"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of the usual and if there is any of H&H's last nights very tasty Steak left.[?]

A quick note to say thanks for the encores Al and TOM. The Arizona Limited looks a manificent train it was a shame it only ran two seasons.

The Nostalgia on the SP, the Norfolk & Western Fallen Flag and those grand hotels are always worth reading again. It was great to read issue #2 of the Gazette again to bring a[:D] on a Saturday[tup].

Must say thanks to ROB standing in as bar-keep yesterday and for the TTC #3. I will have to comment on the long life on the British 0-6-0 next week.

RUSSELL It will be great for us to meet in St. Louis if we can. I can get on the Amtrak here.

LARS I hope that the basement problem as been solved and things are back to normal.

DAVE Good to see you again. Great info on the Aerotrain it was a pity the train did not perform as well as it looked.

May I get a round in to celebrate Our Place's 250th page PETE.

[West Coast S]

Afternoon Tom and the gang..It's Saturday posting time!!! Round of CR if you please..

Lars...Hope recovery is well underway, several years ago my son flooded the entire house!! Have to wonder what he was tninking!! I was having a new main pipe installed, he proceded to turn on every faucet in the house in a vain attempt to draw water, left for school and while the house was unoccupied, the contractor restored water pressure at the conclusion of the installation, viola..instant flooded house!! On the plus side, insurance paid for all repairs and the wife got new carpet and paint when all was said and done..

Tom..Ah revenge is sweet, the smuck that forced me out of my job several months ago is now himself relieved, after I had a frank discussion with the one star reguarding his manner of command. Possibly, I will be returning to my previous position in a command capacity shortly if all goes well..

On PhotoSunday, the Aerotrain was featured, how many are aware that the Union Pacific placed a set in service for the City Of Las Vegas, aka as The Gamblers Special or the Crap Shooter. One car was converted to Buffet service and named "Howdy Pardner" with all food and drinks gratus. Underpowered, it required a helper engine most of the route, UP was displeased with the rough ride and lack of acceleration and didn't even keep the set through the lease period, returning the train to GM after only one year of a two year lease. UP replaced it with standard equiptment and power which could also handle the mail contracts, the only level unchanged was the food service and the western theme..

I just discovered SP GP-30s were tried in passenger service, true, SP borrowed a UP GP-30 B, steam generator equipped unit to compare operating cost and performance against its E units and PA's. The 30's proved capable but SP had no interest in cabless units and had the order been placed they would have been high hoods similar to those on the southern and N&W but with steam generators. SP deemed it far more efficient to shop the PA's and E's in house rather then purchase new power for obvious declining passenger revenues.


Encore, encore saturday!!! Ok guy's
set um up for all today


Dave

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check these hotel ads (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956) [located on the inside, back cover]
first Posted on page 141

OKLAHOMA BILTMORE

in the heart of Oklahoma City

600 Outside Rooms with Bath
600 Free Radios

MARTIN J. REINHART, President
H.P “Johnnie” JOHNSON, Mgr.

”Where courtesy creates its own welcome”

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Where Downtown SAN ANTONIO meets the River

The PLAZA HOTEL
. . . . . . . . . . . Air-Conditioned . . . . . . . . . . . . .

SAN ANTONIO
. . . . . . . . . . . The Venice of Texas . . . . . . . . .

500 Rooms . . . . . . . . . . . TOM L. POWELL, Mgr.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

IN SAN FRANCISCO . . .

KARL C. WEBER . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500 Rooms
President and . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . from $5.00 – Single
General Manager . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . from $7.00 – Double

HOTEL WHITCOMB
Market Street at Eighth

AT THE CIVIC CENTER

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

HOTEL LAFAYETTE

LAFAYETTE SQUARE BUFFALO, N.Y.

Buffalo’s Most Centrally Located Hotel

400 ROOMS WITH PRIVATE BATH
. . . . . . . . . . From $2.75 Single . . . . . . . . . .

Delicious Meals at Moderate Cost

KENNETH A. KELLY, President and Manager

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IN ATLANTIC CITY IT’S . . .

HOTEL DENNIS

Boardwalk at Michigan Avenue
AMERICAN and EUROPEAN PLANS

Walter J. Buzby, Inc.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

PHILADELPHIA’S VERY BEST!
1200 Rooms – 1200 Baths
The finest of food and entertainment

The BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

A GREAT NAME . . . . . A GREAT HOTEL

JOSEPH F. CONLAN, General Manager. . . . . . . . . WAlnut 2-8600

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

THE CONRAD HILTON

C H I C A G O

World;’s Largest and Friendliest Hotel

3000 ROOMS COMPLETELY REFURBISHED

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

MARK TWAIN HOTEL
. . . . . . . . . . ELMIRA, NEW YORK . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . Elmira’s Finest Hotel . . . . . . . . . . . .

250 OUTSIDE ROOMS WITH BATH
Television and Air Conditioning – Four Restaurants
W. C. EMERSON, President and Managing Director

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

IN NEW ORLEANS

The ST. CHARLES
. . . . . . . . A DINKLER HOTEL . . . . . . . .
Completely Air-Conditioned
J. J. (“Mike”) O’Leary, V.P. & Mgr.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

HOTEL ROBERT TREAT
. . . . . . . . . . ”A KNOTT HOTEL . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . NEWARK 1, N.J.

SINGLE - $5.25 Up . . . . . . . . . . DOUBLE - $8.50 Up
STANLEY J. AKUS, Mgr. . . . .ALBERT W. STENDER, Pres.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

One of the world’s distinguished hotels

The WINDSOR

. . . . . . . . MONTREAL, CANADA . . . . . . . .

MAXIME RAYMOND Q. C.
President & Managing Director

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Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:
first Posted on page 151

Norfolk & Western (N&W)

Headquarters: Roanoke, VA

Mileage: 1950: 2,129

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 610

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 75,621
Passenger cars: 251

Principal routes in 1950:

Lambert’s Point (Norfolk), VA-Columbus, OH
Portsmouth-Cincinnati, OH
Lynchburg, VA-Durham, NC
Roanoke-Hagerstown, MD
Roanoke-Winston-Salem, NC
Walton-Bristol, VA
Bluefield, WV-Norton, VA

Passenger trains of note:

Pocahontas (Norfolk-Cincinnati & Columbus)
Birmingham Special (New York-Birmingham, AL; joint with PRR and SR; operated by N&W Lynchburg-Bristol)
Cavalier (Norfolk-Cincinnati)
Pelican (New York-New Orleans, LA; joint with PRR and SR; operated by N&W Lynchburg-Bristol)
Powhatan Arrow (Norfolk-Cincinnati)
Tennessean (New York-Memphis, TN; joint with PRR and SR; operated by N&W Lynchburg-Bristol)
Cannon Ball (Norfolk-New York; joint with ACL; RF&P; and PRR; operated by N&W Norfolk-Petersburg)

Of Note: In 1964, the N&W added the Wabash and Nickel Plate road to its system along with the Columbus-Sandusky line of the PRR, which the PRRR sold to the N&W. In 1981, the N&W added selected lines of the Illinois Terminal RR to its system. This Fallen Flag focuses on the pre-1964 N&W.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 188

. . . . . . Mentor Village Gazette . . . . . .

Vol. I, Number 2 . . . . . . . . Monday, December 12, 2005 . . . . . . . . . Free
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ANNIVERSARY EDITION . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

”Our” Place reaches milestone

See Editorial


barndad Doug Inducted into the ORDER OF THE STOOLS

Dec 12th , Mentor Village
By: Verbal Funderburk

barndad Doug was inducted into the Order of the Stools - Reserved on Nov 22nd. With a crowd of free-loaders on hand along with the list of “usual suspects” (aka: customers), the induction ceremonies were carried out by the Selection Committee. This rather nebulous group of societal wannabees commanded about as much attention as a refrigerator salesman in the Klondike.

The induction ceremony was held in the Pool Room of the village bar and grill known as ”Our” Place and was attended by the municipalities leadership, janitorial staff and Bee Keepers society. A rather boisterous gathering toasted the new inductee with song and praise. “Who is this guy [?]” was the overriding theme of the background singers, as the party raged on into the late afternoon. Throughout the ceremony, there appeared to be several distractions, least of which were the “buzzing” of the group by an animal resembling a Parrot, and some “quick steps” by the crowd to avoid being bitten by what appeared to be a crazed Armadillo.

barndad Doug insisted that his acceptance into the group came as a complete surprise, and rejected any notion that his substantial cash “donation” to the Committee’s Railfan Vacation Fund,” had any influence on his selection.

As has been the practice, a spirited bout of pushing, shoving, punching, kicking and gauging broke about amongst the track gangs of the CN, CP and Can-Am railroads. With considerable help from the cloven-footed mutant known as Boris and the rather quiet and somewhat sullen giant of a man called Leon, Inspector Clueless of the Local Constabularly and his sidekick, Mr. Doyle, Private Investigator, restored order by using a tested strategy. Free drinks and a dance with any one of the ”Our” Place staff of beauties. (More on page 17.)


Scandal looms, as inquiry widens
Local Constabulary Caught Out By Typo

Dec 12th, Mentor Village
By: Nickin Westwales (and staff reporters)

Mentor`s finest,Clueless & Doyle are expected to be called in to head office to explain themselves after mobilizing the Counties Armed Response Unit to meet the incoming weekly Can-Am / Cymru Zeppelin service on the grounds that in addition to the usual cargo of beer & deli goods, the Airship was being used as a front for narcotic trafficking.

A measure of confusion ensued before it was realized that the delivery in question was nothing more dangerous than a batch of hand-woven carpeting for local tavern ”Our” Place.
When asked for a quote, a representative from the staff told our reporter " Yes,We are international rug smugglers,now either buy a drink or s*d off,we`re busy tonight."

As first released on Nov 17th, this story has taken on additional ramifications of involvement by some rather prominent officials in Village and County government. The Governor General was unavailable for comment, however, a representative opined, “This nasty business of blatant and flagrant rug abuse has simply got to stop. To purchase these black market floor coverings is to lend credibility to those bent on the destruction of civilized society itself. We must stand as one against the horde! Just say, “No way, Jose, to rug smugglers!”

A Blue Ribbon investigative panel has been assembled to look into the extent of the operation in the Village and County. The names of those serving on the panel have yet to be released, although “unnamed sources” reveal that an academic, a Constable and a business owner will spearhead the effort. An all out push has been undertaken to find sufficient quantities of Blue Ribbon for sashes, emblems and other “badges of office” to distingui***his particular body from any others. [?] It is anticipated that their findings will be released in January.


”Our” Place Rendezvous plans solidified

Dec 12th, Mentor Village
By: Ima Nogo

The First Annual ”Our” Place Classic Trains Rendezvous will take place in the greater Toronto, Ontario, Canada area during the period May 11th through 13th, 2006. Firm commitments have been made by a cast of rather “Unusual Suspects” for this event and include, siberianmo Tom – trolleyboy Rob – Theodorebear Ted and passengerfan Al. Others are expected to join the gathering as the date draws near.

The actual Rendezvous will take place on Friday, May 12th with an all day riding of the steel rails as the highlight. Trains, trolleys and subways are to be the featured attractions. The evening prior to the event will find the group meeting for the first time in person at a local Bistro selected by trolleyboy Rob for the occasion.

There are no provisions for press coverage at this time, as the group of international travelers insists they are not part of any effort to further undermine the relations between the U.S. and Canada. More to follow.


EDITORIAL

”Our” Place celebrates its 8th Month Anniversary today by engaging in something a bit different. The customers have been asked to Post information relating to Christmas and holiday train travel from the past. As we saw with the Veterans/Remembrance Day Postings, some rather poignant and “warm” reminders of days gone by are anticipated.

We congratulate our Village bar and grill for surviving this long and offer this: What state would our village coffers be in if not for the fines paid by clientele and ownership over these 8 months [?]


CLASSIFIED Section

Wanted: One English (as in Great Britain) to English (as in U.S.) phrase translation book for pwolfe Pete.


SPORTS Trivia

Baseball: The Cincinnati Red Stockings were the first pro club , frankly admitting in 1869 that all of its players were salaried. Highest paid were two brothers, Harry and George Wright, $1,400 and $1,200 respectively.

Football: The American Football League (AFL) began play in 1960 with eight teams, in Boston (Patriots), Buffalo (Bills), Dallas (Texans), Denver (Broncos), Houston (Oilers), Los Angeles (Chargers), New York (Titans) and Oakland (Raiders).

Rugby The birth of a sport, thanks to:

. . . . . WILLIAM WEBB ELLIS . . . . .
. . . . . of Rugby College, 1823. . . . . .
This stone commemorates the exploit
. . . . . of William Webb Ellis . . . . .
who with a fine sense of disregard for the rules
of football, as played in his time, first took the
ball in his arms and ran with it, thus originating
the distinctive feature of the Rugby game.
. . . . . A.D. 1823. . . . . .


COMIX

From the Bumper:

* WORK HARDER *
Millions on welfare depend on you!

Driver carries no cash.
He’s married!

Can’t feed ‘em?
Don’t breed ‘em!


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday


PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #20

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1951 advertisement in my personal collection.
previously Posted on page 156



Did you hear what the Cowboy said about the “Golden State”?

”WHAT A RIDE FER DUDES! SHE’S THE SMOOTHEST AND PURTIEST THING ON WHEELS FROM CHICAGO TO ARIZONA OR CALIFORNIA! ANOTHER OF SP’S WONDERFUL WAYS WEST!”

We think, you’ll enjoy our ”Golden State,” especially if you’re an experienced traveler. We have many friends who repeat, winter after winter, “chasing the sun Southwest” on this smooth, extra-fare S.P. & Rock Island streamliner. It’s convenient. Takes you via El Paso and Southern Arizona’s winter resorts to Palm Springs & Los Angeles.

She’s been re-streamlined, too, from stem to stern. We’ve issued a folder to celebrate the event and would like to send it to you. Helps you choose your accommodations, whether Pullman (Drawing rooms, Compartments, Bedrooms, Roomettes) or Chair Car (economical; Coffee Shop).

By the way, the ”Golden State” is extra fast, too – 44 ¼ pleasant hours, Chicago-Los Angeles or vice versa. Fine connecting streamliners. Perhaps you’d like to try another great S.P. route, going home. That way you see twice as much, usually for no extra rail fare. The little map shows how.

Why don’t you plan on the ”Golden State” for this winter or next summer? And meantime, let us send you that folder?

”GOLDEN STATE,” Chicago-Los Angeles, via El Paso, Douglas, Bisbee, Tucson, Phoenix, Palm Springs, 44 ¼ hours. Through Pullmans, Minneapolis and St. Louis to Los Angeles. Through Chair car, Minneapolis-Los Angeles. Connecting service to San Diego.

SP AMERICA’S MOST MODERN TRAINS


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Gents!

A frigid start to the day here in mid-Continent USA - I'd suspect we're at zero or a bit below here in suburbia, but the "official" temp taken out at the airport (20 miles away) has it at 2 (F). A partly cloudy start with a breeze, which made the AM Juneau Trek even more "delightful".[swg] Still no snow in sight ..... [tdn]

Glad you appreciated your "Salute," Sir Rob and another goes to Skipper Lars of the "good ship Neversink" in hopes that his calamity has abated some.[tup][tup][tup]

I've been doing some browsing in my "archives" and found that we have three Birthdays to celebrate in March - Nick (5th) - Doug (13th) & Lars (31st) - those are DATES not AGES!![swg] Anyway, given that we seem to have considerable difficulty lining up sufficient numbers of us to participate in contests, guessing games and other forms of recognition, much less Birthday Bashes, my suggestion is to schedule one Grand Gala Event for the three of them. So we need these guys to help coordinate a DATE and TIME for it. I'll give it about a week - and if the responses are poor, then I'll pick it and we'll "go fer it!"[tup] Of course, we'll ALWAYS acknowledge a guy's Natal Day with an appropriate Post on the "blessed event date!"[swg]

Thataway, Al - good ENCORE![tup][tup][tup][swg] I'll see what I can find to supplement the Rock Island "theme."

PLEASE remember that this is ENCORE! Saturday - SAVE those original Posts for Monday thru Friday!

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a coffee and a Crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

Hey Tom Lars and Rob did a great job filling in yesterday. Sorry I couldn't help.

Since this is Encore Saturday thought I would resurrect the following.

ARIZONA LIMITED CRI&P – SP Trains 29-30 December 15, 1940 – April 3, 1941 Chicago – Phoenix every other day all Pullman winter only trains. 1,900 miles 31 hours 15.minutes Train numbers 29-30
BY AL

The ARIZONA LIMITED was an all Pullman All Room winter only operation between Chicago and Tucson-Phoenix. The ARIZONA LIMITED provided a deluxe service for wealthy Midwesterners and other people of means who preferred to spend part of their winters in the warm desert climate of southern Arizona. The ARIZONA LIMITED was a truly first class pair of trains for the only two seasons they ever operated. They were finally canceled due to the outbreak of WW II but even then they just about completed their entire second season. The Rock Island assigned diesel power to the ARIZONA LIMITED trains between Chicago and Tucumcari, New Mexico. The Southern Pacific assigned mostly Mountain’s to the ARIZONA LIMITED between Tucumcari and Phoenix. The Rock Island assigned two of their ALCO 2,000 HP prewar diesel passenger units the first season and two EMD 2,000 HP diesel passenger units the second and final season the ARIZONA LIMITEDS operated. The Rock Island also modernized two Baggage 15 Crew Dormitory Cars and two 36 seat Dining Cars for both consists of the ARIZONA LIMITEDS. Both of these cars in each train set were painted two tone gray to match the paint scheme of the Pullman owned Sleeping cars of the ARIZONA LIMITED trains. With two consists the ARIZONA LIMITED was able to provide every other day service between Chicago and Phoenix in both directions. From the ARIZONA LIMITED the Rock Island got the idea for the postwar GOLDEN ROCKET a premier train for service to Los Angeles from Chicago. More on this train later. Both seasons of the ARIZONA LIMITED consists are listed below on the Rock Island.

First season consists are as follows.

CONSIST ONE

622 ALCO DL-107 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit (Chicago – Tucumcari)

Streamlined GS-2 4-8-4 Steam Locomotive & Tender (Tucumcari – Phoenix) exact numbers unknown

6014 Heavyweight Baggage 13-Crew Dormitory Car (CRI&P)

8028 Heavyweight 36-seat Dining Car (CRI&P)

IMPERIAL GUARD 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL BANNER 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

CASCADE BANKS 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE BASIN 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Chicago – Tucson)

AMERICAN MILEMASTER 2-Double Bedroom 1-Compartment 1-Drawing Room Buffet 27-Seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST TWO

623 ALCO DL-107 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit (Chicago – Tucumcari)

Streamlined GS-2 4-8-4 Steam Locomotive & Tender (Tucumcari – Phoenix)

6015 Heavyweight Baggage 13-Crew Dormitory Car (CRI&P)

8031 Heavyweight 36-seat Dining Car (CRI&P)

IMPERIAL CLIPPER 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL THRONE 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

CASCADE MILLS 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE SHOALS 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Tucson – Chicago)

MUSKINGUM RIVER 2-Double Bedroom 1-Compartment 1-Drawing Room Buffet 27-Seat Lounge Observation

The second and final season the ARIZONA LIMITED operated was from December 15, 1941 until April 3, 1942. The two consists that operated the second season were different enough to be listed separately.

CONSIST ONE

630 EMD E6A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit (Chicago – Phoenix)

6014 Heavyweight Baggage 13-Crew Dormitory Car (CRI&P)

8028 Heavyweight 36-seat Dining Car (CRI&P)

IMPERIAL CLIPPER 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL GUARD 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

CASCADE BANKS 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Chicago – Tucson)

ROARING CAMP Streamlined Heavyweight 17-Roomette Sleeping Car

MUSKINGUM RIVER 2-Double Bedroom 1-Compartment 1-Drawing Room Buffet 27-seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST TWO

631 EMD E6A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

6015 Heavyweight Baggage 13-Crew Dormitory Car (CRI&P)

8031 Heavyweight 36-Seat Dining Car (CRI&P)

IMPERIAL BANNER 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL THRONE 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

CASCADE BASIN 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Tucson – Chicago)

BEAR FLAG Articulated 14-Duplex Single Room 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC Articulated 4-Double Bedroom 1-Compartment Buffet 27-Seat Lounge Observation


TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

We open at 6 AM (all times zones!) (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]

SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

Mornin’ All! The best way to start the day is here with us![tup] Some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery along with a hot cuppa freshly brewed coffee “works” well! Then we have our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts from the Menu Board. So, c’mon and join us![tup]

Anyone watching, aside from Rob[?] We are coming up on the 5,000th reply at ”Our” Place! And there were “those” who said this Thread would fold-up in a matter of several weeks![tdn][swg]

NAME THE CASH REGISTERS! I think we’re going to have to come up with names for our two cash registers (both mechanical) one at each 1/3rd of the bar. So let’s kick that idea ‘round, okay After all, we have Coal Scuttle for the Pig’s Feet Jar “feeding” our Juke, Herr Wurltizer. So, why not a couple of names for the cash boxes So let’s have some ideas, Gents! C’mon, it’s NOT rocket surgery!![swg]

. . . . from Pete “Tilla the Hun” for one of ‘em.


Daily Wisdom

Slump? I ain’t in no slump. I just ain’t hitting.
(yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear: Southern Pacific arrives Tuesday! This will be the THEME for the DAY!

* Weekly Calendar:

Today: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and – ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 05:21:50 (249) Friday’s Info & Summary

(2) passengerfan Al Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 06:42:04 (249) Streamliner #63 – Vista Dome Silver Zephyrs

(3) barndad Doug Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 07:16:59 (249) Great Strike of 1877, Part II

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 07:31:55 (249) AM comments

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 07:36:39 (249) NOSTALGIA #68 – Ad, NYC (1954)

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 07:52:14 (249) NYC route map (1929)

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 08:21:32 (249) Canadian Railways of the Past #2 – NAR

(8) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 09:35:28 (249) Pinch Hitter: AM Post & NYC name trains

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 10:30:10 (249) Pinch Hitter: Inclusive Post, etc.

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 10:52:19 (249) Pinch Hitter: Classic Ads #4 – Empire State Express

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 12:05:22 (249) Pinch Hitter: Classic Juice #22 – Pre history of TTC, Part II

(12) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 14:39:57 (249) Pinch Hitter: PM Post & SOS!

(13) pwolfe Pete Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 14:46:35 (249) Inclusive Post, etc.

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 14:51:08 (249) Pinch Hitter: Classic Juice #23 – Pre history of TTC, Part III

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 15:03:01 (250) Pinch Hitter: Acknowledgments

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 16:48:39 (250) Acknowledgments, etc.

(17) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 19:00:53 (250) Inclusive Post!

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 20:04:00 (250) Salute to Rob & Nite Cap!

(19) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 23:10:09 (250) Inclusive Post & Nite Cap!



NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
. . . . . Double Features, all of the time . . . . .

. . . Sunday, February 12th thru 18th: Bound for Glory (1976) starring: David Carradine, Ronny Cox & Melinda Dillon – and – Emperor of the North Pole (1973) starring: Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine & Keith Carradine.

Coming Attractions:

. . . Sunday, February 19th thru 25th: Fahrenheit 451 (1966) starring: Oskar Werner, Julie Christie & Cyril Cusack – and – Flame Over India/Northwest Frontier (1959) starring: Kenneth More, Lauren Bacall & Herbert Lom.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!



PLEASE remember that this is ENCORE! Saturday – SAVE those original Posts for Monday thru Friday!

[trolleyboy]

Evening Leon, I see that the pool hall is in full swing and it looks as though Tex and Boris have the security wel in hand,so I think I'll put me feet up and have a bottomless Keith's.

Tom I'm glad to hear that you got passed for your next half million miles. It was no trouble at all keeping us front and center here.Everyone was on their best behaviour and perfect gentlemen around Cindy ( even with the dress she had on )Thanks for the multy flag and logo salut, kinda puts a lump in my throat.

Russ I'm glad you stopped by, even gladder that yoyu enjoyed the fruits of my labour this day. Hopefully we all can meet in St Louis next year ( I can hear Judy garland singing now." Clang clang went the trolley ")

lars I hope the fact that you weren't able to come back in tonight didn't mean anything ominous. Hopefully the tide has subsided and your pumps have caught up with the flow of water.don't forget money for a couple rounds for you after this ordeal are waiting ijn the cashbox for you.

Well gents i'm away for the night.

See everyone tomorrow

Rob

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

I see we've had another customer - Trainnut484 Russell - Nice Post![tup]

Before turning the bar over to Leon the Night Man on this Friday nite, I want to thank Cindy for the looooooong day she put in![tup][tup][tup] A little something "extra" in the pay check, my dear!<grin>

Now, to Rob, here's to ya, Mate for an extraordinary effort in keeping things on an even keel today:







Remember: Tomorrow is ENCORE! Saturday . . . save the original stuff for Monday thru Friday - please.

Boris Ring the bell - I'm outta here - drinks on the house!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Trainnut484]

Good evening Tom and the rest of "OUR Place-en-ites. I'll have a Miller Lite. Glad your trip went alright, Tom. A two [tup][tup] for the NYC Nostalgia piece this morning.

Al, nice job on the Zephyrs [tup]

Lars, hope you and the ship don't go down the drain. We've had our own battles with the blankety-blankety sump pump. It's not a fun job.

Rob, great job on the Classic Juice posts, and filling in the void while Tom was away from the 'puter. Also, thanks to Lars for his timely posts.

Doug, good joke about the sharing old couple joke. I think there was a denture tv commercial featuring an old couple sharing teeth. My wife freaked out about that [:D]

Pete, always glad to see your posts. Maybe one of these days when the wife and I have a future Amtrak trip heading east towards St. Louis, you, Tom, and I can hopefully get together for something.

If I missed anyone this evening I apologize. it's been a rigorous today as it was the last day of classes for this semester. Finals are next week. I'll be okay though. As Segmund from MAD magazine said "What Me Worry?"

Or something like that.

Take care,

Russell

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

I would like to take this opportunity <drumroll> to express my appreciation <trumpets> to trolleyboy Rob <ta-tah> and LoveDomes Lars <bah-buuuuuuumb!> for the extra efforts in keeping us up 'n running this fine day![tup][tup][tup] Also, to pwolfe Pete the timing of your Post, Sir, was just right and of course, the content even moreso![tup][tup][tup]

Really appreciate you guys handling things in my absence. Looks like Cindy kept you all "in check," with the help of Tex the Armadillo and his "Master," Boris![swg]

All went well - or better put, as well as expected, with my travels over to the "local" Air Force Base for my 4-5 week trip to take advantage of the dwindling military retiree benefits. If the "public" only knew . . . but then again, I firmly believe, the "public" doesn't give a Rat's Patoot about the military, after all, "some one else" will take care of things like defending the nation and our freedoms! [soapbox] Ring the bell, Boris and I'll serve 'em up a freebie.

Some really good stuff Posted this day and rather than commenting, line by line, just let me say that the guys who are holding up this Thread in this particular time and place in our "history " are the ones who Posted today. Thanx very, very much - to Al - Doug - Rob & Lars![tup][tup][tup]

If anyone has directed a specific question or comment my way, please forgive me, for I'm kinda preoccupied - bride just got home - Juneau wants "outside" and - well, that' s life in "the fast lane!" [swg]

Hey Lars that's awful news regarding your basement flooding. Wi***here was something I could do to help. The least of your concerns should be this bar - but you know what[?] You've shown your "mettle" to us all by taking the time to help US out. Now that's quite an EXAMPLE to one and all, particularly those who "wear" the label of members of the Order of the Stools but don't seem to find the time to extend themselves other than when convenient to THEM.[tdn] Just want you to KNOW that your efforts are very much appreciated. THANX![tup][tup][tup]

Gotta run .... catch y'all later ..... Cindy STILL HAS THE BAR! Aint that a shame[?][swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

I see that I'm not completely alone this aft. Good stuff [tup]

lars Good gawd man that's awfull news,I would be checking for torpedo holes.I hope that your computer and all other valubles are above the waterline good luck in your bailing. I'll leave a twenty spot at the bar for your personal use and recreation as well as the key's to the [i]Rats Patoot room[.i] so you can vent your frustrations.

Pete Good to see you in already today. I'm glad you enjoyed part 2, part 3's just been posted and is awaiting your purusal at dinner time. H&H are doing the grilling tonight, I told them that only baked potatoes with the trimmings,coleslaw, fries and sauteed mushrooms are the only acceptable sides tonight. They are also not to feed Tex or Boris anything raw we don't need that trouble on top of everything else.

Thanks for the additional steam loco info, I've always found it interesting that the British railway's used 0-6-0's and the like as main line locomotives,they were strictly yard goats over here,I'm guessing that the wider track guages made them ride better than they would have on the "road" here.

TTFN Rob

[trolleyboy]

Hmmm seem to be doing a Tom today and mostly talking to myself oh well, the thread and the info must go on. [:D][tup]

Doug the Doug specal is just simply two light breakfasts and a coffee,if you don't come in to order it in the morning I try to,keeps the kitchen staff awake and on their toes.

CLASSIC JUICE # 23 PRE HISTORY OF THE TTC PT 3


The Toronto Transportation Commission 1921-1953 & The Toronto Transit Commission 1954 to the Preasant


With four different compnaies controlling nine different systems, of public transportation in Toronto, the city was in utter chaos. The cost to the public for rides to work, and home,was becomming inreasingly difficult to uphold so something had to be done.Citizens exercised their voting franchise on Jan 1 ,1920 and decided that all of Toronto's public transportation systems should be placed under the direction of one organization. By this vote, the Toronto Transportation Commision was created.

On sept 1,1921, the new Commission took over all the operations of the TRC and Civic Lines. It introduced the new Peter Witt streetcars which were a complete improvement over any of the older cars then in service. New Routes were introduced: trackwork was heavily replaced between 1921-23, and routes were aquired from the TSR in 1923, and the T&Y RR in 1927.


Other improvements included the withdrawl of many older cars and old horsecar trailers; the introduction of new Witt trailers on the busy Collage and Yonge street lines and the building of new loops and carhouse properties.Finally a new centralized repair facility was built at Bathurst street and Davenport road known as Hillcrest Shops to replace the worn-out scattered ones of the TRC shops at Front and Frederick Streets.

In 1938, the TTC was instrumental in the introduction of a new streetcar design known as the PCC ( presidents Conbferance committee car )which in one fell swoop,banished other streetcar designs to the past. During the war years, the TTC maintained it's fleet, ordered new cars ( PCC's ), introduced women to the workforce as car operators and trainmen ( even in the shops )and made plans for future expansion of the system.

In 1953, the Metropolitan system of government was introduced to Toronto and the Toronto Transportation Commission, which had the original mandate to run Toronto's public transit gained authority over the transit systems of the entire metro area, so was revamped into the Toronto Transit Commission.

In 1954 the Yonge Subwaysystem openned becomming the forerunner of modern rapid transit in Canda.In 1963came the University Subway,followed by the Bloor/Danforth line in 1966.The Spadina extention in 1978 and the Bloor-danforth extensions in 1968 and 1980. Extensions of the original Yonge line were completed in 1973-74. Other changes continue to this day Shepard Ave subway openned in 2003.b The TTC subsidiary Gray Coach Lines provides bus service outside of the Toronto area.Many of the older surface lines weer abandoned with the oppening of the Bloor-Danforth and yonge subway lines as car and truck traffic impeeded the steady floor of the transit system ( an estimated 1m people a day use the TTC subways alone ! )


Rob

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom And All.

A pint of Bathams and whats that you say CINDY, TEX has finished off the remainder of last nights fish, oh well I'll have a sarnie please.

ROB Good job looking after the bar and info on the topics. [tup]. TOM as set us up well with NYC Sleepers and the NAR the second part of the great Canadian Railways of the Past a line that had to wait quite a few years before it made a profit. Thanks for part 2 of the Juice on the TTC and the info on the NAR.

The 4-6-0 was a probably the most numberous wheel arrangement in Britain although right to end of steam there were 0-6-0s still on goods traffic, in fact in 1948 when British Railways was formed BR recieved over 2500 engines of the 0-6-0 type from the L.N.E.R. The Great Western Railway only built one Pacific, in around 1908. They never built any thing bigger for Mixed-traffic and Passenger than a 4-6-0.

AL Good post on the Zephers. When I was in Denver a while back, in Union Station there was some vintage cars, have you any details on them[?].

DOUG Another good series on the Great Strike. They sure were rough times. It makes the General Strike of England in 1926 seem tame. Looking forward to future installments. Keep the jokes coming [(-D][tup].

LARS Impressive list of name trains of the NYC.

TOM Many thanks for the map[tup] We seem to have missed the high winds in Mid-Mo and although it is chilly there was no precip at all here.

Thanks for the Rounder info when I was any good at skittles I did have quite a few free drinks from it . When the wife and I go to Pats Place we play Crib for the tab but I have not been too sucessful of late, more practise required[oops].

Oh well back to the chores. Whos cooking the steak this evening[?]. PETE.

LARS Just caught your last post. I really hope things turn out all right with the basement Pete.

[LoveDomes]

G'day Tom and whoever is in the back room!

Aside from our regular Rob this has been one of those "Hit 'n Miss - or Feast or Famine" days Tom refers to! Rather quiet, to say the least.

On behalf of our "Steamed Proprietor," I thank you Rob for hleping to keep this thread moving along!~[tup][tup][tup] Always good info eminating from north of the 49th (but technically, that ain't YOU![swg])

Got some bad news from the home front - we're taking on water in the bilges! Pumps can't handle it and I'm about to head off to rent or buy a LARGE unit to get the water out of our basement. Terrible mess and I can see what I'll be doing this weekend! Blasted snow and now rain, and I mean rain.

So, that's about all I have time for, Tom! At least this post "counts," huh[?]

May not be back 'til the bailng's done ..... I think we're taking on a starboard list and sinking by the bow!


Until who knows when![V]

Lars

[trolleyboy]

Afternoon again folks. Cindy a nice big pastromi on Rye would be lovely,here's some mmoney to drop into the coal scuttle as well,goyya keep her wurlitzer fed donchaknow.I see that the track gangs have been in,quite the tip jar they have going for you Cindy.you would think that they liked talking to you more than Tom.

Tom A thought occured not a real important one, but I had oroginally thought that you would see #5000 at about the same time as page 300, I think that I'm a tad off of that. Still three cheers for the barkeep for keeping that many posts more or less inline and ontopic no easy task. [tup][tup][tup]

So as promissed earlier another data dump on the TTC

CLASSIC JUICE # 22 THE PREHISTORY OF THE TTC PT 2

As we left of before we were disscussing the pre - merger/ city ownership and control of the now TTC. Pt when delt with the TRC and the old Horse railways from 1861-1921.

The Toronto Civic Railways

Beacause of the refusal on the TRC's part to expand,the city felt something had to be done if development in it's newly annexed areas were to proceed.The Toronto Civic Railways (TCR) was crated in 1911 to this end. Lines were constructed on St Clair,Lansdowne, and Danforth avenues, and on Gerrard and Bloor Streets.There was a fare of 2 cents charged, six tickets for a dime,and transfer privilages on the St Clair amd Lansdowne routes, as these were the only two Civic lines that were physically connected to one another.No transfer arrangements were made with the TRC.The Civic lines did not use turning loops so as such all their cars were double ended. The Civic would continue in operation until 1921, when it was brought under the control of the TTC.

The Toronto Suburban Railway

The TSR, which operated radial lines out of Toronto,provided transportation in the city over some of their own streetcar routes at a separate fare cost.These services ran from the "junction" area of Dundas and Keele streets to the western and northern city limits.Also operated was a route from St Clair and Keele along Davenport Road ending at Bathurst Street.

After TTC operations took over in 1921, the TSR continued to operate these routes for the TTC " in trust ". Once negotiations were concluded in 1923 the TTC aquired these routes outright

Toronto and York Radial Railways

The T & YRR, also operated several radial lines in the Toronto area, and amongst these were severak separate fare street car lines operated inside the city limits.These services were along Kingston Road from Queen street to Victoria Park Ave, Lakeshore Road from the Humber river to Roncesvalles Ave,and the area of Yonge street above Woodlawn Ave, which at the time was known as North Toronto whick was annexed by the city in 1912. Each of these lines continued nto the suburban hinterlands.

The T&Y lines were purchased by the city in 1920 so as to obtain the city protions of them for the TTC. After a period of operation by the Provinces Hydro Electric Commission, the rural portions of these lines also came under TTC control in Jan 1927.

Pt 3 later

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Good day again folks,here's a bit of "lite" reading. Seeing as how tom and Lars have both picked up an NYC theme today here's an ad to go along with their efforts today.

CLASSIC AD'S # 4 THE EMPIRE STATE EXPRESS


The New Empire State Express

Again New York central makes transportation history with a new streamlined Empire State Express Her is really a new way to travel- new in luxury - new in the relaxation and pleasure it offers you.


Built of stainles steel with interiors as comfortable as they are beautiful. smart solarium observation ; tavern lounge and dining cars. all seats reserved in Parlour Cars and Reclining Seat Coaches. Same low fares !

Westbound

LV New York..... 9:00 am
Ar Buffalo ......... 4:50pm
Ar St thomas......7:45pm
Ar Detroit.............9:55pm


Eastbound

LV Detroit............8:30am
Ar St Thomas...10:32am
Ar Buffalo.............1:30pm
Ar New York.........9:30pm

This train travelled accross the TH&B in southern Ontario as a shortcut between Ny and Detroit. This was listed in the New york Central's/ michigan centrals time table dated November 30 1941. The service started in service westbound on Dec 7 1941 and eastbound dec 8 1941. Note the start dates for the train. I imagine that it did not get much fanfare.

[trolleyboy]

Good morning Cindy,you are looking positivly striking today[:O][tup][:P] What's that oh that yes Tex can be a bit not so well trained. I'd say rub his nose in it but he just rolls up in a ball and makes a bigger mess[:O][xx(] Boris get the mop Cindy has a job for you. Ever notice how well he responds to Cindy and Nick's directions as opposed to the rest of us hmmm.


Tom I would say happy trails but from your description of that trip it sounds like the hour long treck on the QEW from Niagara falls to Fort Erie ,<gag and double gag>

I've always liked the NAR beautiful paintscheme on their locomotives ( diesel) Nice blue& grey with yellow pinstriping and trim> Similar to the Central of Georgia. Interesting first gen diesels on that line as well. High hood dual purpose GP7's and the ubiquitous GMD1's in the A1A- A1A format. The piture of CN 1430 I posted a couple Sunday's ago is a former NAR locomotive. CN's only SD38's also came from the NAR. They had quite the diverse steam fleet as well Consolidations and ten wheelers mostly all with the full enclosed cabs ( when it hits -40C most of the winter those cabs aren't an option )

Nice re-roll of the NYC and NYC map [tup] I've always been a closet NYC fan due to their fairly extensive trackage in southern and South western Ontario, of all the US roads from the "classic " era I had always thought that thier's was the "snappiest" paint scheme ( lighteneing stripes )

lars Hey nice to see you again this morning,Loved seeing the passenger train list that you compiled for us. [tup] Oh and a boot is what i where on my feet <sheesh> Colonials, you can't live with em and you can't live with out em[;)][:D][:-^]
They still make rhiengold ( shudder ) hasn't been available here in years.


Doug Part two is quite good my friend, i'm getting the feeling that the general strike won't stop aat just the Pennsey and the B&O. Oh the suspense. Actually it's a quite sobbering story,shows the many unintended or intended uses for the railways.The CPR also ferried troops west in 1885 to put down the Northwest rebellion, I can relate to you the great worker strikes here in the early 30's when out of work farmers and factory workers from the west road the tops of CNR and CPR freight trains to Ottawa and Toronto to look for work and protest the Liberal governments apparent unwillingness to help them during those early years of the depression.

Today's joke only lit up one tick on the groanameter,better content [tup][tup]

Al Nice Zepher piece, looks like you hit a homer in doug's eyes with that one.

That's it for Now be back in a bit

Rob

[LoveDomes]

Good Morning Gents!

Looks like our “Steamed Proprietor” has set sail for his adventures . . . so it’s just “us,” huh[?] Let’s see, nope can’t really “do that,” as Cindy seems to be watching my every move! (I wish!! [}:)][:-,] Boris is “lurking” over in the shadows too – looks like one better behave around here today![swg]

Don’t know if the thunder storms we’re getting are part of that system you mentioned Tom but we’re supposed to have a doozy of a day with temperatures again into the 50s – snow is fast melting – dirty, slush, etc. Yuck – double yuck!

So, set me up with a brew, if you please you sweet thing! Ummmmmmm, a Rheingold in a frosty bottle should do it – and yes, a mug too if you please. I’ll take one of those great hoagie sandwiches – make it ham, swiss, butter & mustard and two large pickles from the barrel – thanks![tup] Man she provides a new definition to the word, “move.” Ummmmmmmm um! [}:)][:-,]

Sweet! posts this morning, Tom! ALWAYS appreciate the NYC – a great, great road and I still scroll back to the “theme day” of the recent past. Good stuff![tup] Also, that “Canadian Railways of the Past” series is not only a good idea, but extremely informative and right on the mark for what you want this thread to be all about. (Or is that “aboot” up there in the frozen north, Rob[?][swg])

Don’t know what to tell ya, Doug some guys “have it,” others “try for it,” and still others “haven’t a clue about it!”[swg] Not a bad joke – but not a good one either!![swg]



Ok – what to contribute[?] No particular “theme” today, however I do see a couple of NYC pieces, so that looks good enough. Check this out:

Name trains of the New York Central (NYC)

QUOTE:

1. Berkshire
2. Booth Tarkington
3. Buffalo-Pittsburgh Express
4. Canadian
5. Chicago Express
6. Chicago Mercury
7. Chicagoan
8. Cincinnati Special
9. Cleveland Limited
10. Cleveland Mercury
11. Cleveland-Columbus Special
12. Columbus-Cleveland Special
13. Commodore Vanderbilt
14. Detroiter
15. DeWitt Clinton
16. Easterner
17. Empire State Express
18. Fifth Avennue Special
19. Forest City
20. Gateway
21. Great Lakes
22. Hendrick Hudson
23. Interstate Express
24. Iroquois
25. James Whitcomb Riley
26. Knickerbocker
27. Laurentian
28. Michigan
29. Michigan Special
30. Midnight Special
31. Midwestern
32. Minute Man
33. Missourian
34. Mohawk
35. Montreal Limited
36. Motor City Special
37. Mountain Express
38. New England States
39. New York Special
40. Niagara
41. North Shore Limited
42. North Star
43. Northerner
44. Ohio Special
45. Ohio State Limited
46. Ontarion
47. Overseas
48. Pacemaker
49. Pittsburgh-Buffalo Express
50. Royal York
51. South Shore
52. Southwestern State Special
53. Sycamore
54. Texas Special
55. Tuscarora
56. Twentieth Century Limited
57. Twilight Limited
58. Wolverine

There she be! Not meant to be all inclusive as some would have it – just a nice long list of names that may bring back some great memories (I hope!)[tup]

Hope you guys pitch in with helping to keep us “current” on the page. Just spread out the posts and as Tom said, it will work out.

Until this afternoon!

Lars

[siberianmo]

Canadian Railways of the Past

Number Two: Northern Alberta Railways (NAR)




Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.


Northern Alberta Railways

Locale: Alberta, British Columbia

Reporting marks: NAR

Dates of operation: 1929 – 1981

Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)

Headquarters: Edmonton, Alberta


The Northern Alberta Railways (AAR reporting mark: NAR) was a Canadian railway which served northern Alberta and northeastern British Columbia. Jointly owned by both Canadian National Railway and Canadian Pacific Railway, NAR existed as a separate company from 1929 until 1981.


Predecessor railways

Railway construction in northern Alberta during the early 20th century was dominated by the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway and the Canadian Northern Railway, both of which were building westward from Edmonton, AB to the Yellowhead Pass of the Rocky Mountains.

Following the Dominion Land Survey grants to settlers, the Peace River region of northwestern Alberta was one of the few places left on the prairies with available agricultural land, however there was no railway connection.
Several lines were chartered to serve both the Peace River and Waterways regions of the province, beginning with the Athabaska Railway in 1907. It was to build northeast from Edmonton to Dunvegan, AB, then to Fort George, BC.

ED&BC

The company was rechartered in 1911 under the ownership of J.D. McArthur as the Edmonton, Dunvegan and British Columbia Railway (ED&BC). Construction of the ED&BC started in 1912 heading toward Westlock, AB, reaching High Prairie in 1914, and Spirit River in 1915. Deciding not to proceed to Dunvegan, a branch was built south from Rycroft, AB to Grande Prairie, AB in 1916 (400 miles northwest from Edmonton).
In 1924 the line was extended to Wembley, AB and it reached Hythe, AB in 1928. In 1930 the line was extended westward across the provincial boundary to its western terminus at Dawson Creek, BC.

A&GW

In 1909 a charter was granted to the Alberta and Great Waterways Railway (A&GW) to build from Edmonton to Waterways, AB on the Athabasca River. Construction faltered and the line was rechartered in 1913 under the ownership of J.D. McArthur. Construction of the AG&W began in 1914 from Carbondale, AB and reached Lac La Biche, AB in 1916. It reached Draper, AB in 1922 and its terminus at Waterways, AB in 1925.

CCR

In 1913 a charter was granted to the Central Canada Railway (CCR) under the ownership of J.D. McArthur to build from Winagami Junction, AB on the ED&BC to Peace River Crossing, AB in order to access barge traffic on the Peace River. Construction of the CCR began in 1914 and was completed in 1916.

The CCR was subsequently extended to Berwyn, AB in 1921, then to Whitelaw, AB in 1924, Fairview, AB in 1928 and Hines Creek, AB in 1930.

PVR

In 1926, the provincial government passed a statute authorizing the government to construct the Pembina Valley Railway from Busby, AB, where it connected to the ED&BC line, to Barrhead, AB.

Provincial ownership

In 1920, the lines owned by J.D. McArthur entered financial difficulties following the First World War. Coinciding with the problems faced by the McArthur lines (ED&BC, A&GW, and CCR), both the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway (GTPR) and Canadian Northern Railway (CNoR) had fallen victim to similar circumstances brought about by the financial strain of the conflict and falling traffic levels. The Dominion government had nationalized the GTPR and CNoR, along with other previously federally owned lines into the Canadian National Railways.

Following the federal example, and in an attempt to preserve rail service to northern and northwestern Alberta, the provincial government leased the ED&BC and CCR in 1920 for five years. In 1921 the government entered into a five year agreement with the Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR) to operate the ED&BC and CCR. That same year, the provincial government purchased the A&GW outright and chose to operate it separately.

CPR immediately raised freight rates on the ED&BC and CCR lines, charging "mountain prices", claiming that the cost of operating on grades into the Peace and Smoky River valleys of the northwestern prairie was as much as it cost to operate in the Rocky Mountains. Consequently Peace River farmers paid the highest freight charges on the Canadian prairies to reach the lakehead at Port Arthur and Fort William.

The provincial government purchased the ED&BC and CCR from McArthur in 1925, following the expiration of the five year lease. dissatisfied with the CPR's operation of the ED&BC and CCR, the provincial government allowed the operating contract for the these railways to expire in 1926, with operations subsequently taken over by the new provincial Department of Railways and Telecommunications which was also tasked to operate the AG&W and the newly-built PVR.

In 1928, the provincial government began to solicit proposals from both the CPR and the Canadian National Railways (CNR) for purchasing the provincial railways. In 1924, CNR president Sir Henry Thornton visited the ED&BC line and in 1928, CPR president Edward Beattie did the same.

Northern Alberta Railways

In 1929 the provincial government grouped the ED&BC, CCR, AG&W, and PVR under the collective name Northern Alberta Railways (NAR), which received a federal charter on June 14. The NAR was subsequently sold to both the CNR and CPR in equal portions with both companies agreeing to maintain the NAR as a joint subsidiary. At that time, the NAR was the third-largest railway in Canada. In 1937 the NAR began to show a profit for the first time.

In summer 1942, following the entry of the United States into the Second World War, the Alaska Highway civil defence project resulted in tremendous growth for the NAR, as the system was the only railway to service Alaska Highway mile 0 at Dawson Creek.

NAR also saw increased traffic from defence spending in both the Peace River and Fort McMurray regions as Royal Canadian Air Force training bases for the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan were established.

In 1958 the Pacific Great Eastern Railway (PGE), owned by the province of British Columbia, built east to Dawson Creek, BC and then north to Fort St. John, BC. Traffic from Dawson Creek which used to run on NAR now mostly ran on PGE.

NAR completely dieselized its locomotive fleet by October 1960.

Beginning in the 1960s, Alberta's nascent oil and gas industry began to have an impact on the NAR as traffic began to increase on both the Dawson Creek and Fort McMurray branches. In 1964, the federal government built the Great Slave Railway north from the NAR at Grimshaw, AB to Hay River, NWT to carry passengers and cargo which could then be transferred to barges and continue down the Mackenzie River.

In 1966, the passenger train to Waterways was replaced by Budd Rail Diesel Cars, but the experiment was unsuccessful, and it was replaced in 1967 by a mixed train. On June 1, 1974, the passenger train to Dawson Creek was discontinued.

During the 1970s, significant investments also began in the Fort McMurray region as the Athabaskan tar sands deposits began to be exploited.

Canadian National Railway

In 1981, CN (name/acronym) change after 1960 bought out CPR's share in the NAR system and incorporated these lines into the CN network, allowing CN to operate unhindered north from Edmonton to Hay River, NWT and west to Dawson Creek, BC. NAR disappeared as a corporate entity with the departure of CPR from the joint ownership. NAR shops and Dunvegan Yards in Edmonton were demolished and the new Dunvegan Woods housing development was built on the site.

In 1996, CN identified parts of its former NAR trackage for divestiture, either through sale or abandonment. Several lines were subsequently sold to shortline operators.

• Swan Landing, AB (near Jasper) to Grand Prairie, AB (the former Alberta Resources Railway) and west to Hythe, AB (west of Grand Prairie on the NAR) is now operated by Alberta Railnet (ARN), which is owned by North American Railnet. CN has maintained ownership of the portion between Hythe, AB and Dawson Creek, BC where it connects to former BC Rail trackage. The trackage between Hythe and Dawson Creek fell into disuse in 1998, but CN agreed to re-open it as a condition of purchasing BC Rail.

• Edmonton, AB to Boyle, AB (east of Fort McMurray) was purchased in 1997 by the Lakeland and Waterways Railway (LWR), a subsidiary of Canadian shortline holding company RailLink. RailLink was subsequently purchased by RailAmerica.

• Boyle, AB to Fort McMurray, AB is now operated by Athabascan Northern Railway and is owned by shortline operator Cando Contracting.

• CN maintains ownership of former NAR trackage between Edmonton, AB and Smith, AB.

• North and west of Smith, AB, the former NAR to Peace River, AB and Grimshaw, AB, as well as all of the ex-Great Slave Railway north from Grimshaw, AB to Hay River, NWT, was purchased in 1998 by the Mackenzie Northern Railway (MKNR), a subsidiary of Canadian shortline holding company RailLink. RailLink was subsequently purchased by RailAmerica.

References

• Schneider, Ena (1989). Ribbons of Steel:The Story of the Northern Alberta Railways, Detselig Enterprises Limited, Calgary, Alberta. ISBN 0-920490-97-2.

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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

Did you miss the first in the series[?] Click on the URL:
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=246&TOPIC_ID=35270

Watch for the next installment: British Columbia Railways in two parts - date to be announced![tup]



(Waving flags credit to: www.3Dflags.com)

[siberianmo]

Here's something for Pete who appreciates the maps of US RRs . . . .

New York Central (NYC) (1929) [Wikimedia Commons]


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

Been awhile since you've seen a "new" Nostalgia piece - so try this one out:

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #68

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the New York Central (NYC) in a 1954 advertisement from my private collection:

A Natural for Slumber

Nature made only one low-level route between East and Midwest. And for a hundred years, New York Central has improved on Nature for your comfort.

Start your trip with refreshments in the lounge. Chat, read, relax as your diesel-electric dreamliner glides over a roadbed smooth as a garden path.

Later, sit at leisure over a famous New York Central dinner. Enjoy it in the diner . . . or in the privacy of your own Pullman hotel-room-on-wheels.

Bedtime is best of all! Your big, soft bed is waiting. So drift off to dreamland with a deep-down sense of all weather security no skyway or highway can match.

For you’re traveling the naturally gentle Water Level Route. And on the level, you can sleep!

For a Headstart on Tomorrow, Go New York Central Tonight!

CHICAGO – NEW YORK
20th Century Limited – Commodore Vanderbilt

CHICAGO – BOSTON
New England States

NEW YORK – St. LOUIS
Southwestern Limited – The Knickerbocker

NEW YORK – CLEVELAND
Cleveland Limited

NEW YORK – DETROIT
The Detroiter

CINCINNATI – NEW YORK
Ohio State Limited

DETROIT – CHICAGO
Motor City Special

CLEVELAND – CHICAGO]
The Forest City

New York Central’s Water Level Route

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Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Gents!

Blue sky day here in mid-Continent USA - but a bit on the chilly side - 21 (F) at Juneau walking time of 6:30 AM. Supposed to reach lower 30s - but the we're into single digits for the weekend mornings.[wow] No snow! Arggggggggggggggggh [tdn]

Three Posts since I departed last night - one offer of help, which I appreciate very much. Thanx, Rob!! Three Posts and only one on the inclusive side. Thanx again, Rob! [tup] Doug's joke rates a 7 on the "Snicker-scale."[swg]

Gonna be a long day for me and if you haven't a "clue" what I'm referring to, check the SUMMARY! Have 110 mile round trip to make, and the drive is about as exciting as watching paint dry![tdn]<grim>

So, Gents - I will be taking my leave shortly after some Posts to keep things movin' along . . .

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

Remember, to get acknowledged, one must acknowledge!

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and all! I'll have two light breakfasts, and some reading spectacles for Al's latest streamliner post. I definitely love all things Zephyr!

Sorry I can't be of help with posts during the day. Gotta do the work thing, ya know. But here's another part of the 1877 strike series:

The Great Strike of 1877 by H.R. Edwards Railroad Stories Feb. 1936

The railroad yards around Martinsburg were very much congested, with trains standing on all the sidetracks. Rioters were celebrating. There was nothing that local authorities could do but close all the liquor saloons in the city and send out a call for state and federal aid.

Meanwhile the strike movement was spreading westward to Wheeling, on the main stem, and also to the Parkersburg branch. The governor, Henry Matthews, appealed to the President of the United States, Rutherford B. Hayes. Mr. Hayes responded promptly, issuing a proclamation which ordered the rioters to disperse, and sending 400 troops of the regular army under Major General William H. French from Washington on a special train. William Keyser, the B&O’s second vice president, accompanied them in his car.

The soldiers reached Martinsburg early on the morning of July 19th. They were armed for battle, with Springfield rifles and three Gatling guns. They found 1,500 freight cars, some loaded, and seventy-three locomotives blocking the sidetracks in and about the city, but the main line was still open.

That day, under protection of bayonets, freight traffic started moving again to the east and west from Martinsburg. The blockade was partly lifted, but the strike was not ended. Indeed, it had barely begun. Inflamed by military interference, it became general even before nightfall of the 19th, crossing the Ohio River and extending as far west as Chicago.

At Grafton, W. Va., strikers cut bolts and connecting chains from all freight locomotives, ruining them for immediate use, and driving off the engine crews by force. At Newark and Columbus, Oh., freight trains were stopped and the wires west of Martinsburg were cut.

The second railroad to be swept into the strike was the Pennsylvania. On the morning of July 19th, the third day after the movement had started in Baltimore, the Pennsy freight men struck Pittsburgh, partly out of sympathy with the B&O strikers, but chiefly because the company doubled the number of cars on each train without increasing the number of crew, and also had more than doubled the distance.

At the morning call, strikers assembled in the yards and stopped every drag that attempted to roll a wheel. A dozen cattle trains at the East Liberty stockyards also were stopped. By midnight of the 19th fully 1,400 men had gathered in the two yards, and 1,500 cars were standing on the sidings; 200 of them were loaded with perishable goods.

Meanwhile, B&O Railroad officials balked at furnishing additional transportation to Major General French and his troops except on orders directly from Vice President King, because of the drunken condition of Major General French himself The railroad company was reported to have supplied three gallons of whiskey and two dozen bottles of ale in twenty-four hours for use in the general’s private car. Major General French answered the charges indignantly: “I think it outrageous hat if the officials put whiskey on board they should turn afterward on the officers for accepting the hospitality.”

Finally on the 22nd, the troops were given another special train and went merrily on their way. But while this petty bickering was going on, one of the bloodiest days of the strike was written in history.

Word reached Baltimore on the afternoon of the 20th that all freight trains leaving Martinsburg that day (still under military protection) were being stopped by strikers at Cumberland, Md., and the crews being taken off them. Thereupon the governor of Maryland, John Lee Carroll, issued an anti-rioting proclamation and ordered out the state militia at Baltimore. All day long throngs of citizens had been milling about the city anxiously watching the bulletin boards at newspaper offices and arguing over the situation. The clang of firebells at 5:30 P.M., calling the men to their armories for military duty, created the wildest excitement.

As the alarm rang out, crowds made their way toward the armories of the various regiments. That of the Sixth was located at Front and Fayette Streets, in a neighborhood frequented by the rough element. Before 6 P.M. a crowd of at least 2,000 men, women and children of Baltimore had surrounded the armory and were protesting military intervention. The crowd kept growing as men poured out of factories, sweat shops, stores and offices. Streets leading to the Sixth Regiment armory were jammed with a yelling cursing mob.

At 7:30 a man in uniform endeavored to get into the building. The rioters seized him, threw him over a bridge into Jone’s Falls, a stream which ran through that section of the city. Other militia men were seized and thrown over the heads of the mob; they were glad to escape with slight injuries. Then someone threw a brick at the soldier guarding a door of the armory. It was followed by a shower of missiles, which soon destroyed windows and doors of the building and injured some of the men. The whole available police force of the district was concentrated at this spot, but was powerless to quell the rising tumult.

At 8:15 P.M. Colonel Peters decided to march his command of 150 men to the Camden Station, to which General Herbert had ordered them to report. Each man was supplied with twenty rounds of ammunition and a breech loading Springfield rifle. They marched out with rifles loaded.

When they reached the door, passing out two by two, the order was given to stoop down as a shower of missiles greeted their appearance. The citizen soldiery wavered a moment, then marched solidly into the street, pressing back the angry mob and dodging stones. Finally the “tin soldiers”, as they were derisively called, could contain themselves no longer and opened fire on the strike sympathizers.

From then on, their progress toward the station was a series of rifle volleys in answer to showers of stones and scattering shots. Stores were hastily closed; peaceful citizens got off the main streets. At least nine persons were shot dead by the militia in their march to the depot, and a large number were wounded. The Fifth Regiment also was attacked en route to the station. All in all, it was a sad-looking group of citizen soldiers which finally reached the shelter of the railroad station. Vice President King of the B&O turned his private car into a hospital for the benefit of his military allies.

Late in the night of July 21st the rioters in West Baltimore set fire to a 37-car train of coal oil. This they fired by throwing wads of cotton waste saturated with flaming oil onto the train, but only seven cars, with three hundred barrels of oil, were burned. The rioters intended to run the train into Mount Clare and destroy the huge B&O shops there.

Shortly after a conflagration broke out near the President Street depot of the Philadelphia, Wilmington & Baltimore Railroad in Baltimore, but the efforts of police and firemen saved the station.

[:I] A man was being tailgated by a stressed out woman on a busy boulevard. Suddenly, the light turned yellow, just in front of him. He did the right thing, stopping at the crosswalk, even though he could have beaten the red light by accelerating through the intersection. The tailgating woman hit the roof, and the horn, screaming in frustration as she missed her chance to get through the intersection. As she was still in mid-rant, she heard a tap on her window and looked up into the face of a very serious police officer. The officer ordered her to exit her car with her hands up. He took her to the police station where she was searched, finger printed, photographed, and placed in a holding cell. After a couple of hours, a policeman approached the cell and opened the door. She was escorted back to the booking desk where the arresting officer was waiting with her personal effects.
He said, "I'm very sorry for this mistake. You see, I pulled up behind your car while you were blowing your horn, flipping off the guy in front of you, and cussing a blue streak at him. I noticed the 'Choose Life' license plate holder, the 'What Would Jesus Do' bumper sticker, the 'Follow Me to Sunday-School' bumper sticker, and the chrome-plated Christian fish emblem on the trunk. Naturally, I assumed you had stolen the car." [:I]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the early risers. Time for a coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER # 63

VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS CB&Q Trains 1-10 October 28, 1956 Chicago – Denver/Colorado Springs overnight daily 1,034 miles 16 hours 30 minutes
By Al

The last new full service long distance passenger trains to enter service before the advent of Amtrak on May 1, 1971 was the new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEP-HYRS inaugurated October 28, 1956. These new lightweight streamlined VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR consists replaced the articulated DENVER ZEPHYR trains of 1936. The new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS had come a long ways since the 1936 version had been introduced, the most obvious difference was no articulated cars in the new trains and all cars in the new trains were of standard streamlined dimensions.. The new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR was the train that introduced the Budd built Slumbercoach to the traveling public with its 24 Single Rooms and 8 Double Rooms. The new cars provided coach passengers with their own individual room complete with bed and toilet facilities including sink for $7.00 single or 11.00 double in addition to the price of a coach ticket. Each of the new DENVER ZEPHYR train sets was assigned two of the new Slumbercoaches one between Chicago – Denver the other between Chicago and Colorado Springs by way of Denver. With the introduction of the new 1956 VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR trains they became double destination trains at their western end. Four cars in each morning’s arriving westbound VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR in Denver were uncoupled from that train and coupled to the rear of the waiting D&RGW westbound ROYAL GORGE. The ROYAL GORGE then departed dropping these four cars in Colorado Springs where they were serviced and made ready for there departure on the rear of the eastbound ROYAL GORGE that afternoon. Back in Denver the four cars for the DENVER ZEPHYR were switched to that train in time for the overnight run to Chicago. The VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR of 1956 like the older 1936 DENVER ZEPHYR consists were interesting in that they were among the few overnight trains that carried both sleeping cars and Parlor cars. The Parlor seating was sold on the westbound VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR between Chicago and Omaha while the eastbound VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR sold Parlor seating space between Denver and Lincoln. Each consist of the new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS was fourteen cars in length and at peak travel times expanded to eighteen cars when needed. At peak travel periods the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS even operated in sections, when that occurred there was usually a first class section for Sleeping Car and Parlor Car passengers and an all Coach section for those passengers. The head end cars were older lightweight stream-lined cars while all others were new. The following represents the 1956 VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS on January 31, 1957 after each consist had received its full compliment of Slumbercoaches.

The last new full service long distance passenger trains to enter service prior to Amtrak.

The VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS initially entered service with a single Slumbercoach in each consist operating Chicago - Denver. Before Christmas 1956 a second pair of Slumbercoaches were delivered for service in the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS and these were through cars to Colorado Springs.

CONSIST ONE

9990 EMD E9A 2,400 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

9993 EMD E9A 2,400 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1601 SILVER MAIL Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

906 ARGO Baggage Car

4741 SILVER REIN 50- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

4736 SILVER BRAND 24- Seat Vista Dome 46- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

4901 SILVER SLUMBER 24-Single Room 8-Double Room Slumbercoach

4737 SILVER BIT 50- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach (Chicago – Colorado Springs)

254 SILVER KETTLE 24- Seat Vista Dome “Chuck Wagon” 19- Seat Coffee Shop 8- Seat Lunch Counter 4- Seat Dinette 15-Crew Dormitory Car (Chicago – Colorado Springs)

4902 SILVER REST 24-Single Room 8-Double Room Slumbercoach (Chicago – Colorado Springs)

493 SILVER RIDGE 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Chicago – Colorado Springs)

201 SILVER CHEF 48- Seat Dining Car

453 SILVER SWAN 5-Compartment 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

486 SILVER PLATEAU 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

487 SILVER HOLLOW 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

236 SILVER VERANDA 24-Seat Vista Dome 11- Revenue Seat Parlor 5- Revenue Seat Parlor Drawing Room Bar 12- Seat Lounge 12- Seat Lounge Observation

The following four cars in the above consist were through cars between Chicago and Colorado Springs. These cars were switched out of the arriving DENVER ZEPHYR every other morning and coupled to the rear of the D&RGW ROYAL GORGE waiting on another track at Denver Union Station. The four cars were dropped in Colorado Springs at the D&RGW station by the westbound ROYAL GORGE and were then cleaned and serviced and moved to the Santa Fe station to await the eastbound ROYAL GORGE for the return to Denver Union Station where the cars were added to that days eastbound DENVER ZEPHYR.

4737 SILVER BIT

254 SILVER KETTLE

4902 SILVER REST

493 SILVER RIDGE


CONSIST TWO

9985A EMD E9A 2,400 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

9985B EMD E9A 2,400 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1604 SILVER POUCH Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

907 OLYMPUS Baggage Car

4739 SILVER HALTER 50- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

4735 SILVER BUCKLE 24- Seat Vista Dome 46- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

4900 SILVER SIESTA 24-Single Room 8-Double Room Slumbercoach

4738 SILVER BLANKET 50- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach (Colorado Springs – Chicago)

253 SILVER CUP 24- Seat Vista Dome “Chuck Wagon” 19- Seat Coffee Shop 8- Seat Lunch Counter 4- Seat Lounge 15-Crew Dormitory Car (Colorado Springs – Chicago)

4903 SILVER REPOSE 24-Single Room 8-Double Room Slumbercoach (Colorado Springs – Chicago)

485 SILVER TERRAIN 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Colorado Springs – Chicago)

202 SILVER TUREEN 48- Seat Dining Car

454 SILVER PELICAN 5-Compartment 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

491 SILVER RAVINE 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

488 SILVER BOULDER 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

235 SILVER CHATEAU 24- Seat Vista Dome 11- Revenue Seat Parlor 5- Revenue Seat Parlor Drawing Room Bar 12- Seat Lounge 12- Seat Lounge Observation

The following cars in consist two operated as through Chicago – Colorado Springs cars. See the paragraph at the end of consist one for more complete details.

4738 SILVER BLANKET

253 SILVER CUP

4903 SILVER REPOSE

485 SILVER TERRAIN

Another unusual feature of the DENVER ZEPHYRS was the fact they were one of but a handful of trains in the United States to operate with both sleeping cars and Parlor seating in the same train. This was a carry over from the earlier DENVER ZEPHYR where both types of first class accommodation operated. Actually the westbound DENVER ZEPHYR carried Parlor car passengers between Chicago and Omaha and eastbound the DENVER ZEPHYR carried Parlor car passengers between Denver and Lincoln.
The DENVER ZEPHYR was probably one of the finest streamlined trains in the United States and was certainly one of the finest constructed by Budd. Like all CB&Q Budd built cars the DENVER ZEPHYR cars were deluxe cars with full side skirting, something Carmen often complained about especially when the cars arrived after a winter storm on the plains and were covered in ice, but it certainly gave the cars a finished appearance. Few other roads ordered Budd cars with full skirting instead all of the underbody equipment was visible as the cars were viewed from the side. Only the CB&Q ordered deluxe cars from Budd for every ZEPHYR they ever operated.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

We open at 6 AM (all times zones!) (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]

FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

Mornin’ All! The best way to start the day is here with us![tup] Some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery along with a hot cuppa freshly brewed coffee “works” well! Then we have our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts from the Menu Board. So, c’mon and join us![tup]

Anyone watching[?] We are coming up on the 5,000th reply at ”Our” Place! And there were “those” who said this Thread would fold-up in a matter of several weeks![tdn][swg]

NAME THE CASH REGISTERS! I think we’re going to have to come up with names for our two cash registers (both mechanical) one at each 1/3rd of the bar. So let’s kick that idea ‘round, okay After all, we have Coal Scuttle for the Pig’s Feet Jar “feeding” our Juke, Herr Wurltizer. So, why not a couple of names for the cash boxes So let’s have some ideas, Gents!

. . . . from Pete “Tilla the Hun” for one of ‘em.


HELP REQUIRED! for today. I will be away from the keyboard for about a 7 hour period. Should be departing here around 10 AM (Central), so PULEEEZE guys, try to fill in the “blanks” with appropriately TIMED Posts. Ain’t asking much – just spread ‘em out and all will go just fine. The good news is that Cindy is taking a “personal day” from the University and will fill in while I’m away![yeah][wow]


Daily Wisdom

If you ask me a question I don’t know, I’m not going to answer.
(yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear: Southern Pacific arrives next Tuesday! This will be the THEME for the DAY!

* Weekly Calendar:

Today: Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and – ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) passengerfan Al Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 03:39:03 (248) Streamliner #62, Daylight SP

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 05:27:09 (248) for passengerfan

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 05:30:28 (248) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(4) passengerfan Al Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 07:21:56 (248) Oooooooooops!

(5) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 08:14:56 (248) Inclusive Post, etc.

(6) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 08:21:48 (248) Encore! Classic Steam #13 Forming of CNR

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 09:34:09 (248) Acknowledgments, etc.

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 11:21:32 (248) Railways of Europe #2 – Eurostar (London-Paris-Brussels)

(9) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 11:46:53 (248) AM visit, etc.

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 13:56:18 (248) reply to CM3, etc.

(11) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 14:38:37 (248) PM acknowledments, etc.

(12) passengerfan Al Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 15:31:53 (249) Pm acknowledgment, etc.

(13) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 17:22:40 (249)

(14) pwolfe Pete Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 17:55:58 (249) Inclusive Post, etc.

(15) barndad Doug Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 17:58:45 (249) Inclusive Post, jokes & The Great Strike of 1877 & joke!

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 19:01:11 (249) Acknowledgments, etc.

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 22:36:03 (249) Inclusive Post, etc.



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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[trolleyboy]

Good evening folks. Leon a round if you please sir.

tom you will be happy to know that H&H stayed out of Boris's shed ( I shackled them to the prep counter ) Wonder why Nick had those leg shackles in the kitchen anyway. I wil likley pop in and out tomorrow bit of a busy day off for me but I'll do my very best to move stuff along.

Great Eurostar article BTW Pete seems to have picked up on it rather instantly as well [tup]


I don't think that I can top those till names from Pete they just seem right to me. [tup][tup]Your emails were recieved and responded to as well.
Pete Still can't help you with the foxes,it's a head scratcher for me as well. The 4-6-0 was the lifeblood of both CN and CP between the two of them they litterally had thousands of them.

lars No problem about may I knew you were committed elsewhere we'll catch you in 2007 fer sure[tup]

Doug I give those last jokes three groans out of a possible six on the groanameter. Like the new article series, seeing those wage numbers I'm not suprised that strikes happened.

CM3 Nice to see you again sir, awfull to hear about that accident though. I'm amarzed at the number of people I see everyweek doing just what that guy did. Two years ago we had a rash of similar accidents here in Brantford. 90% of CN is elevated away from traffic throuhg the city and the bits that aren't are all gated and signalled. Yet that year saw 5 fatalities, one a car drove into the side of a train after the locomotives and the first 12 cars were through the crossing ! A cell phone was involved need I say more.

Well thunder and lightening happening outside so I'm gone for the day. Keep safe everyone. Rob

[siberianmo]

G’day!

What a storm system we experienced this afternoon – temps dropped from 71 (F) to 40 (F) in less than 20 minutes – no kidding. Supposed to be in the 20s by the AM. Fortunately, nothing all that severe where we are, but the tornado sirens were blaring throughout the area – so something was happen’ and it wasn’t good. Living in mid-Continent USA is kinda like the “Feast or Famine Bar ‘n Grill” – one just never knows what to expect![swg]

I put out a “plea” for some help – and what do I get[?] Only ONE acknowledgment!! Sad – very sad.[tdn] There are times, Gents – there are times . . .

Looks like the Eurostar hit a positive note with some – that was the intent. The idea is to draw some comments, and that it did.[tup] Of course, there will always be some who simply cannot get it about the “inclusiveness” of this Thread. Screw ‘em . . .

To the acknowledgments:

LoveDomes Lars
Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 14:38:37

Always appreciate your visits, and of course generosity with the rounds! Those ten dollar bills must be printed in your basement at the rate you spend ‘em in here![swg]

I think I owe you an apology for a comment made the other day about the old R&H brewery on Staten Island. Yeah – I surely do remember it and the brew. In fact the summer before I enlisted in the USCG, I was working with my uncle as an apprentice plumber (a story for another time and place . . . ) Anyway, he won a contract to “re-pipe” the brewery. What a wonderful several weeks of that hot summer![swg]

You’d like Pete – he’s good “people” and would make a great shipmate![tup]

THANX VERY MUCH for the offer to help out tomorrow![tup][tup][tup]

passengerfan Al
Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 15:31:53

Thanx for the round! Sounds like quite an endorsement from your friend regarding “Eurostar.” Must’ve really impressed him . . .

pwolfe Pete
Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 17:55:58

You asked – here it is:

QUOTE: A "rounder" is a person who lives a hedonistic lifestyle, without moral inhibitions.
A rounder is a gambler who makes their living entirely at playing cards. Rounding used to be illegal in the United States due to gaming laws, however many states have eased these and allowed "home" poker games to take place.
Today, the term rounder carries a certain respect amongst card players, as they know anyone with that title knows their way around a table and is a person to be taken seriously, unlike the opposite of a rounder, a fish. Its definition has also changed to include players that make a living by "hustling" less experienced players in games during their "rounds".
Some noted rounders include Doyle Brunson, Amarillo Slim, and Sailor Roberts. A movie about poker named Rounders was made in 1998, starring Matt Damon and Edward Norton.

from: Wikipedia

Now that’s a good name for one of our cash registers: “TILLA” – yeah, I like that! And yes, we DO call ‘em TILS over here as well![swg] So, what’s the name for the other one[?] Thanx, Pete! Can always count on you to READ what’s been Posted!![tup][tup]

Should we make it over to Merry Olde the four of us will just have to make a point of traveling through the “Chunnel,” okay[?] Would be a great experience, fer sure, fer sure.

Appreciate your comments on the Eurostar and the rest . . . always interesting and always on point! Thanx![tup][tup][tup]


barndad Doug
Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 17:58:45

Hate to tell you this, but you BROKE the “Joke-o-meter!”[swg]

Looks like an interesting series and I’ll have to add it to the “stack” of things to read when things are slow – which is between 10 AM and 4 PM most days (except for Lars’ Posts . . . I did catch that wage scale chart, though – can you imagine![?]

Received your Email – thanx!

Be careful with “promises” – you may be held to ‘em![swg] Hope you do have the opportunity of joining us for the 2007 Rendezvous!


Okay, Gents – once again, Leon the Night Man will have the bar at 9 PM!


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!