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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:57 AM


We open at 6 AM on Monday (all time zones!). (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]

SUNDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

The bar is CLOSED on SUNDAY, however it is Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Today is the 10th Month Anniversary of ”Our” Place! Thanx to all, past & present, who made it possible![tup][tup][tup]


Daily Wisdom

The only reason I need these gloves is ‘cause of my hands.
(yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear: Santa Fe arrives Tuesday! This will be the THEME for the DAY!

* Weekly Calendar:

Wednesday Pike Perspective’s Day!
Thursday Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and – ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 07:01:11 (243) Saturday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 07:40:10 (243) Inclusive Post,etc.

(3) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 08:23:28 (243) Inclusive Post, etc.

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 08:48:30 (243) ENCORE! Saturday – Fallen Flag, KCS

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 10:59:21 (243) Acknowledgments & Commentary

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 11:49:34 (243) ENCORE! Saturday – My trip to Lillooet

(7) pwolfe Pete Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 12:20:06 (243) Inclusive Post, etc.

(8) West Coast S Dave Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 12:42:16 (243) Saturday visit!

(9) pwolfe Pete Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 13:05:21 (244) etc.

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 13:29:07 (244) reply to pwolfe – Kingston Trio

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 13:40:14 (244) reply to West Coast S

(12) West Coast S Dave Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 14:36:46 (244) Saturday vist!

(13) passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 14:45:49 (244) KCS streamlined obs cars

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 15:10:30 (244) Acknowledgments, etc.

(15) passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 16:24:20 (244) KCS streamlined sleepers

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 19:48:34 (244) ENCORE! Saturday – Hotels along the W&OD

(17) passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 20:14:37 (244) Inclusive Post & KCS coaches

(18) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 20:29:17 (244) Well done Post!

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 20:58:59 (244) Acknowledgments, etc.



NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
. . . . . Double Features, all of the time . . . . .

. . . Sunday, February 12th thru 18th: Bound for Glory (1976) starring: David Carradine, Ronny Cox & Melinda Dillon – and – Emperor of the North Pole (1973) starring: Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine & Keith Carradine.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 12, 2006 5:14 AM
More pix from Train Wrecks by Robert C. Reed

This New Haven locomotive lies helpless in the tidal swamp near Kingston, R.I., after colliding with the wreck of a freight train whose boiler had exploded just minutes before. Since the crew of the freight were all killed in the explosion, no one could go ahead to flag the Cape Codder. The accident happened on June 26, 1926.


The derailment and collision of the Penn Flyer at Fort Wayne, Ind., on Aug 13, 1911. Just after the Pennsylvania Penn Flyer derailed, another freight came along and plowed into the wreckage. Four were killed and fifty-seven injured in the collision.


In a blinding snowstorm near Coburg, Ind. In 1886 these double-heading B&O engines smacked into the rear of another train. The men at the rear of the tender are carrying a fireman who was killed.


Severe telescoping was typical in rear-end collisions. This one happened February 27, 1917, at Mt. Union Pa., when a stalled Pennsylvania passenger train was struck from the rear by a fast freight. Twenty people were killed by the telescoping of the all steel sleeping car Bellwood.


One of the most disastrous telescope accidents of all was the one at Mud Run, Pa., Oct. 10, 1888. Sixty-four people on an excursion of the Total Abstinence Union were killed in the gruesome telescope of these rickety Lehigh Valley Railroad carriages. The train stopped briefly at Mud Run when it was rammed from behind by a speeding express.


When the bottom fell out of this old truss bridge near Calvary, KY., the engine, tender, and two cars of the Louisville & Nashville fell like flat stones into a dry creek bed. A lone coach teetered precariously atop a stone abutment.


[:I] A lawyer runs a stop sign and gets pulled over by a Sheriff's Deputy. He thinks that he is smarter than the Deputy because he is sure that he has a better education. He decides to prove this to himself and have some fun at the deputy's expense.
Deputy says, "License and registration, please."
Lawyer says, "What for?"
Deputy says, "You didn't come to a complete stop at the stop sign .."
Lawyer says, "I slowed down, and no one was coming."
Deputy says, "You still didn't come to a complete stop. License and registration, please."
Lawyer says, "What's the difference?"
Deputy says, "The difference is, you have to come to a complete stop, that's the law. License and registration, please!"
Lawyer says, "If you can show me the legal difference between slow down and stop, I'll give you my license and registration and you give me the ticket, if not you let me go and no ticket."
Deputy says, "Exit your vehicle, sir."
At this point, the deputy takes out his nightstick and starts beating the ever-loving crap out of the lawyer and says, "Do you want me to stop or just slow down?" [:I]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 12, 2006 5:08 AM
Good morning Tom and folks, and happy 10th anniversary! WOW!

My theme today is train wrecks and disasters .... just 'cuz. Here they are!

The following pictures were scanned from the book Train Wrecks by Robert C. Reed.

This is the first photograph ever taken of a railroad wreck. Mr. L. Wright of Pawtucket, R.I. snapped it within minutes of the accident which occurred in 1853. Fourteen passengers were killed in this head-on collision


The Chatsworth, Ill. Wreck of Aug. 10,1877 illustrates the many horrors of rail travel during the last half of the nineteenth century. Eighty-two passengers on a gala Toledo & Peoria excursion train were killed when a small fire-weakened bridge over a culvert collapsed under the weight of the engine. Nine wooden coaches were crushed into a horrible mass.


The New York Central’s Lake Shore LTD, sped around a curve at Little Falls, N.Y., jumped the track, and plowed into a rock wall. Thirty persons were killed in this crash on April 19, 1940.


Rounding a curve too fast in the Chicago Yards, this Pennsylvania locomotive and tender jumped the tracks on Sept. 16, 1941. Notice how the trucks of the tender remained on the track.



A dispatcher’s error caused this disastrous head-on wreck on the Maine Central at Veazie, Me., in 1895. Three engines and two baggage cars were demolished.


Staged wrecks drew thousands of spectators at fairs, and expositions around the turn of the century. The crowds were thrilled by the sight as two iron monsters charged toward each other destined for disaster. (collection of the Library of Congress)


[:I] One year, a particularly harried husband decided to buy his mother-in-law a cemetery plot as a Christmas gift. The next year, he didn't buy her a gift. When she asked him why, he replied, "Well, you still haven't used the gift I bought you last year!" [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 11, 2006 8:58 PM
Evenin' Gents!

I see Lars over there chompin' on a good looking steak![swg] Al has been in again (and again!) with more on the KCS

Lars Take it EASY with the shoveling, man! Hope to see ya tomorrow, but if not, we'll know why! "Oh my aching back!" [swg]<grin> And by the by, I'd love to be in that snow with ya, Mate!

I'm a bit "talked out" this day, but just want one and all who Posted today to know that I appreciate your efforts![tup][tup][tup]

Leon the Night Man has the bar! Boris Ring the bell - drinks all aro0und on the Proprietor!

See ya at Sunday Photo Posting Day - AND - the 10th Month Anniversary of "Our" Place!!

Nite![zzz]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, February 11, 2006 8:29 PM
Hello Tom and Gents at the Bar!

Been a rotten day where I am - wind, snow and getting colder. Spent quite a bit of time shoveling what I had previously shoveled! Getting far too old for this stuff - where are my son's when I need them[?] Oh yeah - doing the same things at their houses![swg] So, you want some snow, Tom[?] C'mon back to the Island!

Didn't know if I'd get a chance to log in today - power flucutations and the like have kept things rather uncertain. Anyway, haven't really spent too much time browsing, so I'm a bit behind the curve. Noticed that your "theme" for ENCORE! Saturday somehow got twisted into the Kansas City Southern!!! Never a dull moment at the "hit 'n miss bar 'n grill" is what I say!

Ok, barkeep - here's a twenty for the guys to spend as thye wish on the delights behind the bar! Let's crack a few of those bottles back there and put out the ice where we can dig in! [swg][tup][yeah] Man, I could use a stiff "belt" of whatever will warm my innerds.

My contribution for the day is rather "new" - but then again, so am I to this thread:

An ENCORE! from 16 Jan 2006, page 221:

QUOTE: Caveat: These ramblings are not necessarily in order of events, but rather a free-flow of my thoughts and notes at the time of preparation. Therefore, it will not be uncommon for the reader to experience a back and forth reference to time and places as I proceed through this effort.

The Staten Island Rapid Transit (S.I.R.T.) – Part One:

At the beginning of the 20th Century, all the Boroughs of New York City had elevated and subway service with the exception of the Borough of Richmond (Staten Island). Over 100 years back, the Staten Island Rapid Transit operated a surface rail system with small steam engines and passenger cars taking people from one end of the island to the other (about 15 miles from St. George to Tottenville, the southernmost point in New York State). There were also branches emanating from St. George along the northern shore of the island and a parallel line to a popular summer spot, South Beach. The S.I.R.T. joined in partnership with the B&O, the nation’s oldest railroad, which also provided a valuable freight link across the island to New Jersey.

With the introduction of trolleys to the island in 1895, the S.I.R.T. suffered a loss in ridership, throwing it into bankruptcy. When purchased by the B&O, ferry service to Manhattan was also included. A legacy somewhat lost in the history of the rather famous “Staten Island Ferry.”

There were several well laid plans to link the island with the Borough of Brooklyn by tunnel. In 1925, the idea was to bring the BRT subway to Staten Island by way of a tunnel under The Narrows. Politics got in the way, funding arguments ensued, and the idea eventually faded into the file cabinet drawers of history.

Time and smart management practices, along with a population “spurt” helped the S.I.R.T. through some rough years and it remained a viable mass transit like long after trolleys disappeared from the streets of Staten Island. However, a fine bus system, replaced the trolleys and eventually helped lead to the demise of two of the three branches. Today, the link between St. George and Tottenville still exists.

The ending of passenger service on two of the three branches was primarily due to the actions of the New York City Board of Transportation. This body controlled all of the transit in the City with the exception of the S.I.R.T. and a few other surface lines. With the introduction of 12-cent fares, generous transfers and combination travel between bus and subway, the S.I.R.T. simply couldn’t compete. In 1953, the north shore and South Beach lines were discontinued.


Sorry if I have failed to acknowledge anyone, I'll try to make it up next time!

Set 'em up again, Tom and I'll take one of those sirloins if you please - made it medium rare and thick! A nice frosty mug of Piels should do it. Thanx![tup]

Okay boys - I'll stick around for a bit, until the wife calls and says, "Are you finished with that THING yet[?]"[swg]


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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, February 11, 2006 8:14 PM
Good Evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Tom you sure brought back memories with the Kingston Trio. Remember seeing them in the early 1960's at Forbes Air Force Base in the NCO club. I was on TDY at nearby Olathe Naval Air Station and we received invitation to their NCO club for the event. Always liked the MTA but will never forget Tom Dooley.

For ENCORE SATURDAY am adding the KCS Coaches

KANSAS CITY
SOUTHERN Streamlined Coaches
By Al

The first streamlined lightweight coaches owned by the Kansas City Southern were four 76-revenue seat coaches built by Pullman Standard at their Worcester, Massachusetts plant and delivered in May 1937. These were so called American Flyer design type coaches and would be the only cars of this type operated by the Kansas City Southern. The cars were purchased for service in the heavyweight FLYING CROW between Kansas City and Port Arthur. Three of the cars were numbered and named with the fourth numbered only. The numbered only car was a spare for the other three that were assigned one per consist in the Kansas City – Port Arthur trains. The names for these coaches were selected for online communities.

76 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard (Worcester) May 1937 (Built for and assigned to Kansas City – Port Arthur FLYING CROW service)

230 HEAVENER

231 DE QUEEN

232 NOEL

233 (Unnamed)

Pullman Standard built and delivered five-streamlined 74-revenue seat Coaches in August 1940 for assignment to the new SOUTHERN BELLE between Kansas City and New Orleans. The undulating profile of the Kansas City Southern at this time still required three sets of equipment to maintain daily service. One each of the new numbered and named cars were assigned to the SOUTHERN BELLE trains between New Orleans and Kansas City. The two extra coaches were assigned to the Southern Belle both north and southbound overnight between New Orleans and Shreveport, Louisiana. The new SOUTHERN BELLE was inaugurated on September 2, 1940. Each of the initial consists featured a streamlined Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office 12 Crew Dormitory Car, one of the new 74 revenue seat streamlined coaches, a heavyweight streamlined 10 section 3 double bedroom Pullman (between New Orleans and Shreveport initially) and a streamlined Dining Parlor Lounge Observation. A third sleeping car was added in February 1941 and the sleeping cars then operated as through cars between Kansas City and New Orleans. Two additional sleeping cars were added in April 1941 for overnight service between New Orleans and Shreveport. The SOUTHERN BELLE was a four-car train between Shreveport and Kansas City and six-car train south of Shreveport.

74 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard August 1940 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHERN BELLE)

234 PITTSBURG

235 TEXARKANA

237 ALEXANDRIA

238 BATON ROUGE

239 JOPLIN

Following WW II the Kansas City Southern embarked on a major rebuilding of their mainline eliminating much of the rolling profile with fills and cuts. They also eased many of the sharper curves along the line. This resulted in a speedup of both passenger and freight trains. The result of the increased speed meant that the SOUTHERN BELLE now only required two sets of equipment to maintain daily service. The postwar modernization of the SOUTHERN BELLE was accomplished with the purchase of eight 14 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars for service in the SOUTHERN BELLE and nameless 9-10 a postwar streamliner that used many of the cars from the prewar SOUTHERN BELLE. The SOUTHERN BELLE trains each carried a single through 14 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car between New Orleans and Kansas City and a second 14-4 was carried by each SOUTHERN BELLE between New Orleans and Shreveport. Unnamed 9-10 carried one through 14-4 between New Orleans and Kansas City. The remaining two 14-4 Sleeping cars operated in the FLYING CROW except at Christmas time when they were replaced by heavyweights and the streamlined 14-4 sleeping cars were assigned as extras to the SOUTHERN BELLE.
The 64 revenue seat divided coaches built by American Car & Foundry for the postwar SOUTHERN BELLE and delivered in November, 1948 were divided into a 24 seat Black section with a pair of restrooms and a 38 seat White section with a pair of restrooms. Both of these cars 239 KANSAS CITY and 240 TEXARKANA were double vestibule cars and operated as through cars between New Orleans and Kansas City. In addition four 60-revenue seat Coaches were delivered at the same time between November 1948 – January 1949. These were assigned to the SOUTHERN BELLE one per consist as through cars between Kansas City and New Orleans and a second operated overnight between Shreveport and New Orleans. These cars were 241 SHREVEPORT, 242 ALEXANDRIA, 243 BATON ROUGE, and 244 NEW ORLEANS. An order for six additional 60-revenue seat Coaches was received in June 1956 from American Car & Foundry with numbers only 245 – 250. These were assigned to the SOUTHERN BELLE, FLYING CROW and nameless 9-10.

62 REVENUE SEAT DIVIDED COACHES American Car & Foundry November 1948 – January 1949 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHERN BELLE)

239 KANSAS CITY

240 TEXARKANA

60 REVENUE SEAT COACHES American Car & Foundry November 1948 – January 1949 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHERN BELLE)

241 SHREVEPORT

242 ALEXANDRIA

243 BATON ROUGE

244 NEW ORLEANS

60 REVENUE SEAT COACHES American Car & Foundry June 1956 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHERN BELLE, FLYING CROW, 9-10)

243 – 250

Beginning in November 1962 the KCS renumbered all active lightweight streamlined coaches operated by the railroad as they came due for major maintenance. All named coaches lost their names as they were renumbered as follows:

NOVEMBER 1962

251 originally 239 KANSAS CITY

253 originally 244 NEW ORLEANS

254 originally 243 BATON ROUGE

DECEMBER 1962

252 originally 241 SHREVEPORT

AUGUST 1963

257 originally 236 TEXARKANA

258 originally 238 PORT ARTHUR

SEPTEMBER 1963

255 originally 234 PITTSBURG

OCTOBER 1963

256 originally 235 JOPLIN

DECEMBER 1963

259 originally 237 BEAUMONT

JANUARY 1964

260 originally 242 ALEXANDRIA

JUNE 1964

261 originally 247

263 originally 248

OCTOBER 1964

262 originally 246

NOVEMBER 1964

264 originally 245

JUNE 1965

265 originally 250

266 originally 249

The final order of coaches delivered to the Kansas City Southern came from Pullman Standard in 1965. These were the last new coaches built for a class one railroad other than commuter cars before Amtrak assumed intercity operations of the nations passenger trains. The new Pullman Standard built cars delivered in June – July 1965 were 72 revenue seat cars and were assigned to service in 9-10 and the SOUTHERN BELLE.
The paint scheme of the passenger equipment of the Kansas City Southern was an overall dark green with a silver roof and yellow and red accent stripes at the bottom of the car sides. The lettering was yellow. In many color photos of these trains the green appears almost as if it’s black.

72 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard June-July 1965 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHERN BELLE and nameless 9-10)

270 – 279

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:48 PM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #7

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this out (unknown origin – found at flea market; circa 1920’s) first Posted on page 134

HOTELS AND BOARDING HOUSES in the BLUE RIDGE MOUNTAINS
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .along the
Washington and Old Dominion Railway

Name ……….……………….. Terms and other information

Bluemont, Va. ……….…… Located on mountain overlooking the Loudoun Valley;
… J.M. Moreland .………… modern conveniences; excellent board. Rates on application.

… H. Rathbone Smith ……. Accommodations for several guests on large estate located
……………………………….. on mountain; meals at owner’s residence close to main
……………………………….. house; reasonable rates; references required.

… A. L. Longerbeam ……….. Best country board; terms moderate.

… Mrs. Millard Patterson …… Excellent board; chicken, milk, fresh eggs; home garden.
……………………………….. Terms $2.00 per day’ $10.00 and $12.00 per week.

… “The Heights” ……………. Modern conveniences; splendid home cooking.
… Mrs. T. P. Simpson ………. Terms moderate.
… Proprietress

… “The Loudoun” …………… Large lawn; tennis. Comfortable rooms, porches, etc.
… J. C. Beatty, Proprietor …… Terms: Single rooms, $15.00 per week; double rooms,
............................................. $12.00 per person per week.

Round Hill, Va.
… “Baldwin House” …………. Terms on application.

… F. P. Lowe ………………… Near town. Terms on application.

… E. L. Donohoe ……………. Terms on application.

… Fannie Wynkoop …………. Terms on application.

… Maud Wynkoop ………….. Terms on application.

… T. W. Best .……………….. Near town. Terms on application.

… Mollie Copeland .………… Terms on application.

… Edw. Finnell .…………….. Terms on application.

Purcellville, Va.
… “The Bell Inn ……………. Modern conveniences; plenty shade;
… Mrs. M. H. Beal …………. Lawn; garden vegetables. Terms $3.00
… Proprietress ...……………. per day; $30.00 per month.

… “The White Cottage” ……. Near town. Excellent table.
… Miss Rebecca Lloyd …….. Terms on application.
… Proprietress

… Mrs. E. Shoemaker ……… Near town. Large shady lawn; fresh
… R. F. D. No. 2 …………… vegetables. Terms on application.

… Mrs. Alice Corder ………. Near station. Modern conveniences.
.……………………………… Terms on application.

Hamilton, Va. ...………….. Large shady lawn; fresh vegetables;
… Mrs. J. W. Chamberlin ….. milk; cream; eggs. Modern conveniences;
. ……………………………… excellent table. Terms $10.00 to $12.00 per week.

Leesburg, Va. ..………….. Located in business section. A delightful place
… “Leesburg Inn” …………. Spend day and week-end vacations. Special Sunday
……………………………… chicken dinners.

… Mrs. Fulton …………….. Near town. Modern country home. Delightful meals;
.…………………………….. terms on application.

Electric Trains leave from Rossyln Terminal Station (Washington), located South End Key Bridge, on Frequent Schedules


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:24 PM
Good Afternoon once again Tom. Time for another CR and a round for the house.

KANSAS CITY
SOUTHERN Streamlined Sleeping Cars
by AL

The KCS owned a total of thirteen semi-streamlined or fully streamlined sleeping cars.
On September 2, 1940 the Kansas City Southern inaugurated the SOUTHERN BELLE between Kansas City and New Orleans by way of Shreveport. When inaugurated the new diesel powered trains required three sets of equipment to maintain daily service in both directions. A sample consist of the SOUTHERN BELLE follows as inaugurated.

21 EMC E3A 2,000 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

64 Baggage 30' Railway Post Office 9 Crew Dormitory Car

235 JOPLIN 74 Revenue Seat Divided Coach

237 ALEXANDRIA 74 Revenue Seat Divided Coach (New Orleans - Shreveport)

SILOAM SPRINGS
Semi-Streamlined Heavyweight 10 Section 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (New Orleans - Shreveport)

KANSAS CITY 2-Day Room Stand Up Lunch Counter 24 seat Dining 17 seat Parlor Lounge Observation

The SOUTHERN BELL began service providing sleeping car service only between New Orleans and Shreveport as this was the overnight part of the run in both directions. The first two semi streamlined heavyweight 10 Section 3 Double Bedroom sleeping cars for the inaugural of the SOUTHERN BELLE were SILOAM SPRINGS rebuilt from 12-1 McBURNEY and SULPHUR SPRINGS rebuilt from 12-1 McLARTY. Both of these cars were rebuilt and semi-streamlined by Pullman Calumet in July 1940.
In February 1941 a third 12-1 was rebuilt and semi-streamlined by Pullman Calumet for SOUTHERN BELLE service emerging as a 10 Section 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car. This car originally McALISTERVILLE was renamed BARKSDALE after rebuilding for KCS service. With the addition of BARKSDALE sleeping car service was extended to Kansas City from New Orleans.
In April 1941 two more semi-streamlined heavyweight sleeping cars arrived from rebuilding at Pullman Calumet to 10 Section 3 double Bedroom Sleeping cars with the names STATE CAPITAL and MENA. These were originally heavyweight 12-1 sleeping cars McELHERAN and McKULLO respectively. This gave the SOUTHERN BELLE one sleeping cars for Kansas City - New Orleans service daily in each direction with another added to both the northbound and southbound consist between Shreveport and New Orleans.
After the Second World War the KCS undertook a major rebuilding of their track, signals and physical plant. The result of this was that when new postwar SOUTHERN BELLES entered service in January 1949 only two sets of equipment were necessary to maintain daily service. The KCS purchased eight new lightweight streamlined 14 roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from Pullman Standard that were delivered in May - June 1948. These cars were assigned two to each consist of the new SOUTHERN BELLES. One was a through Kansas City - New Orleans Sleeper the other was a Kansas City - Port Arthur, Texas Sleeping car that traveled between Kansas City and Shreveport in the SOUTHERN BELLE. Numbered KCS trains 101 and 102 carried the Port Arthur - Kansas City Sleeping cars on the six-hour trip between Port Arthur and Shreveport.
Another set of trains assigned a pair of the new 14-4 sleeping cars were 9-10 the nameless Kansas City - New Orleans counterpart to the SOUTHERN BELLE. Numbers 9-10 operated on the prewar schedule of the SOUTHERN BELLE and only carried Sleeping cars initially between New Orleans and Shreveport overnight. The two remaining sleeping cars were assigned to a joint MP-KCS operation between Texarkana and Hot Springs on the MP and Kansas City and Texarkana on KCS 9-10.
When KCS discontinued 101 and 102 between Port Arthur and Shreveport 9-10 received through sleeping cars between New Orleans and Kansas City. Two of these 14-4 sleeping cars went to Amtrak three others went to the Long Island and three went to the NdeM.

14 ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard May - June 1948 Plan: 4153 Lot: 6795 (Built for and assigned to KCS services described above)

ARTHUR STILLWELL

COLONEL FORDYCE

HARVEY COUCH

JOB EDSON

LEONOR LOREE

STUART KNOTT

WILLIAM BUCHANAN

WILLIAM EDENBORN

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:10 PM
G'day Gents!

I'm totally exasperated with these "techie" JOs (you figure it out!) and the web sites that make you wait 'n wait 'n wait - then guess what[?] Disconnect! Arggggggggggggggggh.[tdn] Efficiency, dependability and reliability has gone the way of sending jobs overseas![tdn][tdn]

Okay - regrouped and ready to make some acknowledgments![swg]

Dave Your optimism should be bottled and sold![tup] Unfortunately, it all isn't quite as simple as being optimistic. The numbers do not lie. We are in fact way down and when reliable guys drop out of sight - that takes it toll on MOI! Check the numbers of the Posts included in the SUMMARIES! That pace is rather exhausting and simply cannot be maintained. I see the day when my time will be drastically reduced.

We had some guys who really were "promising" but for the life of me just cannot understand where they disappeared to - and why. Speaking of jlampke John and jdonald Don - both really came across as mature adults with a good grip on what we do 'round here. They seemed to be enjoying it all - then, gonezo.

Don't want to turn this into a narrative of "Who was who, and where did they go[?]" But it seems to me that if we attracted guys in the past, why not now[?] I totally agree with your assessment regarding the age groups - and yes, there surely are exceptions - but by and large, who needs THAT crap![?]

Okay - here's a great case in point. Our friend Al fresh from a sick bed and office commitments stops by to drop a Post on us. He may not always be "on point," nor "aware" of the surroundings [swg] - but he takes the time to do it. That's precisely what it takes - is the willingness to "do it!"

Thanx for the round, Dave and more importantly, your continued support. We surely miss those PM sessions of days gone by. And - speaking of Pix - hurry up! I'm really, really running out of material and surely could use some help. Thanx to Rob 'n Doug we've had some wunnerful Pix on Sunday Photo Posting Days!, but we cannot let those guys shoulder the load indefinitely.

Also - I'm very appreciative of the efforts put forth by everyone who has sent me Email Pix - I'm simply in hopes that we can muster up some direct input from other guys.[swg]

Hey Al nice segway into the KCS ENCORE! Saturday Post of mine. Any chance of YOU providing some ENCORE material[?] This is surely the day for it. Glad to see ya and thanx for the round![tup]

Gotta get back to 'puter business - I think the answer is to take this thing and fling it as far as the wind and my force behind it can carry it. Order a new one and be done with the BS!<growl> This is a software issue - not at all the fault of the people who manufactured my laptop - and trying to get software "wonks" to respond is like trying to pull Hen's teeth!<grin>

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, February 11, 2006 2:45 PM
Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Just dropped by from the office for lunch then have to go back.

KANSAS CITY
SOUTHERN Streamlined Observations
by AL

KCS received three streamlined Observations from Pullman Standard for their new diesel powered SOUTHERN BELLE trains that began service September 2, 1940 between Kansas City and New Orleans. Each of these three Observations 54 KANSAS CITY, 55 SHREVEPORT and 56 NEW ORLEANS featured two Parlor staterooms for daytime use a stand-up Lunch Counter Kitchen Pantry 24 seat Dining Room 9 seat Parlor and 8 seat Lounge Observation. The Parlor seating was sold between Kansas City and Shreveport the daytime portion of the trip. The Parlor seating was used as lounge seating on the overnight Shreveport - New Orleans leg of the trip. Initially when the trains were inaugurated in 1940 three sets of equipment were necessary to maintain daily service in each direction.
By 1948 track improvements and a faster schedule permitted two train sets to maintain daily service.
Two of the three prewar streamlined Observations were rebuilt for the postwar SOUTHERN BELLE and each received a new name. The 54 KANSAS CITY was renamed 54 GOOD CHEER and 55 the former SHREVEPORT became 55 HOSPITALITY. The interiors were rebuilt to 34 seat Tavern Lounge Bar 20 Seat Lounge Observations. The third prewar car 56 NEW ORLEANS retained its original interior and was assigned to a connecting rail service between Shreveport and Port Arthur.

2 PARLOR DAYROOMS STAND-UP LUNCH COUNTER KITCHEN PANTRY 24 SEAT DINING 9 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 8 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow - Tailed) Pullman Standard August 1940 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHERN BELLES)

54 KANSAS CITY

55 SHREVEPORT

56 NEW ORLEANS

In August 1960 the KCS received four-used streamlined Budd built Observations from the NYC. The cars were delivered to the KCS with their original interiors intact; this consisted of 22 seat Tavern Lounge Bar 31 seat Lounge Observation. After painting the Budd stainless steel cars to match the other KCS cars they received the following numbers. The cars were then assigned to the SOUTHERN BELLE (2) and to unnamed 9-10 the secondary Kansas City - New Orleans trains.

44 originally NYC 48

45 originally NYC 49

46 originally NYC 50

47 originally NYC 51

All four cars interiors were remodeled between February 1964 and November 1965 with a 8 seat Lunch Counter and 32-seat Tavern lounge Observation. Each cars was renumbered as follows as it was remodeled.

KCS 43 ex KCS 44 originally NYC 48

KCS 42 ex KCS 45 originally NYC 49

KCS 40 ex KCS 46 originally NYC 50

KCS 41 ex KCS 47 originally NYC 51

In 1968 the KCS discontinued unnamed trains 9 -10 and the two observations assigned to those trains were held in reserve for the SOUTHERN BELLE. When the SOUTHERN BELLE itself was discontinued in 1970 the four cars were sold.

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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, February 11, 2006 2:36 PM
Tom...I'm considering some night classes so as to gain the know how for transfering my extensive 35mm collection to disc, dont have the proper equiptment or the major $$$ for a pro to do, best of all my employer covers educational expenses. As for my S projects, i'm considering some articles and photos, though many in my scale talk about this or that, very few do heavy steam bashing, content with improper models, I hope to change this just a bit and dispell some of the myths of S in the process..S is indeed a ongoing challenge, many a time when fustration sets in makes me miss HO thats the time to step back and take a breather to regroup.

I have material that would keep Sunday photo going for the next 20 years, just have to get off my duff and get high tech so as to share with you all!!!

I don't see "Our Place" ceasing to exist anytime soon, true, it hurts in the near term when one is absent for a extended period, but the core group, not the wannabe's and single posters will continue to provide support and direction. The question in my mind is "how dedicated would new members be?" Could we maintain continunity? My general observation and experience has borne this out, is that most have no interest in classic railroading, this seems to be commom among the 20-30 year old age groups. Not to slam all with these ages, but your life experiences, formative years and first exposure to railroading and how these initial experiences impacted you is what makes us affecinados of classic trains. Let's be honest, today's railroading is too mundane and corporate, We at "Our Place" recall with our postings and shared interest the way it was.

As always we will survive, Lunch for all on my expense account today, drinks after 1600 hrs.

Dave


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:40 PM
Back again, Gents!

Having a Dickens of a time with my CD-ROM drawer (tray) - it doesn't want to cooperate while failing to open when the button is pressed. Long story - tried virtually everything suggested by "experts," and now have resorted to some online help in a two-way conversation with a "tech." Takes time just to get one "up" on the line - then lots of trial and error, etc. Wunnerful way to spend a Saturday, eh[?]

Good so see ya, West Coast S Dave and it does appear that you have become a Saturday customer. So be it - the idea is to be dependable, as much as your private and work lives permit![swg]

Don't know how many of the pages you've been able to "process" since your last visit - but we are experiencing quite an increase in volume and quality but from a far lesser number of contributors than in past months. The problem with that is we now are heavily dependent on a few to keep things on an even keel. Whereas in the past, we had numbers to draw from so that if two or more guys were away for awhile, no sweat, others would pick up the slack. Don't have that luxury any more and we aren't getting new blood. Not a good sign for the future and health of this place.

Have a question for ya: When do you think we'll see some Pix from you showing us your S-scale/gauge "stuff"[?][?] Would be a "natural" for Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Okay - gotta run - the "tech" is back .....

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:29 PM
G'day Gents!

Good to see some activity 'round the place on a Saturday! I'll get to the acknowledgments a bit later on - but first, this is for Pete

QUOTE: M.T.A. Lyrics
From The Kingston Trio at Large
Date: 07/01/1959
Jacqueline Steiner/Bess Hawes
Spoken:
These are the times that try men's souls. In the course of our nation's history, the people of Boston have rallied bravely whenever the rights of men have been threatened. Today, a new crisis has arisen. The Metropolitan Transit Authority, better known as the M.T.A., is attempting to levy a burdensome tax on the population in the form of a subway fare increase. Citizens, hear me out! This could happen to you!

(Eight bar guitar, banjo introduction)

Well, let me tell you of the story of a man named Charley
on a tragic and fateful day.
He put ten cents in his pocket, kissed his wife and family,
went to ride on the M.T.A.

Chorus:
Well, did he ever return? No, he never returned and
his fate is still unknown.
(What a pity! Poor ole Charlie. Shame and scandal.
He may ride forever. Just like Paul Revere.)
He may ride forever 'neath the streets of Boston.
He's the man who never returned.

Charlie handed in his dime at the Kendall Square Station
and he changed for Jamaica Plain.
When he got there the conductor told him, "One more nickel."
Charlie couldn't get off of that train.
(Chorus)
Now, all night long Charlie rides through the station,
crying, "What will become of me?!!
How can I afford to see my sister in Chelsea
or my cousin in Roxbury?"
(Chorus)
Charlie's wife goes down to the Sculley Square Station
every day at quarter past two,
And through the open window she hands Charlie a sandwich
as the train comes rumblin' through.
(Chorus)
Now, you citizens of Boston, don't you think it's a scandal
how the people have to pay and pay?
Fight the fare increase! Vote for George O'Brien!
Get poor Charlie off the M. T. A.
(Chorus)
He's the man who never returned.
He's the man who never returned.
Ain't you Charlie?


Know that song[?] you ask! You betchaboots - big fan of the Kingston Trio - they were "something else" in the 50s and early 60s. The music back then was called "Folk" and many of their songs remain "standards" to this day.

Glad you asked!

I'll be baaaaaaaaack - having some 'puter problems!!<frown>

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by pwolfe on Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:05 PM
Tom Just popped in again

Was looking on your photo album after reading your excellent Encore about the RDC trip to Lillooet, A real shame that they dont run today you were indeed lucky to have the chance to go on such a great journey.
While I was doing this, on a programme on BBC radio, a song by the Kingston Trio was played about a man trapped on the Boston Subway it was called MTA or The Man Who Never Returned( the radio faded at the wrong time). Do you know this Song[?].

Always good to see you DAVE [tup] and good words too.

Another good joke DOUG[:)] PETE.
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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:42 PM
Morning Tom and the gang...Round of MJB and a basket of those excellent Mentor Village Bakery Blueberry Muffins if you please...

Tom.. Encore, encore!! Though my visits are not as numerous as in the past, I look forward to engaging with the group whenever I can aquire some computer time. I agree that the "hit and run" mentality has no place among this forum. Common courtesy dictates that that we with common interest acknowledge the efforts of others..

Al, Rob, Pete, and all who frequent "Our Place" the quality in our topics is reflected by work such as yours, Tom..I can't overstate the thanks we owe you for the effort you put forth maintaining and moderating this site for the pleasure of others.

Excellent fallen flag review and last Sunday looked its usual best. Enjoyed the traction review, Al excellent job on the passenger side. As for myself, I did something this week i've not done in a long time, attended a rare book and paper show, some of the finds included:: A complete set of McKeen Motor Car drawings ( For a future S model) and a massive 30X40 format binded erection drawing published by the Sacramento Shops in 1922. More austure was set of books covering the Scaramento Northern (drat!! no Pacific Electric to be found!!). These erection drwaings are the actual ones used by shop forces to assemble steam power, a usefull modeling tool if they can be found, this is my second set so i'm making progress, twelve more to go!!

Well, thought i'd contribute my 2 cents this fine Saturday, I shall return when time permit.


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Posted by pwolfe on Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:20 PM
Hi Tom and all.

I'll save my free pint for later if I may and a cup of the Excellent coffee and a Bacon sandwich please.

Tom The track gang are not too bad really and I promise not to teach them any Rugby songs.Thanks for the photo of Saltley station. I believe the building on the right is one of the locomotive roundhouses, the diesel shed was behind the photographer's right shoulder. The bridge in the background is still there but it would be very hard to know that the station was ever there now.

I have tried to post an encore but have failed miserably but I very much enjoy the ones that are posted and I must agree with Rob and Doug about the quality in Our Place of late. The Railroads Of Yesteryear are a great success with a great article sparking off
some very knowledgeable follow ups, and can I say again how helpful the maps are to some not from these parts
MAYBE we are not getting so many in the bar but the ones that are there are drinking more.

ROB Have you a photo of the site of the old incline[?].
The cost of restoring the old equipment is stunning and I dont suppose it will get any cheaper [:(]. A new barn is money well spent though. The Severn Valley Railway has built a car shed which was very expensive but it will extend the time the cars have between overhauls. Some of the cars are ex L.N.E.R teak bodied cars which have been restored to immaculate condition and it would have been a pity to have them have to kept outside all the time.

DOUG Thanks for the E-Mail can you let me know if you get my reply [tup].

As it has passed noon I might try a pint now to celebrate being released from the shopping( it wont last long)[:-,] PETE.
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 11, 2006 11:49 AM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

first Posted on page 143

QUOTE: Here's a Post from "my" past with another thread that may be of interest here. Definitely a tale of Classic Trains! [tup]

I don't know why, but as of late, I've been thinking about an RDC (Rail Diesel Car) trip I took with my wife and a couple of friends back in 1999.

We were visiting Vancouver, BC and on what was supposed to be an "off day" - (they do what they want, we do what we want), I looked into booking a trip aboard BC Rail's "Cariboo Prospector" (that IS the way they spelled it) from North Vancouver to Lillooet, BC. The round trip was to take the entire next day with a 7 AM departure and return at 9 PM.

When the other couple found out what I had in mind, they too wanted to come along. So, I booked the four tickets and off we went.

The consist awaiting us that chilly March morning was four RDC's - from my pictures, it appears that we had two RDC3's and two RDC1's. The livery was the blue/white striped with blue red heralds.

For those who may not know, an RDC3 was designed as a combined passenger, baggage-express, and mail car. Over the years, BC Rail (formerly Pacific Great Eastern Railway) had these cars "rehabed" to provide a food preparation area in the baggage area. The coach portions were outfitted to include swing down tray tables (similar but larger that what the airlines use) along with much more comfortable seating than I recall when commuting aboard the Boston & Maine's RDC's back in the 1960's.

The RDC1 was initially designed to seat 89 passengers. BC Rail's version appeared to be about the same, but with the upgraded seating.

Our seats were in the RDC3 for both legs of the journey.

That morning was a gloomy, low overhanging cloudy start to the day. As we wound our way out of North Vancouver and followed the route to Squamish, I was a bit saddened that my wife would not get the beautiful view of the inlets off of Howe Sound. Really a picturesque place to see ......

From the train at Squamish we could see the industry of the area along with a couple of steam loco's (and I'm sure many of you will provide commentary on those!!). As I recall, only a relative handful boarded and off we continued to Whistler, gaining elevation as we got into the mountains.

What scenery! This was becoming a great day - as the sky cleared up almost as soon as we got into higher elevations. Waterfalls, gorges, cascading mountains - all of it at about 8 mph - as the engineer slowed the train to permit picture taking. Really something to see and keep etched in the memory banks (and of course, photo albums!).

We had about a 10 minute stop at Whistler - so I got off the train with my friend's wife (who was in dire need of a cigarette) whereas I wanted to snap some photo's of the RDC's (what else!). Surprise, surprise! There was about 4 feet of snow awaiting us - of course the platform was cleared - but the snow was all around us. Absolutely wonderful to see and experience - and the temperatures were more than tolerable. I wanted to stick around a bit, but the RDC's sounded the horn and we climbed back on board.

Now, I could go on and on and on about everything we saw along the way to Lillooet, but let me just say that the descriptions would somehow all sound alike - breathtaking, beautiful, stunning, great, fantastic, etc. ......

About 45 minutes south of Lillooet, we passed by two large glacial lakes - Anderson and Seton lakes. With sheer cliffs dropping nearly straight down to the water, we all marveled at just how those mountain goats managed to get where they were (much less back to where they came from)!! Unbelievable. Each lake has a story connected with it - perhaps for another session (unless someone wants to "jump" in to expound on them a bit ......[:)])

Lillooet sits in a valley and the town is within reasonable walking distance from the train station, which by the way is a great place to see. We had about 2 hours before the return trip, so we headed into town to see the sites.

We learned that Lillooet's history really goes back to the "gold rush" days when this was the staging area for the hordes of people heading north to stake their claims. We also met some very friendly and forthcoming folks who were more than willing to answer the questions so many had. My wife and I decided to hike up one of the hills - all developed - just to get some photo's looking down on the town. Glad we did, for those pictures really are now keepsakes. One of the people we met came out of her house and asked if we had "see the bear?" Hmmmmmm - apparently there had been a bear meandering around, but had not been seen for about an hour or so. That was comforting[:0]

The return trip was also something to remember, but alas, much of it was in dusk then darkness. The meal served on board and at our seats was fantastic. We had a choice of entrees and the food was plentiful, hot, and tasty. Forgot to say the same about our breakfast .......

Well, BC Rail no longer runs those RDC's or anything else. The trains all the way to Prince George (Lillooet is about half way) no longer run. Sad times for many along the route. I know, from friends we have in BC, that it was a heated debate right up until CN took over ...... The RDC's? Well, they've been "dispersed," another way of saying "sold" and from the best of what I've been able to ascertain - have all seen much better times. A couple have been relegated to tourism trains in the U.S., others as spare parts, and one or two either have or are supposed to wind up in a RR museum. There had been a rumor that VIA Rail wanted to purchase them, for the "Malahat," but apparently that fell through - budgets being what they always are - "insufficient"![:(]

So, that's it! Another chapter in riding Canadian Passenger Railroads comes to a close. But - wait, not so fast. My model railroad - Can-Am layout - has a mountain line. It is a point-to-point run, with LifeLike Proto 1000's RDC's in the BC Rail livery, making the run whenever I want them to! Even have mini-versions of Anderson and Seton Lakes! Check 'em out on my photo site - http://www.railimages.com/gallery/thomasweber



See ya'll later![tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:59 AM
Good Mornin’!

Started off with some blue in the skies, but it’s now rather gloomy looking. No precip expected – temps around freezing (F) – just “one of those days.” BUT – it IS Saturday!![swg] That can’t be all bad, eh[?]


COMMENTARY: There are a few things ‘round here that somehow get under my skin – and they shouldn’t. They do – and I suppose each of us can be faulted for being – well, human.

Over the ten months (tomorrow) of the existence of ”Our” Place many customers have been “inducted” into our Order of the Stools. Some “graduated’ upward into the Permanent Stool category based on past performance and potential for being a “core supporter” of what we do ‘round here.

We’ve seen guys come ‘n go. We’ve witnessed some of our “core supporters” engage in the “hit ‘n run” Postings, which is so irritating and rather ignorant. We’ve seen several of our Order of the Stools guys Post elsewhere without stopping by the bar at all for that particular day. Others have Posted elsewhere and haven’t come by for hours later. We’ve also experienced a “drought” of sorts with some others where we they simply “disappear” for weeks. Many of these same people do not answer Emails – will not engage in the dialogue at the bar when asked direct questions – and obviously are not reading through the pages of Posts before “jumping in” with their own. How then are we to consider them as anything other than the run of the mill crowd we see on so many other threads[?]

The idea ‘round here is NOT to alienate, but to establish and maintain dialogue between those of us interested in keeping the thread ‘alive.’ For those who will not, I suggest that you take it elsewhere.

There, now I feel much, much better!


Okay, Guys – the idea today is to jump in on ENCORE! Saturday – dig deep and you’’ come up with something of interest![tup] After all, the dialogue ‘round here on weekends is rather Spartan – that’s why we do ENCOREs!

Some acknowledgments are in order:

pwolfe Pete
Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 22:30:51


You seem to have a way with the Track Gang crowd – for they’ve takin’ a likin’ to ya! Don’t know if THAT’s all good.[?] Anyway, once you start buying them drinks, they’ll become “yours” – are you prepared for THAT[?][swg]

Check this out:

Saltley Train Station [1854-1968] (sans Sea Gulls!!) (courtesy: Andrew Doherty; photo: Bob Essery)


trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 22:59:00, 23:12:45 and 11 Feb 2006 08:23:28


No question where YOUR “heart” is – right here![tup][tup][tup] It takes willingness and effort to get the most out of this thread, and you Sir Rob are one of a few who surely know how to engage on the Forums and this Thread! Thanx.

Good Index feature and certainly worth “bookmarking.”

Your comments in last night’s Post were the impetus behind MY commentary. Some things just need to be said. I do concur with you about the quality aspect of the Posts – something I have been saying for months – quality over quantity every time. HOWEVER, if this thread is to succeed not only for the few of us who keep it going, but to attract AND KEEP some new blood, the TIMING of the Posts surely could be better. We must try and keep this thread “up” on the Forum page. I just don’t think many of the guys “get it,” or perhaps care.

barndad Doug
Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 07:40:10


Appreciate your morning “rib tickler!” Perhaps not quite on the order of the one from your Cabs Part V – but a good way to begin the day, fer sure, fer sure![swg]

Your comments are well taken and bring to mind something that needs to be elaborated upon. One of the aspects of ”Our” Place that has “worked” for several of our guys is the feeling of BELONGING – as in finding a niche at the bar. We all have our strengths and weaknesses, our Achilles heels and our thick skins. However, when it comes to the subject of Classic Trains and the banter at the bar, I’d say we really are fortunate in having a “core” to draw from in order to keep it light, entertaining and educational. You surely are a fine example of all three![tup][tup][tup]

If it seems that the quality is getting better it is because several of you WANT it to be that way. The guys who participate regularly with the Sunday Photo Posting Days!, who pick up on the “Theme for the Day,” and join in for ENCORE! Saturdays are much more essential to the orderliness of things ‘round here and to the health of the bar than are those who simply Post and leave for days, or weeks at a time.

To all who bought the house a round – THANX! I’m sure the “bell tolled” for you – but I was fast asleep![zzz]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 11, 2006 8:48 AM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:
first Posted on page 143

Kansas City Southern (KCS)

Headquarters: Kansas City, MO

Mileage:

1950: 962
2000: 2,995

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 121

Rolling stock in1963:

Freight cars; 581
Passenger cars: 22

Principal routes in 1950:

Kansas City, MO-Shreveport, LA-Port Arthur, TX
Dallas, TX-Shreveport-New Orleans, LA
Minden-Alexander, LA

Passenger trains of note:

Flying Crow (Kansas City-New Orleans & Port Arthur)
Shreveporter (Hope-Shreveport)
Southern Belle (Kansas City-New Orleans & Port Arthur)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, February 11, 2006 8:23 AM
Morning Tom, a lage eye opening coffee and one of the large breakfast please. oh here's a ten for a round once the heavier stuff starts flowing.

Doug hey glad that you liked the index, I find it make's it easier for me to refer back to for encores etc.twenty fingered Al eh? Thaat would splain it I'm still using two fingers and a thumb[swg]

Your museum is luckey to be so close, we drive about an hour, still I like getting there at least once a week in the good weather.Heather will spend some quality time there on weekends as well during the summer,she essentially grew up there as her Mom and Dad joined when she was 2 months old.where most kids had a soother she had a trolley gong [swg]

Well worktime awaits so I'll duck back in for some encores later.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:40 AM
Good morning Tom and fellow railfan/historians! I'll have just one light breakfast for the moment. Don't want to spoil my appetite for I-Hop in a few minutes [dinner]. Glad some of ya'll liked the joke yesterday [:-,]

I have to agree with Rob, when he states that although postings might seem to be slim these days, that the quality is unexcelled in our little cyber-bar. We can thank Tom's organization, hard-work and high standards for the contnued excellence of this thread, and a really great bunch of contributors who feel compelled to share their information. Each of us is finding their little nitches in the overall composition of material submitted, and it just seems to get better! By the way, Impressive index Mr. Rob. I can surely appreciate the time-consuming work of all your postings. Only 20-fingers Al has you beat in that area. The man is a typing machine!

In my case, having no rail stories of my own, I get material from books and old publications that I feel might be of interest to the people here. I also happen to have a huge railway museum practically in my back-yard where I volunteer as much time as work, family obligations and my wife will permit. As for posting here, I snatch whatever time I can find to catch-up on the doings at "Our Place" & submit the pre-typed series I put together over here. I'm not too good at following a particular theme, as I pretty much can only submit the material that's been prepared, but then I try on a later day to post something related to a subject already discussed. That's my version of an "encore" post, and as close to following a theme as I can get.

Anywho .... having said all that, I want to compliment Tom on his monthly Canadian RR history. This is the kind of information that helps me understand the history of railroading, and is much appreciated. I would love to take a trip on that 1601 observation dome, by the way.

Al, nice to see your post on the Wabash. I attended the Chicago Chapter meeting of the Railroad and Locomotive Historical Society last night, and the theme was Wabash service between here and St. Louis. Tom, there was a plethora of nifty RDC slides too!

Pete, if you e-mailed me, I either didn't get it, or I killed it. I'll e-mail you, and then you respond? I think you'll really like the "Fast Mail", and I'm looking forward to your comments.

Great to see you Lars! Here's my "groaner" for today

[:I] One day, a depressed crocodile decides to see his doctor about his problems. He says, "Doc, I'm not sure what's wrong with me. I don't feel like killing people anymore. I don't like attacking them, I don't like wrestling them in the water, and I definitely don't like eating them." The doctor goes over to his medicine cabinet, and pulls out several tiny blue pills. In amazement, the crocodile asks his doctor, "Doc, are those what I think they are?" The doctor replies, "Yes, I'm prescribing you some Viagra." Frustrated, the crocodile tells his doctor, "I'm not sure you understand -- have you been listening to a word I've said?" The doctor replies, "Of course I've been listening, you said you had a reptile dysfunction!" [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:01 AM


SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM. (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


The weekend is upon us! Fini***he week with a freshly brewed cuppa Joe, some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, and if you’re really hungry, try our <traditional> and <light> breakfast selections from the menu board![tup]

QUESTION: What date of significance does this coming Sunday represent[?][?] ANSWER: The 10th Month Anniversary of ”Our” Place!!! Pete Wins the Pint!![tup]


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Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear may be found at:

Baltimore & Ohio (B&O)
#1: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=233&TOPIC_ID=35270
Chesapeake & Ohio (C&O)
#2: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=234&TOPIC_ID=35270
Pennsylvania (PRR)
#3: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=237&TOPIC_ID=35270
New York Central (NYC)
#4: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=240&TOPIC_ID=35270
New Haven (NYNH&H)
#5: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=242&TOPIC_ID=35270

Santa Fe arrives next Tuesday! This will be the THEME for the DAY!

* Weekly Calendar:

Today: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 05:20:24 (242) Friday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 06:06:38 (242) Inclusive Post & Cabs #5

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 07:11:38 (242) Inclusive Post & Streamliner #59 – ATSF Chief

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 07:53:07 (242) Acknowledgments, etc.

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 08:06:58 (243) reply to trolleyboy

(6) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 10:53:08 (243) Inclusive Post, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 11:37:10 (243) reply to trolleyboy

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 11:44:25 (243) Significant Events in Canadian RR History – Feb

(9) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 15:38:14 (243) PM Post!

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 16:09:16 (243) Wabash Dome Pix

(11) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 16:43:38 (243) Pizza & beer!

(12) passengerfan Al Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 17:00:45 (243) Inclusive Post & Wabash Dome cars

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 18:41:42 (243) Acknowledgments, etc.

(14) pwolfe Pete Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 22:30:51 (243) Inclusive Post, etc.

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 22:59:00 (243) Inclusive Post, etc.

(16) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 10 Feb 2006, 23:12:45 (243) Classic Index, ver 3



NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
Double Features beginning Monday, January 30th!

. . . Sunday, February 5th thru 11th: The Titfield Thunderbolt (British 1953) starring: Stanley Holloway, Naunton Wayne, John Gregson & Sidney James – and – Breakheart Pass (1975) starring Charles Bronson, Ben Johnson & Richard Crenna.

Coming Attractions:

. . . Sunday, February 12th thru 18th: Bound for Glory (1976) starring: David Carradine, Ronny Cox & Melinda Dillon – and – Emperor of the North Pole (1973) starring: Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine & Keith Carradine.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, February 10, 2006 11:12 PM


THE CLASSIC INDEX VER 3


CLASSIC JUICE

#1 The London and Port Stanley RY L&PS pg# 116
#2 The Niagara St Catharines & Toronto RY NS&T pg# 123
#3 The Montreal and Southern Counties MS&C pg# 131
#4 The Brantford & Hamilton RY B&H pg# 134
#5 The Berlin and Waterloo Street Railway B&WSR pg# 142
#6 The Nearside Car pg# 146
#7 The Peter Witt Story pg# 148
#8 The PCC Car pg# 157
#9 The Nippissing Central N&C RY pg# 140
#10 The Safety Car pg# 162
#11 CNR Electric Lines pg# 163
#12 The Toronto Civic Railway TCR pg# 180
#13 The TCR Cars pg # 180
#14 The Toronto Suburban Railway TSR pg# 211
#15 Canadian Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders pg# 212
#16 US Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders ( that built for Canada ) pg# 217
#17 The Grand River Railway GRR pg# 223
#18 The Lake Erie and Northern Railway LE&N pg# 224
#19 The British Columbia Electric Railway BCER pg# 225
#20 Incline Railways of Hamilton pg# 242


CNR CLASSIC STEAM

#1 Huntsville Sub pg# 159
#2 Alliston Sub pg# 163
#3 Strathroy sub pg# 165
#4 Niagara Falls Passenger Trains pg# 170
#5 Passenger Trains on Brampton & Thorndale Subs pg # 170
#6 The " Roustabout " pg# 176
#7 Passenger trains to Palmerston pg# 182
#8 Southern On railmap pg# 183
#9 Speacial Frieghts on The Niagara Frontier pg# 191
#10 Speacial Freights on The Niagara Frontier Pt 2 pg# 191
#11 Passenger Train Profiles PT 1 pg# 198
#12 Passenger Train Profiles PT 2 pg# 198
#13 The Formation of The CNR pg# 218
#14 The CSR's ST Clair Branch pg# 226

CLASSIC CANADIAN ADS

#1 TH&B Doodlebug Ad for EMC pg# 153
#2 National Geographic Ad for CNR Circa 1929 pg# 209
#3 CNR Hotels Ad Circa 1932 pg# 209
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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, February 10, 2006 10:59 PM
Good evening Tom and gents. I'll grab a deep dish Candian pizza please ( mushrooms, ham,sausage )and a pitcher of Back lable beer please.

Tom It's a bit distressing with the lake of numbers of posts lately, but I think that we are in a quality as opposed to quantity stage at the moment. tis better that way I think, so head up,here's a twenty to smooth over the ankle biting action in the back room.

Nice history lesson from canada's railway past. Sorry Lars some of those tidbits i don't know much about without going to my book library, if you jhave a specific you would like to know about ask either Tom or I may be able to come up with at least a partial answer. I'm fairly familiar with the OSR a couple of the museum members work for them, neet little shortline they roster quite a few old ex CP MLW locomotives. As well as the line Tom mentioned they run CPR's guelph JCT and switch the city of Guelph and they have several spurs which they operate in St thomas on Interchanging with CN.

Al g;ad to see that you picked up on Tom's wabash photo, figured you would. Nice to know that our esteemed propiator knows how to flick the members switches.[swg][:-^]

Pete You are right if those inclines were still around the people of Hamilton would likely still use them. My store is on Upper Wentworth Street. If you go to the muntain brow ( 10 blocks from the store ) The staircase is still there, coarse still usable in good weather, you can get an idea where the incline was but nature pretty much has taken over. The James street incline is now a road access , two lane pain in the but twisty awfull road it and two others one which is HWY 20, one called the Jolly cut are the only top to bottom access into the upper part of the city. That or you go the long way around on HWY 403 and the Lincoln Alexander Parkway.

1326 was the Museum's first car and the only one of 400 double truck TR's left. The car looks good but we do not run it often. It's an all wood including the underframe car. It was completely restored in the late 50's by the members and ran in regular service at the museum from 1971 when we openned to the public till the 1989-90. it's now needing another complete overhaul. new electrics and some new underframe work. we got it running with new airtanks and some cosmetic paint type work last July 2003 for the museum's 50th celebrations. We figure about $125K is realistically needed to completely restore the car to everyday use-not in the cards at the moment. still it's a fine static occational use piece. 1704 is a bit more of a basket case. It needs a complete rebuild as well-same kind of bucks. Unfortunatly it's not in viewable condition at the moment. Baby steps is the way of the museum, our new display barn has been the main thing the last 5 years or so and has taken up the bulk of our fund raising efforts. I'm told that it is going ahead finally this year, they have applied for the building permits. Once barn 4's up then we can get back to fund raising for the long term car restoration projects. 1326,1704,LE&N 797 , and TCR 55 ( our second car ) are likely the first priorities. all these cars are wood bodied so require bigger chunks of ca***o restore and maintain once they are operable.

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Posted by pwolfe on Friday, February 10, 2006 10:30 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and any Steak if there is any

Running late today and it seems quite lively in the back room not helped by TEX nipping a few of the track gang's ankles after they were laughing at the bandage on his tail, a left over from the groundhog incident[:-^].

A lot of good posts again today[tup]. with great info from AL on the NH and SantaFe sleepers looking forward to the RR from Yesteryear on Tuesday.

DOUG Thanks for the two cab posts I too had not given much tought to the cab widow glass altough I knew the later steam locos in the U.K. had angled windows to improve visabilty and cut down the glare from the fire at night.
Loved the joke. I had not heard it before [^]
Have sent E-Mail[tup].
Happy anniversary.

ROB thanks for info on the open cars and the photos. #1326 looks another credit to the museum[tup].
Great Classic Juice on the Hamilton Inclines if they could have been kept they would be a big tourist attracation today do you think[?].

TOM Thanks for the what happened this month on the Candian RRs Wonderful photo of the Wabash Domes for Lars and ALs follow up. Hope that you get over that flu quickly AL

TOM There was a locomotive depot near the center of Birmingham U.K. (sadly now recently closed) named SALTLEY and owing to the loco crews large track knowledge the crews were known as the Saltley seagulls( go everywhere and poop on everything)
[:)].
Would the answer to your question be . Sunday is the 10th anniversary of Our Place and if I am right do I get a free pint [?][:-,].
Oh well it seems that the track gangs are not getting any quieter but they have had a hard week so let me stand them a round. I'll go and see how the USA soccer team is getting on( kick-off was at 10) PETE.
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, February 10, 2006 6:41 PM
G'day!

Good to see both Lars & Al here tonite![tup] From the sounds coming from the Pool Room, I'd say the Track Gangs of the Can-Am, CN & CP have arrived. Both tables are rockin' and undoubtedly this is the start of something "big!"[swg]

Send another pitcher of Schaefer over to where Lars and his lady are sitting. Thanx Lucy![swg]

Good stuff on the Wabash Al although the "theme" is perhaps better suited for my other thread - it will "work" here as well![tup] And by the by - thanx for the round!![tup][tup]

Lars Your ten spot is long gone and we're dipping into the "Lars box" for more![swg] Those Track Gang guys can surely drink up a storm and the more they do, the better the pool shots!<grin> Uh-oh, I heard a <crash> - Boris go find Leon and make yourselves "known" back there .... don't want the joint broken up.<geesh>

All kinds of thoughts runnin' through my head tonite - wondering whether this dwindle-down effect of the regulars is a sign of things to come. Ya know, we really only have a few who are dependable - which is defined as Posting at least once per day. We've really changed 'round here. Just think of this: what would it be like if I stopped Posting throughout the day[?][?]

Ruth take this NY style family-size pizza over to Lars' table. I think they are ready![swg]

Okay, Gents - I'll let the nite proceed without further comment .....

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, February 10, 2006 5:00 PM
Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Have to get out of bed and keep checking the forum am I nuts or what. Anyway will hide in the back room and try a double CR and I'll buy a round for the house at the same time.
Saw the posting of the Wabash Blue Bird picture always a favorite day train of mine though I never actually ever rode it.
Any train with that many domes ceratinly got Lars attention.
Hope this post helps satisfy his lust for domes.

WABASH
Dome Cars
By Al



The Wabash received its second postwar diesel powered streamlined train in January 1950. Unlike the earlier CITY OF KANSAS CITY delivered in November 1947by American Car & Foundry, the new BLUE BIRD was a Budd built streamliner. The earlier train was built of steel and painted in the beautiful blue and white paint scheme of the Wabash. The new streamliner in stainless steel also received Wabash blue between the fluted panels. The earlier CITY OF KANSAS CITY operating a daily round trip between St. Louis and Kansas City was built as a seven-car train powered by a single EMD E7A.
The new BLUE BIRD inaugurated February 26, 1950 was a six-car train as built, with four of those cars domes. Three were coach domes numbered 200-202 with the standard 24-seats in the dome and 54-coach seats on the main level 20-forward of the dome and 34 to the rear of the dome with large bathrooms located beneath the domes. The fourth dome was a dome parlor observation identical to those built for the earlier Burlington VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS. The Wabash Dome observation 1601 featured 24 seats in the dome, 9-parlor seats on the main level forward of the dome and 18-parlor seats aft of the dome. There were two additional lounge chairs that were sold as parlor space when the car was full located at the rear of the car in the rounded end. These seats were sold at parlor rates when the car was fully booked. Beneath the dome a 5-seat parlor drawing room with private restroom and a pair of restrooms for the parlor car patrons. The 1601 operated by Pullman unlike the Burlington who operated their parlor cars with Burlington personnel.
The Wabash advertising referred to the BLUE BIRD as a Domeliner, this reference would later refer to all UP streamliners equipped with domes.
The new BLUE BIRD operated a daily round trip between St. Louis and Chicago northbound in the morning and late afternoon departure southbound, the new Domeliner powered by a single EMD E8A was the only Chicago – St. Louis train equipped with domes prior to Amtrak.

24-SEAT VISTA DOME 54 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Budd Company January 1950 (Built for and assigned to BLUE BIRD)

200-202

24-SEAT VISTA DOME 5-SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 29-SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATION Budd Company Plan: 9525 Lot: 9652-037 (Built for and assigned to BLUE BIRD)

1601

From the beginning of streamlined BLUE BIRD operation the demand for Parlor seats exceeded the capacity of the 1601. With that in mind the Wabash ordered a single dome parlor car from Pullman Standard. The reason the car was not a Budd car as the rest of the BLUE BIRD consist was simply the fact that the latter manufacturer was busy with other orders and the cost for a single car was prohibitive. Thus the BLUE BIRD became one of those rare trains to operate with domes from two manufacturers in the same consist. The new Dome parlor delivered in July 1952 was a painted car without fluted stainless panels, so always stood out when operated in the BLUE BIRD. The new car seated 24 in the standard flat glass paneled dome and beneath the dome was located the “BLUE BIRD Room”. This room with seating for eleven was for private parties and served as a private dining room or lounge. At other times the “BLUE BIRD Room” was used as a lounge for all parlor passengers. The car featured a 5- seat parlor drawing room with its own private bathroom, and 21-parlor seats on the main level. The new Pullman Standard built car was numbered 1602 and like the 1601 was operated by Pullman, as were all Parlor cars on the Wabash.
This overabundance of domes in the BLUE BIRD did not last long as one of the coach domes was transferred to the CITY OF KANSAS CITY giving that train dome status.
In later years the Wabash would assign one of the dome parlors to the BANNER BLUE between St. Louis and Chicago. Thus the Wabash with five domes spread them among three trains.

24-SEAT VISTA DOME 5-SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 21-SEAT PARLOR CAR WITH 11-SEAT BLUE BIRD ROOM Pullman Standard July 1952 Plan: 7551B Lot: 6904 (Built for and assigned to BLUE BIRD)

1602

One final dome was built for the Wabash part of the last new dome car order built in November – December 1958. This order was unusual in two ways first they were the only coach domes built by Pullman Standard with curved glass panels, and Pullman Standard built the seven dome coaches to American Car & Foundry plans for the Wabash and Union Pacific. They were duplicates of the AC&F built coach domes delivered to the Union Pacific in 1955 for the CHALLENGER and CITY OF PORTLAND. The Wabash received one and the UP received five of these new dome coaches painted in full streamliner colors for operation in the CITY OF ST. LOUIS train sets operating between St. Louis and Los Angeles. The Wabash Dome Coach car was numbered 203 continuing the number sequence from the Budd built dome coaches built for the BLUE BIRD. Like the earlier dome coaches built for the UP the seating in these cars was 36 on the main level with a pair of large restrooms beneath the dome.

24-SEAT ASTRA DOME 36-SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard November – December 1958 (Built for and assigned to CITY OF ST. LOUIS)

Wabash

203

Union Pacific

7011-7015

TTFN AL
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Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, February 10, 2006 4:43 PM
Hello Tom

How about a family size NY style pizza with Italian sausage and pepperoni - half and half if you please - and my wife and I will take a table over there by the window if that's ok! Oh yes, two pitchers of Schaefer should do it.

Just looking at that consist of dome cars on the Wabash kind of brings a sadness to me. While I never traveled that road, nor did I ever see any of the cars, any train with domes simply "does it" for and to me![swg]

There are absolutely few experiences in life that pleases me more than to sit in a dome car, drink in hand, taking in the views and letting the world glide on by.[yeah] Now THAT's living, my friend, THAT's living![tup][tup]

Guess I'm in a reflective state of mind tonite - oh well, I'm sure the wife will figure a way to change that![swg] Oooooooooooops, sorry Honey, didn't think you were listening!

We'll be sticking around for a bit ..... so keep the faith! Dome cars forever!

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, February 10, 2006 4:09 PM
G'day Guys!

Now tell me - doesn't this just make you WANT to take a train trip[?]

Wabash #1601 observation dome (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, February 10, 2006 3:38 PM
Hi Tom

[wow] Am I the only customer since this morning[?] Incredible for a Friday, I'd say. Surely don't get it ....

I enjoyed that piece on the Canadian RR events for February.[tup] Must admit, I didn't quite understand it all - but perhaps Rob will enlighten us when he resurfaces.

Sorry I don't have anything prepared for today, but things have been a bit hectic in my house lately. Nothing to be concerned about, just the "normal" BS of everyday domestic life![swg] (Hope she isn't reading over my shoulder!!!)

We're bracing for a storm that is supposed to turn this place into a winter wonderland. So the hatches are battened down, full provisions in the reefers, beer is cold, wife is warm, what else can a man wish for[?] By the way, I REALLY got a kick out of that joke Doug slipped in at the end of his Cabs, Part V!![swg]

Sorry, but I must check out for now. I'll try to make it back a bit later for NY style pizza and lots of brew!!

Whoooooops! Before I get Tweeeeeeted! how a about a quick one[?] Aw, just make it a Bud Light - thanx![swg] And here's a ten spot for the track gang's beer fest later on this evening.[tup]

Until the next time!

Lars

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