Significant events in Canadian RR History
during the month of August.
Caveat: Much of the information appearing was gathered from internet sources, with credit to “Colin Churcher’s Railway Pages” at http://www.railways.incanada.net/
* 1853 - The Great Western Railway opens its main line between Windsor and Niagara Falls. The Great Western went on to build, lease or buy other railways throughout Southern Ontario, and it can be claimed to be the first Canadian system. The Galt Branch was opened on August 21st, 1854.
* 1856, August 11th - The Grand Trunk Railway opens its broad gauge line between Oshawa to Toronto.
* 1860, August 1st - European and North American Railway opens from Saint John, NB to Shediac. The line became part of the Intercolonial Railway on July 1, 1867
* 1877, August - First use of the telephone to dispatch trains. This was at the Caledonia Mine at Glace Bay on the Sydney Mines Railway. One of the owners was Gardiner G. Hubbard who was the father in law of Alexander Graham Bell who installed two telephones to control train movements.
* 1879, August 12th - The Intercolonial Railway gains access to Quebec by purchasing the Grand Trunk line between Quebec and Rivière du Loup.
* 1882, August 12th - Great Western Railway, controlling 1,009 miles of track is merged into the Grand Trunk System.
* 1883, August 10th - First train reaches Calgary.
* 1886, August 13th - Sir John A MacDonald drives the last spike at mile 25, Cliffside, on the Esquimalt and Nanaimo Railway on Vancouver Island. The line became part of Canadian Pacific in 1905.
* 1900, August 15th - Regular service is commenced over the 3'0" gauge White Pass and Yukon Railway between Skagway, Alaska and Whitehorse, Yukon.
* 1907, August 29th - The bridge under construction across the St. Lawrence at Quebec falls killing 75 men.
* 1909, August - Canadian Pacific completes the Kicking Horse grade relocation on the main line between Hector and Field, B.C. by substituting two spiral tunnels and lengthened line on a grade of 2.2% compensated, for the old "Big Hill" straight grade of 4.5%.
* 1907, August 29th - The south cantilever arm of the Quebec Bridge over the St. Lawrence collapsed killing 65 or more workmen.
* 1919, August 25th - a Canadian Pacific special train conveys the Prince of Wales from Montreal to Toronto returning to Montreal over the same route on 2 November 1919. Locomotives 2225 and 2231 were used. The Prince ran the locomotive from Flavelle to Trenton (20.9 miles) on the return trip.
* 1927, August 6th - The third Toronto Union Station is opened officially by Edward, Prince of Wales. It was opened to the public on August 11, but passengers had to walk across to the old station tracks. The first day on which trains used the new, elevated, tracks through the new station platform was January 31, 1930.
* 1929, August 26th - Canadian National Railways place in service, hauling the second section of the "International Limited" between Montreal and Toronto, the first road diesel electric passenger locomotive. This locomotive, no. 9000, consisted of two units, weighing a total of 335 tons.
* 1944, August - Canadian National commences tests, in the Montreal Terminal, with two way radio for the transmission of instructions to locomotive and switching crews.
* 1950, August 11th - General Motors opens its plant at London, ON, for the building of diesel electric locomotives.
* 1950, August 22nd - The railway system is paralyzed by a nationwide railway strike. Services were resumed on August 31.
* 1951, August 26th - Canadian railways adopt the Uniform Code of Operating Rules for train operation purposes.
* 1955, August 13th - A causeway is officially opened across the Strait of Canso between Cape Porcupine and Balache Point, Nova Scotia. This involved a 14 mile main line diversion for the rerouting of railway traffic linking directly Cape Breton Island with the mainland. Previous movements were by car ferry across the Strait of Canso. The causeway was completed on May 14th.
* 1956, August 27th - – A formal opening ceremony took place for the Pacific Great Eastern Railway between North Vancouver and Prince George, BC.
* 1958, August 9th - Canada's longest running named train "Moccasin" (trains 25 and 26) ceases running between Montreal and Brockville. Although unofficial, it had been used almost since the train service went into operation on November 19, 1855.
* 1959, August 30th - Last streetcar runs in Montreal.
* 1994, August 29th - The Windsor and Hantsport Railway commences operation in Nova Scotia.
* 1997, August 20th - Hudson Bay Railway, owned by Omnitrax of Denver, Colorado, takes over the operation of the former CN lines between The Pas, Flin Flon, Lyn Lake and Churchill, Man.
* 1999, August - Manitoba Southern Railway takes over operation of the CN line from Morris to Elgin (Miami and Hartney subdivisions).
* 2001, August 16th - Canadian Pacific 4-6-4 steam locomotive 2816 operates under its own power for the first time in over forty years.
G'day Gents!
Looks like the sky is determined to remain overcast, but with these cool temps (lower 60s) we'll take it! Lord-o-Lord do I hope that the heat of summer is nearing an end. This has been a monster season - hot 'n dry. <ugh> Oh yeah, my bride told me that petrol dropped to $2.53 (rounded) up at "Collusion Corner" yesterday. And - we're approaching the Labor Day weekend - verrrrrrrrrrrry interesting, but we'll take that too!
So, my on-again-off-again Dead Birds took a waxing last night at the bats of the "Fish" from Florida. Just a lack luster effort and through it all, they remain atop their division as the "Deads" from Cincinnati dropped yet another opportunity to catch 'em. Verrrrrrrrrrry interesting, but we'll take it!
Enjoyed the URL from red P - lots of good stuff to peruse and given that today is our OPTIONAL Toy 'n Model Trains Day here at the tavern by the tracks, check it out . . .
Pete, c'mon in - the water's fine! Just do an internet search using one of the "engines" (Yahoo - Google - Dogpile, etc.) and find something. Then do whatever is required to adapt and adopt it for our Thread - and go for it!
I liked those Pix from Doug and haven't found anything approaching "boring" from him - ever. I understand what you mean though, but for me - if it runs on steel wheels on steel tracks, I always find a way to enjoy it! Also liked that "funny Pix" - why not Research dollars have gone for far worse! <grin>
Rob, great submissions and really enjoyed the Pix! Don't know what the "skinny" is with 20 Fingers Al, other than this "thing" with getting his home computer repaired. I know he said that they would be moving and that the plan to get things back on line have been delayed. Seems like this is going on far longer than I would have let it. But then again, different strokes, eh It will be nice to have him back - but I'll say it - I'm not at all thrilled with a resumption of "data dumps." Nope.
Don't know if I'm going to resume the "RRs from Yesteryear" theme for Tuesdays - looks as if the new format is working just fine. A word of advice though - LEAD TIME is essential for those who contribute - so given that Monday is a holiday for Canada and the US - let's get crackin' on naming the next up for "Theme for the Day!"
I spent far too much time online yesterday and it shows. Gotta control those urges . . . some guys are Posting in the 20s and more on other Forums and Threads - can you believe that Even with the new formats and dropping of the STARS and RANKINGS (that can be viewed) it appears there are many guys in a race to be TOP GUN on the Kalmbach Forums. No toys when they were kids, perhaps <grin>
Looks like we've found a steady daytime bartender as RUTH has asked - and I have approved - for the position. So, Manager Lars - you now have a full time employee, along with Leon the Night Man, to take care of ! Ruth will tend bar from 9 AM until 5 PM (Mon-Sat) when Leon takes over 'til closing. I'll open up - or Lars will. Confused Don't be - you guys are handling it quite well!
Thanx again to all who contributed and participated in our "Theme for the Day!" Was indeed a good turnout with lotsagoodstuff!
Oh yeah - have something SPECIAL coming up this morning - so watch for it!
Later!
Tom
Hi Tom and all.
Sorry its late but a pint please LEON and let me get a round for a really great C&NW day,maybe one day soon I will have the confidence to post something on N. American railways, but for now can I say how much I enjoy reading about the great railroads and from todays posts the C&NW was one of the best( and not just because they ran on the left hand side of the tracks
So, many thanks TOM for the history, named trains and photos, CM3 for the connecting lines.MIKE for the links, they were all good but the color photos of Proviso yard over 60 years ago are remarkable, that one of the steam locos in the round house on that cold day with the brazier burning is one of the best steam shed photos I have seen, it took me back to another continent, different locos, but the atmosphere of a steam shed is the same the world over. Another great photo was of the workmen washing their hands at the end of the shift.
LARS Great idea to feature the book covers,ROB liked the piece on the re-engined Baldwins, it is strange that some great builders of steam locos were unsuccessful when they tried to be major players in the diesel market.Thanks for sharing the photos of the 1994 trip to capture the locos before they lost the C&NW livery.
DOUG the IRM has a good selection of C&NW rolling stock and Mr Phil Stepak as photoed them well. I see cars with MWT and MWX on the side were these work cars. I really hope I can get to the IRM in the not too distant future.
May I say again a to ALL for today
Pete.
Hey Leon how about a Jack and coke please. CNW! hmmmmm. I guess Tom didnt like my idea about an early amtrak day. Oh well I can live with that.
Anyway you are right Mike I dont make big long winded post. I only make a post when I got something to say, and I dont Beat around the bush about it either, know what I mean. I almost forgot while bouncing around the internet I found this site for all the H.O. scalers (like myself). They make some really great passenger cars, meusum quality.
http://rapidotrains.com/
P
Another round, short one
Great black & white pics Tom, and Rob, your trip to Chicago in 1994 probably inspired this great day for C&NW. Who do we thank, the selection comittee or the steering committee?
Mike
Good evening Leon, I see that you replaced Ruth before she could do much damage to Doug Good thing she not a balck belt in anything eh
Tom -Nice pictures to wind out the day for you sir. Indeed another good turnout for our tuesday's by the tracks and it was a lesser known harder to research RR to boot, 5x again guys. Tom, I have to say that that is the least objectionable steam locomotive streamliningthat I have seen ( an I've never really liked streamlined steam engines ) The nice ABA sets of E's and F's were right on as well.
Doug-Hi nice to see you twice today as well. Nice RDC when's it due for restoration or are you guys willing to sell it to Tom for a ah garden shed yes that's it .I guess from my perspective the C&NW commuters are something different as all the commuter cars I see are the Bombardier doubles, so anything more traditionally shaped is a big deal for me.
Anywho Leon a round for the gang B4 I head into work.
Rob
Well hi there Ruth, babe .... mind if I call you Baby Ruth? What's this? I you won't take my order for a drink now? Well, I'll still buy a round for the guys who are behaving, if it's OK.
Rob, It's not that I consider the C&NW stuff at IRM boring .. not all of it anyway. Just look at the 21 cars we have at this link: http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/searchr.cgi?q=C%26NW . Notice that the RDC we have is also a C&NW!
However, three cars that are not listed are these:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/Barndad/stuff/Picture519.jpg
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They just look too much like the cars I ride on the Metra, and I just can't be impressed
One thing that does impress me if the wonderful quality of todays posts on our theme. I'll be looking forward to meeting you, Peter if you get out to this neck of the woods. Thankks for shedding more light on the "slip coach". CM3, while it is true that the former C&NW station (now Olgilvie Transportation Center) has changed in appearace substantially, not all of it was transformed. The entire area where the trains arrive and depart has not changed, nor has the architecture behind the Center for about 2 blocks. Wonderful multiple posts from Tom this day, with his Wikepedia offering, the consist and poster pix too. Lars visited a few times and shared some C&NW books. Rob submitted an excellent article on recycling Baldwins. Mike provided fanastic and plentiful URLs as usual. I have to admit I need to get to all of them yet.
Have a great rest of the evening!
My finale for this "Theme for the day" on the C&NW . . . all from: www.yesteryeardepot.com
C&NW Poster (1946)
C&NW A-B-A F'S
C&NW A-B-A E'S
C&NW - 4-6-2 Streamlined (1948)
Thanx to all who participated in our Tuesday "Theme for the Day!" Watch for the announcement for next week's RR!
THEME OF THE DAY ! THEME OF THE DAY ! THEME OF THE DAY THEME OF !
Okay just a couple pictures to make my C&NW contributiions for the day complete.Thanks to TOM < MIKE < DOUG < & LARS for adding to todays C&NW theme, the second straight I would say successfull one since our relaunch 5x for all of you for your efforts on this fine day.Nice to know that so many give a 'Rats Patoot' about what it is we do around here
Photo by Jim Boyd of AS16M 1494 at Fond Du lac in 1973 still more or less new !
The next three shots are from my trip into Chicago in 1994 to capture what was then anounced as the next flaag to fall.
GP 7 switching near the airport.
Another shot of a C&NW HH GP7 still doing it's thing
C&NW GP15-1 in transfer service
C&NW C40-8 in road service
Enjoy Rob
Well lets see, I suppose that since I suggested we do this theme railroad this week that it's only appropriate that I put out a bit of new info myself as well. Ruth another round to fortify me and the gang.It's often been said that the C&NW was a frugal railroad, recyling was one of it's forte's.When the big six or seven would by new power C&NW would recyle rebuild and reuse and wring everylast bit of life from locomotives long discarded by thier rivals.
CLASSIC DIESELS # 29 C&NW's RECYCLED BALDWINS
The C&NW's recycled Baldwin AS-16's were purchased second hand from te original owners the Missouri Kansas & Texas.When dieselization first started the MKT like most other railroads continued to by locomotives from all the players. Baldwin being the big fish in the steam era was late to begin producing locomotives , but heir longtime steam era partners bought their offerings readily when they became available. The MKT wa an early buyer buying a modest fleet of Baldwins 1600hp 4 axel AS-16 ( baldwins answer to the GP7 )By 1958 Baldwin wa out of the game and the MKT like other RR's didn't want the expense of maintaining alot of minority builders parst so they had their fleet 18 AS16's rebuilt by EMD ( then the King of locomotives ) with EMD 567C primemovers ( GP9 engine ) the 567C's were designed to produce 1750hp but in this application they were delivered aat a derated 1500hp.So between Feb of 1958 and March of 1960 17 of these locomotives were rebuilt ( one was a wrech right off )
The units kept their baldwin frames , cabs ,trucks and short hoods.However a GP9 hood replaced the original Baldwin longhood ( fit the 567 and it's associated equipment better )In 1970 these were sold to Precision nationals lease fleet.
In 1972 the C&NW began leasing,then purchased 14 of these AS16m's.One was found to be defective and was returned to precision National and scrapped.The 13 units entered C&NW service as No's 1485-1495 and 1497-1498.These loco's ran into the late 80's before finally giveing up and scrapped.
As a footnote this began a long relation ship with teh C&NW and Precision National. C&NW bougth many a rebuilt GP7 or GP9 as well as rebuilt SD7's and 9's from them.Even a few of PC's ex UP / ATSF SD24's came to the C&NW as rebuilt lowhood SD20's.Goes to show one person's trash is someone else's treasure.
Good afternoon Ruth, looks like we've had another good tuesday,the info's flowing , so the suds and food a tip o the hat to all you gents who have taken the time to dredge up some interesting tidbits and pictures on the C&NW.I think a deli classic Pistrami on rye with some mustard oh yah and a cople of the pickles before Lars eats them all'
Doug- Way to satrt us off, and I would say that the commuters were not all that boring,C&NW and BN really set the tone for how commuter services should be run,fast service and lots of trains
Tom-Two grrreat C&NW drops on us today.Amazing as to how old of a railroad it was and inovative, not mant others would even have concidered selling themselves to their employee's and then having it wirk to boot. Nice follow up on the joint C&NW / UP streamliners as well. too bad Al's still down and out, I'm sure that we would have had a page worth of 20 fingered passenger posts.Another trip extremely NOB on tap eh ?I say go for it spend the inheritance as it were I too would hope that we could somehow find a way to join both countires with more and more frequent passenger trains, but like Lars said the govt's on both sides need to become less road and rubber oriented.
CM3-Wow not only is that an impressive list of connecting railways and industries,but Imagine, at one point Chi -Town was an even bigger railhub than it still is, tgruly mindboggling.
Mike -Great pile of urls sir, I think Ruth needs to give you a weeks wrht of free pickle barrell pickels for tha one LOL.
Lars-Great book covers, amother well loved railway. the people in Chicago and Wi really loved their C&NW, allot like the people of Hamilton and the TH&B they still refuse to refer to it as the CP which has taken it over since 1985.Yes I do remember the CFL S.O.T.B.I remember my Ticats regulaly beating up on the Shreveport Pirates,and the Baltimore CFLer's yes they were called that for a year because they wanted to use the "Colts" name but the NFL objected. They eventually called themselves the Stallions, the onlu US based team to win a Grey Cup to the last year the US teams played. That team is still arouind they moved back to Montreal and are the New Allouettes.
Pete-Glad that you liked the Pt 2 and 3. You would like Southwestern Ontario,the Cities of Chatham ,London are on the Thames, good fishing an light boating river, it empties into Lake Erie.
Well Ruth a "nuther" round if you would be so kind.
G’day Gents!
A bit more on our “Theme for the Day RR” – the Chicago & North Western (CNW):
City of Los Angeles - jointly operated by: CNW & UP (1936-55) – (from: Wikipedia.com)
City of Denver - jointly operated by CNW & UP (1936-55) – (from: Wikipedia.com)
The Challenger - jointly operated by: CNW & UP (1936-55) – (from: Wikipedia.com)
Enjoy!
G'day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!
Ruth, one more JD on the rocks while I post this "Theme for the Day!"
Chicago & North Western books
Until the next time!
Lars
G’day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!
Amen – restored passenger rail service between places like Boston, Chicago, Minneapolis and Detroit up into Canada would be a God send. What a pleasant thought! But then reality shows up and spoils the mental image. Ain’t gonna happen as long as those in government continue to be under the influence of highway, airport and other special interests bent on gobbling up tax dollars for their use.
Ruth, I need a double JD on the rocks if you please! A round for the house and I’ll take a foot long hero – ham ‘n Swiss, mustAHd ‘n buttAH with two large pickles from the barrel! Don’t forget the saucer of brine for our “house pet,” Tex the Armadillo! <grin> Ring it, Boris!
Some fine posts for our “Theme for the Day!” and I see where Doug got a jump start on the rest of us. Hey – just get up a bit earlier, ok Just kidding . . .
Super impressive listing of connecting RRs provided by CM3 I’m not Shane – isn’t it just mind boggling to realize that “once upon a time” there were so many RRs and so many attendant industries supporting them? Same thing for our once mighty and proud Merchant Marine fleet. Sad, sad, sad . . .
Hey, Rob – remember “when” the CFL “invaded” the US
Don’t know what started it, but I’m surely in the mood for a long distance train trip. How I’d dearly love to just climb aboard and keep on keeping on for about a week of nothing but riding the rails. Now that’s a great thought. Where to Well, ever since Captain Tom provided us with all those great Alaska pix, that’s been on my mind. Unfortunately, I’m one who wants the “Full Monty,” so there would have to be bedroom cars. I think a cross-Canada journey would be just fine. Don’t care for the tourist aspect though, so I guess if we are going to do something like that, we’ll wait ‘til fall or winter. Anyway, I’m really, really READY for some dome sitting, cold brew, and all that train travels brings.
Browsing through that spate of Urls provided by the MeisterUrlMan himself, Mike, just fuels the fires for my “wander lust!” Born too late – and much too poor – to take advantage of the best that the passenger RRs had to offer! <groan> That's quite a list - and who said CNW was hard to find info about <grin>
Next up will be my offering for the “Theme” . . .
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.
CM3, thanks for the list and wow! that's a lot of railroads connecting to the C&NW. The name of one of them just leaped off the page. No doubt a typo, everyone can spell my mom's name. She was from Wayah, a town on the Ware River. The second thing I can remember in my life is detraining to the cool spring air of Palmer in April 1950. Earliest memory of all is boarding Rock Island at Davenport. Good old New York Central though. And early Amtrak, too, they got me in the heart.
http://www.trainweb.org/asamtrak911/model/carnames.html
Funniest typos are by Darnbad. Clipped about 10,000 feet off the top of Pile's Peak.
New England is the place to find a potential Wikipedia discrepancy. Is it 8701 or 8601?
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=200503041422252534.jpg&byrail%3A1%3AChicago_NorthWestern
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=CNW8601.jpg&byrail%3A1%3AChicago_NorthWestern
Otto Perry photos
4-8-4 Boone, Iowa 1935
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00003285+OP-3285
4-8-4 Pacific Limited Council Bluffs, Iowa 1937
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00003401+OP-3401
Streamlined 4-6-4 Pacific Limited Council Bluffs 1938
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00003414+OP-3414
EMC Motor Car Casper, Wyoming 1936
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00003442+OP-3442
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Fairbanks-Morse H 16-66 Missouri Valley, Iowa 1953
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00003293+OP-3293
EMD S7 Rapid City, So. Dakota 1956
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00003421+OP-3421
EMD GP7 Rapid City 1956
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00003292+OP-3292
ALCO RSD5 Rapid City 1955
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00003420+OP-3420
Whitcomb 44-ton Rapid City 1956
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00003291+OP-3291
4-6-2 The 400 Chicago 1939
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00003383+OP-3383
EMC E3A Chicago 1939
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00003295+OP-3295
EMC E3A Oakland, Cal. 1938
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?11005928+Z-5928
William Henry Jackson photos
Council Bluffs UP-C&NW ticket office
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?20102811+CHS.J2811
Kate Shelly Bridge over Des Moines River near Boone
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?20103346+CHS.J3346
Marshalltown, Iowa depot lawn "The Northwestern Line"
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?20102826+CHS.J2826
Ron Nixon photos
The 400 St. Paul 8/29/46
http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvn-jpgs/RVN12194.jpg
The 400 St. Paul 8/31/46
http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvn-jpgs/RVN12201.jpg
Jack Delano photos at Proviso Yard 1942-43
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Ruth, a round of "spiked" OJ on Da Boss, a #3 for me, and Boris - ring the gong!
An early start with the "Theme for the Day" as Doug provided us with some fine material last night. Understand the early reveille, Mate, makes sense to Post 'em when you got 'em - so to speak! Nice job.
Wanted to make mention of Mike's URLs from yesterday too - that New Haven ad in the glorious fall motiff was outstanding!
Pete - Mox Nix is from the German, which loosely translated means, "makes no difference."
In the "For what it's worth" department, I just received an answer to an inquiry made with Alaska Railroad. I was curious regarding their winter train from Anchorage to Fairbanks (weekly runs) whether dome cars were in the consist. Took a couple of trys, but the answer came back with a negative. They do have a diner though. Now, that would be about a 12 hour run in semi-dark to darkness in older coach equipment. Hmmmmm, wonder just how many tourists take the Aurora winter train all the way?
We ARE seriously planning a return trip to the 49th state and will once again head up to Denali for a longer stay in the area than this last one. A most magnificent place to experience.
Ain't life grand when one has a keyboard that works Just don't know what you miss until it's gone (as in space bar!)
Rob, that Amtrak train is supposed to disembark passengers at those Canadian stations - no boardings. On the southbound trip, it's the reverse - at least that's what the web site sez. I've always wondered why we haven't been treated to seeing VIA Rail equipment south of the 49th - the old "Atlantic" being the exception. There just has to be a market for rail travel between our countries - especially from places like Boston, Detroit, Chicago and Minneapolis. Wouldn't it be nice . . . .
Oh yes, I've been enjoying your "Classics" and it never ceases to amaze just how many different RR ventures there were on both sides of the border, especially near the "lakes." Can't forget to make mention of Doug's continuing Q&As with all the "good stuff" coming our way. Nice going guys!
Pete, that was quite a Post you put together - looks like you are hitting on all cylinders! And yes, Springfield is a AA team in the Texas League.
Thanx CM3 for your continuing morning "reports," round and quarters! Nice to see you back in your familiar slot and hope we can keep the forward momentum - no matter how hard Kalmbach tries to discourage us! <frown> E-mail sent your way on this very subject . . .
Lars - we all miss BK, but must remember that he'll most probably never really be as frequent a visitor as many of us. When he's on board, it's a special treat, but this is the guy with the "wander lust," and apparently he found a lady who enjoys it as well. Anyway, somewhere in my mind's eye, I recall reading that he'd be gone about a week. That should have him return tomorrow or Thursday . . .
Catch y'all later . . . .
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house; and $ for the jukebox. Nice rain this a.m. - fortunately no thunder. Red Sox continue in free fall with some truly scary medical situations.
Thanks to all for posts and updates.
Mike: The scriptorium site at Duke is a fascinating one. I enjoyed looking at the New Haven ads. DL 109s in many of them, and the one titled "Did You Ever See a Mountain Blush?" featured FM power; the color in the ad was quite good at duplicating the NYNH&H grren/gold scheme that was on these units.
Today we ride the C&NW. The Northwestern Station in Chicago was an interesting piece of architecure which, unfortunately, has been replaced by another steel and glass box, although the trains still run out of there. I have sldies somewhere I took at the old station with E units and bilevel cars. I recall riding the CNW commuter service more than a few times. Former naval persons in the group recall that CNW served Great Lakes. The CNW trains that I recall still had smoking cars and I well remember one battle-scarred veteran CNW trainman herding Great Lakes-bound passengers onto the train and saying "Smoker's to your left, admiral."
Folks don't realize what a big operation CNW was. Here's a 1967-era list of roads connecting with the CNW; many fallen flags:
Alton and Southern, Ann Arbor, Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe
Baltimore and Ohio, Baltimore and Ohio Chicago Terminal, Belt Railway of Chicago
Cedar Rapids and Iowa City, Chesapeake and Ohio, Chicago and Eastern Illinois, Chicago and Illinois Midland, Chicago and Illinois Western, Chicago and Western Indiana, Chicago, Burlington and Quincy, Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific, Chicago Preoduce Terminal, Chicago River and Indiana, Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific, Chicago Short Line, Chiccago, SOuth SHore and South Bend, Chicago, West Pullman and Southern
DesMoines and Central Iowa, Des Moines Union, Duluth, Missabe and Iron Range, Duluth, Winnipeg and Pacific
East St. Louis Jct., Elgin, Joliet and Eastern, Erie-Lackawanna, Escanaba and Lake Superior
Fort Dodge, Des Moines and Southern
Grand Trunk Western, Great Northern, Green Bay and Western, Gulf, Mobile and Ohio
Hillsboro and Northeastern
Illinois Central, Illinois Northern, Illinois Terminal, Indiana Harbor Belt, Iowa Terminal
Kansas City Sotuhern, Kansas City Terminal, Kewaunee, Green Bay and Western
Lake Superior and Ishpeming, Lake Superior Terminal and Tarnsfer, Laona and Northern, LaSalle and Bureau County, Louisville and Nashville
Manuafacturers, Manufacturers Junction, Minneapolis, Anoka and Cuyuna Range, Minneapolis Eastern, Minneapolis Transfer, Missouri-Kansas-Texas, Missouri Pacific, Monon
New York Central, Norfolk and Western, Northern Pacific
Omaha, Lincoln and Beatriuce
Pennsylvania, Peoria and Pekin Union, Peiria Terminal
Railway Transfer Co.
St. Joseph Belt, St. Joseph Terminal, St Louis-SanFrancisco, St. Louis Southwestern, Sioux City Terminbal, Soo Line, Southern Ry., South Omaha Terminal
TRRA, Toledo, Peoria and Western
Union Pacific
Waterloo
work safe
Now arriving on track #1
RR Theme for the Day - Number Two
Chicago and North Western Railway
Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.
Reporting marks
CNW, CNWS, CNWZ
Locale
Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin, and Wyoming
Dates of operation
1865 – 1995
Successor line
Track gauge
4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)
Headquarters
Chicago, Illinois
The Chicago and North Western Railway (AAR reporting marks: CNW, CNWS, CNWZ; unofficial abbreviation: C&NW) was a Class I railroad in the United States. It was also known as the North Western.
History
The Chicago and North Western Railway was chartered on June 7, 1859. It had purchased the assets of the bankrupt Chicago, St. Paul and Fond du Lac Railroad five days earlier. On February 15, 1865, it officially merged with the Galena and Chicago Union Railroad, which had been chartered on January 16, 1836. Since the Galena & Chicago Union started operating in December, 1848, and the Fond du Lac railroad started in March, 1855, the Galena and Chicago Union Railroad is considered to be the origin of the North Western railroad system.
The North Western had owned a majority of the stock of the Chicago, St. Paul, Minneapolis and Omaha Railway (Omaha Road) since 1882. On January 1, 1957, it officially leased the company, and merged it into the North Western in 1972. The Omaha Road's main line ran from an interchange with the North Western at Elroy, Wisconsin, to the Twin Cities, down to Sioux City, Iowa, and then finally to Omaha, Nebraska.
The North Western picked up several important short railroads during its later years. It finalized acquisition of the Litchfield and Madison railroad on January 1, 1958. The Litchfield and Madison railroad was a 44-mile bridge road from East St. Louis to Litchfield, Illinois. On July 30, 1968, the North Western acquired two former interurbans – the 36-mile Des Moines and Central Iowa Railway (DM&CI), and the 110-mile Fort Dodge, Des Moines and Southern Railway (FDDM&S). The DM&CI gave access to the F
I hear there are a couple of rounds in so I'll have the usual Bathams please RUTH( who had the nerve to call you Ruthie).
Glad the puter probs are over Tom and the forum seems to be ok today with all the pics enlarging but I agree trying to find old posts is near impossible, I believe a while back you posted a summery of the different themes I will try to find it and try putting the page number in.
We were back later than I thought yesterday and I have just caught up with the posts of the last couple of days, although the thought of BORIS in Village People attire, as DAVE said could happen, made me lie down for a couple of hours.Another marvellous Sat and Sun at the Bar.
ROB Parts 2 and 3 of the Lost Electrics just as good as the 1st.I hope they can get the CNR to replace the track to give a longer run and it is good that some of the route can be travelled on today. It is interesting that there is a Chatham on a River Thames in Canada as there is in the UK.
As you say the electricity price hike to the railway in the UK is not good. it is strange the big increase of 60% is when the the lines using electric power have all, apart from the East Coast Line, invested in all new rolling stock.
Great encores and photos of the ONR and loco #103.
DAVE Thanks for the info on SP #1801 it is a pity this loco was not preserved.
MIKE I think it was R. Dean Taylor who had a hit with Indiana Wants me, at least in the UK.
Great links again, with some real gems like the NYC steam loco in color and the RDC Wolverine. The photo of the 1st L.A. electric car is mavellous considering it was taken in 1887 and what it would be like to travel on the PE Orange Empire with 175 miles for $4 nowadays. That was an interesting depot with the tall tower in one corner. Unlike Lars I have not seen mox nix before.
Good to see JOHN and P in again.
DOUG Many thanks for the photos and the links to the Chicago pics. The first thing I noticed was how clean the stations and cars were. The bride will definatly want to see Chinatown, we were hoping to go to Chicago this year but with a visit to England having to be made fairly soon we have had to put it off.
It was great to see a New Zealand steam loco, it is not very often the steam locos of Austrlia and NZ are shown in magazines etc. That frieght train de-railment looked a mess.
In theQustions and Answers,which I suppose was written in the 50s, as the Elizabethan stopped running non-stop in the early 60s( when diesels took over the train ), may I add a bit more to the Slip coach answer. The main user of slip coaches was the Great Western railway. the Cornish Rivera and a Birmingham express had three slip coaches, the Rivera slipped coaches at Westbury, Taunton and Exeter. The last slip coach was detatched at Bicester on the Birmingham run but I cannot recall the date. In the answer it said the slip coach ran into a siding, this was not so, the slip guard(conductor) operated the slip handle and relased the coach, there were self sealing brake hoses and the guard controlled the braking. if he got it wrong there was no way of releasing the brake and the coach would stop short of the platform and the station pilot loco would have to haul the coach in. The cars would be attached to a London bound train. The slip coaches saved time and no doubt the loco crew were glad of the reduced load but they were costly as the trains needed a guard for each slip coach as well as the main part of the train.There is a color cine film of a slip-coach in action .
LARS Great NYC color pics.
TOM Enjoyed the NYC encore and there are some great names of the folks who ran those Blue Ridge boarding houses, those old ads put a human side to history. Three good films on at the Emporium. I have not seen the Sellars one it sounds a great plot,I can always watch the Battle of Britain again, I particulary like the list of the pilots from the different countries shown at the end of the film. A great debt is owed to those brave men indeed.
Have you been to the Springfield Cardinels, we went Saturday night to see them beat the Wichita Wildcats 8-6. They play in a wonderful modern stadium, it was a good game with the lead changeing. I believe they are an AA team.
Looking forward to C&N tomorrow.
It was Ruth when I started it is probably LEON now anyway, a round for the house please
Just caught your post ROB there is some good interurban pics and a good start to C&NW day DOUG.
Evening Leon, and I'll have the usual bottomless draught, and set-up a round for the house please? Looks like a fair amount of participation on this cold and rainy August day. Construction on my home has pretty much come to a standstill. Looks like proprietor Tom has been here a few times with his new toys, and CM3 has been here as well. I aims to please Mr. P. Glad you saw something of interest in my post. Nice job wrapping up your classic juice article Rob. Well done. I need to say hi to Lars, our manager for his kind words as well. Which brings me to Mike ... master of the URLs, and he left us a few today! In fact ....I noticed some Chicago and North Western pix in there. I gotta tell ya guys ... I've been looking for some material on that road, and it's been real illusive for me. I'm sure I have pix of commuters at the IRM, but that doesn't seem too interesting to me. Anyhow, I hope you'll forgive my posting early on the theme for tomorrow, but I have another 4 am wake-up, and 4:45 departure, the same as I did today, and I want to make sure to make a contribution this week. So here goes ..............
The North Western’s depot at Madison Street, Chicago, cleaned up to look like new
Afternoon lull at the Chicago & North Western Railway station, Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
Jointly-owned C&NW-Union Pacific diesel (later rebuilt by UP) is taking pre-war City of Denver into C&NW Chicago depot
Remember the days when the C&NW had an “open-air” roundhouse at Superior, Wis.?
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/Barndad/stuff/CNWopenairroundhouse.jpg
The C-C wheel arrangement of the Fairbanks-Morse road switcher gives her additional tractive effort for fast start in the important Chicago and North Western commuter service.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/Barndad/stuff/CNWFMloco.jpg
This freight road diesel, stationed at Milwaukee, is waiting for her next assignment.
Two men waiting at the pearly gates strike up a conversation. "How'd you die?" the first man asks the second. "I froze to death," says the second. "That's awful, how does it feel to freeze to death?" says the first. "It's very uncomfortable at first, you get the shakes, and you get pains in all your fingers and toes. But eventually, it's a very calm way to go. You get numb and you kind of drift off, as if you're sleeping. How did you die?" says the second. "I had a heart attack", says the first guy. "You see, I knew my wife was cheating on me, so one day I showed up at home unexpectedly. I ran up to the bedroom, and found her alone, knitting. I ran down to the basement, but no one was hiding there. I ran up to the second floor, but no one was hiding there either. I ran as fast as I could to the attic, and just as I got there, I had a massive heart attack and died." The second man shakes his head. "that's so ironic" he says. "What do you mean?" asks the first man "If you had only stopped to look in the freezer, we'd both still be alive."
Evening gents. Leon I think I could handle a Keith'soh and perhaps a bowl of those in the shell peanuts as well.
Tom -Yes I did catch the url's and more. I just haven't had a chance to digest them yet.Seems to be some good interurban stuff in there for Mr Dave to drool over.Seems incredible that the street railways ever got off the ground let alone survived when you see just how primitive the first one's were.I wouldn't hold your breath on a quick boarder crossing solution for rail travel. It's painfully apparent how little either govt, cares about rail travel in general. I'm sure they will fast track a sollution for airlines first I remeber that particular AH you mentioned,that was a good day when you stomped on him with that photograph. I'm half supprised he didn't challange your photo as being photoshopped
Mike-As stated above , good show on your most recent collection of gems
Lars -Ah yes, defered maintenance gotta love it <groan> unfortunatly the sign of the times. Seems like Amtrak never really got out of that habit I can't say as I'm wauting for football season as it's half over I've nevr gotten into the NFL. CFL or nothing for me, which with my team has been nothing second incredibly bad year in a row.I'm waiting for the frozen pond <grin>It will be nice to have BK back,It should make the afternoons a little less sparce around here. I know what you mean about finding non-copyrighted C&NW stuff, must be a UP thing
Well folks I'm heading on out to work shortly so I will bid you all adieu until tomorrow afternoon/evening
Ruth my deAH, I'll take a frosty mug of Piels and a few of those snack "things" over there . . . a round on me if you please. Boris, ring the bell!
Running just a bit late today and actually didn't think I'd make it in. Busy, busy, busy here on "the island" as my Mrs. has me hopping today! <grin> <groan>
Great outpouring this afternoon from Rob and what a list of Urls from the MeisterMan himself. Mox Nix is a term I haven't heard or used in years - brought back a memory or two . . .
Only have a few minutes but just wanted to let you guys know that I'm still alive and kickin' . . .
I took the train up to Montreal and also to Toronto many, many years ago - early Amtrak - and there were dome cars on both routes. The glass was in terrible condition if I recall, and it appeared as if little or no maintenance to the interiors was included in the budgeting. Nevertheless, the trips were fine and I don't have any significant recollection of border crossing delays. Ah, but that was THEN and this is NOW.
Ok, I get the message - I'll try my best to "chill" - but these guys still tick me off when they ignore the bar they profess to like. Yeah, right!
So, shouldn't BK be returning soon Getting kinda lonely without my "bookend" balancing the daily input with me.
Baseball is looking better out there in St. Loo these days, huh A sweep will "do it" every time - now it's a game of building the lead as we get into the crunch month of September. Your pitching is where it will tell the tale, as it is with most teams. Hate to count anyone out though, for just as soon as it appears a team is "dead" is when they have a return to glory. Happens!
I'm looking forward to football and think my Giants will have a good season. Now if they'd only move back to New York! Hate that New Jersey complex - loved the old digs. Well, the Jets will be returning once the new stadium gets built and it will be interesting to see if the Giants follow along.
I've got a few things for tomorrow's "Theme Day!" and hope we have a good turn out. Actually not that much out there on the C&NW that isn't copyrighted to death. A page full of Urls wont' do (sorry, Mike) on a day when the visual is the idea. Supporting Urls, as Doug provided yesterday, makes sense so as not to overload the page. Now that's a good idea.
I'm back in 'puter heaven once again with the installation of my "new" Dell replacement keyboard for my notebook (laptop) - arrived about 15 mins ago. Awwwwwwwwright! I had been using the cut 'n paste method for "spaces" on all of my recent Posts since the one with the 'dashes' a couple of days ago. Got to be a pain in the Patoot I'll tell ya! <grin>
Rob, I have a friend who takes the Maple Leaf at least once a year up to Toronto from Schenectady, NY. Says it's a decent trip, but the delays at the border continue to plague the route. Ya know, you'd think by now the two countries could figure out a way to expedite that, eh
Didja catch that potpourri of URLs from our resident URLMeisterMonsterMike I share in the delight of finding a brief Post to use the "reply" feature! Makes all the difference, fer sure, fer sure! <grin>
I had thought about taking the International from Chicago on more than one occasion, however, it was a 12 hour run and rather short on amenities. A shame they took off the domes - although I do recall seeing a dome car on the Adirondack in Monteal not really that many years ago - 5 or 6. In fact that began a "spat" of sorts on one of the Threads when a rather obnoxious AH told me that I was crazy, there couldn't have been a dome car back then. Shut him up when I posted the Pix I took with the imprinted date! <grin> <doublegrin>
Yeah, I hope they reinstitute the run, it surely would attract riders, especially given the prices these days for going by air.
Okay - back to the excitement of retired life!
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house
P is excellent, just what I'm always looking for, the shortest post on the page to reply to.
Here's a pile of nothing in particular, just stuff. Click, don't click, mox nix.
Marion Flyer crossing Deer creek
http://images4.indianahistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/DC001&CISOPTR=37&REC=15
Marion Flyer
http://images4.indianahistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/DC002&CISOPTR=111&REC=14
U.S. Mail
http://images4.indianahistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/dc012&CISOPTR=5078&REC=15
Southern diesel
http://images4.indianahistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/dc012&CISOPTR=10114&REC=10
Broadway Limited obs
http://images4.indianahistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/dc012&CISOPTR=10552&REC=1
Terra Haute
http://images4.indianahistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/P0129&CISOPTR=45&REC=18
Harry S. Truman
http://images4.indianahistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/P0129&CISOPTR=43&REC=16
SP 4-4-0 Galveston, Texas 7/28/36
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015758+OP-15758
SP 4-6-0 San Diego 4/23/33
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015797+OP-15797
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015480+OP-15480
1st Electric streetcars in Los Angeles 1887 (Pico Street)
http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/tf7m3nb5h2/hi-res
PE advertising
http://content.cdlib.org/dynaxml/data/13030/06/hb7f59p406/files/hb7f59p406-FID11.jpg
Map of Pacific Electric Railway
http://content.cdlib.org/dynaxml/data/13030/k4/hb4g5009k4/files/hb4g5009k4-FID6.jpg
Red Train #5 (in black & white) Albany, Cal. 1941
http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt6k4014hr/hi-res
http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt7r29p720/hi-res
http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt438nb8vt/hi-res
http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt0779p334/hi-res
Antofagasta & Bolivia, way to steep
http://www.drawrm.com/train1.htm
New Haven ads
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/adaccess/T/T24/T2446-72dpi.jpeg
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/adaccess/T/T24/T2447-72dpi.jpeg
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/adaccess/T/T24/T2451-72dpi.jpeg
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/adaccess/T/T24/T2452-72dpi.jpeg
Chicago C&NW Station 1910
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/pan/6a20000/6a20100/6a20127r.jpg
Chicago C&NW Train 1946 (I think it's C&NW, not sure)
http://purl.dlib.indiana.edu/iudl/archives/cushman/full/P03200.jpg
Good to see some activity ‘round the joint today - been rather quiet lately. Anyway, special mention for CM3 - red P and Rob this fine day!
Noticed that petrol has dropped to $2.63 (rounded) up at Collusion Corner. Just amazes me how these speculators seem to have us over the proverbial barrel regarding the oil prices. We are impotent when it comes to OPEC and ignorant when it comes to demanding we throw the bums out. <grrrrrrrrr>
Rob, mention of a possible reinstitution of the train between Chicago and Toronto brought a negative when I checked it out. Wish it were so. That Amtrak you saw most probably was the Maple Leaf which runs from Penn Station in NYC. Stops in Canada are: Niagara Falls – St. Catharines - Grimsby - Aldershot - Oakville and Toronto.
Set ‘em up Ruth, drinks on da boss! Ring it, Boris!
TOMORROW IS CHICAGO & NORTHWESTERN THEME DAY!
Watch for the arrivals on track #1 throughout the day!
Good morning everyone, Ill start off with some coffee,been nice to have a few days off anyway. Well Lars I guess your in charge since Tom ran out of dashes. By the way thanks for the f7 pictures.
Barndad that was an interesting piece on the dome, ive never seen anything like that before.
Ok Ruth let me try the biscuts and gravy this morning.
And thats enough crap about my Cubbies !
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