"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[trolleyboy]

Hmm saw Tom poking about but he's up and disappeared again.[:(]

Oh well I'll go ahead with this next post anyway.

Classic Juice # 12 The Toronto Civic Railways

The Toronto civic was a collection of streetcar lines that the city built to provide transit in areas that the privatly owned Toronto Railway Company, Toronto Suburban Railway, and the Toronto and York Radial railway would not or could not cover. The Civic lines wer all separate and did not attach to each other so each division had it's own car house snowsweepers and maintenace facilities. The years of operation were 1912-1921.

The primary lines were located as follows Landsdowne to St clair. The St Clair line which did connect eventually with the Landsdowne line, Danforth,Bloor west,and The Gerard line. The Gerard line eventually conected into the Danforth line.The lines brokje down as follows. The St Clair line ran along St Clair Avenue from Yonge street to the Northewrn division of the Grand Trunk Railway 3.10 miles. The Gerard line and Coxwell Avenue line ran from Greenwood avenue to Main street,then north on Main to Danforth ave 2.14 miles . The Danforth line ran from Greenwood Ave to the east city limits 2.10. These were all operational by 1916.

Two additiinal lines were started in 1915 finished by 1917. A line along Bloor Street West was built from Dundas street,where a conection was made with the Toronto railway company line on their Dundas to Quebec street route 0.745 mile. The final line was built on Landsdowne from St Clair to the CPR tracks at Royce avenue a line of 0.615 miles. this completed the Civic's lines several other lines were proposed but stopped in 1920 as the merger of all the Toronto street railway comapnies to form the now TTC was under way at that point.


Four proposed but never built civic lines were as follows. Bathhurst street, from the St Clair line to Davenport road then along Davenport to Dupont street this would have been a 1.14 mile run. The Rosedale loop from South Drive to South Drive , via Glen Road,Summerhill Ave,Macclennon Ave,schofield ave then back onto Glen to complete the loop. This would have been a 1.45 mile circle. A further line was proposed to run east from St Clair and Yonge and run north onto Mount Pleasant road no further specs wer given on that as it never made it off the paper stage.

All of their cars were paye cars as built but were later converted to pay as you pass. All the cars were of wood construction from various manufacturers save for the final car orders for single truck Birney's ( only ones built for Toronto ). All of the civics cars were double ended as well as no loops were ever provided for turning the cars, all the lines operated out and back only the Bloor line was double tracked. I'll follow later today with a complete list of cars and manufacturers etc.


Rob

[siberianmo]

G’day!

Failed to mention that petrol up at “Collusion Corner” jumped to $2.00 (rounded) from $1.87 (rounded) yesterday. No rhyme or reason, other than someone must have sneezed at OPEC. <frown> My guess, based on absolutely nothing scientific, is that we’ll all soon see it rise and keep rising until “big oil” settles in on what they feel is necessary to keep the stockholders happy.
[soapbox] [banghead] Boris Ring the bell – drinks on me! <frown>

COMMENTARY

This thread is an inclusivie one whereby we acknowledge the other guy and his efforts. I’m noticing that some of you aren’t “into” this type of thing. A reminder is that “turn about is fair play.”

To the acknowledgments:

coalminer3 CM3
Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 08:09:41

An Email has been sent your way …..

Yes, I have given some thought to soliciting some Christmastime rail travel inputs for the bar. Thought it best to wait a couple of weeks, in that past experience shows that too much notice equates to either forgetting or simply “blowing off” the idea. It will get mentioned – good idea, thanx! [tup]

For all: Acronym decipher: IIRC means “If I recall/remember correctly,” for those of you who may not have picked up on this. We are “into” all kinds of shortcuts these days (daze) now that Email and cyber communications have virtually destroyed English grammar! [swg]

Thanx for the concern, but Awk is safe ‘n sound upon his gold perch – formerly the gold clapper up in my private quarters. He had quite a Thanskgiving Day as more than one tried to “run ‘em through” for roasting on a spit … [tdn]. Had you been here, you would have heard is most appropriate “sailor retorts” to one and all. Kinda makes one want to go back to sea; arghhhhhhhhhh, Matey! [swg]

Have to say that I was never really a fan of those Bathtub locos and mainly recall them from old Lionel train sets. Don’t think I ever saw one in operation – in fact I’d say not at all. I’m a diesel kinda guy, with the only exception being the GG-1 electrics. Now, I have much appreciation for those huge steam engines of the past – really do. I just got ‘hooked’ early on with the ‘pretty’ as opposed to the functional. [swg]

ftwNSengineer P
Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 08:17:28 and 09:20:25

You may the the ONLY one Posting for Sunday Photo Posting Day! Responses have been rather dismal this week.

You’ll love this – I haven’t “invoked” Rule #3 – “Your closing graphic/photo is larger than your Post!” That’s a violation too. [swg] But, you are “still” in a period of grace – so to speak.

By the by, where is Grace, haven’t seen or heard from her since she left for the Penthouse Suite with one of our staff members. Hmmmmmmmm.

Theodorebear Ted
Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 09:13:33

Don’t know how serious you are about finding some good looking but inexpensive U.S. transit buses for your layout. American Precision Models made some 1950s buses (GM, I think) and the stock numbers are 148-39002 (red) and 148-390003 (green). They most probably are now relegated to the “eBay world” or most certainly at model RR shows. I have two of ‘em, and as previously mentioned, they will be removed from the pike for placement into my “retired” display case. Nicely done and for someone such as you, tailor made for custom work.

Also, the R17 subway cars by LifeLike with the sliver roofs are still available at ModelTrainStuff – but not for long. They are limited runs and will soon find their way to the eBay crowd, if available at all. Here’s the URL - http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/


For all: If you have asked questions and have not gotten responses, why not ask ‘em again [?] With the enormous amount of information being Posted on this thread, it is more and more understandable how something can fall through the crack. Happens – so ask again is my recommendation.

Speaking of which – there was a real “neat” letter Posted the other day by P and I had hoped someone other than I would have responded to it. C’mon guys – it’s not that difficult! [tup]
Go to page 176 and you’ll find it …..

BudKarr BK
Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 09:27:52

Your Email came through just fine and has been responded to.

We plan to visit Edmonton and Calgary, but want to do so when the NHL Blues are on a road trip. So, that could take years to put together, given the schedules, etc. It would have to fall within a period of time when my bride is off. Did that for Vancouver and also Toronto and it was a blast. Don’t do it much these days (daze) as the glitter is long gone from the pro-sports scene for us. Still enjoy hockey though, in spite of the record poor showing for our team. Cyclical is the word that comes to mind …..

Back in the mid-80s I had occasion to fly with the San Bernadino PD up into the high desert country in one of their helo’s. It was a very windy day and man oh man was that ever a “pucker factor 10” flight. So, I know what you mean when you talk of updrafts and downdrafts in the mountains. We experienced quite a few going through the El Cajon Pass. I happened to be using the radio at the time when I thought my “grommet” was going to come out of my throat – long pause – and they guy on the other end burst out laughing as if he KNEW what was going on. [swg] Ah, memories.

I expect one more “definite” to be added to our Rendezvous list, with an “almost” about to happen. We could wind up with 6 of us, which would be great. Should you make it, well there’s “lucky 7.” I’ll keep you apprised by Email as things develop further.

While I appreciate your constant encouragement, I really haven’t given a thought to those who have dropped along the way. I know that my efforts were continuance in terms of trying to keep ‘em interested and it’s really a matter of choice. We’re doing quite well, as you have observed, and undoubtedly there will be more changes as time progresses. No one, or nothing stays the same. Even, Moi! [swg]

Appreciate your taking the time to ‘check in’ and hope the weekend in Edmonton turns out Grrrrrrrreat! [tup]

trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 11:23:46

Are you serious [?] Walthers is selling those items at $19.98 (US) - hey, if you want a couple, I’ll order ‘em and deliver ‘em to you at the Rendezvous. Ain’t no way that the Busch “Fishbowls” sell for that kinda money down here.

Would love to check out that maritime museum for the HMCS Haida. Today’s sailors have it “made” in comparison to what those guys put up with. Then again, in my day, we had it “made” in comparison with ……. And so forth! [tup]


Okay, gotta get the afternoon NOSTALGIA piece out …..


Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Morning Tom. I'll sample a light breakfast as long as boris doesn't scramble the eggs with his fingers again.

Tom those buses I found were the busch ones so 40 a pop is a bit much. I did however pick up three of Jordens little 1940's vintage Ford transits they came out with this year. I've painted them in the pullman green TH&B creame of the bulk of my street car fleet, so it looks ( when they are together on the layout ) like they belong to the smae parent company. Like Ted i have two paint jobs. Two of my bowser brills and my walthers birney are in a modified insignia red and TH&B creame livery. Less drab so obviously the older paint job when money was good for the streetcar company.


On a totally unrelated thought. [#offtopic] ( sort of ). Your mention of the morse code and looking for your speed key reminds me of my second great love ( okay third after trains and Heather ) Is the Canadian Navy. If you do a web search for the HMCS Haida historical museum ( she's a Tribal class destroyer served in WW2 and the Korean war retired in 1963 ) Today she is moored in Hamilton harbour as a museum ship. anyway their website chronicals her removal from Toronto harbour in 2002 and her towing accross Lake Ontario to St Catharines for a major hull refit ( hull at waterline was less than an inch think upon inspection in drydock ) and her then move to Hamilton ( toronto's loss for sure ) they also go into detail on the various radio room amd teletype machines refits and restoration they have done over the years. Worth any off you with an inkling of maritime history to check out.


Ted sounds like you are making some headway there for your "el" I would say why not Chicago , Milwaukee etc Used what were essentially subway cars on their els so those redbirds that Tom picked up should do well. case in point at the museum we have a chicago "el" car #48. These cars could be mu'd but also operated separatly on light days ( like there were any in Chicago ) Interstingly when you look at the controls in the car, they are essentially an all electric PCC. We brought the car to the museum because at one point the TTC considere an el line for Spadinna and Shepard ( subway's won out, as they ended up being cheaper to build and maintain, of coarse the Sheppard line only openned last year 25 years after it's original plan )


Al Nice twist to the streamliners.I've never liked complete streamling, always thought it looked well a bit off. Guess I'm like Ted, to me you should see all that "busy stuff ". Now partial streamlining to me was okay if it was done well. CPR Royal hudsons and the Jubillee's come to mind. A funny story CNR of coarse streamlined several mountains 6400-6404 and on their GTW 6405-6408. These were fully shroaded including a louvered air scoop in front of the stack. this was to force the exhaust up and away from the locomotive. CNR found that instead it funneled it right into the crews faces instead. oddly enough though these engines built in 1934-35 stayed in their fully streamlined guise until they were retired in 1959. You found them most often in sounthern ontario pulling commuter or mail trains.

BK Thanks for popping in. I have to say that this particular thread is singularly unique, strictly because of it's designer and of coarse it's rabid band of supporters. An oasis in the great forum desert !

Enjoy your extended holidays. You truly are in Gods country, enjoy those mountains !


Rob




P Might I suggest that a round of coffee and a bagel for everyone should abat the bosuns whistle of the owner. [:D][:-^]

[BudKarr]

Good Morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen at the bar,

I hope that is a sufficient greeting to keep me from your “Tweeeeeeetings.” <smile> Ah yes, I could use one of your steaming hot mugs of coffee, but with just a dash of something to make it stimulating. Your choice. Let me wander over to the bakery case and select a couple of those good looking delights.

Another window popped open for communications. We’re on satellite here in the mountains of Alberta, don’t know what system my friend is on, but it works.

My, my, the postings have been quite interesting and involved for the past several pages. Indeed, it seems that the bar has taken on a totally new direction with the information being provided. I found myself entranced somewhat with all of those reprints by Mr. Barndad. Very interesting and pleasant reading. Good choices.

Noticed that some of the regulars have dropped by the wayside. That will happen as people find new things to perk their interests. I would suspect that is behind the absences moreso than anything else. If one is to participate at this particular thread, one must be willing to “play the game,” as you so aptly put it, or be ignored. I respect that. You built this idea from scratch and should have the right to maintain it the way you see fit. We, on the other hand, have the option of checking out. I would say you have a steady clientele and a loyal one at that. Good show!

We may spend the weekend in the big city – a rather long drive to Edmonton. I prefer taking a private flight, but the Lady of the Manor is not so inclined. <grin> The mountain up and down drafts frighten her. Actually, the pucker factor does increase for me as well. However, it is a much more expedient way to close the distances.

My plans are flexible at the moment and unless I receive a call requesting my immediate services, I may just stay up here over the holidays. We are booked for one of the former CP lodges and it should be quite an experience indeed. Christmas in an adult setting is what we are looking for, and my companion found just such a place.

I see that the rendezvous seems to be falling into place quite well, according to your email information that is. When you look at the numbers of people frequenting this bar and then take into account how many have committed to the Toronto trip, I would say you have done quite well, quite well indeed. Right now I am still open for that time frame, but cannot make a firm commitment simply due to the flexibility of my scheduling. This long winter hiatus will most probably result in a backlog of trips for me to take, some perhaps into the spring. We shall see.

The comments directed my way from the regulars are appreciated. You are a fine lot and and in some strange way, I have found a reason to stick with this idea. A railroading forum, of all things! If you knew of my comings and goings, this would be the last place anyone would look for me. Perhaps not such a bad idea at that.

Until the next time.

BK

[red p]

ok, Tom how about Coffee and a bagel?
P

[Anonymous]

Good show! The posts are still coming in "hot and heavy." Just a quick cuppa Joe and a toasted Bagel this a.m., please Tom. You know, the mention of the "Fish Bowls" (G.M.C. city buses) was akin to being reminded of my Nephew's and Nice's ages. WOW, does that ever "date" me and my model Pike. The truth is, the afore mentioned bus is too new for my "cut-off" date of 1952. I'm still stuck in the "flat bottom" era (sounds appropriate) buses which were Plaster of Paris castings that needed lots of filing and cleaning up.[:O] The giant "take over" of City Lines was in progress, so I have 2 paint liveries (bus) from that era. Like Rob, I'm no fan for "rubber baby buggy bumpers," still, the transition from rail to bus did happen and needs to be recognized ("more is the pity").

The NYC shrouded steam that Al mentioned brought back a memory of Lionel O gauge models of some of them. Personally, the only streamlining of steam that I appeciated were on the Pennsy and Frisco rosters.[^] Part of the excitement of steam for me was the exsoskeleton of pumps, air resovoirs, feed water heaters, steam and sand domes, et al. Those old "heavy browed" locos hauling endless consists of freight cars in a sub zero wintery setting speaks volumes about the essence of U.S. r.r.ing.[2c] The articulated Burlington Zephers and U.P. 10,000 get about the same reception as the steam shrouded in sheet metal. They were (for me) a curiosity more than an important alternative to the record setting speed of the early steam "varnish." [soapbox]

Yes P, although your approach to "the real thing" is certainly more "hands on" than anything I have experienced, your assessment of "present day r.r.ing" is certainly "on target," in my humble opinion. As Tom has remided us, "change" in so rapid a time frame, is something we must live with. In fact, there has been so much "change" that I'm scarcely aware of all the new proceedures that have taken effect since the 1960's. And frankly, I'm not too sure I will be eager to learn them. "Can't teach an old dog new tricks," I guess.

Nick, no problem with the dated e-mail and your offer of helpful advise is appreciated.[tup] Mostly, its relaying track and altering some "no brainer" thoughts I had earlier on gradients, etc. Then and only "then," can I start thinking "elevated." Those subway cars that Tom purchased are so darned good looking (silver roofs), it may be the way to go (if possible). Remebering the subways that were elevated in many areas, it is a plausible choice. We'll see.

Dave, I think I'll take you up on the offer of a "free lunch." Tom, if Boris is no where near the corned beef, I would like one on toasted rye with plenty of horseradish mustard.[^] There have been several questions left unanswered from my previous posts but as a retired trombonist, I can let things slide.[:-^] Hopefully, everyone will take the holiday "crush" in their own stride and survive the month unscathed. Okay, Boris my new refrigerater isn't here yet, so I'll be doing a lot of "take out." Try to remeber the food goes in the Saran Wrap and the Saran Wrap goes in the paper bag this time, okay?[alien][:(!]

[siberianmo]

Okay, that does it! Tweeeeeeeeeeeets! all around

We need a reminder - Greet the bartender - that's me (or whoever is behind the bar). A good morning all doesn't get it! [tdn] <frown>

Also, ordering just our free coffee isn't keeping us in business - perhaps at five bucks a mug, hmmmmmmm! [swg]

C'mon guys - play along with this - it's what the bar 'n grill is all about - Classic Trains and some fun!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[red p]

Morning all , coffee please.
As far as sunday goes I already have my picture picked out [:D]
P

[coalminer3]

Good Morning: Coffee, please; round for the house, and more $ for the jukebox.

The coffee is most welcome today as it is cold and a heavy frost. It makes for a nice drive to work as all the trees and underbrush are coated with frost and the sun glints off of them. Who needs DVDs when you have this sort of show to enjoy.

Hot !@#$ - NYC material! It doesn't take much to get me started!

"Bathtub" is surely the right word for these engines. IIRC, the 4-6-2 bathtubs operated on the Mercury while 5344 operated on the "Century."

NYC 5344 appeared in many "styles" of we can call them that. IIRC, she ran "plain" after the second set of shrouding was removed. 5344 was the last of the Jie-class Hudsons, and the story is that it got the shroud because it happened to be in the shops for overhaul when the decision was made to do the streamline project. The design was developed by Carl Kantola, an industrial designer from Cleveland, OH. An interesting story abt 5344 is that she was brought to New York in December, 1934 to be displayed at Grand Central, but was too big to fit into the Park Avenue Tunnel. According to Zimmermann's book 20th Century, Kantola, "...suggested filling the boiler completely with water - which worked. The extra weight compressed the srpings just enough to let the locomotive slip in."

Now, a question - why hasn't AWK been seen since Thanksgiving? Enquiring minds want to know - I hope he didn't wind up as dinner somewhere....or maybe it was something like the Three Stooges movie with the parrot inside the turkey.

To our "steamed owner. Have you given any thought to setting a day aside for postings of Christmas/ Holiday train travel memories?

work safe

[siberianmo]

Mornin’ All!

What a beautiful mornin’ here in mid-continent USA with light snow fallin’ – a brisk breeze and all the roofs of the homes covered in white. It’s only a dusting, but as Juneau and I made the 6:30 AM one mile trek, it was an especially pleasant sight! Especially so with the MMTB homes all lit up with Christmas lights.

MMTB [?] you ask – More Money Than Brains! That refers only to those who leave the lights on 24/7 ….. a waste of resources fer sure, fer sure, but commonplace ‘round these parts. Hmmmmmm, maybe I should start sellin’ timers, and of course charge a “modest fee” to set them up! [swg]

My guess is that we are NOT going to have much of a Sunday Photo Posting Day! So, there will be a modification to the format – submissions of NOSTALGIA and Fallen Flags are encouraged. [tup] As always, we want to continue limiting the narratives to Monday thru Saturday ……

passengerfan Al Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 21:41:52 and 01 Dec 2005, 06:59:40

A long day for you. Amazing how some days one requires at least 34 hours squeezed into 24.

Nice “alteration” to the Streamliner series!

For all: Check out this URL – click on the pictures - http://www.steamlocomotive.com/streamlined/scrapped/

By the by, are you an old “key pounder” too [?] As I mentioned, my first 14 years was as a radio operator and the dit dit dit dah dah dah dit dit dit could surely snap one to immediate attention, especially while on the mid or 4-to-8 watches in early AM. Somewhere ‘round this house is my old “speed key,” I’ll have to dig it out and see if I can still “swing.” Been a long, long time …… We used to have “split phones,” with 500 Kcs (now Mhz) in one ear, another frequency in the other, and at least two speakers set up for yet others. On our larger ships we had 2 man watches ‘round the clock, whereas on smaller ones only one operator. While aboard a buoy tender in Kodiak, Alaska we would operate on a “schedule” in that we sometimes didn’t have enough guys to man the watch 24/7. Was a good profession back then – we were also technicians for the most part, and tried not to call upon the ET’s unless and until things got really complex. I go back to vacuum tubes and the like. Once solid-state circuitry came in, well, I became a candidate for the tar pits. [swg] One huge reason why I opted to become a “line officer,” that and of course the motivation to do better for my family.

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 00:52:26

[wow] You do have a vivid imagination, dontcha [?] [swg] If you found that ad a bit on over the top, I’ll have to hunt some others down that will shock ya, fer sure, fer sure! [:O]

Those GMC “Fishbowls” I referred to are made by Busch and not as high priced as the others in the Walthers catalog. I find that in order to make my city scene realistic, especially in light of a Bus Depot right next door to Union Station, a couple of transit buses fit the bill. Anyway, I had hoped to find modern North American transit buses – but alas, they ain’t available. Lots of Euro stuff, but that’s not at all what I want. I’ve got a couple of rather “vintage” buses at the Depot right now and they will be “retired” to my display case.

I did find some North American “tour” buses when I was in the construction phase of the Can-Am and they fit quite well with a couple of my scenes. Have one up in the Mountain Village – at the diner – and two in the city. Makes it look “real” and busy.

For all: I see RailImages is “down” again …. So if you guys are wondering why some pictures aren’t showing up, that’s why. I use two methods – RailImages – and- PhotoBucket. If anyone needs elaboration on what I’m talking about – send me an Email.

Rob you’re just going to have to put in some “over time” to get that cross-Canada rail trip fund built up to more realistic levels! [swg] Ten bucks! Ha – that’ll just about get you a couple of beers, with tips of course. <grin>

We really haven’t “locked in” on anything yet. Still looking at Alaska and a trip up to Fairbanks from Anchorage. That’s our first choice. Cruise ships are out for us, we’d prefer to fly directly to the “jumping off” spot ….. Second choice is Jasper to Prince Ruppert and back. Problem, flying into Jasper; closest international airports are Edmonton and Calgary. Getting to either one from where we live is a veritable hodge-podge of changing planes, etc. Ahhhhhh, it’s fun to plan these things – doesn’t cost a dime! [swg]

I’ll have the bar all day, but will restrict my Postings to noonish, late afternoon and this evening – unless of course we have a “rush” at the bar.


Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a coffee and diet pastry from the Mentor Bakery.

PASSENGERFAN ALS STREAMLINER CORNER # 19

Something different for toadys post is not a streamlined train but a streamlined engine.

The engine was named COMMODORE VANDERBILT and it was NYC J-1e 4-6-4 Hudson Locomotive 5344 streamlined to head the heavyweight Twentieth Century Limited between Toledo and Chicago westbound each morning and westbound each afternoon. This was a distance of 223.6 miles. The engine entered service at the head of the TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED on February 19, 1935. The streamlining was of the upside down bathtub design that was popular with many roads. The NYC streamlined the 5344 and two Pacifics with this type streamlining and that was the only three NYC units so shroudded. The 5344 would later receive a Raymond Loewy shroud becoming the only NYC steam locomotive to wesr two types of streamlining.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

It’s the 12th month! On the 12th day of this new month, ”Our” Place will be 8 months into existence! [wow]

One more day to go and this work week will end, for most. Time to grab one of those steaming mugs of freshly brewed coffee, a <light> breakfast, and of course The Mentor Village Bakery pastry case awaits! [swg]

You can never trust a man who can look a pretty woman in the eye.


Info for the Day:

(1) Today is Fish ‘n Chips Nite and maybe something from Nick’s Picks!
(2) Friday is Pizza Nite along with Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
(3) Saturday is ENCORE! Day
(4) Sunday is Sunday Photo Posting Day! and yes, we are CLOSED!

SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) passengerfan Al Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 02:42:37 (178) Streamliner #18 – Advance Denver Zephyrs

(2) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 05:27:39 (178) Game, etc.

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 05:30:18 (178) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(4) barndad Doug Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 06:04:25 (178) Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part I

(5) barndad Doug Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 06:06:26 (178) Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part II

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 08:06:31 (178) Acknowledgments, etc.

(7) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 08:34:06 (178) NYC Christmas Ad, etc.

(8) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 08:58:18 (178)

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 12:03:25 (178) Inclusive Post, etc.

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 12:03:39 (178) reply to coalminer3 & nickinwestwales

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 12:04:57 (178) NOSTALGIA #34 – Ad – Burlington (1949)

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 12:09: (178) reply to: trolleyboy

(13) passengerfan Al Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 12:53:02 (178)

(14) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 15:03:11 (178) Inclusive Post, etc.

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 15:13:59 (178) One more time!

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 15:25:21 (179) Acknowledgments, etc.

(17) passengerfan Al Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 15:58:12 (179)

(18) wanswheel Mike Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 16:30:47 (179) Inclusive Post, etc.

(19) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 16:59:42 (179)

(20) West Coast S Dave Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 17:39:04 (179)

(21) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 18:16:10 (179) Inclusive Post, etc.

(22) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 19:02:59 (179) Acknowledgments, etc.

(23) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 19:52:24 (179)

(24) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 21:22:53 (179) Inclusive Post, etc.

(25) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 21:40:36 (179) reply to nickinwestwales, etc.

(26) passengerfan Al Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 21:41:52 (179) 4th Post!

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[trolleyboy]

Evening Leon I'll grab a CR and a broom and help put everything from whence it came.

Tom Saw your post but I was outta time and had to run.Enjoyed it once I could read it however, I'm not sure that some of the language in it could be used in modern times with out causing some alarm. Tha t whole " Land of A Million Thrills.. Sped , Comfort , and Pleasure " Thing could be considered not PG-13 nowadays. You don't want to get us [censored] do you [?] Good stuff anyway.


We have three old fichbowels in brantford as emergency power. If the low floors and GMC Classics crap out they will bring them out of the bus barn.

I found the models a atd pricey $38 dollars on sale her so I've avoided them at the moment. I reallt don't like busses anyway.

Ted No problem with the disks really it's more just a lack of time to sit down and do it.( read realitivley lazy Rob ) Rest assured I will get them up and running.Hope you are all right or am I misreading the hit and run bit. You shouldn't be eating at MacDonalds anyway ( you thought spam was a bit off [xx(] [swg] ) Talk about blowing chunks as Tom would say.


Mike I've scanned that article really good read btw. Post the url i think as Tom sadi that the boyz will appreciate it [tup] Nice to know that trains sparked your existance in a way. You were starcrossed to love trains my friend [tup] I know a bit far out but hey it's late.

Nick Glad to know that you may be amongst us in May. I'll be sure to keep you away from the CR and or open flames [:O][swg]


Al thanks for the answer on the zepher question. I figured that they would be a pain to change out. Coarse Doug would know they have one at his museum. BTW Doug hows the repair comming on it ?

Dave Thanks for letting us off the hook with the answer .The Montreal transit authoriteies ran some odd power for commuter trains over the years as well. For a while they had a couple of old H16-44's leased from CP as well as CP's last two operational RS10's. The Rs's at least were dual mode loco's with a steam gen set. CP's two serviving E8's also toiled in the back and forth of commuter service in Montreal for a while as well ( talk about overkill ) !


Rob

[passengerfan]

Good Evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a triple CR and a round for the house. Todays meeting was conducted by the Judges, District Attorney, and Public Defenders. After listening to this bunch maybe their is some hope for our high crime problem after all.

Tom never thought about it but I will certainly miss di di di da da da di di di guess progress eventually buries the past.

Tomorrow I we\ill find a short streamliner posting as it will be a twelve hour day at the office.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

Just let me add a good nite to all as an addendum to Nick's most welcome Post. Can't top that one ... always Inclusive and always most entertaining! Can't imagine bein' at the keyboard at 3:17 AM for any other reason than insomnia! [swg]

Very happy to learn that May is lookin' good for the First Annual Rendezvous in Toronto Hopefully, we'll add a couple of more before the event takes place ... [tup]

Don't give up on the "game," Mate! Pehaps we should make a game out of trying to figure it out! [;)]

Hey! I saw jdonald Don peeking in at us - but no Post! Whazzup [?] Haven't seen ya 'round here for a bit ...... [tdn]

Okay, P, you've vented, now as the Eagles song title says, Get Over it! (press H14 on [i]Herr Wurltizer![/i)

Leon the Night Man has the bar! Boris Ring the bell and give 'em all a nightcap on me ......

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening fellow stop-outs & ne`r-do-wells,managed to stumble back in before Leon noticed me (He takes that bit in his contract about expelling drunks from the premises far too literally IMHO....)
O.K,where am I ,ah yes-
[4:-)]TOM-better set up a couple of those green bottles please,this might take a while:-
ok,first up-still TOM-I hope the tunnel on the `S`Capades has a lift off-looks like a very long piece of track to have out of your control--Nice one on the Soo Line,another one of those maneagable size roads ( C.P. connection helps )[tup]
BAR CHANDLER ROB-Appreciate the offer of a J.D but would prefer a beer ( you`ve never had the pleasure of my company after drinking spirits,it`s a luxury you can spare yourself,believe me--on a different note-([4:-)]TOM also) May looking increasingly promising,sister due home at Xmas,will start final negotiations then and report directly

MIKE-pull up a stool and take the weight off,a long Dr P over T.V advert crushed ice ?-Be good to hear your Old Man`s story [^]-here`s the bribe,you spill the beans,we provide an unlimited supply of Spam & Ketchup on white ( & heres the killer ) fla***oasted under a full-blast Salamander so that the outside is crisp nut-brown but the butter hasn`t softened in the centre -N.B-[C=:-)]`s tip-always chill can for sveral hours before opening-you`ll see why when you do it.
RED P-welcome aboard,Jack + Coke it is
AL-Now-Badger & Gopher,this is more my scale of train-the trans-continentals & such cover more territory than I can comfortably imagine......As to Spam,when I was a kid,Mum made sure we had meat every day-her definition being `part of an animal`.
Spam-nice safe pink stuff with no tubes,bone splinters,strange purple bits,bits of bristles etc
SIR THEODORE MANAGER-I am ashamed to say that I`ve only just re-discovered your E-Mail R.E. your yard throat,will contact you separately once your current situation is resolved
B.K.-Glad you are enjoying the good things in life[tup][^][tup]-If that`s a pre-Christmas `taster`,I don`t suppose we`ll be seing much of you for the holiday season..................
Ho Ho Ho..............
PETE-Auntie Ellen (Mrs Skyrme)-the Trevithick descendant is in fact quite famous locally-not,as one might expect,because of her ancestry but because she is the last of the old Llangwm fishwives & the last who still speaks the old Llangwm dialect-has been on local T.V & radio. a number of times
CM3-Had heard the name Ernie Tubbs,but didnt know any more than that-thanks for the pointer
WEST COAST DAVE-if thats the entry level for the bar-quiz trivia thing------------I`ll be in the galley if you need me
DOUG-keep that good stuff coming [tup]
DAN-Seize the moment--!--for those kids,you ARE-- Mr Conductor-you wont let em down [swg]
right,game abandoned until I can explain it face to face,whoops,-it`s got late early again-strange how that keeps happening............
Well,lovely to see you all but as it`s now 03:17 and counting & I have 11 cubic yards of hardcore to shift tomorrow,almost certainly in the pi**ing rain,I will bid you all a fond fare-thee-well and a peaceful nights sleep nick[C=:-)]

[red p]

QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo
ftwNSengineer P Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 16:59:42

Tweeeeeeeeeeet! Tweeeeeeeeeeeet! Rules violation! Rules violation! Rule #1: Failure to greet the barkeep –and- Rule #2: Failure to order a drink and/or food! Boris Ring the bell, the man called P is buying the house a round! [yeah]

OH, #@&% !

[siberianmo]

Evenin’ Gents!

Okay now, where was I [?] Ah yes – earlydiesels Dan …. As much as you are looking forward to resumption of “duties” at the Midland I know that those of us who “followed” your long absence and recovery hope that you don’t “pu***he envelope.” Take care, man! [tup] And of course, have an enjoyable time – you AND your bride! [swg]

To the acknowledgments:

passengerfan Al Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 15:58:12

Why THANK YOU, Sir …. Appreciate the acknowledgment!

I always got a kick out of that term, “Blue Ribbon.” Have you ever actually seen the ribbon [?] And was it really blue [?] [swg] Seriously, sounds to me as if you are quite the civic minded guy – society can only gain by having the citizenry engaged. That’s not a quote from anyone that I’m aware of, just my thoughts on the matter. [tup][tup]

By the by, thanx for the THREE Posts today! [tup][tup][tup]

wanswheel Mike Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 16:30:47

You may not know this, but the USCG is indeed out of the “SOS” business. The international Morse code was dropped decades ago as the primary method for communications by ships at sea. Consequently, the USCG decided that there was no longer a need to continuously guard the frequency set aside for “SOS” – 500 Khz.. An era ended one in which I spent about 14 years of my career dedicated to. Like the anvil salesmen of the 1800’s, my skills as a high speed radio telegraph operator are no longer needed. Change, my friend, it’s all about …… [swg

I received your Email – thanx! I still think you should Post that info. Just copy the URL on the last page you sent me to – and post it here. The gujys can then go directly to it and get the “story.” See, it’s easy! [swg]

Man oh man have you ever rekindled a thought or two regarding the “SPAM key.” As with the old roller skate key, I haven’t thought about either in years. Why would I [?] And thanks for the reference to the “SPAM slime,” [yeah] a great “after dinner” inducement to “blow chunks!” <ugh>

Your Post is one of your finest and we all appreciate the time you’ve taken to communicate with us! [tup][tup]

I should mention that ANY misstatement of fact regarding passenger trains will be immediately “pounced upon” by our resident Oracle, passengerfan Al! [swg] But you know what [?] It’s really never meant in any other way other than “setting the record straight.” So, “state” away without trepidation …. [tup]

ftwNSengineer P Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 16:59:42

Tweeeeeeeeeeet! Tweeeeeeeeeeeet! Rules violation! Rules violation! Rule #1: Failure to greet the barkeep –and- Rule #2: Failure to order a drink and/or food! Boris Ring the bell, the man called P is buying the house a round! [yeah]

Your WERE forewarned, Mate! [swg] Ahhhhhhh, thanx for the JD on the rocks. [tup]

There are so many aspects to the hobby called model railroading. I find equal enjoyment simply looklng at the layouts as I do running ‘em. The rolling stock and loco’s in my wall mounted display cases bring to mind great memories as well. Then there’s the construction of a layout and the feeling of accomplishment once a scene, structure or rail car brings a smile to the “creator’s” face. Aspects of a hobby that has brought immense satisfaction my way.

Somewhere on these pages you will find a “rant” of mine regarding the Penn Central. I was a “born ‘n bred” Pennsylvania RR fan. It was MY railroad, loved it and still do. The New York Central was a competitor in several of the markets, but rather than dislike the NYC I had great appreciation for it as well. Once they “bit the dust,” and the entire sorry mess wound up with the courts and government essentially mandating the PC I felt very sad. Sad to see the GG-1’s in livery other than tuscan red or Brunswick green. Sad to see the disappearance of the “keystone” herald and the “lightning bolt” livery. Then the New Haven was “folded into” the PC again by “mandate. Another of my “favorite” roads gone, gone, gone. So, for me, I just could never get “into” the PC.

Now, don’t take any of this personally, for my era was completely different from yours. They’re all gone now – and what has emerged, well – a far cry from days gone by, eh [?]

West Coast S Dave Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 17:39:04

Tweeeeeeeeeeet! Tweeeeeeeeeeeet! Rules violation! Rules violation! Rule #2: Failure to order a drink and/or food! Boris Ring the bell, the man called Dave is buying the house a round! [yeah] We’re a tough crowd ‘round here, Mate! [swg]

Dave’s back and he’s offering a FREE LUNCH! Remember, we make the finest sandwiches in the county – freshest breads and lunchmeats. Just check ‘em out on the sandwich board, right over there …… Grinders, subs, heroes, and hoagies, whatever you prefer to call ‘em, we’ve got ‘em!

You and Nick should get together for “mind bender’s day!” Maybe I should incorporate that on our “calendar.” [swg]

Appreciate the elaboration, however – but I really thought your fellow “left coaster” would have jumped all over this … he didn’t! [wow]

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 30 Nov 2005 18:16:10

Hey Ted! I was just about to Post – but first hit the “Refresh” button and found your Epistle.

Another fine Inclusive Post! with some Tedisms thrown in ….. [swg]

Placed an order today for the subway station and tunnel materials along with a few other things for the Can-Am. Finally found those HO scale “Fishbowl” GMC buses that had been advertised by Walthers for months and months, but seemingly always out of stock. They have ‘em now and they’re on sale at $19.98. Anyway, two of ‘em will be placed at my Bus Depot in Can-Am City. Although they still aren’t the modern transit bus I’ve been looking for, they still “fit” for the period I’m modeling. I understand that “Fishbowls” still ply the streets of a couple of Canadian and U.S. cities. Good thing SEARS didn’t make ‘em! [swg]

Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

Hi everybody, Tom, just a glass of soda (unleaded) for now please. I had a "hit and run" quicky at McDonalds and haven't been the same since.[xx(] Well, I did the "most recent posts" thing so I hope I'm caught up to date. Not good news on the Sears purchase is it? Maybe I'll "luck out" of any major problems, "hope springs eternal." Love all the data on the Denver and California Zephers which you and Al so gereously shared.[tup][tup][tup] As a little shaver during W.W. II, I had more than my fair share of Spam and can attest to the haazards of opening the can mentioned by wanswheel.[:O] The only thing more threatening would be the contents.[V] And yes, I did know of the "steam is king" for setting speed pasenger runs and the Road's that did it come as no surprise.

Sorry for being late checking in but there has been a epidemic of interuptions this day. BK, glad to hear your rail journey wasn't a "bust." Sounds as if the second leg (VIA) was downright enjoyable. Doug, I haven't read installments 2 and 3 yet but the first was very informative and looking forward to finishing them up. WOW, the "nuts and bolts" of keeping a Road competitive and "rolling" entails so many details it boggles the mind. Surely appreciate the time and trouble it takes for postings.[tup] Rob, there is no rush on the pix and I must apologize for "puttin you through the ringer" like this. Had I known of the potential problems, I would have demured from the beginning..."don't sweat it" on my account please. Speaking of Pike Perspectives, I'm making some headway on my Cityscape but as work progresses, I need to do some more "undoing" from previous imprudent choices. Mostly "tweaking," however there is one nagging "glitch" that needs some major surgery. I need to raise the north leg of the mainline about 1" to 1-1/2" for a more prototypical gradient. Since this abuts my work bench, I must raise the working surface of the bench.[#oops]

Pete and Nick, although I know next to nothing of R.R.ing in the U.K, I hope you both know that this information does not "fall on deaf ears." Your interaction is followed with interest indeed.[tup] Earlydiesels Dan, I didn't address your past post on the "flack" that develops with major mergers of different Roads. I suppose it is a natural, if not inevitable, difference in strategies both from management and operations standpoints. From a "burn-out" point of view, I'm sure these conflicts don't help one bit? CM3, "keep them cards and letters coming." [tup] P, glad you're aboard with the rest of us Dinosaurs.[^] I know I'm passing over some other previous posts but the traffic has been pretty heavy lately. Apologies to those I missed! I'll double back to catch the others. Okay Boris, any more tormenting Tex and the S.P.C.A. will "get on your case and in your face" UGH, understood?[alien]

[West Coast S]

Afternoon Tom and the gang..Ok.,we have a tough crowd, the offer of lunch still stands

True enough PassengerFan, even after assignment to the commute pool the train masters ventured into freight duty in the off hours until the mid 60s when it was ordered that this must cease so as to preserve them for commute duties. Actually, they were intended for use out of El Paso, the arid/sandy enviorment wreaked havoc on the prime movers, forcing SP to move them west .

Ok Tom and all, here's the trivia answer: The Bayshore Cutoff was designed for the later addition of two main tracks, making a total of four, also clearences where constructed generously for the later addtion of electrification. SP never developed the need for these upgrades as events turned out..

SP was concerned with image and addherance to the schedule in those long ago days. When events conspired to disable the usual commute power, it was not unusual to find Alco RS-32's, GP-35's, GE U-25B's or low nose GP-9's, all the former from the freight pool, assigned as relief power, such oddball power was confined mostly to Bayshore for switching and local service and therefore readily available in a pinch. My last visit, prior to CalTrain takeover had Tunnel Motors spotted at the service tracks, SP had abandoned the practice of building freight trains in SF, so I suspect this is yet another example of creative use of relief power.

Dave

[red p]

QUOTE: Originally posted by earlydiesels
FtWnsengineer, I've heard for years that one should keep one's interest in trains to oneself should one get a rail job. Funny, but most rails I know cuss the industry but as soon as they retire, they want to get back into in some manner.

A friend Of mine that I work with (also a fan and modeler) told me when I was just starting out, that working for the railroad would ruin the hobby for me.

I told him that it wouldnt, well it almost did. Right about the time I was going through my divorice, which I lost everything even my models. I developed a real bad attitude and I got to the point that I hated trains and couldnt stand the sight of them and it lasted for several years.Im not sure what got me back into to hobby again. But I can tell you that present day railroading does nothing for me. I do love the historical aspect though.

Of course im not going to say anything bad about my employer, but the company I do really like is the PC its the railroad I grew up with when I was a kid and it was the PC that fostered my love of trains in the mid 70s
P

[wanswheel]

Tom everything in recent "Encore" makes sense except the part about "None of this is difficult." If every sailor had your expertise the Coast Guard would soon be out of the S.O.S. business. Who doesn't love Zephyrs. I think I rode the California Z eastbound in 1960. And there's some Z's in that top ten fastest scheduled trains of 1956, all diesel traction. The fastest electric traction that year was the 83.4-mile stretch of Paoli to Harrisburgh in 71 minutes on the Broadway (70.5 mph). Runner-up: Afternoon Congressional between Newark and No. Philadelphia, 76 miles in 65 minutes (70.1mph). But Steam is King, I think.
Going back to 1893 the NYC&H.R. (Hudson?) "Empire State Express" did a mile in 32 seconds (112 mph) and in 1934 some UP train flew 9 miles from Dix to Potter, Nebraska in 4.5 minutes (120 mph). All this according to the brittle yellowed pages of my trusty 1957 World Almanac and Book of Facts, published annually by the erstwhile "New York World-Telegram and The Sun," cumbersomely named vestige of "The New York World" (first corporate sponsor of the World Series) and Virginia wrote the editor of "The Sun" about Santa Claus.

Can I get a Spam sandwich on white, with ketchup? Be careful lifting off the lid, Tom, the edge is treacherous! And please rinse off that slimy gelatin goo before you slice it. Oh the key is missing? No problem I just happen to have a spare spam key. Actually it's a used coffee can key after uncoiling the strip of metal.

Doug, no one was mere seconds from getting run over this time, but near suffocation in a tunnel is pretty good. Until recently I had thought a Mike was a microphone and a Mikado was something like The Barber of Seville.

Nick, your new game may have a long future, considering that the legendary Boris seemed to have landed here on the wings of one of your idle whims. Reminds me, there was a board game called "Dispatcher" that collected dust on department store shelves decades ago. Based on UP operations I think. Can't remember the object. It was dry.
My father thought it would be a great Christmas present. Speaking of Dad, I did ride the California Zepher in 1960, from Oakland to Des Moines, if that's possible. We went out from Hoboken on the Erie-Lackawanna (don't recall name of that train, it left late in the afternoon) and then the Challenger to L.A. and Coast Daylight to S.F. and Rock Island from Des Moines, where my uncle lived. Good old Uncle John, he was at Hickam Field on Dec. 7. And lately I've hardly read a newspaper in the last two weeks, because there's so much to read in this thread.

Rob, I wouldn't even have a family tree without the railroad. Nearly a hundred years ago my grandfather met my grandmother from the cab of a locomotive. She lived in a house near the tracks and one day my grandfather spotted her over there watching the train go by. He gave her a toot of the whistle and she waved back. From that day on everyday about the same time she waited and waved and he tooted the whistle.

"Track to the left is Central Vermont and the area to the right is the B&M yard."
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cv/cv-wrj-am.jpg

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom, Time for a CR or better make that a double I am on the Blue Ribbon Crime Commission and this is our fourth meeting this afternoon. Sure will need something to get me through the meeting.

Tom loved the piece on the CZ and Denver Zephyr in 1949 that would have been the original Denver Zephyr a fine train that was replaced by the last full service streamlined trains to enter service before Amtrak. Those original Streamlined DENVER ZEPHYRS then became the TEXAS ZEPHYRS on the Colorado Southern/Fort Worth and Denver. I remember reading somewhere how many Million miles those original DENVER ZEPHYRS traveled and i beleive they held the record.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Just finished with some MORE Christmas decorations for the outside. My bride decided that we should have "something" in the BACK of the house. Hmmmmm. No further comment on that. Anyway, there is now an illuminated train for us to enjoy - Fa La La La La, Lah, La, La, La, LAH! [swg] Gettin' a bit on the chilly side fer sure, fer sure - winds pickin' up and it "feels" like snow. Sure wish it WOULD! [tup]

Man oh man, I check the Posts and what do I find [?] Argggggggggggggggh. Frustration abounds with this stuff. Thought for sure that my NOSTALGIA piece for today would "tweak" the guy who has been talking about the Zephyrs Oh well, win some, lose some and some are rained out. Double - Arggggggggggh.

Okay, so where am I [?] Ah yes, an Inclusive Post from our friend, earlydiesels Dan! Good show and thanx for the positive comments ......

Gotta run - phone's ringing, door bell is too and my wife just came home! [wow] A trifecta.

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Sorry, but IT happened once again, sooooooooooooo

. . . . . ENCORE! A NOTE for all who Post here! . . . . .

Some of this may be repetitious, however, we have some new guys who may appreciate this info:

When you log in to this Forum (Classic Trains) and see the listings for the topics, you are NOT getting the most CURRENT Posts if you simply click on what you see.

Click on "Active Topics." Use the “Active Topics Since” option (near the top, at the middle) and click on “last 12 hours –or- last 6 hours” etc., and you will then get “refreshed” info.

Another way to ensure that you are reading the MOST CURRENT info, is once you have called up the last page shown for “Our” Place and BEFORE you decide to respond, use the “REFRESH” or “RELOAD” option (usually located at the top bar of your screen). This will call up the MOST CURRENT info.

I cannot explain why the Forums operate this way, but they do. Since I am here more time than most, I see it happen several times a day where someone Posts, but does not respond to information that has been “out there” for an hour or more. Reason [?] Who knows! But one way to circumvent it is to use either of my “procedures” explained above.

For the guys who seemingly have repetitious problems with losing information before it gets Posted – use a word processor program to prepare your material. Cut ‘n paste it to the “message block” on the Thread. Should it get “lost” you always can retrieve it from your WP program. Simple enough, eh [?]

Finally, try to stick around for a couple of minutes AFTER you have Posted – then use the “REFRESH” or “RELOAD” option, just to see if someone has Posted during the time you were preparing yours.


None of this is difficult but will surely keep you “on target” if you are interested in such things. [tup]


Later!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Hello everyone. I'll take a house draught, Tom. Getting psyched up for the Santa train this weekend at the Midland. Think I'll probably have to wear longjohns under the conductor's uniform to stay warm according to the forecast.
FtWnsengineer, I've heard for years that one should keep one's interest in trains to oneself should one get a rail job. Funny, but most rails I know cuss the industry but as soon as they retire, they want to get back into in some manner. I have tried to get on with 2 Class 1s with no luck, and in hindsight am glad I did'nt. I can run trains and enjoy myself hopefully without getting the burnout and bitterness I've observed. This past summer I was handed a job as engineer on a shortline conglomerate but after being lied to, I am still driving truck. Appreciate the info about locomotive quirks and would like more.
WestcoastS, thoroughly enjoyed the Espee bit concerning pass power. That info goes a long way in understanding why certain rrs bought certain power. I wish more PAs were preserved,BTW. One correction, though. PAs were powered by 244s-the 241 was an experimental engine that helped in developing the 244. Unfortunately, the 244 was prone to problems with the crank and other things as it was rushed into production without complete testing, which ultimately soured some rrs on Alco.
Barndad, loved the oilburning fireman's memoirs. Some of this makes sense as I have a tape around here explaining how to fire oilburners, in this case, Espee 2472. Personal recollections put the person in railroading. Without people, the industry would just be a boring collection of statistics. Let's have some more, please.
Tom, I trust you made it thru the high winds the other night. News said wind done some amjor damage in the St Louis area. Another draw, please.
From my perspective as someone who barely caught the end of regular service passenger trains, it can be hard to fathom all the trains that were run everywhere. The ads Tom and others post blow my mind--since I was a kid, the only time rrs are mentioned is when there is a derailment or a crossing incident.
Wish I could post pix for Sundays but not sure how to do it and besides, been using disposable cameras and the Nikon hasn't been used in years.

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a coffee and maybe a diest pastry from the Mentor Bakery.

Rob You asked a question about the early articulated Zephyrs. The PIONER ZEPHYR was built as a three car articulated set but a fourth car was added. One of the original TWIN ZEPHYRS also built as a three car articulated added a fourth car. The MARK TWAIN ZEPHYR was built as a four car articaulated train set and when it was operated in the ADVANCE DENVER ZEPHYR one of the cars was removed the same happened with the PIONEER ZEPHYR that had one car removed during that time period. The reason these two train sets were seleected was due to their 30' RPO compartments something the TWIN ZEPHYRS never had. The CB&Q retained a mail contract on the Chicago - Denver route until all mail contracts were cancelled in the 1960's. It was not an easy job to convert the early Zephyrs from three to four cars or vis versa but it was done quite a few times over the life of the early Zephyrs. The unused cars were stored indoors when not part of one of the ZEPHYR trains. It is my understanding that their were two extra cars made for three car trains and they were interchanged quite regularly.

[siberianmo]

Hi trolleyboy Rob - Hope you stuck around for a minute or two to catch my Posts! I know you are savy enough to do that .... just need to remind the other guys now 'n then! [swg] Just check the times of the last three Posts! <AMAZING!>

Just wanted to acknowledge your Inclusive Post! before getting some outside things done 'round here.

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #34

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the BURLINGTON ROUTE in a 1949 advertisement from my private collection:

. . . . . VISIT Colorful Colorado! . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Land of a Million Thrills! . . . . . . . . . .

* No vacation empire in all the world offers you more variety – more sheer enjoyment! Mile-high Denver and its mountain parks . . . picturesque Colorado Springs and pikes Peak region . . . the grandeur of Rock Mountain National-Estes Park . . . the friendly Dude Ranches. Ride or hike! Fish or golf! Go sightseeing or just be lazy! Whatever you choose, Colorado gives you extra pleasure!

. . . . . For Speed, Comfort, Pleasure . . . Go Burlington! . . . . .

* Choose between two famous diesel-powered streamlined trains - the DENVER ZEPHYR, overnight every night from Chicago to Colorado . . . or the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR, with its entrancing Vista-Domes. Extra speed, extra luxury . . . but no extra fare!

BURLINGTON’S 100th ANNNIVERSARY * 1849-1949
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Way of the Zephyrs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . VISIT THE CHICAGO RAILROAD FAIR JUNE 25 – OCT 2 . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

CHECK THE MONDAY SUMMARY and INDEX PAGES FOR MORE GREAT NOSTALGIA POSTS!

[siberianmo]

G'day!

coalminer3 CM3 I don't know about the others 'round here, but those railroad ads from "back then" were really something else! Sure makes one want to travel by train p meet up with you at South Station! [tup][tup] I'll have to be sure that I don't submit my own version of this as Christmas Day draws closer ...... [swg]

By the by (again)! You have a PENDING answer to a question ...... <chagrin!>

Thanx for the round and quarters. The "sack" you left yesterday just about got the jar up to half. Perhaps I should find a smaller pickeled pig's feet jar! [swg]

nickinwestwales Nick Nope - let me muddle through it one more time. I'm sure the "key" is in the wording! [swg] <grin!>

Okay - time for the afternoon NOSTALGIA piece ......

Tom[4:-)][oX)]