Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house, and $ for the jukebox. I guess we’ll pick three: “Her Teeth Were Stained, But Her Heart Was Pure,” “She’s Looking Better After Every Beer,” and “I Still Miss You Baby, But My Aim’s Getting Better.” Wow! I thumped the jukebox and got an extra play today. So we’ll listen to “Velcro Arms, Teflon Heart.”
As for baseball, the meltdown(s) continue; lots of buzz here, of course, about the Mountaineers.
Things have calmed down a little bit, so here we are.
Mike – Thanks for URLs and PEI history.
Nick – Layout shots and model village – all interesting. At least you have a layout. As I have said b4. virtually all of my material is in boxes.
James – Steam picture and Canadian passenger material – than you.
Rob – Historical summaries are always appreciated. My dad will wax eloquent about the Alouette and riding it during wartime. I think I posted that story somewhere on this site. Also liked the shot of the PAs and the C628 on the D&H. Interesting part of the photo was the PAs running elephant style. Anyway, over the years I chased them from one end of the D&H to the other. I always liked trying to catch up with them around Mechanicville if only for the buildings, etc. that could be included in the picture. Saratoga was another good spot as there was room to get back from the tracks and get a good scenic picture; I do know I posed the story about being at Saratoga on a lovely fall day, seeing the Pas heading south and just as I got ready for the picture, the passenger train was met by a NB freight with a trio of C628s for power; kind of like falling face down onto the dessert table. I also photographed them at Albany. The station switcher there was an SW1 which had been quick dipped into the paint scheme of the company which our ‘steamed proprietor says we can’t mention. The NYC paint, however, had bled back through – made for some interesting pictures.
Pete – St. Anne’s Reel; one of my favorites.
Tom’s Time Line and heralds provide a nice set of reference material. Always was partial to the PGE herald.
Lars, books – Passing Trains is a good one
Last (but not least) what can I say about Barndad’s Canadian post and Miss Idaho. Yikes!
Here’s some SP information from 1961. This covers the Golden State Route. Awhile back I posted some material on the Sunset Route, so thought now might be a good time to add some more.
Trains 3 and 4 “Golden State”
Lounge Car (for Pullman passengers)
Chicago – Los Angeles
Sleeping Car (rtte/br)
Sleeping Car (rtte/br/compt./d-r)
Chicago – Phoenix: car originated either at Phoenix or Tucson from May 1-31 (every other day); then reverted back to originating at Phoenix.
Minneapolis – Los Angeles
Via CRI&P Trains 17 and 18 between Minneapolis and Kansas City.
Chair Cars (reclining leg rest seats)
Chair cars
Dining Car
Hamburger Grill Lounge Car
News agent service
Checked baggage
Trains 3 and 4 operated daily. They operated via CRI&P between Chicago and Tucumcari and via SP between Tucumcari and Los Angeles.
Train 3 departed Chicago at 1:00 p.m., arriving two days later in Los Angeles at 8:30 a.m.
Train 4 departed Los Angeles at 1:30 p.m. with a 12:30 p.m. arrival in Chicago two days later.
The Golden State was an extra fare operation.
work safe
P.S. I see where our 'steamed prorietor has posted material about Pennsylvania Station. We must look at this.
Railroad Stations - Terminals & Depots
Number Four –
New York City’s Pennsylvania Station
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Penn Station's underground Long Island Rail Road concourse
Pennsylvania Station is one of New York City's main railway stations, sharing the Pennsylvania Station name with several stations in other cities. Commonly known as Penn Station, it is located in the underground levels of Pennsylvania Plaza, an urban complex located at 32nd Street between 7th and 8th Avenues in Manhattan. Madison Square Garden is located atop the station. The name comes from its original owner, the Pennsylvania Railroad.
Penn Station is located at the center of the Northeast Corridor, an electrified passenger railroad line extending from Washington, D.C. to Boston, Massachusetts. The station is served by a number of passenger rail services including Amtrak (the station's owner), Long Island Rail Road, New Jersey Transit and the New York City Subway, which does not actually share tracks into Penn Station, but has two stations at the eastern and western ends, with direct entrances in and out the concourse. PATH has a station at 33rd Street one block east on Sixth Avenue.
In 2004, Penn Station was the busiest Amtrak station in the United States by annual boardings with 4,367,553, more than double those of its nearest competitor, in Washington, D.C.[1].
The station is assigned the IATA airport code of ZYP. Its Amtrak station code is NYP.
History
Enabling
View from the northeast, circa 1911. The sheer size of the structure in comparison to the surrounding buildings is notable. Very little of this scene survives in modern Manhattan.
Penn Station is named for the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR), its builder and original tenant. There could have been no Penn Station in New York City until the Pennsylvania Railroad's rails reached Manhattan. The 19th century PRR terminated across the Hudson River at Jersey City's Exchange Place terminal in New Jersey, where passengers bound for Manhattan boarded ferries for the final stretch of their journey. The rival New York Central Railroad's rails ran down Manhattan from the north, ending in its Grand Central Terminal in the heart of Midtown Manhattan.
The Pennsylvania Railroad, unsatisfied with this state of affairs, considered bridging the Hudson River (too expensive) or tunneling under it (too long to work with steam locomotives and too difficult to ventilate). The development of the electric locomotive and electrified railroad systems by the early 20th century provided a practicable solution to the latter problem.
On December 12, 1901, PRR president Alexander Cassatt announced the railroad's plan to enter New York City, tunneling under the Hudson and building a grand station on the West Side of Manhattan, south of 34th Street. The PRR had been secretly buying up the necessary land in Manhattan and New Jersey for some time.
The main waiting room, circa 1911: the Roman model was the Baths of Caracalla
Two single-track tunnels were bored from the New Jersey side, and in addition four single-track tunnels were bored under the East River from Queens to Manhattan, linking the Long Island Rail Road, now under PRR control, to the new station (see East River Tunnels). Sunnyside Yard in Queens would be the place where trains were maintained and assembled.
The tunnel technology was so new and innovative that the PRR shipped an actual 23-foot diameter section of the new East River Tunnel to the Jamestown Exposition at Sewell's Point on Hampton Roads, near Norfolk, Virginia in 1907 to celebrate the 300th anniversary of the founding of the Jamestown Settlement. The same tube, with an inscription that it had been displayed at the
G'day Gents!
As we approach week's end - why not spend a bit of time here at the Saloon by the Siding The Mentor Village Bakery case awaits, along with the best freshly ground 'n brewed coffee in the county, along with some fine selections from our Menu Board - <light> 'n <traditional> breakfasts.
Nick, you've provided some mighty fine Pix of real and model trains. Most interesting stuff throughout - that outdoor setup in Ireland is "something else" indeed! We'll have to be sure to hoist a few at the Maple Leaf tavern when in West Wales! Those 70 ft automobiles can only mean some rather "large" women frequent the place!
Looks like you've had a bit of difficulty with one of your Pix - suggest using the "edit" feature - that will get rid of the "blank" and of course provide us with the visual treat you have for us!
Check out this URL for Nick's elusive photo:
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Ohhhhhh - though you were speaking of the VIA Rail Pix I had Posted many times back. Now I get it - have patience, Mate - gets this way when one approaches 70! <groan>
In light of our sparse turnout for last evening and this AM - let me simply say: Boris set 'em up with all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle.
Ooooooops, looks like Mike sneaked one in on us - more URLs to kick off our morning "read"! Polar Bear eating marshmallows in a snow storm! Now THAT sez it all . . . <grin>
Ruth takes the bar at 9 AM 'til 5 PM when Leon the Night Man comes in 'til closing.
Later . . .
Tom
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.
Looks like Nick has a good time in Ireland. Interesting pics, specially the above depiction of the polar bear eating marshmallows in a snowstorm.
Pete, you certainly have an uncanny knack for zeroing in on the essence of things, like the closing of the stations in 1967. That was it exactly, CN had abandoned the rural communities the railway was built for. Thanks for the song title. I've heard of the Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem, from 40 years ago, if that's possible. Seems they disappeared when Ed Sullivan went off the air.
I don't know, probably Tuesday's theme is done to a crisp, but here's another pile anyway
Canadian Pacific Railway at Vancouver 23 May 1887
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Grand Trunk Pacific docks at Victoria, BC
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Canadian National
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Turcot Roundhouse in Montreal
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Montreal shops
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Montreal
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Winnipeg Symington Yard
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Moncton shops
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Port aux Basques, Newfoundland
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Newfie Bullet
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Alberta Coal train
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Saskatoon train and RDC
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Ocean Limited Halifax 1966
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Mike
TOM-crossed wires I think-It was the DVD I was talking about re Carol & yourself-p.s-plenty left for sundays
nick
And so-from the sublime to the ridiculous-some pix of my train set-a modest pastiche of Ontario in a damp shed in Wales............contributed in the spirit of `modelling wednesday`
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A hand painted (& wrongly numbered) GP35 eases onto the lumber yard spurs in the industrial district
GP9 yard goat drops a B+O `sentinal` boxcar
West Wales`s answer to `Our Place`-the Maple Leaf bar (currently awaiting refurbishment !!!)-Bradford GO train glides past behind,70 foot long autos outside
This is one from last week,writ large-F40PH with Budds heading north,F7 with tanks & flats awaiting the road into the balloon loop to follow them and GTW & B+O boxes awaiting yard goat for transfer
another one from last week-goat with O.N.R newsprint cars running up the bank from the industrial area to the metro interchange
A quiet corner.........
Spring madness "Run what you brung" weekend-specially for PETE
Right Leon -one last round,throw Boris a bone or two,find an extra blanket for Copperkettle and prepare a large flask of soup for H&H-they have the night run in the Zeppelin `Draig Goch` tonight...
See you tomorrow for fish & chips,take care,be lucky
Glad to know that my "Pickup Line" met with the satisfaction of trolleyboy Rob 'n LoveDomes Lars!
Visits from pwolfe Pete - CMSTPP James - trolleyboy Rob 'n nickinwestwales Nick brightened up our afternoon and early evening!
Nick - I got "burned" once regarding the Posting of a Pix where my bride was featured - ain't gonna happen again in the Ether. Don't need 'visits' from Kooks via Forum E-mail . . . . reported to Kalmbach, never got anything back. Lesson learned - if one wants to maintain a degree of personal privacy, use caution when on the "net."
Nice spate of Pix! Looks like you're enjoying yourself with this Pix-Posting that you've mastered.
Sure wish you'd "save" some for Sundays as we are really getting to the end of the line these days with Doug working two jobs - Rob being "in ' out" lately and Pete about to depart the scene for several Sundays. Please consider it . . . Anyway, a few here 'n there during the week is ALWAYS welcomed and encouraged - breaks up the monotony of narrative, eh
Regarding the Canadian heralds - somewhere in that Post should be the word "some" . . . no way meant to be all inclusive. However . . . .
and for Rob:
James - just "a point of order" - in one of your previous Posts, you mentioned being "here" for 15 pages - I think you overstated that, just a tad! Check the "list" I provided . . . Early wishes to you! There's a drink on the house awaiting you - and it better NOT be coffee!
Rob - regarding that "series" you've put together! Keep 'em coming . . . Looks like I'm getting the "bug" for a train trip (again)! Been thinking about a rail trip up to Gaspe (Quebec) that I've always thought would be an interesting voyage, especially while VIA Rail still uses the Budd equipment. They put them at the head end of the "Ocean" then the trains "split" at Matapedia - the "Renaissance" (Chunnel Chuggers) head to Halifax, while the "Chaleur" heads up to Gaspe. They use a "Skyline" dome car, a coach, and two or three sleepers for the consist. Turnaround is a couple of hours - so no sweat about being late - it's the same cars both ways. Something to think about for one of my "annual" weekend getaways . . . oh for the "good old days" of ridiculous air fares; NOW they are EXTORNIONISTS!
Lars - you are correct about the projected return of EricX2000 Eric from Sweden. I'd say your guess is as good as any - lucky devil!
Leon, set 'em up and Boris ring the ding . . .
Catch y'all in the 'morrow.
O.K-part two,picture time.
As it`s model day,how about a selection from the model village at Clonakilty in County Cork....
As previously mentioned ,this is built to 1:24 scale and depicts the various towns served by the West Cork Railways,a broad(5`3") gauge system with the main line running from Cork`s Albert Quay stn out to Bantry on the west coast with a number of branches running down to various south coast towns.
For reasons unknown,the railway section is built using L.G.B narrow gauge stock running on PECO track.
The system is formed of three loops of track,each running two trains and featuring stations on the route:-
One loop features Clonakilty stn & Ballydehob viaduct (with passing sidings at each point ) and has a (now disconnected ) branch joining it to loop 2- Bandon (another passing track) and Albert quay,where a pair of crossovers join to loop 3-Kinsale Junction (another passing track) and back to Albert Quay.
All the main stations have yard tracks which are not connected to the main-whether for financial or operating reasons I dont know -If the various tracks were installed ,a fairly interesting point-to-point operation would be possible........
Here we have Clonakilty on loop 1-the original was a terminus-I suspect this incorporates elements of Clon Jn...
On the other side of loop 1,we have Ballydehob viaduct-the original was on the Schull & Skibereen narrow gauge line and was single track--Irish logic,accept no substitute...
And here is the real thing-the clouds were the only ones we saw all week-almost beyond belief.
Train on the Bandon loop-the foreground track is the branch from loop 1
Bandon,loop 2
Kinsale Junction-loop 3
Albert Quay-the heart of the system-the two cars lurking beneath the overall roof are some of a batch of brass models built by the original model maker attached to the site-A lifelong employee of Inchicore works,he sadly passed away before being able to see his dream fulfilled..................
So-a little piece of south-west Ireland brought into your living rooms
back in a bit with part 3-Leon,more drinks please-looks like we are competing with the 3-way track gang pool tournament in the back bar-it will end in tears,mark my words.............
Well good evening fellow tipplers-I trust we are all well...?
Leon-A bottle of Staropramen for me please,a round for the house,some change for Herr Wurlitzer and a selection of chips,nuts and other munchies for any that favour such distractions.
Right-a 3 parter tonight,first up ,several days worth of acknowledgements which I am honour bound to catch up on,with a couple of midweek model picture postings to follow,so without further ado :-
TOM-Nice work on the TGV network,that Avignon station is some piece of work-one doesn`t have to be a fan of modernist architecture to appreciate the scale & drama of the place-interesting contrast between the Thalys & Eurostar units also. The French have certainly layed out the ground rules in terms of sleek & stylish machinery..........
DOUG-Good to see you -lovely looking buildings around Woodstock and some fine pix of the C.P in Vermont,nice one !!
LARS-Good call on the B+O-Royal Blue & vintage steam -sorry your teams are not coming thru-take heart-you could be a Welsh rugby fan,the only teams they have a hope against are.....ahhh,better stop right there
PETE-nice traction pix mate !!-those 185`s look very slick & sleek, think I mentioned,we had a `50 in NSE livery down here the other week pulling the `Castle` special-sadly got neither number nor pic as I had both arms full of kids at the time and Chrissie couldn`t reach my camera . Nice to see the `47`s enjoying a new lease of life--I do indeed remember Thunderbirds-my fave prog as a kid- slight digression-I always felt that T/B 1 had a lot of the Hawker `Harrier` about it & T/B 2 was what the Lockheed `Galaxy` would have looked like in 50 years time...............Nice pics of that "fairly fast" German pacific-might have been faster with the pipework inside the casing eh ? -Jubilee a design classic-nuff said -also,brilliant Irish URL`s the other day-a whole evenings entertainment there
TOM again-fine shots of the VIA,having now seen the thing in action on the DVD set I have a greater appreciation-looked to be from the same timeframe-certainly had the `Revelstoke Park` on the tail-will check the numbers on the `F` units`-indeed,I was keeping an eye out for you and Carol during the interior shots.......
BK-(& LYDIA) nice rundown on Thanksgiving-something I should know more about, given that my sister and other relatives are Toronto residents
JAMES-Impressive shot of that electric lash--up-I bet they had a `brown-out` across half of town when that started moving-also,let me be the first to wish you for friday
CM3-Impressive work on the D+H (as always)-as has been said before,you have a gift for the use of language-nice one.
TOM (again-and why not) interesting display of heralds-I`m sure the omission of the O.N.R/T.N.O was a subtle & deliberate ploy to draw me out........... The `events` during september section provided some fuel-the Royal train between To. & Allendale is due for an a re-enactment ( In my parallell universe this is the section of line over which my S.O.B (Southern Ontario Bridge) lines operates)-will have to invest in a `mountain` & a set of heavyweights for the historical society .....
LARS-(again)-interesting selection of vid & book covers-if I was allowed a credit card,I would be reaching for it...........
DOUG-(again)-A fine theme submission-Canadian steam,R.D.C`s & The Canadian all grist to the mill. As to the sign-we have an equivalent over here reading :-"Do not throw stones at this notice"-believe they were fixed as ancilliary signage on posts near to public rights-of-way
MENTOR GAZETTE NEWSFLASH-Miss Idaho will be making a (necessarily brief) public appearance at `Our Place` fish & chip night tomorrow-first come,first served.....................................................
JAMES-(again)-Love those VIA `F`s-and was that steamer C.V ?-couldn`t get it large enough to tell,background looked right for it...
ROB-How are you dear boy ?-nice pix back-up to CM3`s D+H piece and excellent C.P.R spread..-Surely,bad puns are the ONLY ones worth bothering with ??? -P.S-loved that E Mail today-ring of truth or what............
MIKE- A fine workout on P.E.I-have only had time to cherry-pick so far but will be back for the rest asap
Right-I think thats me up to date--Leon,set `em up my man-we have a way to go yet-lets get this in the box and go for a photo trawl
back in a bit
G-day Tom and all at the bar.
Rob- Snow... Making a contest sounds like fun. Had about 8 feet last year between December and March. Now thats snow.
Thanks for the comments on the pics I posted Pete. I will try my best to post more pics and atleast give a small explanation given that "If" I know the information. Don't be discouraged though. Canadian railroads I am not completely associated with even though I do like the trains up there. Passenger especially!! I wil take on anything that is part of the theme.
Lars- Thanks for the welcoming. It encourages me to come back here and see what has been going on lately. Everyone has been helpful. So thanks.
Ruth- If you could be so kind as to get me a cappaccino, I would greatly appreciate it.
Now lets get on to the Pics!!!!
Picture from: www.nps.gov/stea/oploc.htm
Picture by: Does not specify
There is no greater sight than a steam locomotive!!!
I am done for now.
Happy railroading!!
James
G'day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!
Ruth, let's start off with a JD on the rocks and see where we go from there . . .
What a fine present left to us by Da Boss! 5- Salute to you, Sir! If there's a "gold mine": around here, 'tis you, Captain Tom! The things you keep coming up with to include and interest one and all is simply amzing - many thanks!
In checking that list, I see the "Gang of 10" plus 4 - which accounts for the active and not-so-active here at the Bar by the Ballast. The dates are of particular interest - aside from being a "great" pick up line <yeah, right!> - in that some of them are a bit surprising. I'm a relative "new comer" in comparison with the rest of "youse guys."
Outstanding series being run by trolleyboy Rob with the CP passenger railways historical info. Good reading and I'm looking forward to more . . . 5 Salute to you, Sir! What's not to like about this place, huh
In reading that September Canadian RR history provided by our Mentor - Tom, I learned something - didn't know Jumbo the Elephant met his demise that way. Not good, not good at all. All in all, another interesting factual submission, which is my guess can be found only on this Thread!
Wondered what kept you away, Pete - but always happy to have you aboard! Things are not the same 'round this joint without our resident Wolfman and it shows! If I didn't know better, I'd swear you were a school teacher - given the way you devour the words posted on these pages. Nothing - and I mean nothing - gets by you. A compliment, Sir, in all respects!
Don't worry about the e-mail, James - it's a "moot point" now - nothing to be concerned about. Glad to see that you're finding your way amongst the characters in this bar. I too add my positive note to those B4 me and welcome your enthusiasm to our gathering.
So, where IS EricX2000 Eric His last post said he'd be back in mid-September - here we are nearly into October. Don't suppose one of those absolutely lovely Swedish babes got hold of him, do ya, huh, huh, huh We can only hope! Been quite a few decades since I last pulled into a Swedish port - and there are some mighty fine remembrances . . . but NOT for posting!
Well, Tom - don't know what in the world to say regarding what appears to be the "news" in Major League Baseball these days. As you so aptly termed it - the collapse of the Cardinals is the talk of the day. We only get what is presented, whereas you have a much more in depth knowledge of things. Surely appears as if your team is staying in those games - not as if they are getting blown away. Nevertheless, a 7 game skid at this juncture ain't good.
That reference to the '51 Dodgers really brought home some memories for me too. I know we've discussed that here on the Thread way back when . . . long time "Bums" fan too and it was difficult to take, wasn't it
Ok - Boris, ring the bell, and Ruth please serve 'em up whatever their preferences - drinks on the Larsman!
Until the next time!
Lars
CLASSIC DIESELS # 32 PASSENGER TRAINS OF THE CPR PT 2
Okay as promissed part 2 of the short histry of CPR passenger service ( ther's more info out there but I'm not writing a book, I'll leave that to the more talented ! )
We left off at the 4 each way of trancontinental service last night which peked in the early 1930's.Only one of these named trains survied to continue service after the second world war.This was THE DOMINION .remenants of the old IMPERIAL did live on as the unnamed trains 1 and 2 between Montreal and Vancouver. There were two trains known as THE DOMINION One ran bewteen Montreal and Vancouver ( trains 7&8 ). The other serving Toronto ( trains 3&4 ).The Toronto section had the US conections at Moose Jaw, this was onofficailly known as the Soo Dominion .Which was operated by the Soo Line between Portal and St Paul, and by the Chicago & North Western bewteen St Paul and Chicago.
The year 1944 represented the all time peak in passengers carried by the CPR, they handled 18,461,000 soles ( this does not include wartime troop trains, alot of these were ent along the CNR )Here's the other few notable years.
An interesting note to is that in any year, most pasengers carried by the CPR did so by coach.Trains that carried forst calss equipment,sleeping cars for overnights and parlour cars for shorter day trips ccontinued to decline in numbers.When one looks at today's rail travel options this accounts for why so little first class service remains.Duirng the war yeasr the CPR ran some important name trains in the east as well.The november 1944 timetable shows two daily trains in each direction from Montreal to Saint John NB. Trains 40-42 eastbound, and trains 39-41 westbound.All of these trains carried sleepers, with trains 39 & 40 carrying a buffet - parlour car between Montreal and Megantic PQ( this is the point where this route crossed into Maine )Some of these cars operated through to Halifax via the CNR. CPR's route to halifax required a ferry, but the ferry did not carry rail cars.
The other important eastern train serving Saint John was The Gull.This originated on the CNR at Halifax. The CPR took it over at Saint John as far as the McAdam NB / Vanceboro Maine boarder crossing, it then ran along the Maine Central to Portland and the Boston & Maine to Boston. ( Imagine all those timetables having to match up ! )
The CPR's Nova Scotia sudsidiary the Dominion Atlantic Railway, also had it's own first calss train service which caried both parlour cars and dinners.This run ran between Halifax and Yarmouth NS as trains 95 & 98 one in each direction.
Between Montreal and Boston trains were run jointly by the CPR and the Boston & Maine throughtb the roads connection at Wells River Vermont.travellers could choose between the daytime Alouette which offered a buffet parlour & observation car or they could take the overnight Redwing. which ran three cpmpartment one drawing room buffet observation cars.As well as twelve section, two double bedroom sleepers.
In the Quebec-Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto-Windsor corrodor ( still the busy VIA route )CPR/CNR had pooled their passenger sevices since te early 1930's.Most of these trains were coach only, but here were still several full service first calss trains as well.Trains 357-358 bewteen Quebec and Montreal departed daily at midnight,with sleeping cars and coaches.Thes had a slow schedule and ran their 178 mile route with arrival at their destinations at 6am. In Montreal sleeping car passengers were :kept on the train until 7:45 and in Quebec City 8:00 am.Four trains a day operated in eacg direction between Montreal and Toronto two on CNR two on CPR.With two departures from Montreal at 11:00pm on each route.Both of these evening trains carried sleeping casr and coaches for the 330 mile route.The CPR edition of this train #21 ( Chicago Express ) had sleepers fopr Hamilton,London,Detroit,& Toronto. they returned eastbound on train 22 ( The Overseas )arriving back at Montreal windsor station at 7:45am.Two ther nemed trains served this route as wellThes wree the Canadian and thr Royal York.The irony of these trains wree as follows The Royal York operated westbound from CN's Montreal station and eastbound into CPR's this ment that it did not directly serve the CP Hotel of the same name.The Canadian ran westbound from the CPR and eastbound to the CNR Montreal terminuses.This name was pulled in 1955 for the CPR's new dlx transcontinental.The sleepers that ran along the corridor between Ottawa and Tornto, and Toronto and Detroit and onto the NYC to Chicago on the NYC Michigan Central affiliate.Thes sleepetr services ended in either Toornto or Hamilton and were run by the TH&B with connections to both of it's owners the CPR and the NYC.
That's enough for now look for part 3 tomorrow.
Rob
Good afternoon Ruth nice to see you again. I think a mixed sub and a nice cold Keith's would be lovely right about now thanks
Well, let me just say again what a wonderfull outpouring of info yesterday. And let me also echo Tom's thoughts on what a shame that more people don't partake in all the fun and info round this joint.I shall try to limit myself to one really bad pun a month. I couldn't resist that one though my fingers just wouldn't stop
Tom-I like the whats your page gift. Puts everything into perspective. Nice to see that most of our core has been online with us in one form or another,since quite early on. 5x for all the continuing support from all our people and critters real or imagined It is testiment to our fearless leader and his gang of merrymen that we are still chugging along on most cylnders every day.
Nice snapshot of railway histroy for september as well Tom. Lots of firsts and lasts of a sort.Speaking of the lasts, there still is a plaque and a satue of Jumbo in St Thomas today, not far from where he "caught" his last train.It's one of those stories that hasn't succombed to the mists of time.I also know many of the crew on the Trillium Rail Port Colbourne branch, many are friends and most are model rr'ers. All of their trackage is former NS&T territory as well, some of it still rides on long abused Algoma made trolley rail !
Pete-I'm glad that you got your machinery to settkle down this morning.That's quite the url for the peservation of the that bridge.The more people that put pressure on the locals the better I would assume.As for the live steam in the west , I know that the West Coast Museum that now owns Royal Hudson 2860 have had a couople successfull, stationary firings of the rebuilt boiler and flues, if all goes well and she passes the govt. inspections 2860 should be back hauling excursions next spring,which is wonderfull news as it's been years and milliomns of dollars of restoration that's gone into the locomotive.
Well Ruth I think another Keith's and a round is in order, thanks. Ring it loud oh cyclops of cyclopses !
So, what's your Page
A new pick-up line at "Our" Place . . . .
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My "gift" for reaching Page 400 and 8,000 Posts!
Hi Tom and all.
As it is just before noon I'll have a cup of your plendid coffee and a bacon roll please RUTH
Server problems ( not me for a change) yesterday meant I was unable to call at the bar for what was one of the best days. I have read all the great posts, Many thanks TOM for the Canadian Encore and those great Heralds, CM3 for the New York- Montreal train info,LARS for the video covers, DOUG that great loco 6400, looking superb for its Royal Train duty.
BK Thanks for the info on the different types of RDC and the photos.Good to see you again JAMES and liked the CP photos.
MIKE I have often wondered about Prince Edward Island, as a youngster I saw the Jubilee class loco bearing the name at Chester station, the loco was in immaculate Ex works condition and the memory of it has stayed with me over 45 years. Thanks for the wonderful history , and of course the great links, I found the one saying about the station closures sad though. Have you heard the Ballad of St Annes Reel by the Irish duo Makem & Clancy?It starts.
"He was stranded in the tiny town on fair Prince Edward Island.
Waiting for a ship to come and find him".
Well ROB I though you would have some great posts and I wasn't disappointed, Looking forward to part two of the Passenger ops of the CP. It would be wonderful to have travelled the Imperial /Trans Canada Limited in its heyday. Great Ads, not sure about the pun though.
I must say I loved that pic of the semaphore signal NICK, as you say a thing taken for granted but now disappearing, and congrats LARS on being the one to start page 400 and have post 8,000.
I have read in Steam Railway that a part of Canada is to have steam again as the White Pass & Yukon is extending their line to Carcross fromWhite Pass. Not such good news is that two of Western Canada's railway structures are under threat of demolition, one is a roundhouse at Victoria and the other is a trestle at Koksilah . I hope they can be saved. For more info on the trestle there is a link
http://www.kinsoltrestle.ca/.
TOM I have just seen your new post so I will sit back, have a Bathams and read it .
Pete.
Significant events in Canadian RR History
during the month of September.
Caveat: Much of the information appearing was gathered from internet sources, with credit to “Colin Churcher’s Railway Pages” at http://www.railways.incanada.net/
* 1839 - September 19th - Official opening of the Albion Mines Railway between Albion Coal Mines and New Glasgow, N.S. using theTimothy Hackworth steam locomotives "Samson", "Hercules" and "John Buddle" imported from England.
* 1856, September 27th: Grand Trunk Railway opens from Guelph to Stratford.
* 1860, September 10th: - the Prince of Wales, later to become King Edward VII, travels between Toronto and Collingwood, Ont and return. The special train of two coaches and an open observation car, was hauled by Northern Railway 4-4-0 locomotive "Cumberland" and was in charge of Superintendent of Motive Power James Tillinghast with Engineer L.S. Williams.
* 1879, September 19th: - The Credit Valley Railway is formally opened by his His Excellency, the Marquis of Lorne, Governor General of Canada at Milton Ontario.
* 1882, September 13th: - The Canada Atlantic Railway is opened between Ottawa and Coteau. This line which was built by John R. Booth was extended, within a period of 20 years, into a system stretching from Georgian Bay to the Vermont border.
* 1883, September 22nd: - The Grand Trunk Railway acquires the 452 mile Midland Railway.
* 1885, September 15th: - the famous circus elephant "Jumbo" is killed by a GTR freight train, hauled by locomotive no. 788 at St. Thomas. It was struck from behind while being lead along the track to be loaded into his car. Jumbo stood 12' 5" high and weighed 7½ tons. The Globe and Mail of 26 Octoober 1951 had the following commentary:
"Jumbo, the Barnum circus elephant killed in St.Thomas on the evening of Sept 15, 1885, literally attacked the old Grand Trunk freight locomotive which struck it. Fred R. Arnum, retired veteran train dispatcher, said today, in breaking a long silence on the tragedy. Mr. Arnum was night operator for the Grand Trunk at the time and is the only one of the 38 railway witnesses who gave evidence at the inquiry in New Yirk City, still living. He was there for two weeks giving his testimony."Mr. Arnum said a circus official disregarded specific instructions given him not to start loading the circus animals until after 9:55 o'clock on the night of the accident and also not until after a yard crew was sent to assist. The locomotive of a westbound freight struck Jumbo in he east yards at 8:18 o'clock."Mr. Arnum said that when Jumbo saw his danger he reared up on his rear legs and struck at the locomotive with such force that he cut off the smokestack. One of the cylinder heads struck the elephant's tusk, driving it back into his head. Jumbo did not breathe his last until 4 o'clock the following morning."
* 1891, September 19th: - The single track St. Clair tunnel under the St. Clair River is opened by the Grand Trunk Railway. Construction had commenced in 1888 upon this tunnel which connects Sarnia with Port Huron.
* 1897, September 24th: - A new double track steel arch bridge is completed by the Niagara Falls Suspension Bridge Company and the Niagara Falls International Bridge Company. The upper floor of the new structure is leased to the Grand Trunk Railway.
* 1914, April 7th: - Grand Trunk Pacific Railway main line is completed between Winnipeg, Melville, Edmonton, Jasper and Prince Rupert. The last spike was driven at a location 93 miles west of Prince George, BC. The first sod was turned at Fort William, on the Lake Superior branch, by Sir Wilfred Laurier on 11 September 1904.
* 1915, September 14th: - a special funeral train conveys the body of Sir William C. Van Horne from Windsor Street station, Montreal, to Joliette, Illinois. Departing at 11:00, it was hauled by 4-6-2 No. 2213. Nearly a mile of drapery was used in decorating the train and the front of the CPR station and office building.
* 1916, September 10th: The Quebec bridge suspension span over the St Lawrence, which was being lifted, buckled and fell into the river killing 10 - 12 workmen.
* 1916, September 11th: - The bridge under construction across the St. Lawrence at Quebec falls a second time, killing another 13 men.
* 1921, September 1st: - The Toronto Transit Commission takes over the street car system in that city upon the expiration of the 30 year franchise of the Toronto Railway.
* 1924, September 15th: - Canadian National opens the 30.66 mile Long Lake Cut off from Long Lake to Nakina, Ontario. It connected the former Canadian Northern and National Transcontinental lines.
* 1928, September 22nd: - the last spike is driven by Premier John Bracken on the Canadian National line between Flin Flon and Cranbe
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee to go, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
Sorry for the quick stop, but off we go again today - at least its sunny outside. I will try and check back later, but will be here for sure tomorrow. I'm eagerly looking forward to reading all of the Canadian information thatw as posted.
Mid-week at the Tavern by the Tracks and what better way to start out than to sample the treats from the Mentor Village Bakery case - some freshly ground and brewed coffee and a selection from the Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast! Boris is waiting to serve you, resplended in his white Chef's outfit, including hat.
Appears that the evening picked up a bit with some outstanding contributions from Rob 'n Mike. All excellent material and worth the read. The background info on PEI was of particular interest to me - novice anthropologist - and it brought back some memories of text books gone by. Too many URLs for my old eyes - all at once - but I did manage to get through most of 'em and have "saved" the rest 'til later.
Much history crammed into those Posts from Rob 'n Mike and whenever we are treated to such efforts, I always think of how many "out there" will never avail themselves of the opportunity to take advantage of the material freely exchanged at the Saloon by the Siding.
And, yes - Rob - that was an awful pun and should earn you a tweeeeet or three, however, I'm giving you dispensation this morning - feeling a bit merciful.
Oh - for those who don't know - the reference to "quitrents" in Mike's narrative may be taken to mean, "land tax."
Looking forward to the remainder of Rob's CP material - which of course extends our "Theme" into this day - which is fine! So, we have Toy 'n Model Trains Day! (optional) along with the remainder of Canadian Passenger Railways info any of you may wish to provide.
Cannot recall a team imploding moreso than this edition of the St. Louis Cardinals - lost again - 7 straight with the lead diminished to a game and a half. <geesh> They are playing well enough to win, but the pitching has been absolutely terrible. Last time one of "my" teams did the "choke" was when the 1951 Brooklyn Dodgers blew a 13 1/2 game lead in August to the NY Giants and wound up losing game 3 of the playoffs to Bobby Thomson and the "shot heard 'round the world!" Giants win the pennant! Giants win the pennant!" shouted the excited Giants broadcaster, Russ Hodges. Ah, do I recall those days (daze). History repeating itself Nah . .
Time to get about the day . . . Boris, serve 'em up all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Remember, Ruth takes the bar at 9 AM 'til 5 PM when Leon the Night Man assumes the awesome responsibilities 'til closing!
THEME FOR THE DAY THEME FOR THE DAY THEME FOR THE DAY
Here's the next bit that I wanted to share wwit everyone today,this will be a bit long winded so I'll post some today and finish it later on. Don't want to cause any eyeball spasms over the morning oj and pasteries
CLASSIC DIESELS # 31 PASSENGER OPS OF THE CPR PT 1
Today the Canadian Pacific is a fright only railway, accept on the portions of the line that hosts VIA, GO Transit,Amtrak, and the odd private passenger run Rockey Mountaineer.The CPR has started running their own "cruise like" passenger service THE ROYAL CANADIAN PACIFIC ( on occation steam powered by Hudson 2816 ) but this is a rare milage extra ( with an extra high price )However during the CPR's first 80 yeasr of existance, passenger srevice was a vital piece of their corporate existance, in fact they did become the world's greatest transportation system with their operations of local,midrange,and transcontinenetal passenger trains married to Hotels,resorts, Steamships and an Airline ! At one point the CPR concidered their passenger service(s) an important cog in their corporate wheel.
It's most recognized passenger service was the transcontinentals and the hotels/ resorts that were built to be serviced by them,however beside giving the "gentry " Van Horne's amazing scenery and hotels these train also served as the colinization route for the influx of settklers to the Western provinces of the Dominion, and thus helped grow the powerfull industrial base that the CPR thrives on in the west today. So here's a few examples of CPR's passemger services.
The first cross-country trains provided by the CPR came on line in 1886. These were the ATLANTIC EXPRESS ( eastbound ) & THE PACIFIC EXPRESS (Westbound )For these trains new cars were built with exteriors of varnished mahogany,with interiors of satinwood,trimmed with inlaid brass and mother of pearl. These were typical Clerestery roofed cars of the time. This service took approx 139 hours to cross the country,giving an average speed of 21mph for the length of the 2,906 mile trip !
In 1899 The CPR launched a new trancontinental train,calling it THE IMPERIAL LIMITED,this train used new cars that the railway had said were "near perfection in their appointments".The name of this train was supposed to reflect the CPR as an all imperial British route to the Orient.This train was operated seasonally ( spring-summer ) on an improved schedule of 100 hours and an ave speed of 29mph.The June 1909 timetable shows train #1 The Imperial Limited departing Montreal at 10:10am arriving Fort William at 8:30pm after travelling the north shore of superior all day.Arrival at Winnipeg was at 9:45am the next morning,crossing the the prairies for most of the day arriving at Calgary at 5:20pm. the Great Divide between Alberta and BC was to be reached at 10:00pmThis schedule didn't allow westbound passsengers to see the Rockies or Selkirks in daylight.However a noon departure from Kamloops four days after leaving Montreal allowed the passengers to see the Thompson and Fraser river canyons with a night time arrival at Vancouver at 10pm.
In 1900 the Imperial Limited began operating a section via Moosejaw sask to the CPR / SOO interchange at Portal North Dakota,with cars running through between Chicago and Vancouver. This was done to further exploit the CPR Hotels and Resorts in BC by bringing them and even wider clientelle.
In 1919 The Imperial limited was replaced by the Trans-Canada Limited.This name had satrted to be used by the summer trains in 1907, it was formally changed in 1919 as this train had even higher service standards than it's predessessors.It was an all first class sleeper train using seven compartment one drawing room cars and a three compartment one drawing room observation car.Plus dinning car service between Montreal and Vancouver.A Toronto section connected at Sudbury.Thios train operated on an even faster timetable 93 hours 30 min from Montreal to Vancouver,92 hours 15 min,in the opposite direction.By june of 1925 four more hours had been cut from this service with the advent of neweer faster locomotives. The CPR hearalded this in their advertisments of the time pushing their convienient arival and departure hours to all te major cities and resorts.
Well that's enough for this insatllment I'll hit everyone with round 2 later.
Hey Mike I see that you snuck one in between mine. Good little story on our littlest province. I haven't peeked at all the pictures yet, but beyond the beautifull scenery ( I could move there in a heart beat )PEI bosted some of the more unique light locomotives that CN rostered in both the daays of steam and in diesel days. From moguls to light weigth GE 70tonners and Alco RSC13's and 24's they wree a unique lot.
Okay , now to the first of my humble effiorts tonight. a couple Classic Ads from another bridge route that once served both Countries. The Toronto Hamilton and Buffalo RY. It of coarse was jointly owned by the Michigan Central, New York Central and the Canadian Pacific so therefore it served it's parents needs and conected the NYC through tthe Niagara Peninsula Giving them a short route throught to Toronto, and the CPR a route back through to New York City. it of coarse hosetd a section of te NYC's Empire State Express.So here are two Ads from around 1941,well one ad and one schedule for the TH&B's train service to the Lake Erie location of Port maitland Ontario at the time the TH&B maintained an amusement park and several dance and recreational beaches which were heavily patronized by users of the NYC / MC / and CPR passengers... Enjoy
CLASSIC ADS # 8 PORT MAITLAND RESORT AD
This is the one page ad for the Train service through to Port Maitland provided by the TH&B
CLASSIC ADS # 9 SCHEDULE FOR THE PORT MAITLAND TRAINS
if you click on both pictures will expand so they can be read clearer
Good to see all the posts from all the people. Congrats on 400 and 8000.
My favorite railroad of Canada is where my grandfather was born and raised on a farm.
The first residents of Prince Edward Island arrived about 10,000 years ago, when the area was still connected to the mainland. These Paleo-Indians led a migratory existence foraging and hunting, travelling throughout the region as the seasons and food supplies dictated. About 5,000 years ago, the sea level rose, removing the land bridge and creating an Island once again.
A thousand years before Columbus PEI was covered by a dense blanket of broadleaf, deciduous trees, and the Micmac called this beautiful Island Epekwitk, meaning resting on the waves.
First sighted in the Gulf of St. Lawrence by Jacques Cartier in 1534, the ealiest French settlements were at Port La Joie, now called Charlottetown, and up the Hillsborough River to St. Peters. North shore sand dunes barred entrance to many of the region's coves and estuaries. Even today fishermen still have trouble getting in and out of harbors safely. Early settlement didn't extend more than one farm deep from the shoreline.
In 1755 the Acadians were expelled from the Bay of Fundy. Many came to PEI and the population approached 5,000. The Island was as much a refugee camp as a colony. In 1758, the British rounded up most of the French settlers on PEI and deported them.
In 1767, the British Board of Commissioners conducted a lottery in which townships were awarded to petitioners. Each new proprietor agreed to pay quitrents to the Crown and to settle his lot with 100 Protestant, non-British persons within 10 years.
Only a few proprietors tried to settle their lots, but before 1800 some communities grew up along the north shore which were stimulated by proprietary interests. Most notable was the settlement of the Tracadie Bay area in 1770 to 1775 by Captain John MacDonald of Glenalladale, who brought over several hundred Scottish Highlanders. Contrary to the conditions of proprietorship, these settlers were Roman Catholic.
Though Canada was officially federated at Charlottetown, PEI itself didn't become Canada's 7th Province until the unfinished Prince Edward Island Railway had run out of money, joining in 1873 for a constitutional guarantee of rail service on the Island.
The railway was developed from Tignish in the west end to Souris in the east end, with branches into Georgetown and Charlottetown.
Originally narrow guage, then dual guage after 1917, when a new 12-car, ice-breaking rail ferry, the Prince Edward Island, insured year-round access to the mainland. Standard guaged by the 1930s, and totally dieselized by 1948 to save the cost of shipping coal to the Island. The railway remained vital to PEI's mainstay potato crop into the1970s. Probably no one on Prince Edward Island was happy about it when the then recently deregulated CN succeeded in its effort to end service in 1989. Today about 75% of the right of way is hiking trails.
1st Locomotive
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Morning Train
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PEI Wheat field
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Charlottetown, PEI
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Charlottetown Roundhouse in the lower right corner near the water
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Charlottetown Station
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Some Color
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Standard and narrow guage track
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Ferry from Borden across Northumberland Strait to New Brunswick
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Winter
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Last Coach to Souris 1967
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Interior of coach
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Freight area of coach
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Coach in 2003, too long left to the elements
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"Million Dollar Train" at Charlottetown 1919
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Freight train 1940s
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Mixed train, freight and coach 1960s
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Inspection car 1930
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Wharf at Georgetown about 1917
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Conductor's tarriff book
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Notification of package, Canada penny postcard. Victoria's right profile on postage?
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Emerald Junction 1982 color
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Railway Crossing, Glencorradale 1980 color
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CN closed 17 stations in 1967
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St. Peter's Bay station
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Morell station
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Vernon River station
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Montague station
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Royalty Junction station
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Kinkora station
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Caboose at St. Margaret's. CN serves all Canada
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Maple Leaf boxcar
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Good evening Leon, I think a large helping of guiness would be a go for me this evening sir. Oh and I'll leave a bit extra to help out with the odd round tomorrow as well.I'm glad I made it back in,worked the entire day open to close at the stiore today 12 hours of wonderment and merriment fer sure fer sure Seems everyone was "sick" today ah the joys of retail
Anywho , one heck of a good selection of Passenger tidbits from my neck of the woods from everyone today 5x for everyone's efforts to be sure.
Tom-Great start offs with the CPR reprise and the fine selection of good old Heralds, most from days ( daze) gone by.I know what you mean about those fine liveries of the halcion days of CPR and D&H passenger service,and with stainless steel beauties to boot as well. here's one to support CM3's fine efforts on the D&H service through to Montreal.
Doug- I'm glad that you were able to take the time out to pop by. Wonderfull posts n pix.I have to say that I'm not the biggest fan of streamlining but those CN and GTR 6400's weren't too hard on the eyes. The museum of stream and technology in Ottawa has CNR 6400 I believe. Great story and write up on the Canadian as well sir . Oh it was nice to meet Miss Idaho as well. Better keep her from Boris though he may find her "appealing" I know Tom I'm sure that bad puns are a definate tweetable offence around here !
Lars-Loved both stes of shots from you today as well. I have the two F unit ones though on DVD now both on the same disk, they have some truly wonderfull scenes on them as well. The books were as always right on and appropriate to the day
BK-Nice RDC rundown sir ! 5x for you and your research dept.I know the good captain appreciated it.
James-great post sir, your catching on perfectly, and two wonderfull shots to support our efforts today as well We should have a running dialogue this year to see who between you,myself and BK get the most fluffy whitestuff this year. Actually Tom and Lars& CM3 usually get quite the blankett as well. I know Tom the more the merrier eh
So I shall apolpgise for the late for the late grouping of posts,but I couldn't let it ride without some input from me.
A fine day here at the Saloon by the Siding as the "Theme for the Day!" has generated all kinds of interesting information!
CM3 - good stuff on the D&H connection - all that is needed are Pix! Great livery, wasn't it As always, your narrative "puts one" right into the scene you create. Well done! Round 'n quarters appreciated . . .
Lars - to answer a question from some days back, the answer is, "No." The subway system has not been started yet and I make no promises that it will be complete by the time of our 2nd Annual Rendezvous. However, once the winter sets in, my guess is I'll "get the urge" and go for it!
Nice selection of videos to fit in with the "Theme"!
Doug - don't know which I liked better - the Northern 4-8-4 or the "funny"! Both well done!
BK - many THANX for the BC Rail RDC! Love 'em, love 'em. Makes it very special for me in that once you've traveled aboard the route that is being discussed, the meaing is so much more - meaningful! Also, a good addendum to your "Canadian Thanksgiving class"!
Doug (again) - The Canadian! Now that's a great selection and as with the D&H, all that is needed are some Pix! Appreciate your giving us some of your very limited personal time - means a lot!
Lars (again) Great bookcovers and fits well with the parameters for our "Theme"! Congrats on being the guy who provided the 8,000th Post! You turned the page to 400 and now have an additional 'distinction.'
James (CMSTPP) Nice selection of most appropriate Pix for our "Theme"! Well done . . . Just be yourself while at the bar and all will work out just fine. We really appreciate your interest - your enthusiam and your willingness to fit in. There isn't any "format" to follow or "procedure" as such when making a Post. Believe me, the guys are all happy you are here and want to make you feel at home - so let's hear some more about YOUR favorite "classics"!
Before I forget - the "Theme" for next Tuesday is:
AT&SF Railway (Santa Fe passenger ops)!
I'm going to check out for the night - so Leon, give 'em what they'd like and I'll catch y'all in the AM.
Boris, ring the bell!
G-day Tom and those at the bar.
Leon, If you could kindly get me my afternoon coffee, it would be much appreciated.
Thanks for the comments on my EMD (somewhat) knowledge Rob. and what do you mean frosty?!.......snow.....uhoh... Umm.. anyway, yes winter is coming and life is about to get a little harder here in the North but, we live with it. ( not to mention those that also get snow)
Tom- Thanks for the heads up on that info... I know now what to do, but if I do make a mistake please tell me. I don't want to get into trouble.
Lars- I did not recieve your e-mail. I don't know whats going on, but hopefully you can send it again without problem.
I know.. I am still learning Budkar (sorry don't know your name) but hopefully I will get better at this as it goes. Thats the other thing have to work on.. Your names. I am a bit of a slow learner but I should know your names by the end of this week.
But here are a few Canadian Passenger trains to end with.
Photo from: http://www.underwesternskies.net/via.html
Nice shot of the VIA train. You've got to like the F-units. There pretty.
Picture from: www.snowcrest.net/photobob/cnp26.html
Another cool shot of the VIA rail passenger train. Can't tell what locomotives are on the front. (pretty sure there Fs)
I am hoping this is the way you guys want me to write my posts. I believe I have done everything asked..if not.. just tell me. I don't have a problem with it.
Happy railroading!
Since I have the honor of posting the 8,000th reply on this Thread - let's have a round of whatever the guys want. Set 'em up, Ruth and ring the gong, Boris!
An interesting day, thus far with the "Theme" bringing out some fine information. I'm sure Captain Tom will thoroughly enjoy that last one from Doug on "The Canadian" - one of Tom's most favorite trains. I know I did. Also some great info on that "Northern" steam locomotive along with a "cute" funny pix! Really great of you to spend some of your very few free hours with us - not at all unnoticed and most appreciated by many!
BK - some fine input on the RDCs of BC Rail - another of Capt Tom's favorites - nice choice! I get a kick out of your 'profundities' and if nothing else, they excite the grey matter!
This is probably "it" for me today - so I bid adieu to those of you who "took the time and made the effort" to provide some fun stuff for the "theme"!
Ruth, a round if you please and I'll have another frosty cold Keiths . . . .
Continuing with the "Theme for the Day!" here are some books featuring Canadian Passenger Railways:
Hi again Ruth! I'm afraid I have to upload and leave ...sorry about that. I see BK is doing his part to keep things active! Here's my humble submission:
The Canadian
Toronto to Vancouver, Canada
Though rerouted from its original Canadian Pacific (CP) rails, the Canadian from Toronto to Vancouver remains one of the world’s greatest trainrides.
Both a time machine and a magic carpet, it whisks its passengers across the vast variety of Canadian topography. This is a leisurely journey, however, taking some 74 hours to travel 2,760 miles (4,444 km) over the Canadian national (CN) line. VIA Rail Canada, the national rail passenger corporation, which operates the Canadian, essentially owns no track but runs on the CP and CN rails.
The Canadian’sjourney embraces the wild terrain of the Canadian Shield, a rugged expanse of Precambrian rock, muskeg swamps, countless lakes, rushing rivers, and endless forests; the fertile wheatfields of Saskatchewan; and the mountains of Western Canada – the Rockies, the Selkirks, later the Coastal Range – some crowned in snow year-round. This country, among the most beautiful in North America includes such highlights as Pyramid Falls, the Albreda Glacier, Moose Lake, and Mount Robson.
And the [Canadian itself is beautiful to look at – a sinuous silver train of perfectly matched stainless steel cars that occasionally number as many as 35 in peak season. (In winter and the shoulder seasons, the train often a third that size or smaller, providing a travel experience in many ways preferable). These cars comprise day coaches, a mid-train dome lounge, a smartly appointed diner, dome-observation car with rounded “bullet lounge” at the train’s end, and sleeping cars.
The sleeping cars offer roomettes, bedrooms, and drawing rooms (now called single, double, and triple bedrooms), all with showers. There are also “open sections”, upper and lower berths that are made down at night and hung with heavy curtains, a sight more familiar in old movies than contemporary train travel.
Canadian Pacific Railway placed this equipment into service in 1955 as the Canadian, running between Vancouver and both Montreal and Toronto. In the early 1990s it was thoroughly rebuilt mechanically (changing to a “head-end-powered” electrical system for heating, air-conditioning, and lighting) and refurbished cosmetically. Modern art now adorns the walls, and the color scheme throughout runs to blues and grays, with rose accents in the dining car.
With the upgrading VIA introduced the Silver & Blue for Bleu d’Argent) class: riding in sleepers, with meals included in the ticket price. Ironically, the upgrading followed massive cuts in VIA service. This included canceling the original Canadian service on the CP line. This route hugged the shore of Lake Superior in Ontario, served Banff and Lake Louise in Alberta, then corkscrewed through the famous Spiral Tunnels. But VIA moved the “Canadian” name and equipment to the CN route to the north.
While the loss of service on the historic CP route in the west is lamentable (thought the Rocky Mountainer, a privately owned tout train, does serve it in summer), the Canadian’s current run via Jasper and Yellowhead Pass has plenty of scenic charm, especially when seen from the dome windows of a classic 1950s streamliner.
Good Morning Captain Tom and all assembled!
A fine outpouring this morning as the "Theme" information is on track!
Ruth, you are indeed looking - "healthy" - a mug of hot coffee with just a "splash" to make it interesting, if you please! Nothing from the Menu Board, as I am in the mood for pastries from the Mentor Village Bakery case.
No point in continuing the redundancy insofar as the mention of all the postings, however, good to see the return of Rob - the success of Nick with the photos - the visit by James, who is still learning how we interact around here - the short lived day off from Doug - the continued support from Lars - the anticipated morning visit from CM3 and of course the contributions from our 'steamed Proprietor, Tom! Fine efforts, gentlemen!
In reviewing those heralds put forth by Sir Tom, it would seem that they represent only a smidgeon of the number of railroads that carried passengers in Canada. Wondering aloud, it would be interesting to know just how many there have been AND how what was the greatest number in any particular decade
Pleased to note that my "Thanksgiving" history lesson went over well! Having had the benefit of U.S. and Canadian heritage, I suppose one could say ours was the best of both worlds. There is much, much more to the story of how Canada settled upon the 2nd Monday in October for the "date." Here is an excerpt Lydia found . . .
Much like the United States, Canada seemed to have a difficult time deciding when a day of Thanksgiving should occur. From 1879 to 1898 it was celebrated on a Thursday in November; from 1899 to 1907 on a Thursday in October (except in 1901 and 1904 when it was celebrated on a Thursday in November); from 1908 to 1921 on a Monday in October; and between 1922 and 1930 the Armistice Day Act declared that Thanksgiving would be celebrated on Armistice Day, the Monday of November 11. In 1931 the Act was amended and the old practice of Parliament declaring a day of Thanksgiving each year was resumed.On January 31, 1957 Parliament issued a proclamation to fix permanently the second Monday in October as "a day of general Thanksgiving to Almighty God for the bountiful harvest with which Canada has been blessed."
Something for our "Theme" . . .
BC Rail RDC-1 (copied from a copy; origin unknown)
Budd manufactured five basic variants of the RDC: The RDC-1 — an 85 ft (26 m) all-passenger coach seating 88 passengers. The RDC-2 — an 85 ft (26 m) Railway Post Office and passenger coach configuration seating 71 passengers. The RDC-3 — an 85 ft (26 m) variant with a Railway Post Office, a baggage compartment and 44 passenger seats. The RDC-4 — a 65 ft (20 m) variant with only the Railway Post Office and baggage area. The RDC-5 (also known as the RDC-9) — an 85 ft (26 m) passenger coach seating 82, with no independent control cab. The RDC-1 was powered by two 6-cylinder Detroit Diesel engines, each of 275 hp (205 kW).
The RDC-1 was powered by two 6-cylinder Detroit Diesel engines, each of 275 hp (205 kW).
The last operator of a large original self-powered fleet was BC Rail (British Columbia Railway) who's daily Cariboo Prospector service operated until the end of October 2002. At times the BC Rail fleet included nearly a dozen RDCs, and no less than five RDCs remained in daily use until the end. This was an impressive run for the RDC, since they had been bought from new by the Pacific Great Eastern (BCRail's direct predecessor) in 1953 for use on same route as they operated until October 2002. Since the discountinuation of this service, the five remaining fully operational BCRail Budd cars were sold on to two other operators, the Oregon Department of Transport and The Wilton Scenic Railroad. Three non-serviceable but repairable Budd RDCs from BCRail's fleet are now located at the West Coast Railway Hertitage Park in Squamish BC, and BC-33 is back in service and offering rides within the West Coast Railway Associations' Heritage Park in Squamish BC.
I leave you with this profound thought:
You must get involved to have an impact. No one is impressed withthe won-lost record of the referee.
BK in Alberta, Canada's beautiful high mountain country!
Good morning Ruth, and did you miss me? I used to have a permanent stool around here somewhere. I'll take a creosoted draft, and pick-up and round for whatever the house is drinking. Why am I here at this hour? 'Cause I took the day off from job#1 to attend the pre-drywall inspection of the new abode. Got that done, and now it's time to post, cut some grass and then get ready for job#2.
Nice "blast from the past from Tom, supported by Lars, along with the weekly schedule and theme videos. Tom also got today's theme rolling with his nostalgia and herald posts. Well done sirs! Nice to see BK and his Canadian Thanksgiving post. Loved the pix and info on the LMS Jubilee from Pete. Welcome to James, and hope to see more of you! Nick posted pix! Good job to you too sir! Nice to see Rob pop in, and CM3 made a nice theme related post with his Delaware & Hudson submission. Here's a little something from me:
Srtreamlined No. 6400 is a Northern or 4-8-4 type built for Canadian National at Montreal Locomotive Works in 1936 (6400-6403 in June and 6404 in July). These five U-4-a locomotives, and six similar Lima-built U-4-b’s for Grand Trunk Western in 1938, were intended to be high-speed passenger locomotives (77” drivers versus all of CN/GTW’s many other 4-8-4’s which had 73” drivers). All were assigned to mainline service in southern Ontario (CN’s five) or in Michigan (GTW’s six); all survived in service until the close of CN and GTW’s steam operations in early 1960. The fleet of 203 4-8-4’s owned by CN and GTW was easily the largest in North America; no other road owned even 100.
These engines were built with shrouding specially designed to eliminate wind resistance and to mitigate smoke problems for the engine crews, all based upon a wind tunnel testing program using wooden models, jointly conducted by the National Research Council of Canada and Canadian National.
The standard colors for CN and GTW’s 6400’s called for an olive green on the cab, running board skirts, nose stripes, and tender set off by imitation Gold striping and lettering. The numerals on the skirts, and the front number plate were polished brass. Vermillion red was also used as the background on the number plate and tender monogram. The balance of the locomotive was painted black.
No. 6400 pulled the Royal Tour Train of August 1939 over the CN portion of the tour east of Redditt, Ontario where CN 6409, a U-1-e 4-8-2 took over. This photo shows the engine made ready for this service with Royal Blue supplanting the standard olive green, and royal crowns affixed to the running boards and the royal coat of arms to the nose. Just before the tour, No. 6400 was taken to the New York World’s Fair at Flushing Meadow, where this photo was taken on July 5, 1939.
This special service contributed to the 6400 being chosen for preservation at Canada’s National Museum of Science and Technology in Ottawa, while the balance of the U-4-a’s and all the GTW’s U-4-b’s were scrapped in the 1960s.
And now ... for the "Our Place" lingerie show ... I give you Miss Idaho
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