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Posted by pwolfe on Sunday, February 26, 2006 3:18 PM
Hi Tom and all.

I'll just put this through the mail slot

2nd attempt I've just pressed on the wrong thing and deleted the 1st. [D)].

Good Encores, thanksTOM, AL and ROB and good to see DAVE, TED and NICK. I'll go into your post tomorrow Nick if I may. I was out yesterday and did not know the Rugby score until just now. The Jocks always do us when we are doing well [:(!].

DOUG Great pics love the old photos[^]. The German loco looks impressive. I wonder what the drive wa,s turbine perhaps [?]. The jokes were good today too[:D].

TED Great photos of the layout. The more I see that Southern loco the more I like it[tup].

LARS The Alaskan Railway must be one of the World's Great Train Journeys.
Hope the home starts getting back to normal from tomorrow.

TOM thanks for the British Encore and the German Coastguard link [(-D].

May I add a couple of notes to the great B.R. photos [?].

Loco # 45110 was one of locos that hauled the final British Railways steam hauled train on August 11th 1968. and was bought for preservation straight out of service.

#6100 Royal Scot is shown in its un-rebuilt state that it toured N.America in. It and fellow members of the class were re built by the LMS and B.R. in the 40s and early 50s and were vertualy new engines with a taper boiler. # 6100 was preserved in its rebuilt state and is currently under overhaul so it can steam again. I can still vividly remember seeing that nameplate at Rugby station in the late 50s PETE.
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:16 PM
Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Something for Pete & Nick

(1) Great Britain: LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0 45110 at Bewdley(GNU Free Documentation)



(2) Great Britain: LMS Stainer Class 5 4-6-0 45110 at Bridgnorth (Wikimedia Commons)



(3) Great Britain: LMS Royal Scot Class 6100 Royal Scot(Public Domain)



(4) Great Britain: The nameplate of 6100 Royal Scot with the text commemorating its North American tour. (Wikimedia Commons)


Enjoy![tup]


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Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:06 PM
Good Morning Tom and the gang. Really enjoyed this mornings photos.

Lars Especially enjoyed the ARR photos this AM quite a remarkable RR especially in the winter. Hope they decide to complete a line to the lower 48 can't think of a better trip by train.

By the way Tom the other day that was supposed to be Nick not Rick. What can I say I'm getting old and that's my excuse and I'm stickinn to it.

Hve to admit that I am feeling like a few to many last night and I did not have a single drink. Our weather is turning to rain with three storms coming in one right after the other. TV news shows lots of people filling Sand Bags just in case in certain areas of Sacramento and Yolo counties.
Never could understand how people can conntinue to live in a flood plain after getiing flooded out the first time.

TTFN AL.
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Posted by LoveDomes on Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:34 AM
Good Afternoon Tom and fellow “Pix Posters”!

First, let me simply say that it’s good to be back with something to contribute!

Second, nice work from Doug & Tom (for Ted)![tup][tup] Also enjoyed reading the posts from yesterday afternoon and late last night! Good show and good to see the return of Nick! Looking forward to reading more about the exciting life this guy leads - when not "singing" into the porcelain bowl that is![swg]

Third: I thank one and all for your continuing well wishes - all is settling down and we're "ready as can be" for the foundation work to begin tomorrow.

So without further adieu, let’s get right to it:

All of the following are from the Alaska Railroad (www.akrr.com) web site with their permission.


The "Hurricane Turn" passenger service hugs the Susitna River just outside Talkeetna on a wintry day in early February. Mt. McKinley is pictured in the background.(from: www.akrr.com)




The 4004 or Spirit of Whittier moves gravel from the Matanuska-Susitna Valley towards Anchorage on a late September morning. (from: www.akrr.com)



Rounding the bend in the historic Loop District on the Coastal Classic. The Coastal Classic provides passenger service with daily summer service between Anchorage and the town of Seward. (from: www.akrr.com)



An SD70MAC, leads the Denali Star passenger train out of the Anchorage Historic Depot on a run to Fairbanks.(from: www.akrr.com)



Enjoy one and all. Makes you want to head right on up to the 49th State and board the train![tup]


Until the next time!

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:43 AM
Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Here’s a return to HO from Theodorebear Ted and his ongoing efforts with building his pike:


(1) San Diego Lt. Wt. Interurban



(2) Post Office (L) - Greenlease Cadillac Center



(3) Southern Railways obs (L) - B&O EMC E-7 (R)



(4) City Skyline



Thanx to Ted for the continuing contributions of his Pike Pix! [tup][tup][tup]
More next week . . .


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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:36 AM
Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

NOW PLAYING at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!

Four's A Crowd (1938) Cast: (l-r) Patrick Knowles - Olivia de Havilland - Rosalind Russell - Errol Flynn

Plot Summary for Four's a Crowd (1938)
Robert will do anything to get the big account that has eluded him. His public relations business makes public angels of rich scoundrels. Jean needs someone to save the paper and she wants Robert. When he finds out that Pat is dating Lorri, John Dillingwell's granddaughter, he gets involved. Robert begins to make John the most hated man and Lorri blames Pat, the publisher. He then goes to John for a job to erase all the bad publicity that he has gotten from the paper. This works until Pat tells John that Robert was behind the smear campaign. But John decides that he does need some good publicity and hires Robert to provide it. ... Summary written by Tony Fontana

Holiday Affair (1949)

Plot Summary for Holiday Affair (1949)
Just before Christmas, department store clerk Steve Mason meets big spending customer Connie Ennis, really a commercial spy. He unmasks her but lets her go, which gets him fired. They end up on a date, which doesn't sit well with Connie's steady suitor, Carl, but delights her son Timmy, who doesn't want Carl for a step-dad. Standard (if sweet) romantic complications follow. … Summary written by Rod Crawford


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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:31 AM


We open at 6 AM on Monday.(all times zones!) (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]

SUNDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


Yes, we are CLOSED on Sunday! However, once again it is Sunday Photo Posting Day! So, dig out those Pix and show us “what you got!”[tup]

Wanna laugh[?] Turn up your speaker volume, then Click this URL!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6930391059883546024&q=german


RepeatNAME THE two CASH REGISTERS!

Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Hear Ye – Let it be known from this day forth that the two mechanical cash registers located behind the bar shall be named “Tilla the Hun” and “The Cashinator!” Thanx Pete & Rob for the “winning” names. Also, a hearty THANX to Russell – Doug – CM3 & BK for participating![tup][tup][tup]


Daily Wisdom

When asked about insurance, he offered, “I don’t know what the best type is. But I know none is bad.”[swg]
(yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear: Northern Pacific (NP) arrives Tuesday! This will be the THEME for the DAY!

Canadian Railways of the Past: British Columbia Railways (BCR) arrives Thursday in two parts! Watch for it!

* Weekly Calendar:

Wednesday: Pike Perspective’s Day!
Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and – ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Feb 2006, 06:42:32 (256) Saturday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Feb 2006, 06:48:01 (256) ENCORE! Saturday – Fallen Flag: Erie

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 25 Feb 2006, 07:48:30 (256) Inclusive Post, etc.

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 25 Feb 2006, 07:53:04 (257) Post Script

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 25 Feb 2006, 08:35:26 (257) ENCORE! Saturday – KCS Southern Belles, etc.

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Feb 2006, 10:22:53 (257) Acknowledgments, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Feb 2006, 12:21:40 (257) ENCORE! Saturday – Ad: Fairbanks-Morse (1956)

(8) West Coast S Dave Posted: 25 Feb 2006, 12:57:01 (257) Dave Speaks!

(9) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 25 Feb 2006, 13:40:12 (257) Lars Report!

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Feb 2006, 16:26:33 (257) Acknowledgments

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Feb 2006, 16:32:53 (257) ENCORE! Saturday – Ad: PRR

(12) West Coast S Dave Posted: 25 Feb 2006, 17:44:19 (257) SP stuff

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Feb 2006, 18:49:59 (257) Reminders

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Feb 2006, 19:12:25 (257) ENCORE! Saturday – GB Poster (1870s)

(15) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 25 Feb 2006, 20:14:58 (257) The Nick Report!

(16) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 26 Feb 2006, 00:52:49 (257) Inclusive Post, etc.

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 26 Feb 2006, 01:00:33 (257) late Encore! Classic Steam #9

(18) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 26 Feb 2006, 01:04:40 (257) late Encore! Classic Steam #10

NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
. . . . . Double Features, all of the time . . . . .

. . . Sunday, February 26th thru March 4th: Fours a Crowd (1938) starring: Errol Flynn, Olivia de Havilland & Rosalind Russell – and – Holiday Affair (1949) starring: Robert Mitchum, Janet Leigh & Wendell Corey.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:17 AM
Danger always rides with railmen. Injury and death are always a split-second threat to the men who man the nation’s trains. This toppled locomotive furnishes a dramatic example. Engineer Robert G. Morgan of Cumberland, Maryland, member of the BLE and Fireman John E. Fraley, Ridgeley, West Virginia, member of BLF&E Lodge 448, were in the cab of this locomotive as it sped a Baltimore and Ohio passenger train from West Virginia toward Washington. At Gaithersburg, Maryland, just a few miles outside the nation’s capital, an automobile suddenly appeared on the tracks. A sickening collision followed. The automobile was hurled against a switch, as a result of which the train was derailed, and the locomotive crashed over on its side. Four automobile passengers were killed, Brothers Morgan and Fraley were badly injured, and seven other train passengers and crewmen were hurt. This occurred at night when the crossing was unguarded. Had a watchman been there, the tragedy might have been averted. The B&O declared later it stood ready to install fully automated crossing signals. Gaithersburg officials, however, voiced preference for a round-the-clock watchman. The town attorney, Charles R. Davies, declared: “After all, an automatic gate cannot think like a human being.”


First mallet compound locomotive in America. Built at Schenectady, New York, for the Baltimore and Ohio by the American Locomotive Company in 1904, it developed a maximum tractive power of 71,500 pounds.


Probably one of the last remaining signals of its type in the entire country (1953) is this revolving banner signal, one of two being replaced by modern signals on the Woburn Branch of the Boston and Maine Railroad.


A real old-timer., the Greenfield, No. 5 of the Connecticut River Railroad (now B&M), was built by Springfield in 1849.


[:I] A successful rancher died and left everything to his devoted wife. She was a very good-looking woman, and determined to keep the ranch, but knew very little about ranching, so she decided to place an ad in the newspaper for a ranch hand. Two men applied for the job. One was gay and the other a drunk. She thought long and hard about it, and when no one else applied, she decided to hire the gay guy, figuring it would be safer to have him around the house than the drunk. He proved to be a hard worker who put in long hours every day and knew a lot about ranching. For weeks, the two of them worked, and the ranch was doing very well. Then one day, the rancher's widow said to the hired hand, "You have done a really good job and the ranch looks great. You should go into town and kick up your heels." The hired hand readily agreed and went into town one Saturday night. One o'clock came, however, and he didn't return. Two o'clock and no hired hand. He returned around two-thirty, and upon entering the room, he found the rancher's widow sitting by the fireplace with a glass of wine, waiting for him. She quietly called him over to her. "Unbutton my blouse and take it off," she said. Trembling, he did as she directed. "Now take off my boots." He did as she asked, ever so slowly. "Now take off my socks." He removed each gently and placed them neatly by her boots. "Now take off my skirt." He slowly unbuttoned it, constantly watching her eyes in the fire light. "Now take off my bra." Again, with trembling hands, he did as he was told and dropped it to the floor. " Now," she said, "take off my panties." By the light of the fire, he slowly pulled them down and off. Then she looked at him and said, "If you ever wear my clothes into town again, you're fired." [:I]

[:I] Busload of politicians was driving down a country road, when suddenly the bus ran off the road and crashed into an old farmer's barn.
The old farmer got off his tractor and went to investigate. Soon he dug a hole and buried the politicians. A few days later, the local sheriff came out, saw the crashed bus and apsked the old farmer where all the politicians had gone.
The old farmer told him he had buried them.
The sheriff asked the old farmer, "Lordy, they were ALL dead?"
The old farmer said, "Well, some of them said they weren't, but you know how them crooked politicians lie." [:I]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:55 AM
If anyone were here to read this, I would say "Good morning Tom and gents!" But since no one is ... I'll just slip this in the mail slot. Today I put together a few old pix that I found interesting, and I hope you do too.

An Illinois Central refrigerator train of the 1890s


First all-dome rail car – America’s first all-dome railroad lounge cars, built for the Milwaukee Road by Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Co., went on public display in a number of cities on the railroad in December 1952. The full length observation-dome section seats 68 in foam rubber cushioned seats. The lower level snack-beverage-lounge seats 28. Named Super Dome cars, they began service January 1, 1953. Six are assigned to the Olympian Hiawatha, Milwaukee Road speedliner between Chicago and Seattle-Tacoma. Four more went into service on the Morning Hiawatha and the Afternoon Hiawatha, daytime speedliners between Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Minneapolis.


“V-8” German locomotive capable of speeds of 110 miles per hour, used on the Hamburg-Berlin Express, has been brought to America (1947) and is located at Fortress Monroe, Virginia.


Takes a lot of steam. This isn’t just an impressive snow scene. Beneath the mass is a railroad line and in back, a locomotive with a huge head of steam is pushing a snowplow with all its might. The scene was taken on the Alaska Railroad near Seward, just before spring thaws finally relieved the road’s crews from the almost daily and nightly tasks of clearing the snowbound tracks all winter long. Only once during the season was the railroad closed down by blizzards for as long as 24 hours.


The Westinghouse-Baldwin gas turbine locomotive


The 2000 HP gas turbine power plant


[:I] An 80-year old man goes to the doctor for a check-up. The doctor is amazed at what good shape the guy is in and asks, "How do you stay in such great physical condition?"
I'm a golfer," says the old guy, "and that's why I'm in such good shape. I'm up well before daylight and out golfing up and down the fairways."
"Well," says the doctor, "I'm sure that helps, but there's got to be more to it. How old was your dad when he died?"
"Who said my dad's dead?"
The doctor is amazed. "You mean you're 80 years old and your dad's still alive. How old is he?"
"He's 100 years old," says the old golfer. "In fact he golfed with me this morning, and that's why he's still alive . . . he's a golfer too."
"Well," the doctor says, "that's great, but I'm sure there's more to it than that. How about your dad's dad? How old was he when he died?"
"Who said my grandpa's dead?"
Stunned,he doctor asks, "You mean you're 80 years old and your grandfather's still living! Incredible, how old is he?"
"He's 118 years old," says the old golfer. .
The doctor is getting frustrated at this point, "So, I guess he went golfing with you this morning too?"
"No. Grandpa couldn't go this morning because he's getting married today."
At this point the doctor is close to losing it "Getting married!! Why would a 118 year-old guy want to get married?"
"Who said he wanted to?" [:I]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:04 AM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! CNR SPEACIAL FRIEGHTS PART 2

Also originally posted on page 191

Here's another CN Steam recollection.

Classic CNR Steam # 10 CNR speacial Frights Part 2

Merriton Switcher

Niagara Falls - Merriton,later known as the Niagara Falls-Merriton Road switcher. Night assignment through 1952,became evening assignment during the first half of 1953. Normally ran as a caboose hop to Merriton.Switched cars off the NS&T transfer ( CN trains used front tracks of station. Thje NS&T passenger cars off the interurban district loaded behind the station and they owned the yard. Station was a standard GT type two located right in the Grimsby sub mainline,sane type as Museumm's rockwood statton. Merriton station burnt down in 1998).This train then lined up cars for road trains 464 and 461. After the last NS&T job arrived and the transfer was clear, the switcher switched out any set offs and placed them in the yard for the NS&T's specific customers. Untill spring of 1954, the switcher waited for an express car off #84,then helped 461 make a set off.Niagara Falls bound cars were put onto train 461 to allieviate the beed for a pilot on the switcher. Switcher followed 461 into Niagara Falls as a caboose hop. After the spring of 1954 the Merriton switcher began returning to the falls at midnight, powered by Consolidations until deisilization.

Pilot Assignments

Operated between Niagara Falls , Merriton , and Thorold. Typically a morning and afternoon assignment.Most often a heavy Mikado assigned to Niagara falls,but any available power laying over from other assignments could be used. This was a helper for the Thorold sub hill that climbed the escarpment by lock 7 of the Welland canal. 2-3.5% grade worst in S Ontario.

Toronto-St Catharines Fruit Extras

Less-than-carload express pickup train,operated in season.Engine several "blowers" and/pr express refridgerator cars and rider coach left Toronto in the morning.Empty cars were left at points along the Grimsby subdivision. Lifted carload traffic as well.Fruit was destined for Toronto and beyond. Normal power was a light Pacific through 1655 season. SW1200RS took over after1956 no coach at this point.

Hamiltin-St Catharines Fruit Extras

Operated Hamilton-Mimico via St Catharines during the peak fruit season,this train ran almost daily. Ordered for early afternoon out of Hamilton as a caboose hop,tender first! ( occationally empties were set off but not often )Proceeded to Jordan,St Catharines,or Merriton as ordered. Lifted loaded express refridgerator cars of fruit all the way to Winnona.Whenever possible,the dispatcher issued a work order for both tracks.Once off the Grimsby sub,train highballed to Mimico,with the exception of a stop at the canal on the Beach sub( Burlington Bay ). At Mimico, a new engine and caboose took over the train,which wasted little time in proceeding to Montreal.Usually powered by a light Pacific ( occationally a Mogul or Consolidation ) all engines assigned to Hamilton. Northerns or better took over at Mimico. Train was dieselized in 1958.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:00 AM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! CNR SPEACIAL FREIGHTS PART I
This info originally appeared on page 191

CNR Classic Steam #9 Speacial Steam Frieghts on the Niagara Frontier

Thorrold Switchers

Niagara Falls to Thorold and return same day. Originally one morning assignment. Between sept 30,1945,and april 28, 1946 a second switcher was added. Both ran in the mornings,several hours appart. Circa oct 28 1957 this was cut to a single train during the navigation season. Main task was to serve the Ontario Paper company at lock 7 of the Welland Canal. train would also interchange traffic with the NS&T's electric frieght division in Thorold and Merriton.Heaveu Consolidation main locomotive of choice.


The St Thomas Way Freight

Circa april of 1940 , switching extras that left Fort Erie Tues, Thurs,& sat, for Jarvis and return.Re-classed as a way frieght in april of 1945.Frequency doubled and the territory was expanded to St Thomas so train began leaving Ft Erie M,W,Fri and leavung St Thomas Tues,thurs,& Sat. This assignment was handled by a 1600 series wabash class J2 Pacific. In the 50's 1951 on Wabash SW8's 122-127 handled this run.The train carried a CNR caboose and was jointly operated,CNR and Wabash alternated crewing this train every six months.Effective 1953 Wabash with drew their crews for the local swtiching on the St Thomas division in favour of all CNR crews. Served all local industries. CNR operated train with heavy consolidations until dieselized in 1957 wwith SW1200RS's and GP7's.

Welland way freight

Niagara Fall's to Welland way freight or switcher,returnung the same day. Became known as a way frieght in april of 1945. A joint CNR/Wabash service ( ie CN could handle the Wabash cars ), although this was infrequent as the line handled very little Waba***raffic. Main jop was to service the Cyanamid plant in Port Robinson. Train only operated as far as Port Robinson after 1959. Consolidations in the 2300/2400 series were the power of choice,dieselized after 1958 by SW1200RS's and GP7's.

Enjoy more later.

Rob








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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:52 AM
A quick good evening Leon. you did hose down the bar with disinfectant right ( wouldn't want Nick's Montezoma's revenge taking hold here) [:O][XX(]A quick CR for me and a round for the pool room denezins as well.

Nick Good to see you back somewhat healthy mate, ( hope you don't mind the sugical masks and rubber gloves ?) Alway's something unpleasant about a rubber glove being snapped on behind your back somehow. I'm am indeed luckey to have a mate as intersted in trains as myself-she generally share's my evil twisted sence of humour as well ! BTW speaking of which, you will have no worries, the more horrible the email, the more likely I'll send it to you !

Ted Nice to see you two in a row [wow][yeah][tup] Ruthy has been pining so, I do hate to see that [:-^] I'm glad that you liked the builders of old, I think if it wasn't for the mass dieselization of the 50's a good third of those companies would have been gone earlier. As it was once the diesels were in place the lessor companies dropped off quickley, as less units were needed and there was too many cooks in the kitchen if you know what I mean.

Dave Great info on the SDP45's, a true rarity.Always intersting to hear about the teething and our continuous problems with some diesel models. I always enjoyed the FM locomotives some how, they apparently required more maintenance than some of the other manufacturer's products,but if maintained they would give a railroad more than there weights worth in gold of service. Too bad they jumped in so late to the cab unit and roadswitcher markets, 2 or 3 yeasr earlier and they may have mad emore inroads. Day late doller short I guess.

Tom Wonderfull encores! from you as always. I'm humbled that my register suggestion had made the cut. Nice to see thing s flowing today, bit busier than normal at least on the last couple o sat's. I think I can scrap up some pix for tomorrow / today as well. I'm glad that Leon was able to "do his letter's" as he likes to call them, besides the more crosswords he gets done the more fresh cage liners we have for AWK's cage.Mind you we need to stop buying him the crossword toilet paper,not a problem for Leon, but Boris just gets needlessly confused by it [alien][:O] we've lost more good copies of the gazette that way.

Al Good pick for an encore ! short and concise [tup][tup]

Lars What can i say to you. At least you are getting your stuff installed,as to that company sounds like they are up that certain creek without the paddle. It's almost too bad that that Fight Back with David Horrowitz show isn't on TV anymore,he would have made it quite hot under their collars for you, not that you haven't done that yourselves. I suppose it's a good thing that this winter has been on the more or less tame side temperaturewise, still to me it's unacceptable that you've had to move out to keep warm,hopefully in a few month's you can look back on this lot and laugh about it.


Have a good evening folks.


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Posted by nickinwestwales on Saturday, February 25, 2006 8:14 PM
Well good evening [4:-)][oX)]TOM & gentlemen all-apologies for the extended absence-as our `steamed proprietor mentioned,have spent the last week playing unwilling host to a combined `flu & gastric bug of unusual malevolence-today is the first in a while when I can cough without my legs crossed ( too much info. there ) so belly up to the bar my friends,tonight the beers are on me.
Have just worked through the last few pages and will try to be as inclusive as poss. here-So-starting at the top of the chain -of-command:-TOM-fine photo spread on the Swiss rail domes etc-a fascinating system,as previously noted,the worlds biggest train set,likewise the T.G.V stuff-some very smart kit they have there.
R.E. the Lionel ads-I suspect that,like my Hornby `O`gauge clockwork toys of childhood,they remain sweeter in the memory.........
DOUG-love those gags my man,if the work ever dries up over there you have a regular gig doing stand-up to open for the band over here[^]-the moneys cr*p but the fringe benefits sweeten the deal [swg]
LARS-Sounds like your troubles put mine sharply into perspective-hope things are finally coming together there-your mention of the insurance assessor at the wrong house does call to mind an anecdote however-
Took a family holiday with the in-laws to Ireland a couple of years back,arrived at the address of the rented house-keys wouldn`t fit the lock,left the guys out front whilst I tried a bit of tyre-iron diplomacy on the back windows-still no joy,some minutes later one of the neighbours poked her head over the fence-"Oh,sure and you`ll be wanting the other number 8"--two sets of houses on the same cul-de-sac both numbered 1 through 12-only in Ireland.........P.S-your Francophobic outlook marks you down as an honorary Brit [swg]
RUSS-Cant be doing with `Money` for the cash-box-the bass line is in 7/4 time and even Roger Waters admits he cant play it as it was written ( you need an extra finger on the left hand-trust me on this)
PETE-sackcloth and ashes all round after todays Calcutta cup shambles-trust the bloody Scots to upset the apple-cart-nuff said.
Anyway,good to see you flying the flag in my absence-never thought to see the name Bill Hoole on these pages[^]-a nice little profile on the `Deltics` also-a glorious set of machines,can`t decide whether I prefer the blue with whiskers or the two-tone green-rail blue was never a starter for me.
As to black `5`s,for those interested a `composite`pic is at #9 on pg 2 of nicks pix.
R.E. L.M.S 0-6-0`s-1:-a left over from the Midland Railway small engine policy 2:-they were a *** good design-right through from the Kirtley 1 & 2F types to the classic Johnson & Fowler 3 & 4F`s.
Was your Trix set 2-rail or Trix-Twin ?-Tri-Ang produced a similar set with a Jinty,C+S 4w crane,single bolster and black liveried G.W clerestory bk 3rd
ROB-you are definately winning the weird lash-up contest so far-I`d love to see a pic of that little lot !!!!!--Good news on the extended territory front-always a good move to choose ones life-partner from train spotting stock,it saves a great deal of un-necessary unpleasantness [swg]-P.S-keep the horrible E-Mails coming,much appreciated[tup][tup]
BK-Dont worry my friend,the secret of your `other life` as Zorro the masked avenger is safe with us.......
CM3-Are you sure it was Camels the guy was smoking?-I get similar results from...no,let`s not go there..
Right,that looks like most of it-apologies to anybody i`ve missed.
Well,it`s been a busy couple of weeks at this end of the Zeppelin service,as you may remember,have hooked up with the Hoochie Coochie band-which turns out to be just the singer ( "Mojo" Morgan-the rest of the band having de-camped with some nordic `Ice-Maiden` slapper ) -first rehearsals ( prior to above mentioned bug ) very promising-full-tilt R`n`B band in the classic Dr Feelgood/George Thorogood/Fabulous Thunderbirds mould-due to have photo session this week for B.B.C.( probably one of these "specialist" progs that go out at 2 a.m. sunday) as well as Mojo`s own site ( currently being updated with Bios` etc)-on my way over here tonight got an E-Mail about some talent scout looking to add us to his roster-all a bit `Spinal Tap` but prepared to go with the flow as it were.
Stay tuned for further surreal developments...................
Right,time for another spoonful of Kaolin & Morphine mixture,well past my bed time(very rock`n`roll)-no pix this week I`m afraid but should be able to get back on track with things this week,take care everybody,regards,nick [C=:-)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:12 PM
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GREAT BRITAIN PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #4 from multiple sources

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains, this time from Great Britain! Check this 1870s poster out!

EXCURSIONISTS

. . . . . . . . . . MAY SECURE . . . . . . . . . .

£100 FOR THEIR FAMILIES

. . . . . . . . . . IN CASE OF . . . . . . . . . .

DEATH BY RAILWAY ACCIDENT,

. . . . . IN A TRIP OF ANY LENGTH . . . . .

With an allowance for themselves when hurt of £1 Os. Od. per Week
for a period not exceeding Six Months,
. . . . . . . . . . BT TAKING . . . . . . . . . .

AN INSURANCE TICKET, COSTING TWO PENCE.

Premium to Insure £500 in a First Class Carriage of Excursion Train, or £3 per Week for Injury – SIXPENCE.

N.B. For Insurance Tickets ask the Clerk to whom you Pay your Railway Fare.

64, CORNHILL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Wm. J. VAIN, Secretary.

. . . . . Grant & Co., London, Manchester, & Paris . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 25, 2006 6:49 PM
Evenin' Gents!

Just a reminder to whoever may pop in for the remainder of this day:

Saturday is and has been our ENCORE! day New material is discouraged simply because we most times have few customers frequenting the bar to do justice to your hard work. In other words, why waste a perfectly good composition when Monday thru Friday is available[?] ENCORE! means repeat something!

We are CLOSED on Sundays - but we do have our Sunday Photo Posting Day! scheduled. Again, save your original Posts until Monday thru Friday!

Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)

I'll have one more ECORE! before checking out . . . .

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:44 PM
Tom...True enough The traditional "Overland Route" was Odgen, UT. to Sacramento, you could expand it to inculde the UP via Odgen to Omaha,C&NW from Omaha to Chicago. Perhaps one of the best recalled slogans, no doubt those Harrimans understood the value of a catchy phrase to grab the public's attention.

Ok, round of CR, now the we be past the morn, splice the main brace please!!!

Without further ado..presenting the unremarked SDP45

By 1967, SP was intent on retiring the remaining eighteen Alco PA's who's maintaince and operating cost had become excessive, based upon performance of the SD45, which SP was estatic about, EMD suggested the V20, 3200hp passenger version could be the solution.

Without any additional urging, SP inked an order for ten, sight unsee to be numbered 3201-3209. Upon entering service they exceeded all specifications and quickly sent most of the passenger cab unit fleet to the scrapper. In a matter of months they assumed all remaining intercity passenger runs and accomplished the goal of single unit operation of passengers trains as a cost control measure. The practice of adding extra units to protect from failure was eliminated and all schedules were greatly improved due to the excellent performance of those 3200 horses.

Upon the creation of Amtrak, SP sold the remaining cab units to the power short operation, the SDP45's were not included in the deal, but were leased to help with the transition, all remained on home rails and for time it seemed as if nothing had changed. All knew that their pending reassignment to San Francisco spelled the end for the much beloved trainmasters, but the trainmasters would not fade into retirment without one last fight, a repreive courtesy of EMD themselves: The first SDP45 powered commute runs were a diaster, they proved unable to maintain the schedule and would loose time over the route much to the chigrin of SP and EMD. Bottom line, the units were sluggish and would not transition between severe and light loads under great acceleration variables without roasting the traction motors or inducing turbo backfires.


The failure was due to a design issue with the automatic load regulator, a problem that had existed since the days of the FT and was a familar story to EMD engineers. Unlike EMD, Fairbanks Morse electrical systems employed no load regulator thus full power was available on demand without dammage to wiring or traction motors or suprise under-load shutdown of the power plant that could, and did cause expensive-time consuming repairs on EMD units so equipped.

SP quickly decided to rectify this flaw, and despite EMD's protest , reached the decision to install adjustable regulators, as freight duty in the off hours was a unescapable fact of life for the commute fleet. Thus the generators could recieve ample current when in passenger use for quick accleration and could be adjusted to disapate heat for slow freight drags without meltdown. Western Pacific, which had extensive experience with this ill design and had a ready solution assisted in providing SP with technical guidence throughout the modifications...

By 1975, all ten had been converted to adjustable load regulators, traction motor wiring upgrades and extensive electrical locker improvements and upon sucessfull testing and acceptance, all sixteen trainmasters were retired at Bayshore. The SDP45's assumed the burden of peak commute service where twelve car trains were the norm on three minute headways , occasionaly the fleet answered the call to company service and officers special. In the summer of 1978 an upsurge in freight business and a lack of sufficient locomotives forced the SDP45's back into the freight pool for the remainder of the year, their place was taken by fifteen leased Amtrak P30CH's until mysterious derailments with these units caused SP to scavage the dead line for suitable home road power where several disused GP35's laguished.

The next chapter occured In 1984, SP sold the commute operation and rail lines to a new operator, CalTrain, it was hoped Caltrain would find use for the big 45's as they were of little use to SP for freight duty due to newer power arriving and strict emission regulations in the Bay Area. Caltrain chose to replace all former SP equiptment. SP immediately retired those awaiting heavy repairs, Seven remained after the takover of the commute operations and stripped of steam generators, moved to fright duty out of Roseville.

Later in 1984, 3207 was repainted in the
dis-allowed SP/SF merger paint the only true passenger unit of either road to display these doomed colors. Seven were available for service at the time of the UP merger and would prove to be of good use for their new owner for several more years before final retirement...


Dave
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:32 PM
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first Posted on page 143

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #11

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) from an advertisement in Classic American Trains


NOW . . . A Complete RECREATION CAR

Especially Designed for Your Pleasure

In daily service on The Jeffersonian, popular all-coach streamliner between New York and St. Louis!
A dramatic highlight in Pennsylvania railroad’s new equipment program, this colorful new recreation car provides amusement and entertainment for all ages. A luxurious game and reading lounge . . . a children’s playroom . . . a sunken buffet lounge . . . miniature movie theatre – pleasure with variety. Be among the first to enjoy it! Reserve a seat on The Jeffersonian on your next trip!

SO ROOMY AND RESTFUL – the new overnight coaches on The Jeffersonian. Only 44 seats to the car – and all reclining! You’ll like the new lighting too – fluorescent, 4 times brighter but easy on the eyes. New-type air-conditioning adds still more comfort.

EXTRA LARGE MODERN WASHROOMS, one for women, one for men at the end of each coach – handsomely decorated – with 3 glistening washstands and 2 toilet annexes.

Enjoy these New Features at Low Coach Fares!

THE JEFFERSONIAN
. . . . . . . . . . Westbound . . . . . . . . . .
Lv. New York . . . . . 6:15 P.M.
Lv. Philadelphia . . . 7:43 P.M.
Lv. Washington . . . 6:20 P.M.
Lv. Baltimore . . . . . 7:05 P.M.
Lv. Harrisburg . . . . .9:42 P.M.
Ar. Columbus . . . . . 6:46 A.M.
Ar. Dayton . . . . . . ..8:21 A.M.
Ar. Indianapolis . . . .9:27 A.M.
Ar. St. Louis . . . . . .1:50 P.M.
. . . . . . . . . . Eastbound . . . . . . . . . .
Lv. St. Louis . . . . . . 1:00 P.M.
Lv. Indianapolis . . . . 5:07 P.M.
Lv. Dayton . . . . . . . .8:13 P.M.
Lv. Columbus . . . . . .9:35 P.M.
Ar. Harrisburg . . . . . 6:51 A.M.
Ar. Baltimore . . . . . . 9:23 A.M.
Ar. Washington . . . .10:10 A.M.
Ar. Philadelphia . . . . .8:52 A.M.
Ar. New York . . . . . .10:25 A.M

Recreation car facilities available to Baltimore and Washington passengers between Harrisburg and St. Louis.

PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD
. . . . . . . . . . Serving the Nation . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:26 PM
G'day!

Saturday visits from Dave 'n Lars - good show![tup]

Not quite sure about the reference to your Promotory comments, but the input is appreciated. (Must be another "Tom" [swg]) That Overland Route at one time was emblazoned on the UP herald, eh[?] Presuming it was a route of similar wanderings.

Well, Lars I'd say that if one more thing happens at your place, there's going to be a call to "NY's Finest!" Good grief! Is this ever going to end for you[?] I admire the fact that you are able to take it a step at a time, and sounds as if you've gotten it down to the common denominator.[tup]

I'm not sure when your "adventure" begins, but I seem to recall you mentioning that you'd be gone during the period of our Rendezvous in Toronto so unless you're going to be out on the left coast for a loooooooooong time, I doubt that we'll chance a meeting on the Zephyr. We return in June. And yes, we should compare notes, and perhaps Pix too.[tup]

Thanx both for the rounds - I'll just put the cash aside until we get a crowd to justify spending it![tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, February 25, 2006 1:40 PM
Posted: 25 Feb 2006, page 257

Good Afternoon Tom and whoever is around today!

Looks like a string of quiet days according to what my review of the pages has revealed. That isn’t all bad, though. Should give you some time to catch up on whatever else you may need or want to do.

Set me up with a belt of JD on the rocks if you please and I’ll hold off on the food thank you. Here’s a ten spot for the guys – whenever they stop by – just put it in the Lars Box thanks![tup] Better make it a double after reading those jokes put out there by barndad Doug![swg]

So, where was I the last time I dumped my problems on you[?] Oh yeah, the insurance company. Got a registered letter from them this morning and in it – surprise, surprise – a copy of a “stop payment” on their check along with a written notice that they are canceling us out from the homeowner’s insurance effective 30 days from the date of the letter IF the money isn’t returned. A check (ha!) will be sent to us with the balance of our premium (but no interest, of course!!). So, I guess they told us, huh[?][tdn] Idiots!

I am not at all concerned about this, as I have been assured that they are “a day late and a dollar short” with getting anything done on that check. It was cashed FOR CASH, which means, there’s not a whole heck-of-a-lot they can do about it now. Insofar as dropping us – I think they have that in reverse. We surely would not have renewed with them! So, we’ll find another company – there are plenty to select from, and life will go on. Idiots!

Yesterday was another wunnerful Lawrence Welk) experience. The hot water tank got replaced with no sweat. The furnace, ah – that’s another matter. They are back at it today after nearly having WWIII break out in my basement during the afternoon when the guy said he’d be back MONDAY to finish up. After some rational conversation, followed by some not-so-rational conversation, followed by a phone call to the company who sent Mr. Bozo to our home, another “technician” came this mid-morning to resume the installation. Of course we were without heat last night – stayed over at one of my son’s houses. Are you all following this saga[?] Absolutely incredible, isn’t it[?]

So, here’s the deal – furnace should up up and running within an hour. Then come Monday, the digging begins. I’d say we’re getting close to having all of this behind us. We’ve really enjoyed wearing sweaters over sweaters and running up the electric bill with the space heaters! Ah, but what’s money for if not to spend it[?] Just a matter of where, I suppose. Sea duty was never like this![swg]

Took a break from it all to check out what’s been happening here and over on your other thread. Looks like more activity there than here! Anyway, sorry that I’m not contributing to the ENCORE! of the day, but I’m rather overwhelmed as you can imagine. Hope to check in tomorrow for the pix, but won’t make any promises about submissions of my own. I should be back in the saddle before the new week ends, I hope!

Hey Tom that’s one mighty fine rail trip you have mapped out. We’re taking the Zephyr to Oakland/San Francisco, then motor on down the coast for a visit with some relatives and friends. We too will take the train back to Chicago. We’ll have to compare notes, eh[?] Rather than take the train from here to Chicago, we’re going to fly as that rail route is not at all something I enjoy. A far, far cry from days of yesteryear. Been awhile since I’ve traveled the route of the Zephyrs, but I’m looking forward to it. The wife likes train travel, which helps, but she’s hardly the crazed nut that I become once I get to the station.[swg] Once all this mess is cleared up around here, we’ll have to engage in some emailing to compare itineraries. Wouldn’t it be something if we returned on the same train! No such luck is my guess.

Thanks a whole heck-of-a-lot to one and all for your well wishes and moral support. I know this is cyber space, but it still is meaningful and appreciated![tup][tup][tup]

Tonight is take the wife out to dinner and a show night. We’re heading over to “the city,” for both. Been a while for that too, but she surely deserves a break from the absolute nightmare that this has been of late.

Enjoy the weekend, guys!


Until the next time!

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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:57 PM
Morning Tom and the gang, still early my time, cuppa joe please.. Great job showcasing FM as all the other builders, Pete,Tom regarding those Promotory questions from the 24th. Here's the skinny.
After completion of the Lucin Cutoff in 1904, the orginal Promotory alignment was reduced to branch status, except for infrequent detours, Western Union operated wire maintaince line trains constituted most of the traffic, who's pole line had not be relocated to the new route. By 1942 Western Union had abandoned it's pole line after a agreement was reached with SP to relocate the lines across the causeway.

SP filed for abandoment of the Promotory Route with the US Government taking ownership, they in turn contracted scrapper Hyman-Michaels to salvage the rails for use at the Hawthorne, Nv. Navy Depot, ties were left for salvage by local ranchers.

After the terrible causeway washouts of 1982,83,84 that brought the Overland Route to a halt, SP studied the possibilty of
re-laying the line and abandoning the route across the Great Salt Lake. Dollars won out at the end, it was far cheaper to shore up the existing causeway or failing that, to seek a trackage agreement with the UP for use of the former WP route which skirted the lake to the south.


Ok gang still getting up to speed and I should try to get some work acomplished first , I shall return with my daily SP motive power review..today I present for your viewing pleasure, the SDP45.

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:21 PM
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first Posted on page 142

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this ad out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956) [located on the back cover]

Pioneering design keeps

Fairbanks-Morse motive power

first on the rails

. . . . . . . . . . .

F-M Introduced America’s First –

2000 horsepower road locomotive

2000 horsepower road switcher

2400 horsepower passenger unit,
the “Consolidation Line”

2400 horsepower six-motor road unit, the ‘Train Master”

Each of these Fairbanks-Morse First’s was a trend-maker toward higher horsepower per motive unit – a trend quickly followed by other locomotive builders to the benefit of the railroad industry as a whole.

- - - - - - and now, another pace-setter, the “Speed Merchant” . . . America’s newest high-speed, lightweight passenger locomotives ., . . conceived with brilliant flexibility and single-engine simplicity – designed to put the profit back in passenger service.

- - - - - - Pioneering the future . . . improving the present. These are the continuing goals of the Locomotive Division of Fairbanks-Morse & Co., Chicago 5, Ill.


FAIRBANKS-MORSE
a name worth remembering when you want the BEST

DIESEL LOCOMOTIVES AND ENGINES – RAIL CARS AND RAILROAD EQUIPMENT – ELECTRICAL MACHINERY – PUMPS – SCALES – WATER SERVICE EQUIPMENT– MAGNETOS

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:22 AM
Good Morning!

[wow] Was yesterday a holiday[?] Seems like the guys had other things to do aside from imbibing in the good times, the spirits and the spirit of ”Our” Place. I kind of figured BK ‘n Lars would be elsewhere, as BK has been talking about various trips in Alberta. Lars, of course, has other things on his plate, eh[?]

Okay, so that was then and this is now. Very pleased to see not one, but two Posts from Ted! Now that hasn’t happened in awhile.[tup] I can’t recall the last time anyone commented on those Emporium movie posters and reviews . . . glad they brought back some good memories - that is what was intended![tup] Also, I think you stated it quite well regarding the Legion of the Lost ‘n RIP – it really WAS good to share in many of those Posts from days gone by. Nothing or no one stays the same – not even moi! Really.[swg]

Thanx to Pete ‘n Rob for keeping Leon awake last night. We had let the staff depart early in the evening and put the covers over the pool tables, turned off the lights and large screen TVs. He got quite a few “crosswords” done, so I hear![swg]

Pete Glad the URL “did it” for ya![tup] It took awhile, but I finally came across it a bit ago, just neglected to get it Posted! Regarding that CNR Ad – don’t be concerned, that was a 1933 timeframe, those bears are long gone![swg] [:O] [;)]

Rob Isn’t that something regarding what is going on with VIA Rail and the pricing[?] They have always had seasonal increases in fares, but what they’ve done with the “Ocean” is simply outrageous. The thing is, there are many people in the Maritimes who use those trains, really do. Many kids from university, many others from place to place. They surely are priced out of using it now and all for the “tourist” dollar. As I said, outrageous. I’m a bit surprised that T2000 hasn’t screamed and hollered loud ‘n clear on the issue. But then again, they are about transit moreso than long distance train travel. Oh well . . . we do have choices, and we’re exercising ours.

Given that this is our ENCORE! Saturday it’s good to see that Al jumped right in with an “oldie, but goodie” from days gone by – KCS Southern Belles – good readin’ fer sure, fer sure. Don’t be concerned about not being able to catch up – we had a slow day yesterday, just look at the Summary, hardly worth keeping the doors opened.<frown> But guys like you, who spring for rounds and leave an amount of cash on the bar, help pay the bills![tup][tup]

Sure wi***he Pix on the web weren’t so restricted – for there’s surely a “bunch” out there. I wonder just how many are really “copyrighted,” or if that’s nothing more than a ploy to keep the honest people honest[?] Well, put me in that category – I’m not a proponent of using someone elses work, unless it is clearly evident that it falls within the parameters of “public use,” etc. This is one of those very grey areas, given that “policing” is seemingly impossible. Oh well.

The May-June rail adventure has been booked! So, we are going to take the Empire Builder – Coast Starlight ‘n California Zephyr on a “whirlwind” rail tour of a large portion of the northern tier and mid section of the states. Should be a blast and we’re looking forward to it. Thanx for the well wishes from Pete – Rob ‘n Ted![tup]

Okay boyz, time to get back to “Honey do Saturday” ‘round the Haus![swg] Ain’t life an ‘itch, boyz!<grin>


Later![tup]


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, February 25, 2006 8:35 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang . Just time for a quick coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

Have not had time to read any of yesterdays posts throughly yet so will get into them this afternoon.

For Encore Saturday i would like to bring back the following:

SOUTHERN BELLE KCS Trains 1-2 September 1, 1940 Kansas City – New Orleans daily overnight 872.8 miles 18 hours 15 minutes

The Kansas City Southern introduced a mixed heavyweight and lightweight pair of streamlined trains on September 2, 1940. The new SOUTHERN BELLE required three sets of equipment to provide daily service in each direction between Kansas City and New Orleans. Initially the trains operated with a modernized semi streamlined heavyweight 10 Section 3 Double Bedroom sleeping car on the overnight part of the trip in each direction that being the Shreveport – New Orleans segment, those cars were SILOAM SPRINGS and SULPHUR SPRINGS. When Pullman assigned a third 10 Section 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car to the SOUTHERN BELLE in February 1941 named BARKSDALE, sleeping cars began operating through between New Orleans and Kansas City. Later in April, 1941Pullman assigned two more semi streamlined modernized heavy-weight 10 Section 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars STATE CAPITAL and MENA to the SOUTHERN BELLE but these operated only between Shreveport and New Orleans the overnight part of the run. A second lightweight streamlined coach was also carried nightly in each consist between Shreveport and New Orleans. The following is representative of the SOUTHERN BELLE south of Shreveport after all prewar cars were in service.

CONSIST ONE

21 EMD E3A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

64 Baggage 30’Railway Post Office 6-Crew Dormitory

234 PITTSBURG 74-Revenue Seat Coach

237 ALEXANDRIA 74-Revenue Seat Coach

SILOAM SPRINGS Heavyweight 10-Section 3-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

54 KANSAS CITY 2-Day Room Lunch Counter Kitchen 24-Seat Dining 8-Revenue Seat Parlor 8-Seat Lounge Observation

In the above consist 237 ALEXANDRIA and SILOAM SPRINGS operated in train between Shreveport and New Orleans overnight. All other cars operated Kansas City – New Orleans

CONSIST TWO

22 EMD E3A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

65 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office 6-Crew Dormitory Car

235 JOPLIN 74-Revenue Seat Coach

238 BATON ROUGE 74-Revenue Seat Coach

SULPHUR SPRINGS Heavyweight 10-Section 3-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

55 SHREVEPORT 2-Dayroom Lunch Counter Kitchen 24-Seat Dining 8-revenue Seat Parlor 8-Seat Lounge Observation

In consist two cars 238 BATON ROUGE and SULPHUR SPRINGS operated overnight between New Orleans and Shreveport.

CONSIST THREE

23 EMD E3A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

66 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office 6-Crew Dormitory Car

236 TEXARKANA 74-Revenue Seat Coach

56 NEW ORLEANS 2-Dayroom Lunch Counter Kitchen 24-Seat Dining 8-Revenue Seat Parlor 8-Seat Lounge Observation

In February 1941 a third heavyweight sleeping car was added BARKSDALE this permitted through Kansas City – New Orleans Sleeping Car service.

In April 1941 two additional heavyweight sleeping cars STATE CAPITAL and MENA were added to the SOUTHERN BELLE pool of cars. This permitted the SOUTHERN BELLE to operate additional sleeping cars in overnight Shreveport – New Orleans service as well as the Kansas City – New Orleans sleeping cars.

GULF COAST REBEL GM&O Trains 16-17 October 27, 1940 Mobile – East St. Louis daily overnight each direction 648 miles 16 hours 55 minutes

The GULF COAST REBEL were diesel powered streamlined heavyweight trains with the GM&O shops completing the streamlining in there Jackson shops on 9 cars and Pullman Calumet streamlining a pair of Heavyweight Pullmans for the new trains.

CONSIST ONE

270 Alco DL-109 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

32 Heavyweight Streamlined Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

63 Heavyweight Streamlined Baggage Car

243 Heavyweight Streamlined 6-Crew Dormitory 48-Revenue Seat Coach

101 Heavyweight Streamlined 6-Seat Lunch Counter 8-Seat Dining 8-Seat Lounge 24-Revenue Seat Coach

SHOW ME Heavyweight Streamlined 8-Section 1-Drawing Room 3-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CONSIST TWO

271 Alco DL-109 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

33 Heavyweight Streamlined Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

65 Heavyweight streamlined Baggage Car

328 Heavyweight Streamlined 6-Crew Dormitory 48-Revenue Seat Coach

102 Heavyweight Streamlined 8-Seat Lunch Counter 8-Seat Dining 8-Seat Lounge 24-Revenue Seat Coach

DEEP SOUTH Heavyweight streamlined 8-Section 1-Drawing Room 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

New lightweight streamlined 68 seat Coaches replaced the 48-seat Coaches in December 1947 from the 3050 – 3060 series.

New lightweight streamlined sleeping cars with 4-Section 8-Roomette 1-Compartment and 3-Double Bedroom interiors replaced the prewar heavyweight sleeping cars in July 1950.The sleeping cars were named as follows:
CULVER WHITE
JUDGE MILTON BROWN
SAMUEL KING TIGRETT
TIMOTHY B. BLACKSTONE


The GULF COAST REBEL lasted until 1958 when it was discontinued.


CHOCTAW ROCKET CRI&P Trains 51-52 November 17, 1940 Memphis – Amarillo nightly each direction 762 9 hours 30 minutes

The Rock Island inaugurated a new streamlined ROCKET between Memphis, Tennessee and Amarillo, Texas daily. The new streamlined trains operated in each direction daily beginning November 17, 1940. The two new train sets were each powered by a single 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit one from EMD the other from ALCO. Major cities served along the route of the CHOCTAW ROCKET between Memphis and Amarillo was Little Rock, McAlester, and Oklahoma City. These trains replaced older heavyweight steam powered trains along the route. The two Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office cars were heavyweights all other cars were new lightweights delivered by Pullman Standard.

CONSIST ONE

624 ALCO DL103B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

502 Heavyweight Baggage 30’Railway Post Office Car

350 AMARILLO 68-Revenue Seat Divided Coach

622 SEMINOLE 8-Section 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

430 MEMPHIS 24-Seat Dining 16-Revenue Seat Parlor Observation

CONSIST TWO

622 ALCO DL107 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

501 Heavyweight Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

351 OKLAHOMA CITY 68-Revenue Seat Divided Coach

623 WEWOKA 8-Section 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

431 LITTLE ROCK 24-Seat Dining 16-Revenue Seat Parlor Observation

TTFN AL
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:53 AM
Hey Tom, thanks for bringing the Erie Triplex to mind. Happy rails.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:48 AM
Very good week end wishes to all. Tom, I think just a toasted English and a cuppa Joe for now. Hey your proposed rail excursion sounds fabulous. Best wishes for a great Anniversary.[tup] Doug, those older books, magazines of yours surely have a lot of value to Seniors such as me who came in at the "tail end" of the "Steam Era." I recall watching a U.P. "Big Boy" in Salida, CO. inching its way from the yard with around 70 freight cars in tow. One set of drivers would begin to slip and the other set "kicked in" until, at last, the train was in motion. The cab forwards have been favorites of mine for years along with the Erie Triplex, et al. but there is no rationale for them on my small Pike.[V] Pete, the Deltic was really unique and happily the protoypes survive for posterity. It is a "cryin shame" that U.S. Roads couldn't begin their preservation efforts much earlier. So many "one of a kind" or historically "classic" pieces were torched too soon and now, gone forever. Rob, the data on various diesel manufactureres is as informative as it is important to any rail Buff. It caused wonder for me as to how some of these companies survived as long as they did. Al, as usaual your input on the Florida Special was a "ringer." I didn't realize R.F. & P. and Florida East Coast were carriers. I thought only P.R.R. and A.C.L. did the chores, many thanks.

I caught the "Double Feature" at the Emporium about 45 years ago, or more. Almost forgot what: story line, acting, plot/counter plot, cinematography, and natural scenery were all about.[tup] The Canadian National Nostalgia piece is always a welcome, if "bitter sweet" sight Tom. Hey, sorry I can't add anything of substance to the NHL debate. Pro sports (in general) have been "written off" by yours truly. Anymore, its college football, pro soccer, PGA for moi. [#offtopic]I look at the R.I.P and "Legion of the Lost" in much the same way as our favorite Road's of the past. I'm just greatful that it all happened "once upon a time."[^] "May the best man win" on the cash register christening. I forgot to enter my bid for "Bread and Butter." Alas, "a day late and a dollar short." How's that for an essay of hackneyed cliches Boris? Ahhh forget it!!![:(!]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 25, 2006 6:48 AM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 152

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Erie Railroad

Headquarters: Cleveland, OH

Mileage in 1950: 2,341

Locomotives in 1960:

Diesel: 695

Rolling stock in 1960:

Freight cars: 20,372
Passenger cars: 519

Principal routes in 1950:

Jersey City-Paterson, NJ-Middletown-Hornell, NY-Youngstown, OH-Chicago (Hammond-Chicago via rights on the Chicago & Western Indiana)
Marion-Dayton-Cincinnati, OH (Dayton-Cincinnati via rights on the B&0)
Hamilton, OH-Indianapolis, IN (rights on the B&O)
Leavittsburg-Cleveland, OH
Pymatuning, PA-Leavittsburg, OH
Hornell-Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY
Salamanca-Dunkirk, NY
Corning (Painted Post)-Attica, NY
Avon-Rochester, NY
River Junction-Cuba Junction, NY
Carrolton, NY-Eleanora Jct., NY (Brockway-Eleanora Jct. via B&O rights)
Corning, NY-Newberry, Jct., PA
Lanesboro-Wilkes Barre & Scranton, PA
Lackawaxen-Avoca, PA
Newburgh Jct.-Campbell Hall-Graham, NY
Maybrook-Pine Island, NY
Croxton (Jersey City)-Nyack, NY
Piermont-Suffern, NY
NY&NJ Jct.,-Ridgewood Jct.
Paterson (Newark Jct.)-Newark, NJ
Croxton-Midvale, NJ

Passenger trains of note:

Erie Limited (Jersey City-Chicago & Buffalo)
Lake Cities (Jersey City-Cleveland & Buffalo; later extended to Chicago)
Pacific Express (Jersey City-Chicago)
Atlantic Express (Chicago-Jersey City)
Midlander (Jersey City-Chicago)
Southern Tier Express (Buffalo-Hornell-Jersey City)
Mountain Express (Jersey City-Hornell)
Tuxedo (Jersey City-Port Jervis)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 25, 2006 6:42 AM

(photo courtesy: www.trainweb.org)

We open at 6 AM.(all times zones!) (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]

SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


The weekend has arrived! Start the day right here with a hot cuppa freshly brewed “Joe,” a little something from The Mentor Village Bakery pastry case topped off with an order from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast. Sounds good, eh[?][tup]


NAME THE two CASH REGISTERS!

Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Hear Ye – Let it be known from this day forth that the two mechanical cash registers located behind the bar shall be named “Tilla the Hun” and “The Cashinator!” Thanx Pete & Rob for the “winning” names. Also, a hearty THANX to Russell – Doug – CM3 and BK for participating![tup][tup][tup]


Daily Wisdom

I wish I had an answer to that, because I’m tired of answering that question.
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(yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear: Northern Pacific (NP) arrives Tuesday! This will be the THEME for the DAY!

* Weekly Calendar:

Today: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and – ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 05:19:45 (256) Friday’s Info & Summary

(2) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 07:17:55 (256) INCLUSIVE POST! & Streamliner #67

(3) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 07:29:19 (256) AM visit!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 08:48:54 (256) Acknowledgments, etc.

(5) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 09:07:30 (256) Inclusive Post, etc.

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 10:44:08 (256) reply to trolleyboy, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 16:37:54 (256) NOSTALGIA #70, Ad – CNR (1933)

(8) barndad Doug Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 19:53:27 (256) Inclusive & Informative Post & joke

(9) barndad Doug Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 19:56:30 (256) SP – A National War Agency, part II & joke

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 19:57:39 (256) Comments

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 20:12:45 (256) reply to barndad

(12) pwolfe Pete Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 21:33:52 (256) Inclusive & Informative Post!

(13) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 23:25:17 (256) Inclusive Post, etc.



NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
. . . . . Double Features, all of the time . . . . .

. . . Sunday, February 19th thru 25th: Fahrenheit 451 (1966) starring: Oskar Werner, Julie Christie & Cyril Cusack – and – Northwest Frontier (1959) starring: Kenneth More, Lauren Bacall & Herbert Lom.

Coming Attractions:

. . . Sunday, February 26th thru March 4th: Fours a Crowd (1938) starring: Errol Flynn, Olivia de Havilland & Rosalind Russell – and – Holiday Affair (1949) starring: Robert Mitchum, Janet Leigh & Wendell Corey.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, February 24, 2006 11:25 PM
good evening Leon, thamnks for saving that fine looking piece of meat for me,and with all the trimmings too ! [tup] I think a guiness will go well as a washer down, thank-you sir.

Tom that sounds like quite the aniversary trip that you have planned, I don't think you will be to disapointed, the area(s) you will be travelling throuhg are quite beatifull. All the better by train I would think.[;)][^]

I couldn't quite believe the prices for the ocean either, chunnel chuggers aside,Heather and I had wanted to travel it this Sept. Who knows the prices may drop , but I doubt it. I don't even want to attempt to price a run on the Candian at the moment.[:0][xx(]

Hopefully Sir Nick gets back on his feet, must be some bug ![:(][xx(]Thanks for the CNR nostalgia as well, good piece and it gets us all prepped for tomorrow !

Doug Hey wonderfull piece there, pt 2as as good as part one, I particularly loved the shop shots,reminds me of pictures I have seen of stratford Ontario's Big shops,almost like an ant hill with the men swarming over their charges. I hope you do find that diesel letter, should be interesting to read. I was able to finally read part one of the Lingo, it was just as good as part 2. Good candidates for tomorrow's ENCORE ! day Neat to read the story of the great joining of the CP and UP. Also interesting to note that both existing locomotives are in fact replica's !


Pete Thanks for the Deltic info. I had wondered where the name Deltic came from now I know.Its funny railfans in NA swarmed all over Minesota and BC to catch the last living FM's on the C&NW and CP rail. Same went for most of Canda in the late 50's as we still were running mainline steam.lots of US railfans flocked up here to get some final photo's of real steam in real mainline passenger and freight train action.


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Posted by pwolfe on Friday, February 24, 2006 9:33 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and some Steak and Fries, the Fish was lovely yesterday [tup].

Many thanks TOM for the link to the dictionary, Advertise in the Gazette and you get results[yeah] I had a great time reading and added it to my favorites list. it must have taken ages to compile and I think the writer came from the south of England, as he said, the slang terms vary in different parts of the country.

AL Glad you like the British posts. I know I am learning a great deal on N. American railroads and trolleys at the bar, it is with real regrets I was not able to have seen the heyday of the great American passenger trains which you describe so well.The 50s must have been a wonderful time to have an interest in railroads here.

CM3 Thanks for the railroad terms. Any more song titles soon [?].

Rob Thanks for the info on the diesel manufactures.

The FM piece on the opposed piston marine engines reminded me of the English Electric company of the U.K. They also adapted a marine engine with opposed pistons for railway use. The engine had three crankshafts in a DELTA formation, the company developed a locomotive in 1955 for demonstration purposes, the loco did not have a running number but carried the name DELTIC on its sides.

The loco was very American in appearence but with two driving cabs and painted a light blue with three speed whiskers on the fronts.It had two diesel engines powering DC generators to give a total horsepower of 3300HP. It was of the CO-CO wheel arrangement with six traction motors.

Deltic was first used in normal traffic on the West Coast Main Line mainly working expresses between Liverpool and London Euston one reason being that Liverpool was not far from the works where it was built. I can still recall seeing the loco at Rugby as a small kid there was a white overhauled works engineer with the loco.

After it was decided that the WCML was to be electrified Deltic was transferred to the East Coast London to Edinburgh route. this resulted in an order for 22 production deltics. these took over the principle expresses from the famed Gresley Pacifics. they were the first U.K. 100MPH diesel locos and weighed 100 tons

When first built they were numbered D9000-D9021 and allocated to three sheds Finsbury Park (London).Gateshead and Haymarket (Edinburgh). The locos all recieved names the Finsbury Park ones followed the Gresley A3 tradition of being named after winning racehorses, the Gateshead ones after Northern Regiments of the British Army and the Haymarket ones after Scottish Regiments. In the TOPS numbering scheme they became Class 55 and numbered 55001-55022. as delivered they were painted in the two tone green livery. They were later in the BR blue with yellow ends.
They lasted on the main expresses until the arrival of the HSTs in 1976, they saw their last days in service at York depot.

The prototype, which was never owned by BR, was donated to the Science Museum in London It has since moved to the National Railway Museum and at the moment, I believe, is at Shildon. There are six of the production Deltics preserved. A glimpse of one of them can be seen on the York 21 photo Tom posted for me on page 245 just above loco #26020.

The locos had a deep rumbling sound when idleing and the sound at speed I can't describe. They had quite a railfan following in their latter days.

DOUG Just read your post. Many thanks for the Promontory info. It was a real shame the original #119 and Jupiter were scrapped. The Great Western Railway of England done a simular thing by scrapping two original Broad Guage engines in the early 1900s which were kept in Swindon Works[V].
Great article on the cab-forwards. I had mistakenly thought that they were oil-fired.It must have been complicated to get the coal to the firebox[%-)] There were no locos of this type in the U.K. but they look great engines[^].

TOM Thanks for the CNR Nostalgia, sounds a great place for a vacation. not sure about the bears though.
Looks like a great trip you have planned. We will definatly have to do an Amtrak trip soon
[tup]. I hope that Nick and all there are well soon and he is able to join us again. PETE.
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, February 24, 2006 8:12 PM
I'm baaaaaaaaaack - looks like Doug and I Posted within a minute of one another .... so didn't want to check out without acknowledging the two fine Posts!

No comment about the jokes! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhh [swg]

Hope you're able to provide us with some ENCORE! Saturday material and of course Sunday Photo Posting Day![tup][tup][tup]

Appreciate the round - but there's no one at the bar to enjoy it!<groan>

By the by, an Email was sent to you today.[tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo

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