Theme for the Day! - Theme for the Day!
Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:
(first Posted on page 140)
Theme for the Day #3
New York, New Haven & Hartford (NYNH&H) (NH)
Headquarters: New Haven, CT
Mileage in 1950: 1,800
Locomotives in 1963:
Diesel: 381 – Electric: 22
Rolling stock in 1963:
Freight cars: 6,925 – Passenger cars: 1,055 (including self-propelled)
Principal routes in 1950:
New York City (Grand Central)-New Haven-New London, CT-Providence, RI-Boston, MA
New York City (Pennsylvania Station)-New Rochelle, NY
New Haven-Hartford, CT-Springfield, MA
New Haven-Middletown-Putnam, CT-Boston (Readville)
New Haven-Northhampton & Holyoke, MA
Devon-Winsted, CT
Waterbury-Hartford-Plainfield, CT-Providence
Providence (Valley Falls)-Worcester, MA
Norwalk, CT-Pittsfield & Station Line, MA
Derby, CT-Campbell Hall & Beacon, NY
New London-Worcester
New Bedford & Fall River-Framingham-Lowell & Fitchburg, MA
Boston-Brocton-Provincetown & Hyannis & Woods Hole, MA
Attleboro-Taunton-Middleboro, MA
South Braintree-Plymouth, MA
Passenger trains of note:
NEW YORK-BOSTON
Bay State – Bostonian - Commander – Forty Second Street – Gilt Edge –
Hell Gate Express – Merchants Limited – Murray Hill – Narragansett –
New Yorker – Owl – Puritan – Roger Williams – Shoreliner – Yankee Clipper
BOSTON-PHILADELPHIA-WASHINGTON
(operated by PRR west of NYC (Penn Station)
Colonial – Federal – Patriot – Pilgrim – Quaker – Senator – William Penn
OTHER RUNS
Bankers (New York-Springfield)
Berkshires (New York-Pittsfield)
Connecticut Yankee (New York-Springfield)
Day Cape Codder (New York-Hyannis & Woods Hole
Day White Mountain (New York-Berlin, NH; operated by B&M north of Springfield)
Montrealer (New York-to-Montreal, operated by B&M, CV & CN north of Springfield)
Nathan Hale (New York-Springfield)
Naugatuck (New York-Winsted)
Night Cap (New York-Stamford, CT
State of Maine (New York-Portland, ME via Providence & Worcester; B&M beyond
Washingtonian (Montreal-to-Washington counterpart to Montrealer
Enjoy!
Tom
G'day Gents!
It's NEW HAVEN RR "Theme of the Day" here at the Tavern by the Tracks!
Looks like my wish came true as Doug - Nick 'n Rob rounded out the day quite nicely with their contributions. Made an otherwise slow holiday worth staying open!
Ruth will start off her work week at 9 AM, followed by Leon at 5 PM for resumption of the "normal" bartending duties. Been awhile since any of the "staff" had two days off in succession, eh
Names for the Penguin mascot thus far:
Pengie (from Lars)
Chester (from Nick)
Willie/Willimina (from Rob)
(name will be announced on Monday!)
Good kickoff for our "Theme for the Day!" with the New Haven electrification from Doug! Nicely done . . . loved that earlier cartoon from you, but my guess is the "fairer sex" most probably have their shorts in a knot over that one! <grin> No suggestion for our Penguin's name
Back to our Penguin, have just found out that it is a male of the species. How do I know that Boris caught him writing his name in the artificial snow! What was the name Hard to figger out - who reads Penguinese
On standby generators: Ocean going vessels have lifeboats, even if they've never sunk! <grin>
The state of Missouri has no policy or plan to encourage residential users of electricity (which translates to: all of us!) to explore alternative energy sources as they do in California, Arizona and other places. Nope - not around here. The big utilitity companies seemingly have us all by the short hairs and that's the way it will be unless and until WE do something about it. I explored putting in solar panels and methods to power a room or two with the sun's energy. Found out that our electric company would charge us a King's ransom in "fees" and the like to "protect" their infrastructure against any damage caused by such a scheme. Crazy - absolutely bonkers. In California it's done all over the place and done quite proficiently. <arggggggghhhhhhhhh>
Rob, nice piece on the Chicago - New York Air Line RR! Another that emerged from the "woodwork" that I never heard of. Would like to see some Pix of their rolling stock, locos and herald.
Nick, you're not the first to have experienced a bit of difficulty navigating that front porch of ours - gotta watch that first step down - it can be a killer! <grin> And yes, really does destroy one's "image" eh
Okay, Boris serve 'em up all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle and ring the gong while you're at it!
Later!
Good morning Tom and friends. Great to see Nick pop by, and the Chicago-New York Airline piece by Rob. I'll have a light breakfast, leave my "stuff", and be hitting the road. Hope ya'll have a terrific day, and by the way Tom ... whatever your gas costs, we pay at least $.30 more per gallon. You would think the state would have trouble finding ways to spend the recent windfall of extra taxes, but I'll bet they figure it out!
New Haven Electrification by Sy Reich, Feb 1959 Railroad Magazine
New York’s Park Avenue (originally called Fourth Avenue) had huge vents to let off smoke from trains below it.
Many people have wondered why New York City’s much-publicized Park Avenue, with its great hotels and smart shops, is so very broad, even more so than the elite Fifth Avenue.
The answer involves two railroad systems – the New York Central and the New York, New Haven & Hartford – that use the Grand Central Terminal. Before the lines were electrified, their jointly-operated tracks ran under the Avenue as they do today, but in those days the entire length of the street was perforated with large open vents to permit the escape of noxious smoke from steam locomotives and to provide fresh air for the passengers and crews.
Without such ventilation, the trains would have to continue running through the city on a street level as they did originally. Since electrification, however, the huge vents pictured have been reduced to relatively small iron gratings.
As we pointed out in our December issue, New Haven’s engineers planning for an electrified entry into the new Grand Central Terminal, then under construction at the foot of Park Avenue, had to decide whether to use direct or alternating current, and what voltage. General Electric offered seven different types of locomotives – four for DC, here for AC. Two of the DC’s were designed for 600 volts DC overhead and two for 1200 volts DC overhead. One locomotive for each voltage was to weigh 97 tons, and the other 75 tons.
These locomotives resembled the motive power that General Electric was then building for the Central, classes S-1 and S-2. They were to have a 1-D-1 wheel arrangement and be equipped with four gearless motors like their Central counterparts. Two of the locomotives proposed for 3300-volt AC catenary operation would have a 1-CxC-1 wheel arrangement and would weigh 145 tons each/ One was designed for 25 cycle AC supply and the other for 12.5 cycle AC current. A third AC locomotive unit, designed for 12.5 cycles, was to be of the side-rod type similar to the famous Pennsy DD-1’s, with a 2-4X4-2 wheel arrangement.
General Electric promised that if the New Haven decided to use the DC locomotives, which were supposed to be more economical, and AC overhead tenders built for them would house a motor generator to convert AC current from overhead to DC for use by the locomotive. Note that the AC locomotives had motors designed to operate on either Ac or DC and did not require such a tender.
Unlike General Electric, which had always advocated DC, Westinghouse Electric Co. had been experimenting with AC within its own plant area and advised the New Haven Railroad to use high voltage in the catenary for economical transmission. It recommended 11,000 volts AC at 25 cycles and designed a locomotive having a B-BxB-B wheel arrangement for such a system.
Westinghouse also submitted proposals for two DC locomotives of 1-B-1x1 wheel arrangement. In addition to a B-BxB-B locomotive to use on 15-cycle AC current.
New Haven management studied these and other proposals. With the thought in ind of extending the electrification to New Have, then to Boston, they contracted with Westinghouse to electrify the important and heavily traveled main line from Woodlawn to Stanford with 11,000 volts while the commercial use of alternating current was practically non-existent.
We congratulate those pioneers for their wise choice, since all subsequent major domestic electrification used this same power supply. Later, extensive projects in Europe, too, adopted high-voltage AC, although at a different frequency so as to compensate with commercial power frequencies.
(Above) Experimental arch-type catenary bridge at Glenbrook, Conn., on main line of New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad. (Below) Catenary construction and left-handed semaphores on Harlem River Line, looking toward New Rochelle Jct.
The New Haven’s route between Woodlawn and Boston, known as Shore Line, follows the northern rim of Long Island Sound. Years before, Long Island Rail Road engineers, envisioning the LIRR as the main line between New York and Boston, had insisted it was impossible to build a railroad along the coast of Rhode Island and Connecticut.
The route has 70 separate curves in 60.52 miles of electrified line between Woodlawn Jct. and the New Haven passenger station, the sharpest of which is west of Bridgeport, site of the two wrecks of The Federal. The longest stretch of straight track in this area is 15,392.78 feet, located between Larchmont and West Street.
When Pat Maginis was president of the New Haven he remarked that a passenger traveling between New York and Boston went around in seven complete circles. However, the road’s Engineering Department has built a high-speed railroad despite the curves. Normal operating speed of express trains over the electrified mail line is 70 limes per hour.
The engineers laid the rails on stone ballasted roadbed and, by using super-elevation, have been able to maintain the normal 70 mph maximum speed around all but six of the 70 curves. Since 1905, when 100-pound rail was laid in general electrification improvement, rail weight has been increasing constantly until now the standard is 131 along the four main-line tracks.
Three of the New Haven’s branches also were electrified. The six-track 11.22-mile Harlem River branch between New Rochelle Jct. and the Harlem River and the 138th Street in the Bronx provided freight entry for the New Haven into the big city and connections for the west and south. It was used by commuter service between Harlem River and New Rochelle and was shared by the New York, Westchester & Boston, with the Harlem River serving as the New York terminal of that road.
When the Hell Gate bridge was built, the Harlem River Line allowed New Haven passenger trains from New England to operate into Penn Station, New York, where Pennsy engineers would take over to complete their runs to Washington and other points on the Pennsy System.
The New Canaan branch, a single-track route between New Canaan and Stanford, where it joins the Shore Line, had its 7.86-mile length electrified in 1901, using 600-volt DC to be compatable with local street car lines controlled by the New Haven Railroad. Later, this operation was changed to 11,000 volts to coin
CLASSIC JUICE # 34 THE CHICAGO-NEW YORK AIR LINE RAILROAD
Something a bit different today. This Classic Juice is a US road just for something different. Again this is a road which has been somewhat lost in the mists of time. It was however an extremely over ambitious line, dreamed up at the height of the interurban building craze of early last century.
The ambition and vitality of the interurbanreached a kind of pinacle when teh Chicago-New York Air Line RR was first contemplated and construction started. It was a magnificent dream that was an on and off affair between 1906-1913.This was to have been a breathtaking piece of engineering and construction. It's charter and designers called for a high speed double track mainline that was to travel a direct 750 mile route between Chicago and New York City.A distance designed to be hundreds of miles shorter than the steam railroads required for the same trip.It was designed to plunge through the Pennsylvania Mountains in a series of dramatic tunnels and fills.There was to be no curve that couldn't be taken at the high speed of 90mph, nor any grade larger than one half of one percent !Streamlined electric locomotives were called for to pull luxurious cars bewteen the cities in 10 hours, avaearging 75mph over the length of the run. All this was theoretically possible,even for the time and with the current 1500v DC overhead technologies.
When in 1906 ground was first broken for the construction of the first leg of the road,thousands of Airline stockholders felt that the world's most ambitious interurban would soon become the worlds most profitable one.There were aspects of a crusade , or even an almost cult like following with the sahreholders of the "airline".Each month they recieved the periodical "The Air Line News ".it reported on how wonderfully the construction was progressing. It printed the steel girders that had already been rcieved to span creeks and build bridges, and showed shots of te huge Vulcan Steam crane already on the job grading the ROW.They ran letters from enthusiastic sharholders, and coupons in each issue by which the readers or their friends could apply for more stock, purchasable in installments !
In four or five sections of the country, airline stockholders formed into local clubs so they could get to know each other and hear speeches about "thier"wonderfull railroad. The land aquisition program in Indiana, where the initial construction took place was also marked with almost evangelical fervor.Colonel Hord, the main option selling man, would approach farmers along the route who's labds needed to be appropriated and he would ytalk themm into selling thier piece for a handfull of shares,sometimes even getting them to get on board and buy more. ( original used car salesman ).
The Air Line, was not just a mere hot air and mirrors priomotion. Alexander C Miller, the guiding spirit of the line,a nd J D Price, the president of the line and construction company were substantial citizens with a bakc ground in railroading.Miller was a dedicated believer in the whole plan.The company used high pressure promotion methods, because conventional financing for such a huge plan was unavaialable as the banks were heavily involved in the existing steam roads and competeing interurbans.
Nevertheless, a dismal sequence of troubles began to tarnish "the dream".Enough stock was sold in installments, to pay for the first 100 mile division east from Chicago.It was anticipated that as soon as this division began to make money, new investors would flock in to provide capitol to build the other divisions.A sharpe busieness depression in 1907 and 1908 cut off the sale of stock, and brought widespread defaulting on installment payments for stock already sold.
By the time money began to run out, some miles of mainline had been built westward from La Porte, Indiana. The Air Line found itself in possession of some magnificent track that led in terms of revenue traffic, from Nowhere to West Nowhere.Belatedly the company bent it's efforts in connecting links to nearby towns.It built an amusement park just outside La Porte that generated some travel, and it fought fierce battles to obtain feeder franchises in Gary and elsewhere.
The wirst headache for the Air Line by far was the impractically high construction specifications.To keep within the maximum grade limitation each overpass that bridged a steam railroad had to be flanked by enormous ramps that started almost a mile on either side of the crossing. They actually built several of these titanic embankments.Elsewhere across the gently rolling northern Indiana, even minor terrain undulations created enormous difficulties.The worst trouble was at a place called Coffee Creek, about a dozen miles from Gary. Here the adherance to specifications involved both a deep cut and a huge fill, 180 feet wide at the bottom, that marched accross 2 miles of valley! The pwoer shovles and dump cars worked month after month at this grand crossing steadlily pouring stockholders money into a mound of earth of enormous proportions.
Even with the Coffee Creek bypass completed, it was the ultimate undoing of the Air Line.By 1913 a kind of misshappen and unpromissing interurban system was patched together between La Porte, Valparisso,Gary,and Chicago.Less than 30 miles of it was the deads straight track built to Air Line standards.The rest was ordinary winding track.Amoung the cars operated by the company were two handsome Niles Cars with "NEW YORK "lettered in gold on the eastern end and "CHICAGO" at the other. These two and 30 muiles of arrow strait trackreaching towards the horrizon were all that remained of the dream.By 1926 this line folded some of it being taken up by the rival interurbans of the midwest.
Rob
Good evening Tom,you are indeed a nice boss taking on the whole bartending duties on this labour day. A fair amount of rounds have been bougth at that too . That is a cute little guy that Boris dragged in.The two names put forward so far are both good,I could hardly top them. However lets see "Willie " if it's a boy " willimina" if it's a girl.Of coarse taken from the Chilly Willie cartoons, a CBC thing so you folks may not have heard of them.I think a Keith's oh and one of the blues Nick has so nicley offered me to chase it down with.Thanks
Tom- Quite the impressive list of features from you sir shows the dedication of our Boss down here at the saloon.5xNice "mug" shots of you and Pete. A goodsite less frightening then our local creature / kitchen hand Boris.Tom , perhaps you should convert you house to all generator power,that outta PO the local utility company.I can't believe the prices some of them think that they an get away with.They woudn't have any atatchment to your Metrorail people would they Thsi is their way of paying for the cost overruns maybe.
Pete-Loved Alan's latest pics from Sunday.Always nice to see functioning steam, no matter where or no matter what guage
Doug-A fine two additional parts to your ongoing Q&A's. Some interesting bits of info there,I was supprised by the number of class ones listed for 1958.I had thought under one hundred for sure.As an interesting sidenote,most of the CASO (Canada Southern ) long shared and fought over by CN / CP has now been pulled up. A few bits are still operated as local switching routes in and out of St Thomas and a bit of it in Wellands still in place again being used by CP and the local shortline for local traffic interchange
Nick-Glad that you were able to gleen some info from those pictures. I actually took them this year over the July first long weekend !All three F's three there at that time.You might be able to make out one of the SD70's in the yard as well, it was burried behind the F's and was the only thing moving in the yard that day.On the other side of te property there was three end cupola cabooses in a very tatty silver developement road paint scheme. I couldn't get a clear shot of them.
Lars-Have a round on me sir,that way you won't loose any iof the cold out of your barfridge I've yet to spring for a generator, power tends to go out infequently around here,saturday was an unusual occurance.
Well back in a bit with a content post for the day.
Well good evening to one and all,hope you all enjoyed the holiday weekend despite the weather-we have had much the same and believe me,playing an outdoor show (as I did on sat. afternoon ) in these sort of conditions is not a good thing-I suspect the audience only stayed to see which one of us was electrocuted first,the sort of community spirit which made public executions such a popular pastime in the past.........
Right,I think a round for the house is in order,a Staropramen for me and perhaps an Alexander Keiths for the duty bartender ???
Speaking of gigs,if Mr Zillionaire wants an extra band for the wedding,we will be more than than happy to oblige for our usual fee-a free range of the buffet left-overs and half an hour unsupervised at the bar .
So-to business,TOM-Icould sense your outrage at our gas prices-the same $10 would also get you 2 beers,with perhaps enough change for a bag of crisps/chips,a bottle of frankly indifferent wine or a pack of 20 smokes but,as Homer would say "whatcha gonna do ?".
Good call on the movies-lordy lordy,Yul Brynner looked seriously cool in that film
My vote for the penguins name would have to be CHESTER given the taverns actual location........
RED P-Looking forward to FL9 feature-my love of F-units is no secret & the more unusual the better (of which more below)
DOUG-that pic of Boris is a pearl beyond price,almost exactly as I had originally visualised him-drinks on me for the night. Nice hit on the Vatican siding as well-I was aware of it`s existance but had never seen pictures (again,more below)-will pass on to my father-in-law who is both a train buff & a card carrying Opus Dei catholic
ROB-Fine pix of the bay there my man-the Labatts blues are on me,it is indeed a huge site(Nathan from the O.N.R site forwarded some maps to me)-when you add on the yards to the north & south it`s a lot of real estate.
Some spotter detail-pic 1 just about shows the "Cats"-perhaps the rarest of F-unit variant,pic 4 gives a better look-I`m guessing these arn`t recent,I understand at least 2 if not all 3 have now departed to an uncertain future.. pic 3 shows a 40` box in the mid `60`s "progressive" livery and out of site behind the white sheds in mid-foreground should be lurking a cut including one or two in the even older "development road "colours.
The Consolidation also very easy on the eye as is that C&NW livery-nice one mate,thanks
PETE-nice link on the Vatican siding-my understanding is that it is still in place but little used,if not completely mothballed-the state of the track in the pic of the gate would seem to bear this out ( rusty rails,weeds etc) although looking at some allegedly servicable lines round here I`m not taking bets..........
Fine shots of Mallow and surrounding area-particularly enjoyed the contrast between the Victorian elegance of the G.S.R J15 & the compact muscle of the N.C.C Jeep-and delightful to see the orange & the green working together-sorry,politics-when we came back through Rosslare this time it looked like the line to the turntable had been lifted and the table deck was being removed ( difficult to get up close-once the car stops moving you are within the customs fence-wont elaborate further.......) so I guess Steam excursions on the east coast line may be getting phased out..bah humbug,anyway thanks for those-as soon as I get this photo bucket thing worked out will return the favour
LARS-Hope you have resolved the weekends minor irritations-glad to see it hasn`t affected the unmistakeable ambience of our favourite watering hole-sounds like you have your priorities right anyway-there is no problem that is not reduced by looking at it through the bottom of a glass.
O.K then chaps -whose up for another round,school run in the morning followed by a day of replacing doors-whats wrong with the old ones ?-they open (mostly)-they close (usually)--anybody here understand womens minds ???????????
And some tunes before I go-The Monkees"Last train to Clarksville",R.E.M"Driver 8"the Stones"Dead flowers"&"Wild horses"Muddy Waters "Hoochie Coochie man",Robert Johnson "Crossroads blues" & Skip James "I`m so glad"-please excuse me if I sit in the corner and sing along-these are all songs I`m supposed to contribute lead or harmony vocals to and audience response suggests that practice makes perfect--eventually.......................
some time later.....
Well,a fine time again-I`ll take a couple of bottles of the Staropramen please TOM-please join me in a couple more Keiths and I`ll try the moonlight mile (must remember-turn right outside the door-last time I went left and fell off the edge of the baseboard-spoils the whole illusion
Many thanks for the company gents,speak soon,take care
nick(occaisional )
Hello again Tom, and I'm sure glad it's you behind the bar. Ever since I called Ruth "Baby Ruth", she refuses to serve me! Go figure
Great to see Lars on this lazy afternoon, and some nifty pix from yourself. Here's a little more stuff from me:
Q – How many railroad companies in the United States and Canada issue magazines for distribution to their employees?
A – Seventy. The combined circulation is more than 700,000. Most of them are distributed also to shippers, newspapers and magazine editors, etc.
Q - What is a Strobeacon?
A – A trade name for an electric lamp which produces a brilliant blue-white light, claimed to be seen up to five miles and especially effective in penetrating fog. It gives visible warning from a great distance to an approaching motorist, thus allowing sufficient time to stop his car. The lamp operates about 1000-volt surges from a condenser which is charged by a step-up transformer.
Q – What is the heaviest weight of rail in use today?
A – 136.2 pounds per yard.
Q – I have heard of a locality in South Dakota where trackside memorial services are held on each anniversary of a little boy’s death. Please give details.
A – It is the story of a brakeman’s devotion to a boy he never knew. One day in 1886, Bill Chambers, Chicago & North Western freight brakeman, spied a yellow-haired lad, a lone figure in the vast prairie, who waved as his train went by. A strange friendship grew between tem and the boy would wave each time from a certain spot. There came a day when Bills Chambers looked for him in vain. The little fellow was nowhere in sight. Bill saw that a newly made grave had been dug beside the track.
He learned that his friend had died of smallpox and had asked to be buried “where the train goes by and the man waves.” The brakeman marked the grave with a rectangle of stones. Each Memorial Day he planted fresh flowers on the little mound. Even after retiring, Bill would go back to the lonely spot as long as he could travel. He died in 1932, but his vigil became a tradition, and to this day a train stops once a year at a place not marked on the time-table, to show the world that “the little fellow” is still remembered.
Q – When did the railroads first use warning signs at grade crossings?
A – The earliest we know of was 1835 when Massachusetts enacted a law requiring such signs. The slogan “Stop, Look and Listen,” was not introduced until the 1880’s.
Sixteen Class I railroads are now using tie-spacers made of wrought iron, rather than wood, to keep crossties in place with minimum track maintenance and to reduce fire hazard.
For Baby Ruth
Good to see ya Lars and glad you have recovered from your power outage. Looks like there's at least two of us who are prepared with generators!
Thanx for being the 1st to come up with a suggested name for our Penguin - "Pengie" goes on the "list"!
Been really quiet 'round the joint this day and I'm in hopes that we'll see a few guyz show up this evening. Otherwise, it's No-Doze time for me! <grin>
Here's a Pix of the Kirkwood rail station where I begin and end most of my Amtrak trips . . . This building has been maintained over the years by volunteers, Amtrak and UP and is on the historic register. Quite a nice place to visit.
Here's a Pix of Pete and one my favorite "Fs" at the KCity Union Station yard . . .
And finally, here's moi in an Empire Builder observation car at the KCity Union Station yard . . .
G'day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!
A Happy Labor Day to all who have contributed their efforts to the productivity of your respective lands! Propreitor Tom, set 'em up and Boris, ring the bell! I'll have a frosty mug of Schaefer and some of those snacks on the tray.
Well, I no sooner said something about escaping the wrath of the storm and our power went out! Yup - a couple of trees in the neighborhood came down and so did the wires! We were without electricity until this morning. Been lotsafun! Forutnately, we're prepared and have a small generator to keep the essentials up 'n running - like the fridge (and cold beer!). Anyway, sorta ticks me off to have missed my first full day since the resumptiion of activity here at the Saloon by the Siding - broke my string.
A new mascot for the bar AND finally an image to "enjoy" of our cloven footed Cyclops - Boris! Nice! <grimmace> Now for the mascot - I'll have to give that a thought - cute lil' bugger and I suppose "Pengie" might be a name to consider. Yeah - let's go with "Pengie" from me.
Good spate of pix for Sunday from Doug - Rob 'n Pete! Also, nice seletion from Captain Tom for the movies. I've always liked both of those flicks, with there being enough difference between the two to really make for entertaining viewing. Don't know about the Stooges "short" - but undoubtedly will be as stupid as all the rest.
Mets have a night game after taking one on the chin from the Astros yesterday. Looks like your Cards have pulled away for some comfort as the final month gets into full swing. I think the team to beat, after St. Louis, in your division will be Houston - they are always tough in September. Should be interesting. A bit ho-hum here in the east with the question being will Philly pull off the wild card, although San Diego looks like they are going well out in the west.
Hope everyone is enjoying this day and making ready to earn a living once tomorrow gets here!
Until the next time!
Lars
Good morning Tom and friends on this rainy Labor Day. So much for the little horse riding trip my bride had planned with one of her friends. We still will head to the stable for the mandatory daily-spoiling of the horse. Oh yeah .. I had better get a light breakfast before leaving. Glad ya'll liked the Boris Icon. Use it however ya like. Use any of my "stuff" however ya like. Glad ya'll liked the VAtican Railway piee. I didn't know about it either until I saw it oin one of my magazines. Nifty films at the theatre this week. Magnificent Seven is one of my favorites. Thanks for the Northbay complex pix Rob, and especially the Consolidation.Magnificent pix from Pete yesterday as well, and thanks for the VCR information link! Very impressive index Tom, to be sure. Thanks!
Here's more "Information Booth" (June 1958) from me, and then I'll be back later.
Q - Which was the first railway station to have electric lighting?
A – The Philadelphia & Reading’s passenger and freight depot, which opened on April 10,1885, at Sunbury, Pa. Current came from Edison Electric Illuminating Co., which Thomas A. Edison founded at Sunbury in 1882. These facts are verified by the Edison Electric Institute of New York City. The Sunbury depot building is still existent ( in 1958) but is leased to a feed and grain store.
Q – Would the dynamic brake on a diesel locomotive have the same holding power as that of a steam engine with reversed valves and a slightly-opened throttle on a train heading downhill?
A – H.L. Kelso, an authority on locomotive types, points out that a diesel’s dynamic brake must be handled carefully, as it is merely a “holding brake” and not effective for slowing down heavy trains on steep grades. On some, depending on the steepness and train tonnage, maximum dynamic braking may not be sufficient to hold desired speed. It is at this point that the automatic brake is applied.
Momentum for forward thrust of a heavy train descending a grade would soon overpower the piston thrust of a steam locomotive, and if no other method of holding the train were available, a runaway would result. Even a locomotive with all brakes set could not hold back a heavy train once it had started the descent.
A light engine can be stopped by reversing the valves and applying a wide-open throttle, the stopping distance being governed by the forward momentum and weight of the engine, and there would be no continuous forward thrust as would occur with a heavy train descending a heavy grade. There is no known theory on how to stop or hold a train on a down grade without applying hand or airbrakes.
Q – What is the highest railroad in the British Commonwealth?
A – The Uganda, now part of the East African Railways, which goes from the Indian Ocean port of Mombasa up to Kampala, Uganda’s biggest city. The journey takes 47 hours and carries passengers from 70 feet above sea level to 9,130 feet.
Q – Occasionally I see boxcars marked “Canada Southern Railway” (CASCO), but no such road is listed in the Official Guide. Why not?
A – It is part of the Michigan Central in the New York Central System.
Q – Is it true that a railroad train once raced an airplane and won?
A – Yes. On Sept. 9, 1910, such a race was staged in Chicago to Springfield, Illinois.
Walter R. Brookins, the plane’s pilot, established the first airline route in the state and won the $10,000 prize offered by the Record-Herald. He flew the 187 miles at an average of 33 mph in seven hours, nine minutes, including 84 minutes lost while waiting for a special train to bring supplies of gasoline. Deducting time lost on the ground, he made the flight in 5 hours, 45 minutes.
Schedule time for the Illinois Central’s de luxe Daylight Special was 4 hours, 47 minutes.
Q – When was the first large-scale main-line juice project undertaken in the United States?
A – The Long Island Rail Road, in 1904. LIRR operated the first electric train in 1905. The New York Central and West Jersey & Seashore lines followed in 1906; the New Haven in 1907.
Q – What is the cost per train-mile to operate a passenger train?
A – The answer depends on type of motive power, size and makeup of train, number of persons required for operation, length and nature of run, number of stops, etc. For example, in 1956 the cost of operating an average passenger train was $6.83 per train-mile, broken down as follows:
Train movement and maintenance of equipment expenses (personnel, fuel and supplies, engine terminal expenses, injuries to persons, signal and crossing-protection-operation, locomotive and car repairs, and depreciation), $4.63. General and overhead (salaries, office supplies, legal, insurance, pensions, sales, advertising and miscellaneous operations), $.88. Maintenance of track and structures, $.55. Rental of equipment and facilities used jointly with other roads, $.06.
Q – What is the longest railway tunnel on the North American Continent?
A – The Cascade in Washington State, seven miles, 4,191 feet, followed by the Moffat in Colorado, six miles, 1,119 feet, the Connaught in Canada, five miles, 117 feet, the Hoosac in Massachusetts, four miles, 3,690 feet; and the Mount Royal in Canada, three miles, 804 feet. These five are listed in the Directory of Railway Officials and Yearbook among the world’s forty-nine longest railway tunnels. There are forty-one in Europe, two in Asia, and two in New Zealand.
Q – How many Class I roads are in the United States? (1958)
A – There are 113
Q – What is the function of the converted railroad car that bears the inscription, University of Minnesota?
A – It is a mobile laboratory used by the University scientists to determine basic causes of heart disease, in order to prove or disprove the theory that sedentary jobs have any bearing on the high incidence of coronary ailments. Technicians have been using this rolling laboratory to work with groups of railroad employees of the Northwest.
Q – What is a relay train?
A – A freight that switches from one yard to another in the same terminal area.
Q – Has the Long Island always been a commuter railroad?
A – No. It was built originally in 1834 to provide the fastest route between New York and Boston. In those days, the many hills and rivers between the two cities made railroad construction impossible. As an alternative, passengers traveled from Brooklyn to Greenport (on Long Island’s northeastern finger of land) over level country at 25 mph, and ferried across to Stronington, Conn., then on to Boston by the Old Colony Road (now the New Haven). The entire trip took 10 hours and cost $10.
Four old guys play golf every Wednesday. Upon returning home, Frank's wife askes how his
Tom’s INDEX, thru Aug 2006recommended for "bookmarking"
An easy way to find the pages shown is to cut ‘n paste this URL into the address bar on your browser:
http://www.trains.com/trccs/forums/384/448217/ShowPost.aspx#448217
Next – replace the “384” with the page you want to be directed to. That’s it . . .
Fallen Flags (passenger ops): 106/150/253/343 SP ………. 106/150/293 MP ……….. 108/155/170/314 WP
109/182/318 Frisco ………… 112/187/323 CNR …….. 112/182 Heralds
114/195/336 ACL …………… 115/195/361 SAL ……… 116/195/379 D&RGW
118/181 RI …………………… 119/202/332 D&H …….. 120/144 PRR
122/144/370 NYC …………… 124/202 UP ……………. 125/203 AT&SF
127/203/234/339 B&O ……… 128/204 CM&StP ……….129/205/320 CB&Q
130/205 Soo Line …………… 133/205 C&NW …………134/206 SP&S
136/213 GN …………………. 139/216/307 B&M ……….140/218 NH
141/219/141 MEC ………….. 142/221 BAR …………….145/226 NP
146/231 L&N …………………147/237 WRR ……………148/234 C&O
148/243 KCS …………………151/250 N&W ……………152/256 Erie
152/263/299 IC ………………154/271 NPR …………….155/280 SOU
156/284 CGW ………………. 157/290 RDG ……………158/290 MON
159/305 IT …………………… 162/311 LV …………….. 163 GM&O
164 Extra
Passenger Train Nostalgia:
110/181/323 ………. MKT Combined Fallen Flag and Ads
112/207/355 ………. CNR Ad - Super Continental Time Table
113/144/356 ………. #1 ”Start ups” 1800s & early 1900s
117/144/326 ………. #2 Ad - Vista-Dome sleeper obs-lounge
121/174/356 ………. #3 Ad - CP Hotels & Lodges
127/202/234/339 ….. B&O Ad - Strata-Dome (1956)
127/219/234/339 ….. B&O Ad – Diesel Electric Trains (1956)
129/174/356 ………. #4 Ad - CN Hotels, Ltd.
130/206/372 ………. Great Britain #1 Poster - East Coast Route
133/221/368 ………. #5 Poster - CP 1886
133/211/368 ………. #6 Poster - CP 1950s
134/244/383 .……… #7 Poster - Washington & Old Dominion Railway
135/226/387 ….…… Great Britain #2 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137/231/387 ….…… Great Britain #3 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137/231/362 ………. #8 Ad – GN (1956)
139/237 …………… #9 Ads – GN (1956)
140/237/362 ………. #10 Ad – UP
141/250 …………… Nostalgia 1956 Hotel Ads
142/257 …………… Nostalgia Fairbanks-Morse motive power Ad
143/257 …………… #11 Ad - PRR – The Jeffersonian
145/259 …………… #12 Ad – NP
146/263/324 …….… #13 Ad – L&N
146/257 …………… Great Britain #4 Poster (18
I've given Ruth the day off - Labor Day - so you'll be seeing me behind the bar for the remainder of the day and into the night - Leon has the night off as well. What a boss, eh
Photo Posting Sunday! belonged to Rob, Doug' n Pete - nice work, boyz!
Here's an article from our local bird cage liner (aka: newspaper) that you may find of interest on this holiday . . .
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/editorialcommentary/story/04CDA07DC8E27004862571DD00083207?OpenDocument
Pete - here's an excerpt from the article on the Stones from our paper (Sep 3rd) PARTY LIKE A ROCK STAR: Whitney Kroenke, Wal-Mart heiress and daughter of Stan and Ann Kroenke, is set to wed former Warsaw, Mo., football star Ben Burditt in Columbia, Mo., on Sept. 23. The wedding will be six days shy of Whitney's 29th birthday. Word around Mizzou-town is that Stan is bringing in the Rolling Stones to play at the wedding and is trying to get a helicopter pad built on the property surrounding his sprawling house so he can chopper the rockers over from the Columbia airport.
PARTY LIKE A ROCK STAR: Whitney Kroenke, Wal-Mart heiress and daughter of Stan and Ann Kroenke, is set to wed former Warsaw, Mo., football star Ben Burditt in Columbia, Mo., on Sept. 23. The wedding will be six days shy of Whitney's 29th birthday. Word around Mizzou-town is that Stan is bringing in the Rolling Stones to play at the wedding and is trying to get a helicopter pad built on the property surrounding his sprawling house so he can chopper the rockers over from the Columbia airport.
Let's not forget that tomorrow (Tuesday) is our "Theme for the Day!" - the New Haven!
I expect things to be rather slow 'round the Tavern by the Tracks, so let's just take it on a slow bell . . .
Enjoy the day!
Hi Rob
Just caught your posts. Glad to know the buffet is still going and thanks for the great photos.
Pete.
Hi Tom and all.
I guess the foods gone so I will put the in the mail slot.
DAVE. Looking forward to the answer to the SP livery question I have a feeling I have read some thing about the diesels but cannot being it to mind.
DOUG The image of BORIS on a Sunday morning is scary. An excellent post on the Vatican Railway, like Tom I did not know of its existance untill your post. I have found this link about it and it seems as though it is still used today.
http://www.sinfin.net/railways/world/vatican/vaticanrail.html#Origini
NICK Enjoyed your post of last night and looking forward to the pics of #5051. I will try and find the mag with the Irish Beet article in. The pic at the bottom of Page 386, of 45407, is heading a special to your part of the world via the Central Wales line.
TOM I did enjoy those Encores, and if DL sees them perhaps he may add something about them. I had not read anything about the Stones coming to this part of the world, perhaps they may give me a free ride to the old land, do you think, and would I survive the journey..
Now to this weeks pics from Alan.
At MALLOW in Ireland on May 6th this year.
0-6-0 loco #186, one of a select group of locos that has steamed in three centuries having been built in the 1880s.
The special train chaged locos at Mallow.
Derby built class WT 2-6-4 tank loco #4 , known as the Jeep at Limerick Junction
BANTEER station looking west with the trackbed of the Newmarket branch going to the right past the level crossing The bay from which the trains for the branch departed is on the right behind the fence.
Hopefully the pics should enlarge.
I have not seen the Judgement at Nuremburg but it sounds a film well worth seeing and The Magnificent Seven was one of the best Westerns ever made, with the Stooges providing the comedy, a great week at the Emporium
Okay one more dropping of photo's while I finish up some of the delicasies on the brunch buffet.
These frist two are shots of the restored TH&B Consolidation # 103 at Westfield pioneer village near Kitchener Ontario. The loco is static dispaly only and sits on a piece of track from the old washed out TH&B Watreford line. The Jerseyville TH&B station is also at this location moved there in 1975.
A couple more C&NW shots from my pillgramige to C&NW territory in 1995 just to round out this weeks theme railway.
Enjoy Rob
Okay some photo's for photo Sunday, can't let one slip by with out. Also Boris H&H haven't slipped anything into the brunch buffet that shouldn't be there have they Why am I asking you anything bizarre that they may have added would be normal to you wouldn't it.
So for Nick a few highlights of ONR's North Bay Shop Complex.
The last one I don't think I had posted here yet but it gives an idea of the breadth and scope of the ONR's main shops in Northbay.
Good afternoon everyone,sorry 'bout the unexplained absence yesterday but our freind "ernesto" dropped a line of T-storms on us for most of the day,we survived it however,power got zapped for about two hours apparently someone doesn't know how to drive in the rain and took out a hydro pole one street over city didn't replace it until the stroms passed,nice showing from late friday & saturday. Good show guys
Tom-loved the brit rail encores sir if that doesn't flush DL out I don't know what will.Today's movie choices are good ones as well. The magnificent 7 is one of dad's favourites.I'm glaad we sorted out that ruth / Ruthie thing, and yes Doug finally captured the "good" side of Boris
Bk-Welcome back to you and yours sir. Boris has kept your stool spit polished ( litterally )Always nice to have our northwestern connections back.
Nick-LOL the tattoo joke reminds me of a former girlfriend ( less said the better )The Lake is wonderfull,I'll repost a couiple of the photo's today for you just cause I'm a nice guy
Doug-Great photo spread / story on the vatican rr's. Like Tom I wouldn't have even known it had existed if it wasn't for your article. Oh abd that Boris pic is a keeper
Dave-Great locomotive articles from the sp sir 5x for them. They are truly what we are about around here.Just a wild stab but I would guess that the paint scheme's you are refering too are perhaps the U-boats and small EMD switchers that recieved the Kodachrome failed SP/ATSF merger paint job.
Apologies if I left anyone out
oh P-declairing tuesday FL9 day as well means we expect a nice spread of photo's and or info on those wonderfull locomotives,which of coasre will dovetail quite nicly into what we do round these parts.
Even though the bar at ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s –
We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!
NOW PLAYING at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!
. . . Sunday, September 3rd thru 9th: Judgment at Nuremberg (1961) starring: Spencer Tracey, Burt Lancaster, Richard Widmark – and – The Magnificent Seven (1960) starring: Yul Brynner, Eli Wallach, Steve MacQueen, Charles Bronson. SHORT: Whoops, I’m an Indian! (1936)
Judgment at Nuremberg (1961)
PLOT SUMMARY: It has been three years since the most important Nazi leaders had already been tried. This trial is about 4 Judges who used their offices to conduct Nazi sterilization and cleansing policies. Retired American Judge, Judge Dan Haywood has a daunting task ahead of him. The Cold War is heating up and no one wants any more trials as Germany, and allied Governments, want to forget the past. But is that the right thing to do is the question that the tribunal must decide.
from: www.imdb.com
The Magnificent Seven (1960)
PLOT SUMMARY: A remake of ''The Seven Samurai'', this American version star Yul Brenner, Charles Bronson, Steve McQueen, and Robert Vaughn, just to name a few. They are picked to guard a Mexican village from Banditos that come every now and then to take whatever the town has grown since their last visit. When they are hired, they go to the town and teach the villagers how to defend themselves. When the leader of the bandits come ,they fight him and his men off. the second time he comes the villagers give the seven to them, due to a heated argument. The leader of the bandits take their guns and throw them out of town he gives them horses and gives their guns back to them when they are far out of town. The seven decide that they aren't going to run, and head back to the village for a final showdown.
Whoops, I’m an Indian! (1936)
PLOT SUMMARY: Featuring Moe, Larry and Curly The Stooges are in a frontier town running a crooked gambling game. They are caught cheating and must make a run for it. While hiding in the woods, they are discovered by the sheriff and flee into Pierre’s cabin. They dress up as Indians and fool the sheriff. They return to town where Pierre falls for Curly (who's dressed as a female Indian) and takes her as his wife. When he learns "she" is a "he", the boys must make a getaway.
The Stooges are in a frontier town running a crooked gambling game. They are caught cheating and must make a run for it. While hiding in the woods, they are discovered by the sheriff and flee into Pierre’s cabin. They dress up as Indians and fool the sheriff. They return to town where Pierre falls for Curly (who's dressed as a female Indian) and takes her as his wife. When he learns "she" is a "he", the boys must make a getaway.
from: www.threestooges.net
Yes, it is SUNDAY and the bar is CLOSED - however, we are observing our Photo Posting Day! along with breakfast - brunch - lunch (ends at 2 PM) for all who care to join us!
Just a few words . . . good to see Nick wander on in (censored, or not!) and must make mention of his acknowledgment of Ruth from Ruthie. Now we've gotten that straightened out . . . perhaps we can focus on something more important - like the difference between Maffia and Maffei! Catch that, Dave!! Good one, Nick!
Here's one for ya - a Missouri zillionaire's daughter is to be wed this fall in the central part of the state (not far from where Wolfman lives) - anyway, reports in the local paper have it that the zillionaire is planning to have the Stones perform at the wedding reception! He's going to construct a helo pad on his spacious property, so the story goes, solely for the purpose of ferrying the band in from the airport for the gathering. Now, how's that for excess I'm sure he could've gotten Nick's band for a hulluva lot less money along with much more down-to-earth interaction!
Doug, that's a fantastic spread on the Vatican's railway - never heard of it and doubt I would have if it wasn't for you! Nice selection, fer sure, fer sure - a 5- for you, Mate!
Also - the character you found for Boris is right on the mark! May I use it regularly - I'll load it into my PhotoBucket if it's okay with you. Been looking for something "appropriate" and you really came up with a great find!
I'll be around for the day - but a bit later on. Have things to attend to.
Boris is taking care of the place this AM, since the bar is CLOSED - so enjoy the Bill o' Fare!
Good morning guys! Please set me up with a few light breakfasts, which reminds me that we need to be mindful of OP house rule # 27, which states: “Proper digestion of food is important. Please refrain from discussions involving Boris whenever food is being consumed.”
Here’s a little something to read along with the free eats. An article on the Vatican City Railway from the Nov. 1950 Railway Magazine. Bon appetite!
Overshadowed by the dome of St. Peter’s Basilica is Vatican City’s imposing station.
Terminus of freight-only VCR. Line connects with Italy’s big steel.
Of the millions of travelers who visit Rome during this Holy Year 1950 – and undoubtedly there will be railfans among them – not one will boast of a trip to the Eternal City’s unique shortline, the Vatican City Railway. For packages, not pilgrims, comprise the VCR’s traffic.
Constructed in the late 1920s to facilitate the delivery of the thousands of parcels and letters that daily enter Vatican City – seat of the reigning Pontiff of the Roman Catholic Church – the Vatican City Railway is of no appreciable length. But size here is of no importance: the sovereign state it serves is only 108.7 acres in all, an area that covers barely one-sixth of one square mile. Yet this miniature freight-only railway owns a station that would do justice to any carrier, large or small. An imposing structure of stone and glass, it stands within the shadow of the dome of St. Peter’s Basilica.
Unloading mail and gift parcels addressed to Vatican City’s 3000 residents. Packages are stored in freight station for examination and, in the case of food and clothing, for forwarding to the needy of Italy and neighboring war-torn countries. Archway at rear of train marks border line between Italy and sovereign state of Vatican City
Vatican City Station houses only space for sorting and storing of mail and freight shipped in daily to the 3000 residents of the city. Carloads are hauled into the terminal by an Italian State Railways locomotive that is always ready to maneuver freight from ITS rails onto those of the VCR. Operations run on a daylight schedule. At night an electrically controlled gate blocks off the stone archway leading into the Vatican. Thus the border between Italy and Vatican City is closed after dark.
Freight cars, operating personnel and track maintenance for the shortline are provided by the Italian government. When it comes to unloading the freight cars, however, Vatican City furnishes its own manpower. The joint operation is one result of Lateran Treaty of 1929. It is thanks to this treaty that freight cars roll up to St. Peter’s back door.
Italian State switcher – a Toonerville type according to U.S. standards – is on permanent assignment at Vatican City. Because line is blocked at night by an electrically controlled wooden gate, freight movements are restricted to daylight hours. Coat-of-arms on arch is that of late Pope Pius XI, under whose pontificate the railway was built in 1929.
A man is sitting down in front of the fire place and is reading the Bible. His wife comes in and looks down at him and says, "Why do you always sit there and read that thing, what does it help?"He looks up at her and says, "I read it because it has an answer and examples of everything."After giving her husband a weird look, she says, "In that case I want you to find an example of where a woman had PMS in the Bible, and I'll even give you until tomorrow."So, he goes along with the deal.She comes back out the next day and says, "So, did you find it?"He slyly smiles and says, "Yeah, when Joseph was taking Mary to Bethlehem, she was riding his *** the whole way there!"
Hi all-just a quickie as I am currently typing with my nose due to excessive beer consumption earlier..
DAVE-just a guess here but could it be the Krauss-Maffei units ???
BK-A warm welcome back to you and yours
PETE-gotta have a crack at catching the last freight working in Ireland-wish me luck-also got some pix of the steam excursion down to Fishguard recently-celebrating Brunels 150th anniversary or some such-castle class "Earl Bathhurst/Druswlynn Castle"with about 12 on.
Only guessing here but presumed it ran loco first as far as Carmarthen,turned on the triangle and was led into Fishguard by a class 50 on the back-made a beautiful sight(and sound ) lifting them back out-a huge plume of (very black) smoke-bad coal I guess ,but looked most impressive-and,not too clean either-looked like a working engine,she normally shuttles up and down about a quarter mile of track at the Great Western Society`s track at Didcot,nice to see her stretching her legs...
Right-whoever suggested that I might confuse our lovely Ruth with that cycle *** who hangs out around the coffee shop-shame on you............entirerly different tattoos for a start
Apologies to everyone else-critical mass has been acheived ( an afternoon show today-started drinking early)-I presume sunday is still the day of rest ???
Will try to catch up on monday,enjoy the rest of the holiday weekend,love to all ,nick
As nighfall as arrived here in mid-continent USA it appears as if we've had a most interesting Saturday - a bit short on the Encores - but thanx to Pete at least I wasn't the Lone Ranger in that area! Appreciate your retrieval efforts - Pete - it ain't as easy as it once was, eh [?} Anyway, those ENCORES! were especially for you with a bit of hope that DL from the UK might show up!
Good to see the conversation going on between Lars and Dave - interesting perspectives. Very happy to see the return of BK - that can only bode well for the days to come.
Yeah - some time back some "nut job" <grin> suggested a marriage was in the offing for Boris - ain't no way, no how that will ever happen.
Great SP "stuff" - as always - from Dave and of course always willing to engage in the introspective aspects of our banter. I suppose, like hemorrhoids, we all have to put up with something - ie: civilians "in" the military!
BK from the description, surely appears as if you and Lydia covered quite a bit of ground during the past week. Actually had an opportunity to rub some esteemed elbows, eh Good for you. From my very limited vantage point, I'd say the Premier has done a credible job for the Province during his tenure. If only we could say as much for all in high places!
I see red P has returned - Leon, he thinks you are Ruth! Must be that "cute" outfit you're wearing! <grin> Anyway, so you are 'declaring' for our Tuesday "theme day" eh That can only mean YOU muist contribute! We're looking forward to it.
Hope to see some activity for tomorrow's Photo Posting Sunday - but if not - so be it.
So, let me leave with this until we open again on Monday morning - ring the bell Boris - drinks on me! Leon, give 'em what they want!
Ruth, Jack and coke please.
Well im back in town for a little while anyway. Looks like I have to labor on labor day though.Also, I am glad that everyone enjoyed the link I posted.
Lars forgot your keys to the forum uh?
Dave hiding overtime from the mrs. ? Watch it you may be trying to hide assets from her lawyer.
Tom New Haven? ok that sounds good. And while were at it I also declare it fl9 day.
P
HI Tom and all.
During a break from the home improvements and a Bathams would go down a treat RUTH.
NICK I have acouple of pics of Mallow lined up for tomorrow. I am sure that I read in a recent Railway Magazine that the BEET factory in Mallow is about to close with a loss of the rail traffic. It may be a good idea to check into this before you go, can you let me know if you do find out about it. The tattoo joke made me out loud.
DAVE Thanks for the SP diesel post. It shows how much the diesel loco was improved in the 60s.
BK Great to see you back. Sorry you are suffering with the new forum format. It took me a long while to get the encore posts below. Good job the computer had some of the old forum page numbers still.
LARS I for one would enjoy to hear some of the ship diesel and turbine info.
TOM Many thanks for the two UK encores I have found ( eventully) what I posted at the time
FOR page 135
Another great G.B. passenger train nostalgia.I see the 8 hour agreement was in force when this was issued. The 10.00AM departure became THE ROYAL SCOT, the 2.00PM train was known as THE CORRIDOR as it was one the first trains on the L&NWR to have this facility allowing the use of the Dining car for all passengers. This train was formed of magnificent 12-wheelers and the Royal train was for many years of this slightly modified stock. I believe the livery was called Plum and Spilt Milk. Some of the Royal cars are preservrd in the National Railway Museum at York. this train became The Mid-day Scot. Talking of the Royal Scot reminds me that in B.R. days it was worked in steam days by the L.M.S. premier locos the 4-6-2 Princess Coronation or Duchess class (SEMIs to us). There was a change of loco between Glasgow and London but for one glorious summer in the late 50s the Polmadie(Glasgow) loco would work through bringing rare locos like Duchesses of Athol and Montrose through Rugby.
for Page 137.
Another great G. B. nostalgia. I suspect the Caledonian Grampian Corridor coaches would be quite similar to the L&NWR stock,athough I am not too sure about that. The Caledonian had some very handsome locomotives and the passenger ones were painted Caledonian blue. The loco which usually worked the 2PM from London was usually the pride of the Caledonian fleet, a 4-6-0 # 903 named Cardean. There is a magnificent Single Wheeler #123 preserved in Glasgow as part of the Scottish collection. As NICK says there was great rivalry at the time. In Scotland the Caledonian main competitors were the Glasgow & South Western rly. between Glasgow and Carlisle and the Glasgow suburbs. And the North British Rly. North and East of Glasgow.
I noticed on Page 137 there was talk of BORIS getting married
Interesting piece on Overtime, it paid for many a rail trip, but it caused more arguements than any thing else.
Just time for another quick Bathams then back to work.
PETE>
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
GREAT BRITAIN PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #3
from multiple sources first Posted on page 137
Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains, this time from Great Britain! Check this pre-WWI poster out!
LONDON & NORTH WESTERN & CALEDONIAN RAILWAYS
TRAVEL BY WEST COAST ROUTE BETWEEN ENGLAND & SCOTLAND
Comfort – Punctuality – Speed
QUICKEST & BEST ROUTE BETWEEN ALL PARTS of
ENGLAND and SCOTLAND
PASSENGERS BY THE WEST COAST ROUTE
MAY HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF TRAVELLING BY THE
NEW “GRAMPIAN CORRIDOR” DINING CAR TRAINS
of the CALEDONIA COMPANY in SCOTLAND.
WEST COAST NIGHT EXPRESS LONDON (Euston) & SCOTLAND
The Finest Vehicles in Europe, Vestibule Throughout.
BREAKFAST, LUNCHEON & DINING CARS.
Passengers
traveling between England and the North of Scotland
can go via EDINBURGH (Princes Street) and break their
journey there, in both directions, without extra charge or inconvenience,
and after visiting the places of interest in Edinburgh, resume their
journey North or South from the same Station by the
"GRAMPIAN CORRIDOR"
or other Express Trains.
Here's my Encore for this Saturday - with one update. You've seen it B4, but I'm going to run this weekly until we all get familiar with its contents . . .
=========================================================Weekly Schedule of EventsSunday - Bar is CLOSED - Food service is available for breakfast, brunch 'n lunch.Pix Posting Day.Monday thru Saturday: Breakfast - brunch - lunch.Tuesday - Classic Trains "theme day" - next up - New Haven!!Wednesday - Toy 'n Model trains day (optional)Thursday - Fish 'n Chips nite - begins at 5 PMFriday - Pizza 'n Beer nite AND Steak 'n Fries nite - begins at 5 PMSaturday - Steak nite - begins at 5 PMEncore Saturday (optional)"Our" Place StaffBossman, Proprietor and Mentor: Siberianmo TomChief Cyclops - BorisChief Bartender (nites - begins at 5 PM) - LeonChief Bartender (days - begins at 9 AM) - Ruth
Chief Chef - H&H (interim)Gals of "Our" Place - Ruth (redhead) - Ann (blonde) - Lucy (brunette) - Jemima (raven)Mascots of "Our" Place - Juneau the Siberian Husky - Awk the Parrot and Tex the ArmadilloSecurity Force - Inspector Cluess of the Local Constabulary and Mr. Doyle, Private EyeBar Chandler - Trolleyboy RobChief Chef - open (temporarily filled by H&H)Bar Manager - LoveDomes Lars (newly appointed)Birthday Watch List and special celebrationsMaintained by Tom and continuance to be determined.ProtocolGreet the barkeep upon visiting the bar - each time.Order a drink or food. (Coffee and soft drinks are free with food orders, otherwise 5 bucks per cup)Acknowledge the other guys and be inclusive with comments.Order of the Stools (reserved and permanent)Maintained by Tom and continuance to be determined.Most Valuable Patron - MVPMaintained by Tom and continuance to be determined.Daily SummarySuspended and resumption to be determined by Tom.=====================================================
G’day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!
Most interesting read from the left coast – Dave - I’ve always thought that to truly harness the raw potential of the turbine would be the answer to not only the needs of the railroads, but for all sorts of transportation – ships being uppermost in my mind. Nuclear powered turbines. Always appreciate your input and one of these days I'll dazzle you with my knowledge of diesels, turbines and the like. Just something I've kinda kept to myself since I've become a land lubber.
Ruth, always a pleasure to feast upon your radiant beauty as I drift into that world of “If only I knew here when I was 40 years younger!” <grin> But, reality jolts me back to this time and place – so I’ll have a frosty mug of Schaefer and a foot long Hero – ham, Swiss, mustAHd ‘n buttAH with two large pickles from the barrel. And a saucer of brine for that little rascle over there – Tex the Armadillo.
We're experiencing a some periods of rather heavy rain, gusty winds but nothing severe. So, looks like we're going to survive this latest onslaught from mother nature. A bit surprised the Yanks are playing - although they are in a rain delay - as the forecast was accurate, this time! Mets are in Houston for a night game as they roll towards their Division Championship.
So, what’s this about civilians “in” the military From my background – all shipboard in the USN – we didn’t have any! Now, I do recall interacting with ‘em at the shipyards, supply offices and other assorted haunts where they dwell. <grin> But, I figured they were there taking a shore job away from some poor sailor who was being screwed just a bit more into remaining at sea. Never looked at ‘em as being “in” the Navy – just there, kind of like door stops, coat hangers and other trappings of the organization. But as with my evil thoughts of above, that was way back then and this is now. Haven’t the foggiest how it all fits together – but when I read and hear about the situation in the services today and the utter botch job going on at the Pentagon with the contracted civilian organizations who now feed, cloth and otherwise administer to the military – I gotta wonder how we let ourselves drag anchor that much.
The return of BK brings a smile to my cyber being and it’s good to know that all’s well. So, you run in those political circles, do ya Or better put, your lady does is probably more like it. Never had the opportunity to get up close ‘n personal with anyone in high elected office and given my propensity to open mouth and insert foot, it’s probably a good thing – for them! I’ve always figured that the majority of the politicians all have this noble thought to make a positive dent – but wind up becoming more as part of the problem than the solution. Pure anecdotal BS – I know – but just seems that way to me. Bottom line, they all put there pants on one leg at a time, but at some point really get off with the power and prestige bit. Not for me. Anyway – glad to see ya and hope you’ll be around the place for awhile.
Captain Tom – that’s an interesting piece on the Brit RRs you provided as an Encore. Wonder if that chap we’ve spoken with over on your Canadian Passenger RR thread will ever view it We know Pete has and will again. All this talk we’ve had about the RRs in the UK makes me want to kick myself for not taking advantage of the opportunities I had – years ago – to take those rail trips I passed up for other things. Ah well, can’t have a “do over,” but surely can think about the next time!
Nick, that’s quite a piece you dropped on us last night! Still grinning about the – brings back memories of some tattooed gals in far away places. <grin> Good to see you about the decks and hope these visits are positive signs of your resumption of activities here at the Saloon by Siding!
Boris - ring the bell! A round on the Larsman!
One more Ruth – then I’m gonna post my Encore and skedaddle!
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