northeastern British Columbia. Jointly owned by both Canadian National Railway and Canadian Pacific Railway, NAR existed as a separate company from 1929 until 1981.


Predecessor railways

Railway construction in northern Alberta during the early 20th century was dominated by the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway and the Canadian Northern Railway, both of which were building westward from Edmonton, AB to the Yellowhead Pass of the Rocky Mountains.

Following the Dominion Land Survey grants to settlers, the Peace River region of northwestern Alberta was one of the few places left on the prairies with available agricultural land, however there was no railway connection.
Several lines were chartered to serve both the Peace River and Waterways regions of the province, beginning with the Athabaska Railway in 1907. It was to build northeast from Edmonton to Dunvegan, AB, then to Fort George, BC.

ED&BC

The company was rechartered in 1911 under the ownership of J.D. McArthur as the Edmonton, Dunvegan and British Columbia Railway (ED&BC). Construction of the ED&BC started in 1912 heading toward Westlock, AB, reaching High Prairie in 1914, and Spirit River in 1915. Deciding not to proceed to Dunvegan, a branch was built south from Rycroft, AB to Grande Prairie, AB in 1916 (400 miles northwest from Edmonton).
In 1924 the line was extended to Wembley, AB and it reached Hythe, AB in 1928. In 1930 the line was extended westward across the provincial boundary to its western terminus at Dawson Creek, BC.

A&GW

In 1909 a charter was granted to the Alberta and Great Waterways Railway (A&GW) to build from Edmonton to Waterways, AB on the Athabasca River. Construction faltered and the line was rechartered in 1913 under the ownership of J.D. McArthur. Construction of the AG&W began in 1914 from Carbondale, AB and reached Lac La Biche, AB in 1916. It reached Draper, AB in 1922 and its terminus at Waterways, AB in 1925.

CCR

In 1913 a charter was granted to the Central Canada Railway (CCR) under the ownership of J.D. McArthur to build from Winagami Junction, AB on the ED&BC to Peace River Crossing, AB in order to access barge traffic on the Peace River. Construction of the CCR began in 1914 and was completed in 1916.

The CCR was subsequently extended to Berwyn, AB in 1921, then to Whitelaw, AB in 1924, Fairview, AB in 1928 and Hines Creek, AB in 1930.

PVR

In 1926, the provincial government passed a statute authorizing the government to construct the Pembina Valley Railway from Busby, AB, where it connected to the ED&BC line, to Barrhead, AB.

Provincial ownership

In 1920, the lines owned by J.D. McArthur entered financial difficulties following the First World War. Coinciding with the problems faced by the McArthur lines (ED&BC, A&GW, and CCR), both the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway (GTPR) and Canadian Northern Railway (CNoR) had fallen victim to similar circumstances brought about by the financial strain of the conflict and falling traffic levels. The Dominion government had nationalized the GTPR and CNoR, along with other previously federally owned lines into the Canadian National Railways.

Following the federal example, and in an attempt to preserve rail service to northern and northwestern Alberta, the provincial government leased the ED&BC and CCR in 1920 for five years. In 1921 the government entered into a five year agreement with the Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR) to operate the ED&BC and CCR. That same year, the provincial government purchased the A&GW outright and chose to operate it separately.

CPR immediately raised freight rates on the ED&BC and CCR lines, charging "mountain prices", claiming that the cost of operating on grades into the Peace and Smoky River valleys of the northwestern prairie was as much as it cost to operate in the Rocky Mountains. Consequently Peace River farmers paid the highest freight charges on the Canadian prairies to reach the lakehead at Port Arthur and Fort William.

The provincial government purchased the ED&BC and CCR from McArthur in 1925, following the expiration of the five year lease. dissatisfied with the CPR's operation of the ED&BC and CCR, the provincial government allowed the operating contract for the these railways to expire in 1926, with operations subsequently taken over by the new provincial Department of Railways and Telecommunications which was also tasked to operate the AG&W and the newly-built PVR.

In 1928, the provincial government began to solicit proposals from both the CPR and the Canadian National Railways (CNR) for purchasing the provincial railways. In 1924, CNR president Sir Henry Thornton visited the ED&BC line and in 1928, CPR president Edward Beattie did the same.

Northern Alberta Railways

In 1929 the provincial government grouped the ED&BC, CCR, AG&W, and PVR under the collective name Northern Alberta Railways (NAR), which received a federal charter on June 14. The NAR was subsequently sold to both the CNR and CPR in equal portions with both companies agreeing to maintain the NAR as a joint subsidiary. At that time, the NAR was the third-largest railway in Canada. In 1937 the NAR began to show a profit for the first time.

In summer 1942, following the entry of the United States into the Second World War, the Alaska Highway civil defence project resulted in tremendous growth for the NAR, as the system was the only railway to service Alaska Highway mile 0 at Dawson Creek.

NAR also saw increased traffic from defence spending in both the Peace River and Fort McMurray regions as Royal Canadian Air Force training bases for the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan were established.

In 1958 the Pacific Great Eastern Railway (PGE), owned by the province of British Columbia, built east to Dawson Creek, BC and then north to Fort St. John, BC. Traffic from Dawson Creek which used to run on NAR now mostly ran on PGE.

NAR completely dieselized its locomotive fleet by October 1960.

Beginning in the 1960s, Alberta's nascent oil and gas industry began to have an impact on the NAR as traffic began to increase on both the Dawson Creek and Fort McMurray branches. In 1964, the federal government built the Great Slave Railway north from the NAR at Grimshaw, AB to Hay River, NWT to carry passengers and cargo which could then be transferred to barges and continue down the Mackenzie River.

In 1966, the passenger train to Waterways was replaced by Budd Rail Diesel Cars, but the experiment was unsuccessful, and it was replaced in 1967 by a mixed train. On June 1, 1974, the passenger train to Dawson Creek was discontinued.

During the 1970s, significant investments also began in the Fort McMurray region as the Athabaskan tar sands deposits began to be exploited.

Canadian National Railway

In 1981, CN (name/acronym) change after 1960 bought out CPR's share in the NAR system and incorporated these lines into the CN network, allowing CN to operate unhindered north from Edmonton to Hay River, NWT and west to Dawson Creek, BC. NAR disappeared as a corporate entity with the departure of CPR from the joint ownership. NAR shops and Dunvegan Yards in Edmonton were demolished and the new Dunvegan Woods housing development was built on the site.

In 1996, CN identified parts of its former NAR trackage for divestiture, either through sale or abandonment. Several lines were subsequently sold to shortline operators.

• Swan Landing, AB (near Jasper) to Grand Prairie, AB (the former Alberta Resources Railway) and west to Hythe, AB (west of Grand Prairie on the NAR) is now operated by Alberta Railnet (ARN), which is owned by North American Railnet. CN has maintained ownership of the portion between Hythe, AB and Dawson Creek, BC where it connects to former BC Rail trackage. The trackage between Hythe and Dawson Creek fell into disuse in 1998, but CN agreed to re-open it as a condition of purchasing BC Rail.

• Edmonton, AB to Boyle, AB (east of Fort McMurray) was purchased in 1997 by the Lakeland and Waterways Railway (LWR), a subsidiary of Canadian shortline holding company RailLink. RailLink was subsequently purchased by RailAmerica.

• Boyle, AB to Fort McMurray, AB is now operated by Athabascan Northern Railway and is owned by shortline operator Cando Contracting.

• CN maintains ownership of former NAR trackage between Edmonton, AB and Smith, AB.

• North and west of Smith, AB, the former NAR to Peace River, AB and Grimshaw, AB, as well as all of the ex-Great Slave Railway north from Grimshaw, AB to Hay River, NWT, was purchased in 1998 by the Mackenzie Northern Railway (MKNR), a subsidiary of Canadian shortline holding company RailLink. RailLink was subsequently purchased by RailAmerica.

References

• Schneider, Ena (1989). Ribbons of Steel:The Story of the Northern Alberta Railways, Detselig Enterprises Limited, Calgary, Alberta. ISBN 0-920490-97-2.

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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 1, 2006 6:59 AM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday




Canadian Railways of the Past

Number One: Canadian Northern Railway (CNoR)



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Locale: Canada

Dates of operation: 1899 – 1918

Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)

Headquarters: Manitoba

The Canadian Northern Railway (CNoR) is a historic Canadian railway.

Manitoba beginnings

CNoR had its start in the independent branchlines that were being constructed in Manitoba in the 1880s and 1890s as a response to the monopoly exercised by Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR). Many of these branchlines were built with the sponsorship of the provincial government, which sought to subsidize local competition to the federally subsidized CPR; however, significant competition was also provided by the encroaching Northern Pacific Railway (NPR) from the south.

Two of these branchline contractors, William Mackenzie and Donald Mann, took control of the bankrupt Lake Manitoba Railway and Canal Company in January, 1896. Mackenzie and Mann expanded their enterprise in 1897 by building further north into Manitoba's Interlake district as well as east and west of Winnipeg. They also began building and buying lines south to connect the U.S. border at Pembina, North Dakota, and east to Ontario.

Connecting the Prairies to the Lakehead

The Canadian Northern Railway was established in 1899 and all railway companies owned by Mackenzie and Mann (primarily in Manitoba) were consolidated into the new entity. CNoR's first step toward competing directly with CPR came at the turn of the century with the decision to build a line linking the Prairie Provinces with Lake Superior at the harbour in Port Arthur-Fort William (modern Thunder Bay, Ontario) which would permit the shipping of western grain to European markets as well as the transport of eastern Canadian goods to the West. This line incorporated an existing CNoR line to Lake of the Woods and two local Ontario railways, the Port Arthur, Duluth and Western Railway and the Ontario and Rainy River Railway whose charters Mackenzie and Mann had acquired in 1897. To reach Port Arthur which became the lake terminus of the CNoR, the line extended south of Lake of the Woods into northern Minnesota before heading northeast through Rainy River District to the head of navigation on the Great Lakes. The Winnipeg-Port Arthur line was completed on December 30, 1901 with the last spike being driven just east of Atikokan station by Ontario's Commissioner of Crown Lands, Elihu J. Davis.

Throughout this time, Mackenzie and Mann had been busy expanding their prairie branch line network to feed the connection to Port Arthur. This network expanded in subsequent years to cover most parts of the prairies.

In 1914 the Canadian Northern Railway bought a 150 acre homestead north of Winnipeg on the shores of Lake Winnipeg. They purchased the land in order to develop a resort on Grand Beach.

Going it alone

In 1903 the federal government and Grand Trunk Railway (GTR) were seeking a 2nd transcontinental railway for Canada and approached Mackenzie and Mann to seek their co-operation. This effort was spurned and GTR and the federal government would go on to form a system composed of the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway (GTPR) and the National Transcontinental Railway (NTR).

Nationwide expansion

Mackenzie and Mann began their first significant expansion outside of the prairies with the purchase of Great Lakes steamships, railways into northern Quebec's Saguenay region and the acquisition of branchlines in southwestern Nova Scotia (the H&SW) and western Cape Breton Island. Other acquisitions were in southern Ontario and a connecting line was built from Toronto to Parry Sound.

In 1905, CNoR reached the newly formed provincial capital at Edmonton, Alberta. In 1908, a line was built east from a connection at Capreol, Ontario on the Toronto-Parry Sound line to Ottawa and on to Montreal. In 1910 a direct Toronto-Montreal line was built, as well as the start of construction on the line west of Edmonton through Yellowhead Pass to Vancouver, thanks to subsidies provided by the government of British Columbia. In 1911 federal funding was made available for completing the line from Montreal-Ottawa-Capreol-Port Arthur.

In 1912, with GTR and CPR holding the ideal southern routes around Mount Royal to downtown Montreal, CNoR started building a double-tracked mainline north by building the Mount Royal Tunnel under the mountain.

Obstacles in the Rockies

CNoR's initial expansion in the 1890s and 1900s had been relatively frugal, largely by acquiring bankrupt companies or finishing failed construction projects. By the 1910s, significant expenses were adding up from the construction north or Lake Superior and the Mount Royal Tunnel, but the largest costs were from building on "the wrong side" of the Thompson and Fraser rivers in the mountains of British Columbia. CPR already had trackage on the desirable eastern side, leading to the port of Vancouver, forcing CNoR to blast tunnels and ledges out of these canyons.

The most infamous construction folly on the CNoR in British Columbia happened in 1913 when blasting for a passage for the railway at Hells Gate triggered an enormous landslide which partially blocked the narrow swift-flowing Fraser River. The resulting damage to Pacific salmon runs took decades to reverse by the governmental construction of fishways.

In addition to difficult construction between Jasper and Vancouver, CNoR started construction west of Edmonton in 1910, fully two years later than GTPR, which had started construction east from Prince Rupert in the Skeena River, leading to Yellowhead Pass.

Bankruptcy and nationalization

The last spike of the CNoR transcontinental railway was driven January 23, 1915, at Basque, British Columbia. Freight and passenger service north of Lake Superior also started in 1915, resulting in a system between Montreal and Vancouver, with lines in Nova Scotia, Southern Ontario, Minnesota, and on Vancouver Island. Between 1915 and 1918, CNoR tried desperately to increase profits during the height of conflict in the First World War when the majority of wartime traffic was moving on CPR. The company was also saddled with ongoing construction costs associated with the Mount Royal Tunnel project.

CNoR was heavily indebted to banks and governments, and its profitable branchlines in the prairie provinces — "Canada's breadbasket" — would not generate enough revenue to cover construction costs in other areas. Unable to repay construction costs, the company requested financial aid. In exchange for funds, the federal government gained majority control of shares and CNoR was nationalized on September 6, 1918, when the directors of CNoR, including Mackenzie and Mann, resigned. The replacement board of directors appointed by the federal government forced CNoR to assume the management of federally-owned Canadian Government Railways (CGR). On December 20, 1918, a Privy Council order directed CNoR and CGR to be managed under the moniker Canadian National Railways (CNR) as a means to simplify funding and operations, although CNoR and CGR would not be formally merged and cease corporate existence until January 20, 1923, the date that CNR was formally consolidated. Legally, CNoR existed until 1956.

Remnants of CNoR today

Today, significant portions of the CNoR system survives under CN (as the CNR has been known since 1960); for example, the Mount Royal Tunnel and lines north to Saguenay, as well as most of the CN main line west from Toronto to Winnipeg, and from Yellowhead Pass southwest to Vancouver. The majority of CN's former CNoR branchline network across Canada has either been abandoned or sold to shortline operators. An important U.S. subsidiary of CNoR, the Duluth, Winnipeg and Pacific Railway forms part of a key CN connection between Chicago, Illinois and Winnipeg.

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 1, 2006 6:56 AM






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Today is Canada Day , so in honor of our northern cousins, drinks are on the house for anyone claiming Canada as home – OR anyone who has blood relatives in Canada – OR anyone who has visited Canada – OR anyone who knows where Canada IS! [swg]

Tuesday is Independence Day so in honor of our 4th of July heritage, the bar will be OPEN the gals of ”Our” Place will be working, including for Cindy.Lunch is on the house for all! [tup] [swg]



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Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)


[:I] Joe, who stuttered, was looking for a job and saw a help wanted sign in the window of a book store. He went in and asked the owner, “c c could I h h have a ch ch chance at the j j job?”
The store owner told him it probably wouldn’t work out because it was a salesman job and he would have to talk to people all day. Joe said, “p p p please g give m m me some b books and I’ll sh sh show you”. So the owner went to the back of the store and brought back a case of bibles and told Joe to try and sell them. Joe left with the bibles and came back an hour later with the money for them. The owner asked, “Joe, how did you sell all those bibles so fast?”
Joe said, “I w w went up t t to the d door and r r rang the b b bell and w when th the people
answered, I asked, d d do you w w w want to b b buy a b b bible or d d do you w w want me to r r r read it t t to you? [:I]


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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Jun 2006, 00:14:33 (367) Friday’s Info & 16-Post Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Jun 2006, 00:35:46 (367) Canada Day Reminder!

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Jun 2006, 07:29:06 (367) Something Special Notice!

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 30 Jun 2006, 08:17:03 (367) Gulf Coast Report!

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Jun 2006, 09:22:09 (367) Acknowledgment & Pix!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Jun 2006, 11:24:07 (367) Cdn Rwys of the Past - CN’s Super Continental

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Jun 2006, 14:08:29 (367) READ THIS!

(8) West Coast S Dave Posted: 30 Jun 2006, 14:53:41 (367) California Dreamin’!

(9) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 30 Jun 2006, 15:02:51 (367) Island Report!

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Jun 2006, 16:11:38 (367) MVP Award! [bow]

(11) West Coast S Dave Posted: 30 Jun 2006, 17:00:23 (367) Still dreamin’!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Jun 2006, 17:49:10 (367) Quiet, indeed!

(13) barndad Doug Posted: 30 Jun 2006, 18:35:43 (367) I accept! ‘n Big Blows ‘n Joke!

(14) pwolfe Pete Posted: 30 Jun 2006, 22:00:11 (367) Wolfden Report!

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Jun 2006, 22:18:59 (367) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments



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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 1, 2006 6:11 AM
Good morning Tom and friends. I'll have the usual two light breakfasts, and a ]red-n-white (tomato juice in milk ...shaken ...not stirred) to celebrate Canada Day. For the record ....I have been to Canada, and pretty much know where it is .... pretty much.

Looks like we got a real nice day, which I'm hoping stays that way, because I want to take the family to one of our local race tracks tonight. Gotta remember to take a camera and some blankets, as the evenings have a way of getting cold.

And now .... here is an ENCORE from page 196!

Caboose History -- Rail Classics Magazine Sept.1988

“Caboose,” a strange word for a strange railroad car that somehow survived more that a hundred years from the days of oil-burning lamps to the computer age. Origins of the car and the word are surrounded by as much legend as fact. One popular version dates the word back to the description of a ship’s galley derived from the Dutch word “kabuis.”

The use of cabooses started in the 1830s when railroads housed trainmen in boxcars or flatcars with shanties built on them. (new photo from IRM)


The addition of the cupola – a lookout post atop the car – is attributed to a conductor who discovered in 1863 that he could see his train much better if he sat atop boxes and watched through the hole in the roof of his boxcar. Cabooses served several functions. It was an office for the conductor. A “waybill” followed every car from origin to destination. The conductor kept the paperwork in the caboose.

The car also carried a brakeman and a flagman. In the days when trains did not have automatic air brakes, the engineer signaled the caboose with his whistle when he wanted to slow down or stop. The brakeman would climb out of the caboose and make his was forward on top of the cars, twisting the brake-wheels by using a stout club. A brakeman riding the engine would work his way toward the rear.

Once the train was stopped, the flagman would get off the caboose and walk back a safe distance with lanterns, flags and other warning devices to stop any approaching trains. Underway, the trainmen would sit up in the cupola and watch from smoke from overheated wheel journals, called hot-boxes, or other signs of trouble.

It was common for railroads to assign a caboose to a conductor for his exclusive use. Conductors took great pride in their cars – despite derogatory nick-names, including “crummy, doghouse, bone-breaker, snake wagon and hearse.” Conductors would decorate the interior of their cars with many touches of home, including curtains, family photos and, most importantly, ingredients for cooking meals that became a part of American folklore.

The car served as a “home away from home” for crewmen who slept in the car on trips away from their home terminals. Cabooses became a uniquely American tradition. Overseas, their use was rare or eliminated many years ago. Even in the United States, technological change began eliminating the need for cabooses before the turn of the century. The spread in the 1880s of the automatic air brake system invented by George Westinghouse eliminated the need for brakemen to manually set brakes. Air brakes were soon followed by the use of electric track circuits to activate signals, providing protection for trains and eliminating the need for flagmen.

Trains became longer, making it difficult for the conductor to see his train from the caboose. Freight cars became so high they blocked the view from the traditional cupola. Friction bearings were replaced by roller bearings, reducing the overheated journal and making visual detection by smoke unlikely. The heavy fast trains made on-board cooking hazardous and unnecessary. Cabooses were put into “pools| and not assigned to individual conductors. New labor agreements reduced hours of service and eliminated the need for cabooses for sleeping quarters as a result of lodging provided by the company.

Electronic “hotbox” and dragging equipment detectors were installed along main lines, which could check moving trains more efficiently and reliably than men in cabooses. Computers eliminated the conductor’s paperwork. Cabooses became expensive anachronisms.

The first major railroad in the United States to eliminate cabooses was the Florida East Coast Railway. Because of the technological advances and sweeping local labor changes, FEC dropped the cars in 1972. By the fall of 1982 the nation’s other major railroads and the United Transportation Union, which represents the trainmen who ride in cabooses, reached agreement on guidelines to begin eliminating the cars.

Studies by the Interstate Commerce Commission and a Presidential Emergency Board, which was appointed to settle the labor situation, concluded cabooses could be safely eliminated. The board estimated U.S. railroads would save approximately $400 million if cabooses were eliminated.

Union Pacific purchased its last cabooses in 1979 for $63,500 apiece. UP System has a fleet of about 1,500 cabooses. There are nearly 11,000 cabooses in service on all U.S. railroads. Cabooses today cost approximately $80,000. Other railroads which have begun eliminating cabooses include Conrail, Baltimore & Ohio, Norfolk Southern, Illinois Central Gulf, Seaboard System and Santa Fe.

[:I] A serious drunk walked into a bar and, after staring for some time at the only woman seated at the bar, walked over to her and kissed her. She jumped up and slapped him silly. He immediately apologized and explained, "I'm sorry. I thought you were my wife. You look exactly like her."

"Why you worthless, insufferable, wretched, no good drunk!" she screamed.

"Funny," he muttered, "you even sound exactly like her." [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, June 30, 2006 10:18 PM
Evenin' Gents!

Another nite off for Leon - he's bee a work horse 'round here and deserves a rest. [tup]

Good to see Doug 'n Pete stop by!

Not much to add to the "citation" Doug - you da man! [tup] Also, good continuing stuff on those turbines - along with cranking in the family name! [swg]

Pete we've got to somehow keep you in port for a few days! But then again, given how long you were gone, I suppose your bride does have "first dibs" on your company! <grin> And of course, the sighting of that loco does indeed "count" - but you have to be here on Canada Day to collect it! [swg]

Perhaps we need to rethink that Chief Chef opening - given what Pete had to offer <yuck>! So, any takers out there [?} Otherwise, it's Boris . . . except for Pizza nite which is my specialty . . . [tup]

Okay - that's it for me. Catch y'all in the AM. [zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by pwolfe on Friday, June 30, 2006 10:00 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and a round please. I will try one of BORIS'S steaks. I don't know that my usual diet back in the old land of chicken,chips and baked beans or fish,chips and mushy peas would go down too well as the menu at Our Place. [:)].

I have now caught up on all the posts while away and may I say what GREAT posts, links and pics there have been in the last 4 weeks [yeah][wow]. I have written a list of the highlights but it would take me so long to post it can I just say a mighty thanks to you ALL.This really is a great place with great guys as regulars and of course all thanks to TOM.

CONGRATS to DOUG on the MVP [tup][tup][tup] well deserved SIR.

I have put one film in for putting on to disc so hopefully I should have some BR photos soon. although they wont be as good as last Sundays pics, the model railway is superb, it would be great if we could see it as well as the other great exhibits at the IRM. The photos of Alaska show what a wonderful country it is I never knew that Fairbanks is nearer to Glasgow than to Dallas.
The Alaskan Tourist Board ought to send you a big check TOM for getting so many of us wanting to go there I know I would love to one day.

TED You will have to let me know more about your friends trip to the Severn Valley Railway I'm sure he will have a great time.

Happy Canada day ROB and BK. and a Happy Fourth of July to my American friends, we are going to the bride's mom and family tomorrow but when I get back I shall be able to join in as usual at the bar.

To get the free beer for Canada day TOM does seeing a steam loco named CANADA count[?] It was a Jubilee class loco the same class as shown in Tom's BR encore on page 361.She was a Crewe North loco, seeing service on the ex LMS west coast line.
To even things up I can remember seeing a Merchant Navy class 4-6-2 #35012 United States Line passing a town named Fleet (about 35 miles South-West of London) at over 90 MPH in the early 1960s.

Thanks for the info on the change to the forum hopefully it wont change things for us at Our Place.

I,ll have another Bathams and it will be a pleasure to get another round PETE.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 30, 2006 6:35 PM
Good evening Tom and friends! I'll have my usual bottlemless draught if you please, and here's a sawbuck for your effort (nod nod wink wink) What can one say when he has been elected MVP? (here's another sawbuck, for extra fast service). It is quite humbling, to be sure (here's the sawbuck I forgot to tip you yesterday). I can't figure out how it's possible to have placed ahead of the far-more-deserving patrons that frequent "Our Place." (Whoops ...ran out of cash ... will a check do?) Well, I sure didn't get the award by merit of having the best jokes. Nevertheless, this undeserving-one reluctantly and humbly accepts this high honor. Thank-You very much. [:D]

Thanks for the heads-up on the Forum change Tom. I subscribe to both Trains and Classic Trains (thanks to my loving wife). Hope that gets me something good!

I'm also guessing that getting credit for posts I didn't make, helped tilt the scales a bit too. But I want to make it up, and actually put up a turbine post of my own! (Notice how I use the name "Weber" ... to get-in the good graces of the Big-Guy .... ya'll need to learn this trick [;)])



Union Pacific “Veranda” Gas Turbine locomotive No. 65 is shown leading an eastbound “reefer” block of California produce at Peterson, Utah, on the center passing track along the Weber River. Weber Canyon and Devil’s Gate are in the background.

In 1948, Alco-GE produced America’s first attempt at a revolutionary locomotive, the gas turbine. After shakedown runs on the Nickel Plate and the Pennsylvania, test locomotive No. 101 came to the UP for extensive evaluation. Numbered UP 50, the unit ran in tests for nearly a year and a half in every type of service, over the entire railroad.

In March, 1951, ten gas turbines were ordered built specifically for the UP, embodying the lessons learned from data on the test unit. Numbered 51-60, the first arrived at Council Bluffs on January 28, 1952. All were immediately places in the Cheyenne-Ogden pool.

Their impressive results in service prompted UP President A.E. Stoddard to announce that 15 more turbines were to be ordered from General Electric. Numbered 61-75, this second series had a side walkway or “veranda” and were equipped with 18,000 or 24,000-gallon fuel tenders rebuilt from steam locomotive tenders.

Experience gained from these 25 turbines of 4,500 hp led to the ordering of thirty 8,500 hp “Big Blows”, the largest locomotives in the world. No. 1 arrived August 31, 1958, and the last, No. 30, arrived June 27, 1961. With the coming of the big turbines, the smaller ones were all retired by 1964. The last of the big turbines was retired in February, 1970. The R&LHS Golden Spike Chapter has saved one of these “Big Blows,” and it’s on display at their museum next to the UP’s Ogden, Utah depot. UP Railroad photo.

[:I] An extraordinarily handsome man decided he had the responsibility to marry the perfect woman so they could produce beautiful children beyond compare. With that as his mission he began searching for the perfect woman.
Shortly there after he met a farmer who had three stunning, gorgeous daughters that positively took his breath away. So he explained his mission to the farmer, asking for permission to marry one of them.
The farmer simply replied, "They're lookin' to get married, so you came to the right place. Look 'em over and pick the one you want."
The man dated the first daughter. The next day the farmer asked for the man's opinion.
"Well," said the man, "she's just a weeeeee bit, not that you can hardly notice...pigeon-toed."
The farmer nodded and suggested the man date one of the other girls;so the man went out with the second daughter.
The next day, the farmer again asked how things went.
"Well,"the man replied, "she's just a weeeee bit, not you can hardly tell...cross-eyed."
The farmer nodded and suggested he date the third girl to see if things might be better. So he did. The next morning the man rushed in exclaiming,
"She's perfect, just perfect. She's the one I want to marry."
So they were wed right away. Months later the baby was born. When the man visited the nursery he was horrified: the baby was the ugliest, most pathetic human you can imagine. He rushed to his father-in-law asking how such a thing could happen considering the beauty of the parents.
"Well," explained the farmer, "she was just a weeeee bit, not that you could hardly tell... pregnant when you met her." [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, June 30, 2006 5:49 PM
G'day!

So, let's see - West Coast S Dave drops by for two visits - doesn't see me first hand and decuces I'm quiet today! Hmmmmmmm - there have been a total of 12 Posts thus far (counting this one) and I've put up 8 of 'em! Quiet, indeed! [sigh]

The important thing is not that you've missed my Posts - but that perhaps you haven't picked up on the READ THIS up on this Page . . .

Ahhhh, cars . . . Chrysler muscle cars bring back some memories - back before "Hemi" was an "in" word and back when Chrysler manufactured some mean machines. I never was truly "into" muscle cars - but did have a great Silver Hawk made by Studebaker - 1957 version - and it was quite the car. Long story about that car for another time 'n place - perhaps the Rendezvous in St. Louis.

Appreciate seeing you stop by for your afternoon time slot Lars and don't worry about skipping a day or three - we'll be here.

Thanx for the rounds . . . [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by West Coast S on Friday, June 30, 2006 5:00 PM
Some acknowledgements are in order...Howdy once more Tom,, a round of Johnny Walker Black if you would..


[:D][:D] A hearty congradulation to our esteemed MVP Doug, a well deserved selection[:D][:D]

Lovedomes, yep, that was me in the Porsche, just out for test spin, i'm more a 1958 Chrysler 300D convertible with the 392 Cross Ram Hemi type, nothing like four tons of American engineering cutting a swath through all the foreign junk on the roads today....Of course to actually own one would require me to plunk down over 225K for a decent speciman[:(] Government Pay, shucks I made more in the private sector, I serve my country for the sheer pleasure free from any personal gain...And if you believe that, have I got a deal for you....

I see Tom is reasonably quiet today, what could he possibly be up to, perhaps he had to drive Boris to obedience class???
Apology due, must not wear my glasses backwards, I attributed a response as being Doug when I should have acknowledged Ted, although Doug as our MVP and a great fellow overall is fully invited to partake in my most grevious oversight...[:p][:p][:p]

Well duty calls once more, so I must depart for yonder pastures...

Dave[8D]
SP the way it was in S scale

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