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[siberianmo]

G’day!

Time for a round on the house – this one is from BK’s “Bag ‘o Cash!”[swg]

A bit of a pickup today with the Posts after a rather “odd” day yesterday. We had the “numbers” but not quite when and where I thought they would be. Okay, so much for that!


BK Nice to see ya again and settling in! Don’t be in a rush, we’ll be here and there’s plenty of time for this ‘n that.[tup]

In your part of the world, I’d say there’s lots and lots to do and see, and now that you’ve made up your mind about retirement – go do and go see![swg]

Glad that the Lionel catalog perked your interests! You’ll enjoy it and should you decide to resurrect that childhood set of yours, it will serve as a great guide for future purchases.[tup]

I fully understand your feelings about travel and getting from place to place. There have been many, many times in my experiences where the flights all ran together – nothing special, nothing out of the ordinary, just a “vehicle,” so to speak. BUT when it comes to train travel – ah, that’s another thing entirely. I’ve ALWAYS been captivated by the sights and sounds of ‘em – even the smells (at times!).[swg] It’s only in my latter years that I’ve begun to maintain a notebook and take Pix. Just something that now goes with the territory.

You covered quite a bit of ground there with your Post and I’ll just leave it at that. I share many, many of your opinions and once again find that we have more in common than not. However, I long ago found that there’s no way that I will be able to return this society to where it once was. CHANGE, something that is all around us and like the TIDES themselves, will always come rolling in. Survivors must adapt – the alternative stinks.


Pete Sorry to hear about the difficulty you are experiencing with the Forum. My thinking is that it is a computer situation. Perhaps something to look into. I know from my experiences that a “routine” purging of files and the system itself MUST be done to keep the machine operating as advertised. It’s definitely strange that only one page will not load – but that sounds like a software glitch somewhere and “cleaning up” the disc, the cache, etc. may help.

Glad you can relate to the “stuff” about childhood trains. Certainly an important element in my growing up, and apparently yours. Wouldn’t it be great to replicate those toys we once had[?][yeah]


Lars All I can say is INCREDIBLE – absolutely incredible turn of events. If it wasn’t really happening to you, it would somehow be humorous. Reminds me a bit of the insensitive receptionists who work the desks at hospitals, doctor’s offices and the like. You know – “What’s your problem?” kind of “greeting.” Really makes one’s day, eh[?]

I would have done precisely the same thing about the check – screw ‘em. Idiots! Hopefully you will wake up to the rat-a-tat-tat-tat of a construction crew knocking the daylights out of your foundation wall. Isn’t that a lovely thought[?][?]

Tell us how you REALLY feel about our friends across the “Channel!”[swg]

Well, there’s one thing you can look forward to in all of this – things have “bottomed out,” so the only way to go now is “up!”[tup]


Dave Needless to say more than one wondered where the “King of SP” was yesterday. There was a “ton” of material Posted and more than likely won’t be again – far too much time and effort to do THAT over again. However, the pages LIVE and they are worth going through.

There’s plenty of quarters in the Coal Scuttle help yourself! Play the tunes that turn you on, Mate![swg]

Thanx for the fifty! Looks like we’ll be providing “freebies” for some time to come, given the Lars Box – BK’s Bag ‘o Cash – and now your fifty.[tup][tup]


If I’ve failed to recognize anyone or any rounds – let me say THANX to all now![swg]


LEON the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!


Later![tup]


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[West Coast S]

Afternoon Tom and the gang..I second a round as a toast to SP day!!

Well, had to keep medical appointments yesterday followed by the "honey do" list which kept me on the go until the wee hours of the morning...But great job with SP day, Might I add that had Harriman not passed away in 1908 the UP/SP merger would have been a reality, UP held a controlling interest in CP/SP after 1904 and the intention was to combine SP/UP and spin the CP off to a third unknown interest, thought now to be the Guild interest (WP/D&RGW).

Upon Harriman's death his business practices came under scrunity by the federal governement who took notice due to the bitter contestment of his will and estate as it was ligated in federal court. The ruling, handed down in 1913 ordered UP to sell all outstanding SP interest and for both roads to devest themself of controlling interest of the Central Pacific. Upon gaining independence SP quickly merged the CP and forced the WP/Rio Grande to accept terms that gave SP the majority of the business and halted WP expansion plans. At least until the mid 20's certain
Classes of locomotives remained sub-lettered for the CP. The SP incorporated the CP into the SP in 1946.

Trainmasters on the SP...PartII

TM-3, TM4, trainmasters were tested on the Shasta Division were the cool, dense air was to their liking, there was no doubt that when sufficent units were available that would be the assigned district. SP had a policy of assigning new purchases outside California to avoid paying sales tax, FM did not forsee them being assigned to El Paso where the gritty desert enviorment wreaked havoc with the crankshafts due to ingested dust, FM had no quick fixes, other then to reassign the units, that SP was dead set against and shop forces undertook a improved filter design that reduced the dammage but did not totaly eliminate scored crankshafts. Eventually, shop forces and officials became tired of the labor needed to overhaul these opposed piston prime movers and the decision was reached to reassign them to the Bay Area, SP's collective unwanted orphan terrority were there were no dust problems and shop were well versed in maintaince of odd power. No doubt the initial defective filter design soured SP on additional FM purchases.

They arrived in San Francisco in October 1957, they we found to be well suited for commute duties and quickly spelled the end for all remaing steam power, they had the speed and power in a single engine design to maintain the hectic three minute headway. During this period, during off peak hours and holidays the trainmasters would venture into freight duty, this lasted until complaints were recieved from shops not accustomed to the finer points of FM maintaince, since they did not get it, road failures often occured when in freight service and the units often were returned to the commute pool covered in grime,oil and dust. SP decreed by 1965 that the FM's be held only for commute duty, thus perserving their paint and mechanical reliabilty, in this capacity they served until 1975 as prestine as the day FM delivered them.

Strangely, the Southern's eight unit trainmaster order suffered from overheating in the many tunnels on the Rathole, elephant ears proved to be the answer, but it killed any future orders by the Southern and no doubt impacted the bying decisions by the N&W who was seeking new power to replace the remaining steam. SP never encountered overheating issues with the FM, despite greater mileage of tunnels and extensive desert terrority and elevation changes.

PWolf..Appreciate the number, i'll have to research its history

Barndad.. No harm, no foul, just good fun among friends.

Well, better got back to the grind stone, here's a fifty for the bar, now how about some Bob Wills Boogie on the juke.


Dave

[LoveDomes]

Good Afternoon Tom and whoever may be in the back room!

I NEED a JD on the rocks and I NEED it NOW! Skip the hero and lemme have a couple of those hard boiled eggs from the jar. It’s been one of THOSE days.<groan>

So the guys were supposed to be here, bright eyed, bushy tailed and ready to go at daybreak. Sure, and Santa Claus is really Tim Allen. It is approaching 3 here on the right coast and we haven’t seen hide nor hair of ‘em yet. Looks like that “estimate” of theirs is off to a bad start. The “beast” is on the phone right now!<smile>

Got a call from the insurance company though and they asked if we had cashed the check! Now that conjures up all kinds of images, huh? My response was yes (although we haven’t been to the bank yet). The guy sorta groaned a bit and said, “Well, okay, but (she) shudda had a second adjuster check out the situation before writing the check.” Gee whiz, *** Tracy, and just how long have you people been doing this? First you send the gal into some possible bad news situation, then you tell me I shouldn’t cash your check! Oh this is just not our day, week or month! Is the Penthouse Suite available for the weekend??<swg>

Couldn’t agree with you more, BK and the way of today’s world surely isn’t what I was accustomed to in my line of work. Competence must be one of those “banned” words from this new breed of individual who will supposedly “lead us” to even “greater accomplishments” this century. HA – or as I’ve seen here a few times, BARF!! Double BARF. I wouldn’t waste the powder it would take to blow some of these AH types to Kingdom Come – and if you are thinking how “cruel” I must be. You’re blankety-blank correct on that one, Mate! Barkeep – gimme another one!

I’m probably sounding like a broken record, but as the days move forward, I’m moving backwards in terms of trying to catch up here. All I’m able to really do is read the page I’m on and perhaps some of the one before . . . time just isn’t my own.

Sorry that I haven’t contributed a name for your cash register or registers. I will – just have to think a bit on it. Good idea, though.[tup]

Nice post on the “Frenchies” and looks like we’ll get a bit more tomorrow, huh? Well, I’m going to step on it once again – but these folks are not my favorites. Their trains are something else though – I too have traveled aboard the TGV and it is quite an experience.

However, does anyone recall the Renault? How about the Citroen? I think there were a few others out there that didn’t quite make it here in the North American markets. Must have been a reason![swg] Why the attitude you ask? Well just check back through history – not the revisionist kind – the real stuff and you’ll determine the reason why some of us feel the way we do. Two world wars to save their bacon should be a good start. I apologize for the political-nationalistic-anti & mean spirited comments! There – have I covered the bases? Drinks on me from the “Lars Box” if you please! I’m outta tens today.

Sorry Gents, but I have to skeedaddle. Wife is sounding like she’s losing it – so I need to provide whatever degree of support she’ll permit![swg]

Just caught your Post, Pete! Sorry I haven't the time to comment . . . . other than to say perhaps that loading issue has to do with your computer. It may be time to "purge" the system of unwanted files - they do pile up rather fast and gobble up lots and lots of memory. Just a thought . . .

Until the next time!

Lars

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of the Bathams XXX. and a round for the SP day. I had read some of the your TOM and AL's posts when I had to do something when I came back, page 253 would not load after several attempts. I hoped it would be OK today but NO. Page 252& 254 OK but no 253. I must apologise for not replying to any who posted later on that page.

From what I was able to read another great theme day [tup][tup]Are there any more details on the Mussel Slough incident. [?]

ROB Thanks for the SP diesel roster and good to see the Classic Diesels. It is strange how some very well known steam loco builders were unable to convert to diesel construction. It was the same in the U.K.

CM3 Great post on the Lionel catalogs.At the time the well known engineers had almost star status. In the UK loco drivers like Bill Hoole and Laurie Earle were household names in the 30s.

BK Just caught your post. Good words[tup] .

TOM Thanks for sharing your post on the Lionel set it brought back memories for me. How I wish I still had some of my set. I had a TRIX wreaking train with a 0-4-0 diesel switcher, crane, mess coach, and brake van. I have never seen this set at any model meets in England. [:(]
Looking forward to learning more about the French TGVs tomorrow
PETE.

[BudKarr]

Greetings Captain Tom and all assembled!

Another fine day, in the 20s (F) and partly cloudy with some intermittent snow showers, nothing heavy. Just paradise up here in the high country!<smile> Before you break out that whistle of yours (Tweeter, is it?) I will have a Johnny Walker Black, straight up if you please. Nothing to eat right now, still settling the sumptuous feast my love prepared this morning. Brunch around here is a 5 course meal! I am a large man, but not in the places where I will “grow” should I continue eating this way!<smile>

I have about 10 pages to go in order to get back to where I was before my European trip began. Sure is a lot of info posted on this thread.

Captain Tom, how about dipping into that “Sack ‘o Cash” (as you referred to it) and give the guys a drink on me! Ok – you can hold off until someone shows up. What in the world has happened to this place? Many changes, both in people who frequent it and the postings. Both are fine with me, just different and it shows when one has been away for as long as I. No point in my getting into the personalities and the like, for it could easily become a point of irritation for some. But I will offer this – perhaps the cream has indeed risen to the top and the guys you have as regulars today, were those who were your true nucleus all along. Something to think about.

Lars, my friend, I would say you have had your share – and then some – of just plain BS. Time for things to turn upwards for you and your Mrs. That situation you described about the insurance adjuster might seem rather preposterous to some, but I can tell you first hand that those kinds of screw ups happen and happen more frequently than many of us realize. While I have no “handle” on what happened in her office and who dispatched her in the wrong direction, but when you consider the “time is money’ approach to business, some people become really careless and do not double check, even triple check, before making a decision. If life and limb were on the line, as you experienced in your career Captain Tom, this surely would not be anything to smile at. She is a fortunate young lady that whoever occupied that house was not home. My guess is that the company’s responsible person who sent her, will never, ever get so much as a slap on the wrist for the foul up. That is what would bother me and does. Hope the sunshine is not too far off, Lars!

That book on Lionel trains is something I have ordered, straight away, from amazon.com. It looks like a “keeper” and I am looking forward to reviewing it. Maybe my train set is in it – should be, as I believe it is from the late 1940s. Perhaps one day I will have something more to offer for the Pike Perspectives aspect of the weekly goings on.

I never fully appreciated just how much rail impacted Canada until spending as much time as I have in this part of the country. Without it, there would be no population centers in between the coasts and Great Lakes. Just that simple. The railroads were and still are a vital link to the societal and financial well being of the country. Had I to do it again, I would write my Thesis on that subject for one of my higher level degrees.

It is rather easy for one to get a warped sense of reality on these Forums (not just Kalmbach) where everyone seems to “know” everything about everything. Many, I believe, are pretty much the Lemming in that if they see it, they instantly believe it (or “follow”) and we all know what the results of that kind of behavior leads to! There was a fellow who used to provide some rather insightful URLs here and also provided historically accurate accountings of railroading in his family. If each of us would be so inclined to state what is, rather than what “shudda, wudda, cudda,” would not we all have a better reading experience? That has been one of my major drawbacks with the Forums – sorting through the nonsense in order to reach the facts. Perhaps it has to do with the “mix” in the cyber world where credentials are not required. Then again, we have become a society where “Blogging” seems to rule, irregardless and irrespective of the source(s). Oh my, look where I have drifted – I have overstated the case and wound up on a “soap box”! Drinks on me, if you please!<grin>

Another observation, if you please. Is it me or are there more of these “survey” things being put out all over the Forums? As I have been scrolling “back through time” both here and on this particular Forum, I have noticed all kinds of nonsense questions. Some even responded to by guys from here! Now the question(s) may appear rather legitimate, but when you check the submitter’s profile and get very little, I would be wary. Secondly, what in the world do these people “do” with the information? We know the answer – nothing. It is that spur of the moment, speak before thinking approach, that comes so easily here in cyber space.

Looks like we will be heading down to Edmonton pretty soon, or Calgary – I am not certain which comes first. These early days of retirement have me wondering whether I am in charge of my calendar, or have I ceded it elsewhere?<smile> Nevertheless, we have some “hob nobbing” to take care of, some administrative matters to attend to, and some fun to partake in. Just wish I could get her to ride in the helo!<grin>

My hopes are to check back sometime tomorrow as I am looking forward to your segment on the French TGV trains. Rode those once or twice, but as usual, not for pleasure, although I must say the experience was pleasurable. No play on words there, just that transportation to me is a matter of getting from one point to another. Anything that adds to it has to be of significant note, otherwise it just blends in with the décor, so to speak. The TGV is a fine vehicle and well done. Kudos to the French for that one!

Hope to return tomorrow, but surely before the weekend.

BK

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #69

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the RAILWAYS OF FRANCE from a 1933 advertisement in my personal collection.
. . . . . . . . . . . France . . . . . . . . . . .

for new scenes and new interests . . . not the usual faces and amusements of your favorite resort . . . but PARIS

Your aperitif at a tiny sidewalk table, a book mart along the Seine, Versailles and its glamorous past . . . Le Touquet and La Braule for week-ends.

Rouen with its blue roofs massing under pointed Gothic towers and silver-toned bells . . . the fashionable seaside resorts of Deauville, Dinard and Biarritz . . . curious Carnae of the Druid stones

Down the Loire to Chambord, an architectural marvel of the renaissance . . . Orleans, of the time of Caesar, the capital of the Carnute people where centuries later Jeanne d’arc met her King.

Renew your strength and youth at the Spas of Vichy, Aix les Bains and Vittel . . . the majestic forests of Voeges . . . Alsace, land of storks

Cannes, Monte Carlo flaunt a luxurious sub-tropical beauty along that Azure Sea with Corsica situating under a cloudless sky . . ./ and far above, rugged mountains tower into sparkling Alpine glaciers

The finest and fastest trains with tariffs of less than two cents a mile through roads our ancestors traveled when the middle ages were young . . . hotels and pensions cheaper than ever before . . . villas, garlanded with roses and honeysuckle

Your travel agency has brochures that are little journeys in themselves,

. . . . . RAILWAYS of FRANCE . . . . .

. . . . . 1 EAST 57TH STREET NEW YORK . . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom

[siberianmo]

Good Morning Gents,

Nice to see CM3 & Rob make their morning visits! Also, twenty fingers Al still chugging along with the SP!![swg]

Good dialogue all around, Gents and much appreciated this AM![tup] Appreciate the postiive comments and vibes with regard to the happenings 'round here and of course, the Posts.[tup]

Thanx for your Classics Index and the Classic Diesels #2 - the first reminds me that I'm overdue with mine and the latter tells me that there's a lot I still don't know - good job![tup][tup]

I'd say a couple of guys were rather conspicuous by their absence yesterday - but it's happened before on these "Theme days." The one guy you'd expect to "jump all over" the "Theme" just didn't show. His loss, if - that is the pages aren't reviewed. One can lead a horse to water . . . . and I've tried to ensure that everyone gets notified of these "special Posts" well in advance of the date.

The talk of "Pike Perspectives" brings to mind something that I've meant to share with you guys. Here's a referernce book that is replete with some fine information about Lionel Trains (from "my" era) along with some mighty fine pictures of the rolling stock & locos along with the advertisements that many of us recall from childhood.

Standard Catalog of Lionel Trains (1945-1969)


Now, I haven't been a Lionel fan during my adulthood (recent purchase of the Polar Express is an exception!). Everything I hold 'dear' comes from childhood. Without getting too far into my personal life, let's just say that all of my trains from back then are just memories. This catalog is one great resource to bring 'em back to life. Although I must admit that the freight set I had is not listed. The author goes to great pains to elaborate on all aspects of the products put out by Lionel. Perhaps mine was one of those "promotional" sets that were sold during the Christmas Season in so many department stores and toy shops. These are not listed in catalogs and the like. So, the best I could do was to find each piece - look 'em up and try to "reassmble" my train that way. I've come close - but still no cigar!

The set was an O-27 powered by their "standard" transformer of the day. The loco was a PRR S2 Steam Turbine #2020 with a whistling tender. The loco had MagneTraction and handled the smoke pellets. I recall the cars being a wrecker caboose (DL&W) - a crane car (PRR) - an operating log car (Lionel Lines) - a gondola car (NYC - I think) and a searchlight car (Lionel Lines). Over the years I added to this set and the roadnames have all run together in my mind., I think I wound up with about 15 freight cars. Also had assembled a piece-by-piece passenger train - kind of an abomination - a SW1 (PRR) - with 2 illuminated coaches and an observation car (green cars, I seem to recall.) Bought 'em all at a hobby shop featuring used stuff - that's where my paper route and grocery clerk wages ultimately went![swg] I added a great transformer to it all - not the ZW, which I used to dream about! - but the next in line, the KW. Was really a fine power house and operated everything just fine. I had 3 sets of turnouts switches) that's 3 RH, 3 LH and the illuminated bumpers to go with 'em for the sidings. It was my "empire," and although gone, gone, gone - it still "lives" in that place we call the "mind's eye!"

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Okay back with another Classic diesels segment. I'm thinking of talking about all things diesel in this new stall of the roundhouse,see latest index near the top of the page. If anuone has a speacial request let me know hear or via email,If I haave the info or can find it I'll post it for you,or better yet post it yourselves as well, the more fumes the better. [:D][swg][:-^]

Enjoy Rob

CLASSIC DIESELS # 2 THE LOCO COMPANIES pt 1

ALCO PRODUCTS

American Locomotive Company of Schenectady NY. It an dit's predecessors had been in the locomotive business since the 1850's (steam).And were one of the largest steam locomotive builders in NA. The company changed names to ALCO Products in 1956, Alco turned out it's last diesel locomotive in 1969. Loco's produced were the altime favorites, FA,FB,PA,PB ,RS1's2's,&3's etc .They built for all the major US and CDB RY's as well as some overseas export contracts.

BBD

Bombardier Inc of Montreal Quebec,this was the sucessor of MLW ( CDN ALCO )From the purchase of MLW in 1975 Bombardier continued building locomotives with Alco design 251 series motors until 1985. Mostly for CN but also for VIA Mexico the Providemse and Worchester RY and a few south american contracts. VIA LRC's . CN and P&W M420's CN HR 412's and HR 616's

BLW

Baldwin locomotive works, of Eddystone PA. A long time heavy weight in the steam locomotive world, they werea late joiner to the fiesel building fray,the companies history dated back to the 1830's !They did not have an easy transition to diesel manufactirure lagging far behind Alco and Gm. Baldwin merged with Lima-Hamilton to add thier deisel expertise ( mostly small industrial types )to their line up in 1950. BLH Baldwin-Lima-Hamilton continued to struggle with their switcher and raod switcher lines and as a result produced their last locomotives in 1956.

CLC

Candian Locomotive Company,of Kingston Ontario.This was a major builder of steam locomotives ( Baldwin Designs ).In the 1940's they began to market Baldwin and Whitcomb industrial diesels in Canada.Latre they manufactured diesels of fairbanks Morse design for the canadian RY's C-liners,trainmasters etc.It also brought out some smalldiesel designs of it's own, and produced under licence davenport-Porter industrial diesels when that compant stopped producing these locomotives. CLC disapeared in the mid 60's

DAV

Davenport Locomotive works, of Davenport Iowa.They produced a line of industrial locomotives and occationally built small switchers for class one locomotives. In 1950 Davenport added H.K. Porter's locomotives to it's own line but ceased building units in 1956.Porter was also known for it's small logging and industrial steam locomotives of the teens to the 40's as well.

[trolleyboy]

Morning Tom, just one lite breakfast this am, and a big coffee to wash it down.

Tom recieved the email, the response is off somewhere between this keyboard and yours. [tup]. I must say that I like the picture on today's summery,just a really really good shot. [tup][tup] Will drop a bit of P&P on you in a few moments.

Al Wow after yesterday's I didn't thuink you would have any SP info left. [bow][;)]

CM3 And how are you this fine AM. ( other than cold ) I too did not need any gas today and the pumps are at 75 cents a litre, lowest it's been in a good 6 months. Darn these fuel effivient cars.[swg] Interesting stuff on Lionel, I'm actually supprised that their "copy" has disappeared,s eeing that they are still manufacturing trains,unlike AF which has been gone for quiye a while now. Funny how that happens. I don't get tracks ahead all that often anymore, our PBS station out of Buffalo does not regularly run it, once in a blue moon, usually during thier fundraising drive [banghead] nothing induces me not to watch more than that,something with the personalities of their fund raisers they just make my skin crawl. Dom't get me wrong it's a great form of TV , they just need a better group of spokes people. Boris wring a round i've strayed a bit there. bwooong gwooong bwoong BORIS put that perch back !


On to todays pikes perspectives. As you folks may or may not know, I just ripped down the benchwork , and transported it to the Attic bedroom(s) Heather's not aware of the plural yet. [;)][:O]. Anyway it's affording me more room and less obsticles,the original basement bedroom had a door two windows and a closet (to which adequate access was required ) had to be bridged by some form of removable benchwork - not a particularly operationally sound or feasable thing.

I can now go a bit bigger ( layout not scale ) and add a semi second deck on which a greatly expanded streetcar system and city scene will be built. So sawdust in my ears time again.I'll also be able to use the roundhouse and diesel shop models that i have forthe regular trains on the main part of the layout,may even have room for a small yard ( neither would have happened in the basement )

Well folks I'm away fer now.Back soon.

Rob

[coalminer3]

Good Morn ing Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Lovely day here as we got 6" of "no accumulation." Who needs Olympic hockey when we have all skate on the local highways (lots of fun with log buggies and coal trucks) Gas is $2.19/gal. today - as our 'steamed proprietor noted, I, too, did not need any today.

Most recent issue of Classic Trains has a feature on the TH&B - something of interest to more than a few who stop by.

Since today is Pike Perspectives (no Boris, we're not going ice fishing) - let's talk abt. Lionel and AF ads. The last episode of Tracks Ahead shown locally (it runs on our PBS affiliate here now and then) had a most interesting story on Lionel catalogs.

They showed pictures of some of the catalog covers and some of the few pieces of Lionel catalog art that remained. Lionel stressed family values and the story explained how this theme was worked into their ads.

The story line also told how the catalog art was done by various commercial houses, used in the catalogs and then tossed out (!) by the commercial houses as they considered it to be "just another job." Some of it was preserved, however, and it was like stepping into a time machine.

The outstanding piece I saw was a color rendering of Bob Butterfield holding a Lionel Hudson. You have probably seen the ad as he's showing the locomotive to a pair of youngsters. "Just Like Mine..." reads the copy. Butterfield, for those who might not recall or never heard of him, was a NYC engineer who drove the "Century" between Harmon and Albany. There is a thinly disguised version of him featured in Ed Hungerford's book Run of the Century.

The episode went on to show some American Flyer art. It turns out that a lot of their material was saved. It was interesting to see some of the copy for their product as well. Fascinating episode; you will enjoy it.

One other piece of advertising I found in an old Life magazine was for Camel cigarettes. This featured a CB&Q engineer who handled the Zephyr on its record run to Chicago. According to the copy, his "nerves were frayed" after the trip, but he smoked a Camel and "felt fine" again. The picture showed him in the cab door of the Zephyr in full engineer's regalia with a camel in hand. As a long-retired smoker, all I can say is they don't write 'em like they usta.

Again thanks to all for SP material.

work safe

[siberianmo]

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Railways of Europe – TGV of France – in 3 Parts - arrives on Track #1 tomorrow. Watch for it!


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

PASSENGERFAN AL"S STREAMLINER CORNER # 66

SUNSET LIMITED SP Trains 1-2 August 20, 1950 Los Angeles – New Orleans daily each direction 1,996 miles 44 hours 15 minutes

Eight days after the two CASCADE train consists entered service the SP introduced their all new Budd lightweight stream-lined SUNSET LIMITED consists. The SUNSET LIMITED had been the finest of the Southern Pacific long distance trains yet it was the last to be streamlined. The reason for this was simply the train had no direct competition between New Orleans and Los Angeles. For power all new ALCO PA-PB-PA sets were assigned between Los Angeles and El Paso. Beyond El Paso to New Orleans the T&NO a Southern Pacific subsidiary assigned a pair of ALCO PA-PA sets for power. Between Los Angeles and El Paso consists of the new SUNSET LIMITED were four-teen cars and between El Paso and New Orleans consists ran twelve cars. The Texas & Pacific forwarded a SUNSET LIMITED 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car from El Paso to Dallas daily, this sleeper originating in Los Angeles. Each eastbound SUNSET LIMITED dropped a 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping car nightly at San Antonio and picked up the previous nights waiting 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping car for forwarding to New Orleans.
The SUNSET LIMITED required five sets of equipment for daily operation. With the new Budd cars far more costly than the Pullman Standard built cars used in other Southern Pacific trains. But the Southern Pacific soon realized the Budd built cars were a far better investment when car maintenance figures began coming in. The Budd built cars with their disc brakes alone saved the Southern Pacific a small fortune in wheel turning charges alone when compared to Pullman Standard built cars. The paint scheme applied to the Budd stainless steel cars was simply a Daylight Red letter board with Aluminum lettering SOUTHERN PACIFIC. All that was necessary to return the train to a like new appearance at the completion of a trip was a trip through the car washer.

INAUGURAL CONSIST LEAVING LOS ANGELES

6018 EMD E8A 2,250 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

5908 EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

5909 EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

5005 Baggage 30’Railway Post Office Car

3102 Baggage 27-Crew Dormitory Car

2359 48- Revenue Seat Divided Coach Newsstand

2364 44- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

2365 44- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

2366 44- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

10407 “Pride of Texas” 32- Seat Coffee Shop 14- Seat Tavern Lounge Bar Car

9000 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9001 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

10210 “Audubon” 48- Seat Dining Car

2987 “French Quarter” Barber Shop Bar 40- Seat Lounge Car

9002 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9003 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9004 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9025 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Blunt End)

In the above consist coach 2366 operated between Los Angeles and El Paso only.
Sleeping Car 9000 operated as far as El Paso in the SUNSET LIMITED and was forwarded from El Paso by the Texas & Pacific to and from Dallas.
Sleeping Car 9004 operating in the above consist ran as far as San Antonio where it was set out and forwarded 24 hours later in the next eastbound SUNSET LIMITED from San Antonio to New Orleans.
Westbound there was no set out sleeping car at San Antonio. Also at El Paso the westbound SUNSET LIMITED picked up the westbound Sleeping Car that originated in Dallas set out by the Texas & Pacific and returned it and the set out coach to Los Angeles.

INAUGURAL CONSIST DEPARTING NEW ORLEANS

210 (T&NO) ALCO PA1 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

211 (T&NO) ALCO PA1 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

5010 Baggage 30’Railway Post Office Car

3106 Baggage 27-Crew Dormitory Car

2363 48- Revenue Seat Divided Coach Newsstand

2375 44- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

2376 44- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

10411 “Pride of Texas” 32- Seat Coffee Shop 14- Seat Lounge Bar Car

9021 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9022 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

10215 “Audubon” 48-Seat Dining Car

2992 “French Quarter” Barber Shop Bar 40- Seat Lounge Car

9023 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9024 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9029 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Blunt End)

The two consists departing from Los Angeles and New Orleans on August 21 are listed as follows:

Los Angeles departure SUNSET LIMITED August 21, 1950.

6004 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

5906 EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

5907 EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

5006 Baggage 30’Railway Post Office Car

3103 Baggage 27-Crew Dormitory Car

2360 48- Revenue Seat Divided Coach Newsstand

2367 44- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

2368 44- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

2369 44- Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

10408 “Pride of Texas” 32- Seat Coffee Shop 14- Seat Lounge Bar Car

9005 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9006 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

10211 “Audubon” 48- Seat Dining Car

2988 “French Quarter” Barber Shop Bar 40- Seat Lounge Car

9007 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9008 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9009 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9026 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Blunt End)

New Orleans departure SUNSET LIMITED August 21, 1950.

208 (T&NO) ALCO PA1 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

209 (T&NO) ALCO PA1 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

5009 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

3105 Baggage 27-Crew Dormitory Car

2362 48- Revenue Seat Divided Coach Newsstand

2373 44- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

2374 44- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

10410 “Pride of Texas” 32- Seat Coffee Shop 14- Seat Lounge Bar Car

9017 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9018 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

10410 “Audubon” 48- Seat Dining Car

2991 “French Quarter” Barber Shop Bar 40- Seat Lounge Car

9019 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9020 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9028 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Blunt End)

Beginning December 15, 1958 the train became known as simply the SUNSET. LIMITED was dropped from the trains name on that date.

The SUNSET route was selected by Amtrak for operation in 1971 although by that time the train was reduced to tri-weekly.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

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WEDNESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


G’day! Mid-week already! Start the day right here with a hot cuppa freshly brewed “Joe,” a little something from The Mentor Village Bakery pastry case topped off with an order from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast. Sounds good, eh[?][tup]


NAME THE two CASH REGISTERS!

. . . . from Pete “Tilla the Hun”
. . . . from Russell “Pink Floyd”
. . . . from Doug “Johnny Cash”
. . . . from CM3 “Tom’s Totaler” & “The Vulture’s Vault”
. . . . from BK “Justin Cash” & “Winsome Cash”
. . . . from Rob “The Cashinator”
Selections to be made on Friday!


Daily Wisdom

When asked if the movie, “Fatal Attraction,” had frightened him, he replied, “Only the scary parts.”
(yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

Railways of Europe #2 – TGV of France arrives on Thursday in 3 parts – watch for it!

Railroads from Yesteryear: Northern Pacific (NP) arrives next Tuesday! This will be the THEME for the DAY!

* Weekly Calendar:


Today: Pike Perspective’s Day!
Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and – ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 05:22:43 (253) Tuesday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 05:29:06 (253) RRs from YESTERYEAR #7 – Southern Pacific

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 07:13:10 (253) Streamliner #65 – SP Lark trains

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 07:22:59 (253) Theme for the Day! SP – Fallen Flag

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 07:45:16 (253) For: Order of the Stools

(6) passengerfan Al Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 07:59:20 (253) Theme for the Day! SP – streamlined cars

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 08:21:23 (253) Acknowledgments, etc.

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 08:32:04 (253) Theme for the Day! SP – Ad (1951)

(9) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 08:57:16 (253) Inclusive Post, Theme for the Day!, “stolen” joke, etc.

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 12:01:31 (253) Acknowledgments, etc.

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 12:21:54 (253) Theme for the Day! SP – Ad (1951)

(12) BudKarr BK Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 13:01:18 (253) Informative Post!

(13) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 14:40:38 (253) Informative Post & Theme for the Day! SP

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 15:22:32 (254) Inclusive Post, etc.

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 15:24:40 (254) Theme for the Day! SP – Ad (1951)

(16) felixg Felix Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 15:28:24 (254) off topic!

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 15:46:30 (254) Theme for the Day! SP – Classic Loco Rosters!

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Feb 2006 , 15:47:29 (254) Acknowledgments, etc.

(19) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 16:02:06 (254) etc.

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 18:46:16 (254) Theme for the Day! SP – Ad (1949)

(21) railfan955 none Posted: 21 Feb 2006, 23:38:59 (254) ???



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. . . . . Double Features, all of the time . . . . .

. . . Sunday, February 19th thru 25th: Fahrenheit 451 (1966) starring: Oskar Werner, Julie Christie & Cyril Cusack – and – Northwest Frontier (1959) starring: Kenneth More, Lauren Bacall & Herbert Lom.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[trolleyboy]

Hello Time for another update

THE CLASSIC INDEX VER 3


CLASSIC JUICE

#1 The London and Port Stanley RY L&PS pg# 116
#2 The Niagara St Catharines & Toronto RY NS&T pg# 123
#3 The Montreal and Southern Counties MS&C pg# 131
#4 The Brantford & Hamilton RY B&H pg# 134
#5 The Berlin and Waterloo Street Railway B&WSR pg# 142
#6 The Nearside Car pg# 146
#7 The Peter Witt Story pg# 148
#8 The PCC Car pg# 157
#9 The Nippissing Central N&C RY pg# 140
#10 The Safety Car pg# 162
#11 CNR Electric Lines pg# 163
#12 The Toronto Civic Railway TCR pg# 180
#13 The TCR Cars pg # 180
#14 The Toronto Suburban Railway TSR pg# 211
#15 Canadian Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders pg# 212
#16 US Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders ( that built for Canada ) pg# 217
#17 The Grand River Railway GRR pg# 223
#18 The Lake Erie and Northern Railway LE&N pg# 224
#19 The British Columbia Electric Railway BCER pg# 225
#20 Incline Railways of Hamilton pg# 242
#21 Pre History of the TTC pt1 pg#248 new
#22 Pre History of the TTC pt2 pg#249 new
#23 Pre History of the TTC pt3 pg#250 new



CNR CLASSIC STEAM

#1 Huntsville Sub pg# 159
#2 Alliston Sub pg# 163
#3 Strathroy sub pg# 165
#4 Niagara Falls Passenger Trains pg# 170
#5 Passenger Trains on Brampton & Thorndale Subs pg # 170
#6 The " Roustabout " pg# 176
#7 Passenger trains to Palmerston pg# 182
#8 Southern On railmap pg# 183
#9 Speacial Frieghts on The Niagara Frontier pg# 191
#10 Speacial Freights on The Niagara Frontier Pt 2 pg# 191
#11 Passenger Train Profiles PT 1 pg# 198
#12 Passenger Train Profiles PT 2 pg# 198
#13 The Formation of The CNR pg# 218
#14 The CSR's ST Clair Branch pg# 226
#15 History of CNR Passenger Service pg# 250 new



CLASSIC CANADIAN ADS

#1 TH&B Doodlebug Ad for EMC pg# 153
#2 National Geographic Ad for CNR Circa 1929 pg# 209
#3 CNR Hotels Ad Circa 1932 pg# 209
#4 The Empire Express pg# 251new


CLASSIC DIESELS New

#1 Southern Pacific Roster pg#254

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Trainnut484

Good evening Tom and everyone. I'll have a Miller Lite, and put it on ***'s account please. I heard that Bwooonnnnng Gwonnnnnng somewhere. I thought Boris had a bad cold or something [alien] Tom, I'm glad you got that corrected. Will there be a "Our Ladies of Perpetual Motion" room? I'm sure Cindy will put that room to good use [}:)]

Dan, sorry to hear you were under the weather. I was there a few weeks ago, and I can tell ya, it's not fun [:(].

Dave, you said it. "Our" Place is where friends meet [^][tup]

Had a great time this past weekend. Visited Chanute, KS, which was a division point on the Santa Fe years ago. The town had their annual art festival that included rides on South Kansas and Oklahoma's passenger train. SKO operates on the former Santa Fe line (southern half of Eastern Division) from Chanute, through Cherryvale, to Coffeyville. The original Santa Fe line branched off from the transcon line in Ottawa, KS and ran down to Tulsa, OK, but the track from Ottawa to Chanute was taken up. The old right of way can still be seen from highway 59 which runs south from Ottawa, parallels the right of way from south of Garnett to Coffeyville, then into Oklahoma.

Ok now you all have some bearings on what I'm talking about, The SKO has three ex Boston & Maine Budd RDC cars that were restored by an individual and renamed them after his grandaughters; "Kaleigh Ann" (RDC 9210), "Afton Leigh" (RDC 9202), and "Fallyne Marie" (RDC 9203). The RDC cars are non-powered, but look in tip top shape inside and out. I did take pix, but don't want to take away the fun for Sunday Photo Day [;)]. UNLESS I get overwhelming requests for them [:D].

In case anyone is interested, there is a old wigwag signal STILL in service just north of Cherryvale. I first saw it back about 1995 or '96 and wondered if it was still around. Sure enough it was and looks like it's been well maintained (got great pix of it too).

Another Miller Lite please, thanks.

Russell

THIS IS RAILFAN955, THE WIG-WAG SIGNAL IS STILL IN SERVICE. I WAS JUST PAST THERE OVER THE 2005 HOLIDAY WEEKEND. THE RAILROAD (S.K.O.) WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SCRAPPED NORTH OF HUMBOLT, KANSAS DUE TO THE UNPREDICTABLE FREIGHT TRAFFIC. I READ THIS ON DAN'S WIGWAG SITE.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Trainnut484

Good evening Tom and everyone. I'll have a Miller Lite, and put it on ***'s account please. I heard that Bwooonnnnng Gwonnnnnng somewhere. I thought Boris had a bad cold or something [alien] Tom, I'm glad you got that corrected. Will there be a "Our Ladies of Perpetual Motion" room? I'm sure Cindy will put that room to good use [}:)]

Dan, sorry to hear you were under the weather. I was there a few weeks ago, and I can tell ya, it's not fun [:(].

Dave, you said it. "Our" Place is where friends meet [^][tup]

Had a great time this past weekend. Visited Chanute, KS, which was a division point on the Santa Fe years ago. The town had their annual art festival that included rides on South Kansas and Oklahoma's passenger train. SKO operates on the former Santa Fe line (southern half of Eastern Division) from Chanute, through Cherryvale, to Coffeyville. The original Santa Fe line branched off from the transcon line in Ottawa, KS and ran down to Tulsa, OK, but the track from Ottawa to Chanute was taken up. The old right of way can still be seen from highway 59 which runs south from Ottawa, parallels the right of way from south of Garnett to Coffeyville, then into Oklahoma.

Ok now you all have some bearings on what I'm talking about, The SKO has three ex Boston & Maine Budd RDC cars that were restored by an individual and renamed them after his grandaughters; "Kaleigh Ann" (RDC 9210), "Afton Leigh" (RDC 9202), and "Fallyne Marie" (RDC 9203). The RDC cars are non-powered, but look in tip top shape inside and out. I did take pix, but don't want to take away the fun for Sunday Photo Day [;)]. UNLESS I get overwhelming requests for them [:D].

In case anyone is interested, there is a old wigwag signal STILL in service just north of Cherryvale. I first saw it back about 1995 or '96 and wondered if it was still around. Sure enough it was and looks like it's been well maintained (got great pix of it too).

Another Miller Lite please, thanks.

Russell

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Trainnut484

Good evening Tom and everyone. I'll have a Miller Lite, and put it on ***'s account please. I heard that Bwooonnnnng Gwonnnnnng somewhere. I thought Boris had a bad cold or something [alien] Tom, I'm glad you got that corrected. Will there be a "Our Ladies of Perpetual Motion" room? I'm sure Cindy will put that room to good use [}:)]

Dan, sorry to hear you were under the weather. I was there a few weeks ago, and I can tell ya, it's not fun [:(].

Dave, you said it. "Our" Place is where friends meet [^][tup]

Had a great time this past weekend. Visited Chanute, KS, which was a division point on the Santa Fe years ago. The town had their annual art festival that included rides on South Kansas and Oklahoma's passenger train. SKO operates on the former Santa Fe line (southern half of Eastern Division) from Chanute, through Cherryvale, to Coffeyville. The original Santa Fe line branched off from the transcon line in Ottawa, KS and ran down to Tulsa, OK, but the track from Ottawa to Chanute was taken up. The old right of way can still be seen from highway 59 which runs south from Ottawa, parallels the right of way from south of Garnett to Coffeyville, then into Oklahoma.

Ok now you all have some bearings on what I'm talking about, The SKO has three ex Boston & Maine Budd RDC cars that were restored by an individual and renamed them after his grandaughters; "Kaleigh Ann" (RDC 9210), "Afton Leigh" (RDC 9202), and "Fallyne Marie" (RDC 9203). The RDC cars are non-powered, but look in tip top shape inside and out. I did take pix, but don't want to take away the fun for Sunday Photo Day [;)]. UNLESS I get overwhelming requests for them [:D].

In case anyone is interested, there is a old wigwag signal STILL in service just north of Cherryvale. I first saw it back about 1995 or '96 and wondered if it was still around. Sure enough it was and looks like it's been well maintained (got great pix of it too).

Another Miller Lite please, thanks.

Russell

[siberianmo]

FINALTHEME FOR THE DAY! - Southern Pacific
first Posted on page 193

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #44

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Come to Arizona on the swift “Golden State”

– the only streamliner direct to Tucson, Phoenix, Palm Springs

Smooth-riding, luxurious – Southern Pacific-Rock Island’s fast Golden State from Chicago via El Paso and Douglas is the only streamliner direct to Southern Arizon’a resort country and Palm Springs Pullman and reclining chair car. Moderate extra fare.

Try this famous train on your next trip to Arizona or California.

Through Pullmans from New York and St. Louis,

P.S. Don’t forget that our Sunset Limited (New Orleans-Los Angeles) also goes direct to Southern Arizona and Palm Springs.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . S*P . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . The friendly Southern Pacific . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

FINALTHEME FOR THE DAY! - Southern Pacific

[trolleyboy]

Tom not to worry I'm wearing SPF100 sunblock LOL.

Just tto add to the locomotive list i posted it's including those locomotives that were letterd and operated by the SSW or Cotton Belt RY.It is only currant to 1991 for all intence and purposes so the later monster GE power purchased in abundance as well as the BIG GM's are not yet even thought of as of this compilation.The SSW units had free roam over the entire system and were mixed freely with the SP locomotives,paint jobs on all these loco's would have been the basic Dark Lark Grey and bloody nose with the stacked lettering.A far cry from that beautiful black widow paint scheme that all the early F's and FM's and early SD's and GP's would have worn.

Rob

[siberianmo]

Hello Gents!

I wasn't going to Post until this evening, but I see a few acknowledgments are in order:

BK great to have you back at the bar! Yes, we will do as you suggested with that "sack 'o cash" from Europe. I'll begin "drawing down" on the balance a bit of a time with announced rounds on YOU! Thanx in advance and good idea![tup][tup]

Also appreciate your contributions to the "name the cash registers" request. Looks like we've gotten quite a few and that's good to see.[yeah]

I join with Rob in urging you to jump right in and get going with the railroading. Surely can't hurt, and hey - you just may wind up as an addict along with the rest of us![swg]

Lars What a story! I know there's much more to it than what was Posted - "Insurance Gal" sounds like something out of a grade B detective flick![swg] But hey - as long as her check book "works," the rest can be taken with a grain of salt, eh[?][swg]

Don't envy you one bit with the mess you've been putting up with and what's to come. Surely can't be any fun. We'll be here for any "support" needed in terms of "getting away from it all," even for an hour or so.[tup]

Appreciate your joining in on the "Theme for the Day! - Southern Pacific!" With everything on your plate, I'm surprised - but very pleased - that you were able to participate![tup][tup]

Rob! A daylight visit!! Good grief man, doesn't that adversely impact your abilities to function[?][?] Count Robula, and all that![swg]

Good name for one of the registers ... [tup]

Gotta run - bride has returneth and dog wanteth out![swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! To get acknowledged, one must acknowledge!

[trolleyboy]

Hey Tom I see you hanging out there- nice add for the City of San Fran train, just as good the second or third time around. [tup]

Now for my humble piece of today's theme. This is a semi complete list of SP/SSW's diesel roster circa 1993-amazing how many classic units were still on the roster at the time. Gleanned from Kalbach and Withers publishing sorces.

CLASSIC LOCO ROSTER"S # 1 THE SOUTHERN PACIFIC

14 tebu's built by MK in 1980-1982
31 SD7r's built 1952-1953
11 SW1200's built 1964-1966
217 SW1500's built 1967-1973
7 MP15's built 1974
62 MP15AC's built 1975
3 GP9's built 1959
155 GP9r's built 1954-1959
12 SD35d's built 1964-1966
6 SD38-2's built 1973
3 SD35r's built 1965
2 SD35's built 1965
1 GP20 built 1962
20 GP20r's built 1962
4 GP35d's built 1964
99 SD9r's built 1955-1956
44 GP38-2's built 1980
14 B23-7's built 1980
12 SD39's built 1968-1970
59 GP35r's built 1964-1965
22 GP35's built 1964-1965
125 SD40T-2's built 1974-1980
39 GP40r's built 1966-1971
4 Gp40X's built 1978
32 GP40-2's built 1984
85 SD40-2r's built 1980-1981
165 SD45T-2r's built 1973-1975
68 GP40-2's built 1974-1980
20 B36-7's built 1984
106 B30-7's built 1978-1980
19 GP40-2's built 1980
8 GP40e's built 1982
40 B39-8's built 1987
52 B39-8's built 1988-1989
194 SD40T-2's built 1974-1980
114 SD45T-2's built 1972-1975
168 GP60's built 1988-1991

A crazy list but enjoy
Rob

[Anonymous]

Hi tom a question came up in another fourm and that is here in the states where amtrack uses cantenary, is the overhead messenger wired in a zig zag fashion so as to eliminate the wear on the panograph on the high speed runs? Felix

[siberianmo]

THEME FOR THE DAY! - Southern Pacific
first Posted on page 158

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #22

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1951 advertisement in my personal collection.


Did you hear what the ‘49er said about the “City of San Francisco”

”WHAT A TRAIN, PARDNER! SHE’S THE FASTEST THING ON WHEELS BETWEEN CHICAGO AND THE GOLDEN GATE! ANOTHER OF SP’S WONDERFUL WAYS WEST!”

Did you know that you can board a modern streamliner in Chicago and travedl at your ease the same route the ‘49ers struggled over in the Gold Rush? Well, you can. In the crack extra-fare ”City of San Francisco” for instance, or the ”Overland” that shows you California’s lovely High Sierra by day.

Until you’ve done this you’ve never really seen the West.

We’ve just issued a new folder we’re rather proud of, ”Planning Your Overland Route Trip.” Tells you all about accommodations on these great “name trains” (finest Pullman; economical Chair Car).

By the way, at San Francisco these streamliners connect with our famous ”Lark,” “Daylight” and “Starlight” south to Los Angeles, thence with other great S.P. streamliners eastward. Or with the new ”Cascade” and ”Shasta Daylight” northward, right past gorgeous 14,161 foot Mt. Shasta to the lovely Pacific Northwest.

Mail that coupon today for free folders.

”CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO” Chicago-San Francisco via Omaha, Ogden, Great Salt Lake, Reno, Oakland. 40 ½ hours westbound via CNW-UP-SP. Shown here with Golden Gate Bridge in the background.

SP AMERICA’S MOST MODERN TRAINS


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

THEME FOR THE DAY! - Southern Pacific

[trolleyboy]

Good afternoon Tom. That Hero Lars ordered sounds so good that I must have one myself,that and a bottomless tankard of Keith's

Oddly enough I did think of one cash register name. The Cashinator as in you'll pay again[;)][:0][:D]

Good start to the latest theame day Tom excellant info from you as always. I'm suprised that Mr dave hasen't surfaced yet,stillearly for him though I supose.I did indeed see Sir Nick doing the phantom browse last night ,thought for sure he would have a bon mots or two for us.[:(][sigh]


Al You have outdone yourself again, I must admit though I kinda crashed and burnned on the second installment[:0] I'll try to catch it later.

Lars Good to hear that your home is under refit at least for the moment,interesting tale of the insurance girl as well. My parents had ahouse do that , oh maybe 20 yeasr ago or so, your thouhgts are probably right on it will be likley 10-12 days before you are finished with the mud and muck of the contractors. Nice to hear they replaced everything for you though.

Nice chip in with the passenger train list as well,on topic and appreciated [tup]

BK You are starting to sound more candian all the time[;)][:D]. I take no offence to your speaking Canadian eh! I'm sure that we can let you off the hook ,but just this time in May as you seem to have several other more important things to worry about[;)]. I can't think how spending time in bars with us would be any fun anyway[;)][swg]

I'm glad to hear that the train bug has bit you hard , books and visits planned or otherwise to historical sites [tup] Try to get to herritage park in calgary and the Edmonton Radial Railway folks-both good quality highly recomended places. [tup]

CM3 Hey nice to see you back,I'm glad that you enjoyed the bits and pieces of TTC and NYC I put out there. I enjoyed your contribution for todays theme as well. [tup] I will however give you a [tdn] 9 out of 9 on the groanameter for that joke however.[:0][8][xx(]



Lets see I think I've caught everyone for the moment. I'll be back in a jiff with an SP spot of info.

Rob

[LoveDomes]

Hello Tom and boys at the bar!

I’m in the mood for a Piels, a hero sandwich – ham, swiss, butter & mustard on a hard roll (don’t care for those mushy things served these days – hero’s need to be crunched!), a couple of those large extra dills from the barrel and some chips. I’ll probably need a refill on that brew before you return with the sandwich![swg]

What to say, what to say? Things are beginning to fall into place, after the disaster of this weekend and sometime tomorrow, work is to begin on the foundation. Essentially one side of the basement wall will be reconstructed with steel plating and whatever else is used these days to ensure no water will come through that way again. It should be quite a mess around here for weeks. They estimate it will all be back to normal in 5 working days – but my guess is weeks.

The insurance guy (actually a great looking gal!) finally arrived last night – yes night. Seems that her company had sent her to New Jersey. Long story – with a humorous ending. She was in a Jersey town looking for our street – found one with the same name and number – knocked on the door, rang the bell, went around the back and found no one was home. So she returned to the “head shed” after leaving a note on the door. By the time she got to the office, a phone call was made to her office by the local PD who apparently saw her walking around the property. Seems they were staking out the place! No kidding – and the bad guys weren’t “home” yet. Can you imagine???

Anyway, she got over here nearly at 8 PM – took a look at the situation, and wrote us a check – on the spot. New “everything” pretty much as you called it. We felt sorry for the “kid” and wound up having her stick around for a late dinner! We spent more time talking about her experiences than ours! What a night.[swg]

So, now it’s a matter of getting the furnace and hot water tank replaced which under normal circumstances wouldn’t be a “biggie,” but with heavy equipment tearing the side of our basement wall out, it might become a bit “awkward,” to say the least. Oh for the peace and quiet aboard ship in a gale with 40 ft. seas! Remember those times, Tom?

Needless to say I’m so far behind the curve at this bar that I may never catch up. Sorry, Gents, but it just wasn’t meant to be – at least for right now.

Here's my contribution to the "Theme for the Day! - Southern Pacific:

Name trains of the Southern Pacific (SP)

QUOTE: Southern Pacific (SP)
Acadian
Alamo
Argonaut
Beaver
Border Limited
Cascade
City of San Francisco
Coaster
Del Monte
Gold Coast
Golden State
Hustler
Imperial
Klamath
Lark
Mail
Morning Daylight
Noon Daylight
Oakland Lark
Owl (2)
Passenger (2)
Rouge River
San Francisco Challenger
San Francisco Overland
Sunbeam
Sunset Limited
West Coast

Not meant to be all incluisve for you "purists" out there - should wet the whistle though.[swg]

I’ll try to check back either later today or tomorrow afternoon. If not, I’m sure you’ll understand.

Here’s a ten spot for the Lars Box and as with what BK mentioned in his recent post – spend it on the guys when you feel the timing is right!

Until the next time!

Lars

[BudKarr]

Good Early Afternoon Captain Tom and all assembled!

Got off to an early start up here in the high country where the air is fresh as can be and one simply gets invigorated at the sights and sounds of the Canadian Rockies! Absolutely a beautiful setting to spend our days!

A bit early for me to imbibe in the spirits, but I will take one of those large mugs of hot coffee and a couple of those great looking turnovers from the pastry case. Apple will be fine, thank you!

My readings are still rather far behind, but I am getting there. I am working my way backwards, which for some strange reason seems easier. Must be one of my idiosyncrasies or psychological mind games. At any rate, I appreciate the welcome back by those of you who remember me. It WAS indeed quite a long time away.

I have been thinking about many things lately, some that have absolutely no bearing on what Captain Tom’s bar is all about, which is the discussion of the Classic Trains with some humor thrown in. (Could have spelled that humour – but then perhaps Mr. Trolleyboy would get himself into a dither thinking that I just may be a REAL Canadian!)

As told some pages back, my life has been one of privacy both on and off the job. What I did for a living has no place being bandied about here on the web, where one hardly knows who may be reading and for what purposes. So, in reference to a comment made by one of the guys – sorry, there will be no elaborations of what I did or any specifics regarding my recently concluded Marathon European trip.

Trains! Well, believe it or not, I have begun to READ all about TRAINS. Picked up a few volumes while on the continent about European Railways and have also ordered several more regarding the classic passenger trains of North America (Canada & US). Sorry, but most things “south” of the US border do absolutely nothing for me. Being situated in Alberta, there are all kinds of interesting adventures just calling out and we most probably will visit a historic railroad site or two in the near future.

I have also made arrangements to have my childhood trains shipped here, so that when the next Yuletide rolls around, there WILL be a train running around the tree. So, there is a light at the end of the tunnel, eh? (Now THAT’s a Canadianism!)

We have a couple of trips to make down to Calgary and then to Edmonton in order to wrap up some personal business for the both of us before we “unite” this May. Nice way of putting it, eh?<smile> Then there are at least two trips down to the states that we will be making, again strictly personal. So, even though I’m back, there will be those periods of absences now and then. In my readings of the railroads, I could not help but imagine how nice it would be to be able to board a train in either Calgary or Edmonton and wind up pretty much anywhere in the states or Canada one wanted to go. Sure, it took time, but with no deadlines to meet or urgency to get anywhere, what a way to travel.

It has occurred to me that I must back out of the Toronto Rendezvous, given there are now more pressing matters at hand. I would have enjoyed meeting all of you. Once the initial rounds of talk and beer passed, I surely believe my contributions to the topic would have been greatly limited. Nonetheless, having spent my working life in the company of those who follow Captain Tom’s credo – work hard & play hard – we would have found “commonality” in short order.<smile>

Captain Tom, I have a suggestion for you. If that sack of foreign currency has made it to the bank, may I suggest you begin a BK Round of Cheer to be drawn against the balance? Your choice when to initiate it – but by all means, spend it and let the good times roll!

Looks as if some things have not changed as your note to the Order of the Stools members rings a familiar tone. Surely the majority are on board, correct? It seems to me that the more time one spends on these forums, the less disciplined one may become. I support your efforts, as always and will try my best to emulate those who do so well with their postings in terms of content, context and inclusiveness. I fear my limitations will dearly show through when it comes to the nitty gritty of railroading, for I have much to learn.

Finally, here are a couple of names for your mechanical cash registers:

Justin Cash –and – Winsome Cash


Home again, home again, jiggity jog!<grin>

BK

[siberianmo]

THEME FOR THE DAY! - Southern Pacific
first Posted on page 157

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #21

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1951 advertisement in my personal collection.


Did you hear what the Colonel said about the “Sunset Limited”

”WHAT A TRAIN, SUN! THE FLOWER OF NEW ORLEANS, THE BOAST OF TEXAS, THE SUNLIGHT OF ARIZONA, THE SENSATION OF HOLLYWOOD. ANOTHER OF SP’S WONDERFUL WAYS WEST!”

We’re happy to say that thousands of Americans are finding our ”Sunset Limited” a new and charming way to go West.

We think that you, too, will enjoy this sensational new ”Streamlined Train With the Southern Accent.” Especially with that New Orleans stopover. Luxury Pullman or Chair Car. Extra fare.

Your connections at New Orleans from, or two, points like Chicago, St. Louis, Washington, New York, etc., are good and offer fine streamliners. (New Orleans is a gourmet’s and shopper’s delight as you know.)

The ”Sunset Limited” takes you in 42 delightful hours through the heart of Texas, Southern Arizona’s winter resort country, Palm Springs & Los Angeles.

There, you can connect with other great new S.P. streamliners, can return by another S.P. route. You see twice as much. The little map shows how.

Why not try it this winter? Or next summer? And meantime, why not let us send you our New Orleans folder, and full information about this new way to California?
Mail coupon below today

”SUNSET LIMITED” New Orleans-Los Angeles via Houston, San Antonio, El Paso, Douglas, Bisbee, Tucson, Phoenix, Palm Springs. Connects at New Orleans with streamliners to and from Chicago, New York, Washington, other Eastern points.

SP AMERICA’S MOST MODERN TRAINS


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

THEME FOR THE DAY! - Southern Pacific

[siberianmo]

G’day!

Just returned home from the hardware store – 40 bucks for spring start-up weed control! <good grief!> Saw that petrol is still holding at $1.97 (rounded) up at “Collusion Corner,” and am rather surprised given the world markets these days. I’m nearly at full, and can’t take advantage of it, though. Changed my mind about tooling over to the LHS – first: don’t need anything – second: just not in the proper frame of mind. Must be the “blahs” or something similar that’s gotten hold of me.

I see that CM3 has visited and provided us with an interesting Post![tup]

Almost got yourself Tweeeeeeeted! with that joke you told! But not for the reason you may think – nope – that particular joke was Posted on page 249, 16 Feb 2006 by barndad Doug!! Hmmmmmmmmm – given that there was no “malice aforethought, or perhaps no thought at all [swg] – I’ve decreed that yours was not a Tweeeetable Offense! [swg] I probably cudda Tweeeeeeted! you for NOT READING!! Oh well – perhaps next time.<grin><phew> I’m sure you are relieved, eh[?]

Looks like you spent a bit of time going through the material since your last visit – which was awhile ago. Appreciate the effort and so do the guys who took the time to provide us all with their inputs![tup][tup] Surely can’t accuse you of not “playing the game straight” ‘round here![tup]

Thanx as always for the round AND quarters for Herr Wurltizer’s Coal Scuttle! Also appreciate the “names” for our mechanical cash registers. I’d say we’re on a “roll” now and should be able to select two out of the “pool!”[tup]


Doug I failed to THANK you for the round and Michigan quarters from last night! Good show!![tup] Also appreciate the fact that you are picking up on the info being Posted on this Thread. Can’t accuse you, either, of not paying attention.[tup]

Rob Your late night Posts are always appreciated, and of course we’d love to see ya during daylight. Maybe one day . . . Received your reply to my reply to your reply to my reply Email and didn’t respond. We’ll begin a new “series” soon![swg] You made mention of seeing Nick logged on . . . well, he must’ve been playing “Phantom Browser” for we haven’t heard from him in quite awhile.[tdn] You mentioned a pay raise for Posting as much as you have! Nice try, no cigar.<grin>


Anyone wishing to “vote” for the TWO names to be selected for our mechanical cash registers may do so by sending me an Email BEFORE NOON this Friday, Feb 24th. Forgot how[?] Just “click” on my cyber name in the left hand column of the Posts – find “contact info” – then “click” on Email; simple, eh[?]


Been awhile, so here’s a few “songs” for all to enjoy![swg]

Austin Lounge Lizards
. . . . Put the Oak Ridge Boys in the Slammer

Hoyt Axton
. . . . Work your fingers to the bone, and what do you get? Boney fingers, boney fingers

Lou & Peter Berryman
. . . . Naked And Nude

and <drumroll> Eric Bogle
. . . . Bloody Rotten Audience


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; rounbd for the house and $ for the jukebox.

There has surely been a lot going on. A few comments and then on to the SP. We set cold weather records over the weekend (below zero for the 1st time this winter along with about 6-8" of scattered flurries).

Thanks for the material on the NAR. I recall seeing thier cars on the L&N every so often, often wondered what they were doing in Middle Tenneesse, but it was something different.

LARS- I hope you are seeing a few patches of dry pavement. I don't know what's worse water coming in from above or up from below. I was glad to hear that the warranty was still valis. My experience has been that everything craps out two days after the warranty expires. I did catch a break from GM once, saved the cost of a new head gasket on a Quad 4 engine.

Moveis look good this week. Farenheit 451 is a good one, and I have never seen Northwest Frontier.

Also have enjoyed material on 1877 strike and TTC more NYC material and pictures of all sorts of exotic equipment. The EJ&E is always shy when I'm in Chicago. I have actually had better luck with the Choicago Short Line than I have ever had photographing the J.

BK - Welcome back, sir; glad to see your name on the page again.

Finally - names for the cash registers? Both of them mechanical. How about Tom's Totaler and the Vulture's Vault (in honor of AWK - he needs some publicity)

As for the SP - here's some supplementary information re passenger consists.

Southern Pacific – 1961 – Consists - There was still a lot of interline activity back then.

Sunset Route

Trains 1 and 2 “Sunset”

Lounge Car (shower and valet) New Orleans – Los Angeles
Sleeping Car (rtte/br/compt./d-r) New Orleans-Los Angeles
Sleeping Car (rtte/br) Dallas – Los Angeles
Westbound on T&P Train 1 to El Paso
Eastbound on T&P Train 2 to Dallas
Reclining seat chair cars New Orleans – Los Angeles; El Paso – Los Angeles
Dining Car New Orleans – Los Angeles
Hamburger Grill Lounge Car El Paso – Los Angeles (for chair car passengers)
News agent service
Checked baggage
Trains 1 and 2 operated daily.
Train 1 departed New Orleans at 10:00 p.m. and arrived in Los Angeles at 5:15 p.m. two days later.
Train 2 departed Los Angeles at 8:00 p.m. with a 5:30 p.m. arrival in New Orleans two days later.
The Sunset was an extra fare operation.

Golden State Route

Trains 3 and 4 “Golden State”

Lounge Car (for Pullman passengers) Chicago – Los Angeles
Sleeping Car (rtte/br) Chicago – Los Angeles
Sleeping Car (rtte/br/compt./d-r) Chicago – Phoenix: car originated either at Phoenix or Tucson from May 1-31 (every other day); then reverted back to originating at Phoenix.
Sleeping Car (rtte/br)Minneapolis – Los Angeles Via CRI&P Trains 17 and 18 between Minneapolis and Kansas City.
Chair cars (reclining leg rest seats) Chicago – Los Angeles
Chair Cars Minneapolis – Los Angeles Via CRI&P Trains 17 and 18 between Minneapolis and Kansas City.
Dining Car Chicago – Los Angeles
Hamburger Grill Lounge Car Chicago – Los Angeles
News agent service
Checked baggage
Trains 3 and 4 operated daily. They operated via CRI&P between Chicago and Tucumcari and via SP between Tucumcari and Los Angeles.
Train 3 departed Chicago at 1:00 p.m., arriving two days later in Los Angeles at 8:30 a.m.
Train 4 departed Los Angeles at 1:30 p.m. with a 12:30 p.m. arrival in Chicago two days later.
The Golden State was an extra fare operation.

Two more items.

Re interesting diesel groupings. Here's one from 1971 on SB South Wind or whatever it was called right at the beginning of Amtrak. You can tell what broke down along the way. ATL SDP40/NYC E7a/L&N FP7a.

Now from the joke file.

An 80 year old woman was arrested for shop lifting. When she went before the judge he asked her, "What did you steal?" She replied: a can of peaches.

The judge asked her why she had stolen them and she replied that she was hungry.

The judge then asked her how many peaches were in the can. She replied 6.

The judge then said, "I will give you 6 days in jail."

Before the judge could actually pronounce the punishment the woman's husband spoke up and asked the judge if he could say something.

He said, "What is it?"

The husband said, "She also stole a can of peas."

work safe

[siberianmo]

THEME FOR THE DAY! - Southern Pacific
first Posted on page 156

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #20

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1951 advertisement in my personal collection.


Did you hear what the Cowboy said about the “Golden State”?

”WHAT A RIDE FER DUDES! SHE’S THE SMOOTHEST AND PURTIEST THING ON WHEELS FROM CHICAGO TO ARIZONA OR CALIFORNIA! ANOTHER OF SP’S WONDERFUL WAYS WEST!”

We think, you’ll enjoy our ”Golden State,” especially if you’re an experienced traveler. We have many friends who repeat, winter after winter, “chasing the sun Southwest” on this smooth, extra-fare S.P. & Rock Island streamliner. It’s convenient. Takes you via El Paso and Southern Arizona’s winter resorts to Palm Springs & Los Angeles.

She’s been re-streamlined, too, from stem to stern. We’ve issued a folder to celebrate the event and would like to send it to you. Helps you choose your accommodations, whether Pullman (Drawing rooms, Compartments, Bedrooms, Roomettes) or Chair Car (economical; Coffee Shop).

By the way, the ”Golden State” is extra fast, too – 44 ¼ pleasant hours, Chicago-Los Angeles or vice versa. Fine connecting streamliners. Perhaps you’d like to try another great S.P. route, going home. That way you see twice as much, usually for no extra rail fare. The little map shows how.

Why don’t you plan on the ”Golden State” for this winter or next summer? And meantime, let us send you that folder?

”GOLDEN STATE,” Chicago-Los Angeles, via El Paso, Douglas, Bisbee, Tucson, Phoenix, Palm Springs, 44 ¼ hours. Through Pullmans, Minneapolis and St. Louis to Los Angeles. Through Chair car, Minneapolis-Los Angeles. Connecting service to San Diego.

SP AMERICA’S MOST MODERN TRAINS


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

THEME FOR THE DAY! - Southern Pacific