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Posted by nickinwestwales on Monday, December 5, 2005 8:36 PM
Well here we all are,another week older & a long haul to friday-but what better place to shed the cares of the day[^]-Right [4:-)]TOM,since monday is traditionally [C=:-)]`s night off I shall sit awhile,have a glass-in-each-hand sort of drink for a bit,put loads of wholly unsuitable music on the juke and generally show myself up,please feel free to show me the door when I cease to be even slightly amusing. Two Staropramen please and start the clock [tup][^[tup]
So we are needing the penthouse suite is it ? ( sorry,lapsed into Welsh syntax there)--O.K-Boris,come here-right, upstairs,big bedroom,sparkly glass lights,clean-where MANAGER SIR THEODORE takes the barmaids for their `interviews`-yes ?-go and take all the tins of meat & rolls of carpet and put them in your shed,lock the door & bring me the key-you can sleep in the beer cellar for a few days-it will be just like home...good er,-boy
ah [4:-)]TOM,best have another couple,these two seem to have evaporated or something,-ah good man,I know its early for you but I`m sure a man of your station in life can enjoy a pre-prandial beer or two-A.K`s finest ?
MoPac surely had the market sewn up with the `Eagle`branding-how potent a piece of imagery is that-from the Eagles on the standards of the Roman legions to the only `grown up` on Sesame street/The Muppet show to the jet engines under the wings version the Stones used for a backdrop on the `Brown Sugar` press launch....but I wander,to posts before my faculties fail me:-
RED P-Hi,If I`d heard that pitch 20 years ago I would have jumped at the chance-whatever happened to the spirit of adventure-?
Safe journey by the way,will have a large Jack awaiting your return[tup]
RUSS-how ya doin ?-glad you had some quality family time-and the best thing about it-getting back to your own space afterwards,nice pic by the way-a handsome beast ( the engine has it`s good points too.......)
MIKE-Howdy,you have some ( rather belated ) mail-Having read the article in the archive I can see a second thread binding us,our bar manager SIR THEODORE ( currently on sick leave ) is a trombonist of some note (D# I think) whose presence never fails to lift the house band to new heights.
As to std gauge,my understanding is that Stephenson set the gauge based on an average of the horse drawn carts coming & going from North Wylam colliery during a day.It is entirely possible that the basic dimensions of the carts have remained unchanged since Roman times-A given number of horses can only pull so much. Also the Romans would have required that two carts could pass each other on any stretch of road & they built roads to a standard pattern...........
[4:-)]TOM,I think I may have brought in a crate of rogue bottles,that evaporation thing seems to be happening again,would you be so kind-and a round for the boys,to keep out the chill,good man-one yourself,obviously...........ahhh
Right,a quick shout into the ether--"SIR MANAGER THEODORE-Can you hear me-one knock for yes,two knocks for no--Appreciate that you probably can`t come to the phone right now,but that funny tingle in the back of your neck is us wishing you well in a concerted effort.
CM3-Appreciate yor kind thoughts R.E weekend-by an odd quirk of fate,this weekends venue is one of the few where the girls are actually LESS attractive at closing time ( Believe me,you need to be there....) P.S-steamed proprieter-[tup][[^][tup]..oh yes[^]

BAR CHANDLER ROB-first up,thanks for the latest instalment [tup]
As to the rest,I bear grave tidings-the O.N.R `Cats`-As you know,the last 3 were `in store` at North Bay.
As far as I can make out,one is still there,the other two were rumoured to be part of a `package deal` with 2 S.D40`s going out to a lease company in B.C.
Have also seen reports of an F.P.7 being cut up in the on-route scrap yard ( Pinchot bros ?)but may be the last of the G.M units.
Anyway,the real bad news is that the last `Cat` & the 2 remaing T.E.E coaches were due to go for scrap last month and are counting the days..( apparently,they are being used as temporary accomodation by the local wino`s)
Now hows that for a challenge-rescue ourselves a nice little private train,the perfect venue for all manner of social occaisions........An F.P.7a with 2 custom-fitted Werkspoor cars....The REALLY scary bit is that we could probablly do it...................................
Well gentlemen,I`ve noticed a distinct lean to the left on my last two attempts at the bathroom ( the boys playing pool were certainly suprised if not impressed ) and I feel I should treat this as a gentle warning from the gods not to push my luck,have a pleasant evening everyone,see you tomorrow,nick[C=:-)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, December 5, 2005 7:56 PM
Evenin’ Gents!

An Email has been sent to ALL members of the Order of the Stools – Permanent and Regular. PLEASE acknowledge receipt and IF you didn’t get it, let me know. Thanx! [tup[

Special for Ted – Hope all’s well. We miss ya ‘round here.

Some acknowledgments:

wanswheel Mike
Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 16:39:23 and 05 Dec 2005, 11:01:02


Sounds like the makings of a great series for the Mentor Village Gazette – why not send me a paragraph or two of your “Follow the Beef” story [?] I’ll put it in the next edition …. [swg]

Like those music clips and we could use more – even the “classic” of “Does your chewing gum lose its flavor on the bedpost over night?” [yeah]

Surely you have noted the warning label – “Caution, images in the cyber mirror may be distorted beyond comprehension!” [swg]

I have scanned photo’s from 35 mm prints for inclusion within my photo albums in my computer. Can be done, but there is a quality difference. Depending on the quality you start with, of course, will determine the quality of the copy. Anyway, I’m hoping that someone will “walk you through” the process – it would be great to have some pix from you for our Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Good stuff on the Santa Fe and the Rutland RR! [tup][tup]

Received your Email and will check it out further in the AM … thanx!

nickinwestwales Nick
Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 18:20:24


Appreciate the captions for the pix, Mate! Keep those pix rollin’ in – but if you will, try to get ‘em to me a bit earlier in the week. Like to space out my cyber work to avoid that weekend crunch. [tup]

Your Emails have been received - one reply en route - thanx!

Trainnut484 Russell
Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 21:56:26


Nice win by the Chiefs! There are no easy teams on the way to the playoffs, anything can and does happen to be best of ‘em. Still don’t care for some of the “personalities” in the pro sports world. Guys with criminal records and ongoing flaps about this or that really bother me. Wonder what they will do once they wind up without fame and most probably, fortune [?] Then again, who gives a rat’s patoot!

Appreciate the pix and I’m hoping we can get more from you for next week. C’mon – it’s past time for some Russell Photo Magic! [tup]

ftwNSengineer P
Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 09:50:28 and 11:18:45


Thhhhhhhhhhhtweeeeeeeeeeeethhhhhhhhhh! Thhhhhhhhhhhhtweeeeeeeeeeeeethhhhhhhhhhhh!

What the #&%$6^ is wrong with my tweeter [?]

Okay, then we’ll resort to our next best attention getting – Boris go get the hard rubber mallet from the Rat’s Patoot Room! – that should do it! [swg]

I saw a Post of yours on Robs museum site and think you should consider Posting it here. Really good stuff on the Norfolk Southern. I think our crew would enjoy it …..

I too have quite an inventory of 35mm color slides – going back into my early days in the service. A few dozen taken in Alaska before statehood and shortly thereafter. Would love to convert them over. Just haven’t taken the time to research what’s available out there. Any tips [?} I can always find the money by jacking up the prices of the bagels that some of you seem to think will keep us afloat! [swg]

coalminer3 CM3
Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 13:27:25


Thanx for participating in the contest! Wudda thought by now we’d have more than three “takers.” Unbelievable – just makes me wonder whether the stuff I’m putting out is being read.

Good stuff on the NC&StL as well as Cunard [tup][tup] I spend quite a bit of time browsing the flimsy pages of my 1956 (Aug) edition of The Official Guide of the Railways – love those ads – trains, rental cars, steamship lines, etc. Great stuff indeed.

I’m having a bit of trouble communicating with you by Email these days as every one I’ve sent gets sent back as being “undelivered.” Please send me an Email when you have the chance so that we can resume our comms – I’ve got some “things” for you. Thanx!

Appreciate the round and of course the quarters for our Juke – Herr Wurlitzer! [tup][tup]

trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 15:42:57 and 17:-0:12


Totally understandable, Mate! Family and work surely take precedence over the Ether. Just miss having you ‘round here. Hopefully those pix will show up next Sunday! [yeah]

That’s a terrific CNR Steam and I hope the guys take the time to read it! Good work and very much on target insofar as our discussion of Classic Trains is concerned! [tup][tup][tup]

pwolfe Pete
Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 19:21:17


Here’s what I found regarding the RMS Mauretania: The ship was purchased on 3 April 1935 by Metal Industries Ltd. of Glasgow for scrap. All the fixtures and fittings were auctioned on 14 May at Southampton Docks. On 1 July the ship left for the Tyne. On 3 July it reached the Firth of Forth and was then moved to Rosyth for dismantling. (from http://www.ocean-liners.com/ships/mauretania.asp)

Not a good time to be fighting a cold, especially with the temps in the teens here in mid-continent U.S.A. Take one of those bottles of “Jack” with you when you leave, it’ll chase away any cold I know of! [swg] Just get over it BEFORE our Amtrak trip!

I agree with you about how those Eagles must have looked while speeding along the banks of the Missouri River. A heck of a lot more impressive than our 3 car Amtrak consists, eh [?] Well, the positive take on it is at least we have two round trips per day between StL and KCity.


Okay, that’s it for me. Leon the Night Man has the bar! Boris Ring the bell – a round on me for everyone at the bar!

Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]



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Posted by pwolfe on Monday, December 5, 2005 7:21 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and,although I dont usually drink spirits, a good tot of Wood's Navy Rum to try to shift this pesky cold I've picked up please. I hope TED that you are feeling better.

ROB thanks for the Delston info. I remember Chris had given some info on it. I had been looking back through the pages of Our Place but like Encore Day I found some interesting post from the past and spent the next hour reading it and the follow ups.There has been a lot of great info posted at the bar.Anyway I have found their web-site it is
http//www.exporail.org/
This looks a great museum with the 1st Montreal Electric and Observation street cars and 100 scale models together with their Loco collection.
Thanks for the C.N.R.Steam#7 greatdetail of the operations.[tup]

MIKE Thanks for the posts on the floods and the Santa-Fe trail.I'm not sure how they arrived at the 4ft-81/2 inches guage athough I.K. Brunel built the Great Western to a
7ft-01/4 inch guage. this allowed far higher speeds than the standard guage even in the 1840s but caused a great deal of extra work when the two guages met with the trans-shipment of goods. A Goverment Inquiry found in favor of the Standard guage and the last broad guage train ran in the U.K. in May 1892 with the final conversion taking place over ONE weekend. NICK has a good photo of the Mixed-guage tracks at Didcot in the Sundays photos. They have also built a replica Broad-Guage Loco at Didcot.

Good photos P. The late 60s and the early 70s were an interesting time for diesels in the U.K. too,although steam had just finished there, some classes was not photographed too often.

Thanks for trying to warm us up CM3 Heres a question for the regulars.I' ll buy a few beers to the one who can tell me.
Where did the SS.MAURETANIA, hooter finish up. A CLUE. About as far from the sea as it could be in this particular place but still in occasional use.(It is no longer there.)

TOM Great info on the MO-PAC The steam hauled Eagles must have been a wonderful sight along the Missouri. [#offtopic] but talking of eagles,on friday when coming back from the Post-Office in Jeff City the Wildlife people were releasing two young Bald Eagles they had nursed back to health they also had a full grown one which was being shown for the T.V. They are magnificent birds.Thanks for posting NICKS pics[tup].

NICK Great pics.THE Compton Down Rly looks wonderful in a great Welsh setting unfortunatly I did not have a layout back home but I certainly appricate the hard work and the amount of detail in the many fine layouts I have seen.
Can you tell me on what line is Enniscorthy Did you go on any of the Steam tours that have been in Ireland [?].
As for Swindon engines being the best [%-)] IM not sure about that but it sure would have been interesting if W.A.Stanier had became C.M.E. of the Great Western instead of designing the L.M.S. stud of such fine locomotives.
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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, December 5, 2005 5:09 PM
Okay something for the archieves.

CNR STEAM #7... PASSENGER TRAINS AT PALMERSTON ONTARIO

As taken from Ian Wilson's Steam Over Palmerston.

Palmerston is a town close to my heart. i've only visited it once but my Great Grandfather ( Mom's granddad ) was a section man / track walker based out of Palmerston. So I have been told many a story about these times in the 40's and 50's. Mom grew op in Listowell not far from this at the time important division point on CNR's mid Ontario branchlines.

Passenger switching Moves at Palmerston

Prior to Sept. 30,1956 , London trains 168 and 170 arrived on the north leg of wye and backed into the dog leg. After sept 30, train 168 arrived on the south leg of wye to facilitate the transfer of mail car to train 169. Southhampton trains 178 and M330 arrived on Owen Sound mainline,and cars were switched to adjacent yard lead after unloading. Kincardine trains 176 and M332 arrived on North leg of wye and backed into dog leg. after unloading , cars from Kincardine trains were removed from dog leg to make room for loading of Southhampton trains ( late in steam era M332,began arriving on Owen Sound mainline, backing in behind M330 ). Outgoing Kincardine trainswere backed from yard lead through crossovers, and forward to load on the Newton sub mainline ( generally upon arrival of train for Owen Sound ).

All trains to and from Owen Sound arrived on Owen Sound mainline. Engines off 172 and 174 backed onto cars left on yard lead. Engine then worked train around the wye to load on ( and leave from ) opposite side of the station. After sept 30, 1956 , 169 loaded on Owen Sound mainline, with mail car off 168 added to consist. At departrure, train backed to, then left from,north leg of the wye. All Southampton trains left from the dog leg. All trains for Kincardine left from Newton sub mainline. Durham mixed arrived on,and left from, Owen Sound mainline.


CARS

Consists of 173 from Hamilton,and 175 from Toronto went to Owen Sound,and returned to originating terminals on trains 174 and 172 respectivly. At Palmerston, cars as required from London trains were cycled to Southampton and return ( 168 to M329, 170 to 179, 178 to 169, M330 to 171 ). Through the end of steam, RPO cars worked from Hamilton to Park Head and return on 173 and 174 , and from Toronto to Owen Sound and return on 175 and 172. Untill sept 29 1956 , RPO's worked from London to Southampton and return on, 170, 179, M330 & 171 and 168 , M329,178 & 169/29. And from Palmerston to Kincardine and return on M331 & 176. Mailwas also handled bynbaggage cars on Durham trains M333 & M 334. and Kincardine trains 177 & M332. Effective sept 30,1956, all mail service on Southampton,Kincardine,and Durham subdivisions was cancelled. as a result, RPO's dissapeared from 170 & 171, and the RPO off 168 at Palmerston returned to London the same morning on 169/29 ( necessitiating a schedule change and revised operating procedures at palmerston )

The Passenger Trains


Number 168

Left London at 6am, after making connections with train 14, the Chicago-Montreal International Limited . At Stratford, cnnected with Goderich-Toronto train 28, Stratford-Sarnia train 601, and Stratford - Fort Erie M219. Scheduled meet with counterpart 169 at Milverton ( effective sept 30/56, departure time changed to enable 168 to arrive at Palmerston before 169 left ). At Palmerston,connected with Hamilton-Owen Sound train 173.

Number 169

From Palmerston,train to Stratford and London morning connection for Owen Sound-Toronto train 172,Kincardine-Palmerston train 176, and Southampton-Palmerston train 178. See number 168 for meeting times on Newton sub. At Stratford,connected to train 29 from Toronto. Consist of train 29 proceeded to Goderich as number 35. Consist of train 169 proceeded to London as number 29,where it connected with train 17 the Montreal-Chicago International Limited , and it's Windsor/Detroit section 117.Equipment off 29 at London worked to Port Huron and back on trains 17 and 20. In the eveining,these cars headed back to Palmerston on 170.

Number 170

Left London at 6:25pm,after connecting with train 620 from Sarnia. At Stratford,connected with Toronto-London train 11 ( connection disscontinued sept.30/56) At Palmerston,connected with Toronto-Owen Sound train 175.

Number 171

From Palmerston, train was Stratford and London afternoon connection for Owen-Sound-Hamilton train 174,Kincardine-Palmerston M332 and Southampton-Palmerston M330. See trains 168 and 170.

Number 172

Left Owen Sound at 5:50 am. At Palmerston,made connection with 176 from Kincardine,and 178 from Southampton and 169 for London.

Number 173

Left hamilton at 8:50 am. Connected with trains 27 and 29 at Guelph.In the 40's at Guelph an express car and two coaches from Toronto were lifted from 29,and placed at the rear of the hamilton cars. These came off at Palmerston,and were added to the tail end of number 174, and switched to train 34 at Guelph.Number 173 picked up an express car from number 27 at Guelph. At Palmerston,173 connecte dwith mixed trains to Kincardine,Southampton.and Durham,made connections to M337 for Wiarton and set an RPO out for Park Head.

Number 174

Left Owen Sound at 1:45pm. Usually lifted express car off Wiarton M336 at Park Head. Connected at Palmerston with mixed trains from Southampton,Kincardine,and Durham. Connected with trains 34 and 36 at Guelph. In the 1950's, express car was set off for no 36 at Guelph.


Number 175

Left Toronto at 5:35pm.At Palmerston,conected with train 170 from London,train 177 for Kincardine,and train 179 for Southampton.

Enjoy Rob
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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, December 5, 2005 3:42 PM
Good afternoon Tom and the gang. I'll just grab a tea and leave some quarters ( and loonies )[:-^] [:D] for the wurlitzer. This working a half week of nights half week of regular's starting to wear me thin [xx(]. That coupled with working in a store this time of year and I'm well wiped out. I had two spreads of photo's for yesterday but I was just too pooped to participate.

Thanks for the MP passenger info. We need the domes info etc with Al out of here for a few days (daze).


nick, russell, P Thanks for the photo's liked em [tup] Tom nice spread of heralds as well the colour brightened up the weekend !


CM3 I'm glad that I'm not the only one in a deep freeze weatherwise. we haven't had much snow here ( almost none really ) but it's colder than a witches tit as my dear old gran would say.

Tell us more about them thar great floods of '27[tup][:D]

Also those new add pics of the red subways will more than likley get mine and Ted's creative juices flowing. Too cold otherwise [:O]


Mike Some nice timely info on NE as per always thank-you. You do seem to be following the flow arouind here quite well, we are kinfd of like a nice old comfy flannel shirt around here. Flatbed scanners are fairly cheap, and easy to add to your computer. The one I use came with all it's info on a disk i just plugeed it in and popped in it's disk and in five minutes itn was up and running. ( KISS ) nice and simple for us who are technologically challenged. Slide scanners are nice but they are very pricey.


P So you are a long haul guy. I would imagine that if I were to ever get into the feild that that's where I would want to be as well. I like having some variety in the workplace as well. I don't think that I woukld want to be tied down to the same yard job 24/7 myself. Nice photo's as well [tup]


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Posted by coalminer3 on Monday, December 5, 2005 1:27 PM
Good Afternoon All: Coffee, please, round for the house, and $ for the jukebox. I think we'll punch up "The Girls All Get Prettier at Closing Time" for Nick and all those in recovery from the weekend. Weather here today is "frog" freezing fog with a fair amount of snow just to our east.

All kinds of interesting posts over the past few days. I especially appreciated the information on the 20th Century Limited, the photos, and heralds, too. The new issue of Trains has a nice little story on the 20th Century running in sections with a picture of Hickory Creek and also of an NYC dining car.

The 1927 floods in New England deserve a book. I have a 7 vol. set of CV material in my collection and one of the volumes has a lot of coverage of the 1927 floods. They also took a whack out of the Boston and Maine as well. I recall some of the "old heads" telling stories about that.

As for slides, we won't even go there, except to say that there are a lot of them at the house. The other night I was looking for something else and spent a happy couple of hours projecting large color images of the Western Maryland. My my, those black and gold Alcos were pretty.

If we are still taking entries for the contest, here's mine: December 18; I believe it will be our 'steamed proprietor who will be the "page turner."

BTW, there's an ad for subway cars in the new issue of MR; nice red ones.

Since it's so !@#$ nasty out today, our thoughts necessarily turn toward trains toward warmer climes. Here's something for you from the Official Guide pages for the the NC&StL

Florida Service -
The All Pullman "Dixie Limited"
The De-Luxe Smart "Dixie Flyer"
Between Chicago-St. Louis-Florida

Dixie Limited - All Pullman No Extra Fare Train
Dixie Flyer - Luxurious De Luxe

Now for something from Cunard - Havana Service (also in the Official Guide)

Turn the spotlight on yourself...

Admit it now...no pep, no spontaneous mirth...sneezing along between colds and fevers. Is that being smart? Pack yourself off for 9, 16, 0r 20 days in Havana...where thermometers hover arounda delightful summer temperature.

Colds...neuritis...sciatica,,,all their unfriendly relations disappear...you discover a new reason for living. The sparkle and vivacity that is Havana seeps thorugh your tired personality and you are reborn...to jopyous, carefree days,,,soft, sweet-scented nights...under the Southern stars,,,and all the beauty and romance that is Havana.

Sail any Wednesday or Saturday in either of Cunard's transatlantic sisters, the Caronia or Carmenia. Minimum round trip rates fiorst class only $175. All-expense toure of 9 to 20 days' duration from $193 up.

Turn the spotlight on yourself - then sail Cunard.

A Gala event S.S. Mauretania sails to Havana February 12 1930.
This popular transatlantic flyer will be trhe largest and fastest steamer to Havana. If you are planning a trip to Havana, this Mauretania sailing represents the very last word in speed and luxury...the high spot of the winter social season.

Have a good day.


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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, December 5, 2005 11:39 AM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #37

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . surround them with scenery! . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . sell EAGLE Dome Coaches . . . . .

Your Travel Patrons will enjoy thrilling Dome Coaches on these great trains!

*The TEXAS EAGLES overnight between St. Louis, Memphis and the principal cities of Texas. Through sleeping cars between Chicago, New York, Washington and Texas. Planetarium-dome coaches between St. Louis and Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin and San Antonio. Direct connections at Laredo with new streamlined AZTEC EAGLE to Mexico City.

*The COLORADO EAGLE between St. Louis, Kansas City, Wichita and Colorado. Planetarium-dome coaches between St. Louis and Denver.

*The MISSOURI RIVER EAGLE between St. Louis and Kansas City, St. Joseph, Lincoln, Omaha. Planetarium-dome coaches between St. Louis and Omaha.

. . . . . . . . . . R. J. McDermott . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . General Passenger Traffic Mgr. . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . 1601 Missouri Pacific Bldg. . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . St. Louis 3, Mo. . . . . . . . . . .

MISSOURI PACIFIC LINES Route of the Eagles


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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Posted by red p on Monday, December 5, 2005 11:18 AM
wanswheel - yes that was done with a scanner. I do have a sizable photo collection, a PC document collection.
(one of my projects is putting my form 19s into a binder to preserve them. I was givin a stack about an inch and a half thick. it is all of the form 19s that came out of Mike Tower in Ft. Wayne. For the month of Feb. 1972.)
I also have a collection of slides that continues to grow as I buy them off ebay. Cant post those though because I dont have a slide scanner. I did look into buying one but they are not cheap. I will get one someday though and when I do I will have a lot of color photos to post.
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Posted by wanswheel on Monday, December 5, 2005 11:01 AM
Good morning Tom and everyone. Just here for the pastry. Thank you Mr. Baker for working in the middle of the night to make sure those sweet ladies who work the counter have a fresh assortment to arrange so enticingly on the cart. I'll take the prune danish before anyone else does (how you be today Ted?) I need it for writer's block.P that first photo of PL9046 looks like a print of a snapshot with the white frame intact. How did you do that, with a scanner? I wondered about the process when you posted that letter from PC Detroit office. I have "mortar & brick" photos from years ago that would be great to post on Sunday but not the wherewithal for digital. Russell have you put on a pound since your days on the Chiefs? Just kidding. Much lighter than that Atchison loco with the headlight on. Or is theTopeka. I can't keep track of all the abreviations , acronyms and intials, around here. We need a glossary. I mean I need a glossary. It took me a week to figure out that ALCO had nothing to do with aluminum foil.

"The legendary Santa Fe trail from Independence, Missouri to the City of the Holy Faith of St. Francis crossed the length of the Kansas territory, and while it made few traders rich, it held a romantic lure far more significant than its meager traffic warranted. Founded in 1598...Santa Fe became the governmental and economic center for a vast territory...isolated from the rest of New Spain." (from "History of the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway" by Keith Bryant.)
I'm partial to the Santa Fe too and not because I was ever on it. Or to St. Louis either. The station there had gorgeous flood lit fountains out front in the old postcards. St. Louis might have become the hub, no? After all it was a long-established shipping city right there on the river way before Chicago got big.
Nick I'm not up on Europe except it's got the Matterhorn. I read somewhere that the width of track guage, if that's the terminology, was derived from a width of carriages determined in Roman times. Don't quote me on that or believe as I do everything on the Internet. But surely though, European rail history differs from North American rail history most significantly in the raisson detre department. We needed the rails to unify the land between two oceans, whereas the Appian Way etc did all that over there eons ago.
Speaking of golden spikes, the Rutland RR got a 20 year jump on the big ceremony idea.
On December 18, 1849 "trains from Burlington and Boston met on the top of Mount Holly, where the last spike was driven. Salt water from Boston Harbor was mingled with a sample of fresh water from Lake Champlain, and thus the new road was christened."
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Posted by red p on Monday, December 5, 2005 9:50 AM
Morning Tom Coffee and a bagel please, well vacation is over time to go back to work.
P

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, December 5, 2005 7:06 AM
This feature, called the INDEX, is now separate from the daily SUMMARY and will continue to be “Mondays only.”


A helplful hint:

Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).


Fallen Flags (passenger ops)

106/150 SP ……… 106/150 MP …….. 108/155/170 WP …. 109 Frisco
112 CNR ………… 112/182 Heralds . . 114 ACL .………….. 115 SAL
116 D&RGW ……. 118/181 RI . . . . . . 119 D&H ..…………. 120/144 PRR
122/144 NYC …… 124 UP …………… 125 AT&SF .………. 127 B&O
128 CM&StP ……. 129 CB&Q ………. 130 Soo Line ……… 133 C&NW
134 SP&S ……….. 136 GN ………….. 139 B&M ………….. 140 NH
141 MEC .……….. 142 BAR ………… 145 NP .……………. 146 L&N
147 WRR .……….. 148 C&O ……….. 148 KCS .………….. 151 N&W
152 Erie …………. 152 IC ..………….. 154 NPR .….………. 155 SR
156 CGW ……….. 157 RDG ………… 158 MON ....………. 159 IT
162 LV ………….. 163 GM&O ..…….. 164 Extra


Passenger Train Nostalgia and just plain Nostalgia!

110/181 …. MKT Combined Fallen Flag and Ads
112 ……… CNR Ad - Super Continental Time Table
113/144 …. #1 ”Start ups” 1800s & early 1900s
117/144 …. #2 Ad - Vista-Dome sleeper obs-lounge
121/174 …. #3 Ad - CP Hotels & Lodges
124 ………. A tale of Classic Trains BC Rail RDC trip
127 ………. B&O Ad - Strata-Dome
127 ………. B&O Ad – Diesel Electric Trains
129/174 …. #4 Ad - CN Hotels, Ltd.
130 ………. Great Britain #1 Poster - East Coast Route
133 ………. #5 Poster - CP 1886
133 ………. #6 Poster - CP 1950s
134 ………. #7 Poster - Washington & Old Dominion Railway
134 ………. Personal RR journey CPR’s “The Canadian”
135 ………. Great Britain #2 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. Great Britain #3 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. #8 Ad – Great Northern
139 ………. #9 Ads – Great Northern
140 ………. #10 Ad – Union Pacific
141 ………. Nostalgia 1956 Hotel Ads
142 ………. Nostalgia Fairbanks-Morse motive power Ad
143 ………. #11 Ad - PRR – The Jeffersonian
145 ………. #12 Ad – NP
146 ………. #13 Ad – L&N
146 ………. Great Britain #4 Poster - Silver Jubilee
147 ………. #14 Ad – Budd & Wabash
148 ………. #15 Ad – C&O
149 ………. HERTZ Ad - 1956
151 ………. #16 Ad – Budd RDC (1950)
153 ………. #17 Ad – Budd RDC (1950)
153 ………. North American Steam Loco Wheel Arrangements
154 ………. #18 Ad – Budd RDC (1953)
155 ………. #19 Ad – Budd RDC (1954)
156 ………. #20 Ad – SP, Golden State (1951)
157 ………. #21 Ad – SP, Sunset limited (1951
158 ………. #22 Ad – SP, City of San Francisco (1951)
159 ………. #23 Ad – AT&SF (1950)
161 ………. 9 WWII Ads ENCORE! of Vets/Remembrance Day Commemoration
162 ………. #24 Ad – AT&SF (1951)
163 ………. #25 Ad – AT&SF (1952)
164 ………. #26 Ad – Olympian Hiawatha
166 ………. AVIS Ad – 1956
167 ………. Pocket List of RR Officials Ad – 1956
169 ………. #27 Ad – NYC Aerotrain (1956)
170 ………. #28 Ad – NYC Xplorer (1956)
171 ………. #29 Ad – CP (1950)
172 ………. #30 Ad – CP (1950)
173 ………. #31 Ad – Pullman (1950)
176 ………. #32 Ad – Pullman (1950)
177 ………. #33 Ad – Soo Line – Winnipegger (1956)
178 ………. #34 Ad – Burlington Route (1949)
180 ………. #35 Ad – Soo Line – Mountaineer (1956)
181 ………. #36 Ad – Soo Line – The Laker (1956)


trolleyboy ROB’s Barn

Classic Juice

116/161 …. Classic Juice #1 (The London & Port Stanley L&PS)
123 ………. Classic Juice #2 (The Niagara St. Chatharines Toronto Railway NS&T)
131/155 …. Classic Juice #3 (The Montreal & Southern Counties Railway –MS&C)
134/181 …. Classic Juice #4 (The Brantford and Hamilton B&H)
142 ………. Classic Juice #5 (The Berlin & Water Street Railway - B&WSR)
146 ………. Classic Juice #6 (The Nearside Car)
148 ………. Classic Juice #7 (The Peter Witt Story)
157 ………. Classic Juice #8 (The PCC)
140 ………. Classic Juice #9 (The Nipissing Central)
162 ………. Classic Juice #10 (The Safety Car)
163 ………. Classic Juice #11 (Electricity and the big roads in Canada Part 1 CNR)
180 ………. Classic Juice #12 (The Toronto Civic Railways)
…………… Classic Juice #13 (Rolling Stock of the TCR)

Classic CNR Steam

159 ….. Classic CNR Steam #1 (The Huntsville Subdivision)
163 ….. Classic CNR Steam #2 (The Alliston Subdivision Trains)
165 ….. Classic CNR Steam #3 (Passenger & Freight trains on the Strathroy Subdivision)
170 ….. Classic CNR Steam #4 (Passenger & Mixed trains to Niagara Falls)
........... Classic CNR Steam #5 (Passenger trains on the Brampton & Thorndale
Subdivisions)
176 ….. Classic CNR Steam #6 (The Roustabout)


passengerfan Al’s Streamliner Corner

166 ….. Rocky Mountain Rocket of the CRI&P (Rock Island)
166 ….. Arizona Limited of the CRI&P and SP.
167 ….. Southern Belles of the KCS.
169 ….. #1 Gulf Coast Rebel
.………. #2 Choctaw Rocket
.………. #3 Miss Lou
.………. #4 Illini
170 ….. #5 City of Las Vegas
.………. #6 Land O’Corn
.………. #7 Prospectors
171 ….. #8 Twin Star Rocket
.………. #9 Dixie Flagler
172 … #10 City of Miami
……… #11 South Wind
173 …. #12 Electroliners
……… #13 Streamliners
174 …. #14 Southerners
175 …. #15 Congressional
……… #l6 Senator
177 …. #17 Gopher & Badger
178 …. #18 Advance Denver Zephyrs
179 …. #19 Commodore Vanderbilt
180 …. #20 City of Memphis
181 …. #21 20th Century Limited


barndad Doug’s Roundhouse

168 ….. The Making of a Signalman, Part I
……….. The Making of a Signalman, Part II
……….. The Making of a Signalman, Part III
171 ….. Through Thick & Thin, Part I
……….. Through Thick & Thin, Part II
……….. Through Thick & Thin, Part III
172 ….. Through Thick & Thin, Part IV
174 ….. Walking the Track, Part I
175 ….. Walking the Track, Part II
175 ….. Walking the Track, Part III
178 ….. Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part I
………. Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part II


NOTE: Please try to refrain from Posting on Sundays – that’s MY DAY OFF and these Index compilations take time to format! [swg] Plus it detracts from the idea of Sunday Photo Posting Day! Thank you! [tup]


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, December 5, 2005 5:49 AM
MONDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

G’day! Rather quiet weekend, but THANX go out to those who stopped by! [tup] The coffee’s freshly brewed, The Mentor Village Bakery pastry case is full and our <light> breakfasts are ready for orderin’ … so, whaddilyahave [?]


Daily Wisdom:

Marry a woman with brains enough for two and you’ll come out even.


Info for the Day:

(1) CONTEST – CONTEST – CONTEST

It’s time again to play the guessing game! What date (time optional) will ”Our” Place reach the next plateau – page 200 [?]

PRIZE [?] Free food ‘n drink for any of the following days: Thursday (Fish ‘n Chips Nite) – Friday (Pizza and Steak ‘ Fries Nite) – Saturday (Steak, etc.)

BONUS question: WHO will be the one to “turn the page” [?]

PRIZE [?] Reservations for two in the Penthouse Suite for any weekend night of your choice!

RULES: No ties gentlemen. The FIRST one who Posts a guess that hits the mark, wins! It’s that simple.

Participants . . . . . . Date chosen . . . . . . . . (Bonus) Who will put us over the top [?]

pwolfe Pete . . . . . . . Dec 20th . . . . . . . . . . . . . .siberianmo Tom
trolleyboy Rob . . . . . Dec 18th (12:05 PM) . . . . . siberianmo Tom


(2) MARK YOUR CALENDAR!

Monday, December 12th represents the 8th Month Anniversary of ”Our” Place! An appropriate way to celebrate our “founding day” is to Post information relating to travel by rail during the Christmas holiday season!

With ample time to prepare, I would expect we will all find something suitable for this event. An advertisement, an article, a personal account – anything at all that will bring to light a trip or two by rail during the Christmas season.

That’s it! Nothing more to do. No “party” per se – it’s not a birthday celebration – just an opportunity for us all to recognize this achievement we’ve all contributed to. [tup]


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 06:48:22 (182) Sunday’s Info & Summary

(2) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 08:28:31 (182) 2 Pix, etc.

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 09:45:15 (182) RR Heralds

(4) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 09:52:15 (182)

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 11:18:33 (182) reply to P

(6) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 12:05:24 (182)

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 12:49:24 (182) 4 Pix from Nick’s album

(8) wanswheel Mike Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 16:39:23 (182)

(9) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 18:20:24 (182) Inclusive Post, Pix descrips

(10)ftwNSengineer P Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 18:33:01 (182)

(11) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 21:56:26 (182) 1 Pix, etc.

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Trainnut484 on Sunday, December 4, 2005 9:56 PM
Good evening Tom and rest-o-th-gang. Just got back from my wife's family Christmas get-together. A bit early, but it's a big family, and kinda hard to get them all together in the same place at the same time. Lot's of great food and great fun. Santa Claus met with the little rug rats nice boys and girls. I'm sure his knees and legs are sore from all the kids sitting on his lap telling him what they want for Christmas.

Since we're closed today, I'm just quietly slipping this thru da slot.

Here's my contribution for Sunday Photo Day. Me standing next to exATSF 5011 at the St. Louis, MO Transportation museum a couple of years ago. Yes, the headlight and marker/class lights are on. The bell can be rung from the cab.


Take care

Russell
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Posted by red p on Sunday, December 4, 2005 6:33 PM
Nick- Well its like this, railroading is not for everybody.
The job is not hard, its the lifestyle thats hard for a lot of folks.
I happen to love working like this. of course we can mark off whenever we want to.
I dont like the idea of being stuck indoors or having someone stand over my shoulder.
I also dont like the idea of working the same hours everday, going to work at exactly the same time everyday or even doing the samething over and over all day long.
Some people however prefer to work like that ,I dont!
For me everyday is different and thats the way I like it.
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Sunday, December 4, 2005 6:20 PM
Well good day to one & all,hope you are all making the most of the day of rest.
Just slipped in to throw some captions at the pix,for which many thanks [4:-)]TOM [tup]-an exemplary job,as ever.
O.K-couple of quick posts-
RED P-thanks for clarification-sounds like quite a dislocating lifestyle,never knowing where or when-maybe thats the attraction.........Nice pix by the way-loads of `Feel`[tup]
MIKE-Glad you liked the pix,see notes below.
The Argentine Ranch is a front to launder money from our rug smuggling and couterfeit spam canning business`
P.S-I`ll go for the ledbelly version[swg]

Right then,picture captions:-
The first quartet are from Slovenia,The most N-W part of Yugoslavia. This is the station at Lake Bled,a winter sports resort an hours drive south of the Julian Alps & the Austrian Border.
The steamer is one of half a dozen retained for tourist trips & the D.M.U provides the regular stopping service.
The second batch are from the other side of the Iron Curtain-bottom left is the Great Western society museum at Didcot who have reproduced a section of Broad ( 7 ft ) and mixed gauge yard including a trans-shipment shed.
clockwise from here we have a Dublin-Rosslare Europort service arriving at Rosslare strand,Co Wexford (the junction for the line to Waterford & the west ) and two views of Enniscorthy,Co Wexford taken from both sides of a road bridge-the tunnel under the town one I treasure greatly
The remaining two groups are a complete change of mood-PETE-If you were a Railway Modeller reader prior to your relocation,these pix may ring some bells[swg]
The pix are of a 32mm/45mm dual guage empire called the Compton Down Railway owned by a gentleman named Peter Jones.
He has established this point-to-point live steam empire in the middle of a sleepy estate of sea-side bungalows,a dozen or so miles from me.
I had enjoyed his articles in R.M for a number of years and was pleasantly suprised to find that he lived in the district.-When he mentioned in an article that he held an annual open day I felt it was to good to miss and the first of several happy afternoons is shown here.
As to hard info about the trains,all I have is -The tender loco is an 0-6-2-poss. by Brandbright-The owner & myself spent a painfull 20 mins. removing the trailing truck which didn`t suit the curves.
The grubby tank with the balloon stack is a rebuilt Mamod pot-boiler and a much sweeter runner than she looks,if memory serves.
The little Peckett tank ( maker unknown)was on a maiden run and looked better than she performed,hence the light load.
The steam-tram was a little beauty although,for my money,the extended stack rather spoiled the line-note also the 7.25 inch test track bottom right ( the 3.5/5 inch dual gauge track is on the other side of the garden [^] ).
Right then,my work here is done-time to wrestle with the trackplanner software for an hour before bed,night chaps-sleep well,nick[C=:-)]
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Posted by wanswheel on Sunday, December 4, 2005 4:39 PM
Great photos Nick, of convincing facsimiles of Great Britain from your ranch in Argentina. ("Follow the beef," said Deep Throttle, who keeps a watchful eye on you guys in the Culinary Intelligence Agency.)

I'm glad you liked the audio clip, Tom, which I was inspired to put there after unsuccessfully search for a clip of Johnny Cash version of "The Rock Island Line." I did find Ledbelly, who wrote that song, and Lonnie Donnegan's follow-up to "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavor On The Bedpost Overnight."

Re: My edited previous post and deleted ref: I've just looked in the mirror and decided no-one has grounds to be jealous of my good looks!

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, December 4, 2005 12:49 PM
Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!! As advertised, we are accepting Fallen Flags and NOSTALGIA pieces as well as pix!

Here are 4 pix from Nick for this fine day:

click to enlarge

#1


#2


#3


#4


Great pix, Nick! You’ll have to fill us in regarding what, when and where.

Go to http://photobucket.com/albums/b222/siberianmo/Nicks%20pix/ to see the rest of Nick’s Pix!

Enjoy. See y’all in the ‘morrow.!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by red p on Sunday, December 4, 2005 12:05 PM
I did that just for you tom [:)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, December 4, 2005 11:18 AM
P Nope! As I indicated somewhere earlier and on the lead in to the Post - just RR's I'm interested in! [swg] You're doing a good enough job of making sure we all see it, though! [;)]

Thanx for ONE of the two pix you Posted! <grin>

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by red p on Sunday, December 4, 2005 9:52 AM
Tom- You forgot the PC logo
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, December 4, 2005 9:45 AM
Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!! As previously advertised, we are acceping Fallen Flags and NOSTALGIA submissions along with pix.

Here are some RR heralds, many gone from the scene, as the Passenger RR's folded the tent. These are just some that I find interest ng and in no way should this list be viewed as all-inclusive.

Which two still operate regularly scheduled passenger trains [?] [swg]




Later (maybe)!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]



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Posted by red p on Sunday, December 4, 2005 8:28 AM
Nick - I dont have a regular run. Regular runs are locals and rostabouts.
Im a road engineer and we work in pool rotation. If my spot is 10 times out, then I will get the 10th. train to be called. And it doesnt matter what time of day it is. It could be during the day or the middle of the night.
P

I also want to submit my contribution for sunday picture day.


PC 9046 at Anderson,IN March 1972


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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, December 4, 2005 6:48 AM
SUNDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM Monday, all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

We are CLOSED on SUNDAY’s! It’s also Sunday Photo Posting Day! – so post ‘em if you got ‘em!

As always, for those wishing to drop off a Post, slip it through the slots on either set of front doors! Prompt replies not “guaranteed.” [swg]

Daily Wisdom:

Love your enemies, but keep your gun oiled.


Info for the Day:

My guess is that we are NOT going to have much of a Sunday Photo Posting Day! So, there will be a modification to the format – submissions of NOSTALGIA and Fallen Flags are encouraged. [tup] As always, we want to continue limiting the narratives to Monday thru Saturday ……

(1) CONTEST – CONTEST – CONTEST

It’s time again to play the guessing game! What date (time optional) will ”Our” Place reach the next plateau – page 200 [?]

PRIZE [?] Free food ‘n drink for any of the following days: Thursday (Fish ‘n Chips Nite) – Friday (Pizza and Steak ‘ Fries Nite) – Saturday (Steak, etc.)

BONUS question: WHO will be the one to “turn the page” [?]

PRIZE [?] Reservations for two in the Penthouse Suite for any weekend night of your choice!

RULES: No ties gentlemen. The FIRST one who Posts a guess that hits the mark, wins! It’s that simple.

Participants . . . . . . Date chosen . . . . . . . . (Bonus) Who will put us over the top [?]

pwolfe Pete . . . . . . . Dec 20th . . . . . . . . . . . . . .siberianmo Tom
trolleyboy Rob . . . . . Dec 18th (12:05 PM) . . . . . siberianmo Tom


(2) MARK YOUR CALENDAR!

Monday, December 12th represents the 8th Month Anniversary of ”Our” Place! An appropriate way to celebrate our “founding day” is to Post information relating to travel by rail during the Christmas holiday season!

With ample time to prepare, I would expect we will all find something suitable for this event. An advertisement, an article, a personal account – anything at all that will bring to light a trip or two by rail during the Christmas season.

That’s it! Nothing more to do. No “party” per se – it’s not a birthday celebration – just an opportunity for us all to recognize this achievement we’ve all contributed to. [tup]


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Dec 2005, 08:04:36 (181) Saturday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Dec 2005, 08:08:46 (181) ENCORE! Fallen Flag MoPAC

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 03 Dec 2005, 09:05:43 (181) Streamliner #21 – 20th Century Limited

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Dec 2005, 14:00:21 (181) ENCORE! Fallen Flag MKT

(5) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Dec 2005, 18:54:25 (181) ENCORE! Classic Juice #4 B&H

(6) wanswheel Mike Posted: 03 Dec 2005, 20:08:38 (181) Inclusive Post, etc.

(7) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 03 Dec 2005, 20:14:47 (181) Nitecap

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Dec 2005, 22:20:57 (182) Acknowledgments, etc.

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 3, 2005 10:20 PM
Evenin’ Gents!

[wow] Has this ever been a slow day! Can’t recall a more lack luster day at the Feast or Famine Bar ‘n Grill! Oh well ……. Win some, lose some, and some are rained out! [swg]

Actually, this is just “one of those” weekends. coalminer3 CM3 ‘n West Coast S Dave don’t Post on weekends. earlydiesels Dan is doing his “Conductor thing,”at the Midland barndad Doug is away on a rail trip and Theodorebear Ted is on the Binnacle List. So right there we have 5 guys ‘accounted’ for. Happens. By the by – hope you are recovering from whatever it is that gotcha down, Ted [tup]


Some acknowledgments are in order from today, and maybe even yesterday ….

Thanks for the Streamliner piece, passengerfan Al. Good one! [tup][tup][tup] Those 20th Century Limited consists sure looked mighty fine when powered by the “lightning bolts.” [yeah]

There’s an Email in your “in box.” We'll surely miss you and those rounds of yours .. hurry back! [tup]

trolleyboy Rob Appreciate your participation in our ENCORE! day. If nothing else, it gives the guys a chance to read something they may not have seen before. Which ‘round isn’t too surprising as the “evidence” mounts that there are many pieces of info not being picked up on. Ain’t hard to spot, is it [?] We had this occur some months ago and thought we had gotten over it. Apparently not so. The Soo Line isn’t really a favorite of mine, just happened to come up that way in the “order” of the NOSTALGIA listings that I have. Probably should have separated them out … Appreciate your taking the time to check ‘em out! [tup]

That was a nice touch with the Orange Blossom Special audio piece you provided, wanswheel Mike. For a guy who just a short time ago didn’t seem to know the “on” button from the “off,” you’ve come a long way! [swg] By the by, to communicate with any of the members on the Forums, click on their “cyber name” – then go to “contact info” – click on email – that will bring up a screen for you to send your message.

Those heralds of mine are simply of the roads that I like. When they have been Posted, that’s part of the lead-in. Something like this, “These are not all inclusive heralds and are simply reflective of the RR’s I like.” That’s the skinny! [swg]

Don’t have a clue what you are referring to with regard to who is or isn’t “good looking.” When it comes to that subject – I’ll stick to the broads gals, thank you very much! [}:)][:-,]

My guess is that not too many people know that “Liberty Island,” is really Bedloes Island sitting in New York Harbor. Used to pass it regularly while commuting aboard the Staten Island Ferry. Was also stationed on Governors Island directly across from Statue of Liberty – so all of that brings back some memories. [tup]

Nick You are the Master for sure! Party hardy, Mate and hoist a tankard or two for those who wish you well. For the rest, well ya know where they can go! [}:)][:-,]

Regarding the S Capades tunnel: Yes, there is a “lift out” section of the highway above it – just in case. On the Can-Am, there’s a “pull out” section of scenery for the long tunnel beneath the “Mountain Village.” Thought you “had” me, eh [?][;)]

I received your pix – but I’m really not sure whether I’ll Post ‘em tomorrow. May just take the day off entirely. That we’ll all know when the sun rises …..

Hope that track planning software “works,” for I’d like to give it a try. Thanx for keepin’ me in mind! [tup]


Okay, Gents! Leon the Night Man has the bar! Boris Ring the bell – a round on me! [tup]


Nite! [zzz]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]



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(4) It’s a long wait until your next visit and perhaps by then some pertinent info directed your way will be missed.
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Saturday, December 3, 2005 8:14 PM
Well good evening my lambkins,are we all in good fettle ?-Just returned from another lively evening in Dodge City,happily,and against the run of play,no violent incidents this evening-we even got invited back to play on boxing day (which gives me a very neat get-out clause for working the rugby club bar that day,the busiest day of the year [^] ).
Can`t understand the enthusiasm myself,we were so loud tonight that all I can hear is high-pitched ringing in the ears,and we were behind the big speakers-are these people completely mad...?
Anyway darlin`-enough about me-tell me all about you-how come I`ve never seen you here before--Oi you lot-bu**er off-I`m talking to a lady here,Sorry darlin` they have no manners,please forgive them-can I tempt you to a cocktail or shall we go and grab some fresh air-Splendid idea,O.K. guys,see you all for sunday pix,be good now[swg],sleep well,nick [C=:-)]
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Posted by wanswheel on Saturday, December 3, 2005 8:08 PM
Hi Tom and gang.

I hope you're feeling much better today Ted

Check out Al's departure on the Century. And "Roll out the Red Carpet" on his return. That was a great train. I remember a famous photograph and painting of the two, the Century and the Broadway, peeling out of Chicago on parallel tracks. 40 and more years ago I walked the platform at Grand Central and ate it up, gawked, looked in the windows. It looked so luxurious inside. The chairs in the observation car just looked so comfortable. It made me just want to get on it and go. But nope. The Century always stays perfect in my imagination. It's image never declined, or if it briefly did, that part is forgotten. The merciful coup de grace was 38 years ago yesterday, Dec. 2, 1967, two months before the merger. Bedloe's Island car named for:
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I was in Vietnam then. The merger of the New York Central System and the Pennsylvania Railroad on February 1, 1968 nearly escaped my notice until I came home to a different world. I read in the Stars and Stripes newspaper about Robert F. Kennedy's funeral train, down the old Pennsy tracks on the new Penn Central.
It didn't go well. Huge crowds, a couple people were killed by the train. Awful year.

Another bad year was 1927, not for me but for my grandfather Joe and my great-uncles Dan and Marshall, of the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers.
"In the late autumn...all Vermont was visited by the most devestating floods within its history. For three November days and nights it rained, steadily and heavily. The little streams as well as the rivers of the state became raging torrents. Trees, houses, barns, ancient covered bridges, reduced to debris, went swirling down the valleys of the Green Mountain State. Destruction reigned everywhere. The blow did not spare Central Vermont. The road had had an extremely prosperous ten months; it was known that for the first time in many years it would yield a net income, after all charges had been paid. Yet in the passing of but forty-eight hours that dream was shattered. The Central Vermont was all but completely wiped out most of the way from Essex Junction to White River Junction.
Take, for instance, the eighteen mile sector between Williston and Waterbury: For fully three-quarters of that distance the railroad had practically disappeared; embankments washed out, and for miles at a time, the track completely overturned. In the station at Waterbury, the muddy waters at one time reached a point eight and one-half feet above the floor of the waiting room. At Slip Hill, three miles below Waterbury, two thousand feet of track and embankment were washed into the Winooski. A steel bridge at North Duxbury went out, with every one of its five stout spans....
A railroad never gives up. Hardly had the hastily rigged telegraph lines begun to function once again, before relief trains were on their way to the scene of the disaster from every direction, penetrating just as far as track might bear them. They carried steel, timber, ties, ballast men and machines, Before the waters had really receded, over three thousand men were at work, restoring the main line of the Central Vermont. Amongst them was [president of CV] Edward C. Smith himself, watching, suggesting, even taking a hand with the other workers; swiftly and surely forming a railroad once again."
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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, December 3, 2005 6:54 PM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !
A Classic juice Encore on this Slow saturday


QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy


Hello again. Here is the first installment of the lesser known radial lines. classic juice #4

The Brantford and Hamilton B&H



The B&H ws one of the smallar interurban's or radial lines built in Ontario. As the name would suggest they conected the city of Hamilton to the City of Brantford approx a 30 mile run.It was first proposed in 1896 as the Hamilton Chedoke& ancaster Railway. The federal govt guarranteed a $15,000 subsidy once the railway made it to Ancaster.


Anyone familiar with this part of Southern Ontario will know that this line would fight up grade and cross the top of the Niagara escarpment. despite the promissed fed funds no work was started. In 1900 the line came under the control of the Haines bros of New york who were putting together radial lines conecting Niagara- Hamilton-Brantford.They changed the name to the Hamilton Ancaster and Brantford and by early 1904 they had aquired most of the ROW.They ran into problems with money on their american lines in NY state and lost their interest in the Hamilton line and the Niagara St Catharines and Toronto which they owned at the time.( This is why the NS&T never reached toronto by rail )They sold their interest to the Von Echa company in 1904 and by 1906 they started to build the line now known as the Hamilton and Brantford.


Grading began in july of '06and the line was built to high standards ala the L&PS.A short piece of street track from the Hamilton terminal station followed a ledge cut into the face of the escarpment, and ran on a long continuous 21/2% grade up to Ancaster 600kw substations were built for traction power at Ancaster langford,and Murray street in Brantford. Each building had two 300kw gens with room to add one more for future expansion. Power was brought in from the Decew falls hydro plant.The line was opened to ancaster ion Dec 21 1907,and to Brantford in may of 1908. The initial runs to Brantford ended until a crossing of the Grand trunk line in the city was constructed. Other than two short street lines into Brantfords market street Union station and the short stretch in Hamilton outside of terminal station the B&H ran on entirly private ROW.


Total cost of the line was estimated at $800,000.Between 1911 and 16 they looked at expanding to Galt and Preston but this line extension was never built. Instead interline tickets were sold for conections with the Lake Erie and Northern Radial and the Grand River Railway. They also sold tickets in conjunction with the Hamilton steamboat company so passengers could connect to Toronto. The interchaange with the LE&N ws interesting in that the LE&N ran on 1500v. Therfore the market street stations power could be switched over from 600 to 1500 to accomadate both lines cars. This resulted in a 35 min layover for B&H cars which had to lower their poles while the LE&N was using the station.Light frieght and express mail was also carried but the B&H after the war fare increases were required to make up for revenue losses. In 1925 the B&H ws almalgamate dinto the Hamilton Radial railway so cars would run through from Burlington and Stoney creek.

This also brought busses into the picture. In 1930 Dominion power the overall owner sold their bus and rail lines so abandonement occured in 1932. To show the lines viability ( most people beleved the B&H could have run anothetr 15 or 20 years } Their first year 1908 they moved 247,200 passengers there was an upward trend until the peak in 1920 of 836,100 fares. after which the numbers dropped in half on average.In 1929 thought with the bus lines fares went back up to just over 800,000.,but in 1930 that dropped to 228,300.


The line ran with a dozen cars built by kulhman ( brill ) these were wooden monitor roofed railway style cars dt de The designed speed was 50mph Non-stop test runs covered the thirty mile line in 37 minutes! not bad for 1908! 6 express motors built by ottawa 3 cars and preston 3 cars these rounded out the fleet. In the last 4 years of operation most of the Dominion powers cars could be seen on the B&H.

Of a non important note my house is about 500 yards from the old Grand river barge canal in Brantford. The canal bank carried the private ROW of the B&H!
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 3, 2005 2:00 PM
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . First appeared on page 110 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Fallen Flag from The Official Guide of the Railways – Aug 1956:
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Missouri – Kansas – Texas Railroad (MKT – KATY Lines) [img]

On hand reference material does not provide a detailed equipment listing, however there are some items of interest:

Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Passenger trains of note: Katy Flyer – The Bluebonnet – Texas Special

Slogans: The KATY Railroad – Natural Route Southwest.

….. Only ONE COUPON is required for passage between any two points on MISSOURI – KANSAS – TEXAS LINES.

….. “Texas Special Route – Frisco – M-K-T Lines” from St. Louis to Dallas, Fort Worth, Wichita Falls, Waco, Temple, Austin, San Antonio, Houston and Intermediate points.

….. Specify Katy’s New Fast Service – 17 hours – Kansas City to Dallas - Fort Worth. Second Morning Delivery from Chicago Via C.B.&Q. – Kansas City – M.K.T.

Advertisements: Route ‘em Katy Southwest

….. On The Famous Streamlined Texas Special

Luxury sleeping car and coach accommodations, nationally famous diner meals please every taste, every budget. Friendly, attentive service in an atmosphere of restful comfort. Through sleeping cars to and from Chicago, New York, Washington and the Metropolitan East, via the St. Louis gateway.

Daily between St. Louis and San Antonio.

….. On The De Lux Texas Bluebonnet

Bedroom and Section accommodations available between Kansas City, Forth Worth, Dallas and San Antonio. Roomettes between Kansas City and Dallas; Diner-lounge car … traditionally superb Bluebonnet diner meals. Dallas and Fort Worth passengers particularly appreciate the “just right” overnight Bluebonnet schedule. You retire at your usual bedtime, arrive refreshed and rested

Short line between Kansas City and the principal cities of Texas (daily).

Famous Meals a feature of Katy Dining Car Service!

Breakfast .75 to $1.75

Luncheon $1.20 to $2.50

Dinner $1.20 to $5.50

Know Your Pullmans

All regularly assigned sleeping cars on Katy-Lines are numbered. Car 16, for example is invariably a 14 Roomette, 4 bedroom cars, operating on the Texas Special between St. Louis and Dallas. Reservations are made accordingly.

On these pages sleeping car numbers are featured for your guidance. It is a good idea to check your reservations to be sure your space has been properly assigned.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, December 3, 2005 9:05 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Just time for a coffee and a diet pastry from the Mentor Bakery.

Just been called out of town will not be back until thursday so will leave with this special Streamliner Corner.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #21

TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED New York Central trains 25-26 New York - Chicago overnight 970 miles 16 hours. All Pullman All Room deluxe streamliners inaugurated June 15, 1938.

On June 15, 1938 the most famous train in America at the time the all Pullman all room extra fare pride of the New York Central System TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED began streamlined service.

The all new all room Pullman Standard built trains numbered four so that if needed an extra section could be operated daily if needed.

Not only did the NYC receive 62 new lightweight streamlined cars for the new TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED but also ten streamlined J3 4-6-4 Hudson Locomotives and Tenders for assignment pulling the new TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED numbered 5445 - 5454.

The TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED was the world's first lightweight streamlined all room sleeping car trains to enter service. The rival PRR BROADWAY LIMITED inaugurated all room Pullman service on the same date but that trains consists had a couple of modernized heavyweight cars in each consist.

The TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITEDS streamlined Hudson Locomotives were operated between Chicago and Harmon pulling fourteen car consists sometimes extended to sixteen cars. It was not at all unusual for two sections of fourteen cars each to be operated in each direction on ten minute headway on the fast sixteen hour schedule assigned to the TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED.

The TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED was one of only four streamlined trains in the United States to ever carry Master rooms the most luxurious Pullman accommodations of all complete with bathroom annex with shower. The other three streamlined trains to
operate with Master rooms were the PRR BROADWAY LIMITED, PRR LIBERTY LIMITED and Southern CRESCENT.

The NYC selected famed industrial designer Henry Dreyfuss to to design the new paint scheme and interiors of the feature cars, not to mention the magnificent streamlining of the Hudson Locomotives. The completed train sets were among the most tastefully designed and decorated ever constructed. The paint scheme of the new TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED was light gray overall with a dark blue window band with two white stripes centewred in this window band and a small white separation stripe between the blue and gray at both top and bottom of the window band. Unfortunately management never repeated the paint scheme on any other equipment and even felt it was a bit gaudy for a train of the TWEENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED prestige.

CONSIST ONE DEPARTING CHICAGO June 15, 1938

5450 Streamlined ALCo J3a 4-6-4 Hudson Locomotive & Tender

5017 Baggage 60'Railway Post Office Car

CENTURY CLUB 18-Crew Dormitory Barber Shop Secretary Room Buffet 25-Seat Lounge Observation.

IMPERIAL CANYON 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE DAWN 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CITY OF DAYTON 17-Roomette Sleeping Car

ONANDAGA COUNTY 13-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL FALLS 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

680 38-Seat Dining Car

IMPERIAL PALACE 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE RIPPLE 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CITY OF BOSTON 17-Roomette Sleeping Car

DUCHESS COUNTY 13-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE GLEN 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

BEDLOES ISLAND 1-Double Bedroom 1-Master Room Buffet 22-Seat Lounge 10-Seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST TWO DEPARTING CHICAGO JUNE 15, 1938

5448 Streamlined ALCO J3-a 4-6-4 Hudson Locomotive & Tender

5018 Baggage 60' Railway Post Office Car

CENTURY INN 18-Crew Dormitory Barber Shop Secretary Room Buffet 25-Seat Lounge Car

IMPERIAL CASTLE 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE GLORY 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CITY OF DETROIT 17-Roomette Sleeping Car

COOK COUNTY 13-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL FOREST 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

681 38-Seat Dining Car

IMPERIAL GARDEN 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE VALLEY 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS 17-Roomette Sleeping Car

CUYAHOGA COUNTY 13-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE GLADE 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

MANHATTAN ISLAND 1-Double Bedroom 1-Master Room Buffet 22-SEat Lounge 10-Seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST THREE DEPARTING HARMON JUNE 15, 1938

5449 Streamlined ALCO J3-a 4-6-4 Hudson Locomotive & Tender

5019 Baggage 60' Railway Post Office Car

CENTURY LOUNGE 18-Crew Dormitory Barber Shop Secretary Room Buffet 25-SEat Lounge Car

IMPERIAL COURT 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE VIEW 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CITY OF ALBANY 17-Roomette Sleeping Car

MONROE COUNTY 13-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL MANSION 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

682 38-Seat Dining Car

IMPERIAL ARCH 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE VALE 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CITY OF ROCHESTER 17-Roomette Sleeping Car

LUCAS COUNTY 13-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE ROCKS 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

PELEE ISLAND 1-Double Bedroom 1-Master Room Buffet 22-SEat Lounge 10-Seat Lounge Obsrvation

CONSIST FOUR DEPARTING HARMON JUNE 15, 1938

5447 Streamlined J3-a 4-6-4 Hudson Locomotive & Tender

5020 Baggage 60'Railway Post Office Car

CENTURY TAVERN 18-Crew Dormitory Barber Shop Secretary Room Buffet 25-Seat Lounge Car

IMPERIAL CHATEAU 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE WOODS 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CITY OF CHICAGO 17-Roomette Sleeping Car

NIAGARA COUNTY 13-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL BAY 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

683 38-Seat Dining Car

IMPERIAL HOUSE 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE SPIRIT 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CITY OF BUFFALO 17-Roomette Sleeping Car

WESTCHESTER COUNTY 13-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE GROTTO 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

THOUSAND ISLANDS 1-Double Bedroom 1-Master Room Buffet 22-Seat Lounge 10-Seat Lounge Observation

TTFN AL Be back on Thursday

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 3, 2005 8:08 AM
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . First appeared on page 118 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific (The Rock Island)
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Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage in 1950: 7,579

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel – 539

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 26,690; Passenger cars – 646

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Omaha, NE
Omaha-Colorado Springs & Denver, CO
Davenport, IA-Tucumcari, NM
Bureau Junction-Peoria, IL
Minneapolis, MN-Kansas City, MO
Manly-Burlington, IA
Cedar Rapids (Vinton), IA-Sioux Falls, SD
Keokuk, IA-Bear Lake, SD
Tucumcari-Memphis, TN
Herington, KS-Houston, TX
Little Rock, AR-Eunice, LA
Kansas City-St. Louis

Passenger trains of note:

Choctaw Rocket (Amarillo, TX-Memphis)
Corn Belt Rocket (Chicago-Omaha)
Des Moines Rocket (Chicago-Des Moines, IA)
Golden State (Chicago-LA; joint ops w/SP)
The Imperial (Chicago-LA)
Kansas City Rocket (Minneapolis-Kansas City)
Peoria Rockets (Chicago-Peoria)
Texas Rocket (Ft. Worth-Houston; then Kansas City-Dallas)
Twin Star Rocket (Minneapolis-Houston)
Quad City Rocket (Chicago-Rock Island)
Rocky Mountain Rocket (Chicago-Colorado Springs & Denver)
Zephyr Rocket (Minneapolis-St. Louis; joint ops w/CB&Q)

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo

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