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[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. A couple of classics this a.m." "If the Phone Don't Ring, You'll Know It;s Me," and "How Can I Miss You If You Won't Go Away." Lovely day here - sunshine - hint of warmer temps (b4 the bottom falls out again later this week), and the crows are really moving early in the a.m. They roost in a stand of oak trees on the ridge just to the west of the house - the K9 Korps does aircraft spotter duty in the a.m., letting the whole neighborhood know when they take off. Gas is $2.25 here - 20 cent drop since last Friday - can't wait until somebody sneezes in Nigeria and it goes up again.

Enjoyed the "Our Lingo" material and the groaners that appeared after it; also thanks for more ATSF information. I'm looking forward to the SP entry next week.

I think (yeah, right!) that today is pike perspectives. All I know is that I have enough equipment purchased and stored to outfit a fairly good sized hobby shop. I guess that sort of goes with the territory - my father in law picks at me abt. it, but when I tell him, "You collect tractors," that usually quiets things down a little. The time period that I model stops around 1960 so the most recent power in the fleet is a handful of GP30s.

Anyway, I was looking through some OLD MRs the other day trying to remember why I saved them - then I came upon some writings by Frank Ellison and remembered why I kept the magazines. If you are chronologically challeneged, you'll remember Frank Ellison and his Delta Lines.

Ellison truly inspired me because he was one of the early proponents of what we now call "operation." IOW he tried to put a real railroad in his basement. Not only that, he was a fine writer who gave his readers the feeling of actually "being there." Not bad, if you can do it. What I liked abt. his writings was that he did not take himself too seriously; not a bad thing, either.

His road, of course, was the Delta Lines. Ellsion lived in New Orleans so the name made sense. It was an outside third-rail operation (O scale). Power was provided by monstrous sets of batteries that began life on some Illinois Central passenger cars.

Ellison's idea that the trains were part of a larger stage was way ahead of its time and he did his best to give the impression that the models were part of a larger, purposeful operation. Freight and passenger trains ran on schedules; local freights got out of the way of main line trains, etc. I tried to do the same thing on my own layout with varying degrees of success. There are pictures of the Delta Lines around, but I don't think anybody ever made a film of it - too bad, it would have been a fascinating glimpse into the past.

I'll be in and out for the next 5 days or so. I hope things will settle down and I'll be able to get back on some kind of regular posting schedule.

work safe

[siberianmo]

SOMETHING SPECIAL WILL BE POSTED CLOSE TO NOON TODAY –
WATCH FOR IT!


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tomand the rest of the early risers. Time for a coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER # 62

KANSAS CITYAN Train 11– CHICAGOAN Train 10 AT&SF April 17, 1938 Chicago – Wichita daily each direction trains 11-12 663 miles 11 hours 50 minutes
by Al

The Santa Fe introduced a pair of Day trains using lightweight streamlined cars from the Budd Company between Chicago and Wichita, Kansas beginning April 17, 1938. These two seven car lightweight streamlined trains operated the lengthy schedule in 12-3/4 hours between end points. Shortly after entering service the trains western terminal would be moved to Oklahoma City extending running times by an additional three hours. The westbound train was named KANSAS CITYAN and the eastbound train was the CHICAGOAN. The Santa Fe inaugural runs of the two lightweight streamliners were operated with EMC E1A units 8 and 9 but within a month the Santa Fe assigned 1 and 10 the numbers of the old Santa Fe Box Cab Diesel Passenger units 1A and 1B. After being rebuilt in Santa Fe Topeka Shops with elevated cab at one end only and a new bulldog nose added at that same end, they really resembled two E1A units that had been involved in a head on collision and the shops repainted the results in the Santa Fe War bonnet scheme. These became the regular power for the KANSAS CITYAN – CHICAGOAN for many years to come. The two trains were a major success for the Santa Fe for many years.

CONSIST ONE

8L EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3402 Baggage 30’Railway Post Office Car

3108 52-Revenue Seat Coach

3110 52-Revenue Seat Coach

3112 52-Revenue Seat Coach

1399 26-Revenue Seat Coach Newsstand Bar 28-Seat Tavern Lounge Car

1487 48-Seat Dining Car

3242 32-revenue Seat Parlor 8-Seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST TWO

9L EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3401 Baggage 30’Railway Post office Car

3107 52-Revenue Seat Coach

3109 52-Revenue Seat Coach

3111 52-Revenue Seat Coach

1398 26-Revenue Seat Coach Newsstand Bar 28-Seat Tavern Lounge Car

1486 48-Seat Dining Car

3241 32-Revenue Seat Parlor 8-Seat Lounge Observation

Western terminal extended to Oklahoma City December 10, 1939 and a new through car service established between Chicago and Tulsa. The TULSAN as it was called operated Tulsa-Kansas City providing through car service via the CHICAGOAN/KANSAS CITYAN to and from Chicago.

Additional new cars added to CHICAGOAN/KANSAS CITYAN in 1941.

In 1954 the CHICAGOAN/KANSAS CITYAN were assigned new full length Big Dome Lounge cars.

Beginning in 1958 the westbound KANSAS CITYAN was combined with the CHIEF between Chicago and Kansas City.

In 1968 the CHICAGOAN/ KANSAS CITYAN trains were discontinued.

TTFN AL

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and friends. I'll have a light breakfast, and here's a roll of quarters to feed the coal scuttle. "WOW" ...... is an understatment to sum-up yesterdays Santa Fe theme. Absolutely amazing material Tom, Al and CM3. Top-notch work gentelmen! I also need to recognise Al's Colorado Eagle streamliner, CM3's MTA, and Tom's Canadian Northern post from the day before. Really good stuff guys! [wow]

Here's the 2nd part of the "lingo" series .. my humble offering for the day:

Our Own Lingo by John A. Miller from Oct. 1943 Railroad Magazine

Last day of Maryville-Yuba streetcar service in California. Car No. 70 of the Sacramento Northern is crossing Sutter bridge.


We don’t know from the superintendent’s remarks what caused the damage to the car. He said the life guard was broken on the blind side. That tells us something about the equipment, anyway. It probably was a single-end box car with entrance and exit doors on one side only. In juice lingo a box car is a closed passenger car, quite different from a steam railroad boxcar employed for carrying freight.

Evidently it had a life-saving device of the type where a vertical apron under the front of the platform is mechanically connected to a scoop extending crosswise ahead of the wheels in such manner that an object striking the apron causes the scoop to drop down onto the rails and pick up whatever may be there. This kind of device has now largely replaced the fenders formerly found on streetcars. Interurban cars frequently make use of a pilot, a V-shaped apparatus framed of heavy wooden slats or steel bars. This corresponds to the steam locomotive pilot (or “cowcatcher,” as it used to be termed colloquially).

Neither aprons nor skirts, is applied to the design of electric railway cars, have any close relationship to feminine wearing apparel. These words are variously interpreted. The shadow apron, which you see in front of the new PCC equipment in St. Louis, for instance, is a device to prevent the glare from interior lights being reflected on the windshield and thus interfering with the motorman’s view of the track ahead. A common use of skirts is to screen the car trucks and under-floor equipment from view.

The fact that our derailment in front of the barn broke the life guard on the blind side did not, of course, make it a blind accident. It would have been that only if it had occurred without anyone employed by the company knowing about the matter – in other words, if it cam to attention first when a claimant appeared to demand redress for an injury incurred in a mishap of which there was no record. At the opposite extreme from the blind accident is the chargeable accident. This is one where somebody is to blame for having caused it or, at least, for having failed to prevent it. A derailment in front of a car house would ordinarily come in that classification.

Had the night superintendent not been there to handle the situation, the responsibility might have fallen on the receiver – a word not to be confused with the term retriever. The former is a man who sits in a cage and counts the turn-ins of the conductors and one-man operators as they fini***heir runs. It is he who discovers the overs and shorts to which I have referred – the occasions when the cash and tickets turned in for the day exceed those called for on the register record or day card, or when they fail to total that amount. The receiver may count the transfers (which the public often erroneously calls “passes”), but he does not do it on a transfer table. The latter is the device in the shops where cars are transferred from the wa***rack to the inspection track, or to a repair track if something serious is the matter.

In contrast to the financial work of a receiver, that of the retriever is purely mechanical. It is, in fact, a kind of glorified trolley-catcher. This is not a device to enable a late sleeper in the morning to catch his regular trolley. No, it is a piece of apparatus on the rear dash of a car which permits the trolley rope to be drawn out slowly, but which locks when a sudden tug is given to the rope if the trolley wheel leaves the wire. The retriever goes a step further. It not only halts the upward movement of the trolley pole, but slowly winds up the rope until the pole has been pulled snuggly down to the roof.

Our own lingo contains a host of other colorful terms from the come-alongs and compromise joints to angle bars and belt rails, from trolley pans and chafing plates to fish plates and breakers. Nobody knows them all, for there are many sectional variations, but if you have a good foundation in lingo you can pretty well understand what’s being said from British Columbia to Florida.

“Ladder,” such as this one leading into a Philadelphia car barn in a track layout with a series of switches.


[:I] Pedro was driving down the street in a panic because he had an important meeting and couldn't find a parking place. Looking up toward heaven, he said "Lord, take pity on me. If you find me a parking place I will go to Mass every Sunday for the rest of my life and give up tequila." Miraculously, a parking place appeared. Pedro looked up again and said "Never mind. I found one." [:I]

[:I] The husband and wife go to a counselor after 15 years of marriage. The counselor asks them what the problem is and the wife goes into a tirade listing every problem they have ever had in the 15 years they've been married. She goes on and on and on. Finally, the counselor gets up, goes around the desk, embraces the woman and kisses her passionately. The woman shuts up and sits quietly in a daze. The counselor turns to the husband and says "That is what your wife needs at least three times a week. Can you do that?" The husband thinks for a moment and replies, "Well, I can get her here Monday and Wednesday, but Friday, I golf " [:I]

[siberianmo]

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WEDNESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

G’day! The best way to start the day is here with us![tup] Some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery along with a hot cuppa freshly brewed coffee “works” well! Then we have our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts from the Menu Board. So, c’mon and join us![tup]


Daily Wisdom

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Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear: Southern Pacific arrives next Tuesday! This will be the THEME for the DAY!

* Weekly Calendar:

Today Pike Perspective’s Day!
Thursday Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and – ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 05:21:16 (246) Tuesday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 05:26:04 (246) RRs from Yesteryear #6 – Santa Fe, Part I

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 06:30:59 (246) Theme for the Day! Streamliner #61 – Super Chief

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 07:20:34 (246) Theme for the Day! – Santa Fe maps

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 08:33:05 (246) Theme for the Day! – Santa Fe Ad (1950)

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 10:06:42 (246) Theme for the Day! – Santa Fe Ad (1951)

(7) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 10:33:25 (246) Acknowledgments & Santa Fe comments


(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 11:58:53 (246) RRs from Yesteryear #6 - Santa Fe, Part II

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 12:32:45 (246) Theme for the Day! On the Atchison, Topeka & the Santa Fe

(10) passengerfan Al Posted: 14 Feb 20067, 12:47:05 (246) Theme for the Day!Santa Fe dining & lounge cars

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 14:03:58 (247) Comments, etc.

(12) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 14:13:12 (247) Comments & Name Trains of the Santa Fe

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 14:23:24 (247) Theme for the Day! Santa Fe Ad (1953)

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 14:48:04 (247) Theme for the Day! Santa Fe Ad (1949)

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 14:56:12 (247) Comments, etc.

(16) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 15:53:48 (247) PM visit, acknowledgments, etc.

(17) pwolfe Pete Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 16:48:48 (247) Inclusive Post, etc.

(18) passengerfan Al Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 16:54:26 (247) Theme for the Day! Santa Fe head-end cars

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 14 Feb 2006, 20:09:18 (247) Acknowledgments, etc.



NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
. . . . . Double Features, all of the time . . . . .

. . . Sunday, February 12th thru 18th: Bound for Glory (1976) starring: David Carradine, Ronny Cox & Melinda Dillon – and – Emperor of the North Pole (1973) starring: Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine & Keith Carradine.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

Thanx Cindy for spotting me this afternoon - I owe ya![tup][tup][tup]

Okay - what have we got here[?] Posts from CM3 - Pete 'n Al - awright!![tup]

CM3 given the era you speak of, no doubt the Santa Fe was appreciated by so many people, even the ones who probably never traveled aboard those gleaming streamliners. That livery just "did it!" Wunnerful, fer sure, fer sure![swg]

Was beginning to think that the 'puter gremlins got to you too - but happy that you made it in on this fine day at the bar. Never a dull moment - Posts galore - and thus far, everyone on the same sheet of music, "The Atchison, Topeka and the Santa Fe"!![swg]

Thanx for the info on the Pix and hopefully you'll get some relief at work in order to do some work for us![swg] Tough crowd 'round here, eh[?]

Appreciate the round and the quarters - ole Coal Scuttle was beginning to look like a dieter!<grin>

Pete Not suprised about seeing the Santa Fe ads and other info over in "Merry Olde" - it was a grand railroad, one that I always considered more of a "standard" than the Pennsy. NOTE: I dearly loved the PRR and still do - but when it came to just plain great looking passenger trains - hands down winnah goes to Santa Fe!![yeah]

Nice to know that you've appreciated these series of Railroads from Yesteryear - there's lots of great info within the texts and much, much more on Wikipedia.

I added The Harvey Girls to the slate of flicks for The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre. Will probably show up in the March selections . . .

Thanx for the round AND for your help over at my other thread. Nice of you to jump in with those descriptions![tup][tup][tup]

Al You've been "right there" with the support for this Theme for the Day - Santa Fe!! Lotsa data, history and well put together Posts.[tup][tup][tup]

Rounds are also appreciated - keeps the ole register workin' real well! NOTE: We don't use those new-fangled 'puter type registers. Ours are strictly the ole mechanical types. Ka-ching, Ka-ching.[swg]

THANX to all who helped make our "Santa Fe Day" a success. Remember, Southern Pacific arrives next Tuesday!

Boyz - it's been quite a day and I'm about to crash 'n burn in front of the tube while watching the Olympics. So, the bar now goes to Leon the Night Man! So ring the bell Boris - drinks on me![tup]

Nite![zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

In keeping with the Santa Fe theme for the day.

ATCHISON
TOPEKA
&
SANTA FE Streamlined Head End Cars
by AL

The first lightweight streamlined headend cars purchased by the Santa Fe were a pair from the Budd Company as part of the first SUPER CHIEF order. These two cars one a full Baggage 3430 the other a Baggage 30’Railway Post Office car 3400. These two stainless steel cars were delivered to the Santa Fe as part of a nine-car order for the first streamlined SUPER CHIEF in April 1937. Only one of the two head end cars the Baggage Car 3430 would operate in the SUPER CHIEF when it entered service beginning May 18, 1937. As the Baggage 30’Railway Post Office Car was not assigned to the SUPER CHIEF it was operated in numerous other heavyweight trains until March 15, 1938 when it found permanent assignment to the first SAN DIEGAN consist for operation between Los Angeles and San Diego.

BAGGAGE CAR Budd Company April 1937 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF)

3430

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CAR Budd Company April 1937 (Built for SUPER CHIEF assigned to SAN DIEGAN)

3400

Santa Fe next placed large orders with both Pullman Standard and Budd for lightweight streamlined cars. There were enough new cars ordered to equip six CHIEF consists, two EL CAPITAN consists, two consists to equip the CHICAGOAN-KANSAS CITYAN two GOLDEN GATE consists and additional cars for the first SAN DIEGAN consist as well as a second SUPER CHIEF consist.
The head end cars that were purchased for the CHIEF were from Budd as were all the head end cars for these trains and were delivered in early November 1937 for the January 21, 1938 debut of the streamlined CHIEFS.
Each consist of the CHIEF was assigned one of six Baggage – Barber Shop – Buffet 30seat lounge cars all numbered and named with SAN prefix names.

BAGGAGE – BARBER SHOP – VALET – BUFFET 30-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Budd Company November 1937 (Built for and assigned to CHIEF)

1380 SAN MIGUEL

1381 SAN MARCIAL

1382 SAN FERNANDO

1383 SAN SIMON

1384 SAN IGNACIO

1385 SAN PASCAL

The Budd Company delivered two Baggage 7 Crew Dormitory Bar 30 seat Lounge Cars in January 1938 for assignment to both the first and second streamlined SUPER CHIEF consists. At that time the Santa Fe withdrew Baggage Car 3430 from the first streamlined SUPER CHIEF consist and replaced it with one of the new cars from Budd 1386-SAN CLEMENTE in February 1938. The second streamlined SUPER CHIEF consist was assigned 1387-SAN ACACIA.

BAGGAGE 7-CREW DORMITORY BAR 30-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Budd Company January 1938 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEFS)

1386 SAN CLEMENTE

1387 SAN ACACIA

On the same date February 22, 1938 that the second streamlined SUPER CHIEF consist entered service the Santa Fe inaugurated the all Coach streamlined EL CAPITAN between Chicago and Los Angeles with two consists operating on the same days at the SUPER CHIEF. These five car trains had a single combination head end car assigned to each train set. These cars were Baggage 13 Crew Dormitory Newsstand 32 revenue seat Coach combinations 3480 and 3481.

BAGGAGE 13 CREW DORMITORY NEWSSTAND 32-REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Budd Company January 1938 (Built for and assigned to EL CAPITAN)

3480, 3481

The previously mentioned 3400 Baggage 30’Railway Post Office car was the next head end car to enter service at the head of the new SAN DIEGAN consist beginning March 27, 1938. The SAN DIEGAN made two round trips daily from Los Angeles to San Diego.
Santa Fe inaugurated two seven-car streamliners between Chicago and Wichita, Kansas daily in each direction beginning April 17, 1938. The first car in each streamlined consist of the CHICAGOAN-KANSAS CITYAN was a new Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car numbers 3401 and 3402.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS Budd Company March 1938 (Built for and assigned to CHICAGOAN – KANSAS CITYAN)

3401, 3402

The final new trains of the Santa Fe inaugurated in 1938 were the two consists of the GOLDEN GATES seven-car streamliners between Oakland and Bakersfield with Bus connections at terminals to and from Los Angeles from Bakersfield or to or from San Francisco from Oakland.
The head end cars built for these trains were Baggage 36-revenue seat Coach combinations 3490 and 3491.

BAGGAGE 36-REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Budd Company April 1938 (Built for and assigned to GOLDEN GATES)

3490, 3491

Santa Fe received two 60’ Railway Post Office cars from Budd in January 1940 80 and 81. These cars were assigned to the CHICAGOAN – KANSAS CITYAN replacing the earlier Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office cars that had been operated in these trains since inaugurated. By this time the CHICAGOAN – KANSAS CITYAN route had been expanded westward from Wichita to Oklahoma City. It is believed the two Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office cars 3401 and 3402 continued to operate in the consists using their Baggage space only until March 1940 when they were at last replaced by Baggage 38-revenue seat Coach Combinations 3492 and 3493 newly delivered by Pullman Standard. The two older Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office cars 3401 and 3402 were then assigned to the CHIEF pool of cars that was now operating with Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Cars in their consists. These were mostly heavyweights in fact 3401 and 3402 were the first two lightweight streamlined cars assigned to the CHIEF pool.

60’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS Budd Company January 1940 (Built for and assigned to CHICAGOAN – KANSAS CITYAN)

80, 81

BAGGAGE 38-REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Pullman Standard March 1940 (Built for and assigned to CHICAGOAN – KANSAS CITYAN)

3492, 3493

One other Baggage Crew Dormitory Coach Combination was delivered to the Santa Fe in March 1940 this was a Baggage 13 Crew 32-revenue seat Coach combination from Budd number 3482. This car was assigned to a third EL CAPITAN consist that was then entering service.

BAGGAGE 13-CREW DORMITORY 32-REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATION Budd Company March 1940 (Built for and assigned to EL CAPITAN)

3482

Baggage Car 3430 originally built for the first streamlined SUPER CHIEF consist was next assigned to the first SAN DIEGAN consist. This was done as a means to carry baggage on the one round trip daily by the SAN DIEGAN when the Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office car 3400 was not in the consist.
When a second SAN DIEGAN consist entered service on a twice-daily basis round trip two head end cars were built for assignment to that train set. First there was another Baggage 30' Railway Post Office car 3403 delivered to the Santa Fe by Budd in May 1941. Full Baggage car number 3431 delivered in June 1941 was the other car assigned to the second SAN DIEGAN. Only rarely did the occasion arise when both head end cars were in the consists at the same time.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CAR Budd Company May 1941 (Built for and assigned to SAN DIEGAN)

3403

BAGGAGE CAR Budd Company June 1941 (Built for and assigned to SAN DIEGAN)

3431

The Santa Fe operating two sets of EL CAPITAN train sets by 1941 was faced with lengthier trains and additional space for the crew became necessary as that also increased. The Santa Fe rebuilt two of the three Baggage Crew Dormitory Coaches 3480-3481 to Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory cars during February – March 1941 in Topeka shops with no changes of numbers.
The Santa Fe received an order from Budd between January and May 1942 for a group of 21-Baggage cars numbered 3432 – 3452. These cars were built for general service but each consist of the CHIEF was assigned one car from this pool. In photos of the period they are also shown operating in the otherwise all heavyweight RANGER the Santa Fe train between Chicago and the Galveston. They turned up in the SCOUT and GRAND CANYON trains as well. Assigned as they were to general service they could turn up in almost any Santa Fe train.

BAGGAGE CARS Budd Company January – May 1942 (Built for and assigned to the CHIEF and General Service)

3432 – 3452

The Santa Fe received five Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Cars 3404 – 3408 from Budd in October 1945 for assignment to the CHIEF. As five cars were not enough to equip the six sets of CHIEF equipment one set was assigned a heavyweight RPO. These cars only operated in the CHIEF until April 1947 when they were temporarily replaced by 60’ Railway Post Office Cars 82-88 intended for the SUPER CHIEF. After the CHIEF lost its RPO the 3404 – 3408 series cars were assigned to General Service in 1947 with 3406 finding permanent assignment in the EL PASOAN train set beginning in May 1953. The EL PASOAN was the daily round trip service offered by the Santa Fe between Albuquerque, New Mexico and El Paso, Texas.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS Budd Company October 1945 (Built for and assigned to CHIEF initially)

3404 – 3408

In December 1945 the Santa Fe Topeka Shops rebuilt the two Baggage 38-revenue seat Coach Combinations 3492 and 3493 into Baggage 12-Crew Dormitory 28 revenue seat Coaches for continued service in the CHICAGOAN – KANSAS CITYAN. The majority of the space needed for the crew dormitory came from the baggage area. The two cars were assigned to CHICAGOAN – KANSAS CITYAN for the dining car and lounge crew.
Prewar CHIEF Baggage – Crew Dormitory – Buffet Lounge Car 1384 SAN IGNACIO was rebuilt in Topeka shops in March to a straight Baggage 22 crew Dormitory car and was then assigned to one of the SUPER CHIEF consists at that time.
In anticipation of the SUPER CHIEF going daily the Santa Fe ordered seven 60’ Railway Post Office Cars 82 – 88 delivered by American Car & Foundry in April 1947. Until 1948 when the SUPER CHIEF became daily the cars were assigned to the CHIEF. Once enough new equipment was delivered for daily operation of the SUPER CHIEFS the cars were transferred to that train. The CHIEF then lost its RPO and thereafter carried only storage mail and baggage with some REA express shipments.

60’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS American Car & Foundry April – May, 1947 (Built for and assigned to the SUPER CHIEF)

82 – 88

Also delivered by American Car & Foundry at the same time in April – May 1947 were eighteen Baggage Cars 3409 – 3426. These cars were assigned to General Service but at least one of these cars operated in every CHIEF train set. When the TEXAS CHIEF was inaugurated the cars were also assigned to service in the three train sets for that train.

BAGGAGE CARS American Car & Foundry April – May 1947 (Built for and assigned to General Service besides CHIEF and TEXAS CHIEF)

3409 – 3426

In July – August 1947 the Santa Fe received three 60’ Railway Post Office cars numbers 50 – 52 for assignment to the TEXAS CHIEF between Chicago and Galveston. Actually these cars were pooled with the seven received earlier that year for the SUPER CHIEF 82-88. Between the 50-52 series and 82-88 series the Santa Fe had ten of these cars with six assigned to the SUPER CHIEF consists and four available for operation in the TEXAS CHIEF. These cars could be found operating in either train as they were exchanged frequently in Chicago.

60’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS American Car & Foundry July – August 1947 (Built for and assigned to TEXAS CHIEF)

50 – 52

The last three head end cars received by the Santa Fe in 1947 were three Baggage 22- Crew Dormitory Cars 3477 - 3479 from Pullman Standard delivered in August – September 1947. These three Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory cars were for assignment to the daily EL CAPITAN train sets. Along with the three prewar cars 3480 - 3482 that had already been converted from Baggage Crew Dormitory Coach Combinations to Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory cars in 1941. This gave the EL CAPITAN the six cars of this type necessary for daily operation.

BAGGAGE 22-CREW DORMITORY CARS Pullman Standard August – September 1947 (Built for and assigned to EL CAPITANS)

3477 – 3479

In February, 1948 the Santa Fe shops in Topeka modernized six-heavyweight Baggage Buffet 30 seat Lounge Cars and repainted them Silver with shadow line striping to mimic the fluted stainless steel panels found on the streamlined cars these cars were numbered 1300 - 1305. These cars were then assigned to the CHIEF and the streamlined cars of this type formerly assigned to the CHIEF were assigned to the daily SUPER CHIEFS until replaced by new cars in October – November 1950. At that time the old modernized heavyweights 1300 - 1305 were retired from the CHIEF replaced by the original streamlined cars from 1938.
Another of the Santa Fe Baggage Dormitory Lounge cars 1387 SAN ACACIA originally built for the second streamlined SUPER CHIEF consist was rebuilt to a Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory car in June 1948by Topeka shops. It was then assigned to the EL CAPITAN trains as a spare.
Santa Fe received four Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Cars numbered 3600 - 3603 from American Car & Foundry in June 1951. These cars were assigned to General Service and were not assigned to any specific trains but instead assigned to the pool of these cars that included 3404 – 3408.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS American Car & Foundry June 1951 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

3600 – 3603

Santa Fe rebuilt the Baggage –Dormitory- Coach 3482 into a Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory car in August, 1952 for assignment to the EL CAPITAN. This car was built for the third EL CAPITAN train set and was not converted at the same time as the other two in 1941. When the war ended the Santa Fe assigned 1384 SAN IGNACIO after it had been rebuilt to a Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory car in March 1946. The 3482 had then been assigned to General Service at that time although it was still found operating in the EL CAPITAN quite often.
The next group of head end cars to arrive on the Santa Fe were forty straight baggage cars from Budd numbered 3500 – 3539 delivered between June and November, 1953. These cars were assigned to premium service trains such as the SUPER CHIEFS and EL CAPITANS both needing six for a total of twelve. In addition the CHIEF received six and the TEXAS CHIEFS received a total of eight as they operated with two sometimes more in each train set. Actually they operated in a pool that was based out of Chicago for service any of these trains as necessary. Other baggage cars of this series were assigned to the new SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF when that train was inaugurated in 1954. The Santa Fe made it a practice to assign the very latest cars to the premium service trains such as the SUPER CHIEF, CHIEF, EL CAPITAN, TEXAS CHIEF, and SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF with all cars being stainless steel fluted sidecars in these trains.

BAGGAGE CARS Budd Company June – November 1953 (Built for and assigned to premium service trains)

3500 – 3539

Budd delivered ten similar cars in outside appearance to the forty baggage cars numbered 3500 – 3539. These cars were actually Storage Mail cars and were assigned numbers 3650 – 3659 and traveled locked between destinations unlike the Baggage cars that were manned. In trains that carried Railway Post Office cars they were generally trainlined either ahead of or just behind these cars but ahead of the trains working baggage car. In other cases the cars were assigned to the mail and express trains that carried a single rider coach across the state of Kansas for any passengers that wished to ride these trains that generally stopped at nearly every station. These cars being nearly identical to the Baggage cars were often substituted when one of the Baggage cars was not available for any reason.

STORAGE MAIL CARS Budd Company November – December 1953 (Built for and assigned to General service)

3650 – 3659

In January – February 1954 the Santa Fe received ten 60’ Railway post office cars from Budd numbered 89 – 98. These ten cars were assigned to the SUPER CHIEF and TEXAS CHIEF replacing older streamlined cars of the same type in these trains.

60’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS Budd Company January – February 1954 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF – TEXAS CHIEF)

89 – 98

American Car & Foundry delivered 25 Storage Mail cars 3660 – 3684 between January – April 1955. These 25 cars were assigned to General Service but were often found operating in the daily FAST MAIL trains consists.

STORAGE MAIL CARS American Car & Foundry January – April 1955 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

3660 – 3684

In 1956 the EL CAPITAN Baggage Dormitory cars were fitted with an Airfoil at the aft end of these cars to carry the wind flowing across the top of the cars from standard car height to the height of the trailing Hi-Level EL CAPITAN consists. At the same time this airfoil was installed the Crew Dormitory space was increased to 27 from the previous 22. This also made it necessary for a full baggage car to be carried in each EL CAPITAN consist ahead of the Baggage Crew Dormitory Car in each train set. The cars with the added airfoil were 3477 – 3482 all of them original equipment for the EL CAPITAN consists.
Still in need of additional Baggage cars for service in the express and mail trains that did not require the expense of stainless steel equipment the Santa Fe constructed fifty Baggage cars in the Topeka shops 3700 – 3749. These cars were delivered painted silver and were assigned to mail and express trains as well as secondary passenger trains.

BAGGAGE CARS Santa Fe Shops April – November 1956 (Built for and assigned to mail and express trains)

3700 – 3749

A trio of Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office cars 3604 – 3606 arrived from American Car & Foundry in July 1957. They were assigned to the TEXAS CHIEF replacing the earlier 60” Railway Post Office cars in those consists.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS American Car & Foundry July 1957 (Built for and assigned to TEXAS CHIEFS)

3604 – 3606

That same year Budd delivered fifteen Baggage Cars 3540 - 3554 in September – October to the Santa Fe. These cars were assigned to the SUPER CHIEF, EL CAPITAN, CHIEF, SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF, and TEXAS CHIEF pool. This group of Baggage cars was the last stainless steel cars of this type purchased by the Santa Fe.

BAGGAGE CARS Budd Company September – October 1957 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF, EL CAPITAN, CHIEF, SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF, and TEXAS CHIEF pool)

3540 – 3554

Santa Fe still in need of Baggage cars to replace older heavyweight cars in express and mail train service ordered another fifty Baggage cars to be built in the roads Topeka shops. These fifty cars were delivered between February and September 1958 numbered 3750 – 3799.

BAGGAGE CARS Santa Fe Shops February – September 1958 (Built for and assigned to mail and express trains)

3750 – 3799

In August – September 1960 the Santa Fe received ten Baggage cars from Topeka shops fitted with end doors and numbered 3990 – 3999. These cars were for the transportation of antique cars and old carriages to California by collectors of the vintage vehicles. The Santa Fe operated them most often as regular Baggage Cars, when not in special assignment transporting antique cars.

BAGGAGE CARS WITH FULL WIDTH END DOORS Santa Fe Shops August – September 1960 (Built for and assigned to Mail and Express trains)

3990 – 3999

Another order for forty of these home built Baggage cars were delivered by Santa Fe Topeka Shops between August – December 1960 numbered 3800 – 3839.

BAGGAGE CARS Santa Fe Shops August – December 1960 (Built for and assigned to Mail and Express trains)

3800 – 3839

The Santa Fe ordered 25 additional Baggage Cars to be built by their own Topeka shops with delivery taking place October – November 1961. This group of Baggage Cars continued the numbering sequence of these cars 3840 – 3864. As with the previous cars of this type they were painted silver and assigned mainly to Mail and Express trains.

BAGGAGE CARS Santa Fe Shops October – November 1961 (Built for and assigned to Mail and Express trains)

3840 – 3864

Between September and December 1962 another 25 of the Topeka built Baggage cars arrived on line numbered 3865 – 3889.

BAGGAGE CARS Santa Fe Shops September – December 1962 (Built for and assigned to Mail and Express trains)

3865 – 3889

Still purchasing these Topeka built Baggage cars in lots of 25 numbers 3890 – 3914 arrived between September – November 1963. As with all previous cars of this type they were assigned to Mail and Express trains.

BAGGAGE CARS Santa Fe Shops September – November 1963 (Built for and assigned to Mail and Express trains)

3890 – 3914

Santa Fe needing additional Crew Dormitory cars rebuilt the Pullman Sleeping car FORWARD dating back to November 1936 built originally with 8-Sections 2-Compartments 2 Double Bedrooms. This car as rebuilt retained the 8-Sections and one Bedroom for the Crew Space and the rest of this car was rebuilt to a Baggage Compartment. The work was completed in October 1963 and the car was numbered 3473.
An additional Sleeping car ORAIBI was rebuilt in December 1963 and numbered 3472. This car originally one of the first streamlined SUPER CHIEF cars delivered in April 1937 was originally 6 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment 2 Drawing Rooms. The interior of this car was gutted and Crew Dormitory space for 26 was installed with one bedroom retained for the Dining Car Steward. The remainder of the car interior was converted to a Baggage Compartment. The car was assigned number 3472 when the conversion was completed in December 1963.
In May and June 1964 the Santa Fe received their last stainless steel head end cars from Budd twelve 60’ Railway Post Office Cars numbered 99 – 110. These were the last 60’ Railway Post Office Cars built for service in the United States. Unfortunately the mail contracts were canceled shortly after their delivery so they saw very little service on the Santa Fe. In fact these cars after being stored for some time were sold to Mexico where the practically new trucks were removed for use on other cars and the bodies were scrapped.

60’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS Budd Company May – June 1964 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF and TEXAS CHIEF)

99 – 110

A final order for twenty-five Baggage cars 3915 - 3939 was received from Topeka Shops in December 1965. Identical to the earlier cars this final group was indistinguishable from all of the earlier Topeka built cars.

BAGGAGE CARS Santa Fe Shops December 1965 (Built for and assigned to Mail and Express trains)

3915 – 3939

TTFN AL

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams CINDY and certainly a round to celebrate Santa Fe Day[tup][tup][tup].

TOM [wow]. The Santa Fe day had been promised for a few days and now it as arrived it was well worth waiting for[yeah].
I'm afraid I can't add any info on the SF but the Warbonnet livery on the diesels was on many a cover of a railroad book in England as I grew up in the 50s .It was in my opinion the best colour scheme ever on a diesel and how well it suited the early locos.
Even the locos of today look great in it having seen it in Kansas City, are they still painting some locos in that livery today?.

Many thanks AL for the Super Chief and the other trains details we are lucky to have that much knowledge at Our Place. I bet there are a few stories from the Dome car the
Hollywood crowd used to ride in.

Great photos and Ads as well. The Harvey Girls was on TCM recently. I missed it but perhaps it wil be on again soon.

Thanks CM3 and LARS for the named trains look forward to more on the Santa Fe. truly a great railroad. PETE.

[coalminer3]

Good Afternoon Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the hoiuse and $ for the jukebox. Canadian Northern and Santa Fe. Lovely! The picture of the PA was too much! Santa Fe was mentioned at home every so often when grandma went west. She was a devotee of the El Capitan - not just for the budget part of it, but also because she felt the crown was "friendlier." The El Cap ad posted sort of jogged this back into my memory (or what's left of it today)

In 1969, the ATSF had the following name trains still operating

"Super Chief" - Chicago-KC-Los Angeles
El Capitan - Chicago-KC-Los Angeles
San Francisco Chief - Chicago-KC-California
Texas Chief - Chicago-KC-Ft. Worth and Houston
Tulsan - Chicago-KC-Tulsa

Incidentally, for those interested in secondary operations of the ATSF, I heartily recommend the book Coach, Cabbage and Caboose - wonderful volume; I don't know whether it's still in print, but the copies on the used market command a premium price - as in fill up the SUV's tank several times price.

Our snow is starting to melt as we have had a 35+ degree temperature swing today.

Tom - I am working on pictures - the problem is that work is the curse of the drinking class. Pulling weekends hasn't helped much either - but I think we are starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel - with my luck, it's an oncoming train...

No problem getting pages, etc. to come up here, although the Trains newswire is slower than..........

Sorry abt. the brief post, but it's late and the sun(!) is on the west side of the bldg. Time to go home and start 4th shift. Math homework for the younger set and dog wrangling for the older folks.

work safe

[siberianmo]

Okay boyz - that's it for me! Look who has popped in to take the bar - Cindy!! - now isn't that a suprise[?]<grin>

I'll be back later tonight - so enjoy the surroundings and keep the "Theme" movin' on . . .

By the by - Rob send me an Email about difficulties getting the current pages to come up on his 'puter. Says it's been this way for a couple of days. Perhaps others are experiencing the same problem. Hmmmmm. Don't know, other than to say these things have happened on other forums as well - overloading "ancient" equipment - Kalmbach's and personal stuff as well. Something to watch for . . .

By the by - thanx for stoppin' by, Lars nice compilation, as usual![tup] Appreciate the kind words too![tup] Words of wisdom: let it melt![swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

THEME FOR THE DAY - Santa Fe

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #43

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Santa Fe (AT&SF) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.
first Posted on page 191

always “at Ease” on El Capitan

Easy dress * Easy Comfort * Easy cost

”Come as your are!” on this famous Santa Fe
all-chair streamliner. Just 39 ¾ easy hors
between Chicago and California. Restful
club lounge car “just for fun!” Fred Harvey meals . . .
Coach fare plus a small extra fare . . .
Same route as The Chief
And Super Chief.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

THEME FOR THE DAY - Santa Fe

[siberianmo]

THEME FOR THE DAY - Santa Fe

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #25

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Santa Fe (AT&SF) from a 1952 advertisement in my personal collection.
first Posted on page 163


. . . . . . . . . . a trip . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . you’ll always . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . remember . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . The comfortable way to see . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . the most colorful part of America . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . is on anyone of Santa Fe’s . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . five famous trains between . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . Chicago and California – through . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . the Southwest Indian Country . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Super Chief – Chief – El Capitan – Grand Canyon – California Ltd.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Santa Fe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

THEME FOR THE DAY - Santa Fe

[LoveDomes]

Hey Tom

What a day! You've exceed yourself, Mate![tup][tup][tup][tup] That's a four-[tup] Salute! Nice work and it's a darned shame that there are so few around here to enjoy your efforts. However, I appreciate them and honestly don't know where the energy comes from to keep up the pace. Amazing.

Love those song lyrics! Haven't "heard" that one in ages ... sure brings back some memories, doesn't it[?][swg]

We're experiencing a rather nice day, unless of course one looks around to see the remnants of our blizzard. Temperatures are rising and will be in the 50's for a couple of days with rain forecast for all day Friday. That translates to one heck of a mess. Moan & Groan, Moan & Groan!

Okay, here's my humble contribution to the "Theme for this day - Sant a Fe"

Name trains of the Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe (AT&SF)

QUOTE: Antelope
California Limited
California Special
Cavern
Centennial State
Chicagoan
Chief
El Capitan
El Pasoan
Fast Mail Express
Golden Gate
Grand Canyon
Kansas Cityan
Oil Flyer
Ranger
San Diegan
Scout
Super Chief
Texas Chief
Tulsan
West Texas Express

As always, these are perhaps the best known, there most probably were others - but these are the "names" most of us can and will relate to.

How about a JD on the rocks! Nothing to eat right now . . . just want to relax and take in everything that has been provided by you, Al and whoever else has been here.

Lars

[siberianmo]

Hey Guys!

Given that tonight is a night out with my bride - Valentine's Day, ya know! - thought I'd ask for some "relief" here at the bar. Hopefully there will be sufficient numbers of you to pick up the slack in order to keep our "Theme for the Day - Santa Fe" movin' right along![tup]

Good stuff from Al - lengthy, long, alot, but still good stuff![swg] Also nice to see Russell pop in with a few comments as well.

Okay boyz, I've gotta get movin' on other things before this afternoon turns to evening.

I'll try to catch y'all tonight!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Thanks Tom for the Santa Fe Parts I and II. Time for another coffee and then its back to the office. Only being three short blocks away I can slip in and out several times a day and not be missed.

ATCHISON
TOPEKA
&
SANTA FE
(AT&SF) Streamlined Dining & Lounge Cars
By Al

The first lightweight streamlined Dining car operated by the Santa Fe was car 1454 COCHITO built for the first lightweight streamlined SUPER CHIEF. The eight car lightweight streamlined SUPER CHIEF began service May 18, 1937 between Chicago and Los Angeles ten times per month. The Budd Company of Philadelphia using stainless steel throughout built all eight cars of this first SUPER CHIEF. The most striking feature of the new trains was the war bonnet paint scheme found on the lead passenger unit. This paint scheme would identify a Santa Fe passenger train throughout the railroad streamline era.
Besides the Dining car 1474 COCHITA the new SUPER CHIEF featured a 12-crew dormitory Barbershop buffet 24-seat lounge car numbered and named 1370 ACOMA.
Another car in the 1937 SUPER CHIEF offering lounge space was the NAVAJO. The NAVAJO featured 1-double bedroom 2-drawing rooms 3-compartments and 13-seat lounge located in the round observation end. There was no liquor service available in this lounge but it was one of the most popular areas for viewing the passing scenery. The entire Budd built SUPER CHIEF eight cars consist was delivered to the Santa Fe in April 1937.

12 CREW DORMITORY BARBERSHOP BUFFET 24-SEAT LOUNGE CAR Budd Company April 1937(Built for and assigned to first lightweight streamlined SUPER CHIEF)

1370 ACOMA

36-SEAT DINING CAR Budd Company April 1937 (Built for and assigned to first lightweight streamlined SUPER CHIEF)

1474 COCHITA

1-DOUBLE BEDROOM 2-DRAWING ROOM 3-COMPARTMENT 13-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Budd Company April 1937 Plan: 9518 (Built for and assigned to first lightweight streamlined SUPER CHIEF)

NAVAJO

From this first lightweight streamlined SUPER CHIEF the Santa Fe would go on to purchase one of the largest fleets of lightweight cars owned by any western railroad.
The Santa Fe next turned their attention to streamlining the CHIEF trains. These all-Pullman trains operated in daily service between Chicago and Los Angeles on a slower schedule than the SUPER CHIEF but were very similar in equipment. The one major difference was the CHIEF would not be diesel powered until after WW II. The CHIEF was assigned new 4-6-4 Hudson’s east of Lamar, Colorado and 4-8-4 Northern’s west of Lamar. Instead of Budd constructing the entire CHIEFS they built the feature cars only. Pullman Standard built all of the sleeping cars.
From Budd came six SAN prefix series cars numbered 1380-1385. These cars featured a baggage compartment barbershop buffet and 30-seat lounge. These were the first cars in each ten car CHIEF train set.
The fifth car in each CHIEF consist also built by Budd featured a 12-crew dormitory buffet 39-seat lounge car. These cars carried numbers 1371-1376 as well as Indian names.
The sixth car in CHIEF consist was a 36-seat dining car from Budd. Ten cars numbered 1475-1484 were delivered for assignment to the CHIEFS this permitted spares and could also fill in for the earlier SUPER CHIEF dining car.
The tenth car in each CHIEF consist was a Pullman Standard built 1-double bedroom 4-drawing room 17-seat lounge observation. These cars were all assigned Indian names only. There was no bar facilities in these cars.

BAGGAGE BARBERSHOP BUFFET 30-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Budd Company October – November 1937 (Built for and assigned to CHIEF pool)

1380 SAN MIGUEL

1381 SAN MARCIAL

1382 SAN FERNANDO

1383 SAN SIMON

1384 SAN IGNACIO

1385 SAN PASCAL

12-CREW DORMITORY BUFFET 39-SEAT CLUB LOUNGE CARS Budd Company September – October 1937 (Built for and assigned to CHIEF pool)

1371 NAMBE

1372 PICURIS

1373 TESUQUE

1374 SANTA CLARA

1375 MOENCOPI

1376 ZUNI

36-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company May – June 1937 (Built for and assigned to CHIEF pool)

1475 – 1484

1-DOUBLE BEDROOM 4-DRAWING ROOM 17-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard January – February 1938 Plan: 4070 Lot: 6532 (Built for and assigned to CHIEF pool)

BETAHTAKIN

BILBITO

CHAISTLA

CHUSKA

COCONINO

DENEHOTSO

The Santa Fe next turned their attention to two five-car coach streamliners named the EL CAPITANS for fast 39-3/4 hour service between Chicago and Los Angeles. At the same time a second lightweight streamlined SUPER CHIEF was introduced in February 1938. Unfortunately the second SUPER CHIEF entered service using borrowed sleeping cars from the CHIEF pool, as Pullman Standard had not delivered the sleeping cars on time for this train. Budd for their part completed the feature cars for the second SUPER CHIEF in time for the train inaugural.
Each of the new EL CAPITAN trains were comprised of one baggage 12-crew dormitory newsstand 32-seat coach, a 52-seat coach, a 14-seat lunch counter 24-seat dining car, another 52-seat coach and a 50-seat coach observation. The 14-seat lunch counter 24-seat dining cars served double duty acting as lounge cars during non-meal hours. Budd delivered the two 14-seat lunch counter 24-seat dining cars in January 1938 to the Santa Fe numbered 1505 and 1506.
The three feature cars delivered by Budd for the second SUPER CHIEF in January 1938 were baggage 7-crew dormitory bar 28-seat lounge car 1387 SAN ACACIA, 12-crew dormitory barbershop buffet 24-seat lounge car 1377 AGATHLA and 36-seat dining car 1485 AWATOBI. The latter car 1485 AWATOBI was the last named lightweight streamlined dining car on the Santa Fe.
In July 1938 Pullman Standard delivered the 1-double bedroom 4-drawing room 17-seat lounge observation PUYE to the Santa Fe to replace the CHIEF pool car CHAISTLA on the rear of the second streamlined SUPER CHIEF.

14-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 24-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company January 1938) Built for and assigned to EL CAPITAN pool)

1505-1506

BAGGAGE 7-CREW DORMITORY BAR 28-SEAT LOUNGE CAR Budd Company January 1938 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF pool)

1387 SAN ACACIA

12-CREW DORMITORY BARBERSHOP BUFFET 24-SEAT LOUNGE CAR Budd Company January 1938 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF pool)

1377 AGATHLA

36-SEAT DINING CAR Budd Company January 1938 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF pool)

1485 AWATOBI

1-DOUBLE BEDROOM 4-DRAWING ROOM 17-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Pullman Standard July 1938 Plan: 4070A Lot: 6553 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF pool)

PUYE

The Santa Fe next turned their attention to their most popular short route the Surf line between Los Angeles and San Diego. The new five-car SAN DIEGAN operated a twice-daily round trip beginning in San Diego each morning. The one feature car of this train was its 8-seat lunch counter 16-seat dining bar 20-seat Tavern Lounge car 1500 delivered by Budd in March 1938. Car 1500 was rebuilt in November 1940 to a 14-seat lunch counter 24-seat dining car with the car serving as a tavern lounge during non-meal hours. This brought the two cars of GOLDEN GATE and the one SAN DIEGAN car into a pool o identical 14-seat lunch counter 24-seat dining cars. The new five-car streamliner was inaugurated March 23, 1938.

8-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 16-SEAT DINING BAR 20-SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE CAR Budd Company March 1938 (Built for and assigned to SAN DIEGAN)

1500

On April 17, 1938 the Santa Fe inaugurated a pair of streamliners between Chicago and Wichita, Kansas. The new trains were named CHICAGOAN eastbound and KANSAS CITYAN westbound. These trains were the longest day runs on the Santa Fe and would soon have their western terminal extended to Oklahoma City. Each of these seven-car streamliners offered two feature cars. One of these was a 26-revenue seat coach bar 30-seat lounge car the other a 48-seat dining car. The two consists were trainlined in the following order.

CONSIST ONE

8 EMC E1A 1,800 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3401 Baggage 30’Railway Post Office Car

3107 52-Revenue Seat Coach

3108 52-Revenue Seat Coach

3109 52-Revenue Seat Coach

1399 26-Revenue Seat Coach Bar 30-Seat Lounge Car

1487 48-Seat Dining Car

3241 30-Revenue Seat Parlor Observation
CONSIST TWO

9 EMC E1A 1,800 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3402 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

3110 52-Revenue Seat Coach

3111 52-Revenue Seat Coach

3112 52-Revenue Seat Coach

1398 26-revenue Seat Coach Bar 30-Seat Lounge Car

1486 48-Seat Dining Car

3242 30-Revenue seat Parlor Observation

26-REVENUE SEAT COACH BAR 30-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Budd Company March 1938 (Built for and assigned to CHICAGOAN-KANSAS CITYAN)

1398, 1399

48-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company March 1938 (Built for and assigned to CHICAGOAN – KANSAS CITYAN)

1486, 1487

Two additional streamlined trains were introduced by the Santa Fe in July 1938 the GOLDEN GATES between Oakland and Bakersfield with connecting bus service operated by the Santa Fe to Southern California.
Each new seven-car streamliner was trainlined as follows:

CONSIST ONE
8 EMC E1A 1,800 hp Passenger Diesel Cab Unit

3490 Baggage 36-revenue seat Coach

3116 52-revenue seat Coach

3095 60-revenue seat Coach

1501 8-seat Lunch Counter 16-seat
Dining 20-seat Tavern Lounge
Car

3117 26-revenue seat Coach Bar 30-
Seat Club Lounge car

3090 60-revenue seat Coach

3243 60-revenue seat Coach
Observation

CONSIST TWO

9 EMC E1A 1,800 hp Passenger Diesel
Unit

3491 Baggage 36-revenue seat Coach

3115 52-revenue seat Coach

3093 60-revenue seat Coach

1502 8-seat Lunch Counter 16-seat
Dining 20-seat Tavern Lounge
Car

3118 26-revenue seat Coach Bar 30-
Seat Club Lounge Car

3091 60-revenue seat Coach

3244 60-revenue seat Coach
Observation

Both of the 8-seat Lunch Counter 16-seat dining 20-seat tavern lounge cars 1501 and 1502 were rebuilt in November 1938 to 14-seat Lunch Counter 24-seat Dining cars with no change of numbers.

8-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 16-SEAT DINING 20-SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE CARS Budd Company July 1938 (Built for and assigned to GOLDEN GATES)

1501, 1502

The other feature cars the 26-revenue seat coach bar 30-seat Club Lounge cars 3117 and 3118 were also Budd built cars delivered in July 1938.

26-REVENUE SEAT COACH BAR 30-SEAT CLUB LOUNGE CARS Budd Company July 1938 (Built for and assigned to GOLDEN GATES)

3117, 3118

Additional cars were delivered before WW-II that made Santa Fe travel even more pleasurable.
In January 1940 the Santa Fe received a pair of Club –Lounge cars for assignment to the EL CAPITANS from Budd. These cars provided lounge space for 24 with a bar and 36-seat club lounge. The two cars were numbered 1396 and 1397.

24-SEAT LOUNGE BAR 36-SEAT CLUB LOUNGE CARS Budd Company January 1940 (Built for and assigned to EL CAPITAN trains)

1396, 1397

In February 1940 a single 36-seat dining car 1488 was delivered to the Santa Fe by Pullman Standard and assigned to the SUPER CHIEF-CHIEF pool. This was the first Pullman Standard built lightweight streamlined dining car built for the Santa Fe, all previous lightweight streamlined dining cars built for the Santa Fe had come from Budd.

36-SEAT DINING CAR Pullman Standard February 1940 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF – CHIEF pool)

1488

Another car delivered in February 1940 was a single 14-seat Lunch Counter 24-seat dining car number 1507 for assignment to the TULSAN between Tulsa and Kansas City round trip daily. This car like the previous Lunch – Counter Dining cars for the Santa Fe was built by Budd.

14-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 24-SEAT DINING CAR Budd Company February 1940 (Built for and assigned to TULSAN)

1507

In March 1940 Budd delivered a single 12-crew dormitory barbershop bar 24-seat club lounge car 1378 CONCHO as a spare for the SUPER CHIEF although the car also operated in the CHIEF.

12-CREW DORMITORY BARBERSHOP BAR 24-SEAT CLUB LOUNGE CAR Budd Company March 1940 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF)

1378 CONCHO

In April –May 1941 Budd delivered a pair of Club- Lounge cars 1388 and 1389 identical to 1396 and 1397 delivered in January 1940, these cars were assigned to the EL CAPITAN pool of cars although they operated in numerous other trains during their Santa Fe careers.

24-SEAT LOUNGE BAR 36-SEAT CLUB-LOUNGE CARS Budd Company April – May 1941 (Built for and assigned to EL CAPITAN pool)

1388, 1389

Also in May 1941 the Budd Company delivered an additional 14-seat lunch counter 24-seat dining car to the Santa Fe for the EL CAPITAN pool.

14-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 24-SEAT DINING CAR Budd Company May 1941 (Built for and assigned to EL CAPITAN pool)

1504

In December 1941 another 14-seat lunch counter 24-seat dining car was delivered to the Santa Fe numbered 1503. With the delivery of this car the Santa Fe set up an EL CAPITAN-SAN DIEGAN pool of these cars. During WW-II the Santa Fe operated two of these lunch counter dining cars in each EL CAPITAN train set between Chicago and Los Angeles. They gave up one of their Lunch counter dining cars to the SAN DIEGAN for a daily Los Angeles – San Diego round trip before departure in the EL CAPITAN eastbound later that same day.

14-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 24-SEAT DINING CAR Budd Company December 1941 (Built for and assigned to EL CAPITAN – SAN DIEGAN pool)

1503

The final feature cars delivered to the Santa Fe came in the first six months of WW-II. It is doubtful if these cars would have been constructed if work on these ten 36-seat dining cars were not already underway at the outbreak of WW-II. Between January and July 1942 the Santa Fe received ten 36-seat dining cars 1489-1498 from Budd for the SUPER CHIEF – CHIEF pool replacing the older cars in these trains. The cars are known to have operated in other trains such as the RANGER during WW-II as well.

36-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company January – July 1942 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF – CHIEF pool)

1489-1498

Following WW-II the Santa Fe listed their priorities for new passenger equipment as enough new cars for daily operation of the SUPER CHIEF and EL CAPITAN trains. This would mean enough additional cars for six sets of equipment for each train. All new cars would be the order of the day for the SUPER CHIEF except for 36-seat dining cars that were prewar cars and some of the other feature cars such as Dormitory Buffet Lounge cars and 1-double bedroom 4-drawing room lounge observations. In the case of the postwar daily EL CAPITAN trains new Lunch counter-dining cars would supplement the prewar cars as well as new Club-Lounge cars to supplement those built prior to WW-II.
Even though it would be February 29, 1948 before the SUPER CHIEF and EL CAPITAN became daily streamliners the first of the new postwar feature cars to arrive were six 12-crew Dormitory – Club Lounge cars 1390-1395. Budd delivered these cars in March – April 1946 to the Santa Fe for daily SUPER CHIEF assignment. The Santa Fe assigned the cars to the tri-weekly SUPER CHIEF then operating with the cars being assigned to Chicago at that time. These cars were identical to those built for the prewar SUPER CHIEF except for the barbershop missing from these postwar cars. In place of the barbershop was the Stewards room providing private space for the dining car boss.

STEWARDS ROOM 12-CREW DORMITORY BAR 24-SEAT CLUB LOUNGE CARS Budd Company March – April 1946 (Built for and assigned to postwar daily SUPER CHIEF)

1390-1395

Also on Mach 1946 Topeka shops rebuilt Baggage-Dormitory-Lounge car 1384 SAN IGNACIO into a Baggage 21-crew dormitory car with no change of number or name. The car was then assigned to one of the SUPER CHIEF consists.
Pullman Standard delivered three postwar Club Lounge cars 1347-1349 to the Santa Fe in September 1947 for assignment to the EL CAPITAN when that train went daily in 1948. These three cars joined four pre-war cars from Budd giving the EL CAPITAN one spare when it became a daily train.

24-SEAT LOUNGE BAR 36-SEAT CLUB LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard September 1947 (Built for and assigned to postwar daily EL CAPITAN pool)

1347-1349

Between January and March 1948 Budd delivered sixteen 14-seat Lunch Counter 24-seat dining cars 1550-1565 to the Santa Fe for assignment two per consist to each daily EL CAPITAN. The fully replenished spare cars were rotated in and out of the trains at Chicago and Los Angeles.

14-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 24-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company January – March 1948 (Built for and assigned to the daily EL CAPITAN pool)

1550 – 1565

In June 1948 the Topeka shops rebuilt Baggage-Dormitory Lounge car 1387 SAN ACACIA into a Baggage 21-crew dormitory car ad assigned this car to the SUPER CHIEF-CHIEF pool. There was no change of number or name with this conversion.
In 1950 the Santa Fe again received new cars for there two premiere trains SUPER CHIEF and EL CAPITAN. Among feature cars delivered for the EL CAPITAN were twelve new 14-seat Lunch Counter 24-seat Dining cars replacing the 1948 Budd built cars of this type, although the new Pullman Standard built cars were actually placed in a pool with the earlier cars. The pool not only equipped the EL CAPITAN but also was assigned to the TEXAS CHIEFS, and even the GRAND CANYONS began operating with these cars. In the GRAND CANYONS the cars served as both dining and lounge cars.

14-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 24-SEAT DINING CARS Pullman Standard June – August 1950 (Built for and assigned to EL CAPITAN-TEXAS CHIEF-GRAND CANYON pool)

1566-1577

Six 13 -Crew Dormitory 24 seat lounge cars 1339-1344 were delivered o the Santa Fe by Pullman Standard in October 1950 for assignment to the SUPER CHIEFS. These cars were placed forward behind the baggage car in the SUPER CHIEFS consist with the dormitory space serving the trailing 36-seat dining car crew. Older cars operating in the SUPER CHIEF were then assigned to the CHIEF.

13-CREW DORMITORY 24-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard October 1950 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEFS)

1339-1344

A similar car to the above number 1345 was delivered in November 1950 except the Dormitory lacked a Stewards room thus the dormitory capacity was for twelve crew. This car had a buffet and lounge seating for 24. The 1345 was assigned to the TULSAN pool of cars operating between Kansas City and Tulsa with the crew over-night in Tulsa before returning to Kansas City the next day.

12-CREW DORMITORY BUFFET 24-SEAT LOUNGE CAR Pullman Standard November 1950 (Built for and assigned to TULSAN)

1345

Pullman Standard delivered car 1346 in November 1950 a 24-seat lounge Bar 36-seat club lounge car to the Santa Fe. This car was assigned to the EL CAPITAN pool of cars and in later years probably operated in most Santa Fe long distance trains.

24-SEAT LOUNGE BAR 36-SEAT CLUB LUNGE CAR Pullman Standard November 1950 (Built for and assigned to EL CAPITAN pool)

1346

American Car & Foundry delivered a single VISTA series sleeper-lounge-observation to the Santa Fe in November 1950 for assignment to the SUPER CHIEF pool giving that trains pool six cars with VISTA series names. This was the only observation car built by AC&F for the Santa Fe. The new car was named VISTA CLUB and was immediately assigned to one of the SUPER CHIEF train sets.

1-DOUBLE BEDROOM 4- DRAWING ROOM 17-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION American Car & Foundry November 1950 Plan: 9013 Lot: 3360 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF pool)

VISTA CLUB

In November – December 1950 the Santa Fe received seven 36-seat dining cars 600-606 for assignment to the SUPER CHIEF pool. These cars built by Pullman Standard were the last word in interior décor befitting a train of the SUPER CHIEFS stature.

36-SEAT DINING CARS Pullman Standard November – December 1950 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF pool)

600 – 606

The piece-de-resistance was the new car just ahead of the new diners the Pleasure domes with their famous Turquoise Room, a private dining room that soon became the private domain for Hollywood’s motion picture industry. The Turquoise room was located in the short end of the car ahead of the dome, and was trainlined directly ahead of the trailing dining car. In this way up to twelve passengers at a time could be served from the dining car. The six cars delivered in December 1950 by Pullman Standard to the Santa Fe were short domes and the seating in the dome level was less than other short domes that normally held 24. The sixteen seats were arranged eight on either side of the center aisle with a pair of seats facing forward followed by four single swivel parlor seats and another pair of seats followed facing the rear. This seating arrangement was repeated on the other side of the center aisle in the dome for the total of sixteen seats. Beneath the dome in the cars depressed section was located a bar and cocktail lounge with seating for eight. Behind the stairway leading to the dome was a desk and char supplied with SUPER CHIEF stationary. The large main level area to the rear of the dome featured a lounge seating 21. The Santa Fe originally planned to name these cars PLAZA ACOMA, PLAZA LAGUNA, PLAZA LAMY, PLAZA SANTA FE, PLAZA TAOS, and PLAZA ZUNI but instead they were delivered with numbers 500-505.

16-SEAT PLEASURE DOME 12-SEAT TURQUOISE ROOM BAR 8-SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE 21-SEAT LOUGE CARS Pullman Standard December 1950 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF)

500 – 505

In March 1952 the Santa Fe Topeka shops remodeled the 24-seat Lounge Bar 36-seat Club Lounge car 1396 into a 24-seat Lounge Buffet 24-seat dining car and kept the same number. This work was completed and the car was assigned to one of the KANSAS CITY CHIEF consists replacing a heavyweight Centennial lounge car.
In August 1952 Topeka shops shopped the 24-seat Lounge Bar 36-seat Club Lounge car 1397 and converted it to a 24-seat Lounge Buffet 24-seat dining car and assigned the car to the other overnight KANSAS CITY CHIEF consist.
In August 1953 Topeka shops were busy converting 52-seat coach 3153 into the roads only Lunch-O-Mat vending machine car. Coach seating was reduced to 24 and two smaller restrooms replaced the two larger restrooms that were located one at each of the car. The smaller restrooms were located at the coach end of the car. Where one of the large restrooms had been removed new vending machines dispensing sandwiches and cold foods, cold drinks, coffee and hot chocolate, warm dishes that could be micro-waved and plastic utensils were all available at that end of the car. There were four tables two on either side of the aisle with seating for four next. Many passengers returned to their coach seats with their food. A car attendant kept the four tables and sixteen chairs clean. The car was assigned to the Albuquerque – El Paso EL PASOAN replacing an earlier diner on this train that operated a round trip daily. When the EL PASOAN schedule was transferred to the Santa Fe’s two Budd RDC’s the 3153 was transferred to Richmond for assignment to the GOLDEN GATE.
In December 1953 and January 1954 the Topeka shops were busy rebuilding nine Lunch Counter Dining cars 1569 – 1577 into 13 seat Lunch Counter 8-seat Dining 6-Crew Dormitory cars with no change of numbers. These cars were assigned to the GRAND CANYON after conversion.
Good news came to the EL CAPITAN-CHICAGOAN-KANSAS CITYAN in early 1954 when Budd delivered eight Big Domes for these trains. The dome level of these cars featured 57-coach seats and 18-lounge seats at tables. Beneath the dome was located was located the Nurses Room a Bar and 28-seat Lounge. In 1956 when the EL CAPITAN became Hi-Level the six Big-Domes that had been assigned to the EL CAPITAN pool were transferred to the CHIEF. Later when the CHIEF was discontinued three of the Big-Domes were transferred to the TEXAS CHIEF between Chicago and Houston.

BIG DOME 57-COACH SEAT 18-SEAT LOUNGE DOME LEVEL NURSES ROOM BAR 28-SEAT LOUNGE LOWER LEVEL Budd Company January – March 1954 (Built for and assigned to EL CAPITAN-CHICAGOAN-KANSAS CITYAN pool later six assigned to CHIEF)

506 – 513

Six additional Big Dome cars 550 -555 with the same upper level seating were delivered to the Santa Fe in April – May 1954 for a new Santa Fe train the SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF introduced that year. These Big-Domes and 48-seat Leg-rest coaches were the only new cars built for this new daily train between Chicago and San Francisco. This was also the only CHIEF to operate via the Santa Fe’s southern route through the Texas and Oklahoma panhandles. The lower level of cars 550-555 featured a bar and 8-seat lounge only with the rest of the lower level occupied by a twelve crew dormitory. These cars remained in SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF service until the start of Amtrak.

BIG-DOME 57-SEAT COACH 18-SEAT LOUNGE DOME LEVEL BAR 9-SEAT LOUNGE 12-CREW DORMITORY LOWER LEVEL Budd Company April – May 1954 (Built for and assigned to SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF)

550 – 555

In October 1954 the Topeka shops remodeled lunch counter dining car 1501 into a cafeteria car removing the lunch counter and replacing it with a cafeteria serving area. The car remained in GOLDEN GATE service after rebuilding.
Big news came to the Santa Fe in 1956 with the introduction of the Hi-Level EL CAPITANS. Except for the Baggage cars all cars were Hi-Level having two levels each comprised of Transition coaches to go from standard level cars to the Hi-Levels, Hi-Level Coaches, Hi-Level Diners, and Hi-Level Lounge cars.
Budd delivered the six Hi-Level Bar Lounge cars 575-580 in May – June 1956 to the Santa Fe. The Lounge area of the upper level featured double windows similar to dome windows except there was no forward vision. There was a News-stand full service bar and small restrooms located at one end of the upper level with lounge seating for 60 passengers occupying the remaining upper level. The lower level of the Hi-Level Lounge cars featured a Bar and 26-seat lounge. The lower level Bar provided light snacks as well as adult beverages.

HI-LEVEL “TOP OF THE CAP” WITH NEWS-STAND BAR and 60-SEAT LOUNGE UPPER LEVEL “KACHINA” COFFEE SHOP BUFFET 26-SEAT LOUNGE LOWER LEVEL CARS Budd Company May-June 1956 (Built for Hi-Level EL CAPITAN trains)

575 – 580

The other Hi-Level feature cars built for the 1956 EL CAPITANS was the Dining cars. These cars featured Dining seating for 80-passengers on the upper level with two waiter stations where food was delivered to the waiters by Dumbwaiters from the kitchen level below. The upper level waiter stations also carried all of the condiments and linens for meals. The lower level Kitchen was the largest in train service until the Amtrak Superliner diners entered service. These cars were so heavy they rode on six-wheel trucks to distribute the weight over the rails.

HI-LEVEL DINING CARS 80-DINING SEATS UPPER LEVEL KITCHEN LOWER LEVEL Budd Company June – July 1956 (Built for and assigned to 1956 EL CAPITANS)

650 – 656

In June and July 1956 the Topeka shops rebuilt five Baggage – Dormitory – Lounge cars into Baggage 21-crew dormitory cars for the CHIEF pool. These cars were completed in June 1956:
1380 SAN MIGUEL
1381 SAN MARCIAL
The following cars were completed in July 1956.
1383 SAN SIMON
1385 SAN PASCAL
1386 SAN CLEMENTE
In 1957 the Topeka shops cycled the SUPER CHIEF Pleasure domes 500 - 505 and SUPER CHIEF Dining cars 600 – 606 through a complete refurbishing before returning to their SUPER CHIEF assignments.
The majority of Santa Fe streamlined feature cars went on to Amtrak where even today five of the former EL CAPITAN lounge cars still remain in service operating in the Amtrak COAST STARLIGHT.
Most of the Santa Fe big domes still operate in summer service in Alaska for one of the cruise ship operators. This was after they operated for a number of years in the Auto-Train. One of the Big-Domes was retained by Santa Fe for executive train service and today is part of the BN-SF business fleet joining one of the former GN Great-Domes in this service.

TTFN AL:

[siberianmo]

THEME FOR THE DAY - Santa Fe

A song from the past

"On the Atchison, Topeka and the Santa Fe"

"On the Atchison, Topeka and the Santa Fe" was introduced by Judy Garland in the 1945 MGM film "The Harvey Girls". The song won an Oscar in 1946. It was also a big hit for Bing Crosby who recorded it Feb. 17, 1944, although the recording was not released until June 1945. But Johnny Mercer's recording was the biggest hit. It reached #1 in the summer of 1945.

- words by Johnny Mercer, music by Harry Warren
- lyrics as recorded by Judy Garland September 10, 1945 on Decca 23458 (78 r.p.m. single)


What a lovely trip
I'm feeling so fresh and alive
And I'm so glad to arrive
It's all so grand
It's easy to see you don't need a palace
To feel like Alice in Wonderland

Back in Ohio where I come from
I've done a lot of dreamin' and I've travelled some
But I never thought I'd see the day
When I ever took a ride on the Santa Fe
(wanna take a ride on the Santa Fe)

I would lean across my window sill
And hear the whistle echoin' across the hill
Then I'd watch the lights till they fade away
On the Atchison, Topeka and the Santa Fe

What a thrill (what a great big wonderful thrill)
With the wheels a-singin' "westward ho"
Right from the day I heard them start
'Cross the Kansas plains from New Mexico
I guess I've got a little gypsy in my heart

When I'm old and grey and settled down
If I ever get a chance to sneak away from town
Then I'll spend my busman's holiday
On the Atchison, Topeka and the Santa Fe

All aboard! (we came across the country lickety-split)
(rollin' ninety miles an hour)
I can't believe I'm here at last
Woo-oo-ooo!
(when you go travellin', it's best for you
to take the Atchison, Topeka and the Santa Fe!)
I can't believe that anything could go so fast

Then you pull that throttle, whistle blows
A-huffin' and a-puffin' and away she goes
All aboard for California*, hey!
On the Atchison (on the Atchison)
On the Atchison, Topeka (on the Atchison, Topeka)
On the Atchison, Topeka (on the Atchison, Topeka)
On the Atchison, Topeka and the Santa Fe!

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*California pronounced "californ-eye-ay"
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Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

THEME FOR THE DAY - Santa Fe

[siberianmo]

Now arriving on track #1 …..
Railroads from Yesteryear! Number Six


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Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway

PART II of II


Paint schemes & markings

Steam locomotives

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Santa Fe #5000, the 2-10-4 "Madame Queen," waits on a Ricardo, New Mexico siding to meet an eastbound train in March, 1943.


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Santa Fe #3751, a restored 4-8-4 originally built by Baldwin Locomotive Works in 1927, passes through San Bernardino in January, 1999.

Diesel locomotives, passenger

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The 1926 Chief "drumhead" logo.

Santa Fe's first set of diesel-electric passenger locomotives was placed in service on the Super Chief in 1936, and consisted of a pair of blunt-nosed units (EMD 1800 hp B-B) designated as Nos. 1 and 1A. The upper portion of the sides and ends of the units were painted gold, while the lower section was a dark olive green color; an olive stripe also ran along the sides and widened as it crossed the front of the locomotive.

Riveted to the sides of the units were metal plaques bearing a large "Indian Head" logo, which owed its origin to the 1926 Chief "drumhead" logo. "Super Chief" was emblazoned on a plaque located on the front. The rooftop was light slate gray, rimmed by a red pinstripe. This unique combination of colors was referred to as the Golden Olive paint scheme. Before entering service, Sterling McDonald's General Motors "Styling Department" augmented the look with the addition of red and blue striping along both the sides and ends of the units in order to enhance their appearance.

In a little over a year the EMD E1 (a new and improved streamlined locomotive) would be pulling Super Chief and other passenger consists, resplendent in the now-famous Warbonnet paint scheme devised by Leland Knickerbocker of the GM "Art and Color Section." Reminiscent of a Native American ceremonial headdress, the scheme consisted of a red "bonnet" which wrapped around the front of the unit, that was bordered by a yellow stripe and black pinstripe. The extent of the bonnet varied according to the locomotive model, and was largely determined by the shape and length of the carbody. The remainder of the unit was either painted silver or was comprised of stainless steel panels.

All units wore a nose emblem consisting of an elongated yellow "Circle & Cross" emblem with integral "tabs" on the nose and the sides, outlined and accented with black pinstripes, with variances according to the locomotive model. "SANTA FE" was displayed on the horizontal limb of the cross in black, Art Deco-style lettering. This emblem has come to be known as the "cigar band" due to its uncanny resemblance to the same. On all but the "Erie-built" units (which were essentially run as a demonstrator set), U28CGs, U30CGs, and FP45s, a three-part yellow and black stripe ran up the nose behind the band.

A "Circle & Cross" motif (consisting of a yellow field, with red quadrants, outlined in black) was painted around the side windows on "as-delivered" E1 units. Similar designs were added to E3s, E6s, the DL109/110 locomotive set, and ATSF 1A after it was rebuilt and repainted. The sides of the units typically bore the words "SANTA FE" in black, 5"– or 9"–high extra extended Railroad Roman letters, as well as the "Indian Head" logo, with a few notable exceptions.

Railway identity on diesel locomotives in passenger service:

Loco Type.."Indian Head".."Circle & Cross".."Santa Fe"..Logotype…..Starting Year…..Comments

ATSF 1 and 1A Yes Yes* Yes No 1937 "Circle & Cross" added to No. 1 after rebuild in May, 1938

EMD E1, E3, and E6 Yes* Yes Yes No 1937 "Indian Head" added to B units at a later date

ALCO DL109/110 Yes* Yes Yes No 1941 No "Indian Head" on B unit

EMD FT Yes* No Yes No 1941 "Indian Head" added to B units at a later date

ALCO PA and PB Yes* No Yes No 1946 "Indian Head" added to B units at a later date

EMD F3 Yes* No Yes No 1946 "Indian Head" on B units only

FM Erie-built Yes* No Yes* No 1947 "Indian Head" and "SANTA FE" on A units only

EMD F7 Yes* No Yes* No 1949 "Indian Head" on B units only; "SANTA FE" added in 1954

EMD E8 Yes* No Yes No 1952 "Indian Head" on B units only

GE U28CG No No No Yes 1967 "Santa Fe" logotype in large, red "billboard"-style letters

GE U30CG No No Yes* No 1967 5"-high non-extended "SANTA FE" letters

EMD FP45 No No Yes* No 1967 9"-high "SANTA FE" letters

Source: Pelouze, Richard W. (1997). Trademarks of the Santa Fe Railway. The Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society, Inc., Highlands Ranch, CO. pp. 47–50.

In later years, Santa Fe adapted the scheme to its gas-electric "doodlebug" units. The standard for all of Santa Fe's passenger locomotives, the Warbonnet is considered by many to be the most recognized corporate logo in the railroad industry. Early in the Amtrak Era, Santa Fe embarked on a program to paint over the red bonnet on its F units that were still engaged in hauling passenger consists with yellow (also called Yellowbonnets) or dark blue (nicknamed Bluebonnets) as it no longer wanted to project the image of a passenger carrier.

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Santa Fe #300C, an EMD F7A unit photographed in 1972, wears the conventional Warbonnet scheme. Due to space limitations, the "Indian Head" logo was omitted from FTA/F3A/F7A units.


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An EMD F7B unit, photographed in December, 1976 carries the Santa Fe "Indian Head" logo. "SANTA FE" was added to FTB/F3B/F7B units, below and just behind the icon, in 1954.


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A GE U28CG displays a variation in the standard Warbonnet passenger scheme. Note that the "Santa Fe" logotype is displayed in large, red "billboard"-style letters and the lack of yellow and black striping.


(copied from public domain)
Santa Fe #95, an EMD FP45 decked out in Warbonnet colors, including the traditional "cigar band" nose emblem. Its "as-delivered" paint job had "SANTA FE" in black, 9"-high Railroad Roman letters along each side.


Diesel locomotives, freight

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A museum restoration of Kennecott Copper Corporation #103 (an Alco model RS-2) now bears the #2098 and the AT&SF Zebra Stripe paint scheme.

Diesel locomotives used in freight service (with the exception of streamlined units) between 1934 and 1960 were painted black, with a thin white or silver accent stripe and diagonal white or silver stripes painted on the ends and cab sides to increase the visibility at grade crossings (typically referred to as the Zebra Stripe scheme). The letters "A.T.& S.F." were applied in a small font to the sides of the unit just above the accent stripe, with the standard blue and white "SANTA FE" logo below.

The years 1960 to 1972 saw non-streamlined freight locomotives sporting the Billboard color scheme (sometimes referred to as the Pinstripe scheme) wherein the units were predominantly dark blue with yellow ends and trim, with a single yellow accent pinstripe. The words "Santa Fe" were applied in yellow in a large serif font (logotype) to the sides of the locomotive below the accent stripe (save for yard switchers which displayed the "SANTA FE" in small yellow letters above the accent stripe, somewhat akin to the Zebra Stripe arrangement).


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Santa Fe #543, a preserved FM H-12-44TS road switcher, displays the switcher version of the blue and yellow Billboard paint scheme in November, 1986.

From 1972 to 1996, and even on into the BNSF era, the company adopted a new paint scheme often known among railfans as the Yellowbonnet which placed more yellow on the locomotives (reminiscent of the company's retired Warbonnet scheme), the goal again to ensure higher visibility at grade crossings. The truck assemblies, previously colored black, now received silver paint.

In June, 1989 Santa Fe resurrected the Warbonnet and applied the scheme in a modified fashion to two EMD FP45 units, #5992 and #5998 (this time, displaying "Santa Fe" in large, "billboard"-style red letters across the side). The units were re-designated as #101 and #102 and reentered service on July 4, 1989 as part of the new "Super Fleet" (the first Santa Fe units to be so decorated for freight service). The six remaining FP45 units were thereafter similarly repainted and renumbered. From that point forward, all new locomotives wore the red and silver, and many retained this scheme after the Burlington Northern Santa Fe merger, some with "BNSF" displayed across their sides.

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Santa Fe #3332, an EMD GP35, displays the blue and yellow Billboard freight color scheme as it climbs out of the Cajon Junction in 1977.


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EMD FP45s, such as Santa Fe #5923 (shown here in 1972) wore the Billboard blue and yellow in much the same manner as Santa Fe's F units did.


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Santa Fe #2509, a CF7 locomotive that has been repainted in the Yellowbonnet freight livery, pauses in Santa Ana, California in 1976.


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A trio of General Electric "Dash 8" locomotives are resplendent in the silver and red Warbonnet paint scheme of the Santa Fe's "Super Fleet" (SRS) in October, 1994.


Several experimental and commemorative paint schemes emerged during the Santa Fe's diesel era. One combination was developed and partially implemented in anticipation of a merger between the parent companies of the Santa Fe and Southern Pacific (SP) railroads in 1984. The red, yellow, and black paint scheme (with large red block letters "SF" on the sides and ends of the units) of the proposed Southern Pacific Santa Fe Railroad (SPSF) has come to be somewhat derisively known among railfans as the Kodachrome livery due to the similarity in colors to the boxes containing slide film sold by the Eastman Kodak Company under the same name (Kodachrome film was one of the preferred brands in use by railfans). A common joke among railfans is that "SPSF" really stands for "Shouldn't Paint So Fast." Though the merger application was subsequently denied by the ICC, locomotives bearing this color scheme can still be found occasionally in lease service.

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Santa Fe #9536 carries the experimental Kodachrome paint scheme in April, 1988.

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Santa Fe #5704, one of five EMD model SD45-2s specially decorated in red, white, and blue to commemorate America's Bicentennial, leads the Super C high-speed intermodal train.

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Waters, Lawrence Leslie (1950). Steel Trails to Santa Fe, University of Kansas Press, Lawrence, Kansas.


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[Trainnut484]

Good morning Tom and gang. I'll have a cup of java for and a danish from the bakery if there's one still left. Great job on the Santa Fe theme and nostalgia pieces [tup]. What most people don't know is that the passenger train photo in the "Along Your Way" poster, and similar advertising posters, is a reversal of the actual image. The crewman leaning out the window is the Engineer, and was taken by the Santa Fe for publicity, and pictures of it hung in depots and offices all across the system.

Al, great job on the equipment listings [tup]

The Super Chief began service in 1935 with heavyweight cars. It was consolidated with the all-coach EL CAPITAN on Jan. 12, 1958, but retained the Super Chief's numbers and schedules. Thirty six years after inauguration, Super Chief service was transferred to Amtrak.

I would post a pic or two, but this computer I'm on is having a hiccup. The pics I posted on Sunday were done from the laptop. The wife has it now, which it's hers to begin with, for her class finals tonight.

Keep the Santa Fe theme comin'

Russell

[siberianmo]

THEME FOR THE DAY - Santa Fe

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #24

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Santa Fe (AT&SF) from a 1951 advertisement in my personal collection.
first Posted on page 163


Enjoy the Pleasure Dome only dome car between Chicago and Los Angeles


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . new Super Chief . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The restful observation lounge . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . “top of the Super, next to the stars” . . .
. . . . . . is only one of many features you will enjoy on the . . . . . .
new Super Chief, the train that sets a new world standard
. . . . of travel. Daily between Chicago and Los Angeles. . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Santa Fe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

THEME FOR THE DAY - Santa Fe

[siberianmo]

THEME FOR THE DAY - Santa Fe

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #23

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Santa Fe (AT&SF) from a 1950 advertisement in my personal collection.
first Posted on page 162


You arrive and depart Down-Town on the Santa Fe – not out in the country

When you’re gong somewhere, you want to be there when you arrive.

Go Santa Fe. You leave on your trip when you plan to leave.

You arrive relaxed, refreshed, at a convenient station right downtown, close to your hotel or office.

Travel Santa Fe and you choose accommodations to suit yourself. You get privacy as you like it. You have room to roam around when you want it. You enjoy wonderful Fred Harvey meals.

You be the judge. Go Santa Fe all the way!

Ride great trains through a great country

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Santa Fe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

THEME FOR THE DAY - Santa Fe

[siberianmo]

THEME FOR THE DAY - Santa Fe

Santa Fe Trail and Santa Fe Route Map


Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

THEME FOR THE DAY - Santa Fe

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for coffee and a Crumpet.

Have waited with baited breath for the Santa Fe special. At last the first part is here and I am not disappointed.

As a special tribute for a special railroad todays Streamliner Corner is the most famous Santa Fe train of them all the SUPER CHIEF.This train has always held a special place in my heart. Appropriate that it be honored on Valentines day. It truly was the train of the stars.

PASSSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER # 61

SUPER CHIEF
By Al

SUPER CHIEF AT&SF Trains 17-18 June 15, 1937 Chicago – Los Angeles weekly train each way 2,224 miles 39 hours 45 minutes

The Santa Fe’s most famous train the SUPER CHIEF made its first run as a lightweight streamlined diesel powered train on May 18, 1937. The new streamlined SUPER CHIEFS matching diesels with new War bonnet paint scheme, that later would become the most famous face in the diesel age were not ready for the inaugural trip. Instead two of the Box Cab Diesels that had been assigned to the heavyweight SUPER CHIEF were assigned for the streamlined SUPER CHIEFS inaugural trip. The SUPER CHIEF was an extra fare extra fast all sleeping car train between Chicago and Los Angeles sailing five times a month from both terminals. The SUPER CHIEF ran off the miles between Chicago and Los Angeles in 39-3/4 hours matching the time keeping of the C&NW – UP CITY OF LOS ANGELES Streamliner. But instead of using an articulated lightweight streamlined train with less than standard size equipment, the Santa Fe SUPER CHIEF was an eight car consist of standard dimension lightweight streamlined cars without articulation. The all Budd built stainless steel consist would be the only all lightweight streamlined sleeping car train built by Budd as Pullman would demand that if Railroads wished to operate sleeping cars in Pullman operation they would have to be built by Pullman Standard. This would later lead to a lawsuit against Pullman for monopolistic practices and they would be forced to sell the Pullman Sleeping Car operation to the operating Railroads themselves. This separated the car manufacturing division of Pullman Standard from the operating division of Pullman.
The Budd Company outdid themselves in the interior appointments of these beautiful stainless steel cars using exotic wood veneers from around the world tastefully decorated in keeping with the SUPER CHIEFS Southwestern Indian theme. The eight-car consist provided sleeping accommodations for 104 passengers per sailing in the four sleeping cars and sleeper lounge Observation of the SUPER CHIEF. The other cars in the consist were a Baggage Car, a 12 Crew Dormitory Barber Shop Bar 25 seat Lounge Car and a 36 seat Dining Car. The sleeping car capacity of the CITY OF LOS ANGELES was 84 but 66 of these were either upper or lower berths located in Sections, while the SUPER CHIEF only offered 32 spaces in upper and lower berths with all remaining car space in Bedrooms, Compartments, and Drawing Rooms. The SUPER CHIEF was truly a Super train and the $10.00 extra fare reflected this. The second Box Cab Unit listed in the inaugural train set was leased from EMC and was numbered 512 but Santa Fe renumbered it 1C while in Santa Fe service.

Except for the Diesels the SUPER CHIEF consist was constructed by the Budd Company of Philadelphia. For the SUPER CHIEFS inaugural run the diesel intended for the train were sidelined and the boxcab diesels built to pull the heavyweight SUPER CHIEF substituted..

CONSIST
Intended Inaugural Power
2A EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

2B EMC E1B 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

Actual Inaugural Power
1A EMC Boxcab 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Unit

1C EMC Boxcab 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Unit (This was an EMC Demonstrator numbered 512)

3430 Baggage Car

ISLETA 8-Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment Sleeping Car

TAOS 6-Double Bedroom 2-Compartments 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

1370 ACOMA 12-Crew Dormitory Barber Shop Buffet 24-Seat Lounge Car

1474 COCHITI 36-Seat Dining Car

ORAIBI 6-Double Bedroom 2-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

LAGUNA 8-Section 1-Drawing Room 2-Compartment Sleeping Car

NAVAJO 2-Drawing Room 1-Double Bedroom 3-Compartment 13-Seat Lounge Observation

In February 1938 the 3430 was withdrawn from the SUPER CHIEF and two new cars replaced it.

These two cars were trainlined in the following order directly behind the power.

1386 SAN CLEMENTE Baggage 5-Crew Dormitory Bar 30-Seat Lounge Car

TUBA 17-Roomette Sleeping Car

On February 26, 1938 the Santa Fe introduced a second SUPER CHIEF consist in order to provide twice weekly round trip service. Budd provided the feature cars and all sleeping cars were from Pullman Standard. The second SUPER CHIEF began service with sleeping cars borrowed from the CHIEF pool until those sleeping cars built for the SUPER CHIEF were completed in June and July 1938. The February SUPER CHIEF consist is shown first with the borrowed CHIEF sleeping cars followed by the SUPER CHIEF consist with the sleeping cars built for that train.

3L EMC E1A 1,800 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3A EMC E1B 1,800 hp Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

1387 SAN ACACIA Baggage 5-Crew Dormitory Bar 30-Seat Club Lounge Car

CHINLE 17-Roomette Sleeping Car

WUPATKI 8-Section 2-Compartment 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

KLETHLA 4-Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1377 AGATHLA 12-Crew Dormitory Barber Shop Bar 24-Seat Club Lounge Car

1485 AWATOBI 36-Seat Dining Car

POLACCA 4-Compartment 2-Drawing
Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

YAMPAI 8-Section 2 Compartment 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CHAISTLA 4-Drawing Room 1 –Double Bedroom 17-Seat Lounge Observation


CONSIST II 1938

3L EMC E1A 1,800 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3A EMC E1B 1,800 hp Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

1387 SAN ACACIA Baggage 5-Crew Dormitory Buffet 30-Seat Club Lounge Car

CHIMAYO 17-Roomette Sleeping Car

TALWIWI 8-Section 2-Compartment 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

TCHIREGE 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1377 AGATHLA 12-Crew Dormitory Barber Shop Bar 24-Seat Club Lounge Car

1485 AWATOBI 36-seat Dining Car

TSANKAWI 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

TYUONYI 8-Section 2-Compartment 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

PUYE 4-Drawing Room 1-Double Bedroom 17-Seat Lounge Observation

The SUPER CHIEF became a daily operation in each direction between Chicago and Los Angeles on February 29, 1948. Unlike the competing Union Pacific CITY OF LOS ANGELES that used prewar lightweight sleeping cars when it went to daily operation the Santa Fe SUPER CHIEF began daily service with all new lightweight sleeping cars assigned. As for the feature cars several of these were borrowed from the CHIEF pool forcing the CHIEFS to operate with several heavyweight cars in there consists. It would be November – December, 1950 before the SUPER CHIEF would receive its new Dining Cars and Pleasure Dome Lounge Cars. There were three new types of Sleeping cars built for and assigned to the daily SUPER CHIEFS in 1948. The REGAL series were 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars. The BLUE series were 10 Roomette 2 Compartment 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars and the VISTA series were 1 Double Bedroom 4 Drawing Room 17 seat Lounge Observations. Power for the postwar daily SUPER CHIEF train sets was EMD F3 A-B-B-A sets operating between Chicago and Los Angeles developing 6,000 hp total.

Example CONSIST

20L EMD F3A 1,500 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

20A EMD F3B 1,500 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

20B EMD F3B 1,500 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

20C EMD F3A 1,500 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

82 Baggage 30’Railway Post Office Car

1386 SAN CLEMENTE Baggage 5-Crew Dormitory Buffet 30-Seat Lounge Car

BLUE BAY 10-Roomette 2-Compartment 3-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

BLUE BELL 10-Roomette 2-Compartment 3-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

REGAL CENTER 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1390 Barber Shop Bar 27-Seat Lounge 12-Crew Dormitory Car

1484 36-Seat Dining Car

REGAL CITY 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

REGAL CREEK 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

BLUE FLAG 10-Roomette 2-Compartment 3-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

VISTA CANYON 1-Double Bedroom 4-Drawing Room 17-Seat Lounge Observation

The Santa Fe replaced the 1948 sleeping cars with all new sleeping cars and Dormitory Buffet Lounge Cars in November 1950 and new Dining and Pleasure Dome Lounge cars followed in December 1950. This gave the Santa Fe SUPER CHIEF the distinction of being only the second Chicago – west coast streamliner to operate daily with domes. At this time only the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR operated with domes to the west coast. The UP was operating domes between Seattle and Portland since September 1950 the former Train of Tomorrow cars in their trains 457-458. It would be two years before the Milwaukee Road OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA would operate domes daily from the Midwest to west coast.
Without a doubt the SUPER CHIEF was Super and the Santa Fe made sure it remained that way. The following is sample consist of Christmas 1950.

EXAMPLE CONSIST

40L EMD F7A 1,500 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

40A EMD F7B 1,500 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

40B EMD F7B 1,500 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

40C EMD F7A 1,500 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

82 Baggage 30’Railway Post Office Car

3408 Baggage Car

PINE ARROYO 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

PINE BEACH 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

REGAL ARMS 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

500 10-Seat Turquoise Room 16-Seat Pleasure Dome 10-Seat Under Dome Lounge 18-Seat Lounge Car

600 36-Seat Dining Car

REGAL CORPS 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

REGAL COURT 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

PINE BELL 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

VISTA CANYON 1-Double Bedroom 4-Drawing Room 17-Seat Lounge Observation

[siberianmo]

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Railroads from Yesteryear! Number Six


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Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway

PART I of II

Locale: Arizona, California, Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas

Reporting marks:
ATSF

Dates of operation: 1859 – 1995

Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)

Headquarters: Chicago, Illinois

The Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway (AAR reporting mark ATSF), often abbreviated as Santa Fe, was one of the largest railroads in the United States. The company was first chartered in February 1859. Although the railway was named in part for the capital of New Mexico, its main line never reached there as the terrain made it too difficult to lay the necessary tracks (Santa Fe was ultimately served by a branch line from Lamy, New Mexico). The Santa Fe's first tracks reached the Kansas/Colorado state line in 1873, and connected to Pueblo, Colorado in 1876. In order to help fuel the railroad's profitability, the Santa Fe set up real estate offices and sold farm land from the land grants that the railroad was awarded by Congress; these new farms would create a demand for transportation (both freight and passenger service) that was, quite conveniently, offered by the Santa Fe.

History

Startup and initial growth

Cyrus K. Holliday, the first president of the railroad.

The railroad's charter, written single-handedly by Cyrus K. Holliday in January 1859, was approved by the state's governor on February 11 of that year as the Atchison and Topeka Railroad Company for the purpose of building a rail line from Topeka, Kansas, to Santa Fe, New Mexico, and then on to the Gulf of Mexico. On May 3, 1863, two years after Kansas gained statehood, the railroad changed names to more closely match the aspirations of its founder to the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railroad. The railroad broke ground in Topeka on October 30, 1868 and started building westward where one of the first construction tasks was to cross the Kaw River. The first section of track opened on April 26, 1869 (less than a month prior to completion of the First Transcontinental Railroad) with special trains between Topeka and Pauline. The distance was only 6 miles (10 km), but the Wakarusa Creek Picnic Special train took passengers over the route for celebration in Pauline.

Crews continued working westward, reaching Dodge City on September 5, 1872. With this connection, the Santa Fe was able to compete for cattle transportation with the Kansas Pacific Railway. Construction continued, and the Santa Fe opened the last section of track between Topeka and the Colorado/Kansas border on December 23, 1873. The Santa Fe's tracks reached Pueblo, Colorado on March 1, 1876. Serving Pueblo opened a number of new freight opportunities for the railroad as it now could haul coal from Colorado eastward.

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An ATSF passenger train in operation circa 1895.

Building across Kansas and eastern Colorado may have been technologically simple as there weren't many large natural obstacles in the way (certainly not as many as the railroad was about to encounter further west), but the Santa Fe found it almost economically impossible because of the sparse population in the area. To combat this problem, the Santa Fe set up real estate offices in the area and vigorously promoted settlement across Kansas on the land that was granted to the railroad by Congress in 1863. The Santa Fe offered discounted passenger fares to anyone who travelled west on the railroad to inspect the land; if the land was subsequently purchased by the traveller, the railroad applied the passenger's ticket price toward the sale of the land.

Now that the railroad had built across the plains and had a customer base providing income for the firm, it was time for the railroad to tackle the difficult terrain of the Rocky Mountains.

Crossing the Rockies, competition with the Rio Grande

Construction over the Rocky Mountains was slow, difficult and went as far as armed conflict with competitors such as the Denver and Rio Grande Railroad in Colorado and New Mexico, and after capturing Raton Pass, the Southern Pacific Railroad in Arizona and California.

The troubles for the railroad were more than just skirmishes with competitors. In the late 1880s, George C. Magoun, who had worked his way to become Chairman of the Board of Directors for the railroad, was progressively losing his own health. In 1889 the railroad's stock price, which was closely linked in the public's eye with the successes of the railroad's chairman, fell from nearly $140 per share to around $20 per share. Magoun's health continued to deteriorate along with the stock price and Magoun died on December 20, 1893. The Santa Fe entered receivership three days later on December 23, 1893, with J. W. Reinhart, John J. McCook and Joseph C. Wilson appointed as receivers.

Expansion through mergers

A brief look at some key figures comparing the railroad's extent between 1870 and 1945 shows just how much the railroad had grown:

…………………………………………….1870…………………1945

Gross operating revenue………………$182,580…………….$528,080,530
Total track length..……………………...62 miles (100 km)…..13,115 miles (21,107 km)
Freight carried……………………………98,920 tons………….59,565,100 tons
Passengers carried……………………..33,630……………….11,264,000
Locomotives owned………………………6..…………………….1,759
Unpowered rolling stock owned……….141…………………….81,974 freight cars
….………………………………………………………………….1,436 passenger cars

(Source: Santa Fe Railroad (1945), Along Your Way, Rand McNally, Chicago, Illinois).

The failed SPSF merger

The Southern Pacific Santa Fe Railroad (SPSF) was a proposed merger between the parent companies of the Southern Pacific and Santa Fe railroads announced on December 23, 1983. As a part of the joining of the two firms, all of the rail and non-rail assets owned by Santa Fe Industries and the Southern Pacific Transportation Company was placed under the control of a holding company, the Santa Fe–Southern Pacific Corporation. The merger was subsequently denied by the Interstate Commerce Commission (ICC) on the basis that it would create too many duplicate routes.

The companies were so confident that the merger would be approved they began repainting locomotives and non-revenue rolling stock in a new unified paint scheme. After the ICC's denial, railfans joked that SPSF really stood for "Shouldn't Paint So Fast". While the Southern Pacific was sold off, all of the California real estate holdings were consolidated in a new company, Catellus Development Corporation, making it the State's largest private land owner. Some time later, Catellus would purchase the Union Pacific Railroad's interest in the Los Angeles Union Passenger Terminal (LAUPT).

Merger into BNSF

On December 31, 1996 the ATSF merged with the Burlington Northern Railroad to form the Burlington Northern and Santa Fe Railway. Some of the challenges resulting from the joining of the two companies included the establishment of a common dispatching system, the unionization of Santa Fe's non-union dispatchers, and incorporating the Santa Fe's train identification codes throughout.

Company officers

Presidents of the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway:

• Cyrus K. Holliday: 1860–1863
• Samuel C. Pomeroy: 1863–1868
• William F. Nast: September 1868
• H. C. Lord: 1868–1869
• Henry Keyes: 1869–1870
• Ginery Twichell: 1870–1873
• Henry Strong: 1873–1874
• Thomas Nickerson: 1874–1880
• T. Jefferson Coolidge: 1880–1881
• William Barstow Strong: 1881–1889
• Allen Manvel: 1889–1893
• Joseph Reinhart: 1893–1894
• Aldace F. Walker: 1894–1895
• Edward Payson Ripley: 1896–1920
• William Benson Storey: 1920–1933
• Samuel T. Bledsoe: 1933–1939
• Edward J. Engel: 1939–1944
• Fred G. Gurley: 1944–1958
• Ernest S. Marsh: 1958–1967
• John Shedd Reed: 1967–1986
• W. John Swartz: 1986–1989
• Mike Haverty: 1989–1995

Passenger train service

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Santa Fe No. 2A, an EMD E1 is shown pulling the Super Chief on the cover of the railroad's 1945 promotional publication "Along Your Way."

The Santa Fe was widely known for its passenger train service in the first half of the 20th century. The Santa Fe introduced many innovations in passenger rail travel, among these the "Pleasure Domes" of the Super Chief (billed as the "...only dome car[s] between Chicago and Los Angeles" when they were introduced in 1951) and the "Big Dome"-Lounge cars and double-decker "Hi-Level" cars of the El Capitan, which entered revenue service in 1954. The Santa Fe was among the first railroads to add dining cars to its passenger train consists in 1891, following the examples of the Northern Pacific and Union Pacific Railroads. Dining along the Santa Fe was often a memorable experience, whether it be on-board in a dining car, or at one of the many Harvey House restaurants that were strategically located throughout the system.

In general, the same train name was used for both directions of a particular train. The exceptions to this rule included the Chicagoan and Kansas Cityan trains (both names referred to the same service, but the Chicagoan was the eastbound version, while the Kansas Cityan was the westbound version), and the Eastern Express and West Texas Express. All of the Santa Fe's trains that terminated in Chicago did so at Dearborn Station. Trains terminating in Los Angeles arrived at Santa Fe's La Grande Station until May, 1939 when the Los Angeles Union Passenger Terminal (LAUPT) was opened.

To reach smaller communities, the railroad often operated Rail Diesel Cars (RDCs) for communities on the railroad, and bus connections were provided throughout the system via Santa Fe Trailways buses to other locations. These smaller trains generally were not named, only the train numbers were used to differentiate services.

Regular revenue trains

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The Santa Fe often adorned the ends of its observation cars with "drumhead" logos bearing the names of its trains. In terminals such as Dearborn Station, bumper posts carried the logos as well, a practice that continued long after the railroad removed observations from its roster.

The Santa Fe operated the following named trains on regular schedules:

• The Angel: San Francisco, California - Los Angeles, California - San Diego, California
• The Angelo: San Angelo, Texas - Fort Worth, Texas (on the GC&SF)
• The Antelope: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - Kansas City, Missouri
• Atlantic Express: Los Angeles, California - Kansas City, Missouri (this was the eastbound version of the Los Angeles Express).
• California Express: Chicago, Illinois - Kansas City, Missouri - Los Angeles, California
• California Fast Mail: Chicago, Illinois - Los Angeles, California - San Francisco, California
• California Limited: Chicago, Illinois - San Francisco, California (via Los Angeles)
• California Special: Los Angeles, California - Clovis, New Mexico
• Cavern: Clovis, New Mexico - Carlsbad, New Mexico (connected with the Scout).
• Centennial State: Denver, Colorado - Chicago, Illinois
• Central Texas Express: Sweetwater, Texas - Lubbock, Texas
• Chicagoan: Kansas City, Missouri - Chicago, Illinois (this was the eastbound version of the Kansas Cityan passenger train).
• Chicago Express: Newton, Kansas - Chicago, Illinois
• Chicago Fast Mail: San Francisco, California - Los Angeles, California - Chicago, Illinois
• Chicago-Kansas City Flyer: Chicago, Illinois - Kansas City, Missouri
• The Chief: Chicago, Illinois - Los Angeles, California
• Eastern Express: Lubbock, Texas - Amarillo, Texas (this was the eastbound version of the West Texas Express).
• El Capitan: Chicago, Illinois - Los Angeles, California
• El Pasoan: El Paso, Texas - Albuquerque, New Mexico
• El Tovar: Los Angeles, California - Chicago, Illinois (via Belen)
• Fargo Fast Mail/Express: Belen, New Mexico - Amarillo, Texas - Kansas City, Missouri - Chicago, Illinois
• Fast Fifteen: Newton, Kansas - Galveston, Texas
• Fast Mail Express: San Francisco, California (via Los Angeles) - Chicago, Illinois
• Golden Gate: Oakland, California - Bakersfield, California
• Grand Canyon Limited: Chicago, Illinois - Los Angeles, California
• The Hopi: Los Angeles, California - Chicago, Illinois
• Kansas Cityan: Chicago, Illinois - Kansas City, Missouri (this was the westbound version of the Chicagoan passenger train).
• Kansas City Chief: Kansas City, Missouri - Chicago, Illinois
• Los Angeles Express: Chicago, Illinois - Los Angeles, California (this was the westbound version of the Atlantic Express).
• The Missionary: San Francisco, California - Belen, New Mexico - Amarillo, Texas - Kansas City, Missouri - Chicago, Illinois
• Navajo: Chicago, Illinois - San Francisco, California (via Los Angeles)

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All streamlined and special trains were placed on public display on the Pacific Electric tracks adjacent to Los Angeles' Exposition Park. Ventriloquist Edgar Bergen and his "sidekick" Mortimer Snerd pose in the cab of Santa Fe #51L, an ALCO PA unit, to mark its delivery to the railroad in 1946.

• Oil Flyer: Kansas City, Missouri - Tulsa, Oklahoma
• Overland Limited: Chicago, Illinois - Los Angeles, California
• Phoenix Express: Los Angeles, California - Phoenix, Arizona
• The Ranger: Kansas City, Missouri - Chicago, Illinois
• The Saint: San Diego, California - Los Angeles, California - San Francisco, California
• San Diegan: Los Angeles, California - San Diego, California
• San Francisco Chief: San Francisco, California (via Los Angeles) - Chicago, Illinois
• San Francisco Express: Chicago, Illinois - San Francisco, California (via Los Angeles)
• Santa Fe de Luxe: Chicago, Illinois - Los Angeles, California - San Francisco, California
• Santa Fe Eight: Belen, New Mexico - Amarillo, Texas - Kansas City, Missouri - Chicago, Illinois
• The Scout: Chicago, Illinois - San Francisco, California (via Los Angeles)
• South Plains Express: Sweetwater, Texas - Lubbock, Texas
• Super Chief: Chicago, Illinois - Los Angeles, California
• The Texan: Houston, Texas - New Orleans, Louisiana (on the GC&SF between Houston and Galveston, then via the Missouri Pacific Railroad between Galveston and New Orleans).
• Texas Chief: Dallas, Texas - Chicago, Illinois
• Tourist Flyer: Chicago, Illinois - San Francisco, California (via Los Angeles)
• The Tulsan: Tulsa, Oklahoma - Chicago, Illinois
• Valley Flyer: Oakland, California - Bakersfield, California
• West Texas Express: Amarillo, Texas - Lubbock, Texas (this was the westbound version of the Eastern Express).

One-time and special trains

Occasionally, a special train was chartered to make a high-profile run over the Santa Fe's track. These specials were not included in the railroad's regular revenue service lineup, but were intended as one-time (and usually one-way) traversals of the railroad. Some of the more notable specials include:

• Cheney Special: Colton, California - Chicago, Illinois (a one-time train that ran in 1895 on behalf of B.P. Cheney, a director of the Santa Fe).
• Clark Special: Winslow, Arizona - Chicago, Illinois (a one-time train that ran in 1904 on behalf of Charles W. Clarke, the son of then Arizona senator William Andrew Clark).
• David B. Jones Special: Lake Forest, Illinois - Los Angeles, California (a one-time, record-breaking train that ran in 1923 on behalf of the president of the Mineral Point Zinc Company).
• Death Valley Scotty Special: Los Angeles, California - Chicago, Illinois (the most well-known of Santa Fe's "specials," also known as the Death Valley Coyote or Coyote Special; a one-time, record-breaking train that ran in 1905, essentially as a publicity stunt).
• H.P. Lowe Special: Chicago, Illinois - Los Angeles, California (a one-time, record-breaking train that ran in 1903 on behalf of the president of the Engineering Company of America).
• Huntington Special: Argentine, Kansas - Chicago, Illinois (a one-time train that ran in 1899 on behalf of Collis P. Huntington).
• Miss Nellie Bly Special: San Francisco, California - Chicago, Illinois (a one-time, record-breaking train that ran in 1890 on behalf of Nellie Bly, a reporter for the New York World newspaper).
• Peacock Special: Los Angeles, California - Chicago, Illinois (a one-time train that ran in 1900 on behalf of A.R. Peacock, vice-president of the Carnegie Steel & Iron Company).
• Wakarusa Creek Picnic Special: Topeka, Kansas - Pauline, Kansas (a one-time train that took picnickers on a 30-minute trip, at a speed of 14 miles-per-hour, to celebrate the official opening of the line on April 26, 1869).


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End of PART I of II


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

Watch for PART II around NOON today!

[siberianmo]

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TUESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

Good Morning! The best way to start the day is here with us![tup] Some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery along with a hot cuppa freshly brewed coffee “works” well! Then we have our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts from the Menu Board. So, c’mon and join us![tup]


Daily Wisdom

We were overwhelming underdogs.
(yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear: Santa Fe arrives tomorrow! This will be the THEME for the DAY!

* Weekly Calendar:

Wednesday Pike Perspective’s Day!
Thursday Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and – ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 05:22:56 (245) Monday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 05:36:33 (245) G’mornin’ & Cabs – final & joke

(3) barndad Doug Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 05:43:13 (245) Our Own Lingo, part I & joke

(4) passengerfan Al Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 06:21:01 (245) Pix comments & Streamliner #60 – Colorado Eagle

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 07:50:31 (245) Acknowledgments, etc.

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 08:00:03 (245) RR Book Relay!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 09:48:00 (245) Nick & RR book

(8) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 10:14:35 (246) AM pick-us-up!

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 11:09:14 (246) reply to coalminer3

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 11:29:16 (246) CDN RWs of the Past #1 – CNoR

(11) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 15:17:20 (246) PM check-in & Dome Names,.Part I

(12) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 17:03:52 (246) Almost Inclusive Post!

(13) pwolfe Pete Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 16:18:57 (246) Inclusive Post, etc.

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 18:19:55 (246) Acknowledgments, etc.

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 18:43:15 (246) RRs from Yesteryear – Ad

(16) passengerfan Al Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 19:38:19 (246) PM info

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 21:09:41 (246) [reply to passengerfan, etc.



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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

Just a couple of words before checking out . . . .

Al Thanx for the scoop on the PBS documentary on dome cars . . . surely something to watch for![tup][tup] Hope our station picks up on it.

I will Post the Santa Fe - Part I - right after the morning Summary then Part II around Noon.
Go ahead and Post after Part I - So, don't jump the gun, okay[?]

Theme for the day tomorrow will be Santa Fe! Hope you guys stick with it . . .

Leon the Night Man has the bar! Boris RIng the bell - drinks on me! Give 'em want they want, Leon!

Nite![zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good EveningTom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Just received word from the California State Railroad Museum that on March 10, 2006 at 2:00 PM Rich Luckin will present his latest PBS style documentary "Dome Car Magic: A History of Railroad Dome Cars" and it notes that copies of all of his works will be available for sale. The only Problem I have with this is their is Winterail at the same time in Stockton. I certainly would like to get a DVD of this have already checked the Museum Web site and it is not yet available. Just thought I would let Tom and Lars Know who love domes as much as I. Well maybe I can figure outr someway to to two things in the same day. My boss is certainly goiung to like me taking that date off in the height of tax season.

TTFN AL

PS Can't wait for your Santa Fe posting in the morning I have a surprise too.

[siberianmo]

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RAILROADS from YESTERYEAR – Santa Fe - arrives on Track #1 tomorrow in two parts. Watch for it!


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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[siberianmo]

Good Evening Guys!

Well, is it ME, or am I really paranoid these days (daze)[?] FIrst is was the Sunday Pix and now the Canadian Railways of the Past! Seems one of our guys doesn't think I exist 'round here.<geesh!> 'Nuf said . . .

G'day to Lars - Pete 'n Russell nice of y'all to stop by. Drink up boyz, there's plenty of $$$$ put up front by Lars 'n Ted for rounds on the house. (Gotta read back to find out when .....[swg])

Nice work with those Dome Names and I surely am looking forward to Part Deux![tup] Thanx, Lars! Given your situation in NYC these days (daze) I'm surprised (and pleased) that you're able to find the time to be with us.[tup][tup] Also thanx for the menion of the New Series! There are times when I wonder if these effortrs are 'reaching' the intended audience. Apparently "some," but not all. Have one on me!

Pete That's quite a Post of yours and I hope those who "need it" take the time to take a look at what being inclusive is all about.[tup][tup] Appreciate your mentioning the New Series as it is intended to porvide something new & different 'round here. So many of the efforts put forth by the guys just gets "absorbed" into cyber space - and that's a darned shame.

I don't know how you do it, Pete but coming up with descriptions for my Brit Pix really puts a new light on them. Thanx!! [tup][tup][tup]

Russell Always good to see ya and hope that you'll find some time to do other things aside from work and school. When I enrolled in college at the tender age of 50, and pursued a degree in 4 years, it was a piece of cake in that compared to working, school was a vacation for me. But, working AND going to school, now that's a totally different matter. Man has to do what man has to do, eh[?] Have one on me![tup]

You mentioned BK and the last I heard by Email is that his return was delayed one week - so this should be the week he returns to North America. Hope so.

Remember, Leon the Night Man will have the bar at 9 PM!

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[Trainnut484]

Good afternoon Tom and all. I'll have a Miller Lite for now. Last week of this semester and finals are next week, so it's crush and ru***ime.

Rob, nice Chicago pix. It's always good to see a D&RGW pic. The CNW/UP one is great too.

Doug, I enjoyed the story about the locomotive messengers and riding in the cab on those imaginary miles. I myself would treasure an old cab.

Tom, glad you've heard from Nick. Is there anything new with BK?

Sorry if I've ignored someone, but I gotta get to some last school week shtuff. Take care,

Russell

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of the usual please.

TOM Glad you have heard from NICK.[tup]. Talking of coincedences I was reading CM3's Encore on the Boston Subway( one of the best articles on railroads I have read, including articles in magazines, if I may say) when instead of soccer on the Midlands radio they repeated Saturdays Network Gold programme so I got the second chance to hear MTA. this time being able to follow the words, thanks Tom. This a great radio show featuring the music from the 50s,60s, and 70s. A great way to get in the mood for a Saturday night out when I was in England [tup].

On the B.R pics you posted
#1 is one of the new Electrostar Electric Multiple Units which is at, I think, at the east side of London's Victoria station which served the Kent Coast lines. We rode one of these units on our visit and they seem good trains.

#2 one of Virgin's Pendileno tilting trains in Carlisle station.

#3 a Scotrail 170 D.M.U. at Edinburgh Waverley station in the new livery.

#4 On the Brighton( west side) of Victoria station. The car is a Driving Motor Van leading a Gatwick Express on the rear of the train would be a class 73 Electro-diesel loco. These trains have recenly been replaced by EMUs.

Another great series TOM. The CNoR. was a hard line to construct and the completion date was late compared to railroads on the other side of the pond. Although some of the branch lines have been lost, I guess the hardest section to be built is still in use today. [tup].

ROB thanks for the photos[tup]. Are there any locos in the Rio Grande livery still about today [?]. There was a loco in Conrail livery through Jeff City recently.

AL Good post on the Mo-Pac. The cars must have looked a fine sight running along the Missouri River.

Doug They were great articles on loco cabs. I wouln't mind having one off a steam loco in the yard, like the lads in the article, myself.
Thanks for the post on the Juice lingo I am getting to know the difference in terms between American and British railroad terms. [tup].

I'll have another pint and be off. PETE>