"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[Anonymous]

Tom, no hurry for the Frisco data but thanks in advance. BTW, e-mail pending a.s.a.p. Think I'll try an old fashioned Tom Collins with Beefeater's Gin, hold the garbage please. No Boris, "Great Sultan's Harem of unsanitary sex Slaves!" Not that "garbage!" I don't know how Nick keeps our larder free from pestilence with Boris mucking about?[alien]

CM 3, my modest effort at "garden R.R.ing" has little to do with gardening. I have a "stub end" line running about 85' to a 9'-10" dia. loop and a 14' passing siding. It is braced off my hidious privacy fence at about 40" above ground level. No plants but lots of native animals, i.e. salamanders, tree frogs and the like. Rolling stock is a Aristo Craft (D.C.C.) Gas Electric (Santa Fe), R.P.O. and some box cars with a scratch built Cincinatti Car after the Kansas City, St. Joseph and Clay County protoype thrown in for fun. I saw your pix of the outdoor layout and its "lookin' good." There is lots to do on mine when this "Monsoon Season" abates.[banghead]

I'm beginning to believe some people were put on this earth just to make life miserable for others, you know; along the same lines as mosquitos, scorpions, poisonous snakes, and the like. I concur with Tom that New York City seems to have more than their fair share.[:O] However, I can't remember when so many of these malcontents ended up as U.S. Politicians and Judicial psychpaths. Their only "pledge" is to egocentricity, their Temples- -Test Tubes.

Okay Tom, I try to get "online" early in the a.m. everyday. If possible, I check in again around 1pm - 3pm. This isn't "carved in marble" as life deals us a Joker now and then. Everybody take care and "if you are too busy to go surfin' now and again, you're just too busy." Happy rails.

[siberianmo]

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Frisco

Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Route mileage in 1950: 5,100

Locomotives in 1963 (all diesel-electric):

Freight: 286
Passenger: 23
Switchers: 102

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 17,889 Passenger cars – 230

Principal routes in 1950:

St. Louis-Quanah, TX
Kansas City-Birmingham, AL via Ft. Scott, KS
St. Louis-Memphis
Amory, MS-Pensacola, FL
Monee, MO-Paris, TX
Sapulpa (Tulsa) OK-Dallas/Ft. Worth
Fort Scott-Afton, OK
Kansas City-Springfield, MO via Clinton, MO
Monett-Ellsworth, KS
Tulsa-Avard, OK
Nash, MO-Hoxie, AR

Passenger trains of note:

Black Gold (Tulsa-Fort Worth)
Firefly (Kansas City-Oklahoma City)
Kansas City-Florida Special (Kansas City-Jacksonville)
Memphian (St. Louis-Memphis)
Meteor (St. Louis-Oklahoma City & Fort Smith, AR)
Oklahoman (1st iteration) (Kansas City-Tulsa)
Oklahoman (2nd iteration, 1965-67) (St. Louis-Oklahoma City)
Southland (Kansas City & St. Louis-Atlanta & Pensacola)
Texas Special (St. Louis-San Antonio & Forth Worth)
Will Rogers (St. Louis-Oklahoma City & Wichita, KS)

Of note:
Southern Railway handled trains east of Birmingham.
MKT (Katy) handled the Texas Special between Vinita, OK and Texas destinations.

For Ted
The route maps for Frisco that I have, only reflect central and south central U.S. trackage. Further, there are NO references to thru passenger trains to the west coast under the Frisco name. Thru car service, no doubt, but with other carriers. In the 1960’s freight trains #37 and #437 ran jointly with AT&SF between Birmingham, AL and LA. A motive-power pooling agreement was reached along with restrictive trackage rights. It should be noted that from the onset of FRISCO’s existence, the competing railroads succeeded in keeping them from ever reaching California. So, what’s in a name [?]! And, yes – it is confusing. [swg]

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning All! I see there are some responses to catch up on .....

Top o' the mornin' to ya, Ted!

Glad you held up on that response to Gunns Kevin UNTIL he particpated in the CONTEST - would have made my coercive efforts rather watered down! [swg] Where in the world did you locate the 1950 fares [?] I just began with a few cursory search engine efforts, but came up with zip, zero, ziltch. Next stop was my not-so-vast library of hard covered passenger railroad books ....... Thanx for sparing me the time and effort! [tup]

Gunns Kevin Your answer has been provided - and quite promptly indeed! Now insofar as the pix is concerned, my guess is that it was taken of a spaceship about to be launched back in the days when some Kooks were announcing they were going to catch up with the Comet Hale Bopp for their salvation [?]. [swg]

Oh [yeah] Appreciate your willingness to pick up the slack during the absence of three of our number ...... ! [tup][tup]

Au contraire Ted - Eternal optimist that you are, I'm afraid you don't spend the time with this as I do. It may appear by the numbers game that we're healthy - but I assure you that isn't the case. We are doing well only because of our nucleus who fall into the category of IGASARTS. Send me an Email and I'll gladly define that for you! [swg]

Concur about Quality Control which translated means I remain on top of the Posts ... and the Comaradia - as you put it - is very evident amongst the nucleus. Long live the core ... sorry, USMC! (Corps ..... for those who didn't catch it [;)]

earlydiesels Dan Thanx for reinforcing my outburst of bad and ill mannered behavior! I know it wasn't the proper or civil thing to do - but somewhere in my humble beginnings as a kid in NYC, I learned rather quickly what one must do in those unexpected and rare circumstances I encountered. Don't like 'em one bit - but it just isn't in me to smile and walk away. Barf! [:(!]

Ted Stay tuned regarding the Fallen Flag Posts ..... I'm going to limit them to occasional so as not to dilute their effectiveness. Your request will be honored! [tup]

Dan Appreciate the info regarding your schedule for the Midland ... looks like I gotta make a decision. I'd like to do this in a one day timeframe - really not interested in remaining overnight (RON - for you military types!). So, I'll check with the bride to see if she can spare me for a Saturday ....... [swg] Hold it! I just reread your Post - the RS3 hasn't run all sseason[?] What! That's one of the primary reasons for the trip (for me!) - I did see the pix way back when you first introduced us to Midland ..... hmmmmmm. [tdn]
However, I guess putting up with the Alco will just have to do! [swg]

Garden Railroading 'round here is LGB at Christmas time. Have two sets arranged 'round the tree - one freight, one passenger - both Euro - and they sure add a lot to the flavor of the season. That's the extent of it for me. The Weber Haus has HO - S - O and G gauges in operation. Geesh! Is that enough [?] [swg]

By the by - thanx for being willing to help out with the Posts during the time three of our Regulars will be away ....... [tup]

Catch ya later and HOW COME YOU'RE NOT IN THE CONTEST [?]


Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Morning all. I'll have the usual--dognuts and black coffee, please. A rainy morning in SW Mo. We had severe storms night before last and lots of folks lost power but we were lucky. All this rain should reduce our almost 7 inch deficit.
Tom, I don't have any patience with rude, stupid, or idiotic people.I generally have the wife handle situations like that so I won't blow up. If I had been in your shoes, I would have drove over there and done what you said you would.
Pete and Tom, the weather is getting cooler which means you have no further excuses for not visiting the Midland. Our season ends around Halloween and we have some big events before that time. I suggest a regular service weekend as the pace is slower and I would be able to give more personal attention. We will be there this coming weekend and the next time will be the 1st and 2nd. More specifics and I will have to get with the crew caller (wife) and the GM. The RS3 hasn't ran all season so we will more than likely use the Alco-EMD.
I am supposed to start a new job next week so it looks like evenings will be the time when I can help out around Our Place. I haven't turned any one on to Our Place but I have tried to set up Gunns with one of our conductors from the Midland. He is taking an Amtrak trip west next month and wants to check out the 2926. He is also supposed to ride the Cumbres and Toltec Scenic on a fall colors special. (Lucky cuss!)
Any one in here a garden railroader? The local group is having their annual tour the 23rd and 24th. Missouri's only garden rr shop is a sponsor and the local rr museum will be a stop on the tour. The Saturday date is also the annual old railroaders picnic which is held in the same park our museum is. Great food, too.

[Anonymous]

Oh yes, bon voyage to *** and "better half" and [bday] to Master Robin with best wishes to the happy couple.

[Anonymous]

Wow, it has take me 2-1/2 hours to catch-up on the previous posts from my last "post" 8:30 a.m. Yesterday. Let's have a cup of "Master Blend," and a toasted Bagel w/cream cheese and apple jelly, please Tom. Granted, "new blood" makes for a healthy future, however, "Our" Place is anythig but anemic right now. The quality control is second to none and comaradia never better. Still, with three absentees, we could wear a little thin, I guess. Gunns, the question on ticket fares then and now? This may be of some help: [1950] $100 = $775.18 [2005]; [2005] $12.90 = $100 [1950]. This is according to the "Inflation Calculator" to be found : www.westegg.com/inflation/ Now, this is a general, "all encompassing" rate of inflation, good as only a "general" index.

Nick, thanks for the "bonus" on the Skibberrreen (2' narrow gauge) and Dublin area R.R.ing and rosters. Chris, looks like you have the data requested on the WP trains mentioned. Tom, the "fallen flags" is the best thing since sliced bread. If you can find the time, I would like to know the routing for Frisco trains from St. Louis to the West Coast, i.e. over what other Road's right-of-way, etc. I know this would be more for West Coast S or passengerfan al but looks like I'm a little late for that.

The Midland trip and excursion sounds great for this Fall but this year I've planned to put my sheckles into a "redo" of the HO and improvements on the 'G' pikes. "If I Were a Rich Man" (Fiddler on the Roof"), there would be no problem. Fixed retirement and soaring fuel prices, etc. make doing both... well, a fantasy. Rob, enjoyed the e-mail and you have some "in the slot on both sides of the doors."[:D] I will try to get to other Posts as they come up but for now, it is on to "pressing matters." Yes, I still iron and press my own shirts, slacks, shine my own shoes and sundry other Neanderthal activities long relegated to the history books. So for now, it is so long until next time.[tup]

[Gunns]

Morning all,
Hi Tom
More coffee, "n" a Pastery

Ahh the contest, My SWAG is 1327

I'll try to hit from work, < mostly 2200 to 0800 mountain >

As for translating prices, I use postage, 1944 postcard, $.03.

Pic of classic Loco.....
Where is he??


Gunns

[siberianmo]

Mornin' CM3

Many, many thanx for the list of B&M RDC stops for the Reading route ... I recalled 9 stations, but couldn't name 'em if my life depended on it! [swg][tup][tup][tup] I had totally forgotten that I took my three little ones aboard the train for round trips from Melrose to Reading and also to North Station back in '69 (the year the Miracle Mets beat the Orioles in the Series, 4 games to 1, remember that [?]). My memory got jogged when I rummaged through my vast collection of 35 mm slides (remember those [?]) and came across some from the days in Melrose.

While I'm at it, thanx also for particpating in our CONTEST, you're in with 1300. AND, your willingness to continue with your morning Posts will surely help! [tup][tup][tup] Phew ....... was beginning to wonder whether we'd get the six requested. [%-)]

You must have been reading my mind, for I've amassed a Fallen Flags series for ACL and SCL; had Ted in mind! [yeah]

I've got one of those monthly guides for all the North American passenger trains back in 1956. It's called The Official Guide of the Railways and Steam Navigation Lines of the United States, Porto Rico (note the spelling!), Canada, Mexico and Cuba - August 1956, 89th year, No. 3. This 3 inch thick guide also contains the time tables of railroads in Central America and air-line schedules. It was published by the National Railway Publication Company in New York City. Single copy went for $4.00, an annual subscription cost $30.00.

I've spent hours browsing through the telephone book type pages and am always captivated by the advertisements appearing in it. Really enjoy it! [yeah] It was given to me as a gift from my youngest son - he found it at a flea market and thought I'd like it. He was sooooooooo right! [swg]

Catch ya later and many thanx! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[coalminer3]

Good Morning All: Round for those of you who are here early (or never left last p.m.) and more quarters for the jukebox. Contest guess for me is 1300 - probably way off but why not. Nick - appreciate your comment re drawing car routings, but by the end of the day, small pieces of paper are all I can handle!

I found a 1969 Official Guide in the "east wing" at the hosue last night so here's the B&M station list our esteemed proprietor requested the other day.

Boston (No. Station)
Malden
Wyoming
Melrose
Melrose Highlands
Greenwood
Wakefield Jct.
Wakefield
Reading

Trip from Boston to Reading was 12 miles. Hope this answers the question.

There was an interesting note in with everything which said, "Budd Rail Diesel Cars operate in coach service on all Boston and Maine Railroad trains without meal service on all trains except trains 20, 21, 75, and 76."

Train 20 was the Washingtonian and 21 was the Montrealer. This had coaches and a lounge car between Washington and Montreal and sleepers between Washington and Montreal and New York and Montreal and a sleeper between New York and White River Junction. I'll get a post together on that b4 much longer.

Trains 75 and 76 were the "Ambassador" which was a fascinating New Haven - B&M - Central Vermont operation between New York and Montreal. I know, there's some more postings lurking out there about this, whenever I get the time.

B4 I forget re "post times, ' I generally try and drop by in the a.m. b4 work.

Now we'll finish up with a list of Atlantic Coast Line "named" trains that were operating in May, 1961.

Between the East and Florida

No. 1 - East Coast Champion
No. 75 - Havana Special
No. 77 - Palmeto
No. 91 - West Coast Champion
No. 375 - Evergaldes

No. 2 - East Coast Champion
No. 76 - Havana Special
No. 78 - Palmetto
No. 92 - West Coast Champion
No. 376 - Everglades

Between the West and Florida (Note "The West" was Chicago or sometimes Cincinnati)
No. 12-15 - South Wind
No. 15 - City of Miami
No. 17 - Seminole
No. 17 - Flamingo (Coaches)
No. 95 - Dixie Flyer

No. 14-11-South wind
No. 14 - City of Miami
No. 18 - Seminole
No. 18 - Flamingo
No. 94-Dixie Flyer

Have a good day.

work safe

[siberianmo]

Hey Nickl

Right on! Really appreciate your jumping on this straight away ....
makes all the difference! [tup][tup][tup]

Have one on me! [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Hey [4:-)]TOM-guess I`m on for the afternoon shift,running into early evening-generally a quiet time around the bar and ill-suited to real-time exchange but with the time difference best I can do,see you all later [C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

HELP WANTED!

Good Morning Guys!

While it may appear that our thread is alive and well, we are essentially down to a real handful of regular supporters for our thread. Just check out the past several SUMMARIES to check who has been in lately - then check out the Posts to see if they are of substance. You'll find that we're down to a precious few indeed.

With the planned absences of three of our more dependable guys - West Coast S Dave; passengerfan Al and wrwatkins *** some help is needed.

I'd like to be able to depend upon the few of us left to try and make at least one post during the following periods: 6 AM - Noon; Noon - 6 PM and 6 PM -midnight. Select your best timeframe and try to remain consistent with it. I'll also try to better group my responses, so that we don't slip too far down the Forum pages.

Finally, has anyone recommended our thread to friends and associates who are interested in trains? It's easy to get into a rut on these Forums - sort of stick with just one site - happens all the time. Also, interests dwindle and change - that's understandable. New blood makes all of us rekindle our enthusiasm! [tup]

Thanx!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Gunns I'll try to find out IF you participate in the CONTEST!!

Not sure there'd be any way to translate the ticket prices from, let's say 1950, to 2005 without using one of Rob's formulas ...... [swg]

See ya ......

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Gunns]

Evening all,
Need coffee..... <did a 19 hr day allready and am back at work after 4 hrs sleep>
and Protien,

Anyway I have a thought experiment, and a question.

The Question, "How much did a "name" train ticket cost? say fron Chi town to LA?"

And the thought Experiment, what would the same Service cost today?

I really don't know.....

Gunns

[siberianmo]

THURSDAY’s NEWS & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Mornin’ Guys! Coffee’s fresh ‘n hot - Let’s get right to it ……….

News of the Day:

(1) Tonight is our Fish ‘n Chips Nite along with our great steaks ‘n fries. Perhaps Nick our Chief Chief [C=:-)] will delight us with something special on his Nick’s Picks Menu board. [tup]

(2) CONTEST

We now know the order of Posts amongst the Regulars, but how many does the Proprietor have thru Page 100[?] Take a crack at that one …….

Shouldn’t be too hard to wager a guess from the statistics given in Tuesday’s SUMMARY. To help you compute the number, there were 42 Posts from people who were not listed in the SUMMARY.

At least six customers must participate in order for the Prize to be awarded. Prize will be announced on Friday, along with the winner! [;)]

Participants and guesstimate (closest wins):

Theodorebear Ted 1200
nickinwestwales Nick 750
CFournier Chris 1234
trolleyboy Rob 815
pwolfe Pete 900

(3) repeat Fallen Flags Requests for information on a specific railroad will be honored providing I can find the data within my library. Then it’s a labor intensive matter of typing it into a word processor format for transfer to the thread. It may take awhile, but I’ll get there …….. just keep checking out what’s going on ‘round here! Isn’t that the idea, anyway [?][;)]

Missed any? Check out pages 106 & 108 for

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 08:06:01 (107) Wednesday’s News & Summary

(2) CFournier Chris Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 09:45:31 (107)

(3) wrwatkins *** Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 10:08:52 (108)

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 10:29:15 (108) reply to CFournier & wrwatkins

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 10:31:20 (108) Fallen Flag – WP

(6) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 11:19:11 (108)

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 11:47:49 (108) reply to trolleyboy

(8) passengerfan Al Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 14:36:05 (108)

(9) CFournier Chris Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 15:06:50 (108)

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 15:35:29 (108) reply to passengerfan & CFournier

(11) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 19:01:51 (108)

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 19:30:11 (108) reply to nickinwestwales

(13) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 20:29:19 (108)

(14) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 20:54:54 (108)

(15) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 21:02:28 (108)

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 21:42:31 (108) reply to nickinwestwales

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 23:01:25 (108)

(18) pwolfe Pete Posted: 14 Sep 2005, 23:27:59 (108)

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Sep 2005, 00:34:50 (108) reply to trolleyboy & pwolfe

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That’s it! [tup][;)]
Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Good late nignt Rob and Pete ......... A night made for Insomniacs! [tdn]

Pete Thanx for participating in the CONTEST - you're in with 900! [swg]

Only one more guesstimate needed in order to guarantee a winner on Friday! Geesh, with 14 guys (actually 13, since West Coast S Dave is away...) you'd think geting 6 wouldn't be tough ...... Not![%-)]

Rob My guess regarding your photobucket site is that when you set it up, you may not have checked the box for allowing others to view your contents. Pehaps you should go back to account options to ensure the make public block is checked ..... just my [2c] worth.

Pete The Midland idea needs coordination with earlydiesels Dan, for I'd want to ensure that he'd be working during the period of the visit. Sounds like you're interested - awwwwwwwright, that makes 2 of us then - so far. [tup]

Rob Only when the devastation of New Orleans is finally realized, will things like the loss of those clone trolleys be realized. A shame indeed ......

Pete Power failures will do it every time - unless of course you happen to have a generator sitting out in the garage! We do and it saved our bacon (and everythng else!) during our recent 7.5 hour loss of electricity. Never know what you've got, until it's gone, as the lyrics to a song go ....... Enjoy that Iron City, we've got plenty in the backroom! [swg] Rob didn't order ..... so, there's an Iron City for you too! No citation for rule violation tonight .... too tired to blow the whistle! [zzz]

Catch ya in the 'morrow.

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

I was about to call in last night when we had a bad T-storm and then lost power .

If there is any left can I try an Iron City beer if not one of Nick's Ram Rod bottles will do nicely. For a very short while Ram Rod was available on draught it was wonderful after being only available in our area in cans

Thanks ROB for the info on the subs. Chile was the country I could not bring to mind.

*** Have a safe trip and say HI to ENGLAND for me[tup].

The fallen flags and the follow up by the REGULARS is superb before the lights went out yesterday I was following the MO-PAC lines on a Praries East and Ozarks railroad atlas. COALMINER3 and PASSENGERFAN thanks for the consist info. Has NICK told you about the CALEDONIAN SLEEPER and its consist[?].

Very much looking forward to your pictures NICK
[yeah].

TED I am working on the SKITTLE descripion(It is easier to play it than describe it)

For the compition TOM can I say 900 and can you let me know about the Midland trip.

[tup] PETE

[trolleyboy]

Good evening again gentlemen and [alien]'s Tom Thanks as aslways for the quick email responce a suitable reply has been made. [tup][:D] I agree that I had a fairly interesting higher math equasion for most likley not guessing your correct post count but afterall mathmatics is not my favourite friend.[:(!][xx(] I'm at a loss to why my photobucket accounts not working for you I shall investigate,for me I made a shortcut to it in my favourites on my pc so I'll look and see. Any thoughts that you may have reguarding it's malfunction are surely sought. Nick That is a good idea about using the NO trolley line to bring in supplies but from what I understood the lines are land locked away from regular rail.Also the lines themselves are likley heavilly damaged aas they were in the heavilly flooded areas from my understanding. Mind you *** is right all the authentic Pearly Thomases should be easily fixed by drying them out and lubricatinf the clones are probably now basket cases. Well gents I'm away see you all tomorrow. Rob

[siberianmo]

G'nite Nick Here's the scoop on those smiles:

The smilies that are contained on other web sites, such as the one I use for Awk require a bit of doing:

(1) right click any smilie you see on the thread that aren't Kalmbach's.
(2) scroll down to Properties and click on it
(3) locate the URL and highlight it, then copy it
(4) close Properties screen - click OK
(5) paste your URL in your Post
(6) insert [bracketed] img before URL and [bracketed] /img at the end of it - with NO SPACES between the [bracketed] img and URL or URL and [bracketed] /img
(7) use the Preview reply to check on whether it's runnin' correctly. If not - recheck the steps .......

You can find the smilies at: http://www.railroadforum.com/forum/faq.asp#smilies
Scroll down 'til you find 'em.

A day's drinking for each pix! Awwwwwwright .... let's see - if I reduce that down to hours, and then only spend about 4 hours for each drinking session, why this could stretch out for a bit of time, eh [?] [swg]

As always, some classic stuff in your narrative - unfortuantely, I'm about outta gas and will give it a bit closer scrutiny in the 'morrow!

Thanx for your continued support of "Our" Place .... we're a strange lot, but we sure do enjoy ourselves! [tup]

Leon the Night Man has the bar .......

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

P.S-Almost forgot my manners completely there-Let it go on record that [4:-)]TOM is to drink at my expense for a day for each picture posted,in regard of the effort expended--many apologies my friend,I thought it would be a one-button process......[C=:-)]

[nickinwestwales]

[4:-)]TOM-Have noticed tendancy towards stupid as common denominator in public thinking-I have always considered wholehearted belief in T.V. news to be dangerous thing,whoops,gotta go,the Men in Black are here,moonlight mile for me,night all,nick[C=:-)]

[nickinwestwales]

Well [4:-)]TOM-looks like its just thee,me,Awk & Boris-better fill the pitcher again whilst I attend to the juke-go on then,a small mug for Boris and an egg-cup for Awk-as long as we dont leave them unattended they should be O.K -by the by-how do you get those smilies to work [Whoa!] looks the livin` image of Cindy wouldn`t you say ..? Right,lights down,in assoc. with Mentor Tavern Promotions----pt2 1-Finally-the promised Q1 for Pete`s ugly duckling nomination,with what looks like former S.E&C.R "birdcage" 3-Car set on other track 2-For MANAGER TED & his Gaelic forbears ( four bears ?..) The promised shot of Schull & Skibereen #4 circa 1937 3-A pair from the Tal-Y-Lyn-in Corris Railway red,#4 Edward Thomas-In green,new engine "Tom Rolt"-scruff in foreground with idiot grin is self 4-A bit of an oddity- a De-Winton vertical boiler 0-4-0 for 2ft gauge-built in a foundry at the docks in Caernarvon,quite widely used in the local slate quarries at one time-shown here at Gala day at local Teifi Valley Railway about ten years ago 5-A 4-shot composite here,various shots of Dublin-Rosslare & Waterford-Rosslare formations shot about a half mile south of the Jn at Rosslare Strand about 3 years ago 6-another composite-this time of assd G.M.D & English Electric power in W.C. livery between duties working M-G-R coal trains into Didcot power stn. about 2 years ago (hottest day on record in U.K.-massive traffic queues on way home[banghead]situation all round) 7-And for dessert,something continental,another 4-shot,this time of Slovenia,the most N-W province of former Yugoslavia-2 pix of local service railcars-sound like mech. transmission rather than traction motors-run in multiples of 2-no idea of origins but have an "Italian" look about them-which would fit with historic ties-also 2-8-0 "Kriegslok" type-apparently the state railway maintain a half-dozen steamers in main-line condition with a set of appropriate (if slightly mixed)stock -including the blue/green painted post/pass car at the tail. the other shot shows an end view of the only freight wagons I saw on the trip-3 loads of roadstone dumped out with a 48 hour turnaround on the empty collection-pix taken sept 99---right,thats me done,mind collapsing around me...which way door?............Wha?........oh yeah,.............................night gentlemen-dont forget-thurs we have a little Soiree de Poisson-throw me your idea`s for a theme and I`ll see what I can find to fit,......ttfn.nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Nick[C=:-)] Suprised that you'd be in the kitchen tonite ..... Wednesday's we normally don't serve dinner [dinner] [swg] But, dedication is something not to fool with! [tup]

Your Emails have arrived and on first review, I'd say they should upload nicely. The process for me is to transfer them to my hard drive - use my photo program where needed - then upload them to the cyber album. WIll tackle that in the 'morrow. Not a problem for me .... let's just say if we ever meet up in a real life situation, I'll have sufficient brew for the rest of my days (daze)! [yeah]

Your comment regarding the headline in your local gazette regarding the Titanic makes me wonder how present day media would handle it. They'd be delighted to be the first to conclude that the Captain was at fault (which he was) .... I can just hear the cable news "wonks" now ..... Coming to you live from the frigid north Atlantic, survival for some, drowning for others - but first a message from our sponsor ........

Got in a "black rage" (your term) just a couple of days ago with an absolute jerk at our local Pharmacy. Seems he couldn't provide the phone number of the place, since he wasn't the one waiting on me! Back up ..... I turned in a prescription for my wife .... there was a need for the prescribing Doctor to be reached by phone for clarification .... I needed the Pharmacy number to give to the Doctor so they could straighten out what needed to be clarified ...... the lady Pharmacist who waited on me was otherwise engaged when I asked for the phone number - Idiot boy received my wrath (verbal) - when he came across rather offensive, he soon changed his tune when he noted that I wasn't about to put up with his BS any further. I'm 67, but I'd wipe the parking lot clean with his butt .... End of story. Doesn't happen very much - in fact it's been years since an explosion like that occurred. Must've been just the combination of negativity filling up my head these days (daze) ... OR just that my tolerance for rude and inconsiderate people has a very low threshhold ....... [#offtopic] Drinks on me! Boris Ring the bell, and ring it loud!

Glad you like those Fallen Flag Posts - check out coalminer3's latest ... good stuff! [tup]

Cheers to Master Robin! [yeah][wow] And good health to Mom & Dad! [swg]

Catch ya later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Well Hi guys !-all well I trust?,splendid !...[4:-)]TOM,glasses for the house and pitchers to fill them if you please,we have a toast-Gentlemen,will you join me in celebrating the safe arrival of master Robin,first-born son of Fran Evans & Ritchie Joseph (our bass player ),all of Llangwm parish on Sat 10th,all are doing well [^][^]--now TOM,if your machine has just stopped dead ,sorry-likely my fault,2 E-Mails with att. on way-Dalwhinnie-small coaltown in the Kingdom of Fife if memory serves(2 lazy 2 check)-W.P-remember an article about the Reno Jn branch in an M.R.Planning special--for a bedroom-size spread on 2 levels,very attractive prospect especially for someone like myself,crossing disciplines,as a tester layout-small roster,which could be duplicated for different eras,stock likewise-fairly spartan environment so no huge outlay on kits & bits-yes,struck a chord there !-nice one,by the by-if you and CM3 are going to start marking out car routings I would suggest pushing the pool tables together,covering with some old sheets or tablecloths and using marker pens-napkins & biro`s are never going to hold you..........[:)] ***-safe journey my friend,may your god fly with you,-Your point earlier R.E. the N.O.sreetcar system got me thinking so here`s one to toss around the bar :- assuming of course that the system is standard gauge,how useful could it be as a route in for repair materials-could std cars of any sort be used-plenty of 40` cars still in M.O.W. service-lots of em with mobile workshops-or are there ?--just a thought...CHRIS-ashamed to say missed both events-local media more concerned with milk quotas,bloodstock awards & chip-pan fires than wider picture. I believe the headline after the sinking of the Titanic was "Llangwm man missing at sea"............Right,how about a slideshow ! (a hint of 50`s holiday camp compere there) working on the basis that [4:-)]TOM is not in a black rage with me for crashing his machine with over-burdened E-Mails,also that they are of usable quality,Can-Am/Cymru Airways ( The Red Dragon Zeppelin route) are proud to present :pt 1-Doodlebugs & such,a response 1-A trio of Col. Stephens lines-top 50 hp Drewry petrol car blt 1928 for Southern Railway,shown here after sale to Weston,Clevedon & Portishead Lt Rly ,centre-former inspection saloon,"Gazelle"with former horse-drawn car,Shropshire & Mongomeryshire light,-bottom-a pair of Ford buses on the Kent & East Sussex 2-Both of the W.C&P petrol cars-the smaller one is Drewry #1252 blt 1921 for the line 3-A selection of County Donegal Railway diesel cars 4-One for TROLLEYROB-The Wantage Tramway 5-another one for ROB-The Dublin & Blessington-mid30`s 6-2 more railcar solutions,G.W.R "flying banana"-also came as a baggage only car and what looks like a Park Royal 2-car set (motor brake 2nd + driving trailer composite) 7-A little variety here-caption should have survived cropping process -----O.K-thats the intermission,the girls will move amongst you with little tit-bits to delight,I`m away to the kitchen to investigate the burning smell & muffled whimpering emanating from within,wish me luck,nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

G'day coalminer3 Nice - really nice! That's quite a compliment and complement to the MoPac Fallen Flag Posted on page 106. Different eras, but nonetheless a trip back in nostalgia ....... [tup]

Just the way the ads were worded surely makes it clear that there was keen competition going on for the passenger's dollars. Fast forward to today with the way the airlines do business, and it's very evident that they could care less - for the competition, so to speak, has been greatly diminished thanx to regulations for things like hubs, paired cities, and fares. I liked it better back then ....

Catch ya later and thanx!

By the by - sure wish you'd particfipate in our CONTEST .......

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[coalminer3]

Good afternoon all: Not used to seeing the sun on the west side of the building, but have been teaching a class all day. Anyway, round for the house as usual and quarters for the jukebox. Think I'll play one of my faorites, "Red Necks, White Sox, and Blue Ribbon Beer." They just don't write 'em like they used to.

My compliments to posting re Fallen Flags. Herewith something from my MP collection - 1932 vintage ad for the MP's Sunshine Special.

The Sunshine Special Still Leads to and From the Southwest, Mexico-California.

Again! The Missouri Pacific Lines Gives the Southwest an Improved Service.

Now Faster - Much Faster

The Sunshine Special retains its supremacy as "Leader of the Fleet" of fast, dependable trains between St.Louis-Memphis and Louisiana, Texas, Mexicom Arizona and Southern California.

A further reduction in the schedule of this internationally famous train, on October 30, brings the North, East, Southeast, and Mississippi Valley in closer communication with the Great Southwetsren Empire.

On your next trip to or from St.Louis-Memphis and the Southwest be sure your ticket reads "Via Sunshine Route."

Missouri Pacific Lines - A Service Institution.

The 1932 consist for the WB Sunshine was a complicated one with lots of switching of cars en route. Take a look at some of the interline sleepers. God help you if you got off the train somewhere to buy a newspaper.

St. Louis – Los Angeles Sleeping Car: 10 sections/2 compartments/ drawing room to SP Train 1 @ El Paso
St. Louis – El Paso Sleeping Car: 12 sections/ drawing room/ compartment
St. Louis –San Antonio and Mission Sleeping Car: 12 sections/ drawing room/ compartment; SAU&G Train 215 San Antonio – Odem; then to GC&L Train 15-13
St. Louis – New Orleans Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room; from Little Rock in Train 101
St. Louis – Shreveport Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room via L&A from Hope
St. Louis – Mexico City Sleeping Car: 10 sections/2 compartments/drawing room
St. Louis – Houston and Galveston Sleeping Car: 10 sections/2 compartments/ drawing room
Little Rock – Shreveport Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room/compartment
via L&A from Hope
San Antonio – Laredo Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room
Houston – Corpus Christi Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room
San Antonio – Corpus Christi Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room via SP, November – December; via MP, January – March
San Antonio – Brownsville Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room
San Antonio – Mexico City Sleeping Car: 10 sections/observation
Houston – Brownsville Sleeping Car: 10 sections/observation
De Luxe Parlor Observation (Shower, valet, fountain, lounge, radio): Sr. Louis – El Paso – Los Angeles
Café Lounge Observation: Longview Jct. – San Antonio
Café Lounge Observation: Palestine – Houston
Dining Car
Dining Car: Hope – Shreveport
Reclining Seat Chair Cars and coaches

See if we can get a few napkins from Boris and diagram the car routes.

Have a good evening.

work safe

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Glad it worked for you, Chris ..... I'm assuming your reference to me has to do with the Fallen Flag Post for WP

Wish my requests were so quickly addressed by the regulars 'round here! [%-)]

Figured if anyone knew, Al would! [tup]

I found a picture of a WP steam loco taken in 1940 at Sacramento. It is the westbound Feather River Express, however, the angle is not very helpful in determining what type of loco nor the number of passenger cars - however, looks like a baggage, an RPO and 3 or 4 undetermined heavweight cars.

See ya!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[CFournier]

Thank you Passengerfan and Tom for quick response to my post.
Chris

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom How about a CR and a round for the house.
Chris asked about the Del Monte consists under steam . The train generally consisted of a Baggage 30' RPO a couple of coaches a diner lounge and a parlor car during the heavyweight period. The SP generally assigned a Pacific or ten Wheeler to the train. Must run for now feel like a kid again having homework at my age.

[siberianmo]

G'day Rob! We're used to seeing you 'round here very late in the evenin' ...... appreciate your stopping by! [tup]

[yeah] The Fallen Flags idea seems to have flicked a few switches 'round here. Wish I could get the pix sent along with 'em. There are three volumes in the series of books called, Classic American Railroads by Mike Schafer. They are well worth it ... some fantastic pix, and even better info. Highly recommended for anyone's railroadin' library.

Email received and responded to! [tup]

Thanx for participating in the CONTEST, your'e in with 815 - no matter what methodology [?] you followed! [swg] We still need two more particpants ....

By the by, I've checked out your railimages site a few times .... nice pix; lots of 'em! Also, can't get access to your photobucket site by clicking on the URL at the bottom of your signature. Might want to check that out .......

One round on Rob, so go ahead Boris ring the bell!

See ya later ......

Tom[4:-)][oX)]