"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Al - Good supplement to the first ENCORE! Post of the day - the CGW - but it's NOT a "theme" - none of those except on Tuesdays. Always appreciate your efforts to keep an idea moving forward.[tup][tup]

Hey! Just caught that 2nd submission of the day. Nice ENCORE! with the streamlined observations of the CP - way to go![tup][tup] Now, you definitely know how to "tweak" the Proprietor when you talk about the Park Cars!! Love reading about 'em - love seeing the Pix of 'em and above all, love riding in 'em! So help me, if there was a way - I'd arrange my last days to be spent riding back 'n forth across Canada in the drawing room (triple b/r) of the Park Car![swg] Thanx - really liked your work.[tup][tup][tup]

Thanx Lars for the effort! It's a great idea and a good first step toward getting some of the guys back for the one year celebration![tup][tup][tup]

Since, I'm "sitting this out," if any of you have those addresses that Lars mentioned, why not ship off an email or two[?] Can't hurt.

Appreciate the late night Posts from Count Robulla!![swg]

Received and responded to your Email as well![tup]

Nick Many THANX for the "column" for our next issue of the Gazette! Really appreciate your efforts with that and the Pix you sent yesterday. Great job and your support is ALWAYS appreciated. Now if we could only figure out a way to get you to our Rendezvous in Toronto![swg]

Once again, I invite you guys to stop by "my other thread." There's some interesting stuff that appears on those pages - much of it repeats from here, but some rather different in the Pix department.

Rob It truly is of great benefit regarding just how much info is shared on this Thread - stuff to learn and things to bring back great memories. Never stops and all good![tup] When a guy like Pete asks a question, you know it's because he reads and digests the info . . . . makes it all the more worthwhile, eh[?] It is so much better dialogue than what we sometimes experience with those who just don't interact. Okay, okay - I won't go down that road today![swg]

Appreciate your efforts in sending out Emails to a couple of guys. I received a reply from jdonald Don and he says he'll be here on the 12th. First one "signed up!" Good deal.[tup]

A reminder to one and all - it doesn't hurt to "invite" - so c'mon, let's see if we can get a representative turnout of the guys who made this 1 year Anniversary happen![tup][tup][tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a coffee and its back to the office.

Just thought I would throw this in for Encore Saturday.

CANADIAN
PACIFIC Streamlined Observations
by Al

The first lightweight streamlined Observation owned by Canadian Pacific was constructed in there own shops on a frame supplied by Canadian Car & Foundry in 1938. This was a flat ended or blunt Observation numbered 6630. Number 6630 was also fitted with a diaphragm at the observation end for mid-train use. This car has the distinction of being the only non-Budd built lightweight streamlined Observation ever owned by the Canadian Pacific. The Canadian Pacific assigned the car to the ROYAL YORK between Detroit and Toronto. In 1968 the car was sold to the Quebec North Shore and Labrador for further service.

BUFFET 17 SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE 22 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATION (Blunt) Canadian Pacific Shops 1938 (Built for and assigned to ROYAL YORK)

6630

In 1954 the Canadian Pacific received eighteen Budd built lightweight streamlined stainless steel Sleeper Lounge Observations with Domes almost identical to those built for the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR some years before. In fact it is rumored that the Canadian Pacific people while on a visit to Budd at their Red Lion facility outside Philadelphia in December 1952 happened to see CB&Q 378 SILVER LOOKOUT being prepared for delivery to its owning road. After going through this one car the idea for the CANADIAN was born. Each of the Dome Sleeper Lounge Observations delivered to the Canadian Pacific rode on Canadian built trucks using the patented Budd disc brakes. The trucks were manufactured by DOFASCO and shipped to Red Lion for installation. Some of the interior details of the PARK cars as they were referred two were installed in Canada as well. The new premier train of the Canadian Pacific was the CANADIAN operating daily between Montreal-Toronto and Vancouver by way of Sudbury, Thunder Bay Winnipeg, Regina, Moose Jaw, Calgary, Kamloops and Vancouver. It was at Sudbury where the Toronto Section and Montreal section were combined westbound and separated eastbound. Each of the PARK cars was named for a Canadian Park either National, or Provincial.
Besides the CANADIAN the PARK series Observations were assigned to the number two train across Canada the DOMINION. The DOMINION operated with a mixture of the new Budd built cars, several lightweight CPR built cars and several heavyweight sleeping cars as well. Even the CANADIAN operated for several years with heavyweight Tourist Sleeping Cars with Budd fluted stainless steel side panels applied above and below the windows the rest of these cars was painted stainless steel to match the rest of the train.
All PARK series cars were transferred to VIA Rail Canada ownership except for FUNDY PARK that had been written off some years earlier in a wreck of the CANADIAN.
Today these cars still operate in VIA Rail service after extensive remodeling and conversion to HEP power from the former steam.

3 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM 12 SEAT MURAL LOUNGE BUFFET 24 SEAT DOME 14 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow-Tailed) Budd Company 1954 (Built for and assigned to CANADIAN 7 DOMINION)

ALGONQUIN PARK

ASSINIBOINE PARK

BANFF PARK

EVANGELINE PARK

FUNDY PARK

GLACIER PARK

KOKANEE PARK

KOOTENAY PARK

LAURENTIDE PARK

PRINCE ALBERT PARK

REVELSTOKE PARK

RIDING MOUNTAIN PARK

SIBLEY PARK

STRATHCONA PARK

TREMBLANT PARK

TWEEDSMUIR PARK

WATERTON PARK

YOHO PARK

The final four streamlined observations purchased by the Canadian Pacific came used from the New York Central in 1959. The four cars when in NYC service were assigned to the NEW ENGLAND STATES between Boston and Chicago, the OHIO STATE LIMITED between New York and Cincinnati and the SOUTHWESTERN LIMITED between St. Louis and New York. These four Budd built sleeper lounge observations were assigned two to overnight pool train service between Montreal and Toronto with Canadian National. The other two were initially assigned to the ATLANTIC LIMITED. This was only for a short period of time and they were reassigned to CPR-CNR POOL TRAINS BETWEEN Montreal and Toronto. These four Observations lasted 10 years in CPR service before being resold.

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 24 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company May - June 1949 Plan: 9506 Lot: 9664-023 (Purchased used from NYC for Pool train service)

EAST VIEW originally NYC 10562 FALL BROOK

RIVER VIEW originally NYC 10563 PLUM BROOK

SEA VIEW originally NYC 10560 BABBLING BROOK

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 24 SEAT HIGH-WINDOWED LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Swallow-Tailed) Budd Company June-July 1949 Plan: 9508 Lot: 9636-023 (Purchased for and assigned to Pool train service)

MOUNTAIN VIEW originally NYC 10564 SINGING BROOK

TTFN AL

[LoveDomes]

1st Year Anniversary Info

I have sent messages to the following guys inviting them to come back on April 12th:

CFournier Chris (via the forums)
Gunns Kevin (via the forums)

wrwatkins (via the forums & email)
Jlampke John (via the forums & email)
Jdonald Don (via the forums & email)
Theodorebear (via the forums & email)

earlydiesels Dan (email) (no contact info on the forums)
Trainnut484 Russell (email) (no contact info on the forums)
West Coast S Dave (email) (no contact info on the forums)

I was unable to find contact info on the forums for wanswheel Mike.

If anyone has "working" email addresses for:
CFournier Chris - Gunns Kevin & wanswheel Mike, please send them an invitation to show up on the 12th.


Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 172

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #30

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check out this advertisement regarding the Canadian Pacific from 1950:
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Let yourself go! . . . . . . . . . .
See big beautiful CANADA in armchair ease

Salty vacation? It’s at The Algonquin, St. Andrews-by-the-Sea, New Brunswick . . . . 2 seaside golf courses, swimming, sailing. Or across Bay of Fundy waits The Digby Pines, at Digby, Nova Scotia – heaps of family fun! Either place, you’re in the good carte of Canadian Pacific.

Like “another world” city? See friendly Old Québec. Ride in a Calèche. Shop winding streets. Visit Ste. Anne de Beaupré or isle d'Orléans! Relax gaily in luxury at Canadian Pacific’s great Château Frontenac!

All the talk’s about Canada – land of vacations unlimited! See it from the Atlantic to the Pacific – by Canadian Pacific train with picture-window views. Enjoy real hospitality at fine Canadian Pacific hotels.

See the skyscraper Canadian Rockies – by Canadian Pacific, Diesel train. Stop over at Banff and Lake Louise, the area for breeze-swept Victoria, British Columbia – stay at the famous Empress Hotel. Revel in the roses. Go sightseeing, shopping. Sporty golf courses . . . swim in Crystal Garden, world’s largest enclosed sea pool. Enjoy climate like springtime all year ‘round.

Ask your own agent about fast Empress airliners to the Far East, New Zealand and Australia . . . cruise by “Princess” to Alaska . . . sail to Europe in White Empress style.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Canadian Pacific . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . Canada is news! See it by Canadian Pacific. . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 171

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #29

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check out this advertisement regarding the Canadian Pacific from 1950:
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . 18 vacation delights seeing . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . EAST-to-West Canada . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Value-minded travelers go Canadian Pacific! . . . . . . . . . .

Want your vacation sunny and salty? With family fun?

1. It’s waiting in down-east Nova Scotia at the Digby Pines, a picturesque hotel and cottage colony. 2. Your comfort’s in the good care of Canadian Pacific. 3. Like “another world” city? See Old Québec. 4. Ride in a Calèche. 5. Shop winding streets. 6.Visit Ste. Anne de Beaupré, 7. Or Isle d'Orléans! 8. Relax gaily at Canadian Pacific’s great Château Frontenac! 9. Onward! By Canadian Pacific train, notred for food and service. 10. Stop in gay Montréal, queenly Ottawa or colorful Toronto. 11. But stay and Play in Ontario’s lake-and-woods country! 12.Westward! Along the scene north shore of Lake Superior and across rolling prairies. 13. Then through the sky-high Canadian Rockies try Canadian Pacific Diesel train! 14 Stop at Banff Springs and Lake Louise and see unparalleled beauty! 15. Roll on by Canadian Pacific through Evergreen scenery. 16. Visit Victoria and reel in roses! 17. Stay there the Empress set in famous gardens! 18. Golf, swimming, sailing, fishing . . . take your choice!

Ask your travel agent about a world of service: To Europe by White Empress ships. Two Canadian Pacific air routes; to the Far East, or New Zealand and Australia. Across Canada, 19 fine hotels and resorts.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Canadian Pacific . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
See your local agent or Canadian Pacific in principal cities in U.S. and Canada


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Just Time for a Coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

Like your choice of the CGW for the day. Not much available for someone who writes mostly about streamliners. Will post what I have.

CHICAGO
GREAT
WESTERN Streamlined Coaches
by Al
The Chicago Great Western owned four cars that could be considered streamlined Coaches. The first two were built for the BLUE BIRD of 1929. This three-car motorcar train was actually three McKeen cars rebuilt by the CGW Oelwein shops into a power unit and two trailers. The Power cars contained Control Cab-Engine Room-15’ Railway Post Office and Baggage space and carried the number 1000. The second car was a 74-revenue seat Coach numbered 1001. The third car 1002 contained a small Kitchen and Pantry with eight seat dining area at two tables for four. A twenty seat Business Class section as today’s Airlines would refer to it, not as Spartan as regular coach seats yet certainly not up to Parlor car seating standards. To the rear of this seating was four Pullman Sections used for transporting passengers to and from the famed Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. The final compartment in car 1002 was the Parlor Observation room with parlor seats for thirteen. The BLUE BIRD would probably qualify as a semi-streamlined train when it entered service January 13, 1929. The exterior of the three-car gasoline electric train was painted a very dark Royal Blue with all lettering and numbers in Gold Leaf. The BLUE BIRD had disappeared by 1932 a victim of the great depression. Historically the BLUE BIRDS place in history is safe in the hands of Railway Historians.
The CGW purchased two-streamlined 48-revenue seat Coaches used from the Milwaukee Road in 1961 for their last remaining passenger trains between Minneapolis and Omaha. When all Passenger service ended on the CGW in 1965 the two cars were sold to the Michigan Railroad Club.

CHICAGO
GREAT
WESTERN Streamlined Observations
by Al

The CGW owned two streamlined Observations 1002 discussed earlier in the beginning of the book was rebuilt from a McKeen Motor Car in 1929. The conversion work was accomplished in the CGW Oelwein shops for service in a three-unit train named the BLUE BIRD.
The second lightweight streamlined Observation owned by the CGW was the GEORGE M. PULLMAN purchased used from the Pullman Company in October 1952, and originally built in May 1933. The CGW purchased the car for Business car use although some evidence suggests that the car was also used for charter work. This car had 1 Drawing Room 3 Double Bedrooms 1 Compartment Buffet 8 seat Dinette 12 seat Lounge and 6 additional seats in the rounded Observation end. GEORGE M. PULLMAN was retired by the CGW in September 1964 and scrapped in Omaha. This car of such historical significance unfortunately was not saved.

KITCHEN-PANTRY CAR HEATER 8 SEAT DINETTE 20 SEAT BUSINESS CLASS SEATS 4 PULLMAN SECTIONS 13 SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATION (Round) Rebuilt by CGW shops 1929 (Rebuilt for and assigned to BLUE BIRD)

200

1 DRAWING ROOM 3 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT BUFFET 8 SEAT DINETTE 12 SEAT LOUNGE 6 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (round) Pullman Standard May 1933 Plan: 4028 Lot: 6400 (Purchased used from Pullman for Business Car and Charter Car service)

GEORGE M. PULLMAN

CHICAGO
GREAT
WESTERN Streamlined Baggage Cars
by Al

The Chicago Great Western purchased but three lightweight streamlined cars and these three delivered in November 1946 were Baggage Cars 80 – 82. They were assigned to General Service operating in the MILL CITY LIMITED and other CGW trains until passenger service ended. In March 1965 the three Baggage Cars were sold to the Great Northern Railway and renumbered 277 – 279. They were often seen running in the westbound EMPIRE BUILDER between St. Paul and Spokane.

BAGGAGE CARS Pullman Standard November 1946 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

80 – 82

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 156


Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Chicago Great Western Railway (CGW)

Headquarters: Chicago (moved to Kansas City)

Mileage in 1950: 1,458

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 141

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars; 4,490
Passenger cars: 33

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Olewein, IA-Omaha, NE
Oelwein-Minneapolis
Oelwein-DesMoines, IA-St. Joseph, MO-Kansas City, MO
Clarion, IA-Mason City, IA-Austin, MN-Hayfield, MN
Osage, IA-Rochester, MN-Red Wing, MN
Red Wing-Mankato, MN
Simpson-Winona, MN

Passenger trains of note:

Blue Bird (Twin Cities-Rochester)
Great Western Limited (Chicago-Twin Cities)
Rochester Special (Twin Cities-Rochester)
Red Bird (Twin Cities-Rochester)
Legionnaire (Chicago-Twin Cities)
Minnesotan (Chicago-Twin Cities)
Mills Cities Limited (Kansas City-Twin Cities)
Nebraska Limited (Twin Cities-Omaha
Twin Cities Limited (Omaha-Twin Cities)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday


THINK April 12th –
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[siberianmo]

(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)

We open at 6 AM (all time zones!). (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


The weekend! [yeah]! Great way to begin the day is right here with a cuppa Joe – some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and if you’re really hungry, try our <light> or <traditional> breakfasts from the Menu Board![tup]


Daily Wisdom

Stay shy of a man who’s all gurgle ‘n no guts.[swg]


”Our” Place” ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION is Wednesday, April 12th!


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear – Great Northern Railway (GN) arrives Tuesday!

* Weekly Calendar:

TODAY: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 05:20:09 (284) Friday’s Info & Summary

(2) BudKarr BK Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 07:36:02 (284) ENCORE! A Man Named Pullman

(3) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 08:30:22 (284) Inclusive Post, CM3 style!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 09:50:54 (284) NOSTALGIA #78 – Pullman Co.

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 11:40:24 (284) Pullman streamliner cars

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 11:46:15 (284) Acknowledgments, etc.

(7) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 14:24:11 (284) The Lars Report & 3 Pullman Pix!

(8) barndad Doug Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 17:34:29 (284) Inclusive Post & joke!

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 18:40:12 (284) Acknowledgments & Comments

(10) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 20:10:11 (284) Nick Brief!

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 20:16:26 (284) for Nick

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 21:50:01 (284) Inclusive Post!

(13) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 22:20:20 (284) Classic Diesels #15 – Rebuilders, part 2



The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre

NOW SHOWING:

Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, March 19th thru 25th: Midnight Run (1988) starring: Robert De Niro, Charles Grodin & Yaphet Kotto – and - The Greatest Show on Earth (1952) starring: Betty Hutton, Cornel Wilde & Charlton Heston. SHORT: Hello Pop (1933).

COMING ATTRACTIONS

. . . Sunday, March 26th thru April 1st:Major League (1989) starring Tom Beringer, Charlie Sheen & Corbin Bernson – and – Bull Durham (1988) starring: Kevin Costner, Susan Sarandon & Tim Robbins. SHORT: Plane Nuts (1933).


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!



THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[trolleyboy]

One last one this week for the index.

CLASSIC DIESELS # 15 LOCOMOTIVE REBUILDERS PT 2

Morrison-Knudson (Boise Locomotive Works )

After several years of just doing locomotive maintenance on their own fleet of second ahndlocomotives ( mostly Alco's )which were used for construction projects ( MK's lease units were used as work train power ) Morrison-Knudson entered the contract rebuilding field in 1973.MK's first contract was the modification of 21 Burlington Northern E9A's for the West Suburban Mass Transit District. The 2400hp power rating stayed the same,however the old 567 motors were replaced with newer 645 power assemblies,and a 500kw detroit diesel aux power system replaced the steam generators for the HEP of the transit cars. Two extra cooling fans were also installed on tthe roof of the units between the stacks. In 1978 4 E8A's were similarly rebuilt ( also BN units )

This contract was followed by MK overhauls of several Amtrak E units,and then the 1975 contract which saw MK upgrade the D&H's 4 PA1's with new ( bouhgt from MLW)2400hp 251 engines replacing the old 2000hp 244 original motors.

Another standard rebuild they offered was the upgrading of old 244 1600hp powered RS3's to chopnosed 251 powered units of 1800-2000hp ratings.In dec of 1974 Detroit and Mackinac 974 was the first converted this way from old B&M 1512, next D&M 975 ws built from B&M 1517 in jan 1975.Starting in dec of 1974 running to march 1975 D&H had MK rebuild it's RS3 fleet.#501-508. To achieve the conversion to the 251 power assemblies, MK had to raise the long hoods 6 inches and move the dynamic brakes from their original short hood mounts to a new box built ontop of the hood.An EMD style blower duct was run along the left side running board,similar to the ductwork on EMD GP30's and 35's.

Over the yeasr MK started rebuilding more and more EMD and GE locomotives as railroads began dropping the minority power on their rosters.major SD40 and 45 rebuilds as well as GP rebuilds are now a commonplace for them.Quite often you see MK letterd locomotives mostly older SD40's and 45's of their lease fleet out and about on short and long term leases to other railroads.

In 2000 MK changed thier name to Boise Locomotive works, as Boise ohio is their birthplace and plant location.Along with their ongoing rebuilds of railways existing dash 2 locomotives to more fuel efficient microprocessor equiped dash3 and 4 models, they now market their own line of custom built locomotives.Known as green goats. 1500, and 2000 hp versionsa re available ( most using catapiller power units )Thes locomotives are built from old stripped locomotive frames with new hoods and cabs built on top, along with all new alternators and electronics.


Rob

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon a Bloody Ceasar if you please[:p] figured since I'm "the count" again I might as well brink an appropriate drink[:D]

Tom,Lars,& BK Wonderfull info on Pullman,isn't it neat how these unexpected theme days sneak up on us. I have to say that i've learned stuff about the Pullman co today that i did not know. The separate townsite , the pre prohibition, prohibition and the fact that Bombardier bought them out. I had thought that PS had just faded into the sunset in the eighties,neat to see the Candian conection.[:)] Nice to see the international Pullman ads,Pete did mention something quite a while back about the British ones, but until sir lars posted the ads, I had forgotten about them.

Doug Thanks for the award,not good about your downstairs neighbour. We couldn't wait to get out of the appartment life for likley much the same reason's.I could send you a copy of the sounds of stretcars record that we sell in the museum giftshop. No kidding one side is sounds of a PCC the othetr is the sounds of a Peter Witt. Played sufficiently loudly your erksome neighbour might get the hint.[}:)][;)]

I'm of coarse honoured by your MVP. [:I]Not something I expect, I do just enjoy the back and forth here. [tup][8D]

CM3 I haven't seen any PNC lease equipment go through up here in a loooong time. at one point CP tended to lease the old SD20's ( rebuilds from SD24's and SD18's ) Although our local shortline has two ex ICG paducah GP11's both ex SP units. I understand that from a few friends I have in various rail type jobs, that they have gone back mostly to their roots,crankshafts and turbocharger rebuilds, something they still do quite well.

Intersting bit on the WP&YR, they certainly don't offer freight service like that anymore.Imagine CSX or CN offering deliveries right to your door[:0][:o)][swg]

lars Just to let you know I ahve already sent out a couple emails to two of the legion of the lost. If you would like I can email the who and the what,it will save you a couple of pixels[;)][:D]

Tom I did get your last email, I'm still compiling the response,you should see it in the am,unless of coarse you have a bout of insomnia then you will see it tonight. I will likely pop up here during the day tomorrow as i've got e sat off[:0] Mind you the bride may have plans[B)][xx(] to my mastercard I'm sure. LOL

And yes I'm set for several encore sat's now.[;)]

Pete Just an add on to tom's info on those centrebeam lumber cars. TTX the big lease freight car pool operates several thousand of them as well. Usually plywood, panelling sometimes finished lumber and even drywall is carried by them. I hardley see a train go by without several of them full or othetrwise in them. BC rail, Cn ,Cp,Weyerhauser Lumber,ONR, Cascade forest Products,TTX,Coe leasing ,and Georgia Pacific also own large amounts of these cars as well. A great deal of them are made by National Steel car here in Hamiltton Ontario. It's not unusual to see strings of them and covered centrflow hoppers in the finished car stroage at their plant.


Rob

[siberianmo]

Greetings Nick!

You have "come to save the day!" with those Pix you sent! Many THANX as there are sufficient numbers for the next two Sunday Photo Posting Days![tup][tup][tup]

No apologies necessary - we know where your heart is![swg]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening all,just passing through on my way to the galley,thought I`d stop off for a livener-apologies for recent absence,a touch busy-such is life[4:-)][oX)]TOM-you have mail-various topics,drinks for all please-will call back when I can string a dozen words together,take care,nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Good Evening!

Ah, the return of barndad Doug! Now that’s cause for a round on the house – ring the bell Boris![tup]

Sorry to hear about “that’ situation. It’s always been a ‘crap shoot’ when it comes to neighbors. Makes it even worse when closeness enters the picture – as in common walls, etc. I’ve lived so long in detached houses that it’s relatively easy to forget about all those apartments in my distant past. A ‘crap shoot’ for sure. Hope things settle down and if you need some help from Vito the Hit and his Boyz let me know![swg]

Good stuff Lars and in spite of the fact that it’s not Sunday the Pix were most appropriate and supportive of our suddenly born “theme!”[swg][tup]


A comment regarding contacting the guys in “The Legion of the Lost.” Lars is working out some details to do this and right now he feels that it would be easier for him to send the Emails himself. So there won’t be a need for “A” and “B” lists.

However, that doesn’t preclude any of “us” from sending them as well. In other words, the more sent, the better the chance of getting them to show up on April 12th. I concur with that. I’m sitting this one out, though – it’s up to you all. Lars said he’d Post the names I sent him to begin the process.


My “vote” for MVP these past several days goes out to the guys who have supported Sunday Photo Posting Day! - the “theme” on Tuesday – Pike Perspective’s Day on Wednesday and who provide us with informative and timely Posts throughout the day. What’s particularly gratifying about this place is that we have several guys who step up to the plate – perhaps not as many as in the past – but a strong nucleus nonetheless. Those are the guys, all very deserving of special THANX![tup][tup][tup]


Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!


Later![tup]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[Anonymous]

Good afternoon Tom and all! I'll have my usual bootomless draught please, and spring for two rounds today. So very sorry about my absence recently. Just have some personal garbage going on here in the escalating war with my obnoxious and clueless downstairs neighbors, which has cost us sleep and has us involving the police once again. Anyone want to buy a condo?

I can't say enough about how terrific the posts have been over the past few days. Absolutely unbelievable. Really loved the White Pass & Yukon post Tom. The Terrific pix from Lars (not even domes!) and the parlor car info from Al was beautifully done!

Interesting idea from Lars concerning contacting "League of the Lost" members in an effort to get some of the old gang back. What do you think about it Tom?

Rob gets my vote for MVP (Most Valuable Patron) for the last couple of days. Terrific posts on the PNC, ICG and C&NW rebuilds, as well as his Classic Index and Pullman streamlined Observations. Lots of effort obviously went into these posts, and I'm sure we all appreciate it. Tom followed with more great Pullman info, and BK provided a great Pullman Encore. Wonderful work gentlemen ... and I mean work, because posts of this quality don't just happen without significant effort.

I hope to add something of my own yet tonight, but nothing is prepared at the moment. I did receive more railroad books from the mid 40's today, so I won't be running out of material anytime soon. I received three 1935 vintage magazines, but several pages of one had pictures hacked out, which I guess isn't a tremendous loss because the paper is so yellowed and fragile I'll just be happy to re-type a few articles from them. Oh well.

I want to publicly thank Pete for all the kind words and comments he has said to me in his posts. I'm not too good at accepting praise, but realize it's something I need to work on. So thanks Pete!

See ya'll later tonight!

[:I] Bob, a 70-year-old, extremely wealthy widower, shows up at the Country Club with a breathtakingly beautiful and very sexy 25 year-old blonde who knocks everyone's socks off with her youthful sex appeal and charm and who hangs over Bob's arm and listens intently to his every word.
His buddies at the club are all aghast. At the very first chance, they corner him and ask, "Bob, how'd you get the trophy girlfriend?"
Bob replies, "Girlfriend? She's my wife!"
They're knocked over, but continue to ask. "So, how'd you persuade her to marry you?"
"I lied about my age", Bob replies. "What, did you tell her you were only 50?"
Bob smiles and says, "No, I told her I was 90." [:I]

[LoveDomes]

G’day Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

Another “theme!” This time begun by my “bookend,” how nice![swg]

There is just no stopping him now, I think BK has become addicted to this stuff, huh[?] He’s everywhere!

Ok – ‘nuf of that. So what’s new – aside from New York, New Jersey, New Hampshire and New Mexico – oh yes, New Orleans and New-ark![?][swg] An interesting Friday to say the least. But so what, as long as we’re able to “get it up,” so to speak – on the forums of course!! – isn’t that all we hope for! [}:)]

Let me just order a brewski, whatever is on tap will do and a hero – this time make it ham, swiss, buttAH & mustAHd with a large pickle from the barrel. Oh, is that the same as always[?] I forgot![swg]

Tom Thanks for the map URL on the WPY – my guess is that freight service along that route is essential to those communities. As Coal-what’s-his-face mentioned in his post, although there is a melding of the rail & truck industries. Enjoyed the map![tup][tup]

Today’s Pullman article really says a lot that isn’t in print. Those guys who worked the Pullmans were really professional in what they did. However, given the social times we were in, my guess is they were treated rather poorly by the society at large. I did a bit of research on Wikipedia and came up with some rather ‘sobering’ stuff – nothing that I wasn’t aware of, but nonetheless “stuff” that makes one think.

But, we’re not here to bash Pullman – there’s was the railroad business after all. So, let me chime in with my own offerings regarding Pullman, but with a bit of a ‘twist’ . . .

Great Britain ad



French ad for car maker



Great Britain ad



Buy the house a round on me!


Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Another strange beginning - two days in succession WITHOUT barndad Doug and that after a day WITHOUT pwolfe Pete! Nevertheless, we WILL move on![swg]

Nice way to start the morning for us, BK and it kick-started me with my follow-up on Pullman![tup][tup][tup] Safe trip and see ya next week . . .

Rob "Count Robulla" has gone back to his nocturnal ways and looks as if we'll be without him during daylight for awhile. Received your Email and responded ... Thanx![tup] Appreciate the Posts and your Index is g-r-o-w-i-n-g!! What that means is you are "loaded" for many ENCORE! Saturdays to come.[swg]

CM3 Pleased you could make it in this AM - figured we'd probably be without you, but the surprise is well worth the anticipation! Figured you'd enjoy yesterday's White Pass & Yukon Route just a matter of getting you to see it! No matter, the follow up is appreciated as are the quarters and round![tup][tup]

That last "rebuild" of yours kind of says it all, eh[?] My oh my how the industry has changed over the years, but then again, so have we all. Interesting stuff - thanx![tup]

for: Pete That BC freight (871027) car you mentioned with the reporting mark of BCIT (British Columbia Railways) is a center beam flat used to transport banded and wrapped lumber products. Very common throughout Canada.




Catch y'all later - I'll be behind the bar for the day.

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest ogf the gang. Time for a Coffee and a crumpet.

Like the Pullman subject of the day.

PULLMAN
Streamlined Observations
by Al

In May 1933 Pullman Standard delivered to Pullman one 28 seat Coach Buffet 12 seat Dinette 10 seat Lounge Observation car constructed of Aluminum and riveted together. This car was never assigned a name and was displayed at the 1933 Chicago World's Fair. The car featured a rather odd tapered round Observation end never repeated on any other car. At the observation end was a pair of clamshell doors. The unnumbered car ran on experimental Aluminum trucks never repeated. The car was leased to the Union Pacific between October 1936 and March 1938 and painted in the UP yellow and brown with gold leaf lettering. The car carried the name CITY OF CHEYENNE on its flanks and was operated between Denver and Cheyenne. Apparently the car was extremely rough riding and at the end of the lease returned to Pullman where it was stored in Chicago. It is believed the car was scrapped for its Aluminum content sometime during WWII probably 1943.

28 REVENUE SEAT COACH BUFFET 12 SEAT DINETTE 10 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Sloping Round) Pullman Standard May 1933 (Built for display at 1933 Chicago World's Fair)

CITY OF CHEYENNE

The other Observation delivered by Pullman Standard to Pullman in May 1933 was also displayed at the 1933 Chicago World's Fair. This car named GEORGE M. PULLMAN for the founder of the Company that bore his name. The interior of the Aluminum car featured 3 Double Bedrooms 1 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Buffet 8 seat Dinette 12 seat Lounge 8 seat Lounge Observation. The Observation end of the car featured a rounded end with a single center door. The car was delivered in its natural Aluminum finish with no skirting and fixed vestibule-boarding steps. The car as delivered ran on experimental 4-wheel trucks.
After operating on the rear of several trains for short periods the car was returned to Pullman where it was shopped in November 1937. At that time the car had side skirting installed, standard six wheel trucks replaced the experimental 4-wheel trucks the car had been delivered with. At the same time the car received a full width diaphragm at the vestibule end of the car. New retractable folding steps were installed in the vestibule. The car was painted in Pullman's standard two-tone gray paint scheme at that time as well.
The first major assignment for the GEORGE M. PULLMAN after the rework was to one of the Santa Fe CHIEF consists between February, 1938 and July 1938. The reason for this was one of the CHIEF Sleeper Lounge Observations was assigned to operate in the second SUPER CHIEF consist for the same period until Pullman Standard delivered the new SUPER CHIEF sleeper Lounge Observation.
The next assignment for the GEORGE M. PULLMAN was to the TREASURE ISLAND SPECIAL for both seasons of its operation between May 22, 1939 - August 21, 1939 and between June 22, 1940 - September 16, 1940. For both seasons of this trains operation the GEORGE M. PULLMAN brought up the markers. In its first season the sleeping cars were all streamlined heavyweights and in the TREASURE ISLAND SPECIALS second season all sleeping cars were lightweights.
Beginning August 23, 1939 the GEORGE M. PULLMAN was assigned to the temporary replacement CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO after the original train was wrecked. The GEORGE M. PULLMAN was withdrawn when the CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO regular Observation SF-901 returned in May 1940 from repairs.
Following WW II the GEORGE M. PULLMAN returned to the Santa Fe where it once again brought up the markers of one of the CHIEF consists between February 1947 and November 1950. Again the CHIEF had to give up one of its regularly assigned Sleeper Lounge Observations to the new daily SUPER CHIEF until a final SUPER CHIEF VISTA series car was delivered to the Santa Fe in November 1950.
After that the car returned to Pullman Chicago.
In October 1952 the GEORGE M. PULLMAN was sold to the Chicago Great Western for Business car use. It is known the car was used in charter service by the CGW bringing customers from Minneapolis to Omaha and on at least one occasion the car was seen in Kansas City. For most of its time on the CGW it sat at Oelwein, Iowa the roads main shops. In September 1964 the car was transferred to Omaha where it was cut up for scrap.

3 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 8 SEAT DINETTE 12 SEAT LOUNGE 7 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Round) Pullman Standard Plan: 4028 Lot: 6400 (Built for and assigned to Pullman lease fleet)

GEORGE M. PULLMAN

The next Pullman owned streamlined Observation was actually a pair of articulated cars. The first of the articulated pair was a 14 single room 2 double Bedroom articulated sleeping car named ADVANCE. The ADVANCE"S articulated running mate was the PROGRESS a 3 Double Bedroom 1 Compartment Buffet 19 seat Lounge 10 seat Lounge Observation. The pair delivered to Pullman-by-Pullman Standard in August 1936.
For their first regular assignment beginning in June 1937 the cars were renamed and painted in the Pullman two tone Gray scheme. The new names they would carry for the rest of their operational lives were as follows.

BEAR FLAG originally ADVANCE
CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC originally PROGRESS

They were than assigned to the FORTY-NINER between Chicago and San Francisco running opposite the CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO. The FORTY NINER began service July 8, 1937 and was discontinued July 26, 1941replaced by a second CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO train set.
Next regular assignment for the articulated pair was to one of the two ARIZONA LIMITED consists for the second and final season this train operated between Chicago and Phoenix. This seasonal train operated from December 1941 to April 1942 its second and final season.
Next regular assignment for the pair was in 1950 as temporary wreck replacement for a CITY OF LOS ANGELES observation.
Finally in August 1956 the articulated pair were retired and scrapped by Pullman.

ARTICULATED 14 DUPLEX SINGLE ROOM 2 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard August 1936 Plan: 4050 Lot: 6478 (Built for and assigned to Pullman Pool)

ADVANCE
Later renamed
BEAR FLAG

ARTICULATED 3 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT BUFFET 19 SEAT LOUNGE 10 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Swallow - Tailed)
Pullman Standard August 1936 Plan: 4051A Lot: 6478 (Built for and assigned to Pullman Pool)

PROGRESS
Later renamed CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC

Pullman Standard next delivered AMERICAN MILEMASTER to Pullman in time for the New York World's Fair of 1939. Pullman Standard completed the car in April 1939 and immediately readied it for the fair. This car had an interior that featured 2 Double Bedrooms 1 Compartment 1 drawing Room Buffet 19 seat Lounge 8 seat Lounge Observation.
First regular assignment for AMERICAN MILEMASTER after the fair was to one of the two consists of the All Pullman All Room Winter only ARIZONA LIMITED train sets between Chicago and Tucson-Phoenix. The AMERICAN MILEMASTER only operated in the ARIZONA LIMITED its first winter of operation. In September 1941 the AMERICAN MILEMASTER was transferred to the Southern Pacific for operation in one of the LARK consists after that trains nearly identical Observation 400 was wrecked. In December 1941 AMERICAN MILEMASTER became SP 2nd 400. It remained in SP service for the rest of its operational service life.

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 19 SEAT LOUNGE 8 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Swallow - Tailed Pullman Standard April 1939 Plan: 4082 Lot: 6597 (Built for and assigned to Pullman Pool)

AMERICAN MILEMASTER

A twin to AMERICAN MILEMASTER was constructed by Pullman Standard in June 1940 and named MUSKINGUM RIVER. The only difference being that MUSKINGGUM RIVER used stainless steel in its construction.
The MUSKINGUM RIVER was assigned to one consist of the ARIZONA LIMITED for both the 1940 - 41 winter season and 1941 - 42 winter season.
As soon as the second and final season of the ARIZONA LIMITED was completed the MUSKINGUM RIVER joined its twin the former AMERICAN MILEMASTER operating on the rear of the other LARK consist after SP Observation 401 was wrecked and scrapped. In June 1943 MUSKINGUM RIVER was numbered SP 2nd 401.

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM! COMPARTMENT 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 19 SEAT LOUNGE 8 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Swallow - Tailed Pullman Standard June 1940 Plan: 4082 Lot: 6608 (Built for and assigned to Pullman Pool)

MUSKINGUM RIVER

The last Pullman owned streamlined Observation was the Dome Lounge Observation built for the 1947 GM TRAIN OF TOMORROW. Each of the TRAIN OF TOMORROW'S four cars was an Astra Dome. Their was a Dome Coach, Dome Dining Car, Dome Sleeping Car and the Dome Lounge Observation. The cars were finished in Cor-Ten steel with fluted stainless panels below the windows and the letter board. Each cars was named with the Astra Dome Lounge Observation receiving the name MOON GLOW. Interior of the MOON GLOW featured 24 seats in the Dome. On the main level of the car the forward section ahead of the dome was 13 seat Lounge. Below the Dome was a 10 seat Lounge area and the cars Bar. In a small private nook behind the stairs to the dome was a desk with one chair. The rear Observation end of the main floor featured another Lounge area with seating for 21. The rear of the Observation was rounded with an emergency door centered in the rear.
In September 1950 the entire TRAIN OF TOMORROW was purchased by the UP and after repainting in Omaha the cars were assigned to UP trains 457 and 458 operating between Portland and Seattle round trip daily.
After being rebuilt for mid-train operation in 1959 the 9015 as the MOON GLOW was numbered operated in one of the CITY OF DENVER train sets.
All four cars were retired in the early 1960's by the UP and sold to a scrapper in Pocatello, Idaho.
Fortunately the former MOON GLOW was rescued from the scrap pile by a Railroad Historical Society group out of Ogden, Utah. It is hoped the car will be rebuilt to a Dome Lounge Car when funds are available.

24 SEAT ASTRA DOME 44 SEAT BUFFET LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Round) Pullman Standard May 1947 (Built for and assigned to GM TRAIN OF TOMORROW)

MOON GLOW

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #78

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the PULLMAN COMPANY

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . GO PULLMAN . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
THE SAFEST, MOST COMFORTABLE WAY OF GOING PLACES FAST!



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Pullman Company

The Pullman Palace Car Company, owned by George Pullman, manufactured railroad cars in the mid to late 1800s through the early decades of the 20th century, during the boom of railroads in the United States. Pullman developed the sleeping car which carried his name into the 1980s.


Pullman car exterior



Pullman car interior


History


A 1910 Pullman car which served as the Denver and Rio Grande Railroad Business Car 101, now restored as the Abraham Lincoln.

George Pullman was inspired by an overnight train ride from Buffalo to Westfield, New York to design an improved passenger railcar. He established his company in 1867 and built luxury sleeping cars which featured carpeting, draperies, upholstered chairs, libraries and card tables and an unparalleled level of customer service.

Once a household name due to their large market share, the Pullman Company is also known for the bitter Pullman Strike staged by their workers and union leaders in 1893. During an economic downturn, Pullman reduced hours and wages but not rents leading to the strike. Workers joined the American Railway Union, led by Eugene V. Debs.

After George Pullman's death in 1898, Robert Todd Lincoln, son of Abraham Lincoln became company president. The company closed its factory in the Pullman neighborhood in 1957.

Pullman purchased the Standard Steel Car Company in 1930 amid the Great Depression, and the merged entity was known as Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company. The company ceased production after the Amtrak Superliner cars in 1982 and its remaining designs were purchased in 1987 when it was absorbed by Bombardier.

Company town


Pullman town

The company built a company town, Pullman, on 4,000 acres (16 km²) just south of the city limits of Chicago in 1880. The town, entirely company-owned, provided housing, markets, a library, churches and entertainment for the 6,000 company employees and an equal number of dependents. One employee is quoted as saying "We are born in a Pullman house, fed from the Pullman shops, taught in the Pullman school, catechized in the Pullman Church, and when we die we shall go to the Pullman Hell". Alcohol was prohibited in the town, as George Pullman found it a disdainful habit for his workers; though it was available in the company's Florence Hotel, primarily for the benefit of the hotel guests, but was generally too expensive for laborers.

In 1898, the Illinois Supreme Court required the company to sell off the town which was annexed into the city of Chicago. Today, Pullman is a City, State and National Landmark District with an integrated population that has a strong drive towards restoration of this unique district.

Porters


Pullman porter

They are also remembered for the Pullman Porters, attendants of the sleeping cars. The Pullman Company hired African Americans for this position. While still a menial job in many respects, it offered better pay and security than most jobs open to African Americans at the time, in addition to a chance for travel, and was a well regarded job in the African-American community of the time. Pullman porters were unionized in the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters under A. Philip Randolph. It should also be noted that the Pullman company was the largest African American employer in the U.S.


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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house, and $ for the jukebox.

Where to begin?
White Pass and Yukon material is first-rate. Again as others said, on my "to do" list. This historical pictures were fascinating - hats off to their B&B dept. Also liked the snowplow photos.

BK and LARS - Thanks for including the pictures

AL: The roster has been downloaded

ROB: PNC - I used to see a lot of their stuff around, but, as you suggested, they disappeared from the r/b business.

BK: Enjoyed the Pullman encore; safe travels.

In the Official Guide, WP&Y was always toward the back of the book, generally right after the entry for the Alaska RR.

Check this out re WP&Y freight service in 1969. They don't write like this any more......

"The White Pass and Yukon Route now offers complete year-round weekly freight service to and from the Yukon and Northern BC via the MV Frank H. Brown and the MV Klondike sailing weekly from Vancouver to Skagway, Alaska, where the WP&Y connection is made for delivery to Whitehorse. From Whitehorse all other points are served by trucking including Dawson City, Mayo, and the Alaska Highway. This service features containerized freight designed for easy handling and minimum loss to shippers as well as door-to-door service. Heated and refrigerated containers are available as required. The economy of handling results in substantial savings to the customer. All-inclusive tariff rates have been developed for easy calculation of total transportation costs. For full information consult your nearest White Psss and Yukon Sales and Service representative."

Incidentally, the WP&Y's traffic reps were in Seattle, Vancouver, White Horse, Dawson, and Watson Lake.

I'll try and check back a little later.

work safe

[BudKarr]

Good Morning Captain Tom and all assembled!

I have found myself some free time this early morning and thought perhaps my contribution for an ENCORE! would be appropriate since we will be departing shortly for our trip.

First though, barkeep set 'em up and early risers have a drink on me![tup]

Here is one of my earlier attempts (from page 146 on Oct 25th) which today I will call an ENCORE!

A Man Named Pullman

There are volumes that have been written about George Mortimer Pullman (1831-1897) and the long lasting contributions his innovativeness of the railroad car and management of them made to North American railroading. Some highlights are in order:

(1) Born into a Brockton, NY family of farmers and mechanics in 1831, it is appropriate to state that he was NOT the inventor of the sleeping car. That distinction, according to history, goes to the Cumberland Valley Railroad, who began operation of those types of cars several years before Pullman’s birth.

(2) His first venture into the adult world was as a cabinet maker, turned contractor. The latter brought him to Chicago where he met a man named Benjamin Field, who would become a long time partner and associate in the rail car management, design and operation business.

(3) The first railroad to adopt the Pullman-Field approach to sleeping cars was the Chicago, Alton & St. Louis Railroad in 1859 when they accepted the offer to have two of their coaches remodeled into sleepers.

(4) In 1865, the largest and most costly car of the day was built by Pullman himself, appropriately named the Pioneer for the westward expansion of the railroads to the Pacific Coast. This car had the distinction of costing $20 thousand, about 5 times the cost of a coach, had 16 wheels, and 12 sections of sleeper units. IT was longer, wider and higher than the standard coaches of the day. In fact the Pioneer was used in President Lincoln’s funeral consist and required the stations along the way to make structural changes to their platforms in order to accommodate the passing train! The Pioneer was credited with having the first fold down berths, and while perhaps not the most luxurious in design and accommodations, was at least as well appointed.

(5) By the end of 1866, every major railroad serving Chicago signed on the Pullman-Field sleeping car operation. Field decided that Pullman was better off on his own, and stepped aside.

(6) Early in the 1870s, 800 of Pullman’s cars operated over 30,00 miles of track in an association between his company and the ACL, CRI&P, DL&W, MP, NP, AT&SF and SP. It was to be that Pullman’s “Empire” would buy up the contracts of the association railroads, thereby providing him with the sole access desired.

(7) Upon his untimely death in 1897, the heirs of the family took over and moved forward with the innovations many take for granted even to this day:

(a) PULLMAN 12-1: Usually this heavyweight trailed the streamlined consist – with the exception of a heavyweight lounge car midway in the string. The car was a 12 section, 1 drawing room Pullman rather common back in the 40’s.

(b) PULLMAN SECTION SLEEPER: Provided the most basic in terms of sleeping accommodations for the first class traveler. This arrangement may be posed an awkward situation for some, as complete strangers wound up sharing the unit. The protocol was passengers who purchased the upper-berths were obliged to sit in the rearward facing seats during daytime travel, whereas the lower berths entitled the passengers to the forward facing ones. The upper berth was without windows, and was accessed by a ladder. Heavy, dark curtains provided privacy for the sleepers in each unit.

(c) THE ROOMETTE: A 1937 innovation provided the privacy and space demanded by the traveling public. These were smaller than double bedrooms, but much more affordable for the single traveler. By day, there was a wide, plush seat with a toilet facility. At night, the bed folded out of the wall, covering the toilet, but gave a window level, wall to wall, bed. This accommodation became the most popular following the end of WWII.

(d) THE DOUBLE BEDROOM: This was the choice for traveling couples. With two beds, two collapsible day chairs and a fully accessible toilet (at all times), a cozy environment was provided for the train travelers. There were two types: (1) a couch that folded into a bed, crosswise to the rails, with a second bed folded down from the ceiling. (2) Then there were the fold down bunks parallel to the rails.

(e) MASTER BEDROOM: Some referred to this as a “cousin” to the Drawing Room. Both featured three beds, but the difference was the fully enclosed shower in the Master Bedroom. The bunk beds were perpendicular to the rails, whereas the third bed was at window level and parallel to them.

(f) PULLMAN RESTAURANT CAR: In the 1930s, Pullman converted many heavyweights into “Parlour – restaurant” or “restaurant-sleeper” cars. This was done to supplement the operating railroad’s usually full dining cars. Pullman’s own employees were assigned to these cars and they quickly became the “car of choice” for Pullman travelers. Elegance in dining was commonplace at these tables.

(8) THE END: The Pullman Company ceased collecting money and staffing cars after December 31, 1968. Shortly thereafter the maintenance for the cars ended, thereby leaving the host railroads with a choice: staff them on their own, or discontinue the sleepers.

POST SCRIPT: There is so much not said within this submission about this fine company. Those who created it, nurtured it and operated it have a place in railroad lore, just as well as those who staffed and maintained those wonderful Pullmans of days gone by.


Enjoy your weekend![tup]

BK in beautiful Alberta, Canada's high country!

[siberianmo]

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FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


Friday [yeah]! Great way to begin the day is right here with a cuppa Joe – some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and if you’re really hungry, try our <light> or <traditional> breakfasts from the Menu Board![tup]


Daily Wisdom

A man can learn a heap of things if he keeps his ears washed[swg]


”Our” Place” ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION is Wednesday, April 12th!


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear – Great Northern Railway (GN) arrives next Tuesday!

* Weekly Calendar:

TODAY: Pizza Nite & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 05:18:17 (283) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 07:54:35 (283) Something Special – Ad

(3) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 08:51:10 (283) Inclusive Post, etc.

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 10:00:01 (283) Little Known Operating RRs #1 – WPY

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 11:27:47 (283) Comments

(6) BudKarr BK Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 13:20:45 (283) The BK Report & 4 pix!

(7) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 14:35:15 (283) The Lars Report & 4 Pix!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 14:47:30 (283) WPY URL (map)

(9) passengerfan Al Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 15:13:48 (283) WPY info

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 16:20:17 (283) Acknowledgments & Comments

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 23:42:29 (284) Inclusive Post!

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 00:02:13 (284) Classic Index, ver 6

(13) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 00:23:54 (284) Classic Diesels #14 – Loco Rebuilders



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Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, March 19th thru 25th: Midnight Run (1988) starring: Robert De Niro, Charles Grodin & Yaphet Kotto – and - The Greatest Show on Earth (1952) starring: Betty Hutton, Cornel Wilde & Charlton Heston. SHORT: Hello Pop (1933).

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!



THINK April 12th –
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[trolleyboy]

Good evening again.Leon if you could be so good as to pour a round of Keith's I'll be at this next bit of business.

CLASSIC DIESELS #14 LOCOMOTIVE REBUILDERS PT 1 PNC

Precision National Corporation or PNC

As I mentioned before , many railways undertook, extensive capitol rebuild programs of older diesel power, for tax write off purposes and to rebuild usefull older locomotives, ther by extending their operational lives.However some railways did not possess the shop facilities or manpower to do this so several companies have formed to do this for them. Precision National was one such, originally they were a locomotive reseller scrapper, they then formed a partnership with IC / ICG to help them find locomotives for rebuilding. Today PNC goes it alone as the partnership no longer exists and IC ghad sold the Paducah shops to another rebuilder. Today PNC does their rebuilding out of their own shop facility in Mount Vernon, ILL. thought at a much reduced level from the heyday of their involvement with IC in the 70's .


Precision Engineering Company began operation in 1931 as a rebuilder of diesel crankshafts. In 1960 it aquired Ford's Auto-Lite plant in Mount Vernon, and created a locomotive division. They became a broker,rebuilder,and shortterm lessor of used locomotives. In 1969 it changed it's name to Precision National Corp, and in 1971 they entered a partnership with Illinois Cental for rebuilding locomotives at IC's Paducah shops.

For minor reconditioning work PNC continued to use it's own Mt Vernon facility.For example work on 40 Conrail units in 1979 was split 30 to Paducah and 10 to Mt Vernon.The rebuilds have all been nicknamed Paducah's no matter which facility turned them out.

PNC's work at Paducah ended in 1979 after they turned out a last order of GP11's for The Clinchfield.PNC still leeases and brokers used loco's today,however they don't underytake large rebuilding orders anymore. small batches and refurbishmnets and maintenance on their leas fleet are the norm nowaday's.


Rob

[trolleyboy]

Hello Time for another update[^]

THE CLASSIC INDEX VER 6


CLASSIC JUICE

#1 The London and Port Stanley RY L&PS pg# 116
#2 The Niagara St Catharines & Toronto RY NS&T pg# 123
#3 The Montreal and Southern Counties MS&C pg# 131
#4 The Brantford & Hamilton RY B&H pg# 134
#5 The Berlin and Waterloo Street Railway B&WSR pg# 142
#6 The Nearside Car pg# 146
#7 The Peter Witt Story pg# 148
#8 The PCC Car pg# 157
#9 The Nippissing Central N&C RY pg# 140
#10 The Safety Car pg# 162
#11 CNR Electric Lines pg# 163
#12 The Toronto Civic Railway TCR pg# 180
#13 The TCR Cars pg # 180
#14 The Toronto Suburban Railway TSR pg# 211
#15 Canadian Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders pg# 212
#16 US Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders ( that built for Canada ) pg# 217
#17 The Grand River Railway GRR pg# 223
#18 The Lake Erie and Northern Railway LE&N pg# 224
#19 The British Columbia Electric Railway BCER pg# 225
#20 Incline Railways of Hamilton pg# 242
#21 Pre History of the TTC pt1 pg#248
#22 Pre History of the TTC pt2 pg#249
#23 Pre History of the TTC pt3 pg#250



CLASSIC STEAM * NEW NAME

#1 Huntsville Sub pg# 159
#2 Alliston Sub pg# 163
#3 Strathroy sub pg# 165
#4 Niagara Falls Passenger Trains pg# 170
#5 Passenger Trains on Brampton & Thorndale Subs pg # 170
#6 The " Roustabout " pg# 176
#7 Passenger trains to Palmerston pg# 182
#8 Southern On railmap pg# 183
#9 Speacial Frieghts on The Niagara Frontier pg# 191
#10 Speacial Freights on The Niagara Frontier Pt 2 pg# 191
#11 Passenger Train Profiles PT 1 pg# 198
#12 Passenger Train Profiles PT 2 pg# 198
#13 The Formation of The CNR pg# 218
#14 The CSR's ST Clair Branch pg# 226
#15 History of CNR Passenger Service pg# 250
#16 Southern RY Steam Program pg# 276 *new
#17 The Stratford & Huron RY pg# 279 *new
#18 The Toronto Grey & Bruce RY pg# 281 *new



CLASSIC CANADIAN ADS

#1 TH&B Doodlebug Ad for EMC pg# 153
#2 National Geographic Ad for CNR Circa 1929 pg# 209
#3 CNR Hotels Ad Circa 1932 pg# 209
#4 The Empire Express pg# 251
#5 CN Super Continental Ad pg# 270 *new
#6 CNR / GTR 1941 System Ad pg# 270 *new


CLASSIC DIESEL BARN

#1 Southern Pacific Roster pg#254
#2 NA Diesel Manufacturer's Pt 1pg # 254
#3 NA Diesel Manufacturer's Pt 2pg # 256
#4 NA Diesel Manufacturer's Pt 3pg # 259
#5 Northern Pacific in 1960 pg # 260
#6 BC Rail Tumbler Division pg # 262
#7 BC Rail Locomotive Roster c1993 pg # 262
#8 The CF7 Story pg # 263
#9 Seaboard Railroad Freight Ops pg # 268
#10 HBRY Port of Churchill pg# 278 *new
#11 D&RGW Locomotive Roster pg# 282 *new
#12 ICG GEEP Rebuilding pg# 283 *new
#13 C&NW GEEP Rebuilding pg# 283 *new
#14 Precision National ( locomotive rebuildres PT 1 ) pg# 284 *new

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon,A good belt of CR and some of the haddock if you please sir.

Tom first off I recieved your email and have responded back to you sir.[tup] Nice pick for the first obscure road,nice to see that the bookends were able to contribute some fine pictures to the story as well. I didn't find any relevant stuff to add beyond what you and the boys contributed,save one. Anyone interested I do believe that pentrex made a trip north a did some filming on the Whitepass. The new widecab narrow guage alco's that were sold to US Gysum also made it onto one of pentrex's Those amazing alco's videos as well. Volume three I believe.


Lars nice photo's sir[tup] The wooden cars remind me off some of the turn of the century interurban cars built in Canada and the US. Of coarse it was the same decades that they were built. It is one of those destinations that I do want to get too one of these years,the territories and NFLD are the only parts of Canada I have not yet visited. I figure that i have some tome though.[:D][swg]

BK Good to see you back sir ![tup] Thanks for the mention of reading my latest attempts at information,it's good to know that things are at least read.Thanks for your latest photographic contributions as well. Seems like your intended and yourself may bewriting a railroad book soon [;)]. IOt's good to have a mate that will let and help you indulge,I'm luckey in that my wife is very interested in trains and traction as well. she hasn't started researching or proofreading my contributions yet though.[swg] Have a safe journey, we will keep things a humming here for Tom. and I shall amke sure that Boris keeps your stool polished as well.

CM3 Thanks for the additional rebuilder info. As I've been reading along in my various books etc. I have noticed that a great deal of railroads indulged in steam rebuilding as well. CP rebuilt several articulated locomotives that were less than satisfactory performers inti rather large 0-10-0 transfer locomotives. They also built several hundred ten wheelers and a beleive some ligth pacigics in their Angus shops, some as late as the early to mid 40's.I think that IC / ICG will win the prize as most prolific remanufacter,not only did they rebuild geeps and steam they also rebuilt sd24's and many yard switchers. Union pacific had quite the switcher rebuilding program going as well their SW10's built from all old SW7's 9's TR4's etc.

You can still by the Suydam kits ( some anyway ) They are manufactured under Alpine Scale Models name now. from what I understood alot of their prototype was Pacific Electric, and some of the Chicago area Interurban lines. Certainly a great deal of their brass imports were of those companies.

Al See you can do stuff other than streamliners,[swg] good info as always, don't be such a stranger !


Rob

[siberianmo]

Good Afternoon!

Not a bad day at the “Feast or Famine Bar ‘n Grill” with some surprises in the form of Posts supportive o my new series, Little Known Operating Railroads. Really didn’t expect to see anything more than some comments. Many THANX to those of you who took the time and made the effort to add to the idea![tup][tup][tup]

Kinda strange starting off a day without having barndad Doug follow my SUMMARY. Don’t miss the joke, but miss the reading exercise![swg] Or do I have that backwards[?]

The morning did get into gear once coalminer3 CM3 arrived with his round for the house, quarters for Herr Wurlitzer’s Coal Scuttle and entertaining Post full of good cheer and good stuff![tup][tup][tup] Sorry that we won’t be seeing you ‘til Monday.[tdn]

Many THANX to BK ‘n Lars our “bookends”for the Pix! So what if some don’t enlarge, they surely added quite a bit to the flavor of it all. Good job guys![tup][tup][tup] You will also be missed, BK but the nice thing is we know you’ll come back! Have a safe and enjoyable trip. I agree with you both about the WPY it must be one terrific trip and experience. I have a friend who made the round trip 2 years ago and he still raves about it. The guy isn’t a “train nut” at all, and in fact when I heard that he and his wife were taking a cruise to Alaska and staying a couple of weeks on their own, I “pushed” them into the trip to Fairbanks and the WPY. Now he’s always looking for a rail adventure.

Appreciate the info from 20 Fingers Al – and quite frankly it didn’t surprise me at all that you’d have stuff on the narrow gauge White Pass & Yukon Route. Why not[?] There’s not a passenger train in North America that has or had a chance of escaping your clutches![swg]

I should also make mention of trolleyboy Rob’s late nite Posts – those were and are appreciated as well! Problem is that as more info “piles up” and the page gets more full, well – outta sight, outta mind! Sorry.[swg] By the by, got your Email and responded to same. Thanx!

Last call:SOME PIX ARE NEEDED! If anyone would like some of their RR Pix Posted this Sunday, send them to me by Email attachments (no more than 4 at a time, please). Really running low on material for Sunday Photo Posting Day! THANX!

Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!


Later![tup]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

May me look for this but it is all the onformation I have on the WP&Y just thought I would toss it in. See I do look for passenger information besides just streamlined cars.

WHITE PASS
&
YUKON
Parlor Cars
by Al

The WP&Y a 3' narrow gauge railway operating out of Skagway Alaska never owned a lightweight streamlined Parlor Car or any other passenger car for that matter. But the road had one U.S. and one Canadian Manufacturer build nine 16 seat Parlor cars to a turn of the century design that are included in this book simply because I liked them.
As this is written all nine have been rebuilt to coaches but while they were Parlor cars they were among some of the classiest ever built.

16 REVENUE SEAT NARROW GAUGE PARLOR CAR Pacific Car & Foundry May 1938 (Built for WP&Y Railway)

256 LAKE LaBARGE

16 REVENUE SEAT NARROW GAUGE PARLOR CARS Coast Steel Fabricators Limited April - May 1968 (Built for the WP&Y)

274 LAKE PRIMROSE

276 LAKE BIG SALMON

278 LAKE FAIRWEATHER

280 LAKE DEASE

16 REVENUE SEAT NARROW GAUGE PARLOR CARS Coast Steel Fabricators Limited April - May 1976 (Built for the WP&Y)

282 LAKE KLUKSHA

284 LAKE TAKAHINI

286 LAKE KUSAWA

288 LAKE McCLINTOCK

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

G'day!

I see we've had a few customers with something to say . . . I'll get to the acknowledgments a bit later on.[tup] Good to see y'all![swg]

That map of the White Pass & Yukon Route (WPY) that I Posted didn't enlarge and I'm surprised. So here's a URL to click on, really worth the "view"

http://www.wpyr.com/multimedia/routemap.html

Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[LoveDomes]

G’day Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

What a great choice for the first in your new series – The White Pass & Yukon Route![yeah] This narrow gauge railroad is most probably a little known operating road, but everyone who has traveled it comes back with accolades regarding the experience. Definitely something on my “list” of things to do! Nice work, Tom and very much appreciated. A 5-[tup] Salute to you Sir! [tup][tup][tup][tup][tup]

Check out these pix from a site I found with NO restrictions regarding their use [wow]!!


WPY diner Yukon River (Bruce Pryor collection)





WPY coach Lake Black (1997) (Bruce Pryor collection)




WPY coach Lake Black w/cupola (Bruce Pryor collection)





WPY coach Lake Linderman (1997) (Bruce Pryor collection)



Ok, I’ll take one of those great hero sandwiches – ham, swiss, mustard & buttAH, 2 large pickles from the barrel and a pitcher of SchaefAH beer – got a thirst (again!). Here’s a ten spot for a round, whenever the assembled crew shows up.

Greetings to all, especially my “bookend” BK who I noted “beat me in” once again![swg]

Tom Got your email and will see what I can come up with. I’ll send it to you B4 posting, just to make sure no wires get crossed.


Enjoy the pix![tup]

Until the next time!

Lars

[BudKarr]

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and all assembled!


Let me be the second to compliment you on a fine job with your new series![tup] That is a rail line that I never knew existed. But for me, there are hundreds on this continent that I never heard of.[swg] Good show![tup]

I am a bit short on time, so I must get right to the contribution that my bride to be put together. She is really “into” the research and it helps quite a bit to have someone not only able, but willing to help.

Oh, before I fall victim to the terrible tweets! let me order a Southern Comfort on the rocks, a half sandwich of roast beef, swiss, mayo, lettuce & tomato. Better change that drink to a large mug of Keiths![swg]

While it may appear that the numbers of people providing information has fallen off, I assure you that the quality and volume has not! I devoted a considerable amount of my morning in playing catch up and must say that it was all good reading.[tup] Sir Barndad – Sir Rob – Sir Coalminer – Sir passengerfan – Sir Lars – and of course, Captain Tom kept and keep everything flowing quite well. I thoroughly enjoyed the “theme” on Tuesday, another good selection![tup] And the participation was surprising too! The hobby submissions are keeping the idea that Sir Ted came up with “alive.” I too have exhausted my resources, and will have to sit out the next one or three.

Regarding that idea of Lars’ for the first year anniversary contact list, count me in. Although at this moment, I am not certain we will be here on the 12th of next month. Nevertheless, I will do my part to help get a fallen member back on board, if only for the day. Good idea.[tup]

I must come down on the ‘side’ of Lars when it comes to his observations of the annoyances on the forums and from time to time on this thread. But, rather than beat a dead horse, I will just let it go at that.

We will be departing tomorrow for another trip south. This time I expect we will be gone for at least 4 days. So let these photos of mine “count” for Sunday![swg]


These photos most probably will not enlarge and will in all likelihood be like thumbnails. They were obtained from a tourism site with no prohibitions regarding their use.

CLICK this one!












A round on me! Hope you all have an enjoyable weekend!

BK in beautiful Alberta, Canada’s high country!

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Just finished the WP&Y article it was great. It's on my list of things to do.

Just took a short break from the offioce will check in later.

TTFN Al