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[coalminer3]

Good Afternoon: Coffee, please; round for the house, and $ for the music machine. We'll play Flatt and Scruggs' "Boys From Tennessee." Lovely day here, 18 degrees this a.m., snow, clouds, and clear - sometimes all at once.

I can relate to what our esteemed proprietor says abt. dog wrangling. I have 2 beasts that I deal with; they do keep things hopping.

I have been enjoying the posts on Canada and all points.

The C&O, as some may already know connected with both the CN and the CP.

CN connections were at
Chatham, ON
Detroit (via GTW)
St. Thomas, ON via (L&PS)
Sarnia, ON
Walkerville, ON

Canadian Pacific connections were at
Chatham, ON
Detroit
St. Thomas, IN (via L&PS and MC)
Sarnia, ON
Walkerville, ON

C&O stations on the Sarnia-Erieau Line included
Sarna
Corunna
Courtright
MCRR Jct.
Sombra
Port Lambton
Wallaceburg
Tupperville
Dresden
Ennett
Eberts
Darrell
Chatham
Richardson
Fargo
Blenheim Jct.
Onion Spur
Erieau
Total mileage was 70.9

Following stations were in the 1.6 mile long Walkerville Jct. - Windsor Sub
Walkerville Jct.
Windsor

Here is the Walkerville - St. Thomas Line; total mileage 126.6

Walkerville
Walkerville Jct.
Pelton
Oldcastle
Paquette
McGregor
New Canaan
HArrow
Arner
Kingsville
Ruthven
Viney
Leamington
Wheatley
Renwick
Coatwirth
Stevenson
Glenwood
Merlin
Cedar Springs
Blenheim
Risgetown
Highgate
Muirkirk
Rodney
W. Lorne
Dutton
Iona
Shedden
Middlemarch
Talbot Yd.
St. Thomas

Last is the St. Thomas - Suspension Bridge Line (via NYC)

St. Thomas
Yarmouth Cross
Aylmer
Sprigfield
Brownsville
Tilsenberg
Hawtrey
LASalette
Windham
Waterford Pit
Waterford
Villa Nova
Hagersville
Edward
Canfield
E&O Crossing
Perry
Welland
Montrose
Montrose Jct.
Niagara Falls (last station in ON)
Suspension Bridge (East End)
NYC Yards

Source for this is a 1957-era C&O station book I found in the vault.

As for the induction ceremnoy - thanks to everyone - the poolroom was certainly appropriate.

I'll be offline for a few days; road trip and visit to the WNY train show in Buffalo, weather permitting.

Have a good Thanksgiving.

work safe

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for Coffee and a couple of those diet pastries from the Mentor Bakery.

Thought I would throw in a train history from time to time and see if it will create any interest.

I will start with the ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKET of the CRI&P.
They operated as Rock Island trains 7 & 8 operating overnight between Chicago and Denver/Colorado Springs 1072.8 miles in 17 hours 25 minutes.

Running west from Chicago on November 12, 1939 the same date that the new NYC MERCURY departed Chicago eastbound the Rock Island inaugurated new diesel powered streamliners the ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKETS.
Actually the new trains required two sets of equipment with one one operating eastbound each night and the other westbound each night. The new ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKET was a double destination train at its western end serving both Denever and Colorado springs from Chicago. The train split at Limon , Colorado westbound in the mornings and was reasembled at the same point each afternoon for the eastbound trip to Chicago.

Both Budd and Pullman Standard manufactured new cars for the seven car ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKETS in stainless steel finish. Budd constructed the new ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKETS Baggage, Railway Post Office 44-Seat Coach Combinations, 52-Revenue Seat Coaches and the 32-Seat dining 16-Seat Lounge Cars.
Pullman Standard constructed the four sleeping cars and two Sleeping Lounge Observations.
Initial power for the new ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKET streamliners was single EMC E3A developing 2,000 hp between Chicago and Denver. The Rock Island operated a steam locomotive for the Limon-Colorado Springs section of the new trains.
Two cars the 30'Railway Post Office 44-Revenue Seat Coach Combination and the 8-Section 2-Compartment 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping car were through Chicago - Colorado Springs cars.
Later as the number of cars increased the Rock Island would order custom built B units with a cab and baggage compartment from EMD to power the Colorado Springs section of the ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKETS. These became the powere for the Limon - Colorado Springs sections of the trains. The units operated through from Chicago to Limon as the trailing unit and from that point to Colorado springs they led that section of the train. These EMD AB units as they were designated entered serviuce in June 1940. This was at the same time a Kansas City-Denver section of the ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKET was added and deleted at Belleville, Kansas.
The cars for the new Kansas City - Denver Section were 308 DREAM LAKE a 52-Seat Coach and Pullman pool 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car CASCADE MILLS in one Diorectiuon while the other two cars operaing eastbound on alternating night were 311 JAMES PEAK a 52-seat Coach and Pullman Pool 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car CASCADE SHOALS.
The two CASCADE Pullman Pool Sleeping cars were soon replaced by Rock Island owned 8-Section 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping cars FOREST CANYON and THOMPSON CANYON delivered by P/S in November 1940.
The Kansas City cars were joined the westbound ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKET at at Belleville, Kansas having operated as a separate train from Kansas City. Eastbound the ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKY set out the two Kansas City bound cars at Belleville to be forwarded as a separate train from that point to Kansas City. The eastbound Kansas City Sleeping car space was sold as Parlor car space as the ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKET operated as a daytime schedule to that point. The nightly westbound sleeper space was sold as sleeping car space. The Rock Island never able to compete with the Union Pacific on the Kansas City - Denver run dropped the Kansas City section of the ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKET in September 1943.

CONSIST ONE
625 EMC E3A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

850 Baggage Car

375 MESA VERDE 30'Railway Post Office 44-Revenue Seat Coach

309 BEAR LAKE 52-Revenue Seat Coach

420 MOUNT EVANS 32-Seat Dining 12-Seat Lounge Car

650 ODESSA LAKE 10-Section 4-Roomette Sleeping Car

610 GARDEN OF THE GODS 8-Section 2-Compartment 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

476 PHANTOM VALLEY 5-Double Bedroom Buffet 9-Seat Cocktail Lounge 17-Seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST TWO

626 EMC E3A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

851 Baggage Car

376 PIKES PEAK 30'Railway Post Office 44-Revenue Seat Coach

310 LONGS PEAK 52-Revenue Seat Coach

421 CENTENNIAL 32-Seat dining 12-Seat Lounge Car

651 LAWN LAKE 10-Section 4-Roomette Sleeping Car

611 GRAND MESA 8-Section 2-Compartment 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

477 THUNDER MOUNTAIN 5-Double Bedroom Buffet 9-Seat Cocktail Lounge 17-Seat Lounge Observation

In April 1947 two new 68 revenue seat coaches were added to the ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKET pool 333 DENVER and 334 COLORADO SPRINGS.

In December 1954 four new sleeping cars with 8-Roomettes and 6-Double Bedrooms were added to the ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKET pool of cars they were 630 AIR FORCE ACADEMY, 631 THE BROADMOOR, 632 RAMPART RANGE and 633 TURQUOISE SKY.

In 1963 the westbound ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKET and GOLDEN STATE were combined between Chicago and Rock Island.

In 1966 the ROCKY MOUNTAIn ROCKET was discontinued no longer able to compete with the VISTA DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS or CITY OF DENVER trains.

If the guys like the write up will try an add one or two weekly new trains once school is finished in the next couple of weeks.

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this ad out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956) [located on the inside of the front cover]

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Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

CHECK THE MONDAY SUMMARY and INDEX PAGES FOR MORE GREAT NOSTALGIA POSTS!

[siberianmo]

G’day!

Okay Cindy take a break for lunch …. Oh, Leon already spelled you for a bit … well, take another break. You’ve earned it. Leon ‘n Boris are out back [?] Oh, they are trying to “potty train” Tex the Armadillo, eh [?] That certainly should be an interesting sight! I think I’ll pass …… [swg]

What a difference a day makes – so the song goes – no comparison with yesterday whatsoever. I saw several of our customer’s cyber names popping up – but NO Posts. A couple of Permanent Stools included – and that was a loooooooong time past. Hmmmmm. I don’t get it, and never will. Okay, on to something else ……

A couple of acknowledgments this afternoon:

coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 11:24:08

Nice Post, indeed! I didn’t have a clue regarding the C&O connections with CN ‘n CP. All kinds of things that I don’t know, and perhaps one positive aspect of that for me is that I freely admit it! [tup]

Another long break for ya, eh [?] We’ll miss seein’ ya at the bar, but one good thing is that you’ve provided us with plenty of quarters for Herr Wurtlitzer, the Juke to keep ‘er goin’ ‘till your return, which I presume will be the Monday after Thanksgiving. [wow] That IS a long hiatus. Didn’t we tell you that part of the requirements as a member of The Order of the Permanent Stools is to be in contact ‘round the clock [?] <Geesh> Did we err [?] [swg]

Thanx for the round and of course, the quarters! [tup]

Happy Thanksgiving to you CM3!

passengerfan Al Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 12:58:06

Your Post is well within the framework of what this cyber bar ‘n grill is based on – the Posting and discussions involving Classic Trains – while of course havin’ a bit of fun doin’ it. You “aced” the first part! [tup][tup]

I wonder how many guys recognized your use of the abbreviation EMC for the motive power [?] It was shortly after I got “hooked” on reading about trains that I “discovered’ the origin of EMC.

Born in Cleveland, OH in 1922 as the Electro-Motive Engineering Corporation (EMC). The company marketed gas electric motorcars to the railroads beginning in 1924, which were very economical for branch line traffic, compared to steam locos. By 1929, they built 7 distillate electric locos for the CRIP (Rock Island) and one year later were purchased by General Motors, to ultimately become the Electro-Mechanical Division (EMD), perhaps better known these days.

The Rock Island is a significant road to me, but moreso in today’s world than way back “when.”

The SP, who acquired the right-of-way through the bankruptcy of the “RI,” hauled coal along those tracks to a power plant in central Missouri. The UP who wound up with the SP continued on. No problems with the roadbed, tracks and other equipment when our group entered the mix.

As I have chronicled on these pages, there is a 25 mile stretch of right-of-way running from where I live, east to downtown that used to be all part of the “old RI Line,” as it is still referred to in these parts. A group that I co-founded was determined to get commuter rail on those track for service between West St. Louis County and the nearest connection to our light-rail system, known as MetroLink (as opposed to LA’s Metrolink).

Anyway, situational freight is operated along those tracks today by a local hauler. The portion of the track of interest was sold to a corporate “giant” who initially appeared very interested in our idea.

As I used to say now ‘n then, “Close is good enough only in hand grenades, horse shoes, atomic bombs and flatulence.” (didja catch that one, trolleyboy Rob [?] [swg]) Our group of approximately 400 citizens came “close,” but those in power prevailed. No commuter rail was to be for our community. Largely because THEY didn’t think of the idea.

So, that’s the connection I have with the “old Rock Island Line.” CRIP in these parts has entirely other definitions! [swg]


Cindy has the bar. Catch y’all later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


My nagging reminder to all! – When Posting, try not to check out immediately thereafter. Review your Post (wait for it to “come up” on the screen) and you just may find that there is another right before or after yours. Then hit the “Refresh” button. This works and prevents one from missing someone else’s timely input. You can always “edit” your submission to include commentary for the more recent “stuff.”

[jdonald]

Afternoon Tom & all.

Kind of cool here today so maybe a hot toddy is in order. (1 deg.C[yeah][yeah]for the metrically challenged thats 34F--Cx1.8+32=F) Any way one for the bartender and a round for the house.

Tom - about your alledged abrupt manner - I hadn't really noticed[;)]was that a snicker from cyber space?

Rob - Thanks for the info on the Sarnia-London route. Those Toronto-Chicago trains had some interesting operations. The change from steam to electric and back to steam at Sarnia-Port Huron was one-there was also an interesting operation at Hamilton. Eastbound trains stopped at Bayview Jct. and reversed back around the bay into the Hamilton Sta. They then continued back eastbound to Bayview and on to Toronto. Westbounds ran forward into Hamilton then backed to Bayview in order to continue on to Brantford, London etc. Would like to check out your area for a railfan trip-but this is my first winter in retirement and I think we will just huddle in the igloo for the duration of winter[:(](except for the odd trip to Tim Horton, The Beer Store and the LCBO and maybe the grocery store if necessary!) Maybe the spring time will bring renewed vigor.

CM3 - congrats on your induction into POOTS(I think) and thanks for the info on the C&O. It answered a lot of questions that I had been wondering about.

Nick - re the ONR - a search on Google.com showed a couple of websites that have a lot of pics & info from the 80's to present. They are onrgallery.com and ontrains.com. I was looking at a site one time that had pics of the ONR in the steam era, but can't find it now. Will keep looking.
re-the Big 4 and the early British Rail era-this looks like a real interesting time-would like to know more about it.

Pete - A question for you or maybe Nick regarding the Great Central Railway. There are 2 parts to it-are they affiliated in any way? I was talking to a man in the Rothley signalbox and I believe he said that they would join the 2 sections if they could build a bridge to cross over I think it was the ECML. No doubt to expensive a project for them to handle.

Guess I have rattled on enough for now.

Bye for now. Keep it on the rails.

[siberianmo]

G'day jdonald Don!

It appears that only you and I are at the bar. Oh, [yeah] Cindy has departed for the day! <groan> I could watch that gal walk all the day through ........ But I'm beginning to wonder why I feel that way! [swg] What's that THEY say about "the 2nd thing to go" [?] [swg] [:-,]

You seem to be quite comfortable 'round here and your Post appears as if you've been "with us" from the get-go. [tup] Didn't take you long at all.

I think your priorities are just a bit skewed - the beer store should be 1st. [swg] By the by, what's an "LCBO" [?] [%-)]

Just the mention of Tim Horton's makes me "home sick." We travel to Halifax to visit with family and friends at least once a year. Always have been going by Via Rail from Montreal (a bit over 15 years of that, which is 'nother story). Anyway, when staying in Bedford (on the basin) I ALWAYS walk up to the local Tim's joint for a cuppa Joe and a rendezvous with a friend or two. Great way to begin the day and as I said, this is ALWAYS part of my routine.

Regarding my manner - there simply are things in life that I will not tolerate: (1) warm beer, (2) wet toilet paper and (3) rude people. If people take issue with that, screw 'em all but six, and save those for Pall Bearers! (didja catch THAT one trolleyboy Rob [?] [swg])

Thanx for the round - Boris Ring it! I see the track gang has arrived and have overtaken the pool room (again) [:O]

Catch ya later!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good evening all and a special congratulations to CM3 for your promotion to the "Permanent Member of the Order of Stools."[tup][tup][tup] Certainly this was a well deserved and hard earned position. Please Skipper, a round for the house on this occasion.[^]

Gadfrey Tom, is Mentor Village about to expand into another suburban Shopping Center scenario? If so, perhaps there will be need of a an extention for a subway stop. Or, will "light" rail be an option? Any rate, Rob may have a feasible suggestion with surface rail after all, right Rob?[(-D] The volume of Posts has been incredible and a daunting task for staying "on top" of it all. It begs the question: "Should one be careful what one wishes for?[:O] Still, it is a preferable alternative to some of the more spare periods in the past.[^] Nick, Pete, Dave Klepper, and John round out the international set which is always a welcome addition.

After a period of review, it finally occured to me that I'm really not able to respond to many posts in that some are unfamiliar territory. On the other hand, at least that may be a break for easing the burden on an already "full plate" for those in attendance. Al, is never at a loss for his focus on trains and the "Rocky Mountain Rocket" is no exception.[tup] With this flurry of activity, I have been thouroughly content with ingesting a treasure trove of railroading operations and little known traces of mergers, ownerships and closures both in N. America and the U.K.[bow]

With correct portocal observed and accolades for all participants, it may be a good time for me to scroll back and "pick up the pieces" that I missed along the way.[:O] For now, I bid everyone a safe up coming weekend and trust you will find that "perfect bird" for next Thursday. Okay Boris, you did a good job "walking" your four footed Sherman Tank along the Can-Am ROW. There have been reports of startled passengers but it was ascertained that their shock had nothing to do with "Tex."[:-^] Happy rails to all.

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a roujnd for the house..
Tom saw your inquiry about LCBO that stands for Liquor Control Board of Ontario. All spirits must be purchased from these Provincial outlets in Ontario and Beer comes from the Beer Stores run by the breweries and Province jointly. Even Bars and restaurants purchase theirs from the smae outlets. They sure don't allow any private hands in the Liquor business. Never any bargains either.

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

SPECIAL NOTE:

No, no, no - CM3 wasn't "just" inducted into The Order of the Permanent Stools. That occurred back on Nov 2nd and we ALL congratulated him then! He acknowledged it as well! And then did so again TODAY! Ommmmmigosh, what is goin' on [?] Check out page 153, it's all there.

The "article" in the Mentor Village Gazette was simply "reporting" the event.

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents,

Ted Glad you made it back from this AM. What a difference a day makes, eh [?]

I'm extremely pleased with the quality of Posts these days and hope it continues. Quantity only enters the picture when one considers the need to keep our Thread up 'n running on the page. That requires participation, not just from a handful, but from as many as possible. I'd like to get paid for the hours I spend trying to make this idea work, believe me! (Hold the accolades, please - it wasn't meant quite that way! [swg])

From the gist of your Post, it appears that you too will be gone until Monday or perhaps later. Okay - have a pleasant weekend, Mate! (I say that because you wished us well for the weekend.)

Al Thanx for the clarification on the abbreviation. I am familiar with the Provincial stores, but didn't pick up on the "LCBO." Hope Rob considers our "needs" for the Rendezvous in Toronto! [:D]

Thanx for the round! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[wanswheel]

Good evening Tom and Our Place gang, I just stopped in to marvel at the Rocky Mountain Rocket history post. My long division is hazy but about 1070 divided by about 17.5 seems to show the Rocket averaged about 60mph?
I like those car names "Garden of the Gods" and "Phantom Valley." Thanks Al.

Mike

[nickinwestwales]

Well,here we are again,just in time for a fish`n`chip type fiesta-[4:-)]TOM,best line up a few of those fine green Czech bottles,I have the taste for it this night ( Just back from band practice after a weeks break and Fat Steve,our monstrous drummer, is back from a fortnight working over in Ireland,so something of a sweat was worked up tonight [^]
Have just spent a few minutes browsing through the Mentor Village Gazette and an inner-page article caught my eye--"Local Constabulary Caught Out By Typo"-Mentor`s finest,Clueless & Doyle are expected to be called in to head office to explain themselves after mobilising the Counties Armed Response Unit to meet the incoming weekly Can-Am / Cymru Zeppelin service on the grounds that in addition to the usual cargo of beer & deli goods, the Airship was being used as a front for narcotic trafficking.
A measure of confusion ensued before it was realised that the delivery in question was nothing more dangerous than a batch of hand-woven carpeting for local tavern `Our Place`.
When asked for a quote, a representative from the staff told our reporter " Yes,We are international rug smugglers,now either buy a drink or s*d off,we`re busy tonight."

O.K.-to posts,DON-as noted by the Guvnor,you do have a feel for this place-you could end up on the staff roster if you are not careful ( I only stopped in to ask for directions....) by the way-POOTS-love it,has just the right `ring` about it [^]
As to O.N.R sites,my favourite is the (un)official railfan site,not least because of Mike Robin`s truly wonderful photo gallery. If I could work out how to get his `pic of the day` displayed on this site I would have no hesitation in doing it-these are pix to be shared and enjoyed.
R.E. the Great Central,this has got up and running since I`ve been living down here on the western edge of the country and I have very little to offer,I suspect that WOLFMAN PETE who is a native of those parts may be of more use to you here.
Please feel free to keep asking R.E `big 4` etc,If I`ve got it I`ll share it,if not I`ll look it up[tup]
SIR THEODORE-like yourself,I see no point in responding unless I can make a valid contribution,life is short enough without wasting time-By the bye,how goes it with the wiring ( if this is not an indelicate question )-your pain is our pain and all that..............
[4:-)]TOM-if you are not prepared to consider the escalators,I might as well scrap any plans for the candy machines & phone booths.....[:-,][:-^]

Right then chaps,Looks like the fryers are hot so what do we have on the menu tonight...?
As the weather is definately drawing in,I think it`s about time to dig out the soup kettle from Boris`s shed so to get the ball rolling we have freshly made Tomato & Basil with croutons and grated cheese topping.
Crepes stuffed with prawns,mussels,scallops & cockles in provencal sauce
Smoked mackerel pate with gooseberry sauce and warm wholemeal breads
Whole grilled wild rainbow trout with almond & mushroom stuffing
Grilled red snapper with crispy salad bowl with chefs dressing & hot mixed breads
Tuna Steak,pan fried with French mustard & butter sauce

For those who,like myself,dont care for fish,we also have:-
Noisettes of Welsh lamb,pan fried in port and black cherry sauce,
Classic `bangers & mash` with black pudding & onion gravy ( One for PETE here)
Chicken *** in asparagus sauce
Pork loin chops baked with shallots,garlic and white wine


All the above served with either salad or vegetable platter,and Jacket,french fried or duchesse potatoes

O.K.-that looks like a menu to me,[4:-)]TOM will take your orders and one of our lovely ladies will deliver it to your table--TOM,could you turn up the juke-box,I need to discuss one or two points of kitchen hygiene with Boris and I don`t want to discourage customers due to screams,howls moans etc.
Right guys,thats me off to earn my keep,be good,have fun & as CM3 would say work safe ,see ya,nick[C=:-)]

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all .

A pint of Bathams and some Fish and Chips if I may.

Great posts again today[tup]thanks ROB WANSWHEEL CM3 AL DON TED and TOM.

Jdonald DON
I am not too sure about the set up at the Great Central. I think that the two lines north and south of the gap are run separately although they have close ties to each other.
The hope is that one day a bridge can join the two lines as you say it will be very expensive. The bridge will cross the Midland Main Line. Near where the bridge will be there is some unused land which the railway is hoping to re-erect an old locomotive shed which has been dismantled and moved from the North West of England.
On the line between Loughbourgh and Rothley this is now double track and two steam trains can pass each other the only preserved line in the U.K. where this is possible.
The Great Central line passed through my home town of Rugby it closed as a through route in 1966 although the part between Rugby and Nottingham lasted another couple of years.
It was a pity the Railwaymans Arms on the S.V.R was closed on your visit is is a great little pub with railway signs on the wall and of course they sell Bathams [tup].

NICK It is indeed very sad when the main provider of work closes especially in the close knit communities of the Valleys. I shall always remember the kindness shown to me when I was photographing the Colliery steam locos in the early 70s. With one visit it was cold and very wet the men there would take us in to their mess-hut and make us a cup of tea while we warmed by the fire.
Just caught your post NICK Bangers and Mash it is.[tup]
TOM really liked the Gazette[^][tup]. Is it open for Classiefied Ads[:-^] PETE>

[siberianmo]

SPECIAL FOR NICK

Okay, what have you done to my husband [?] He is sitting on the recliner, laptop in his lap (where else [?]) and he is laughing so hard he is crying! So, what in the world have you doen to him [?]

Oh, he finally explained, through fits of laughter, what his "Mentor Village Gazette" is all about along with those fictitious beings - Inspector Clueless, et al. Anyway, when he put it all together and read your "story,' it got me into a fit of laughter as well.

Tom just cannot say "rug smugglers" without doubling up into fits of laughter .....

Nice that you can all feed off of one another so well. Sounds like quite a place. Hope you all behave yourselves in Toronto, especially since the gals are "not allowed!"

Carol (wife of Siberianmo)

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

A quick acknowledgment to:

Nick I think Carol summed it up quite well. "Rug smugglers," indeed! Outstanding wit and just the kinda humo(u)r that only lacks a REAL drink. I just made one - had to have a "little something" after that - Southern Comfort on the rocks, seemed rather appropriate.

Glad you liked the "Gazette" and anytime you want to submit an article - send me an Email for inclusion. Well done, Mate! [tup][tup][tup]

A fine menu from the Nick's Picks Menu Board! [tup][tup][tup] If I ate even one quarter of what you have suggested, my "boyish" figure would go quickly down the tubes - and I'm not talking about subways! [swg]

Mike Nice to see ya again and hope that you continue on. I'm sure Al will be most pleased with your comments. Any time someone offers a positive response to the works submitted on the Thread makes for good vibes indeed. [tup]

I didn't "Tweeeeeeet" you for a rules violation - Rule #2, failure to order a drink or something or food. This is your "period" of Grace - but it will soon run out! Remember, we have to put some bucks in the 'till. [swg]

Pete Glad you mentioned the "Gazette," for a while there, I was wonderin' whether anyone would pick up on it. Funny, sometimes these things take a "delayed reaction" for commentary. Anyway - just as the "Classified Section" said, "Wanted" - of course. Submit 'em to me by Email and they will go into the next edition. [tup]

You, Sir, are the ONLY customer to even mention our "Fish 'n Chips Nite" and have been regularly. Thanx! At least someone remembers! That's all part of the fun 'round here - participation is the word! [tup][tup][tup]

Time for me to turn the bar over to Leon the Night Man. Ring the bell Boris a night cap on me ........ Nite [zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

For two winters the CRI&P/SP operated an all pullman train that is still talked about to this day. That train was the ARIZONA LIMITED trains 29-30 between Chicago and Phoenix every other day. The trains covered the 1,900 miles in 31 hours 15 minutes each way.
All sleeping cars were the property of the Pullman Company from their pool. The first two cars in each consist were Rock Island owned a Baggage Crew Dormitory and a 36-Seat dining Car.

The ARIZONA LIMITED provided a deluxe service for wealthy midwesterners and other people of means who preferred to spend part of their winters in the warm desert climate of Southern Arizona.

The ARIZONA LIMITED was a truly first class pair of trains becoming the first all Room All Pullman Streamliner to operate west of the Mississippi River. For a pair of trains that only operated for two winter seasons they were a victime of WW II the reason for their cancellation after only two seasons.

The Rock Island assigned diesels to the seven car trains between Chicago and Tucumcari and the SP assigned mostly Mountains to the ARIZONA LIMITEDS for their part although GS Northerns are known to have headed the train as well. The Rock Island assigned two ALCO 2,000 HP prewar diesel passenger units to the trains the first season and a pair of EMD 2,000 HP passsenger disels were assigned the second and final season.

The Rock Island modernized two Baggage 15 Crew Dormitory cars and two 36-seat dining cars for the ARIZONA LIMITED consists. The two Rock Island cars in each consist were painted in the two tone grey scheme to match the Pullman Sleepers operated in the ARIZONA LIMITED. Two consists were all that was necessary to provide every other day service between Chicago and Phoenix in each direction.

From the ARIZONA LIMITED the Rock Island got the idea for the postwar GOLDEN ROCKET a premier train to operate between Chicago and Los Angeles.
The first season trains operated between December 15, 1940 and April 3, 1941. The two consists are listed as they operated.

CONSIST ONE

622 ALCO DL-107 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit
(Chicago - Tucumcari)

Streamlined GS-2 Steam Locomotive and Tender
(Tucumcari - Phoenix) Exact number unknown on inaugural train

6014 Modernized Heavyweight Baggage 15 crew Dormitory Car (CRI&P)

8028 Modernized Heavyweight 36-Seat dining Car (CRI&P)

IMPERIAL GUARD 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL BANNER 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawingg Room Sleeping Car

CASCADE BANKS 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE BASIN 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

AMERICAN MILEMASTER 2-Double Bedroom 1-Compartment 1-Drawing Room Buffet 27 Seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST TWO

623 ALCO DL-107 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit
(Chicago - Tucumcari)

Streamlined GS-2 Steam Locomotive & Tender
(Tucumcari - Phoenix) Exact number unknown

6015 Modernized Heavyweight Baggage 15-Crew Dormitory Car (CRI&P)

8031 Modernized Heavyweight 36-Seat Dining Car (CRI&P)

IMPERIAL CLIPPER 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL THRONE 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

CASCADE MILLS 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE SHOALS 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

MUSKINGUM RIVER 2-Double Bedroom 1-Compartment 1-Drawing room Buffet 27-Seat Lounge Observation

The second and final season of the ARIZONA LIMITED operated from december 15, 1941 until April 3, 1942.

CONSIST ONE

630 EMD E6A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit
(Chicago - Tucumcari)

6014 Modernized Heavyweight Baggage 15-crew Dormitory Car

8028 Modernized Heavyweight 36-Seat Dining Car

IMPERIAL CLIPPER 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

CASCADE BANKS 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

ROARING CAMP Streamlined Heavyweight 17-Roomette Sleeping Car

MUSKINGUM RIVER 2-Double Bedroom 1-Compartment 1-Drawing Room Buffet 27-Seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST TWO

631 EMD E6A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit
(Chicago - Tucumcari)

6015 Modernized Heavyweight Baggage 15-Crew Dormitory Car

8031 Modernized Heavyweight 36-Seat Dining Car

IMPERIAL BANNER 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL THRONE 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

CASCADE BASIN 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

BEAR FLAG Articulated 14-Duplex Single Room 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC Articulated 4-Double Bedroom 1-Compartment Buffet 27-Seat Lounge Observation
The first season trains were for a maximum passenger load of 93.
Consist one second season 90
Consist two second season 92

TTFN AL.

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Tom and the boyz. I think a nice cr and the lamb,though I like fish and chips lamb is something I do enjoy[tup]

Tom Wow your snowing me under with more siberianmoism's than my poor addeled brain can process. The gazette is a nice touch. Just don't let Conrad Black hear about it you may have an unwelcome hostile takeover.

Glad that you approve of the continued steam and such I keep adding to the mix,I can't be known as strictly a wirehead afterall.

thanks for the reroll on the Avis rent a car piece, always nice to compare the passenger rail service of your to whats now the norm for airlines.

Also wonder where I have seen some of those bumper stickers before.[swg][:-^]
I'm sure that we will see many a pud or LCBO store in our travels in May not to worry. Remember Carol and Heather are watching so no rug smuggling allowed [swg]



CM3 Nice follow on info on the C&O / Canadian conections.Just goes to show really how closely tied the two countries have always been. CSX still handles the conections in Sarnia just not as frequently,with CN and CP owning so much US trackage now they have tended to ship along their own lines more than interchange at the boarders.

Don Hey I know what you mean hibernation is the thing, I actually had to scrap some snow and frost of the old windsheild this morning. Like you I don't function with out at least one Tim's a day.

The Sarnia boarder trains and the way they were handled was quite an interesting operation. Can't think of too many places where electric and steam power were swapped with in throwing distance of rail ferry transfers as well.

The Bayview junction operations were and still are an interesting ballet of both CN/CP trains. you don't see all the backwards passenger train movements any more as Via does not call on the Hamilton station and neither does the Hamilton Go trains. they instead ( Go ) run up to the old TH&B Hunter street staiton in downtown Ham. on the now CP trackage. Still an absolute cush of frieght traffic through there. They are actually starting to grade for a third thrack through the junction on the CN to clear up the backlogs on the Oakville & Dundas subs.Thank's for digging up the onr sites as well, really some wonderfull shots there[tup]


Al What can I say you've come through again great info on the Rock. Mike nice to see you pick up on it and through a few tidbit's in again. You have only begun to see the full power of Al's passenger train knowledge [bow]


Pete Some nice brit rail info again there to my friend always apreciated,just think of how much rail info we have ammased from sooo many parts of the world here in just 7 months, absolutly mind boggeling.


Ted I'm always ready to help Tom bring his layout up to date,who can say no to a fine commuter rail service based of of surface and subsurface traction[?]

Nick An amazing tour de force menu as always[tup] and Boris and the kitchen canning I'm sure went well.Hope the local consatbulary didn't damage the zeplin in their forcable confinment of it. Just for that I think we should serve them Boris K ration rattatoulie that he has whipped up. Might want to scrub out the soup pot though, I beleave he was exparimenting with that particular resipe in it last week when I inadvertantly found the crates of ex army K rations.On the up side he and Tex love that stuff so his usual diet has been changed somewhat. His coat ( Boris's ) seems more glossy since that dietetic change, and we haven't needed to tranquilize him as often.

Later gents Rob

[siberianmo]

FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Good Morning! The end of the week is upon us once again. Time to join us for some freshly brewed coffee, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and a <light> breakfast from our Menu Board. [tup]

Yesterday began rather slowly, but did we ever pick up steam as we got into the late afternoon. Check out the Posts if you weren’t ‘round. One has to check in a few times a day to keep up with what’s goin’ on ‘round here lately! [tup][tup][tup]

Info for the Day:

Nothing special – “routine” for the week:

Today is “Pizza Nite” and “Steak ‘n Fries Nite.”
Saturday is “ENCORE!” day.

INDEX Mondays only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 00:01:37 (165) CNR Steam #3 – Trains on the Strathroy Subdivision

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 05:25:31 (165) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(3) wanswheel Mike Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 05:47:27 (165)

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 08:08:17 (165) Acknowledgments, etc.

(5) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 08:44:54 (165) Overwhelmed!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 09:08:41 (165) Mentor Village Gazette #1

(7) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 11:24:08 (165) C&O connections with CN/CP

(8) passengerfan Al Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 12:58:06 (165) Rocky Mountain Rockets

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 13:10:10 (166) NOSTALGIA – Ad AVIS (1956)

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 14:18:41 (166) Acknowledgments, etc.

(11) jdonald Don Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 14:37:57 (166) Inclusive Post!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 16:58:52 (166) reply to jdonald

(13) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 17:21:56 (166)

(14) passengerfan Al Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 17:35:53 (166)

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 18:33:22 (166) Special Note

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 19:00:48 (166) Acknowledgments, etc.

(17) wanswheel Mike Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 19:11:48 (166)

(18) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 19:27:22 (166) Must read!

(19) pwolfe Pete Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 19:30:38 (166) Inclusive Post!

(20) Mrs. siberianmo Carol Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 21:25:33 (166) Special: for Nick

(21) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 21:37:53 (166) Acknowledgments, etc.

(22) passengerfan Al Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 21:58:04 (166) The Arizona Limited

(23) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 22:39:51 (166) Inclusive Post!

=======================================
That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

Just wanted to keep ahead of the acknowledgments from last night before this day begins:

Rob Thanx for the mention of the AVIS Ad - you are the only one who did! Glad you enjoyed it. Thanx too for mentioning the "Gazette." Don't know how often I'll Post those - but there WILL be more! Whaddyatalkin'bout - bumper stickers seen elsewhere [?] I HOPE so - they ARE bumper stickers! [swg]

By the by - check out page 149 - that's where the HERTZ Ad was Posted - the AVIS Ad was not a "reroll" as you referred to it. Well, it IS understandable how one gets easily overwhelmed and confused at YOUR advancing age. [swg]

[yeah] I know the gals are watchin' us - they tend to be like that! <grin>

Al Nice one on the Arizona Limited!. As always, the round is appreciated too. [tup]

Gotta get movin' - the temps here in mid-continent USA are above freezing - about double of what it was this time yesterday. Juneau is rarin' to go! So am I ....

Later Gents!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[jlampke]

Evenin' Tom, I see you've got the watch, so to speak. I'll take an Absolute and please, a Keith's for yourself. If the stove's still hot and one of the chef's [C=:-)] are still around, the chicken *** & asparagus sauce sounds pretty tasty (it's 2330 here), and $$ for a couple old favorites of mine: Tom Jones "What's New Pussycat", and Johnny Cash "Ring Of Fire". [tup]
Can I make a suggestion for the menu?[?] Spotted owl. A couple friends tell me the taste is a cross between that of California Condor and Bald Eagle. [dinner] [;)]

I've been printing out the posts for the last few days from OUR place so I could highlight and make notes........ Hmmm... looking at the growing pile of paper here, maybe that's not such a good idea for the long-term. [oops] To jump back and forth from page to page is VERY slow here, as I'm on a satellite connection.
Pete & Rob, I had read of various lines attempting to electrify their operations, then switching back to diesel, and wondered about that. Wonder what the problem was?
Nick, Rob, Tom, thanks for the tips on the smilies. Like everything else, I printed out the pages and will pratice a little when I get a breather here before actually using them in my (comparatively rare) posts. One thing I did learn the hard way: The other day I was ready to submit a post I had typed, but decided to look at one of the gang's profiles first. I went to the profile, then when I went back to the topic page, my message was gone. [sigh]
I had wondered, Tom, how you came up with siberianmo. Your time in the Arctic? I am partial to and most comfortable in the cold myself. You can always put on another shirt, is what I tell anyone who complains about the low setting on the AC here. Pete, Bossman, I see you gents call MO home. How healthy does my fav loco 4460 look? Are they keeping the rust in check there at the museum? I'd be thrilled to see her returned to Portland and restored some day. I am equally fond of 4449, but she gets all the attention she needs, I think. I made it down to the roundhouse a few times last summer when the ship was at Cascade General Shipyard in Portland for some routine dry-dock work and a paint job, and was also able to see it steam into Sherwood for the auto show. What an impressive sight........ [wow] [tup] [8D]

BTW Boss, VERY impressive list of passenger trains!!! [bow] [tup] I have to ask the same question Nick did: How the heck do you get anything else done??? [?] Does that list include branch line named trains? Anyone ever hear of the Coos Limited? (SP) [?]

I see Ted just stepped in. Tom, please put that "lead sinker" and Master Blend on my tab.

Well boys...... time to rest. The rock pile seems to get bigger with each passing day. [|)] [zzz]

[Anonymous]

Mornin' folks, Tom I'll hook a "lead sinker" and a Master Blend for now. Well, well, yet another Nick's Picks to add to the cullinary archives at "Our" Place.[^] I sneaked in late last night and sampled from each of the delectible entrees. Leon was kind enough to escort me to my car on a hand truck.[:D] "Rug trafficking?" Surely no one here would be involved, not when we have the LCBO around the corner![swg] It does put a new diminsion on the cliche "chewing the rug" however, doesn't it?

Rob, great information on the fading interfacing of U.S. and Canadian Rwys., thanks for that and the e-mailis as well.[tup] Pete, I must need to renew my reading glasses RX. Did I misunderstand or is there only one "leg" (Loughboruogh-Rothley) in the U.K. where two steam trains may pass one another? Does that refer to running in the same direction? Don and Mike, it is certainly a pleasure to welcome you both aboard with your interactive posts and meanigful contributions.[tup] Al, I don't know what we would do without your "final word" expertise on passenger rolling stock. Sometime, I would be interested in knowing how you will manage your "ground transportation" to Toronto. Either via Thread or e-mail, which ever is more convenient. I poured over the Amtrak time tables here and found going by rail (from Tampa, FL) to be nearly absurd.[:O]

Well gentlemen, we have heard from the distaff side of the Weber and Austin households. Let this "Rendevous" not become a game of: "When the cats away the mice will play." The only possible exception would be myself, lacking the constraints of matrimonial ties. Right, those aren't the only "ties lacking." Speaking of "ties," Rob, how do Torontoans (?) dress where ever our motely crew may venture? E-mail will be fine for such banter but I don't want to appear the "Ugly American" if it may be avoided.[xx(] Gadfrey Boris, what is that on your head, a Cornucopia?[:O] Yes, that will be fine for Thanksgiving but for now it is ridiculous, put it away.[alien] Happy rails.

[siberianmo]

Mornin' John and whoever else is up and about!

While I live within 15 minutes of the St. Louis Museum of Transport, I am not a frequent visitor - been years. Anyway, can't comment on #4460 - but here's the URL for the museum (I did't see a pix of it) http://www.museumoftransport.org/index.htm

Pete, who lives in central Missouri (Jefferson City - the state Capital) and I are going to visit the museum one day - probably in the spring.

Siberianmo came about quite simply - siberian for my (our) love of those dogs (Husky) and MO for Missouri. That's it - no mystique there, eh [?] [swg] I did spend 18 months in Alaska back in 1959-60 - quite an adventure indeed.

That reference to the Spotted Owl, California Condor and Bald Eagle is the punch line of a joke that could actually be turned into one of those "shaggy dog" stories - goes on and on. [swg] Here in Mentor Village in the heart of Can-Am County one never quite knows what to make of the "things" brought into the back by Boris. Not to worry, we have a "quality control" (of sorts) to ensure that "road kill" and the like doesn't wind up in the stew! [swg]

Regarding your "lost" Post - think long and hard about using a word processing program. At least should the Forums "gobble up" your work - you can always retrieve your efforts from the WP files. Works for me ......

Good selections from the Juke - by the way, that pickled pig's feet jar sittin' on the table next to the Wurltizer is full of quarters. Go ahead and "plunk" in a few - 5 plays for a quarter 'round here and it's all complimentary! coalminer3 CM3 has been a steady contributor to the "jar" and at times we've had to put out a 2nd. Good selections and I like the contrast in music! [tup]

Okay - once again, time to get goin' on my day. Juneau and I have had our one mile trek throughout the subdivision - all's well with the world this fine day! Now watch some SOB come along and upset the cart! [swg]

Oh, I see Ted has snuck one in - so a brief acknowledgment to the guy who keeps us wonderin'! Sure sounded as if you were 'gone' for the weekend ... As the kids say, "Whatever!" You are here and that's what counts ...... [tup]

What's with the "moral policing" [?] To each his own, Mate. There is a difference between banter and seriousness (seriousity, as I prefer to say.) Email is certainly the way to communicate these thoughts if there's concern. Not a good way to start the day ....... [tdn]

Cindy will be takin' the bar a bit later and I'll be Posting at noonish - late afternoon and perhaps late night. Same-o, same-o as yesterday and a few weeks back.

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Well afternoon chaps,thought I`d better drop in and check the state of play in the galley-Boris seems to have taken my `advice` on board and there is no sign of Tex about the place-it seems that the C.P. yard crew have hired him as a moveable stop-block for the yard throat.
So-CAROL-many apologies for any health concerns I may have caused R.E. your husband,it`s true what they say--rugs screw you up,just say no kids !!! [:-^]....
O.K,a bit of a `hit & run` for now,seem to have aquired some extra chores ( thats the trouble with housework-you just get the place looking how you (she) wants it then six months later you have to start all over again...)-Back later for some more interactive stuff. Be good guys,later,nick [C=:-)]

[nickinwestwales]

Quick note-Don`t seem to be getting the signature pix at the moment-anyone else got this problem ?

[siberianmo]

NOTE TO ALL:

For those who use the RailImages.com for posting photo's - they appear to be 'down.' You may recall that I passed the 'word' on their upgrading work to their site. Appears that may be what's going on.

I noted it too - check the SUMMARY no pix at the bottom - when that returns, they are back on line.

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

The Hours and Food Service at "Our" Place

We open at 6 AM - Monday thru Saturday - close when the last man standing has departed (or fallen!).

CLOSED on SUNDAY's and CHRISTMAS Day

The Food Service at ”Our” Place –

…Monday thru Saturday: Light breakfasts – bakery goods from The Mentor Village Bakery and sandwiches all day long made from the freshest lunchmeats in the county along with freshly baked bread for the grinders/hoagies/heros/subs……
....NO evening meals Monday thru Wednesday.
…Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips nite and Nick’s Picks or whatever our Chief Chef [C=:-)] conjures up!.
…Friday: Pizza nite – steak ‘n fries and…….
…Saturday: Steak ‘n fries and ……..

Tom, Proprietor of "Our" Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment![4:-)][oX)]

P.S. Cindy has the bar! Behave, Gents! [}:)][:-,]

[jdonald]

Afternoon Tom & all

I'll have an Alex. K. and one for yourself if your back at the bar. Is it kosher to offer Cindy a drink in your absence or would that just get me a slap?
Sorry I missed the fish & chips yesterday but I will have the steak & fries today. How come its chips with fish but fries with steak?
By the way-thanks for the cast of characters a couple of pages back. I was wondering about BORIS, AWK et al.

Nick - your menu was mouth watering. I don't dare show it to the wife or she will start on about me learning how to cook.

Al - enjoying your pieces on the various trains - the different consists are especially interesting. In my sheltered little world I only knew about the big name trains 20th Century Ltd., Empire Builder etc. Keep em coming!

Rob - Thanks for the update on Bayview Jct. Its a great place to watch trains if you can get to it. A third track will make it even better.
Sorry I can't contribute much to the traction discussion. My only experience is riding the "Red Rocket" in Toronto in the early 60's. I guess those were PCC cars but I do remember sweeing older cars kind of square looking and a lot noisier than the PCC. Dont know that they were called.

Pete - thanks for the update on the GCR. Hope their project with the engine shed gets going. Not familiar with Bathams but certainly willing to give it a try next time over.

Despite Toms excellent instructions, if I preview my post then go back to see if there are more current posts, I am still losing my post. Keep in mind that I am only about 50% computer literate (or is it 60% illerate)
I am also wondering how long these pages will stay in the forum before they are erased. Is there any way of saving them in my computer files?

Oh well, think I will go and take out my frustrations on the "Flying Scotsman" maybe run it into the buffer blocks at Carlisle Station. (This is on MS Train Simulator in case any was thinking I had just derailed on an open switch or something.)

Bye for now, Keep it on the rails

Don

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Todays installement on streamlined trains will cover the first SOUTHERN BELLE trains of the KCS.

Trains 1-2 the SOUTHERN BELLES were inaugurated September 2, 1940 between Kansas City and New Orleans 872.8 miles in 18 hours 15 minutes each way.
The new trains required three sets of equipment to maintain daily service in each direction. Initially the trains operated with modernized heavyweight 10 section 3 double bedroom sleeping cars only on the overnight portion of the trip between Shreveport and New Orleans, these cars were named SILOAM SPRINGS and SULPHUR SPRINGS.
When Pullman assigned a third modernized heavyweight 10-Section 3 double Bedroom Sleeping car to the SOUTHERN BELLE in February 1941 named BARKSDALE the sleeping cars began operating through between Kansas City and New Orleans. Later in April 1941 Pullman assigned two additional modernized heavyweight 10 Section 3 Double Bedroom sleeping cars to the SOUTHERN BELLES named STATE CAPITAL and MENA. These two cars operated only between New Orleans and Shreveport. A second coach was also operated between New Orleans and Shreveport nightly in each SOUTHERN BELLE.

CONSIST ONE

21 EMC E3A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

64 Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car

234 PITTSBURG 74-Revenue Seat Coach

237 ALEXANDRIA 74-Revenue Seat Coach
(Shreveport - New Orlaens)

SILOAM SPRINGS Modernized Heavyweight 10-Section 3-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Shreveport - New Orleans)

54 KANSAS CITY 2-Day Room Lunch Counter Kitchen 24-Seat Dining 8-Revenue Seat Parlor 8-Seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST TWO

22 EMC E3A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

65 Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car

235 JOPLIN 74-Revenue Seat Coach

238 BATON ROUGE 74-Revenue Seat Coach
(New Orleans - Shreveport)

SULPHUR SPRINGS Modernized Heavyweight 10-Section 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(New Orleans - Shreveport)

55 SHREVEPORT 2-Dayroom Lunch Counter Kitchen 24-Seat dining 8-Revenue Seat Parlor 8-Seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST THREE

23 EMC E3A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

66 Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car

236 TEXARKANA 74-Revenue Seat Coach

56 NEW ORLEANS 2-Dayroom Lunch Counter Kitchen 24-Seat dining 8- Revenue Seat Parlor 8-Seat Lounge Observation

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Good Afternoon Gents!

Okay, Cindy take a lunch break - see you in about an hour or so .... [swg]

Temps around here are back to near 50 (F), blue skies, hardly any wind and just a nice fall afternoon. Gotta love it! [yeah]

Nick Whazzup [?] You being a "hit 'n run" isn't at all in keeping with your style! Image, man - image! [swg] We await your return ... by the by, looks like whatever was going on with RailImages is continuing .....

Don

You can buy anything you want - but Cindy is MINE, mine, mine, mine! [swg] Ahhhhh, but she's rather "stuck" on Nick, the Chief Chef [C=:-)] (must be the uniform! [swg]) I know this is hard to believe, but she doesn't drink the spirits - nary a drop. Sorry.

Now about that business of losing your Posts. A suggestion then is to NOT use "refresh" unless you have "copied" everything in the "message block." When you do that, you can always paste it right back. Worth a try. Another way to see if someone has Posted, is to use refresh right AFTER you Post a new message. That way you won't lose a thing. One size just doesn't fit all in shoes or here in the Ether! [swg]

Let me see if I can address your question with a bit of a 'sidestep' - Fish 'n Chips is much more a British 'thing,' whereas steak 'n fries is known more as an American concoction. <phew> Does that "work" for ya [?]

Yes, you can save most anything on the net - just save it to whatever word processing program you use (Word, etc.). You can go back and then edit out whatever you don't want. However, are you SURE you want to do this [?] That's an awful lot of memory you may be using up for the graphics that these forum pages take up. Just a thought .....

I have been Posting some of our "inside" info given that we have some new customers 'round here. I keep that stuff archived and run 'em from time to time. Helps, doesn't it [?] Appreciate the mention! [tup]

Al Given your fantastic offerings with the streamlined trains, I'm going to establish a special place for your Posts within the redesigned INDEX appearing on Mondays. If you have a name you'd prefer for them, let me know - otherwise I'm going to get a bit creative ......

Nice run down on the Southern Belles! [tup][tup][tup] You've picked up quite nicely where my Fallen Flags series left off! [tup]

If you are "out there" Pete there's an Email awaitin'

I'll be here for about another 30 minutes or so ......

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this ad out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956) [located on page 1502]

. . . . . . . . . . The Pocket List of . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . Railroad Officials . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Containing the Names of Officials in Charge of . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Railroads in the . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
United States, Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Puerto Rico & Dominican Republic
Showing the Gauge of each road, Number of Miles Operated and Rolling Stock in Service of Each Company
. . . . . . . . . . Also List of Private Car Companies . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . PUBLISHED QUARTERLY . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . Distributed approximately the last week in the months of
. . . . . . . . . . . JANUARY, APRIL, JULY and OCTOBER . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . SUBSCRIPTION PRICE (Postages Prepaid.) . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . UNITED STATES and Possessions - - $8.00 Per Annum . . . . .
. . . . . FOREIGN, including Canada - - - - - - $8.50 Per Annum . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . Single Copies - $3.00 . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . For Advertising Rates Address . . . . . . . . . .
The Railway Equipment and Publication Co. – 424 West 33rd St. (11th Floor), New York 1, N.Y.
John A. Patee, Advertising Manger
424 West 33rd Street, New York 1, N.Y.

James M. Fawcett, Western Representative
1428 Lyton Building, Chicago 4, Illinois


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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