Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We'll starty off with "If You Want to Get to Heaven You've Got To Raise a Little Hell," followed by "I'll Marry You Tomorrow, But Let's Honeymoon Tonight," and one of Boris's favorites "I Wouldn't Take Her to a Dogfight 'Cause I'm Afraid She Might Win."
The Boston paper said this a.m. that the Red Sox manager is "spitting up blood." All I know is that there are lots of fans who are chewing the carpet. IIRC, Tom, I said they were done for several months ago. All I know is that the Cardinals are going to send ME to the hospital - late heroics last night vs the Cubbies.
Lots of material to look at this morning. I'll try and work my way back through the stack of struff.
The New Haven used Clejan flat cars for their TOFC service.
Barndad provided lots of pictures and more Q&A material.
Lars - Thanks for NYC material
Rob - Thanks for North Bay shots and TH&B power.
West Coast put in an appearance, too!
Last we have a W&OD encore and some good movies as well. Battle of Britain is one of my favories even though some the scenes are a little precious, the flying sequences make up for them. I wore out my VHS copy and got a DVD not too long ago. "Come in Blue Two!"
Rock bolts - something near and dear to some of us. aka roof bolts. A long time ago I interviewed a coal miner who had 45+ accident-free years underground. I asked him a stock question, "What was the biggest change you saw in underground coal." He answered "roof bolts" without any hesitation. He was scared of them at first as it was "Against the laws of Nature" to have places that wide in a coal mine, but he got used to it rather quickly. His first impression in coming into a bolted place was that it was "Like being in a church," because there was so much room.
Speaking of coal and coal cars. The July-August iossue of C&O History has an excellent piece of early all-steel C&O coal cars. These came into service about the turn of the 20th century. The article also includes some truly fascinating pictures of wooden coal cars built by the Ensign Manufacturing Co. in Huntington, WV.
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G'day Gents!
A rather gloomy day here in mid-continent USA as those elusive rains have finally reached us with some on ‘n off welcomed relief since Friday.
Much appreciation to Doug for making our Photo Posting Sunday pretty much his exclusive venue! Also, thanx to Rob and Lars too, for keeping things moving forward.
Did a bit of reviewing of some past page and it appears that I failed to make mention of some comments directed my way – sorry!
Rob, sounds like your trip to the ball park wasn’t all so bad. Aside from having a chance to enjoy the company of your dad, you saw a well pitched game on both sides. It’s never enjoyable when your team loses, but you gotta commend the efforts as each guy threw a complete game; very rare these days. Plus you got to see our “other” team from Missouri! <grin> Haliday is by far the best pitcher in the AL, perhaps in MLB.
Also, yes I noticed that Penn Central loco in Lars’ Pix. Sneaky, move, eh
Pete, hope your weekend went well. I’ve always enjoyed minor league baseball and
hockey. It’s far more fun to watch when the players are trying their best to climb that ladder into the major leagues. When living in southern Virginia several decades ago, we used to regularly attend the games of the Tidewater Tides, AAA team of the NY Mets. Saw some good games and some fine players come through that area.
Cards sweep, Cards sweep! Walk off grand slam will do it every time!!
Lars, all I can add to your admonishment from yesterday is perhaps it would be best to just let it go. The guys who care about this bar ‘n grill have clearly demonstrated it through the resurgence of activity these past weeks. Others, who are not and have not been ”regulars” need not be held to a higher standard than our “Gang of ten”! The bar always has and perhaps always will mean different things to different people. However, I do understand and share your chagrin when someone we ’expect’ to see stop by – doesn’t, while Posting elsewhere. That really is puzzling . . . .
Set ‘em up Ruth, drinks on da boss! Ring it, Boris!
(By the by, Ruth says she's NOT Ruthie! )
Tom
Goood morning gents!. I'll have two light breakfasts, and leave you with some rading material:
A – So far as is known, signs bearing this legend were first placed at crossings along the line of the Gettysburg & Harrisburg between Gettysburg and Carlisle, Pa. This road, now a part of the Reading System (1959), was opened to traffic in April, 1884. Its vice-president at the time, Col. J.C. Fuller, said that the wording was taken from an opinion delivered in 1880 by Justice Edward M. Paxson, of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court in a case against the Shenango & Allegheny over a crossing wreck.. The Justice disqualified the plaintiff’s suit because he did not “stop, look and listen before attempting to cross the track.” These words were called to the attention of Col. Fuller, and thus became a warning sign at all G&H crossings. In July, 1891, they were adopted by the Philadelphia & Reading throughout the system.
Q – What is a slip coach?
A – On certain British runs a train cuts off its rear coach at a station siding where the passengers unload at their leisure. This is a slip coach. Later in the day the passengers reboard the car and a train picks it up for the return trip.
Q – Is it true that a railroad actually laid tracks on ice and ran trains across a frozen river?
A – Yes, several roads have done it. For example, during the severe winter of 1851-52 the Philadelphia, Wilmington & Baltimore (now a part of the Pennsy) laid tracks over the ice near the mouth of the Susquehanna River and on those tracks they carried 10,000 tons of freight, baggage and mail in 1,378 cars.
Q – What are Clejan-type cars?
A – Lightweight piggyback flatcars used for railroad, highway and sea transport. Each Clejan car carries one 40-foot trailer and one 35-foot trailer, three 24-foot trailers, or two to four containers. It carries both interchangeably. Because of light weight less motive power is required than is used to move the same number of ordinary piggyback cars.
Only one man is needed at the car while loading or unloading. He can ”tie down” a trailer in about a minute and a half, compared with four or six minutes and four men required on older piggyback equipment. Average time for a tractor to pick up and load a trailer on a new car is five minutes, compared with ten to fifteen for conventional equipment.
Q – When was the first Camelback built?
A – In 1877, at the Philadelphia & Reading shops, Reading Pa. She was sent to the Paris Exposition of 1978 where she was modified into a peculiar camelback shape to meet low clearances on the French Northern Railway.
Q – What id the highest point in America reached by a railroad?
A- The summit of Pile’s Peak in Colorado, 4,110 feet above sea level.
Q – Which form of freight transportation gets the most mileage from a dollar’s worth of fuel? (Feb. 1959)
A – The railroad, of course. That much fuel moves 20-ton trucks less than 12 miles, a 40-ton airplane a little over 3 miles, or a 40-ton boxcar 150 miles.
Q – Where is the world’s busiest railroad passenger station?
A – Probably Clapham Jct. Station, near London, on the British Railways, which handles 2,070 passenger trains every 24 hours.
Q – Which train makes the world’s longest daily non-stop passenger service?
A – The Elizabethan between London and Edinburgh, on the British Railways, 393 miles.
Q- What is rock bolting?
A – A new technology reportedly used for the first time on any railroad in America by the Reading System on two of their tunnels, the 121-year-old 1,932-foot Black Rock near Phoenixville, Pa., and their longest, 3,409-foot Mahoney, east of Mahoney, Pa.
Developed for Bethlehem Steel Co. and recommended by the U.S. Bureau of Mines as a sound measure for roof control, it involves the use of special bolts anchored into holes drilled in the rock of the tunnel roof, which are then tightened to compress the stone and stabilize the ceiling. This pioneering effort has resulted in more economical tunnel maintenance and improved safety conditions.
Q – What is meant by the word “peddler” in rail lingo?
A – A freight car or local freight train from which shipments are distributed at intermediate points according to way-bill information. The first of many popular fiction stories written for us by the late Jolin Johns, New York Central conductor, was “The Night Peddler”
Q- Which was the first American railroad to carry freight?
A – Nearly all the early roads hauled some freight, but the Philadelphia& Reading was the first to transport a million tons in one year (1844), most of the tonnage being coal.
Q – What were the silk trains?
A – Trains that streaked across the country about half a century ago from San Francisco and other Pacific ports, carrying rich cargoes from the looms of Japan. Each trainload of silk represented a fortune and was carefully guarded en route. Someone wrote a poem called “The Silk Train,” which captured the glamour and romance of the iron horse carrying the wealth of the Orient to speed a pioneering industry. We don’t know the name of the author, but here are the verses:
Highball! Highball! She is on her way,
Out of the yards in the twilight gray,
Gathering speed at each turn of the wheel,
Pounding impatiently over the steel,
Her headlight dimming the light of the stars,
That wondering gaze on the thundering cars,
Clear of traffic the rails tonight,
For nothing may dare delay the flight,
Of a train of silk from Fricsco.
Pounding hard up the mountain steep,
Drifting down through gorges deep,
Making the walls of the canyon ring,
As the shriek of the whistle goes echoing,
Highball! Throw the levers, the tracks are clear,
The precious cargo is near – is here!
The mountains crossed, her dangers done,
She throbs with pride at the end of the run –
A train of silk from Frisco.
Q – What is the name of the engine that ran under her own power from Philadelphia to Chicago to take part in the World’s Columbian Exposition in 1893?
A – The Pennsy’s ancient John Bull, the first locomotive to be equipped with a cowcatcher.
Have a great day …. It’s time to get to work!
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Hello again gents, and I'll have another breakfast/lunch/dinner, if you please. Nice to see Rob and his nifty steam pix. Station pix were appreciated as well. Thanks for the movie selections Tom. The Stooge film looks to be particularly instructive. Glad you liked the El pix. I really need to plan a trip to do that again, but with no time restraints! Beautiful NYC loco pix [b]Lars[/s]. Very nice indeed. Here's some more stuff from me on this fine day:
Steam still ruled the New Zealand Railroad in 1959. While fireman fills the tank of the 1296 at Ashburton, driver pushes coal over to the shoveling plate.
This too, is railroading. A tugboat works two float-loads of boxcars and gondolas from New Jersey into their berths at the New Haven’s freight yards in uptown New York City.
Salon in private car Cleopatra, bult in 1889 by Pullman Palace Car. Co., predecessor of Pullan-Standard, for officers and directors of the International-Great Northern RR. IN Texas (now part of the Missouri Pacific). Note the beveled-edge French mirrors, costly upholstery fabrics, and highly polished walnut panels of upper berths.
The redball freight that jumped the rails on January 10th, 1959, tied up all four tracks of New Haven’s electrified main line. About two weeks elapsed before electric service was restored, but meanwhile tracks were cleared and diesels kept trains rolling.
Looking down the “throat” of the master retarder at Louisville & Nashville’s new automatic, freight-classification setup, Boyles Yard, three miles north of downtown Birmingham, Ala., we see a car on its way to group retarder and assigned track. This 250-acre yard, costing $12 million, is 4.8 miles long and contains 95 miles of track. It was opened January 1959, replacing L&N facilities 51 years old.
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G’day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the CLOSED bar!
Hope you all enjoyed our Sunday Bill o’ Fare as we wind down the lunch portion of the day - last call at 2 PM!
Ditto’s on Captain Tom’s comments regarding the participation!
Only negative I picked up on concerns those guys who post on the forum but not our thread! That’s something that always bothered me - especially when our guys have made responses to the party concerned, but it gets lost due to this type of activity. Don’t get me wrong on this - I am not saying that our customers cannot post elsewhere - but what I am saying is that when online and on the Kalmbach forums - especially Classic Trains - and you don’t bother to check out the bar – well, that says it all.
Good choice of flicks for the week, Captain Tom and I’m glad you’ve resumed this segment of what many of us looked forward to!
Here are some pix you may have seen here or over on Captain Tom’s “other thread.” Seemed like a good way to bid adieu to the NYC - for awhile!
NYC 20th Century Ltd EMD E units southbound along the Hudson River (1947)
(from: Bruce Wolfe collection)
NYC F7A #1684 (photo credit: J. Hunt)
NYC F7A #1757 (photo credit: J. Hunt)
NYC EMD E8A #4096 (Credit: Corel Corp.)
NYC PA3 #4210 (photo credit: Bill Waller)
NYC FM/GE #4404 (1953) (photo: Howard W. Ameling)
Until the next time!
Lars
Good to see Doug 'n Rob actively engaging in our Photo Posting Sunday activities and partaking in our new Sunday morning-early afternoon bill o' fare, called, "breakfast-brunch-lunch" at the Tavern by the Tracks!
I see that our ENCORE Saturday! drew a bit of activity, which is always appreciated. Also some new stuff as well. No matter, the idea is to sustain interactive conversations along with enjoying the efforts from our customers. I think much of that was achieived!
Acknowledgments to Doug - Rob - Lars - Dave and Mike for stopping by on Saturday! Special THANX to all who provided multiple Posts - way to go!
I particularly enjoyed the Pix from Doug of the Metra and red line El. Also, nice shots from Rob of the TH&B “steamers”!
Okay, enjoy the day!
Even though the bar at ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s –
We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!
NOW PLAYING at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!
. . . Sunday, August 27th thru September 2nd: Battle of Britain (1969) starring: Harry Andrews, Michael Caine, Tevor Howard – and – Being There (1979) starring: Peter Sellers, Shirley MacLaine, Jack Warden. SHORT: False Alarms (1936)
Battle of Britain (1969)
PLOT SUMMARY: England defends itself against an aerial onslaught during the summer of 1940. With Sir Laurence Olivier heading up an ensemble cast as flight commander Sir Hugh Dowdling, The Battle of Britain pays tribute to other nationalities instrumental in fending off the waves of Luftwaffe planes, notably the expatriate Polish and Czech pilots. Trevor Howard, Michael Caine, and Michael Redgrave also populate the cast.
from: multiple sources
Being There (1979)
PLOT SUMMARY: Having lived his life as the gardener on a millionaire's estate, Chance (Peter Sellers) knows of the real world only what he has seen on TV. When his benefactor dies, Chance walks aimlessly into the streets of Washington D.C., where he is struck by a car owned by wealthy Eve Rand (Shirley MacLaine). Identifying himself, the confused man mutters "Chance...gardener," which Eve takes to be "Chauncey Gardiner." Eve takes him to her home to convalesce, and because Chance is so well-dressed and well-groomed, and because he speaks in such a cultured tone, everyone in her orbit assumes that "Chauncey Gardiner" must be a man of profound intelligence. No matter what he says, it is interpreted as a pearl of wisdom and insight. He rises to the top of Washington society, where his simplistic responses to the most difficult questions (responses usually related to his gardening experience) are highly prized by the town's movers and shakers. In fact, there is serious consideration given to running Chance as a presidential candidate.
from: All Movie Guide
Three Stooges Short Subject: False Alarms (1936)
PLOT SUMMARY: Featuring Moe, Larry and Curly The Stooges are dim-witted firemen who spend all their time covering up their mistakes so they can impress their girlfriends by being in uniform. Curly sneaks out of the firehouse while on duty and joins the girls. They want him to get the other two to come over, so Curly trips the nearest fire alarm. The fire truck leaves Moe and Larry behind because they have accidentally locked themselves in a janitor's closet. They then take the Captain's car and try to beat the truck to the fire, ultimately wrecking the car.
The Stooges are dim-witted firemen who spend all their time covering up their mistakes so they can impress their girlfriends by being in uniform. Curly sneaks out of the firehouse while on duty and joins the girls. They want him to get the other two to come over, so Curly trips the nearest fire alarm. The fire truck leaves Moe and Larry behind because they have accidentally locked themselves in a janitor's closet. They then take the Captain's car and try to beat the truck to the fire, ultimately wrecking the car.
from: www.threestooges.net
If you are browsing, how about letting the guys know that you’ve enjoyed their efforts!
Enjoy!
Doug-Hi again , I see you slipped a couiple more through the mailslots, nice shots of the Metra's new digs.We are going to be Go training today ourselves Oakville to the CNE grounds, one stop shopping Go sells the CNE tickets along with the train fare,that way we aavoid driving into Troornto and paying $30 to park. Go lots are free !
two more from North bay then I'm done for the picture posting phase of the day.
The restored CPR North Bay Station now contains a flea market.
Two overall shots of the ONR shop complex in North Bay from the Memorial Drive bridge
Rob
Good morning Ruth, nice to see you awake and bright eyed and bushy tailed this morning.Just popping in to make sure that H&H have started the brucnch buffet prep and that the coffee and tea are on. Today's spacial omellette ,"the everything including the kitchen sink "is to be avoided at all costs ! only Boris has susessfully eaten one and even he said he felt funny afterwards.Must be the axle grease they use to fry it in
Doug -Interesting shots this morning. I wonder is that plant still there, I would imagine that it ould weather inclemint wheather quite well.
Two shots for today then I'm away for a good portion of it. Heather and I are heading into Toronto to our yearly pilgramige to the CNE.
Two more shots from my vacation in July. These two are taken near Kitchener Ontario at the Westfeild Pioneer Village, where they have moved dozens of historic buildings intio their 40 acre park.One of the other attractions is TH&B 103 and a caboose , mounted on a short stretch of track beside the Historic TH&B Jerseyville Station ( also moved to the sight )103 is a heavy Consolidation, the TH&B used these monsters for everything freight helper service up the escarpment, even main passenegr service ( when the Berks or Hudson's were down ) and mixed train service. enjoy
Good morning again. Got a few pictures I took just yesterday. So that I don’t choke the thread page with too many pix, most of these will be URLs. Enjoy!
Our Metra train arrives at Crystal Lake. The brick shelters are about one month old!
Red Line El train photos
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Red line underground
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Back above ground at Addison Street station … Wrigley Field
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Then we went South to Chinatown. The White Sox stadium is just south
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Dragon in sidewalk
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Hungry anyone?
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My type of bank
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shop window
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stuff for sale
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And then we came home to see if anything new had been added to our home since it was getting rained on Friday …. It hadn’t
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Here’s another drop of rain I photographed Thursday AM while biking to work
A husband walks into the bedroom holding two aspirin and a glass of water. His wife asks, "What's that for?""It's for your headache.""I don't have a headache."He replies, "Gotcha!"
Good morning one and all! Sure am glad the bar is open for breakfast, cuz I’m starving for a few light breakfasts! Recent posts since I was last here are still the usual top-notch material that has become the norm for this thread. It’s been a struggle for me to find time to sit and type-up some of the information I blunder across recently. Hope you enjoy the following:
World’s Greatest Dome is Used for Repair of Tank Cars; Ultra-Modern building Adapted from Old Roundhouse Design by Freeman Hubbard; Feb 1959 RM
The geodetic dome, a new concept in buildings and car shops, which Union Tank Car Co. developed at Baton Rouge, La., reminds you of a steam locomotive turntable. As the floor plan shows, tracks radiate like the spokes of a wheel, while a trackmobile and a transfer table move tank cars in process of repair.
I have just returned from a visit to this gigantic hemisphere of goldenrod yellow reinforced on the outside with bright blue steel tubes. It made me think of a world’s fair. It is the largest of all circular buildings without internal supports, It is also the world’s biggest dome, the first geodetic dome fabricated entirely of steel, and the first all0-welded dome. Total floor space, 110,000 square feet, is enough for a football field or a major league baseball diamond.
I saw a preview of the future, a revolutionary version of industrial design. UTC plans eventually to replace all its important plants in the United States and Canada with similar structures, next one on the list being located in Wood River, Illinois.
You may ask, “Why was the Union Dome at Baton Rouge built?” It was built not merely for publicity, although it currently had world-wide publicity value, but because such a structure is highly efficient for use as a car repair shop and because it can be erected at less cost than one of conventional architecture.
The Union Dome has no outside window; but an aperture at the top, combined with open doors, assures good ventilation. The control tower, 80 feet above main floor, guides the operation of cars on the transfer table and repair tracks.
I was not surprised to learn that the Union Dome has more than doubled efficiency of UTC employees working there, because the round pattern permits disabled cars to be taken easily to the men and equipment. In the old plant, which it replaces, repair jobs were delayed by the crisscrossing of tracks. Moreover, the new building eliminates outdoor work, placing all stages of tank car repair under one roof.
The above diagram shows: () point where cars entering Union Dome are inspected to determine repairs needed, (B) where inside of cars is cleaned, (C) general repairs location, (D) heavy repairs, (E) where repairs to tanks are made, (F) transfer table, (G) space for storage of materials, also offices and employees’ rooms, (H) control tower, at top of inner building, overlooking all repair facilities, (I) paint tunnel or finishing shop, (J) car-wash control stations, (K) LPG racks for cars which hold liquified petroleum gas or acid.
A man was chosen for jury duty who really wanted to be dismissed from serving. He tried every excuse he could think of but none of them worked. On the day of the trial, he decided to give it one more shot. As the trial was about to begin, he asked if he could approach the bench. "Your Honor," he said, "I must be excused from this trial because I am prejudiced against the defendant. I took one look at the man in the blue suit with those beady eyes and that dishonest face and I said 'He's a crook! He's guilty!' So, your Honor, I cannot possibly stay on this jury!" With a tired annoyance the judge replied, "Get back in the jury box, you fool. That man is the defendant's lawyer."
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !
Another classic juice encore to wind up my efforts for the day. Interestingly this came from the deep dark bowels of page 134 same page that Tom first posted his Hotel list that he encored today as well.Hope everyone enjoys the second or maybe third time around.
trolleyboy wrote:Hello again. Here is the first installment of the lesser known radial lines. classic juice #4 The Brantford and Hamilton B&H The B&H ws one of the smallar interurban's or radial lines built in Ontario. As the name would suggest they conected the city of Hamilton to the City of Brantford approx a 30 mile run.It was first proposed in 1896 as the Hamilton Chedoke& ancaster Railway. The federal govt guarranteed a $15,000 subsidy once the railway made it to Ancaster. Anyone familiar with this part of Southern Ontario will know that this line would fight up grade and cross the top of the Niagara escarpment. despite the promissed fed funds no work was started. In 1900 the line came under the control of the Haines bros of New york who were putting together radial lines conecting Niagara- Hamilton-Brantford.They changed the name to the Hamilton Ancaster and Brantford and by early 1904 they had aquired most of the ROW.They ran into problems with money on their american lines in NY state and lost their interest in the Hamilton line and the Niagara St Catharines and Toronto which they owned at the time.( This is why the NS&T never reached toronto by rail )They sold their interest to the Von Echa company in 1904 and by 1906 they started to build the line now known as the Hamilton and Brantford. Grading began in july of '06and the line was built to high standards ala the L&PS.A short piece of street track from the Hamilton terminal station followed a ledge cut into the face of the escarpment, and ran on a long continuous 21/2% grade up to Ancaster 600kw substations were built for traction power at Ancaster langford,and Murray street in Brantford. Each building had two 300kw gens with room to add one more for future expansion. Power was brought in from the Decew falls hydro plant.The line was opened to ancaster ion Dec 21 1907,and to Brantford in may of 1908. The initial runs to Brantford ended until a crossing of the Grand trunk line in the city was constructed. Other than two short street lines into Brantfords market street Union station and the short stretch in Hamilton outside of terminal station the B&H ran on entirly private ROW. Total cost of the line was estimated at $800,000.Between 1911 and 16 they looked at expanding to Galt and Preston but this line extension was never built. Instead interline tickets were sold for conections with the Lake Erie and Northern Radial and the Grand River Railway. They also sold tickets in conjunction with the Hamilton steamboat company so passengers could connect to Toronto. The interchaange with the LE&N ws interesting in that the LE&N ran on 1500v. Therfore the market street stations power could be switched over from 600 to 1500 to accomadate both lines cars. This resulted in a 35 min layover for B&H cars which had to lower their poles while the LE&N was using the station.Light frieght and express mail was also carried but the B&H after the war fare increases were required to make up for revenue losses. In 1925 the B&H ws almalgamate dinto the Hamilton Radial railway so cars would run through from Burlington and Stoney creek. This also brought busses into the picture. In 1930 Dominion power the overall owner sold their bus and rail lines so abandonement occured in 1932. To show the lines viability ( most people beleved the B&H could have run anothetr 15 or 20 years } Their first year 1908 they moved 247,200 passengers there was an upward trend until the peak in 1920 of 836,100 fares. after which the numbers dropped in half on average.In 1929 thought with the bus lines fares went back up to just over 800,000.,but in 1930 that dropped to 228,300. The line ran with a dozen cars built by kulhman ( brill ) these were wooden monitor roofed railway style cars dt de The designed speed was 50mph Non-stop test runs covered the thirty mile line in 37 minutes! not bad for 1908! 6 express motors built by ottawa 3 cars and preston 3 cars these rounded out the fleet. In the last 4 years of operation most of the Dominion powers cars could be seen on the B&H. Of a non important note my house is about 500 yards from the old Grand river barge canal in Brantford. The canal bank carried the private ROW of the B&H!
Good evening leon, a tall cold Guiness for me this evening. Nice to see that so much action has happened on this saturday encore day truly heartening to see all of you who give a "rat's patoot"
Dave-Great little side stories on the PE Branch and the 1801, Canada had it's share of uniques fast locomotives. The CPR Jubillee's come to mindtheir unique 4-4-4 configuration and high 86" drivers I believe allowed them to top the 75mph mark. I believe one even hit 104MPH with a Montreal Commuter train.They spent most of their years on the fast timetanles of the Commuter trains in and out of Windsor station. The CNR's K5A Hudsons were also tall drivered 81's and also hit triple didgets on the MPH scale,they pulled the Corridor trains between Windsor and Toronto and Montreal.
Mike & Tom -Ah yes the NYC is still perking along here I think the water level route ids flying by outside the tavern doors Tom I was in TO today took dad to our usual father son Blue Jay game. Saw Roy Halliday pitch a gem complete game 4 hitter , unfortunatly they lost 2-0, enough to make one cry I tell you
lars-Are you sure sharing salty tales at the tavern with John is safe and PG rated LOL. Indeed allot has changed in the ways in which seafarer's are able to stay in contact with thewir loved ones' ( and their wives ) Nice to see the NYC still perking along here isn't it
Well folks think i'll drop off another encore and call it an evening.See you tomorrow for some picture action.
Couldn’t-let-this-day-go-by-without-a-word-or-three-to-our-friend-from-the-left-coast,-Dave.-Nice-seeing-you-at-the-bar-and-hope-that-this-latest-frequency-of-visits-continues.-
You-are-not-the-only-one-experiencing-some-difficulties-with-the-technology-these-days,-as-you-can-see,-I-too-have-some-‘puter-problems.-Mine-is-the-keyboard-and-non-functioning-space-bar.-That’s-why-I’ve-elected-to-go-with-the-dashes-otherwise-all-the-words-wouldberuntogether-
Dell-tells-me-that-I-should-be-receiving-the-replacement-on-Monday.-I-could-prepare-this-on-our-PC,-but-then-I’d-give-up-the-convenience-of-being-able-to-type-this-wherever-I-please-like-watching-the-Cards-‘n-Cubs-on-our-large-screen-TV-rather-than-being-sequestered-in-the-back-room.-Anyway,-once-again-I-was-"treated"-to-a-conversation-with-a-person-most-obviously-not-here-in-the-states,-a-thick-Indian-accent-with-an-Americanized-first-name-(yeah-right!)-and-play-acting-as-if-he-really-gives-a-Rat's-Patoot-about-my-problem.-I-like-Dell-products-and-I-like-the-extended-warranty-and-replacement-program-but-getting-to-1st-base-much-less-all-around-them-is-really-challenging-and-frustrating.Very-much-like-figuring-out-these-Kalmbach-Forums!-
Don’t-quite-understand-this-stuff-with-the-search-feature-on-the-newly-redesigned-Forums.-Just-the-other-day-Pete-mentioned-a-similar-thing-the-other-day..-When-I’ve-used-the-search-feature-in-the-advanced-search-mode,-it-provides-all-kinds-of-material,-BUT-I-cannot-get-to-the-exact-page-where-the-stuff-is.-It-keeps-taking-me-back-to-the-most-current-page,-which-is-absolutely-no-help-when-trying-to-research-something.-Really-a-PPoor-revision-and-I’m-beginning-to-think-that-no-one-at-Kalmbach-gives-a-Rat’s-Patoot-regarding-the-problems-many-of-us-have-encountered-since-they-“improved”-things-for-us!
A-suggestion-for-anyone-having-problems-with-the-Forums-send-an-Email-to-Kalmbach.-That’s-really-the-only-recourse-we-have,-other-than-finding-another-place-to-set-up-shop-in-the-Ether.
Good-Post-on-the-Pacific-Electric,-something-I-surely-had-never-heard-of-and-one-of-the-pluses-about-this-bar-of-ours!-
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.
It's good to see John and send him links to the 4460.
Pete, I don't know what that is, it could be a footbridge but I doubt it. Here's the picture again and for location, it looks like it must be Beacon,NY.
http://www.nycshs.org/nycshs2.jpg
Train #1 Beacon, NY 8/12/32
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00013579+OP-13579.html
This was a Michigan Central train, stopped for some reason at Porter, Indiana 8/20/46
http://purl.dlib.indiana.edu/iudl/archives/cushman/full/P03451.jpg
Who sang "Indiana Wants Me"? It wasn't the Commodores.
http://images4.indianahistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/dc012&CISOPTR=11354&REC=8
James Whitcomb Riley
http://images4.indianahistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/dc012&CISOPTR=6897&REC=7
Beeliner RDC
http://www.michiganrailroads.com/RRHX/Pictures/Photos/016-020/Photo016C.htm
Wolverine
http://www.michiganrailroads.com/RRHX/Stories/TheNewWolverinePassengerTrain.htm
Article from Genesee County website
In 1876 the fastest scheduled railroad service from New York City to San Francisco took seven days. This problem sparked the desire for improved transportation and greater speed which resulted in the creation of a steam locomotive named the Empire State Express No. 999. William Buchanan, a master mechanic and superintendent of motive power on the West Albany Shops, drew plans for what was to become the world's most beautiful locomotive ever built. The construction of this 37 feet long engine was by hand with chisels and hammers and was the first of its kind to have brakes applied to the front trucks. Everything about the No. 999 was designed for speed with no pains spared for beauty. The bands, pipes and trimming were highly polished; the brass shone like a mirror; the cap was beautifully painted and across the tender (coal storage car) was written in 2.5 foot high gold leaf lettering"Empire State Express". Hand polishing provided a black satin finish and the 86-inch drive wheels gave the No. 999 a powerful appearance.
As the 1893 World's Fair in Chicago approached every country was planning to exhibit the fastest engine. On May 9, 1893 Charlie Hogan, from Batavia, an experienced and dependable engine pilot took over the untested locomotive at Rochester and was 25 minutes late due to boiler trouble. While passing through Batavia, Hogan kept opening the throttle and when the No. 999 arrived in Buffalo, it had run the 69 miles from Rochester in 68 minutes. The estimated speed was 102 miles per hour. Word spread of this marvelous run and the next morning when Hogan took the No. 999 back to Syracuse crowds turned out to see the "Queen of Speed". In the afternoon the No. 999 again headed westward towards Buffalo but this time railroad officials were on board to record the speed. Between Batavia and Corfu, Engineer Hogan opened the throttle all the way and the No. 999 responded with 112.5 miles per hour by the time it sped through the Village of Crittenden, in Erie County. The speed was recorded by train officials and newspaper reporters who clocked off mile posts using hand-held stop watches. In the hands of a great engineer and a competent fireman, who fed coal to the furnace, the No. 999 marked its place in history as being the first thing on wheels to go over 100 miles per hour and had set a "world record".
Those who witnessed this famous event in Batavia stated that the No. 999 roared through the community billowing black smoke and kicking up a cloud of dust. A gathering of 75 to 100 onlookers cheered as the locomotive whirled passed and they were aware that no human had ever witnessed such speed before. News of this virtually unbelievable accomplishment was telegraphed to all parts of the world. Charlie Hogan and the No. 999 were the star attractions at the Chicago World's Fair and brought prestige and honor to the New York Central and Hudson River Railroad.
The New York Central & Hudson River Railroad's exhibit was a resounding success. Toy manufacturers and amusement parks rushed to capitalize on the No. 999 fame. There were over 3,000 miniature versions of that engine created for amusement park railroad rides which were shipped as far away as Thailand and South Africa. Electric train sets began putting 999 on their engines. This famous locomotive was shown at other expositions that included the 1927 Baltimore Fair of Iron, 1933 and 1934 Chicago Century of Progress, 1938 Cleveland Exposition, 1939 and 1940 New York World's Fair, 1948 and 1949 Chicago's Railroad Fair and 1952 Genesee County Sesquicentennial. The great engine was retired from shows and reduced to hauling a lowly milk train in the Albany area. In 1962 it was rescued and restored to her glory days and given by the New York Central to the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry. The site of this museum is on the same grounds as the 1893 Chicago World's Fair and it is estimated that annually over two million visitors see the No. 999.
As for Charlie Hogan he never retired and was able to carry out his duties as manager of the New York Central Shop in Buffalo until the age of 89. His father had been a foreman for the New York Central and at the age of 14 Charlie began as a water boy. He soon became a switch tender, then a brakeman, then a fireman alternating working in the shops as a machinist's helper. The New York Central noted that the former Batavian had an unusual record for in his 25-years of piloting locomotives he never once hit a cow which was a common hazard for engineers. Two months after the famous run Charlie was promoted from an engineer to instructor for other pilots in the art of operating a locomotive. In 1900 he became master mechanic in Buffalo, promoted to superintendent of motive power in 1910. Charlie died on November 11, 1939 and at the time of his death, his 112.5 miles per hour speed record had been surpassed only three times over the rails.
Charles H. Hogan 1921
http://www.rochester.lib.ny.us/rochimag/rmsc/scm07/scm07680.jpg
Mike
Weekly Schedule of EventsSunday - Bar is CLOSED - Food service is available for breakfast, brunch 'n lunch.Pix Posting Day.Monday thru Saturday: Breakfast - brunch - lunch.Tuesday - Classic Trains "theme day" - next up: New York Central!!Wednesday - Toy 'n Model trains day (optional)Thursday - Fish 'n Chips nite - begins at 5 PMFriday - Pizza 'n Beer nite AND Steak 'n Fries nite - begins at 5 PMSaturday - Steak nite - begins at 5 PMEncore Saturday (optional)"Our" Place StaffBossman, Proprietor and Mentor: Siberianmo TomChief Cyclops - BorisChief Bartender (nites) - LeonChief Bartender (days) - CindyGals of "Our" Place - Ruth (redhead) - Ann (blonde) - Lucy (brunette) - Jemima (raven)Mascots of "Our" Place - Juneau the Siberian Husky - Awk the Parrot and Tex the ArmadilloSecurity Force - Inspector Cluess of the Local Constabulary and Mr. Doyle, Private EyeBar Chandler - Trolleyboy RobChief Chef - open (temporarily filled by H&H)Bar Manager - LoveDomes Lars (newly appointed)Birthday Watch List and special celebrationsMaintained by Tom and continuance to be determined.ProtocolGreet the barkeep upon visiting the bar - each time.Order a drink or food. (Coffee and soft drinks are free with food orders, otherwise 5 bucks per cup)Acknowledge the other guys and be inclusive with comments.Order of the Stools (reserved and permanent)Maintained by Tom and continuance to be determined.Most Valuable Patron - MVPMaintained by Tom and continuance to be determined.Daily SummarySuspended and resumption to be determined by Tom.=====================================================
Figured that while I was here I would start off our usual saturday encore and chat with this little piece from page 289.As always a light day of encores and general chat. Not forgetting the steak and trimmings night starting at approx 5:30 in all time zones ( yup we're still speacial that way ) Quality aged black angus beef and all the traditional sides please partake early and often.
trolleyboy wrote:Okay a quick new piece before I'm gone until this evening. CLASSIC JUICE # 26 THE GREAT GORGE ROUTE Niagara Falls Parks & River Railway As with many municipalities in Canada and the United States Niagara Falls On & Ny owe their herritage to railways, few will actually admit this or celebrate it now however.An irony for sure is that one of Canda'a shortest lived Railways has had the most written about ( books , videos ) and thanks to the Niagara Parks Commission plaques for every scenic bit of it's line.This line is of coarse the Niagara falls great Gorge Route. Like most things about Niagara Falls, there is an American and a Canadian side of it.The Great Gorge Route was no different in this.The Candain side was built first,incorporated in 1891 by E.B. Oesler of Toronto and R.B. Angus( CPR Angus Shops Fame ) of Montreal. Operations started up in 1893 and it was electrified right from the get go ( no supprise there given the location ). Within the first twp years it had carried half a million passengers in a single car ! Ferries from Buffalo landed at the Slater dock just south of Chippewa Ontario,from there the trolley cars met the passengers and bounced along the brink of the gorge to Queenston, where a spur carried them into town or up the escarpment to the Brock Monument and the Battle of Queenston Heights National Park.At queenston passengers could board a steamer for a trip out the Niagara River and on into Toronto.This route gave the passengers an amazing view of the Horseshoe falls, the American Falls and the Rapids. The Americans didn't want to be left out of this tourism tour da force so in 1899 they built a mirror line on the American side of the Gorge,running from Lewiston NY to Niagara Falls Ny.Around the same time the Queenston-Lewiston Brige was being completed and quickly both side completed the belt line accross the bridge linking the two Gorge routes. In 1915, the worst accident on a Candain radial line ocured at Queenston.As a badley overcrowded car of Sunday Picnickers,began down the steeply inclined line from Brocks monument Park, the motorman tried to sand the rails infront of the car to help with the braking.To his shock and horror someone had forgotten to fill the cars sander. With no traction the car went out of control and jumped the tracks into the Niagara River, Fifteen passengers were killed about 100 injured ( car was built for 80 passengers ),luckily the companies steamer Chippawa was at the dock and it moved out into the river to recue the drenched passengers, otherwise many more may have been killed. Once the auto age hit, it devistated the Gorge route business ( Niagara Parkway was built above the ROW ). Between 1928-1932 the ridership plunged and the 1932 season was the Canadian sides last.The US side ran until 1935 when a massive landslide occurred and took out 200 feet of track and overhead.The repair cost out weighed the possible returns of pasengers so this line too was shut down. Thus ended the era of being able to ride along the Niagara Gorge and enjoy the view from open air streetcars. Rob
Morning Ruth ,lets see a number 3 and the large thermos of coffee to get the ole motor running again this morning.I see thatyou and Boris have had a visiter all ready nice to see.
John-Hey good to hear from you again, yep the ole "Saloon on The Siding" is back up and running, which is good news because Boris is no longer loose in the countryside looking for things to keep himself busy.You likley do smell fromaldihide comming from the shed,seems that Boris and Leon have taken to "finding" things on their Sunday hikes in the woods and they have taken up a self taught coarse of taxidermyYou should see the "decorations" inside the shed. I'm thinking of charging a fee to go see their house of horrors/curiosities. We've ordered a large Circuss type neon sign, and I'm seeing if one of those sideshow rail cars is available, should make for some good family fun LOLI wouldn't sweat the small stuff of not being able to scroll all the way back, we're just glad to know that you are well and that you pop in from time to timeThere is some good stuff to catch up on once you get back home.Amazing how the threads we start can tend to pick up a life of their own.4-8-4's I guess just flick alot of guy's switches out on the main forum I guess.
Good Morning Tom, et.al., good to see that "Our" Place is back in business. I'll take a shot of Bailey's to start the day, and a serving of whatever's hot on the grill. (Do I smell formaldehyde coming from the shed out back?)
Well, sorry (again) for the extended absence. Don't relegate me to the "League of the Lost", "League of the Beleaguered" is more appropriate, in my case. This satellite connection doesn't accommodate browsing back through previous pages very well. Depending on the ship's location, it can take ten or more minutes for a page to load. I was going to look back through June and acknowledge some of the posts I remember seeing back then, but after an hour of trying I give up. I'll just say to all the guys who extended birthday wishes to me; Thank you. I was traveling on June 3rd, from Honolulu to Singapore via Narita. The ship was in dry-dock at Sembawang, so I was living in a hotel for a couple weeks in June. The ship's at the Sasebo Naval Base right now, Sasebo, Japan.
I remember a few of the posts that were of particular interest to me back in June, I think they were by Al and Dave, but don't remember for sure, regarding the Southern Pacific. Also there was one about railroading ops in Oakland. Having spent some time there in the past before they closed down the Oakland Naval Supply Center and Alameda Naval Air Station, I found the post pretty interesting.
I see that the thread I started about a year ago (Who Built The Highest Quality 4-8-4's?) is still alive, in spite of the fact that I rarely post there. Glad somebody finds it interesting.
Well, just wanted to stop in and say hi.
John
CLASSIC JUICE # 32 LOST ELECTRICS OF SW ONTARIO PT 2
THE SANDWICH WINDSOR & AMHERSTBURG RAILWAY
The first section was built between Windsor and Walkerville ( Hiram Walker's model town for his distillery ) in 1886, and became Canada's first regular electric streetcar line.In 1891 it was reorganized as the Sandwich Windsor and Amherstburg RY and in 1901 passed into the control of Detroit United, then operating the electric systems across the boarder.
From downtown Windsor the route followed city streets to the Detroit River near Sunnyside where it swung inland to avoid a marshy area along the river.It then returned to it;'s river route which it followed into the town of Amherstburg.
The Tecumseh portion of the line paralleled the river through Walkerville to the towm of Tecumseh ( then a suburb of Windsor ). The Franchise expired in 1919 and was purchased by the municiplatities that it served,they in turn contracted out the operations and maintenance of the line to the HEPC. Hydro upgraded the line in 1924-25 to allow it to carry fireght as well as passengers, this was a common practise of the radials in Ontario.By the 1930's buses began to carry more passengers than the rail line, and in 1934 HEPC cancelled it's contract with the municipalities.Unable to operate the line on their own, the local politicians closed it down in 1937.Today one lone Birney body from the line awaits restoration at our musuem, having survived as a storage shed in Sandwich until we purchased it in 1975.
THE WOODSTOCK,THAMES VALLEY & INGERSOLL RAILWAY
Perhaps one of Ontario's shortest radial railways was the Woodstock Thames Valley & Ingersoll.It's main promoters were a pair of out of towners named J Armstrong and S Ritter Ickes who dreamed of a much wider network of radial lines which would link Woodstock with Niagara Falls and Toronto.They also purchased the Brantford Street Railway at the time and ran the whole lot into bankruptsey.
In 1901 it began operating between Woodstock and Ingersoll using a tiny "Toonerville Trolley" style 24 seaternicknamed Estelle. ( The real Estelle was later revealled to be Ickes's daughter )Along from the city of Woodstock, Estelle operated from the waiting room in the McCleod Building at Dundas and Broadway, before following Mill, Huron, and Park Row to now preasant day County road 9. Like many ohter interurban's it creaated a park to attract more customers.Fairmont Park on the Thames River just east of Beachville.Here campers and excursionists filled the little coach to capacity.Winters were not pleasant, as the heater in the car failed to properly heat the car,bieng either too hot, too cold or too smokey. The lines Western terminus was the Ingersoll Inn. The 18KM (11 mile) line operated rom 1902 to 1925 before giving way to buses.
That's it for tonight a final Pt 3 will happen on Monday.
Good evening Leon , I think a Keith's and perhaps a round for those others still sitting or leaning Oh and a nice sirloin medium with the skillet of mushrooms. Someone's got to order some of the fine fare that we have around here.So C&NW it is on tuesday , I'm guessing that it should be an interesting disscussion Hopefully our newfound C&NW conductor will make it back with some fresh insights.
Dave -Glad that you liked the Pt 1 of the lost electrics. i figured they might flick your switch as it were seeing as how most of them were radial lines. Good luck with the decision making process on that new potential job , changing one's carreer is never an easy choice. I'm glad to see that you were able to make it by a couple days ( daze ) in a row. If Boris is lurking again it must be timeto change his meds , back to the red tranquilizers again I think.
Tom-No PC awe shucks in everyones life and discussions of trains some squirming must set in LOL. It did turn out to be a not to bad of a day afterall yesterday.Nice to see some NYC stuff still floating in.I suppose that we could almost spend a month of tuesday's on it and the PRR.My Blue Birds are I think done ( too much in figthing between the manager and his players ) My Maple Leafs look to be fielding another slow as mollassis in january team and should finish out of the playoffs again, and my football team the Hamilton Tigercats are sitting at 2 and 8 with 8 more excruciating games to go. Oh well at least I still ahve model trains and the museum !
Pete -Glad you liked part one as well.It is amazing how wide spread electrifiacation used to be up here and in the states.Hard to believe that seeing whats happened over here that London would even concider what tey are doing. At least even if diesilized the trains will still run, at least that's still going for them.That price hike seems a bit outrageous, the local utilities there must be taking their cues from utility companies on this side of the pond.I'm supprised that the railways there don't have their own generating facilities some of the larger one's over here did.I'm glad to hear that ,that musuem is repainting that GG1 into a proper paint scheme PC black or Amtrak or Conrail Blue just didn;'t suit them
Lars -Nice photo's sir. Hope da boss didn't see that PC SD35 lurking in the weeds I can't say as I ever cared for the Cigar band paint job on the NYC. The only locomotives that sort of looked okay in it were the GP20's and 30's.
Well Leon I think another round's in order. Yah Boris hit it !
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Hi Tom and all.
A coffee and a bacon butty this morning please RUTH.
What a great and interesting evening and morning at Our Place.
Much welcome rain at the minute but accompanied by a thunder storm which knocked out power for a sizeable area around Jeff City this morning. it was a major outage but after hearing it could be a fair while before it could be fixed it was back on after about a hour or so, a to the Utility guys.
DOUG Great to see the house coming along well.. Another great set of Information Booth pics, especially the steam turbine alternator being loaded on the Pennsy wagon, simular to the stuff I worked on in the UK. With the larger loading gauge in N. America large components could be transported by rail where as in the UK it had to go by road
ROB Very interesting on the Lost Electrics . It really is sad to see a intensive system done away with, surely electric power must be the best way for city transit as the new light rail systems are showing. there has even been talk of de-electrifying the line from London to Edinburgh the east Coast Main line in Britain, to me it would be madness.I read recently that the electric companies are going to raise the price of suppling the railway by 60%,that is not right surely.GRRRRR.
Glad the Holy Cod lived up to its name although saying it was better than H&H's was taking a risk.
I really miss the Fish Chips and Mushy Peas. There is a Captain Cod opposite the Severn Valley Railway station in Kidderminster which goes very well with the Bathams. It seems tha fish and chip shops and hair salons come up with the best names for their businesses, some in the UK are The Plaice to Be and The Plaice by the Tracks it is a vital piece of information to know where the best Chippy, as well as the best pubs, are when visting various towns on railfan trips.
Lucky ERIC going to the Swedish 150th event, looking forward to some great photos and hoping you have a great time.
DAVE So Doug has a rival with the jokes. Let us know if you have any luck finding the Wye. It is Alan's and mine interest in the UK looking for traces of old railway trackbeds and remains. It is getting more difficult and even with old Ordinance Survey Maps and photos in many places it is impossible to know a line existed. Now and then in the UK railway mags they do a then and now photo taken from the same spot when the railway was there and today, often it is only a tree or a building to show it is the same place.
P Glad you are feeling better, good to see you in at the bar
CM3 It must have been a grand trip to leave Chicago mid-morning and arrive at New York next morning after travelling by Pullman.
TOM We are going to the brides mom this weekend and are due to see theSpringfield Cards on Saturday evening lets hope they can get a win, the local team the Columbia Mavericks are not playing this season. I must admit I used to enjoy watching them.
In the the link to the NYC museum there is a photo of a GG1 in PennCentral black livery , although they say it being painted back into Pennsey colors soon.
Luckily logging in to the forum is not a problem at the moment for me I only hope I have not spoken too soon.
Hope to be back to post some pics Sunday
Pete.
LARS Just caught your post the pics enlarged ok this time.
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