Until the next time!
Lars
Good moring all,
Trollyboy,barndad- I feel much better this morning ,Thanks
Tom- I kinda expected that about PC, but what about Early Amtrk?
P
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
Lot's of interesting posts and many thanks to all.
One comment on the set of NYC E7s along the Hudson River. The stripes on the locomotives are an interesting variant of NYC diesel paint. IIRC, they are the as-delivered scheme for the E7s. Anyway, thanks for the post.
Here's some more 1942-era PRR passenger material. This is a summary of morning eastbounds to New York from Chicago. This is a little less complicated than some NYC operations we have talked about, but there is some interline Pullman service which may be new to some of you.
Chicago – East Service – Morning Departures (Summary)
No.
Train
Depart
Arrive
52
“New Yorker”
9:30 a.m.
6:35 a.m.
Chicago-New York sleeping cars: 12 section/drawing room (more than one);
diner lounge (Chicago-Pittsburgh)
22
“Manhattan Limited”
11:30 a.m.
7:20 a.m.
Chicago-New York sleeping cars: Compartment/ drawing room buffet; 12 section/ drawing room; 10 section/3 double bedroom
Chicago-Washington sleeping car: 12 section/ drawing room ( to train 50 at Pittsburgh)
Pittsburgh-Scranton sleeping car: 12 section/ drawing room – to DL&W at Sunbury
Diner: Chicago-Pittsburgh;
Coach: Chicago-New York
22-50
“Manhattan Limited/ Statesman”
7:40 a.m. (Washington)
Pittsburgh-Washington sleeping cars: 6 double bedroom/buffet lounge;
8 section/5 double bedrooms; 12 section/drawing room
Coaches: Pittsburgh- Washington
Trains 22 and 50 ran together until reaching Pittsburgh at 9:30 p.m. Train 50 departed Pittsburgh at 10:55 p.m. arriving in Washington at 7:40 the next morning.
22-36
“Manhattan Limited/ Philadelphia Express
7:10 a.m. (Phila.)
Pittsburgh-Philadelphia sleeping cars: 10 section/buffet;
12 duplex rooms/5 double bedrooms; 10 roomette/ 5 double bedrooms
Pittsburgh-Atlantic City sleeping car: 10 sections/2 compartments/drawing room
Coaches: Pittsburgh- Philadelphia
Trains 22 and 36 ran together until arriving at Pittsburgh at 9:30 p.m. Train 22 departed Pittsburgh for New York at 10:00 p.m. and train 36 departed Pittsburgh for Philadelphia at 11:35 p.m.
work safe
Morning Ruthy,I think one light breafast a number 3 and the usual thermos of coffee please.Nice to see a couple new posts first thing this morning seems as though things are starting to flow normally again ( as normal as we get anyway )
Eric -Thanks for the good by stop by , hope that you have a wunnerfull trip , I'm sure that a speak for everyone when I say we are looking forward to the photo's of your trip.Hopefully you have your answer from Kalmbach waiting for you when you arrive back home.
Doug -Yes narrow guage C&NW pix would be an interesting treat, oh and the joke was a two groaner.A false PE story you say, well that will never do. Do you want us to get the good inspector to look into it for you LOL
Well shortly I'm off to meet up with Heaher's dad. We're going down to London ( Port Stanley actually ) to ride on the Port Stanley Terminal RR, the musuem excursion train that rides on what's left of the London and Port Stanley radial line.
See everyone this evening again.
Rob
Good morning Tom and gents. I’ll have a light breakfast while I wait for a bit of sunlight to show itself. The sun is definitely coming up later these days, and retiring earlier. Local merchants have been putting out the Halloween decorations for weeks now. Glad you liked the French loco Rob. I had not seen it before. Thanks for another great Classic Juice. God to see Dave here again too. I almost had a Pacific Electric story for you Dave, but it turned out to be fiction, and I don’t mess with those. That joke of yours … well … who am I to comment on such things? GREAT TO SEE P !!!!!!!!!!!!! How’s the headache? Hello again to Eric. Wouldn’t mind seeing your Chicago and Northwestern narrow gage pic. And now, I must run .. but not before ….
Mrs. Johnson decided to have her portrait painted by a famous artist. She told the artist, "Paint me with diamond earrings, a diamond necklace, emerald bracelets and a ruby pendant.""But you are not wearing any of those things.""I know," said Mrs. Johnson. "My health is not good and my husband is having an affair with his secretary. When I die I'm sure he will marry her, and I want her to go nuts looking for the jewelry."
Hey guys , just back with a thought. I had mentioned earlier about next weeks Tuesday theme railway might be something out Doug's way. So I figured that a good one ( definatly a classic that's now been devoured by UP ) Would be the Chicago and Northwestern. I figure that it's a railroad with a bit for everybody. Coal , passenger trains interesting steam and diesel locomotives, oh and it was really really frugal railway as well, some would say downright tight to the point of squeeking.I think it should make good reading. some over the weekend homework. Remember Boris will be marking the submissions ,which should make it an easy pass for everyone that participates. So a C&NW Tuesday.
See everyone tomorrow
CLASSIC JUICE # 31 THE LOST ELECTRICS OF SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO PT # 1
THE BACKGROUND
They came by the thousands during those late summer days in 1884. What they waited to see was North America's first electric streetcar.here in Toronto at the Toronto Agricultrual Fair , the precursor to today's Canadain National Exhibition ( The CNE or the Ex as it's generally refered to ) they gasped as an electrically powered engine rattled along a set of tracks with three open passenger cars in tow, each jammed with awestruck adventurers. Following an age of stage coaches and steam locomotives , the electric street railway was the newest thing to revolutionize travel.
For the first summer's exhibition power was carried to the locomotive via a copper strip emebedded in the track. The following year the more familiar overhead wires made their appearance.Beacause railways could not provide local neighbourhood service and the slow jolting horsedrawn coaches were slow , the electric streetcar craze spread quickly. By 1900 Ontario had 205KM ( 128 miles ) of line , by 1910, 553KM.
Those emeinating from out of Toronto could claim 219KM (137miles) of track, Hamilton had the most lines with 4 separate one's although the combined trackage totaled only 125KM (78 miles ). The Grand River area could claim 142KM ( 89 miles ), The Niagara Area 118KM (74 miles ),while Southwestern Ontario bosted the second most extensive electric network with 150KM (94 miles).
More than 87 electric railways were propsed across Ontario. Most were never built.One of the most enthusiastic propnents was not a commercial operator, but rather the first Chairman of the Ontario Hydro Electric Commission Adam Beck ( later knighted for his work in government and railway development ).With a massive source of electric power at his dissposal ( Niagara Falls power generating stations now known as the Sir Adam Beck Plants 1 and 2 )he proposed electric railway networks which would link Toronto with Sarnia, Port Perry and Fort Erie. Indeed , were it not for two small gaps in Ontario's radial network, one of 17 and a half KM ( 11 miles ) west of Port Credit, and another of 11KM (7 miles ) between Vineland and St Catharines this province would have had a radial railway network which would have extended from Toronto to Guelph into New York State and from there links to the Midwestern Interurban systems to Chicago !
By the 1920's the auto age was starting and the gasoline and tire manufacturers were agressivly lobbying for te end to public funding of the electric railway industry.In 1923 the government of E.C. Drury was elected and refused the loan guarrantee's iof the early government which eneded Beck's radial system dreams. Electric railways, dwindled from nearly 1280KM ( 800 miles ) of trackage at their peak in 1920 to less than half of that two decades later.When the last radila car pulled into st Catharines downtown terminal in 1959 , 387KM ( 242 miles) of electric radial trackage still operated, but all was devoted to freight service only.
THE WINDSOR ESSEX & LAKESHORE RAPID RAILWAY
Known as the "Sunshine County Route ", the purpose of this line accorss Essex County was to tap into the booming rural growth in Southwestern Ontario's most populous county.Although incorporated as early as 1879, it's charter was not acted on until 1901. It's provisions envisioned extentions as far as Wheatly and Tilbury.
During construction, the WELR came up against the Michigan Central which stubbornly refused the electric line permission to cross it's own mainline in Essex, a stand off eventually resolved by the Board Of Railway Commissioners, the federal gov railway watchdog.Finnally in sept of 1907 the electric cars began operating between Windsor and Essex.Shortly afterward Kingsville and by april of 1908 into Leamington.This was as far as they got. The extensions to Wheatly and Tilbury remained paper dreams only. In 1919 the Hydro Electric Commission became involved in the operations of electric railways accorss Ontario ( Adam Beck was now the President as well as a Liberal MPP )
The WELR did carry a small amount of frieght traffic as well, mainly from the canneries in Leamington, connecting with the CPR,The Michigan Central, the Essex Terminal,and the Pere Marquette.After operating quite profittably for a number of years, the WELR reached it's peak with 1 million passengers in 1921. But the inevitable bus competition appeared in the 1920's, and to compete the WELR began operating buses of it's own.Still by 1928 passenger traffic had dropped by two thirds.
In 1928 the HEPC did the unthinkable. Flaunting the looming auto age, and falling profits,HEPC began to upgrade the electric infrastructure, and placed orders for new cars.In 1930 they began to make plans for a new Windsor terminal aquiring the lands.The new terminal would serve both the electric lines and the fledgling bus company.It was never built.
The new cars were indeed the latest in luxury. With the words "Sunshine County Route"boldly painted on the carsides, they containes smoking compartments with leather settees, a main compartment with 28 uplostered seats and a 15 foot solarium at each end of the car,as well as being heated electrically ( the old cars had coal stoves )
All the new equipment in the world could not compete with the auto age, espeacially once the depression hit. By 1930 the WELR was loosing $150,000 a year, an amount unacceptable to the many little municipaliteis along the line that paid for the privalige. In sept 1932 the line was shut down, and within three yeasr all the tracks had been lifted.
Good evening Leon , I see that the lights are still on and a few more regulars have stumbled in. Good deal Just a round of Keith's if you would be so kind sir. let me first say that "Holy Cod" certainly lived upto it's expectations , the fish was at least as good as The St George Arm's ( certainly better than H & H's ) whoops he ducks a bottle flung from the kitchen
Dave - Good to see you tonight ( afternoon for you ) sorry to hear that the left coast is still having computational difficulties . good luck on tracking down the info your seeking on that electric railine and junction. If it's like some of the abandonned electric rr's around me , time and urban sprawl all but obliterate what once was and makes the tracing that much more different. definatly keep us posted.Oh you scored at least a 3 out of 6 on the groanameter for that joke Boris liked it though !
P-Sorry about your head , I'll try to type softer this evening still glad you were able to pop by and enjoy the NYC stuff, who knows PC may get it's chance in the upcomming weeks as well, stay posted.
Leon everyone's glasses are empty again "nuther" round on me if you would be so kind
Hi guys, Ruth can I have a cup of coffee and two advils please. Went out the bar last night with a friend of mine and drank about 10 beers too many and my head is killing me.
Anyway good work on the N.Y.C. guys the pictures are great. I just wish you wouldnt type so loud.
Good evening Leon , I'll have a Keith's oh and one of H&H's side orders of calamari to go along with it.Been a tad slow today, but it's still heartening to see most of the gang plugging along, we seem to be an evening thread today.
Mike-Nice shots of lake Nippissing , the sunsets are beautifull up there , I'd move there in an instant , unfortunatly my work is not there quite yet . The sunsets from the City's cruise ship Chief Commanda II is something to behold as well.
Doug -The house looks like it's comming along nicley, I think you guys will be happy once your moved in. today's joke I'd have to say is one of the better ones, It made Heather laugh anyway Interesting shots of that old French steamer , amazing the longevity , they don't build them like that anymore fer sure fer sure.
Lar's-I have to say that I never get tired of looking at photo's of first generation deisels, espeacilly ones dressed up in an nice classic paint scheme like the NYC's lightening stripes.The fact that you had an Alco to boot is nirvana for an Alcophile like myself. The E unit was okay too ( sorry Tom )
Pete-Great to hear about those proposed steam and electric preservation attempts outside of London, always nice to hear about things like that. Surley there would be clauses in the health and saftey regulations that would allow the operation of histroic equipment. i know thta here in Ontario we have very strict workplace health and saftey laws, but museum's are given different rules of engagement ( ie the equipment at least so far is grandfathered to allow it to still be used )
Tom-Hey nice to see you again this morning as well. walther's has indeed done a nice job on those trains,the prise tags a bit much, but like you said if a CPR one comes down the pike it would be hard for me to say no to. My Bluebirds I think are just about done as well, they keep taking three steps forward and five backward, makes it a bit tough.Bring on hockey season ! ( likley I will be saying bring on baseball season in january LOL )
Well I have to run for now, i'm taking Heather and her mom and ada out to a new Fish and Chip joint in Burlington, believe it or not it's called "Holy Cod "everyone says the foods great so we shall see.See everyone later.
Good evening Leon and friends. I’ll have the usual bottomless draught, and buy the next round. Got some Michigan quarters for some tunes too, and as Tom remembered, I’ve been extra busy between leaving the house before 5AM to get my wife to work, then going to work myself, then pulling much paint duty at the condo. We went from blue, to eggshell in just three coats! I’ll probably be needing to do the ceilings as well, but that can wait! Newsflash! Here’s our new home as it looked at the end of yesterday
Here’s the view from inside the loft
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/Barndad/Picture597.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/Barndad/Picture590.jpg
We got a nice rain storm this AM, so there was no construction today. I did get to see lightning take out a telephone pole transformer though. It shot sparks for 50 feet!
Anyhow, on to the subject of trains and the excellent material that has become a standard of this thread. Most impressive posts from Tom, Lars, CM3, Rob, Mike, BK and Pete. Just goes to show that missing one guy (me) does not make a lot of difference. Hats off to you gentlemen for an outstanding theme day! Loved the NYC toy train pix, Tom. Sure wish they were mine. Mike, I believe you got all the pix of the doodlebugs I put in my photobucket. I’m sure you noticed that there only of 2 of the 3 cars that ran on the Woodstock and Sycamore. Pity that none were saved. Now, here’s more info from the Information Booth (May 1955 Railroad Magazine)
Q- What is the world’s highest point reached by a railroad?
A – The meter-gage Antofagasta & Bolivia line at Mont, Chile, 15,817 feet above sea level.
Q - Describe the new type of flatcar built to carry such large and heavy loads as turbine generators.
A – These cars were designed jointly by General Electric and the Pennsylvania Railroad. More than 92 feet long, each has a capacity of 500,000 pounds. The loading platform is 30 feet long. The steam-turbine generators shipped on these cars are part of a series of 200,000kilowatt equipment scheduled for delivery to a new powerhouse for the Atomic Energy Commission.
Q – How many gas-turbine locomotives are in service?
A – General Electric announced the manufacture of its 100th combustion gasoline turbine unit last December, but only 27 of these are used for locomotives. Because of the adaptability of the gas-turbine to meet power demands of rapidly expanding industry, GE feels that more and more of them will be used not only for motive power but for other purposes as well, many of them to complement steam-turbines.
One of the world’s oldest locomotives is service was No. 1 of the Tangier-Fez Railway in North Africa. Built in France around 1860 and retired in 1953, the switcher is shown here at Fez, Morocco.
Hope you enjoyed my humble offering. Hope to be back again early AM!
A farmer who's been involved in a terrible road accident with a large truck ended up in court fighting for a big compensation claim. "I understand you're claiming damages for the injuries you're supposed to have suffered?" Stated the counsel for the insurance company. "Yes, that's right," replied the farmer, nodding his head. "You claim you were injured in the accident, yet I have a signed police statement that says that when the attending police officer asked you how you were feeling, you replied, 'I've never felt better in my life.' Is that the case?" "Yeah, but…" stammered the farmer. "A simple yes or not will suffice," counsel interrupted quickly. "Yes," Replied the farmer. Then it was the turn of the farmer's counsel to ask him questions. "Please tell the court the exact circumstance of events following the accident when you made your statement of health," his lawyer said. "Certainly," replied the farmer. "After the accident my horse was thrashing around with a broken leg and my poor old dog was howling in pain. This cop comes along, takes one look at my horse and shoots him dead. "Then he goes over to my dog, looks at him and shoots him dead too. Then he come straight over to me and asked me how I was feeling. "Now, mate, what would you have said to him?"
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of the usual RUTH and some of the Fish 'N' Chips cooked by H &H's fair hands later please..
Good Encore by ROB to end the NYC day and great details from CM3 on MIKE's links around Boston.
MIKE in the 2nd photo of yesterdays links of the NYC diesels by the lake, is that structure in the background by the signal box a footbridge do you know.Pedestrian bridges are very common features on the railways of Britain, even in rural areas, but seem to be very rare in the US or of course I may be wrong. Great photo of the O.N. loco and model and thanks for the Lake Nipissing sunset photo, which no doubt ROB will like.
LARS Glad you enjoyed the Baseball game, I thought the Cards would win that one until Carlos Beltron got the homer, A former Royal as the bride keeps telling me.
TOM Many thanks for the Advanced Search info and the pics of the NYC model cars. Have you noticed that the pics on the forum do not enlarge as much as they used to when clicked on, or is it just me.
I see in the paper the St Louis Metro was in trouble the other night when a piece of equipment came off the roof of a unit and some passengers were hurt.
On a brighter note I read in a steam magazine they are hoping to open a standard gauge steam railway in the east end of London UK. They are hoping to use about 2 miles of the North London Line near North Woolich, which will be abandoned after the service is taken over by the Docklands Light Railway( another light rail success story), the NLL services will terminate at Stratford.
The North London Line runs from Richmond, in south London, round the north of the city center to North Woolich, on the north bank of the River Thames opposite Woolich Aresnal with the Woolich free ferry runing between the two.The line was electrified on the 3rd rail 750 Volt system in 1985. When I first travelled the eastern end of the line it was useing fairly old slam door 2- Car Southern Region suburban units. the line nowadays uses the dual-voltage class 313 3-car units. It is hoped that the third rail electric can be kept so that presrved electric units can be run on the preserved section, although with the Health and Safety regulations I can see a problem.
There is already a museum at the old, former Great Eastern Railway station at North Woolich and if they can get to run steam locos it should be very successful.
Another Bathams RUTH and a round . Pete.
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house
Eric, have a good trip, don't forget your camera. Summer light at the latitude of Stockholm plus the longitudinal time change should do wonders for the night-owl of Arizona.
Doug, a few days ago you sought clarification of a question. I merely meant how many McKeen cars had you stashed in your photobucket. I counted 11, and then put the url to the San Diego pic to make it an even dozen. Hurry back, will ya, we need some Darnbad jokes. Not.
Dave, could it be you're missing Barndad's Roundhouse, and your role there as the Indispensable Man. You're indispensible here, too. I'm looking forward to reading a new tutorial on the Southern Pacific, hopefully soon.
Nick, of course you're not reading this, but just for the record, there's links to pics of an ONR loco in H-O guage in my previous post. Colorful sunset up there, reminiscent of the paint scheme.
Tom, can we talk about the New York Central some more? Railroadwise, I like the distant past.
Mike
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.
Thought Jose Reyes was limber until Ozzie Smith visited the Mets' broadcast booth, they showed old videotape of base-hit prevention and backflips.
CM3, expert commentary made my day, thanks a lot! Buffalo has a skyscraper at the station, as does Cleveland, and LaSalle St. Ceres, the Goddess of Wheat, has a great view from up there.
Gotta do one more by Otto Perry, the Century on 9/23/30
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00013583+OP-13583
Actually the best NYC picture I've seen lately is Doug's 2 Pacemakers, although Pete's link contained a link to something pretty darn good
http://www.nycshs.org/nycshs2.jpg
H-O scale (Clair Downs photos)
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-o/onr-m2105bcd.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-o/onr-m2105ccd.jpg
North Bay, Ontario July '99 (James Lalande photo)
http://onr.stabler.org/images/locomotive/onr2105a.jpg
Nipissing Sunset
http://www.city.north-bay.on.ca/gallery/graphics/Sunset1CL.jpg
p.s. Thanks Rob
Good evening gentlemen,Leon I think a nice frosty mug of Keith's would do well right about now.It has been a tad spare today, but hey we're still here and still on the tracks so that's all that's important.
CM3- Nice rundown indeed on the urls Mike dropped on us yesterday. I've said it before I don't know where we would be without Mike our crack researcheon the case.I'm glad that you liked the FM's. I've always had a soft spot for them , I've never personally seen one run but I guess I always's liked the underdog ( not the cartoon character )Keeping with our model theme today It's nice to see that between Atlas and Proto/Walther's an absolute pile of FM models have come out recently,I recently aquired one of Atlas's new run of Trainmasters, couldn't rsist the CNR green and yellow on a model of CN's one and only 6 axle Trainmaster
TOM-Nice shots of those Challenger models, they do look tempting don't they. A Prote A-B-A of FA's or a set of Proto Erie Builts would look wunnerfull at the head end of that consist.I'm sure you noticed or maybe not, but Walther's is bringing out their second "historic" great train set out later on this year. This being the Great Northern Empire Builder, last year they did the ATSF Super Chief. I wonder if they will get around to doing an acurate 20thg Century Limited or Even better a CPR set of The Canadian , something else for us to spend our money on eh ?
LARS-i'm glad you made it back in bleury eyed or not,nice to have a quieter day here once in a while, we can get to know the girls better
Well folks I'm gonna wonder around a spell, I'll likely check back in later this evening if not then tomorrow fer sure fer sure.
G’day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!
A sight for sore eyes you are, Ruth our magnificent redhead! Now, if only I wasn’t so blasted old – I’d chase you ‘round the place a time or two! How ‘bout a round for the house and a frosty mug of Keiths for me if you please. Ring the bell, Boris!
Well Captain Tom, it wasn’t a good night for the boyz from St. Loo, however, the boyz from over by Laguardia did themselves proud with that finish. You ARE correct in your assessment though – Cards nearly did pull it off with only one star player coming through – “El Hombre” himself with 7 RBIs is the heart ‘n soul of your team. He’s quite the player. For me it was a great night out with my sons and has taken me nearly all of this day to recoup from it! <grin> The “old man” can’t handle it anymore – really, a night like that takes me to the land of Oz in no time flat once the sun comes up next mornin’ – ain’t it awful getting old
So, what do we have on today’s plate Nice post from CM3 and a couple from our Proprietor to pretty much sum it all up. Rob provided us with two nite-caps and that’s been it. Well, I figured we’d have periods like this and it’s nothing to be concerned about. Just as long as “our guys” recognize that when online, stop by the bar and “say something” – that really is all any of us can do to keep our thread “up ‘n running”!
Really enjoyed that dissertation from CM3 Shane on the URLs from our sole provider – Mike. Found his comments most interesting and agree with Captain Tom, there always does seem to be a little something or other for all of us at this fine establishment. I’ll take Ruth! <grin>
Good looking consist of smoothsides in the NYC livery of the 20th Century Ltd from Captain Tom! So, the ‘spirit’ of Model ‘n Toy Trains Day! lives on, huh Nice going!
For anyone interested, we were seated on the 1st base side of the field last night – field boxes with a great view of the plays. Didn’t know (or care) that former Prez Clinton was in attendance – like who gives a Rat’s Patoot Heard he is a Cards fan anyway! My sons always seem to come up with the greatest seats – but then they do their “shopping” way before opening day – so I never really know when these ‘suprises’ are going to be sprung on me. It was a nice treat and my headache along with some foggy memories tell me I must have had a good time! Glad I didn’t drive! <grin> We have a built in “designated driver” in the family and he gets exploited regularly with our bunch!
Enjoy the remainder of this mid-week day one ‘n all and hope to see things pick up a bit tomorrow.
G'day (again) Gents!
A 2nd visit from me today - no, I'm not checking up on you Ruth - just checkin' you out! Anyway, thought I'd drop off a little something for our Wednesday bill o' fare for anyone interested in Toy 'n Model Trains . . . .
Continuing with the New York Central, check these out!
You may want to check these out at: http://www.uncledavesbrass.com/CIL-1938.HTML for a better view.
These models are in HO scale and are from Challenger - undoubtedly fine quality, but my guess is they are very expensive. Oh yeah, interiors are detailed as well. Would surely make a fine consist behind some ALCO PAs or EMD E8s in the lightning bolt livery. Ummmmmmm.
Enjoyed the Post from CM3 this day, very nice rundown on the URLs provided by our resident URLMeisterMonsterMike. Looks like he flicked your switch - big time - with those, eh One of the benefits of hanging 'round the tavern by the tracks - always a little something for everyone's appetite!
Just returned from a few errands and topped off the tank at $2.75 (rounded) - up from $2.65 yesterday! What's new <groan>
Boris, ring the ding for a round on Da Boss!
See y'all in the 'morrow . . . .
Tom
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; Coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Lovely late summer day here today. The "huns" went back to school today, so it got very quiet at home. Then did dr. stuff this a.m. - I'm still qualified for duty so that's good. Gas is $2.89 (was $3.15 last week).
A few comments.
Tom: Thanks for the kind words re the Sox. The mess continued last night in L.A. The most telling line in the boxscore was that they were 1 for 11 with runners in scoring position. Silent bats undo good pitching every time. You know I'm a Cardinals fan as well. Watched the NY-St.L game on TV last night. Playing off my previous line, bad starting pitching and a flammable bullpen wastes quality hitting every time as well. The Cards lineup last night was not exactly their usual starters for certain.
Lars and BK: Interesting NYC material yesterday. Most of the books pictured reside in the NYC wing at home. I try and sort the collection out by region. So we have NYC, PLE, PRR, Erie, and NKP grouped together. Makes it a little easier to find material when I need it.
BTW, I don't usually shill for books, but you folks might be interested in Morning Sun's book, Trackside Buffalo.
Mike had some neat url postings which I thoroughly enjoyed.
The picture at LaSalle St. was a good one as it shows a mix of hw and lw equipment along with what appears to be an L-class Mohawk with elephant ears. People talk a lot about the Hudsons and Niagaras, but the Mohawks were right up there with them, IMHO.
The picture of 5263 in Buffalo deserves a closer look; not only for the architeture at Buffalo Central Terminal, but also for the serif lettering on the tender.
The F unit shot at Dickinson was a nice one. Not too far from home, as well. The Central In West Virginia was a tangled web of lines going back to the days of the T&OC and the K&M (Toledo and Ohio Central, Kanawha and Michigan). Let's not forget the NF&G (Nicholas, Fayette and Greenbrier) which was a joint NYC/C&O operation. The Fs could have been used either on the NF&G or on the T&OC. A friend told me also of seeing them on the VGN a few times through Mullens when there was what the locals call a "service disruption."
Dickinson is hard by the north side Kanawha River and is an active yard today. It belongs to the NS. BTW, the old VGN crosses the main line of the C&O and the river on a high bridge just a little east of where the picture was taken.
The 6200s were pigs. I remember them on the B&A as shown in the photo taken at South Station. If you entered the headhouse at South Station and faced toward the tracks, the B&A operations were on the right side, and the New Haven was on the left. There was an outrageous amopunt of commuter traffic in and out of South Station; still quite a bit now and growing as previously abandoned lined (hold me back, Boris!) are restored to service. IIRC, and I don't have my materials here, the Limas were banished to the Harlem Divisiion, but don't hold me to that.
Last, the RDC, aka Beeliner, was a good picture as well. Back in the long ago, my paternal grandfather worked in Palmer, so again that's a familiar area. The train in the picture could have been an Albany-Boston run or a Springfield-Boston run. Also check out the SP dd boxcar in the background.
Last to Rob: Thanks so nuch for the FM material. That brought back a few memories as well, although the big player for FM power in the Boston area was the New Haven.
If I left anybody out, my apologies.
Now I will get busy getting my paper bag(s) ready for the next round of Sox/Cardinals follies.
Work safe
G"day Gents!
A blue sky morning once again here in mid-continent USA - temps are hovering at 68 (F) but expected to get into the low 90s today through Friday. Good day to get some lawn work done - and there's always lots of that to attend to! <groan>
Nice to see Ruth in all of her red-splendor working behind the bar this fine day! For those who may not have caught it - she will be our bartender for the remainder of the week, including Saturday, with Leon the Night Man coming in at 5 PM.
Double <groan> from those of us in this area who are Cardinals fans. They found a way to blow a 7-1 lead over the Mets last night and lost it in the 9th to a walk-off home run. And to think, we nearly beat the vaunted Mets with only one cylinder perking. Have to hand it to the New Yorkers though, they have a thoroughly balanced team and it shows. Quite a potent line up - a far, far cry from the Casey Stengel years that I recall. Used to live 'n die with those guys . . but here we are in 2006, and my Cardinals are trying their level best to relinquish 1st place in the Central Division. Seems to be working. <groan>
Very nice spate of NYC info from yesterday with just about everyone pitching in. Good job, Gents! Tuesdays were our "Railroads from Yesteryear" days - with the "theme" being whatever road was featured - in case anyone has forgotten the origin. What was particularly rewarding with yesterday's output is the originality of it all. Only one Encore - and that was appropriately at the very end of the day. I think there are one or two in the "tank" from my "Railroads from Yesteryear" series that haven't been Posted. There's no rush . . .
Pete - I think there's an unanswered question floating around in cyber space that you asked awhile ago. Regarding the advanced search option - yes - it does exist. It works like this: BEFORE you check into our Thread - when you are still on the General Discussion page of the Forum - you will see two "buttons" immediately beneath the "General Discussion" title on the page. One says "Post" and the other "Search." Click on "Search" - then click AGAIN on "Search" that shows up to the right of the "block." That will get you to the advanced feature.
We will miss having you aboard for a few days, BK, but are heartened knowing that you will be returning! By the by, what type of an aircraft do you have I would think that in your part of the continent, flying IS the way to get around, although my guess is air strips may be far 'n few between. Anyway, you (and Lydia!) made a nice choice for your "theme" submission and it surely blended well with the rest of the "stuff."
Lars, you hit it on the head regarding the importance of the series between my Cards and your Mets - those games are critical to us. No doubt you and your sons enjoyed the game last night and I envy you in having the opportunity to take it in. Your boys take good care of their "old man!" Oh, for anyone not following this - Lars sent me an Email telling me that he was going to the game. A surprise 'gift' from his sons.
Wanted to make mention of "my other Thread" before I totally forget. I haven't checked in since mid-July but noticed the activity there, especially from Lars and BK. Not certain what I'll do with it - perhaps just let it "run" - although we haven't had very much success in attracting and keeping contributors over there, much less getting anyone to frequent the tavern by the tracks. Anyway, nice of you guys to keep the "spirit" alive! Oh yes, glad the "help" with the Pix-Posting worked out!
CM3, that 5-game series with the Yanks has to go down in baseball history with one of the most disasterous for the BoSox. HOWEVER, it ain't over 'til it's over - and anything can (and usually does!) happen. Take heart, Mate - just look at what's going on with the Cardinals! <groan, groan, groan> Don't know if you picked up on it a day or three ago, but Lars had indicated that he had TURNED DOWN an offer to go up to Fenway to watch one of the games! That would've been a great thing to do - and having made that journey once or thrice to take in sporting events in Beantown from New York City, the memories are all good!
Appreciate the continued participation from all the guys - Rob - Mike 'n Doug included.
Catch y'all either later on or tomorrow fer sure, fer sure!
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !
A final NYC piecefor this theme tuesday. An encore from me but since it also deals with our theme in a theme and dovetales with BK's fine effort , I figure that it bares repeating.As first posted on page 249, the AD for the "New Empire State Express "
trolleyboy wrote:Good day again folks,here's a bit of "lite" reading. Seeing as how tom and Lars have both picked up an NYC theme today here's an ad to go along with their efforts today. CLASSIC AD'S # 4 THE EMPIRE STATE EXPRESS The New Empire State Express Again New York central makes transportation history with a new streamlined Empire State Express Her is really a new way to travel- new in luxury - new in the relaxation and pleasure it offers you. Built of stainles steel with interiors as comfortable as they are beautiful. smart solarium observation ; tavern lounge and dining cars. all seats reserved in Parlour Cars and Reclining Seat Coaches. Same low fares ! Westbound LV New York..... 9:00 am Ar Buffalo ......... 4:50pm Ar St thomas......7:45pm Ar Detroit.............9:55pm Eastbound LV Detroit............8:30am Ar St Thomas...10:32am Ar Buffalo.............1:30pm Ar New York.........9:30pm This train travelled accross the TH&B in southern Ontario as a shortcut between Ny and Detroit. This was listed in the New york Central's/ michigan centrals time table dated November 30 1941. The service started in service westbound on Dec 7 1941 and eastbound dec 8 1941. Note the start dates for the train. I imagine that it did not get much fanfare.
Good evening gentlefolks here at the Tavern By the Tracks. Leon a round of Keith's or the poison of choice for the rest of the assembled. What can I say but a great big yeah Team ! A 5x salute for all who made a rip roaring success the first tuesday theme day , we picked a good one I think and no one was dissapointed.
BK -Wow a wnderfull piece of research there my friend , great info on two great pasenger trains , a theme in a theme today as Tomcovered one name train and you did justice to two more.Al would have been in his glory , hopefully he will be back soon.
Mike -Ah yes our steadfast urlmeister did indeed come through with a great crossection of new NYC urls for us, thank you indeed sir.
Lars -Loved the photo spread of book covers , I'm not supprised that some many wonderfull books were written about the NYC. I know too that the selection you gave us is but a mere drop in the bucket to what has been written about the NYC.
Pete -I'm glad that you are enjoying the fresh batch of Bantham's the NYC museum that you posted the url for looks like an interesting place.I will have to delve more deeply into it. thanks for sharing
Well folks, our first theme tuesday does seem to have gone off without a hitch, thanks again to everyones fine efforts today . 5x We will; have to think long and hard for next weeks. I'm thinking about something perhaps out Doug's way, we shall mull it over for a day or so. Leon another round if you would be so kind.
A pint of the Bathams, that Rob has got delivered and a round for all the great NYC posts please RUTH.
May I say how much I have enjoyed the New York Central posts today Many thanks TOM, CM3, ROB, MIKE, BK and LARS. I dont think I can add to the great posts but I did find this web site to NYC museum It looks a museum well worth a visit.
http://www.nycrrmuseum.org/index.html
They have the diesel which lead the last eastbound 20th Century Limited, an E8 # 4085 and what looks a great model railway.
Pete.
G'day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!
What a sight when entering into the tavern by the tracks - with the daylight streaming in from behind, that fire red hair of Ruth's looks almost ablaze! Good seeing the responses to the resurrected "theme for the day!" from so many!
I'll have TWO frosty mugs of Scheafer and a foot long hero - ham 'n Swiss with mustAHd and buttAH. Oh yeah, two pickles from the barrel and a saucer of brine for Tex! Add a round for the boyz while you're at it . . .
Got through all of today's submissions and must say that everyone has been quite original with the input. Don't recall seeing any repeat performances, even the URLs from Mike were new to the scene. Great stuff from Tom, BK, Rob and CM3!
Well, Captain Tom, I'd say tonight kicks off a rather serious series of ballgames for your Cardinals. With the Mets pretty much coasting - which they shouldn't - these three games could spell out the season for your guys. I remember the times when the Mets 'n Cards were first rate games and very much looked forward to. Now that we have so many teams in the league, plus the interleague stuff - we don't see St. Louis quite as much as in the glorious past. Two teams with great players - lots of all stars - should be good games. Pitching is the key for both, wouldn't you agree We're pretty much battered in that department lately, and looks like you have been reduced to Carpenter as the sole dependable of the staff.
Ok, time for my submission - here's we go:
NYC book
NYC print - Stable mates
NYC print - Along the Hudson
Good Morning Captain Tom and all assembled!
Ah, Ruth is behind the bar and we have a new look this week - red! A #3 for me with a piping hot cuppa Joe with a "splash" to make it interesting - thank you! A round for the guys at the bar on me, Boris - ring the bell!
So it is Tuesday and "theme for the day" is upon us - New York Central. I see the good Captain has started us off in the proper direction with his fine piece on the 20th Century Ltd - well done! I shall follow up with a couple from Wikipedia myself and hopefully the photos willl load. <fingers crossed>
Before getting to that, I should make mention of our early morning customers - Doug and CM3 - good to see the two of you. Then Rob arrived with his inclusive posting and all indeed is well here at the tavern by the tracks! Seems just like old times once again.
Just rechecked the thread and see that Rob and Mike have provided some substantive information for our "theme" - did not see you two at first glance. Apparently all has not been "cured" with this forum revision. Anyway, good show - the Urls from Mike are always on point and Rob can be counted upon for something insightful!
Without further delay, here is my contribution for this Tuesday Theme for the Day (or should it be, Theme of the Day - whateverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!) <grin>
(from: www.wikipedia.com with permission)
Train No. 50, the Empire State Express, passes near Syracuse, New York in August of 1933.
"Drumhead" logos such as these often adorned the ends of observation cars on the Empire State Express.
The Empire State Express was one of the named passenger trains and onetime flagship of the New York Central and Hudson River Railroad (a predecessor of the modern New York Central Railroad). It became the world's first high-speed passenger train on September 14, 1891 when it covered the 436 miles (702 kilometers) between New York City and Buffalo in just 7 hours and 6 minutes (including stops). The train averaged 61.4 miles-per-hour (98.8 km/h), a new world speed record in rail travel, with an officially-recorded top speed of 82 mph (132 km/h), though observers claimed to have clocked the train at 112 mph, or 180 km/h.
In short order, the train would gain worldwide celebrity, and its route would stretch to almost 1,000 miles (1,600 km), with Chicago, Illinois as its western terminus. In addition to its other notable accomplishments, the Empire State was the first passenger train to maintain a regular schedule speed of over 52 mph (84 km/h), and the first to make runs of 142.88 miles (230 km) between stops (between New York City and Albany, the longest scheduled nonstop run ever attempted).
When Amtrak took over operation of the nation's passenger service on May 1, 1971 it thereby ended the 90-year run of the Empire State Express on the New York Central, though Amtrak would continue to use the name for many years to come. Today, a portion of the route is covered by Amtrak's Empire Service.
New York Central and Hudson River Railroad No. 999, the "Queen of Speed," slows to 60 mph as it leads the Empire State Express through Palatine, New York in 1905.
The key to the Empire State's initial fame was a specially-outfitted, 37-foot-long American-type 4-4-0 steam locomotive that was built especially to haul the train. The handmade unit was mounted on 86" diameter driving wheels, and was the first of its kind to have brakes mounted to the front truck. The bands, pipes, and trim were highly polished; the boiler, smokestack, domes, cab, and tender were given a black satin finish, and "Empire State Express" was applied to the sides of the tender in 2'-6" high gold leaf lettering.
No. 999 entered service in May of 1893, making the trip from Syracuse, New York to the Chicago World's Fair. The Express was recorded traveling at 121.5 mph (195.5 km/h) during an exhibition run between Batavia
LaSalle St. Station 7/18/51
http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvn-jpgs/RVN13300.jpg
20th Century Limited 8/10/39
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00013610+OP-13610
4-6-4 Buffalo 8/7/39
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00013405+OP-13405
EMC SW1 Buffalo 8/7/39
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00013509+OP-13509
E7 Mitchell, IL 6/30/51
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00013628+OP-13628
F7 Dickinson, WV 7/9/53
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00013514+OP-13514
Lima diesels Boston 1950s
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=200406050732544647.jpg&byrail%3A8%3ANew_York_Central
RDC Palmer 1950s
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2004011920164731366.jpg&byrail%3A12%3ANew_York_Central
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