"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon good to see you again. Set up a JD for nick and the boss if he's still lurking about.

Tom Glad we have sorted out a handle for red p You had me confused for a while ( easy to do this time of year [:O] ) I'm quite glad to chip in round here nice to know that I'm part of the furnature,don't think I'm as high maintenance as you think though <sheesh>. BTW was the gremlin named Tom or Boris [:-^][?]


Al Glad you liked 6060. I rode behind it once before she moved out west.She is a beautifull piece of machinery,in 2003 three she was down for a complete boiler and fire box rebuild,new tubes and new firebox liner. I have a vhs tape round her that Heather bought herself me last summer. it chronicals the rebuild and her first run in late 2004 on what was CP's stettler subdivision ( shortline run now ) Full train 10 coaches some heavy weights some ex-commuter all owned by the Praire dog steam group in Alberta. Even a couple of privatley owned cabooses were on the train,easily made 60-70 mph on the trip !

Your best to remeber 6218 as she was. The Fort Erie railway museum's star attraction isn't in too good of shape. The black paint is holding her together unfortunatly,cabs completly stripped really sad actually.[sigh]

Nick Good to see you mate. I do hope we have a cahnce to spend a bit of time at Bayview in May. That shot takes in the RBG( Royal Botanical Gardens ) grounds that the junction runs through. The water is Burlington Bay on Lake Ontario. I don't normally take artsy shots but the light just seemed right that day.


red P This handle works for me as long as you approve.I too have been singed on occation on the various forum sites. I figure you have to take it from where it comes from. Like Tom I have no time for ( or respect for ) rude people,not enough time in the day. I figure that you are right no one can know everything and someone who thinks he does is well not of this world.

Good advice that you gave that young guy. Honesty about what he was getting into was the best policy,I assume you folks got a good conductor out of it so it's liley a win/ win. I just volenteer at the museum and running and maintaining the streetcars and interurbans certainly shows you the gritty as oposed to the glory side of railroading in general.

Russ Long time no see, glad that you were able to break away from school for a bit. Hope to see some Russ shots next week as well. [tup]

Dave Thanks for the round, you are right good ole [alien] boy will never quite get the whole tact and appropriate behaviour thing down. At least H&H and their kin got him to eat with utensils over thanksgiving ( shovel and small camp axe ) [:O][sigh]

Well folks have a good evening.

Rob

[siberianmo]

Evenin',

All's well with the world now that we've had our night cap from Chief Chef Nick [C=:-)] There's not a man-child this side of the Pecos who can string together more of a reason to belly up to the bar than Sir Nick himself! [yeah] Have one on me, ,Mate - and sorry about the kitchen. You know what they say about "when the cat's away ......." [swg]

Okay, what's with the red P ftwNSengineer NSE [?][?] That will require a bit of explaining, methinks ...... Ohhhhhhhhh, wait a minute - I got it! red P as in the red in your Penn Central herald! Duhhhhhhhhh. [swg] Okay - red P it is! [yeah]

Nick you have quite the eye for detail and I'm happy that you apprecaite the S Capades shots. I am hardly accomplished with the digital camera, but wiith some practice, perhaps I'll get to the point where I can figure out things like depth of field, etc. Until then, it's "automatic" settings, wait for the green light to stop blinking, and presto! [swg] I liked that ground level shot too. My favorites were the two from the Can-Am - those right-of-way pix "do it" every time. [tup]

Okay - time for Leon the Night Man and I'm outta here. Been quite the day and I appreciate one and all who made it so busy! [tup] Ring the bell Boris drinks on me!

Nite! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Good heavens to Betsy-you turn your back on the place for a day or two & all hell breaks loose,couldn`t believe the state of the galley this morning-I am certain it didn`t look like that on saturday night.....................Are you sure ?...............No,really ??.....................oh dear....................
Right,well then,moving swiftly on:-
ftwNS-The man who gives it from the horses mouth-[#welcome]-you need a handle that doesn`t get edited out when spelt in full[swg]--how about:-- Driver 8,from the R.E.M song...?
DOUG-loved the nitty-gritty-good stuff mate[^]-weird profile on that Obs. car-presume you realise,AWK is, despite cheap spray job,Norwegian Blue (beautiful plumage................)
[4:-)]TOM,best try another one-and yourself of course,........Aah,good man, [tup][^][tup]
Right,here we go then,
[4:-)]TOM-nice shots of the `S`capades,ground level shots gave a real feeling of depth-
good track design as well,making the passing track common to both lines allows you to use the tunnell line as staging and indulge in basic timetable working--show the grandkids how to run a train without risk....................
About the gorge pix-You not only have the poles,but they are strung as well--have mercy....[bow]
AL ( & others)-sorry about the spam thing,too complicated to explain-I actually quite like the stuff
SIR THEODORE-thank you for kind words,I wish I could claim the credit-I merely pressed the button.......the combination of fussy,elegant and tiny steam engines against a lowering background should always make a good picture..( It say`s here)
BAR CHANDLER ROB-nice job on the pix mate,[tup]-particulaly enjoyed the "Bayview Jn from a distance" shot-all the other pix I`ve seen have been trackside-nice to see the place in it`s wider context[^][tup]---N.B-will check status of remaining `Cats`and report back-forecast not good
WEST COAST DAVE-another[#welcome]home-pull up your stool & make yourself comfortable my friend,have a couple on me....RUSS-I see you there,come on over...Anyone seen WolfmanPete...???????????---or Boris,come to that--Right,looks like the grown ups might have to make a small bail bond in the morning,a small sacrifice,all things considered
sleep now,nick[C=:-)]

[red p]

hey Tom. nother beer. I still think this glass has a hole in it! and put it on my tab!
you know im really not as think as you drunk I am.

red P

[siberianmo]

Evenin’ All,

What was that comment I made earlier today about the “Feast or Famine Bar ‘n Grill” [?] Just look at the number of afternoon Postings – all quality and most welcome indeed! [tup][tup]

To the acknowledgments!

ftwNSenginee NSE Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 16:53:28

You’ve had a busy day here at the bar and it’s appreciated! Now, how about making the cash register “ring”! [swg]

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 16:17:54 and 16:25:13

What’s to say other than you’re a “prize” – one of a kind – we’d be somewhere between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea without ya, Mate! <geesh> This guy needs all kinds of positive reinforcement, eh [?] [swg]

By the by – didja catch that NSE not FTE [?] Gremlins! [swg]

Thanx for the round! Boris Ring it!

West Coast S Dave Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 16:24:42 and 17:05:47

Back again and hopefully the absence won’t be as long as the last one! Nice work on the SP Diesel Power for passenger trains. [tup][tup] That’s the kinda stuff we really miss from you and it’s good to see that you’re “with it” again! [yeah]

The S Capades is only lacking the 4 dozen deciduous trees, a bit more landscaping around the lake, and it’s done! Love operating those trains, good quality stuff indeed. [tup][tup]

Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 16:37:04

Good seein’ ya! By the by, we could use your help with Sunday Photo Posting Day! The well’s runnin’ a bit dry on my end. If anyone can come up with some glorious pix, you surely can! [tup] Thanx in advance! [swg]

nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 18:51:20

Brother Nick has returneth! Welcome to Brother MO’s travelin’ Snake Oil and Repentence Show! [swg] Sorry, I get just a bit carried away when listening to one of my all time favorites groaning out a tune – Neil Diamond is the man and his “Brother Love’s Travelin’ Salvation Show!” One of America’s most talented artists and composers and still touring. Heck, if the Stones can, why not him [?] <grin>

I met Neil Diamond in LA/Hollywood back in the 80s. Was all in conjuction with an assignment I had while working for Prez Reagan – seriously. I’ll save it up for the Rendezvous in Toronto! [swg]

Thanx for the drink! [tup]

passengerfan Al Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 19:22:29

Thanx for the round! [tup] At present, I’m imbibing just a wee bit – JD on the rocks – good ole Tennessee “sippin’ whiskey!” [swg]

Really liked those “Streamliner” Posts on the Congressional and Senator 4.0 job, fer sure, fer sure! [tup][tup][tup]

What [?] You mean I actually waded through all of that [?] Awwwwwwwright!

Note to pwolfe Pete Saw you lurking in the shadows on Sunday - time to come out, Mate! [swg]

Special thanx go to all of you for making Monday a Winnah! [tup][tup]


Later, Gents!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Rob Seeing 6060 brings back many fond memories. It was a sad day when they decided to retire 6218 but then word came we would have the 6060 and that was just fine with me. Rode excursions many times behind the 6060 they even let my daughter in the cab and blow the whistle. She did the same with the 2860 when that beauty from BC visited Toronto. My daughter still lives in Barrie with Husband and grandaughter. The trips on the trains with my daughter bring back many fond memories.

[nickinwestwales]

Well [4:-)]TOM-looks like I`ve a busy hour ahead checking the post-better have a bottle to take over with me plus one for yourself,back in a bit,nick[C=:-)]

[West Coast S]

Back at you Trolleyboy, I see boris still has no sense of proper decorem, yek, what the? ..... who turned on the hose? I do indeed miss daily interaction with all of you, once i'm up to 21st century information capability I will humble these pages on a more frequent basis, besides I haven't harassed Tom in quite some time...Ok the offer of free libations and lunch still stands, enjoy all. Tom get ready...until then, drink up....

Dave

[red p]

QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy


FTE It is,nnice to have a railway guy around for all the hard questions though isn't it [?]

I dont mind answering questions, if I know the answer. Nobody can know everything about a subject as broad as railroading (stay away from those that think they do)
A couple of years ago I was posting on another board railfan.net (I think)
Anyway someone asked a question about GE units,so I answered it in my honest opinion. Well I got a real nasty responce from someone (I geuss it wasnt the answer the was looking for) He called me a fake poster [:(!]
So I stayed away from message boards for quite awhile until I found this one.
While I was on railfan I did meet a young man that wanted to go to work for the railroad. I told him to think long and hard about, that it wasnt all it was cracked up to be. I told him to forget all that glory crap he was reading in the train rags, railroading today is not like that. But he was persistant and wanted my help, so I told where there was a hiring session in his area and what to do.
And he got Hired, Today he is a conductor on the NS working somewhere in N.C.

[Trainnut484]

Good afternoon Tom and everyone. I'll have a nice ML for now. Snow flurries are a-flyin, and the northern wind is not forgiving today.

Doug, I liked the trackwalker series. Lonesome souls on the never ending journey (so it seemed).

Dan, I have some empathy for you. Both sides of a merged railroad have their quirps about the other side. Ironically, my wife's oldest sister worked for the Frisco in the corporate offices downtown Springfield as a computer programmer. After the BN merger in 1980, she was bumped to a yard position. She didn't like it, but hung on until she got her 20 years in for retirement a couple of more years after the merger. Her major concern about BN operations was when new software came along, it was put into the system before the bugs were worked out. That is not the best practice either on a railroad or any other company. During her time with the Frisco, new software was tested and the bugs worked out before it was released. I myself would not like to work for a company that just releases untested software into a network.

Take care,

Russell

[trolleyboy]

Tom Glad I've got a repreve[:D] What would you do without me around here anyway[?]

6060 is a nice engine. It's Heather's favourite BTW. That's a picture her dad took or bought not sure which in 1975 when she was still doing excursion work between Toronto and Niagara Falls in the summer. This shots in the falls,she's just wyed and is running back to the station with the passenger cars..


FTE It is,nice to have a railway guy around for all the hard questions though isn't it [?]


Well look at that Tom's magic he mention's Dave and poof he appears![:D] And he came bearing gifts of passenger train and locomotive information to boot not to mention a round for the house.Right back at you sir a round for your good self as well.[:D]

Boris be good, stop slobbering on Dave.[:p][:X] What can I say the [alien] missed you, and even Tex came out of his catatonic ball to great you as well,alls good in the land of Our Place[tup][^]

Well I'm off for now supper to make,[:D][:p] railroad.[tup][:D] to build same old same old.

Rob

[West Coast S]

Afternoon Tom and the gang.. S capades looks fantastic, you are making progress indeed! Round for the house if you could mate. Welcome to one and all, a special hello to our new patrons and a good to see you to those familar.

Tom, all these topics on passenger operations brings to mind the delima the Southern Pacific faced regarding diesel passenger power. SP excelled during the war, in part due to modern steam designs and the ability of the craftsman employed, neverless, SP was fully commited to dieselization as soon as possible. In 1946 a study was conducted among EMD, ALCO, Fairbanks Morse to provide the means.

SP had considerable experience among EMD for F road units and Alco for switchers, FM was quickly culled from the selection process due their unique service requirements and the involvement of the War Assets Admistration that held production priority to the Opposed Engine design exclusively for US Navy submarine use..

Eeventually, FM power would find a place captive on the commute route and in switchers, but large FM power was far in SP's future.

SP arraigned with EMD for a demostration trial E7 set, these unit was assigned to the Shasta and Donner routes in regular passenger service and were found lacking, the test units did not posses dynamic brakes and were found to be underpowered at high altitudes, the unpowered idler axle in SP's opinion was a complete design flaw . The opinion of the initial E7 trials on the SP is best summed by a converstation with EMD, in which the supervising SP official quiped to his EMD counterpart that the E7 was a great locomotive, the NYC will love them, subsquently no EMD order was forthcoming as a results of these trials.

SP found the answer in the 241 series Alco PA, posessing dynamic brakes, all axles powered and turbocharged with those fantastic high capacity GE traction motors, deliveries began in 1949 with 76 in A and B units eventually being aquired. SP thought well enough to filter them through the Sacramento Shops beginning in 1959 for upgraded power plants and wiring upgrades and further upgrades in 1963 . The PA's were the first units to display the Grey and Scarlet scheme aka "Bloody Nose" which concided with the introduction of the new silver/red passenger scheme, unlike later years, the lettering was silver, not white when freshly shopped . SP maintained the PA's on the Overland Limited and other priorty passenger assignments until 1967. Forthcoming emissions regulations in california and a surplus of aging passenger power for the now reduced passenger traffic, in conjunction with the purchase of ten SDP45's the same year sealed their fate, SP never had anything but praise for the PAs and they earned a reputation of reliability and ease of maintance. It was with great relunctance that SP purged the PA's.

Eventually, EMD got its act together and was able to supply E units more to SP's liking, eventually, improved verison of those first maligned E7's would join the roster along with the E8 sucessor and a lone E9 and all would serve until retirements in the late 60s and early 70s sometimes Mu'ed with the PA's, another SP modification.

The most intersting trials occured with Trainmasters in regular passenger service on the Sunset Route , at 2400hp they excelled and could have been a serious contender if not for the opposed piston design, SP was well on the road to standardization by the time they arrived in 1953 and the thought of mixing power , material and training across the system was more then the shop forces and the railroad could economically tolerate, while concurently, the need to replace steam in commute service was quickly aproaching, reassignment was soon to follow for the entire Trainmaster fleet.

Lunch and drinks on me, enjoy all, Boris do what you do so well.....

Dave

[trolleyboy]

Hmm seems railimages is having difficulties again oh well the picture did show up on the preview so eventually it will materialize from the either. In the meantime boris ring up a round for the track crew and anyone else with their heads poking in the door.

Oh Tom I've left a new money converter for the wurlitzer it will now accept British and Canadian coin since we are attracting more international members lately. Not to worry CM3 it still eats takes US quarters as well. [swg]


Since it's a new week I'll frop a small Steam on the CNR on everyone.

CNR CLASSIC STEAM # 6 THE ROUSTABOUT

The "Roustabout" was a named daily way freight ( except sunday ) that worked from Kitchener to Elmira and return with service to Galt as required. Power was usually a ten wheeler or mogel from the Stratford shops.Or on occation a Kitchener assigned 0-8-0. The engine would lay over in Kitchener and return monthly to the Stratford big shops for inspection ( no service facilities in Kitchener )

The Van ( caboose ) was left overnight at the Kitchener station on track three, and on weekends behind the freight shed. A plow and flanger was also kept in kitchener for winter clearing of the local branchlines. Crews from Stratford maned this train which ran entirly within yard limits.

The Roustabout typical day as explained in Ian Wilson's to Stratford Under Steam

An engine crew climbing into the cab of the ten wheelerprepare for the morning job (6:30am.)They will work the three tracks of the freight shed at Kitchener before the factory men come on duty.They will call on Krug Furniture, BF Goodrich, Dominion Rubber,Electrohome before 9 o'clock.

At 9:30 the second crew services the engine and heads back east bound for a yard shift , lifting cuts of cars for westbound freight 400 and eastbound 401 both due in by 10:00.As the day progresses they work the Lancasteer street industries again and finish up the day with the lifts lined up for the manifest freights.

Second crew then reswitches the big industries and will head down ( as required to Elmira and St Jacobs and switch the elevators and industreis there. Coal and flour as well as beer will be lifted from breweries and furniture plants along the industrial spurs. Poles for the grand river railway in Galt ( CP electric line ) At galt they cross the diamond with the grand river railwaay and switch Perkins Glue, RCA Victor,Canadain Blower and Forge,Lang Tanning Co, and Schnieder's Meat Packing. This is all on light ex streetcar rail with a perminent 10mph slow order 85lbs rail laid in cinders )

It was a heavy industrial area switched two and three times a day. Still is for the most part by both CN and CPR on their old GRR line.


Rob

[siberianmo]

G'day (again)!

Rob I've "dubbed" our Engineer, NSE (check the SUMMARIES, until he decides on a "handle." As the kids say, whatevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvver! [swg]

You are correct, Sir - I much prefer regularly scheduled trains any day and time over those excursions and tourist traps. So many trains, so little time! [swg] (Used to say that about gals, but ........... [}:)][:-,])

Beautfiul shot of 6060. Really nice looking machine indeed and a mighty powerful beast at that.

If it wasn't for the fact that you don't know day from night, light from dark, not to mention what day of the week it is - I'd have you "keel hauled" for pix Posting on any day other than Sunday! Given your circumstances, however, "dispensation" has been approved and awarded - you are a "lucky" guy, trolleyboy Rob! [swg]

I don't think I could handle minus 40 (F) on a steady basis, but I sure could learn to love those kinds of winters. I've been in those temps in all kinds of conditions. Try it at sea with the ocean spray freezing immediately upon impact on the ship. That's when "all hands" get out on deck to break the ice away, otherwise - stability lost, down she goes. Did that more than once in the North Atlantic off Greenland and also Labrador, and again in the Bering Sea. Given a chocie between "roasting" and "freezing," mine is the latter choice. [swg]

FTE Thanx for the "letter" Post - hope the guys pick up on it. It's a "keeper" fer sure, fer sure! [tup]

Thought we'd see the return of coalminer3 CM3 today. Sure is "different" these days (daze) without the "mainstays" - CM3 in the morning, and West Coast S Dave for the afternoons. That was a good "balance," kept me from having to monitor this stuff all day. Oh well ......

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Afternoon Tom I think I can handle a Canadian now please. You need to train the dog or Boris to type for you then you'd have more mrring time [:-^][:D] BTW the latest pullman bit was quite good [tup]

FW Is our local engineer, he seemed to understand who I was raving at [:O] Once we have a name I'll be better,I always mess up on the handles.

Thank-you BTW for the info on the loco's. In this case it was a wide cab GE leading a conventionally cabed sister. ( apparently CNwon't let them run them in the reverse order the conventionals aren't lead unit certified in Canada for whatever reason ) In this case the trailing unit completely shut down on them half way up,bad enough that the Mechanic was meeting them in London. [xx(] ( scanner in the hobby shop tells all [swg] ) The Dundas sub hill is a fourteen mile climb at two percent not huge but when it's wet, well lets just say the stalling loading westbound ( uphill ) is quite common. CN and Via run mostly GM power through there for that reason I'm sure.Interesting letter BTW, I've always liked those kinds of memoribilla, neat stuff.


Okay even though it's Monday this is the photo that should have happened yesterday.



As I said yesterday this is bullet nosed betty 6060 a CNR mountain type ( oil burner converted from coal in 1945 ) She still runs today in excursion service just a tad north of Calgary.

Tom You don't want a canadian praire winter -40C is T-shirt weather there.[swg][:O] can get much colder. You do need to ride the ACR in the sault eventually ( I will get you there at some point ) The tour of the line train which is a regular run may be more your style.


Rob

[red p]

Ok Tom Im back, and I brought the letter with me just be careful with it, its almost 40 years old.

I bought some timetables off EBAY awhile back ago. And when the package arrived this letter was enclosed as well.

[img.nr] http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c218/ftwnsengineer/letter.jpg [/img.nr]

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Not much happen' on this Monday - at least thus far! Never know at the "Feast or Famine Bar 'n Grill!" [swg]


ftwNSengineer NSE Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 08:43:22

Somehwere in my "memory banks" I seem to recall seeing those cars on a trip in Canada. Only reason I have such a thought is that they were marked with a CN/CP logo - I never saw anything like that before. Oh well ......

Recommend you Post that "letter" over here .. you'll get much more of a response.

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 13:23:11

If I didn't spend so much "blankety blank" time at the keyboard, I'd have much more done with my model railroading! [swg] Just typed up a half dozen more NOSTALGIA pieces for future Posting. Gotta stay ahead of it ... otherwise, kerplunk - over the side. [:O]

Nice looking coaches - would love to experience some travel aboard those! [tup] Alberta is a wonderful Province and it would take me no more than a "heartbeat" to go and never return! [yeah] BUT - it would have to be north - I want mountains, snow and cold winters. [swg]

Hopefully you will soon return to the "land of the living." Aint' the same 'round here without you!

Start thinking about next Sunday's pix .... I'm fresh out. If we don't do it, it ain't gonna happen (spreads that is).

By the by, WHO is "FW" [?] Somebody sneak in the back door [?] [swg] Perhaps a friend of your Teutonic gals [?] Never know ......... [swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[red p]

QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy
FW thank's for adding in your picture for the day as well. I thought of you the other day, saturday I guess it was. I was down at the Brantford via station ( going to the small hobby shop there ) and train 327 ( CN number for it ) came limping into the station. This is one of the two NS autoparts trains that cut accross southern Ontario. Seems as though both of it's technitoaster dash 9's crapped out on the Dundas sub hill, couldn't make it above 20mph. Seems that alot of GE engines die on the hill. Via has haaad fits with the genesis passssenger units ( term loosly used ) on this hill as well. the EMD's don't seem to mind the hill oh well.

The thing to remember about GE units is that they are slow loading compared to EMDs.
EMDs are built for fast acceleration.
GEs are built for tonnage.
Sounds like the GEs Stalling out before they get their load up. At which case they need a good running start at the hill. We use the GEs on most of our heavy coal trains and we dont have a problem.
We have figured out that the best locomotive combination is to have a 6600 (an EMD SD im not sure which one right off hand) in the lead and the GE wide body in the trail. The GEs seem to do better with the 6600 telling it what to do. (and I have no idea why)

[trolleyboy]

Good afternoon Tom et al I'll have a coffee and a selection of the sandwich board.Having trouble keeping the peepers peeping as it were. These weeks of halg midnights half day(z)e are killing me.[xx(]

Tom The passenger cars are actually Algoma Central. From my trip on the agawa canyon trip in 2003. Ment to post the photo of CNR 6060 a mountain type locomotive still running in excursion service in Alberta. Seems when railimages upgraded some of the letter codes for the pictures changed. anyway if and when i get the proper ID tag for the photo I'll repost it. She's the last of the Bullet nosed Betty's also the last mountains indeed steam loco's built for the CNR. They came out of MLW in 1944/45

tom The s-capades is comming along rather nicely I would say.[tup]

Nick Also very nice pictures. I particularly like the Via yard shot. Nice difference in profile between the FPA4's on the one train and the FP7/9's on the Candian .
Also the welsh steam ain't to bad either [:-^][swg]

Ted The old ONR paint job is a keeper ! Too bad they changed it over to the snoring boring [zzz] blue and yellow of today. They still have two of those f units in reserve for their passenger trains albeit repowered with caterpiller 12 cylander engines. They just don't sound the same. They are almost zombie like,they move and look like f-units but they lake the old EMD soul [xx(]

FW thank's for adding in your picture for the day as well. I thought of you the other day, saturday I guess it was. I was down at the Brantford via station ( going to the small hobby shop there ) and train 327 ( CN number for it ) came limping into the station. This is one of the two NS autoparts trains that cut accross southern Ontario. Seems as though both of it's technitoaster dash 9's crapped out on the Dundas sub hill, couldn't make it above 20mph. Seems that alot of GE engines die on the hill. Via has haaad fits with the genesis passssenger units ( term loosly used ) on this hill as well. the EMD's don't seem to mind the hill oh well.


Al Another couple of fine streamliner posts as well. I'm with Tom anything pulled by GG1's is alright in my books [swg]


Till later all

Rob

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #32

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check out this advertisement regarding the Pullman Company from 1950:

. . . . . . . . . . The carefree way to travel today! . . . . . . . . . .
Whether you travel for business or pleasure . . . alone or with others . . . you’re taking more than a trip when you go by Pullman. You’re enjoying a relaxing change of pace that releases you from the cares and routine of the day. For Pullman is as comfortable and accommodating as the finest hotel. No other form of travel offers so many important extras – the immaculate, king-size beds . . . the privacy . . . the freshly cooked meals . . . the refreshments and pleasant conversation in the friendly club car. Whenever . . . wherever you go . . . travel by Pullman. You’ll be as safe as you are in your own home!

Your local Ticket Agent will help:
1. Provide information on routes and fares. 2. Plan your stopovers. 3. Furnish your railroad Pullman tickets. 4. Reserve a “rent-a-car” at your destination.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pullman . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . means comfort, safety, privacy and sleep . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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[siberianmo]

A NOTE for all who Post here!

Some of this may be repetitious, however, we have some new guys who may appreciate this info:

When you log in to this Forum (Classic Trains) and see the listings for the topics, you are NOT getting the most CURRENT Posts if you simply click on what you see.

Click on "Active Topics." Use the “Active Topics Since” option (near the top, at the middle) and click on “last 12 hours –or- last 6 hours” etc., and you will then get “refreshed” info.

Another way to ensure that you are reading the MOST CURRENT info, is once you have called up the last page shown for “Our” Place and BEFORE you decide to respond, use the “REFRESH” or “RELOAD” option (usually located at the top bar of your screen). This will call up the MOST CURRENT info.

I cannot explain why the Forums operate this way, but they do. Since I am here more time than most, I see it happen several times a day where someone Posts, but does not respond to information that has been “out there” for an hour or more. Reason [?] Who knows! But one way to circumvent it is to use either of my “procedures” explained above.

For the guys who seemingly have repetitious problems with losing information before it gets Posted – use a word processor program to prepare your material. Cut ‘n paste it to the “message block” on the Thread. Should it get “lost” you always can retrieve it from your WP program. Simple enough, eh [?]

Finally, try to stick around for a couple of minutes AFTER you have Posted – then use the “REFRESH” or “RELOAD” option, just to see if someone has Posted during the time you were preparing yours.


None of this is difficult but will surely keep you “on target” if you are interested in such things. [tup]


Later!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[red p]

Morning bar keep, coffee fre***his morning?
well about that Brown TT flat. I really didnt get a close look at it the only thing I remember is that it had the traditional "trailertrain" spelled out on the side of it.

[siberianmo]

Mornin’ Guyz!

Given that I don’t “do” long, inclusive Posts on Sunday, I’ll try to catch up on anything missed in my brief acknowledgment.

A word: You may note that I do NOT acknowledge Posts from anyone who fails to participate in the banter at the bar – no greeting to the barkeep, no ordering of a drink and/or food - no “service” so to speak! My call as Proprietor. Those hit ‘n run folks are not welcome here. Can’t prevent them from Posting, but we sure don’t have to encourage them!

ftwNSengineer NSE Posted: 26 Nov 2005, 23:13:17

Given what you do for a living, my bet is that you see all kinds of things the rest of us either have forgotten about or don’t know of. Do you recall the markings on those brown Trailer Train flats you referred to [?]

barndad Doug Posted: 27 Nov 2005, 06:44:59 and 07:33:39

Yesterday was a good day to catch up on my reading – those Walking the Track Posts are an interesting and worthwhile read. Highly recommended reading. I had no clue, once again, of this aspect of railroading. Given the world we live in today, wonder what extraordinary measures are taken to ensure no one is tampering with the tracks [?] I also wonder how many dedicated and motivated people the RR’s could find to do the type of things that the Track Walkers did [?] Good stuff. [tup][tup]

Your Email has been received and I appreciate your understand. Repy en route … [tup]

passengerfan Al Posted: 27 Nov 2005, 09:49:57 and 28 Nov 2005, 06:44:30

Anything powered by a GG-1 is a favorite of mine! I had the pleasure of traveling aboard the Congressional and believe I’ve told the story on these pages before. Great train – wonderful equipment. Good show. [tup][tup]

Also I think I have been aboard the “Senator,” enroute WashDC from Boston. I boarded in New London, CT back in the mid-50s. Another well done and appreciated “Streamliner” Post! [tup][tup]

I concur about the 1/64 scale for S trains. They really are just the right size as far as I’m concerned. No regrets regarding my purchases and although everything you see on that “ceiling suspended layout” is all it will ever be (no room for expansion) I see many years of pleasure just running those consists round ‘n round ……. The sound systems within the EMD E8 and F7A are absolutely “on the mark” and really add to the pleasure of it all.

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 06:39:58

Ditto on the commentary (above) for the S-gauge trains. [yeah] Those “smoothsides” in that IC livery, powered by the EMD E8A are the “cat’s meow!”

I share your thoughts regarding Sir Nick’s board game. We need some clarification, Mate! [swg]


Okay, between this Acknowledgment and the one from yesterday, I think I’ve covered everyone.


Later, Gents!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Too early I guess the SENATORS is actually Streamliner corner #16 not 15.

Sorry.

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for Coffee and a diet pastry from the Mentor Bakery.

Sure enjoyed yesterdays photo posts especially partial to the IC S Gauge Streamliner on your layout. Don't know what it is about S-Gauge but somehow it just seems to be the right size for detail and always seems to look the most realistic of all of the gauges next to 1' to 1'.

Nick thanks for the captions on the pictures.

Rob Enjoyed your pics as well. Keep them coming.

Dave Just so happens todays Streamliners in PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER covers the SENATORS.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #15

SENATORS PRR -NYNH&H trains 176-177 Inaugurated as streamliners March 17, 1952 between Boston and Washington D.C. via New York 446.5 miles each direction scheduled for 8 hours 15 minutes.

The PRR introduced new streamlined SENATORS to the Washington - Bostron runs beginning March 17, 1952. Unlike the COLONIAL and FEDERAL that were owned jointly by the PRR and NYNH&H the fourteen car SENATORS were PRR owned only.

Each operating road provided the motive power over its own lines.
Each of the new SENATOR CONSISTS were assigned eight 60-revenue seat coaches for a toatal coach capacity of 480 and four parlor cars were assigned with a capacity of 116 passengers. One train set operated in each direction daily

The following is the streamlined SENATOR consists as they departed and arrive Washington on March 17, 1952.

CONSIST ONE

4830 GG-1 ELectric Passenger Locomotive

1584 60-Revenue Seat Coach

1585 60-Revenue Seat Coach

1586 60-Revenue Seat Coach

1587 60-Revenue Seat Coach

1588 60-Revenue Seat Coach

1155 18-Seat Lunch Counter Bar 21-Seat Tavern Lounge Car

1589 60-Revenue Seat Coach

1590 60-Revenue Seat Coach

1591 60-Revenue Seat Coach

4525 48-Seat Dining Car

7138 BARON DeKALB 29-Revenue Seat Parlor Car with 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Drawing Room

7139 HENRY HUDSON 29-Revenue Seat Parlor Car with 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Drawing Room

7140 MILES STANDISH 29-Revenue Seat Parlor Car with 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Drawing Room

7126 BENJAMIN FRANKLIN 14-Revenue Seat Parlor Telephone Room Buffet 25-Seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST TWO

4836 GG-1 Electric Passenger Locomotive

1592 60-Revenue Seat Coach

1593 60-Revenue Seat Coach

1594 60-Revenue Seat Coach

1595 60-Revenue Seat Coach

1596 60-Revenue Seat Coach

1156 18-Seat Lunch Counter Bar 21-Seat Tavern Lounge Car

1597 60-Revenue Seat Coach

1598 60-Revenue Seat Coach

1599 60-Revenue Seat Coach

4526 48-Seat Dining Car

7141 PAUL REVERE 29-Revenue Seat Parlor Car with 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Drawing Room

7142 ROGER WILLIAMS 29-Revenue Seat Parlor Car with 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Drawing Room

7144 NATHAN HALE 29-Revenue Seat Parlor Car with 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Drawing Room

7127 MARTHA WASHINGTON 14-Revenue Seat Parlor Telephone Room Buffet 25-Seat Lounge Observation

TTFN AL

[Anonymous]

Good Monday mornin' members and to all you working folks: "A journey of 1,000 miles begins with the frist step."[:D] Tom, yesterday turned into a nice Photo Day with great diversity of intrests.[tup] I think a cruller and a cuppa Joe for now.[^] Ya just gotta love the Illinois Central livery on those smooth sides and E-9A diesel, especially in S gauge. It doesn't get any better.[tup]

Doug, the flat end observation pic dissapearing into the dust is famliar to me. I've seen it many times but can't recall what Road name goes with it. For sure, the "Track Walker" had a thankless, tedious job with awesome responsiblities. Back in the 1950s, I recall a tragic event where, at the last possible second, a track crewman threw a switch and the Super Chief careened into a passing siding holding a freight consist. It was a terrible conflagration with many fatalities. Another occured on the U.P. when a crazed disgruntled employee sabotaged the mainline and the City of Los Angeles (if memory serves) plunged into a dry arroyo causing many casualties. There were many more, too numerous to mention here.

Rob, excellent pix of C.N., C.P. and O.S. R. rolling stock, locomotives and, especially, that "Velocipede"* (track car).[tup] Nick's shot of the Ontario Northland diesel is a "keeper" for sure. What a neat livery, eh? Al, the data on the Congressionals and Senators brought back some great memories, thanks.[^] Earlydiesels Dan, sure glad you are back "among the living."[swg] Your additional input on the "Great Locomotive Chase" was helpful and informative.[tup] Anything more on R.R. during the U.S. Civil War might be of intrest from time to time. There does seem to be curiosity from a few members.

Still trying to "put together" your "whos on first" board game for those "shut in" days this Winter Nick. Don't think I understand all I know about it.[:O] Maybe I'd best stay with Chinese Checkers.[(-D] BTW, your last menus have been archived in the Wine Cellar files for posterity.[tup]

Yes I know, I still haven't caught up with everything to date but I'm working on it.[banghead] Okay Boris, what is the next thing your duties require? He went to the Men's Room.[:(!] "What we gonna do" with that [alien]? See ya's later.

* Velocipede taken from Doug's last "Track Walker" series.

[daveklepper]

The Senator's Budd equipment practically duplicated that of the Congrsssionals. Incidentally the Congressional equipment made two round trips each day. There was the Morning Congressional and the Afternoon Congressional, with identacle equipment, except that often the morning trains ran with a shortened consist. The Senator to Boston usually ran with older head-end equipment that somewhat spoiled the esthetics, but otherwise the trains were similarly very beautiful, including the blunt end observation cars. For years the equipment was dedicated and was not mixed with New Haven or other older PRR equipment. Much of this Budd equipment was widely dispersed during Penn Central days and some even wound up on Chicago Detroit service. Amtrak took all or most of the equipment, and rebuilt most into "Clocker " coaches with non-reclining seats and high capacity. In mosse cases, the glass partition separating the end smoker section with its parlor like aisle-facing seats was removed, but not in all cases. I think the seats were still reversable but normal practice was to have half facing each way, toward the near end, and that meant that half the people were riding backwards with a full load. The last time I rode one was on a Harrisburgh - Phila train about 1995. Who has them now?

[siberianmo]

This feature, called the INDEX, is now separate from the daily SUMMARY and will continue to be “Mondays only.”


A helplful hint:

Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).


Fallen Flags (passenger ops)

106/150 SP ……… 106/150 MP …….. 108/155/170 WP …. 109 Frisco
112 CNR ………… 112 Heralds ……… 114 ACL .………….. 115 SAL
116 D&RGW ……. 118 RI …………… 119 D&H ..…………. 120/144 PRR
122/144 NYC …… 124 UP …………… 125 AT&SF .………. 127 B&O
128 CM&StP ……. 129 CB&Q ………. 130 Soo Line ……… 133 C&NW
134 SP&S ……….. 136 GN ………….. 139 B&M ………….. 140 NH
141 MEC .……….. 142 BAR ………… 145 NP .……………. 146 L&N
147 WRR .……….. 148 C&O ……….. 148 KCS .………….. 151 N&W
152 Erie …………. 152 IC ..………….. 154 NPR .….………. 155 SR
156 CGW ……….. 157 RDG ………… 158 MON ....………. 159 IT
162 LV ………….. 163 GM&O ..…….. 164 Extra


Passenger Train Nostalgia

110 ……… MKT Combined Fallen Flag and Ads
112 ……… CNR Ad - Super Continental Time Table
113/144 …. Passenger Train Nostalgia #1 ”Start ups” 1800s & early 1900s
117/144 …. Passenger Train Nostalgia #2 Ad - Vista-Dome sleeper obs-lounge
121/174 …. Passenger Train Nostalgia #3 Ad - CP Hotels & Lodges
124 ………. A tale of Classic Trains BC Rail RDC trip
127 ………. B&O Ad - Strata-Dome
127 ………. B&O Ad – Diesel Electric Trains
129/174 …. Passenger Train Nostalgia #4 Ad - CN Hotels, Ltd.
130 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #1 Poster - East Coast Route
133 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #5 Poster - CP 1886
133 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #6 Poster - CP 1950s
134 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #7 Poster - Washington & Old Dominion Railway
134 ………. Personal RR journey CPR’s “The Canadian”
135 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #2 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #3 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #8 Ad – Great Northern
139 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #9 Ads – Great Northern
140 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #10 Ad – Union Pacific
141 ………. Nostalgia 1956 Hotel Ads
142 ………. Nostalgia Fairbanks-Morse motive power Ad
143 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #11 Ad - PRR – The Jeffersonian
145 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #12 Ad – NP
146 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #13 Ad – L&N
146 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #4 Poster - Silver Jubilee
147 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #14 Ad – Budd & Wabash
148 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #15 Ad – C&O
149 ………. HERTZ Ad - 1956
151 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #16 Ad – Budd RDC (1950)
153 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #17 Ad – Budd RDC (1950)
153 ………. North American Steam Loco Wheel Arrangements
154 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #18 Ad – Budd RDC (1953)
155 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #19 Ad – Budd RDC (1954)
156 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #20 Ad – SP, Golden State (1951)
157 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #21 Ad – SP, Sunset limited (1951
158 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #22 Ad – SP, City of San Francisco (1951)
159 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #23 Ad – AT&SF (1950)
161 ………. Nostalgia - 9 WWII Ads ENCORE! of Veterans/Remembrance Day Commemoration
162 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #24 Ad – AT&SF (1951)
163 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #25 Ad – AT&SF (1952)
164 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #26 Ad – Olympian Hiawatha
166 ………. AVIS Ad – 1956
167 ………. Pocket List of RR Officials Ad – 1956
169 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #27 Ad – NYC Aerotrain (1956)
170 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #28 Ad – NYC Xplorer (1956)
171 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #29 Ad – CP (1950)
172 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #30 Ad – CP (1950)
173 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #31 Ad – Pullman (1950)


trolleyboy ROB’s Barn

Classic Juice

116/161 …. Classic Juice #1 (The London & Port Stanley L&PS)
123 ………. Classic Juice #2 (The Niagara St. Chatharines Toronto Railway NS&T)
131/155 …. Classic Juice #3 (The Montreal & Southern Counties Railway –MS&C)
134 ………. Classic Juice #4 (The Brantford and Hamilton B&H)
142 ………. Classic Juice #5 (The Berlin & Water Street Railway - B&WSR)
146 ………. Classic Juice #6 (The Nearside Car)
148 ………. Classic Juice #7 (The Peter Witt Story)
157 ………. Classic Juice #8 (The PCC)
140 ………. Classic Juice #9 (The Nipissing Central)
162 ………. Classic Juice #10 (The Safety Car)
163 ………. Classic Juice #11 (Electricity and the big roads in Canada Part 1 CNR)

Classic CNR Steam

159 ….. Classic CNR Steam #1 (The Huntsville Subdivision)
163 ….. Classic CNR Steam #2 (The Alliston Subdivision Trains)
165 ….. Classic CNR Steam #3 (Passenger & Freight trains on the Strathroy Subdivision)
170 ….. Classic CNR Steam #4 (Passenger & Mixed trains to Niagara Falls)
........... Classic CNR Steam #5 (Passenger trains on the Brampton & Thorndale Subdivisions)


passengerfan Al’s Streamliner Corner

166 ….. Rocky Mountain Rocket of the CRI&P (Rock Island)
166 ….. Arizona Limited of the CRI&P and SP.
167 ….. Southern Belles of the KCS.
169 ….. #1 Gulf Coast Rebel
.………. #2 Choctaw Rocket
.………. #3 Miss Lou
.………. #4 Illini
170 ….. #5 City of Las Vegas
.………. #6 Land O’Corn
.………. #7 Prospectors
171 ….. #8 Twin Star Rocket
.………. #9 Dixie Flagler
172 … #10 City of Miami
……… #11 South Wind
173 …. #12 Electroliners
……… #13 Streamliners
174 …. #14 Southerners
175 …. #15 Congressional

barndad Doug’s Roundhouse

168 ….. The Making of a Signalman, Part I
……….. The Making of a Signalman, Part II
……….. The Making of a Signalman, Part III
171 ….. Through Thick & Thin, Part I
……….. Through Thick & Thin, Part II
……….. Through Thick & Thin, Part III
172 ….. Through Thick & Thin, Part IV
174 ….. Walking the Track, Part I
175 ….. Walking the Track, Part II
175 ….. Walking the Track, Part III


NOTE: Please try to refrain from Posting on Sundays – that’s MY DAY OFF and these Index compilations take time to format! [swg] Plus it detracts from the idea of Sunday Photo Posting Day! Thank you! [tup]


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

MONDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

G’day! Monday has arrived. A glorious long weekend for most, I hope. Let’s begin the new work week right here – freshly brewed “Joe,” <light> breakfasts and of course fresh pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery [yeah]

Having a jealous wife means if you come home with a hair on your coat, you better have the horse to match.

Info for the Day:

(1) Wednesday is “Pike Perspectives Day.”
(2) Thursday is Fish ‘n Chips Nite and maybe something from Nick’s Picks!
(3) Friday is Pizza Nite along with Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
(4) Saturday is [purple]ENCORE! Day
(5) Sunday is Sunday Photo Posting Day! and yes, we are CLOSED!

SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) barndad Doug Posted: 27 Nov 2005, 06:44:59 (175) Walking the Track, Part II; 2 Pix

(2) ftwNSengineer NSE Posted: 27 Nov 2005, 07:27:12 (175) 1 Pix!

(3) barndad Doug Posted: 27 Nov 2005, 07:33:39 (175) Walking the Track, Part III; 1 Pix

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Nov 2005, 08:23:26 (175) Sunday’s Info & Summary

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Nov 2005, 08:25:28 (175) S Capades Pix!

(6) passengerfan Al Posted: 27 Nov 2005, 09:49:57 (175) Inclusive Post –and- Streamliner #15 – Congressional

(7) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 27 Nov 2005, 11:12:37 (175) [tup]

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Nov 2005, 12:20:01 (175) Nick’s Pix!

(9) passengerfan Al Posted: 27 Nov 2005, 14:27:25 (175) [tup]

(10) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 27 Nov 2005, 15:34:30 (175) [tup]

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 27 Nov 2005, 16:06:15 (175) Inclusive Post!

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 27 Nov 2005, 16:41:56 (175) Pix!

(13) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 27 Nov 2005, 19:03:21 (175) Pix labels

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Nov 2005, 19:26:35 (175) Acknowledgments!

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Evenin’ Gents!

As you are aware, this day has been set aside for things other than the Ether. We are still CLOSED but thought I’d get a leg up on the acknowledgments:

Looks like another Sunday Photo Posting Day! has come to a near end ….

Nick I really, really enjoyed the ONR and VIA Rail shots, and of course the trains in the yard. Nice! Thanx for the pix descriptions! [tup][tup]

Rob I think you are spending far too much time at work … we are CLOSED on SUNDAYS! – there’s no one at the bar today! [swg]

Thanx Al for your understanding in replying to my Email [tup]

Appreciate the pix from ftwNSengineer and barndad Doug! [tup]

Thanx for the “support,” Ted and Al means a lot. [tup]

Rob nice photo spread – particularly liked the one with the passenger cars in Alberta. Do you know what the markings are on those coaches and where and when was the pix taken [?] Appreciate the participation … was beginning to wonder if I was going to be the “Lone Ranger” once again insofar as the “spreads” are concerned.

Okay, Gents – we open up at 6 AM (all time zones!), see ya then! [swg]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]