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Quick note-JOHN-the `smilies` are accessed from the left side of the quick reply panel at the bottom of each page,just type in the brackets,letters,symbols as shown and then hit `preview reply`to check that it`s `taken`.
There are some rather more animated ones available from another site(e.g. Awk the parrot ) which [4:-)]TOM,as master of computer arcana will no doubt be happy to walk you through ,speak soon,nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

G’day!

Here’s a little something you may find of interest. It has been used with permission from: http://www.innvista.com/default.htm with some additions (noted) and minor editing.

We’ll call this Fallen Flags Extra!

While there are some differences between the Fallen Flags that I have Posted for Passenger Trains, there’s no reason to do anything other than enjoy the names of these fine passenger trains!

Some Name Passenger Trains by Railroad in 1948

This list includes trains from North America only. This gives an idea of the number of passenger trains operating in Canada and the United States in 1948. The name trains have been listed according by railroad that they traveled over. In some cases just the Pullman equipment traveled over these lines.

Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe (AT&SF)

1. Antelope
2. California Limited
3. California Special
4. Cavern
5. Centennial State
6. Chicagoan
7. Chief
8. El Capitan
9. El Pasoan
10. Fast Mail Express
11. Golden Gate
12. Grand Canyon
13. Kansas Cityan
14. Oil Flyer
15. Ranger
16. San Diegan
17. Scout
18. Super Chief
19. Texas Chief
20. Tulsan
21. West Texas Express

Atlanta and West Point (A&WP)

1. Crescent
2. Piedmont Limited

Atlantic Coast Line (ACL)

1. Champion (East Coast)
2. Champion (West Coast)
3. City of Miami
4. Dixie Flagler
5. Dixie Flyer
6. Dixie Limited
7. Everglades
8. Flamingo
9. Georgian
10. Havana Special (East Coast)
11. Havana Special (West Coast)
12. Miamian
13. Palmetto
14. Seminole
15. South Wind
16. Southland
17. Sunchaser

Baltimore and Ohio (B&O)

1. Ambassador
2. Capitol Limited
3. Cincinnatian
4. Cleveland Night Express
5. Columbian
6. Diplomat
7. Marylander
8. Metropolitan Special
9. National
10. Royal Blue
11. Shenandoah

Bangor & Aroostook (BAR) (added by siberianmo)

1. Aroostock Flyer
2. Potatoland Special

Boston and Maine (B&M)

1. Alouette
2. Flying Yankee
3. Green Mountain
4. Gull
5. Kennebec
6. Minute Man
7. Monadnoch
8. Montrealer
9. Mount Royal
10. Mountaineer
11. New Englander
12. Penobscot
13. Pine Tree
14. Red Wing
15. State of Maine
16. Washingtonian

Canadian National Railways (CNR)

1. Ambassador
2. Continental Limited
3. Gull
4. Inter-City Limited
5. International Limited
6. LaSalle
7. Maple Leaf
8. Maritime Express
9. Montrealer
10. New Englander
11. Northland
12. Ocean Limited
13. Owl
14. Scotian
15. Washingtonian
16. Winnipeg Limited

Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR)

1. Alouette
2. Chicago Express
3. Chinook
4. Dominion
5. Frontenac
6. Great West
7. Gull
8. Kettle Valley Express
9. Kootenay Express
10. Laurentian
11. Michigan
12. Montreal Limited
13. Overseas
14. Red Wing
15. Royal York
16. Viger
17. Winnipeger

Central of Georgia (CG)

1. City of Miami
2. Flamingo
3. Nancy Hanks
4. Seminole
5. Southland
6. Sunchaser

Central Vermont (CV)

1. Ambassador
2. Montrealer
3. New Englander
4. Vermonter
5. Washingtonian

Chesapeake and Ohio (C&O)

1. F. F. V.
2. George Washington
3. Resort Special
4. Sportsman

Chicago and Eastern Illinois (C&EI)

1. Cardinal
2. Dixie Flagler
3. Dixie Flyer
4. Dixie Limited
5. Dixie Mail
6. Georgian
7. Meadowlark
8. Silent Knight

Chicago Great Western Railway (CGW) (added by siberianmo)

1. Blue Bird
2. Great Western Limited
3. Rochester Special
4. Red Bird
5. Legionnaire
6. Minnesotan
7. Mills Cities Limited
8. Nebraska Limited
9. Twin Cities Limited

Chicago and Northwestern (C&NW)

1. Arrowhead Limited
2. Ashland Limited
3. Ashland Mail
4. Capitol 400
5. Chicago Limited
6. City of Denver
7. City of Los Angeles
8. City of Milwaukee 400
9. City of Portland
10. City of San Francisco
11. Columbine
12. Commuter 400
13. Duluth-Superior Limited
14. Flambeau 400
15. Gold Coast
16. Los Angeles Challenger
17. Green Bay 400
18. Kate Shelly 400
19. Los Angeles Limited
20. Minnesota 400
21. Mondamin
22. Nightingale
23. North American
24. Northwestern Limited
25. Pacific
26. Peninsula 400
27. San Francisco Challenger
28. San Francisco Overland
29. Shoreline 400
30. Twin Cities 400
31. Utahn
32. Valley 400
33. Victory
34. Viking

Chicago, Burlington, and Quincy (Burlington Route) (CB&Q)

1. Ak-Sar-Ben
2. Alaskan
3. Black Hawk
4. California Zephyr
5. Denver Zephyr
6. Empire Builder
7. Exposition Flyer
8. Mainstreeter
9. Mark Twain Zephyr
10. Nebraska Zephyr
11. North Coast Limited
12. Oriental Limited
13. Sam Houston Zephyr
14. Silver Streak Zephyr
15. Texas Zephyr
16. Twin Cities Zephyr (am, pm)
17. Western Star
18. Zephyr Rocket

Chicago Great Western (CGW)

1. Mill Cities Limited
2. Minnesotan
3. Nebraska Limited
4. Omaha Express

Chicago, Indianapolis, and Louisville (Monon) (CI&L)

1. Bluegrass
2. Thoroughbred
3. Tippecanoe

Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul, and Pacific (Milwaukee Road) (CMSP&P)

1. Afternoon Hiawatha
2. Chippewa
3. Olympian Hiawatha
4. Morning Hiawatha
5. Pioneer Limited
6. Southwest Limited

Chicago, Rock Island, and Pacific (Rock Island) (CRI&P)

1. Choctaw Express
2. Corn Belt Rocket
3. Des Moines-Chicago Rocket
4. Des Moines-Omaha Limited
5. Golden State
6. Hot Springs Limited
7. Imperial
8. LaSalle St. Limited
9. Mid-Continental Special
10. Peoria-Chicago Express
11. Rocky Mountain Rocket
12. Short Line Express
13. Southwest Express
14. Texas Rocket
15. Twin Star Rocket
16. Zephyr Rocket

Delaware and Hudson (D&H)

1. Laurentian
2. Montreal Limited
3. Mountain Express

Delaware, Lackawanna, and Western (Lackawanna) (DL&W)

1. Chicagoan
2. Keystone Express
3. Lackawanna Limited
4. Merchants Express
5. New York Mail
6. New Yorker
7. Nickel Plate Limited
8. Owl
9. Phoebe Snow
10. Pittsburgh Express
11. Pocono Express
12. Westerner

Denver and Rio Grande Western (Rio Grande) (D&RGW)

1. California Zephyr
2. Colorado Eagle
3. Exposition Flyer
4. Mountaineer
5. Prospector
6. Royal Gorge
7. Yampa Valley Mail

Dominion Atlantic (DA)

1. Gull

Erie (Erie)

1. Atlantic Express
2. Erie Limited
3. Lake Cities
4. Mountain Express
5. Pacific Express
6. Southern Tier Express

Florida East Coast (FEC)

1. Champion (East Coast)
2. City of Miami
3. Dixie Flagler
4. Dixie Flyer
5. Dixie Limited
6. Everglades
7. Flamingo
8. Florida Special
9. Georgian
10. Havana Special (East Coast)
11. Kansas City
12. Florida Special
13. Memphian
14. Miamian
15. Palmland
16. South Wind
17. Southland
18. Sunchaser

Grand Trunk Western (GTW)

1. Inter-City Limited
2. International Limited
3. New York Express
4. LaSalle

Great Northern (GN)

1. Cascadean
2. Empire Builder
3. Fast Mail
4. Gopher
5. Oriental Limited
6. Pacific Coast Express
7. Red River
8. Western Star
9. Winnipeg Limited

Gulf Coast and Santa Fe (GC&SF)

1. California Special
2. Ranger
3. Texas Chief

Gulf, Mobile, and Ohio (GM&O)

1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Advance Midnight Special
3. Alton Limited
4. Ann Rutledge
5. Gulf Coast Rebel
6. Mail
7. Midnight Special
8. Night Hawk
9. Prairie State Express

Illinois Central (IC)

1. Chickasaw
2. City of Miami
3. City of New Orleans
4. Daylight
5. Green Diamond
6. Hawkeye
7. Illini
8. Iowan
9. Land O'Corn
10. Louisiane
11. Miss Lou
12. Night Diamond
13. Northern Express
14. Northwestern Limited
15. Panama Limited
16. Planter
17. Seminole
18. Southern Express
19. Southwestern Limited
20. Sunchaser

Ilinois Terminal (IT) (added by siberianmo)

1. Capitol Limited
2. City of Decatur
3. Fort Crevecoeur
4. Illini
5. Illmo
6. Mound City
7. Owl
8. Peoria Flyer
9. St. Louis Flyer
10. Sangamon

Kansas City Southern (KCS)

1. Flying Crow
2. Shreveporter
3. Southern Belle

Lehigh Valley (LV)

1. Asa Packer
2. Black Diamond
3. John Wilkes
4. Major
5. New York Express
6. Star

Louisville and Nashville (L&N)

1. Azalean
2. Dixie Flagler
3. Dixie Flyer
4. Dixie Limited
5. Flamingo
6. Georgian
7. Hummingbird
8. Pan-American
9. Piedmont Limited
10. South Wind
11. Southland

Maine Central (MC)

1. Gull

Minneapolis and St. Louis Railway (M&SL)

1. Day Express
2. Night Express

Minneapolis, St. Paul, and Sault Ste. Marie (Soo Line) (MSP&SSM)

1. Laker
2. Soo Dominion
3. Winnipeger

Missouri-Kansas-Texas (Katy) (MKT)

1. Bluebonnet
2. Katy Flyer
3. Katy Limited
4. Sooner
5. Texas Special

Missouri-Pacific (MP)

1. Colorado Eagle
2. Houstonian
3. Louisiana Sunshine Special
4. Missouri River Eagle
5. Missourian
6. Orleanean
7. Ozarkan
8. Pioneer
9. Rainbow Special
10. Royal Gorge
11. Southerner
12. Star
13. Sunshine Special
14. Texan
15. Texas Eagle

Nashville, Chattanooga, and St. Louis (NC&SL)

1. Dixie Flagler
2. Dixie Flyer
3. Dixie Limited
4. Georgian

National Railways of Mexico (NRM)

1. Sunshine Special

New York Central (NYC)

1. Berkshire
2. Booth Tarkington
3. Buffalo-Pittsburgh Express
4. Canadian
5. Chicago Express
6. Chicago Mercury
7. Chicagoan
8. Cincinnati Special
9. Cleveland Limited
10. Cleveland Mercury
11. Cleveland-Columbus Special
12. Columbus-Cleveland Special
13. Commodore Vanderbilt
14. Detroiter
15. DeWitt Clinton
16. Easterner
17. Empire State Express
18. Fifth Avennue Special
19. Forest City
20. Gateway
21. Great Lakes
22. Hendrick Hudson
23. Interstate Express
24. Iroquois
25. James Whitcomb Riley
26. Knickerbocker
27. Laurentian
28. Michigan
29. Michigan Special
30. Midnight Special
31. Midwestern
32. Minute Man
33. Missourian
34. Mohawk
35. Montreal Limited
36. Motor City Special
37. Mountain Express
38. New England States
39. New York Special
40. Niagara
41. North Shore Limited
42. North Star
43. Northerner
44. Ohio Special
45. Ohio State Limited
46. Ontarion
47. Overseas
48. Pacemaker
49. Pittsburgh-Buffalo Express
50. Royal York
51. South Shore
52. Southwestern State Special
53. Sycamore
54. Texas Special
55. Tuscarora
56. Twentieth Century Limited
57. Twilight Limited
58. Wolverine

New York, Chicago, and St. Louis (Nickel Plate Road) (NYC&SL)

1. Chicagoan
2. New York Mail
3. New Yorker
4. Nickel Plate Limited
5. Westerner

New York, New Haven, and Hartford (New Haven) (NH)

1. Bankers
2. Champion
3. Colonial
4. Cotton Blossom
5. Everglades
6. Federal
7. Havana Special
8. Merchants Limited
9. Miamian
10. Montrealer
11. Palmetto
12. Palmland
13. Patriot
14. Peach Queen
15. Pilgrim
16. Quaker
17. Senator
18. Silver Meteor
19. Silver Star
20. Sunland
21. Valley Express
22. William Penn
23. Washingtonian

Norfolk and Western (N&W)

1. Birmingham Special
2. Cannon Ball
3. Cavalier
4. Chicago Daylight Express
5. Chicago Night Express
6. Cincinnati Daylight Express
7. Cincinnati Night Express
8. Pelican
9. Pocahantas
10. Powhatan Arrow
11. Southerner
12. Tennessean
13. Union

Northern Pacific (NP)

1. Alaskan
2. Mainstreeter
3. North Coast Limited
4. St. Paul-Winnipeg

Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR)

1. Admiral
2. American
3. Azalean
4. Birmingham Special
5. Broadway Limited
6. Cannon Ball
7. Champion
8. Chicago Arrow
9. Chicago Daylight Express
10. Chicago Night Express
11. Cincinnati Daylight Express
12. Cincinnati Limited
13. Cincinnati Night Express
14. Clevelander
15. Colonial
16. Congressional
17. Cotton Blossom
18. Crescent
19. Detroit Arrow
20. Duquesne
21. Everglades
22. F. F. V.
23. Federal
24. Fort Pitt
25. General
26. George Washington
27. Golden Triangle
28. Gotham Limited
29. Havana Special
30. Hummingbird
31. Iron City Express
32. Jeffersonian
33. Juanita
34. Keystone Express
35. Liberty Limited
36. Mail
37. Manhattan Limited
38. Miamian
39. Mid-City Express
40. Montrealer
41. Northern Arrow
42. Palmetto
43. Palmland
44. Pan American
45. Patriot
46. Peach Queen
47. Pelican
48. Pennsylvania Limited
49. Pennsylvanian
50. Philadelphia Express
51. Philadelphia Night Express
52. Piedmont Limited
53. Pilgrim
54. Pittsburgh Express
55. Pittsburgher
56. Quaker
57. Rainbow
58. Red Arrow
59. Red Bird
60. Senator
61. Silver Comet
62. Silver Meteor
63. Silver Star
64. South Wind
65. Southerner
66. Southland
67. Spirit of St. Louis
68. Sportsman
69. St. Louisan
70. Sunland
71. Tennessean
72. Texas Eagle
73. Texas Special
74. Trailblazer
75. Union
76. Valley Special
77. Washingtonian
78. William Penn

Pittsburgh and Lake Erie (P&LE)

1. Buffalo-Pittsburgh Express
2. Pittsburgh-Buffalo Express
3. Washingtonian

Reading (RDG) (added by siberianmo)

1. Crusader
2. Wall Street
3. Schuylkill
4. King Coal
5. Harrisburg Special
6. Queen of the Valley
7. North Penn

Richmond, Fredericksburg, and Potomac (RF&P)

1. Cannon Ball
2. Champion
3. Cotton Blossom
4. Everglades
5. Havana Special
6. Miamian
7. Palmetto
8. Palmland
9. Silver Comet
10. Silver Meteor
11. Silver Star
12. Sunland

St. Louis-San Francisco (Frisco) (SLSF)

1. Firefly
2. Florida Special
3. Kansas City-Florida Special
4. Lone Star
5. Memphian
6. Meteor
7. Morning Star
8. Oklahoman
9. Sunnyland
10. Texas Special
11. Will Rogers

St. Louis Southwestern (Cotton Belt) (SLSW)

1. Lone Star
2. Morning Star

Seaboard Air Line (SAL)

1. Cotton Blossom
2. Orange Blossom Special
3. Palmland
4. Silver Comet
5. Silver Meteor
6. Silver Star
7. Sunland

Spokane, Portland & Seattle (SP&S) (added by siberianmo)

1. Columbia River Express
2. Empire Builder
3. Oriental Limited
4. Western Star
5. North Coast Limited
6. Mainstreeter

Southern Pacific (SP)

1. Acadian
2. Alamo
3. Argonaut
4. Beaver
5. Border Limited
6. Cascade
7. City of San Francisco
8. Coaster
9. Del Monte
10. Gold Coast
11. Golden State
12. Hustler
13. Imperial
14. Klamath
15. Lark
16. Mail
17. Morning Daylight
18. Noon Daylight
19. Oakland Lark
20. Owl (2)
21. Passenger (2)
22. Rouge River
23. San Francisco Challenger
24. San Francisco Overland
25. Sunbeam
26. Sunset Limited
27. West Coast

Southern Railway (SR)

1. Aiken-Augusta Special
2. Asheville Special
3. Birmingham Special
4. Carolina Special
5. Crescent
6. Florida Special
7. Peach Queen
8. Pelican
9. Piedmont Limited
10. Ponce de Leon
11. Royal Palm
12. Southerner
13. Sunnyland
14. Tennessean

Toronto, Hamilton, and Buffalo (TH&B)

1. Ontarion

Union Pacific (UP)

1. Butte Special
2. City of Denver
3. City of Los Angeles
4. City of Portland
5. City of St. Louis
6. City of San Francisco
7. Columbine
8. Gold Coast
9. Idahoan
10. Los Angeles Challenger
11. Los Angeles Limited
12. Northwest Special
13. Pacific
14. Pony Express
15. Portland Rose
16. San Francisco Challenger
17. San Francisco Overland
18. Spokane
19. Utahn
20. Yellowstone Special

Wabash Railroad (WRR)

1. Banner Blue
2. Blue Bird
3. City of Kansas City
4. City of St. Louis
5. Detroit Limited
6. Midnight Special
7. Omaha Limited
8. Red Bird
9. St. Louis Limited (2)
10. Wabash Cannon Ball

Western Pacific (WP)

1. California Zephyr
2. Exposition Flyer
3. Royal Gorge

Western Railway of Alabama (WRA)

1. Piedmont Limited


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Again:

Hokey smokes, Bullwinkle! A most excellent list of psr train names.

work safe

[nickinwestwales]

[4:-)]TOM-I`m speechless-does Cindy do your typing for you ? that must have taken a day and a night-how do you get anything else done.........wow.........nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Good Mornin’ Gang!

I seem to have gotten “behinder” the harder I try to move ahead! [swg]

“Taps” were a bit early in Siberianmo’s Haus last night as “Reveille” was early (as always)! Had to give the old body a chance to recharge, so to speak. [swg]

Some brief acknowledgments are in order, and there are quite a few I see. Good show and ‘bout time at that! [tup][tup]

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 Nov 2005, 19:11:56

<Geesh> Rob that is quite a labor you put forth in compiling that fantastic listing of CN’s diesel motive power. 4.0 job for sure! [tup][tup][tup] Wish earlydiesels Dan would make a recovery and comeback, for he’d surely enjoy this fine Post of yours.

Theodorebear Posted: 15 Nov 2005, 20:41:58

Things just aren’t the same ‘round here without you, “ole timer,” and it’s good to see that you’ve resurfaced. [tup] Received and replied and received the Emails! [swg]

“Iron Clad” and the “Ogre” has a nice “ring” to it …. Good references! [tup] [swg] Boris didja hear that [?] You’re not only a cloven footed Transylvanian, you are now also the Ogre of “Our” Place [yeah][wow] I think it’s time to take your Iron Clad buddy, Tex the Armadillo out back to let him do what has to be done! <phew>

pwolfe Pete Posted: 15 Nov 2005, 21:51:09

I know several of you enjoyed the Fallen Flag series by the responses that have been Posted. Appreciate the support! [tup][tup] You surely will enjoy todays “Extra” that I’ve compiled. Took quite a bit of time typing all of that ……. Couldn’t cut ‘n paste it for some reason.

You’re off the hook regarding the subway vs trolley reference! [swg] Okay, Vito the Hit, scratch him off your list - no, no, no – don’t scratch him per se! <Geesh>

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 00:45:33 and 00:52:19

Don’t quite know what to make of those 1942 K-rations you found. This building has been here for decades and decades. Must’ve been a private stash you came up with. My guess is the stuff is alright – mix up a pot and test it on Boris [swg]

Interesting stuff on the Civil War Canadian RR connection. Since you, Sir, are our Canadian contact man – I’d expect s’more on this! Don’t expect the “Yanks” to do all the work! <Geesh> Nice try! [swg]

jlampke John Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 05:45:38

As you can see, John at times this is a very busy place. Since we boast of being interactive and a place where acknowledgments are provided to one and all (exceptions being the “hit ‘n run” and “jerks” who from time to time wander in) it takes time to prepare these replies. Sorry it you have been waitin’ too long! [swg]

So, [#welcome] to ”Our” Place and enjoy the drink! [tup] By the by, you order it, we’ve got it! That’s the way things are done ‘round here. The only thing I cannot promise are beers from the Micro Breweries across the world. Hard to get ‘em through our Distributor! [swg] So, we stick with the bottled and draughts of the more familiar heralds. Hard stuff, we’ve got it – lots of it!

No problems with asking questions, for I’m sure you’ll receive responses over time. However, some reciprocity goes a looooooooong way, so don’t be shy about “talking up” your RR knowledge and experiences.

nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 06:57:17

A daylight visit from our West Wales Connection and Chief Chef (albeit part-time now) [C=:-)], Nick! How’s that for an intro [?][?] [swg]

Well, it appears we’ve got a “lock” on four commitments to the First Annual ”Our” Place Rendezvous in Toronto! in May 2006. As the Emails have been flying back and forth, just thought I’d drop this word on ya this AM. Friday, the 12th of May we’ll be “doing Toronto” on steel rails. Via Rail, GO, subways and street cars. Should be one hulluva good time, not to mention the Thursday, Friday and Saturday evenin’ get togethers! [yeah][wow]

I will definitely keep you in mind regarding my subway project as I know there will be some obstacles to overcome. Give that this is “Pike Persepctive’s Day” I can get away with this subject! [swg] The entire layout is supported by folding metal legs – lots of ‘em for the 32 ft length and 15 ½ foot width (widest point) of the Can-Am. The subway will be restricted to a run beneath Can-Am city – I figure something on the order of a 3 ½ x 7 or 8 ft space. Very simple affair – an oval within an oval – trains runnin’ in opposite directions. Stations and detailed tunnels will be made on my work bench and fitted into the spaces provided. The “portals” or “shadow box windows” have yet to be constructed, but I’m planning on three of them that will provide the only views of the trains beneath the city. There will be illumination from above – just sufficient to provide the viewer with sufficient light to catch the details. Should be fun, and of course a labor.

Appreciate the round! So while the bride’s away, the cat will play, eh [?] Hey – I’ve been there, done that, and will do it again! [swg]

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 07:08:33

Thanx for the “plugs” for “Our” Place. Nothin’ ventured, nothin’ gained, as someone far more profound in thinkin’ than I, said once or thrice! [swg]

Yes, the Rendezvous is movin’ ahead – and discussed within this Epistle. Really, really lookin’ forward to it. [tup][tup][tup]

Your mention of pix brings to mind that we seem to be in a drought of sorts with the Sunday Photo Posting Day! theme. I don’t have a problem with an occasional photo being Posted, but when it comes to a series of ‘em, let’s save those for Sunday.

coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 07:53:45

Good Day, Sir. Thanx for the round and quarters for Herr Wurlitzer!. Good selections, as usual for the AM’s “background’ music. [swg]

Man oh man, why in such a hurry [?] Isn’t like you at all. That Permanent Stool we awarded you just a short time ago is meant to be sat upon, not used to spring board yourself outta here! [swg]

When you come up for air, you may want to scroll back a page or three – there’s some questions and comments to be addressed. [tup]

nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 07:53:52

If there’s one thing I can count on ‘round here it is my staff comin’ up with more things for ME to do! [swg] I’ve got to rethink this relationship ……..

For John and anyone else:

Additional smilies may be found at this URL:

http://www.railroadforum.com/forum/faq.asp#smilies

Wait for them to load and then RIGHT click on whatever one you are interested in. Go to PROPERTIES and copy the URL shown – the entire URL. Then paste it in your document.

Here’s the ESSENTIAL part: You must use the bracketed img before and after the URL with no spaces. The last bracketed img looks like this /img – be sure to use the brackets [].

coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 08:31:52

So, how ‘bout some reciprocity! [?] Glad you liked it …….

nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 08:50:25

If there’s one thing you’ll never convince me of, it is you being speechless! [swg]

She didn’t’ – It did – I don’t! [swg]

Catch y’all later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


My nagging reminder to all! – When Posting, try not to check out immediately thereafter. Review your Post (wait for it to “come up” on the screen) and you just may find that there is another right before or after yours. Then hit the “Refresh” button. This works and prevents one from missing someone else’s timely input. You can always “edit” your submission to include commentary for the more recent “stuff.”

[trolleyboy]

Morning Tom just a coffee and samich as I'm shortly to work for the day.[sigh]
Loved the named passenger trains, you put one by me that I didn't even know about. The TH&B Ontarion,I'll have to do "smore" reading.[tup]

I did mix up some of the K's for Boris and Tex. One question though are they supposed to be grey and lumpy ? [xx(][:O] No worries Boris and Tex loved them,should cut down on the dog food bill.[:D]

Ted Now hold on you start a topic thread someone answers and then you defer it till later ? Sheesh. seriously though it should be a good topic starter. that really early steam is on the interesting side. I have a bit of B&O info I will share later once you get your thoughts going on it. Happy wiring BTW [:D] I know your pain, though perhaps a drastic if you can't soarce it pull it out and redo might be in order. I do like Nick's Basil Fawlty suggestion though. Works for me [tup][:D]


Nick ,CM3, & Tom Glad you liked the diesel roster,took a bit of time to type up,and that was only the US based locomotives on the GTW/DTI DWP, and CV. The CN list proper is at least twice as long.[:O] Not sure if I will bother posting it, at least not in it's entirity in one sitting at any rate. Should give an idea of how the power was spread out. As CM3 said they tended to trade power back and forth quite readily,thankfully complete renumbering wasn't usually done,notable exceptions are the DTS and DT&I locomotives that generally got a didget or two added to their numbers. CNR has generally always used 4 didget numbers on their diesels still do today.

Tom I think Dan would have enjoyed it. Well when he gets back up and running, I can alway's rerun it on an encore saturday.


CM3 Nice list of NYC coal customers as well.I've never thought of the NYC as a major coal carrier,see you learn something everyday.[tup] I wonder why any of us bother with the rest of the forum with the info to be had here. Tom set up a round for the Boys and girls [tup]

John glad you've made it back, question away we are happy to help,though as Tom said don't be affraid to pop in a word or two as well.Tom & Nick covered the smilies farly well. I found it handy to jot down the symbol codes for the ones I us ethe most, easier for me that way. Just a small hint as it were.


Since it's pike's perspectives day, I haven't much new to report ( been typing too much [:-^] ) . I did lay out the lower town and began some final spiking and tamping down of the track. Used the handy dandy alligator clips on the rail ends to move a couple of the stretcars through the city scape. Should work out well. I had two brills passeach other and with a few people and cars in trucks thrown in the pink foam roads didn't look all that out of place. I did snap a couple shots and will post them once they are developed.

The only other thing I accomplished this week was I finally tested the old walther's Birney I aquired a few months ago. It dates from the early 60's,and it's white metal body is quite heavy. To my supprise though it's old ( I'm assuming original ) 3 pole open frame motor still works.The noise frightened the cat and supprised me but man that ting can go. If it were a freight locomotive it could probably pull an impressive string of cars! Or at least uproot a stump or two!

I'll check back in this evening.

Rob
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[daveklepper]

The list of passenger trains is impressive but the total count of course is about double, on the average, because there were also the commuter, mixed, and plug runs, like the Witchita connection for the Colorado Eagle, and all those unnamed Boston Gloucester and Boston Portsmouth Boston and Maine trains. The C&O ran a Cincinnati - Hamond, IL passenger train for a short time after WWII. and in the summer of 1950 I rode the D&H's Scranton - Carbondale service, 2-8-0 pulling steel arch roofed open platform roller bearing coaches.

Ah yes, the LV, with their first modernization of old coaches into something more modern, with an egg-crate ceiling under flourescent light so that when you reclined your comfortable coach seat and attempted to sleep you were blinded even with eyes closed by the glare of the flourescents beamed right down on you. They did change that after a while. Proabably called in Otto Khuler to take a look at the problem.

But the wonderful memories of being *** Horstmann's "share of expenses" guest on LV353.

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

I wasn't going to do this, as I wanted to take a loooooooooooong break from the keyboard. However, my landscaping of the S Capades is in the drying stages, and I'm waitin'..... [swg]

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 10:57:32

It's a good thing that you aren't retired, given the amont of time YOU are spending at the keyboard! Always can tell when you are "off.'" [swg]

Good idea about the CN diesels Post for Dan. I've sent him an Email (again), as I have done with Dave just to let them know they are missed 'round here. [tup]

Well, I'd say grey and lumpy K-rations are probably "right on!" So, don't sweat the smalll stuff, but for goodness sake - don't eat of it! [swg]

Just thought of something - now that I'm "locked" in for our Rendezvous better test run that CN F7 we've discussed! The PCC car is still in the box - as new as the wind driven snow! [:D]

I can recall seeing strings of NYC coal hoppers back in the 40's and 50's. In the mid-50's, I was watching other things - the ocean swells, gulls, and gals ashore! [swg]

daveklepper Dave Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 10:57:50

Given that we are an interactive site, I normally do not respond to the "hit 'n run" Posts. However, you are a "known" to me and you've made a postive contribution to the conversation regarding those Classic name passenger trains that I posted.

As the lead in mentioned, the list was never intended to be all inclusive, that's why I used the word, "Some." Further, I would never, ever suggest that I have the background and knowledge base to compile an "end all" list. <Good Grief!>

You are absolutely on the mark though, given the numbers of "other" trains making their respective ways throughout the continent.

Had you been a regular 'round here, you would have been Tweeeeeeeet, Tweeeeet'd for a Rules Violation. Rule #1 - Greet the barkeep upon entering. Rule #2 - order a drink (we have to pay the bills, doncha know!) But, you are not - so no sweat.

Okay guys (guyz - got that, trolleyboy [?]), I'm back to gettin' a few things done. I'll still take care of the bar and sandwich orders.

Watch for the NOSTALGIA piece! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[wanswheel]

Tom, just a Diet Dr. Pepper thanks

These pages here sort of reminds me of a long and wobbly walk to the observsation car.

Tom I enjoyed the list of passenger trains, many beloved old names there. Best of all at the moment, it confirms my belief that the Montrealer was a joint operation by 4 railroads. However I think of the Washingtonian as the same train, just going in the opposite direction.

Coalminer your reference to St. Albans really hit the spot.
My grandfather and 2 of his brothers, farm boys from Prince Edward Island, found work there on the CV in the early 1900s. All 3 became engineers. First they had to shovel some coal, of course.

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #26

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Chicago, Milwaukee, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad (The Milwaukee Road) from an advertisement in Classic American Trains


”Gee, Daddy, they had a private car just for us ladies.”

That’s right, young lady. There is a combination Touralux-coach, with 8 berth sections and 24 reserved coach seats exclusively for women and children on The Milwaukee Roads OLMYPIAN HIAWATHA.

The tastefully decorated Touralux sleeping cars have individually lighted and air conditioned berths. Yet berth cost and fare on a round trip between Chicago and Seattle is about $37 less than in standard sleepers.

You can travel in comfortable, reclining chair coaches . . . for less than 2 cents a mile . . . round trip between Chicago and Seattle only $76.20 plus tax.

While the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA offers these unique advantages for the thrifty, it also provides de luxe Pullman accommodations. No matter what your choice, you enjoy fine food, friendly service and a fast schedule of 45 hours between Chicago and the Pacific north coast over a gloriously scenic route.

You can go to California via Seattle-Tacoma at little or no added rail fare. Ask your local railroad agent, or write: F. N. Hicks, Passenger Traffic Manager, 708 Union Station, Chicago 6, Illinois.

. . . . . . . . . .OLYMPIAN Hiawatha
. . . . . . . . . . . . Daily service between . . . . . . . . .
CHICAGO-MILWAUKEE-TWIN CITIES –MILES CITY-BUTTE-SPOKANE-SEATTLE-TACOMA

Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad – THE MILWAUKEE ROAD


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

CHECK THE MONDAY SUMMARY and INDEX PAGES FOR MORE GREAT NOSTALGIA POSTS!

[siberianmo]

Hello again wanswheel Mike!

An aspect of cyber space is we can pretty much make this place anything we want it to be. One can imbibe or not, one can orate or not, and one can particpate or else! [swg]

Whatever "floats your boat" is fine with us, Mike just as long as YOU feel comfortable with US! [tup] 'Nuf said on that score and I hope our regulars let it go at that as well. <HINT!>

I like your analogy of the long and wobbyly walk to the observation car. That has a special meaning for my wife and I. We are Via Rail travelers and have been for approaching 16 years. Most of our trips have been between Montreal and Halifax, although we have crossed Canada twice aboard the Canadian on round trips between Toronto and Vancouver. In bring this up simply to mention that we generally book our bedroom in the rearmost car of the train - the Park Car, which is a Budd stainless steel observation dome car with 4 bedrooms, two lounges, and of course a great 24 seat dome. So, we've made that walk many times back from the dining car, or simply back from a "tour" of the train, sometimes with as many as 22 cars, while rolling to our destination. Long and wobbly is just about right! [tup]

I recommend you consider use of a word processing program for compiling anything that you want to Post on this or other threads. It surely will save you the grief of having something "lost" in the Ether - which happens! By having your work "saved" to a WP program, it never gets lost. Once you are ready, just cut 'n paste it over to the "Message" block - review it - and submit. It's that simple a process - really! [tup]

Glad you enjoyed the list of Classic name passenger trains. That's precisely why it was Posted - for all to enjoy! [tup]

Don't be a stranger, and your Dr. Pepper is right over there ....... (Diet, of course!) [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

The Cast of Characters from ”Our” Place

siberianmo Tom is the Proprietor and head bartender. [4:-)][oX)]

Theodorebear Ted is the Manager.

nickinwestwales Nick is Chief Chef. [C=:-)]

trolleyboy Rob is the Bar Chandler.

Boris is - well, he’s Boris who works in the kitchen and anywhere else needed. He was hired by Nick, Chief Chef and is assistant cook. He’s not too hard to spot, as Boris is not of this world. Kinda difficult to maintain eye contact with him. He’s playful and unaware of his strength. We do not permit him to tend bar – however, he loves to ring the bell when a round is purchased.

Tex the Armadillo is Boris’ pet!

Awk the Parrot is Tom's pet!

Leon the Night Man is Tom’s relief behind the bar around 9 PM or so, Central Time. He closes up. He’s easily recognized by his rather large size, enormous hands, and shiny brand new Jump Boots. Leon also serves as Doorman and Bouncer for special events and may be seen in a tuxedo – with Jump Boots of course.

Inspector Clueless of the Local Constabulary and his earstwhile friend and companion Mr. Doyle, Private Investigator make up the security force ‘round here.

The Gals of “Our Place” are:

Ruth the redhead – Ann the blonde – Lucy the brunette and Jemima the raven haired beauty. These gals were found and hired by Tom and named by Nick. They work evenings, pretty much anywhere in the place, Thursday thru Saturday, and special events. Look, but don’t touch – at least not while on duty!

Then there’s Cindy with the auburn hair. She’s a faculty member from the Mentor Village all female University – right up the road. She’s not paid, but loves to volunteer her services either behind the bar – for me – or in the kitchen, with Nick. She’s also active in the local Victoria’s Secret lingerie shows …….

Then of course, there are all of YOU!

Tom, Proprietor of "Our" Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[jdonald]

Good afternoon Tom & all. Have been hanging around outside the front door of "OUR" Place for a couple of weeks-guess its time to come in and say hello.
I'll have an Alexander Keiths and one for yourself . That was an impressive list of passenger trains, by the way.
Rob- have enjoyed your info from Ian Wilsons "Steam at Allandale", especially the section on the Huntsville Sub. I have been fortunate enough to get "
Steam over Palmerston" and "To Stratford Under Steam" (although I had to designate them as a Christmas Gift in Sept). Hope to get "Steam Through London" before it goes out of print. Hm-maybe an early birth day present.
Tom-back to your list of psgr trains-four of the CNR trains ran through Sarnia in the early 50's(Toronto to Chicago). It was a black day in 1957 when the International etc began running through the St. Clair tunnel behind the GTW 4900 series GP9s. They certainly made a racket coming up the hill out of the tunnel with 12-15 cars of #20. Not like the electrics-they snuck into the station without ever hearing them!
I have many other memories of steam and early diesel running through Sarnia in the 50's-hope to share them in some future postings.
I live 1 block from the CSX Sarnia-Chatham line(formerelyChessie,C&0 and Pere Marquette. If anyone has any snippets of info regarding PM operations in SW Ontario in 30's 40's & 50's I would be interested in hearing them.
Also have an interest in British steam after riding behind restored steam on some railways in Britain in 1996.

Thanx for listening. See ya.

Don

[siberianmo]

[#welcome] Aboard, jdonald Don!

You, Sir are a rare individual indeed. For you have entered this thread and our site in a most courteous and approprite manner. For that, the first TWO drinks are on the house! [tup][tup] You also know how to greet and treat the bartender - Keiths just happens to be my all time favorite brew! [tup] Thanx!

From your Profile, I gathered that you will thorougly enjoy what goes on 'round here. Especially with your "neighbor" trolleyboy Rob being a Charter Member of this establishment and one of our most faithful supporters. It is indeed a pleasure to welcome you.

That list of Classic name passenger trains has perked some interest 'round here! [tup] Glad it brought back some memories for you.

You've indicated that you've been hanging around our door for a couple of weeks. So, now that you are inside, may I suggest that you check us out [?] Page one is a good place to begin. Then perhaps scroll back 5 or 6 pages from here, just to get a "feel" for the way things are done in this fine, upstanding, everything above board, adult eating 'n drinking establishment! <phew> I think you've gotten the message. [swg]

We have a couple of guys who will keep you going on British Rail, steam and otherwise. Just look for pwolfe Pete and nickinwestwales Nick. You'll know them just as soon as they begin to speak! [swg] <grin>

Catch ya later and don't be a stranger!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening fellow funsters,sure is busy round these parts this night-not even room outside to park the Bentley-had to get Jeeves to drop me off across the street,very poor show dontcherknow.............What ho [4-:)]TOM-whilst a pink gin would be in character,I will stick with a bottle or four of Prague`s finest,you I would guess will be staying with Mr Keith`s fine Ales & I`m sure DON will join you,plus of course,a round for the chaps and whilst it doesn`t do to encourage the `lower orders` I think we can send a pitcher back for Boris et al. soooo, whats appertaining in this fair hostelry..?...
CM3-interesting rundown on L.V. motive power-boy did they ever believe in shopping around-suggest the size of the maintenance shops might be related to the volume of service manuals required,whilst I would be the first to suggest that standardisation makes for dull train watching,that list reads more like a modellers roster.
In fairness,it should be acknowledged that the 1923 `groupings` over here left the new `big four` companies with loco fleets that generally had only the gauge in common.
I note in your mines list you give one of the cannelton pits as being owned by the Algoma co. or similar -would this be anything to do with the Algoma Central up in Ontario or just a coincidence of names ?
On the matter of subsidance(sp?) the next village up river from us,where my parents have a house,was until 1948 an active anthracite mining community ( the westernmost edge of the main Welsh valleys seam ) and all banks/mortgage lenders etc require a full seismelogical survey before coughing up the dosh on any properties there ( A neighbour of the folks used to live in one of the old pit buildings,converted to a dwelling,until he woke up one day to find that the `capping` had dropped in and he had a 200ft deep hole outside his back door..........Ended up with a brand new purpose built house paid for by the National Coal Board )
As to `coal mining music`,check out `L & N` by Michelle Shocked,an East Texas folkie with a whole rep. of E.Tex,West Kentucky & Appalachian songs.
MIKE-nice to have a customer who can leave under their own steam at the end of the night [swg][tup]
DON-[#welcome] aboard the only show in town,as you can tell from the accent ( how DO they do that ?) I`m one of the `token Brits` the Guvnor is gracious enough to encourage and will be delighted to provide any info and/or pix that I can.
As a fan of Canadian rail ops we may well have some `cards to trade` so to speak. My primary interests are the old O.S & H line up to Barrie/Allendale & the O.N.R-the last `frontier` Railroad around ( IMHO [swg] ).

As all of our new customers will no doubt realise soon enough,behind the smokescreen of deranged and surreal banter we are lucky enough to have a number of genuine authorities in a number of areas of competance,all of whom are happily of the `show & tell` mindset so dont be shy,dive in and ask away..!!
O.K.-just gonna slip out to the galley and drop the fryers ready for Fish & Chip night tomorrow then I`ll be back out for a little tete-a-tete with the boss man about the Can-Am Metro,see you in a bit,nick[C=:-)]

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Just time for a quick CR and a round for the house.
The reason for my short post is regarding the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA add re the women and childrens car. This car lasted less than a year in OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA service.
The six cars had coach seating for 36 and eight Touralux sections as well. They were named and numbered as follows:
5770 SIOUX FALLS
5771 CHIPPEWA FALLS
5772 GRANITE FALLS
5773 CRYSTAL FALLS
5774 METALINE FALLS
5775 CANNON FALLS
Although removed from the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA in 1948 They seeemed to linger in Milwaukee for a long period of time before it was decided what to do with them. Between May and August 1951 5770, 5771, and 5773 were rebuilt to full Touralux cars and renumbered and renamed 5752 MT. CHITTENDEN, 5753 MT. JUPITER and 5754 MT. TACOMA respectively
The other three 5772,5774 and 5775 were rebuilt to 48 seat coaches and renumbered 552,553 and 554 respectively between November 1951 and January 1952.

TTFN AL

[nickinwestwales]

O.K.-Thats the galley sorted ( that beaver-in-chainmail thing has GOT to go-It`ll take days to get that stuff out of my boot treads and as for Boris`s apron-I know Ive been on `French leave` for a week or two but surely someone could have dealt with it-it looks like a map of the Phillipines )
O.K-Set `em up again [4:-)]TOM and lets get down to it.
First off,what kind of board does the main Can-Am system sit on ?-You guys seem to have a fondness for that weird pink foam stuff, If that,can it be used to hang brackets from ?-If so I would recommend `U` shaped hangers but squared off ( if that makes any sense ) secured to the main board with plasterboard ( drywall ? ) fixings to spread the load. Make the connecting sections permanent fixtures with the viewing scenes as drop outs. screen the outer edges with hardboard which will bend neatly round the curves but leave the inner face open to allow for track cleaning,derailments (faulty wheelsets,nothing to do with tracklaying [swg] ) for electrical connections between sections I would recommend stereo audio jack plugs & sockets (available from any guitar shop ) < 1-inner track 2- outer track 3- common return >to allow for easy removal for maintenance or extra detail.
Will devote some thought to methods of securing drop outs for easy single handed removal.
As to lighting,how about plain white Xmas tree bulb strings-fed through 5mm copper tube ( available over here as `micro-bore` central heating pipe ) for platform lights ( will also act as heat sink,although hardly necessary at that voltage,still,better safe than sorry). There are some good adjustable `station stop` modules on the market which will also trigger signals( very effective in a low-light environment )
Now,before you finalise plans,as a natural born stirrer-how about an end-to-end link from Metro to surface ( again,auto reverse modules available)-perhaps using the Can-Am/Cymru tunnel entrance mooted some months ago--simple 1 turn spiral to bring it up with a siding at each end to allow 3-train operation............ [:-,][:-^][}:)]
O.K-thats my [2c] worth,since it appears that the magic Wurlitzer has a copy of " A Bigger Bang",the Stones latest outing ( how DO they do that...) I think I will sit back, sup a while and enjoy "Rough Justice" "Dangerous Beauty" & "Sweet Neocom" and a handful from the Trojan Dub box set of top flight Jamaican sounds [{(-_-)}] --aah perhaps a glass or two of that sweet Jamaica rum to wash it down with.
Right,whose next ?...
see you in a bit,nick [C=:-)]

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all

A pint of the usual please.

TOM Many thanks for the Passenger Train Names until you see them listed together it is hard to think how many there were in the railroads hayday. The name GULL seems an odd name for a train although I see that at least two carried the name.The list made me think of the men who thought the names up. It would be an interesting story how they arrived at some of them.

JDONALD DON HI. As one of the English lot which lines over there did you travel on[?]

NICK When you said about the tanks on the River Class locos it reminded of their nickname which I believe was the Rolling Rivers they should have listened to the footplate crews.

Thanks for the info on the Tower mine. I was lucky enough to travel on some of the Monmouth Railway Society tours in the early 80swhich toured some of the South Wales frieght-only branches which served the coal mines there. They were operated by D.M.U.s which struggled on some of the climbs. It is really hard to get my head round that all these pits have gone.[V][:(].

Talking of Imported Coal reminded me of something I read. When a Preserved Railway in the U.K. had a problem when they had to use it. the conversation went like this.

COAL REP."Whats the matter with the imported coal?"
RAILWAY "It wont burn".
REP "Is that a problem then?".
Oh well[banghead] PETE.

[siberianmo]

Good Evenin’ Gents!

[wow] Where have all these Posts come from [?] Feast or famine ‘round here! This is great stuff, keep ‘er goin’ guys. [tup]

Time for the acknowledgments:

nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 16:22:46

That’s an interesting account of the coal mining and residential homes in your area. I would hope to shout that a new house would have been provided. I’ve heard of more than one situation where a person has gone into the basement only to find a huge hole where the floor once had been. That first step is a long one for sure! [swg[

You have obviously been getting through all of the previous Posts – fun, eh [?] This place has so much great stuff that it is a bit sad to think that much of it will simply dissipate into the Ether – maybe read once or twice, then gone ……. There are times when I go back 30 or 40 pages, just to refresh myself on what’s been passed. Amazin’ – simply amazin’! [tup]

Thanx for the round, as always – and yes, Keiths will do every time! Hope they have it at whatever place we gather in for our evenin’ Rendezvous in Toronto! Go on, Boris ring the bell – drinks on Nick!

passengerfan Al Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 17:07:25

Say it isn’t so, Al – say it isn’t so! Don’t tell me that the “only reason” for you dropping in was to elaborate on the “Olympian Hiawatha!” Surely, it was to tell me that you have enjoyed the listing of those Classic name passenger railroads, and all of the Posts we’ve had along the way – and our new customers! Say it isn’t so, Al – say it isn’t so! [swg]

One thing doesn ‘t change though and that’s your generosity – appreciate the round and so do the rest of the guys (guyz)! [tup][tup] Boris Ring it!

nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 17:41:37

Well, we’ve had this “problem” in getting Tex the Armadillo trained – so to speak. Boris is most times a day late and a dollar short when it comes to pooper scooping. There are some things we just have to adapt to: (1) Turn on the lights in each room before entering. (2) Always look down when walking. (3) Don’t pick up anything that resembles Goobers Peanuts or Raisins from the floor! [swg] Sorry, Mate!

Now let me get to the subway beneath the Can-Am, since it is “Pike Perspectives Day”. I will be using a sheet of that pink foam insulation, 2 inch thick. This is the very same stuff used with the Can-Am for the mountains and for the S Capades base. It is strong – it is light weight – it is easy to work with and it works!

The Can-Am layout has a black “curtain” around it from board level to the floor. Nothing is visible beneath the board, except a few pounds of Juneau’s hair – which goes well with the black “curtain!” [swg]

I will be using L brackets (probably 3 x 3 inch) that will be affixed to the underside of the Can-Am board (which is wood). Then I will fasten metal “strapping” to the loose end of the L that will extend down about 10 inches. At the end of that will be another L bracket that the foam board will rest upon. These brackets will be spaced appropriately so that there is no slack or movement. I will also have “cross bracing” beneath the pink foam board where needed to add additional support.

The 2 inch foam board will be cut into strips to accommodate the track. So the entire board will not be suspended from the underside of the Can-Am board – just strips, wide enough to accommodate a 2 track run. There will also be a “lip” on either side of the strips to prevent the cars from crashing to the floor. It won’t be visible as any areas viewed through the “portals” will be constructed to keep this out of sight.

Lighting may very well be nothing more than white Christmas bulbs – I have a few zillion of those strings from my former life. [swg] However, I’m leaning more toward white rope lighting for the areas that I want to illuminate at the “portals” or “shadowbox window” arrangements.

The subway system will have one station, beneath the existing Union Station that will be visible through a “portal.” Two other “portals” will be made to view the subway tunnel at other locations.

The track will be wired rather simply – since this is nothing more than one oval inside of another. A dual power pack will provide the juice for each consist of 4 cars running in opposite directions.

I have my eye on a module or two that will stop the train at the station – keep it there for a given period – then start it again.

I also may construct a non-working 3rd rail using the brass rail stock from my left over brass track from former layouts. This would only be used in those areas viewed through the “portals.”

The stock for the station walls and floor is available through an on line source, as are the other detailed items. Girders are also available for the subway tunnel. I should add that the tunnel will only be in existence at the “portals.” I see no reason to construct a detailed tunnel for areas not in view.

By the by – the second set of 4 cars arrived today. (These were the ones ordered first!) Anyway, they are more of a brownish/maroon color with silver roofs. They are exactly the same in detail as the “Red Birds.” I’ll try to get some pix out on them for Sunday Photo Posting Day!

So in summary, the subway system will run in an area no larger than 3 ½ x 7 or 8 ft. Two trains will be running and/or stopping at the station. The views of the system will be restricted to those areas where the “portals” are.

I appreciate the effort you put into your recommendations and will study what you’ve had to say. Since my plan isn’t really cast in stone, and I’m not too proud to change my mind, some of what you’ve offered may very well wind up incorporated into the Can-Am underground! [yeah]

Thanx Sir Nick! [tup][tup]

pwolfe Pete Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 17:42:10

Good to see ya, Mate! Given that we east, west and southern coasts in the contiguous states, I’d think the name “Gull” fits. Just my [2c] worth ….

I had similar thoughts too when I looked at the list of those Classic name passenger trains. Impressive to say the least!

By the by, I wouldn’t give up your “day job” to go into humo(u)r! [swg]


Catch y’all later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


My nagging reminder to all! – When Posting, try not to check out immediately thereafter. Review your Post (wait for it to “come up” on the screen) and you just may find that there is another right before or after yours. Then hit the “Refresh” button. This works and prevents one from missing someone else’s timely input. You can always “edit” your submission to include commentary for the more recent “stuff.”

[jdonald]

Evening Tom & all. Thanks for your warm welcome & advice. Since I'm not driving tonight I'll have another A.K. have one for yourself and since I'm the new guy-a round for the house also.

Nick Thanks for your welcome also. With an Irish wife and in-laws in England I've had to become adept at translating Briti***erms to N. American and vice-versa. (tire/tyre hood/bonnet etc.etc). Not familiar with the O.S. & H. but have an interest in the ONR also. I believe the have a s.i.g webite with some photos. I'll see if I can find it again.

PeteThanks for your welcome also. I rode on the Great Central and the North York Moors Rlwy and visited the Severn Valley Railway engine shed at Bridgnorth. Unfortunately the Railwaymans Arms pub wasn't open at the time but it sure looked inviting.

Tom Ive been trying to match up the CNR train names to the train #s as I remember them. #6,14&20 were eastbounds and 5,15&17 were westbounds.
It would follow that 5&6 would have the same name and 14&15 but it seems to me that there was some non logic in there somewhere.

In the CPR names "Royal York" rings a bell. Was riding on #17 and was being paced by a CPR train on parallel track around Komoka. One of us had to slow down for the diamond where the CN Strathroy sub crossed the CP but I don't recall which one. The CP train was the Royal York I believe and it was being pulled by one of the Royal Hudsons.

Bye for now, keep it on the rails.

Don

[passengerfan]

Good Evening Tom and the rest of the gang. How about a CR and a round for the house.
Tom I did not miss your list of 1948 named passenger trains but did not have time to go through it thoroughly.
After checking I have a couple of questions and maybe a couple of additions.
Under the C&IL you can add HOOSIER.
Under CB&Q delete MAINSTREETER and WESTERN STAR as neither train entered service until the 1950's.
Under the CMSTP&P add the COLUMBIAN this was the secondary Chicago- Seattle/Tacoma train.
Under GN add BADGER and PUGET SOUNDER. Delete RED RIVER and WESTERN STAR as both entered service after 1950.
Under NP delete MAINSTREETER as it too did not enter service until after 1950.
Under SP&S delete WESTERN STAR and MAINSTREETER.
But otherwise a great effort.
Thanks really appreciate the list.

TTFN AL

[nickinwestwales]

Hey bossman-looks like our thinking is running on the same lines here R.E. construction-working off from a timber base should make life a lot easier all round.....now how are we going to wangle a working escalator system up to main platform level.....[:-,]
You might wi***o consider one of those padded wheelie trolley things beloved of car mechanics to get under for the installation-alternatively,bribe one of the neighbourhood youths to do it for you. I forsee lower lumbar discomfort in your immediate future otherwise-still.no pain,no gain ( what manner of fool thought that one up ).anyhow,glad to be of some small assistance,if only to bounce ideas around.
PETE-wotcha mate !-Pint of Bathams on me,wholly agree R.E. the closed mines,but what is even more depressing are the `ghost town` communities left behind-truly soul destroying to wander down the main street and find that the chippy,the video rental & the 7-11/off license are the only stores still trading and even the pubs have boarded up the doors-I think you got out at the right time mate,all power to yer arm!
on a (slightly ) less depressing note,the last time I visited the Welshpool & Llanfair,I took a wander around the yard at Llanfair Caereinion and got chatting to some of the loco crew who were more than happy to point out the wormholes in the latest batch of alleged `coal`-Polish lignite again, which was of such poor quality that they were having to run with the firebox door open all the time to increase the draught and make two extra stops in each direction to raise steam and try to rake out the clinker from the firebox (there are a couple of pix on the site of the ex German military 0-8-0 tank & zillertal coaches at castle Caereinion -more available on request ).
AL-sorry mate,I didnt see you there-[4:-)]Tom, a large Crown Royale for yer man there,on my account.
Right,thats me done for the night,I have a couple of guitar and keyboard overdubs to put down on our latest demo offering then up in about 4 hours to get small demon Hannah dressed,fed & ready for school-my word,it`s fun being a grown-up !!!!
See you all tomorrow for fish & chip night,sleep well,be happy,nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Hey Guys!

What a loooooong day this has been - productive, profitable, prolific, but looooooooong!
I'm glad to see Leon the Night Man! [yeah]

jdonald Don Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 19:50:45

Thanx for the round! Boris Ring it! [tup]

Looks like you have found a "home" away from home. Glad to have you with us and we look forward to some interesting exchanges. Be sure not to let my 'direct' manner bother you - I'm just a bit on the 'abrupt' side! [swg]

Sorry, but I'm not help with regard to the precise data you may be lookin' for. As you may have noted, passengerfan Al is more inclined to get into that aspect of the conversations. [swg]


passengerfan Al Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 20:11:33

[wow] You sure have a way with words tonight - "otherwise a great effort." Hmmmmm, you did notice the word "Some" in the Post, eh [?] This was never meant to be all inclusive as a "list," however it got some conversation going, so it wasn't all lost. Oh, yes, I also indicated that the "list" was largely an effort of a source noted (with their permission). The only data entered which I can take "credit or blame" for was so noted.

The whole idea of this Post was to ENJOY the names of the trains - nothing more, nothing less. Oh well, can't please 'em all .......

I think you hurt my non-feelings! [swg] BUT, we'll still accept your round! Boris Do it again!

nickinwestwales Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 20:43:05

I'm about to check out myself - those [zzz] are gettin' to me. Working escalator! [?] You've got to be kiddin' me! [swg] This is going to be a simple design - the KISS principle applies. [tup]

I expect to have more than a few aches ' pains once I get into the construction phase of this grand design of mine. I should be all healed by the time the Rendezvous in Toronto rolls 'round! [swg]

Catch y'all in the AM - we open at 6. Leon has the bar! Boris Ring it again and give 'em all one on the house! [tup][tup]

Nite! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Tom and all the rest of you. I'll grab a keiths while I attempt to sort this lot out. Holy tarnation but you guys typed up a mini novel this evening [tup][swg]

Tom Your FA1 has been road tested and it purrs like a kitten. Think you will like the zebra stripes [tup]I'll take your word and not eat any of that grey grual we serve Boris and Tex as long as they are happy we are happy. I do tend to be a bit more prolifoc on my "daze" of, it's actually relaxing in a way, consider it my stress relief speacially this time of year.

Seems that between yourself and Nick you have your tube system all ready to rock and roll. Now thta you have the two subway sets I'll slowley work you into a Bowser brill [:-^] It's double ended so you don't need to add a loop you could set up an automatic back in forth on main street. I may even have an extra one if you wish one.


Don [#welcome] To the insanity that is our place. Other than Boris we are harmless,so's he as long as you pay your tab. Glad you have enjoyed the Ian Wilson tidbits. His writing style is wonderfull, not only is there great attention to detail,but he lets you know and feel exactly like you are part of the crews on the various frieght an Passenger runs. Stratford and London are both excellant and with you being in sarnia they should feel like home. If you can try to pick up the book from last year the Niagara fronteir. It delves into the cross boarder runs with the NYC and wabash as well as the daily interactions with the canal and the NS&T and the TH&B in Welland and Port Colbourne.

It's nice to have another ontario boy around here to,any info you can dig up on the ONR I know Nick will greatly appreciate as well.Thanks for the round(s) BTW [tup] I'm semi close to you at least as the crow flies I'm currently based out of Brantford so Ian's London book has alot of meaning for me. Of coarse I was born in St Catharines so his Niagara book is also home. Let me know f you are in my neck of the woods, always some good railfanning in and around me.

Pete And I thought that sink holes like that only occured in Ted's neck of the woods. Thankfully it was his backyard that gave way and not the foundation of the house ! I Imagine that similar incidents have happened in west Virginia and in Cape Breton as well.



Well gents I think I'm mostly caught up
Rob

[trolleyboy]

Hi again thought I'd pop in another bit of CNR steam stuff

CNR Steam #3 passenger and freight trains on the Strathroy Subdivision

This is a little snippit from Steam Through London For Don. This is just a brief bit on the passenger trains that cruised between London and Sarnia on the Strathroy Sub.The stretch of staions served by most of these trains would be as follows
London
Hyde Park
Komoka
Strathroy
Kerwood
Watford
Wanstead
Wyoming
Petrolia Jct
Mandauman
Sarnia Jct
Sarnia
Alot of the trains on this line were run as mixed trains , but a few of the name trains would ply this subdivision some US bound others would stop at Sarnia proper.The night trains usually had names or nicknames.Short haul passengers 504 and counterpart 507 we called the Owl they would make connection with the Stratford bound dog, but would leave most of their express tonnage in London.These trains would usually have 6100 class Northerns for power.train number 15 the International Limited was usually powered by a 6060 class bullet nosed Mountain would stop it's Chicago bound sleeper train at Sarnia's old Great Western Station where the power would be changed to the Sarnia tunnel electric box motors for the trip through the tunnel to and from Port Huron. The scheduled arrival for this westbound was 1:54 am if on schedule. Steam would take over at Port Huron usually a GTW mountain or Northern for the rest of the trip to Chicago. Train number 14 was the eastbound international limited it would arrive at Sarnia from the US approx 4:00am in the morning if on schedule.

Sarnia was also the major freight change point through the tunnel or by ferry for Niagara frontier bound freight traffic as well.Ther was two dedicated trains 483 amd 487 which ran freight from the tunnel or barge to Niagara Falls and Fort Erie respectivly. These were regularly scheduled fast freights powered by heavy 6300 class Northerns.

Just a wee taste of the London book really good stuff.

Well i'm away for now

TTFN Rob

[siberianmo]

THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

G’day! C’mon in and join us for some freshly brewed coffee, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and a <light> breakfast from our Menu Board. [tup]

Info for the Day:

Nothing special – “routine” for the week:

Today is “Fish ‘n Chips Nite,” perhaps somethin’ special from Nick’s Picks! [C=:-)]
Friday is “Pizza Nite” and “Steak ‘n Fries Nite.”
Saturday is “ENCORE!” day.

INDEX Mondays only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 00:45:33 (164) Inclusive Post!

(2) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 00:52:19 (164)

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 05:41:48 (164) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(4) jlampke John Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 05:45:38 (164) Inclusive Post!

(5) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 06:57:17 (164) Inclusive Post!

(6) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 07:08:33 (164)

(7) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 07:53:45 (164)

(8) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 07:53:52 (164)

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 08:16:23 (164) Fallen Flags Extra!

(10) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 08:31:52 (164)

(11) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 08:50:25 (164)

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 09:34:08 (164) Acknowledgments, etc.

(13) wanswheel Mike Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 12:36:45 (164)

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 12:36:58 (164) NOSTALGIA #26 – Ad – Olympian Hiawatha

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 12:54:58 (164) reply to wanswheel

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 13:17:37 (165) ”Our” Place Cast of Characters

(17)jdonald Don Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 13:32:15 (165) 1st Post & Visit

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 14:38:36 (165) reply to jdonald

(19) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 16:22:46 (165) Inclusive Post!

(20) passengerfan Al Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 17:07:25 (165) Olympian Hiawatha

(21) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 17:41:37 (165)

(22) pwolfe Pete Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 17:42:10 (165) Inclusive Post!

(23) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 19:13:36 (165) Acknowledgments, etc.

(24) jdonald Don Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 19:50:45 (165) Inclusive Post!

(25) passengerfan Al Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 20:11:33 (165)

(26) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 20:43:05 (165)

(27) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 21:18:51 (165) Acknowledgments, etc.

(28) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 23:31:07 (165)

=======================================
That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[wanswheel]

Morning Tom and everybody, time for coffee I guess. About that list again, The Rocky Mountain Rocket is special to me even though I never rode it. When I was a little kid in Davenport it was famous locally. I had no idea what a mountain was, or a rocket for that matter, but I knew the words "rocky mountain rocket" had a ring to it. I think the "Rocket" was the name of the wood-burning engine that got the Rock Island rolling in the 1850s. And speaking of Davenport, IA (home of WOC radio where Ronald Reagan got his first job out of college, yikes, off topic!), Abe Lincoln (on topic) got involved in a legal dispute about the first railroad bridge across the Mississippi built there in 1856. I know it's digressive clutter but it's a quick read: http//www.iltrails.org/rockisland/abe.html

Mike

[siberianmo]

Good Mornin’ Gents!

Another glorious day in mid-continent USA – blue skies, slight breeze and frigid – temps were hoverin’ at 17 (F) when I walked the “beast” at 6:30 AM – Juneau the Siberian Husky loves it, and so do I. Believe it or not, I absolutely love the cold weather – I’ll take it anytime, but not anywhere. Spent some time in the Arctic, and I really appreciate what it has to offer, but I surely wouldn’t want to live there! [swg]

Yesterday really kept me hoppin’ with the Posts, which is what we’re all about. Thanx to all for helpin’ to make our Wednesday such a huge success ‘round here. The Inclusiveness of the responses is beginning to become a “standard,” and that too is appreciated. The more Inclusive you guys (guyz) are, the less I have to be! [tup][tup]

I will be resuming a more “sane” schedule for myself, with my responses limited to early-mid morning – noonish – evening and perhaps, late night (no guarantee on the last one! [swg]). I have relied upon what I refer to as our “Inner Circle” to help keep this place rollin’ on – sometimes it works, sometimes not. We went through quite a drought for a couple of weeks, now we’re resurfacing. Perhaps it is due to the extra efforts some of us have undertaken to get some ‘new blood’ in this place – my site on this Forum for the discussion of Classic PASSENGER trains is an example. Whatever the reason for the improvement, it’s surely a positive thing!

Cindy will be behind the bar in my absence, so be sure to provide the “protocol” of a greeting, and don’t forget to order a drink, and better yet – something from our menu (she’s NOT on it!). [swg] I will let you know when she’s “on” duty ……. [tup]

A couple of acknowledgments this fine day:

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 00:01:37

Nice work, Bar Chandler! I’m sure the steam fans out there will appreciate your efforts. These are kinds of Posts that make our Thread unique and a place to enjoy frequenting. Thanx!

wanswheel Mike Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 05:47:27

Very interesting URL, I didn’t know of that story and perhaps I should have. Let me digress – I spent a considerable amount of time in my USCG career (32 years) in the mid-west (9 years).

There was a time that the “District” in St. Louis was charged with overseeing the 12,000 miles of inland waterways of the U.S. Those rivers are further defined as interstate waterways able to sustain commerce – a “poor mans” definition, but adequate. Anyway, my involvements had nothing to do with bridges over the rivers, but there was an element here who did oversee the regulation of them. We “inherited’ that job from the Army Corps of Engineers – why, I’ll never know, but it became ours nonetheless.

The barge companies and the railroads were forever at war with one another. The railroads disliked them, and they had utter disdain for the train folks. (Kinda like the music from “Oklahoma” – if you recall the “battles” between the ranchers (cowboys) and the farmers.) So on a few occasions I would have to get our special agents involved with investigations into people “screwing” with the bridge mechanisms or those of the railroads, just to either keep ‘em open or closed, depending on which side one happened to be on. Violations of federal law, which came under my purview as the Chief of the LE effort in the 22 states assigned to us. Interesting URL that brings back some memories of the 1970s and 80s. Thanx! [tup]

I’m glad to know that the “list” jogged your memory. The idea of it (the “list”) was to enjoy it and perhaps get into some dialogue over it. Not to tear it asunder …... Thanx, again! [tup][tup]


Catch y’all later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


My nagging reminder to all! – When Posting, try not to check out immediately thereafter. Review your Post (wait for it to “come up” on the screen) and you just may find that there is another right before or after yours. Then hit the “Refresh” button. This works and prevents one from missing someone else’s timely input. You can always “edit” your submission to include commentary for the more recent “stuff.”

[Anonymous]

Good mornin' to all. By "all," I mean the gargantuan number of posts since my last "clock in."[^] Gadfrey, I've been at this for well over 2 hours and still remain nine (count 'em) posts in arears. Tom, I can only stay for a quick Prune Danish and a splash of Joe for now. It just isn't Kosher to begin a fresh Post without having covered the efforts of those who took the time and trouble to contribute.[tdn] Simply put, allow me to welcome Don, Dave, Mike, and John to "Our" Place and demure from further commentary until such time as I can sort out this latest avalanche of input.[bow]

For now, please excuse the brevity of this memo for the present.[:I] Again, welcome to our new friends and it is wonderful to see so many "Regulars" back "in the bonds."[^] BTW, it appears to me that quality has not been compromised for quantity by any measure.[tup] Be back a.s.a.p. so, please Tom, keep the Stolichanya on ice for me? I'll bring my own marinated cocktail onions upon returning, thanks.[swg]

[siberianmo]

. . . . . . . Mentor Village Gazette . . . . . .

Vol. I, Number 1 . . . . . . . . Wednesday, November 17, 2005 . . . . . . . . . Free

coalminer3 CM3 Inducted into the PERMANENT ORDER OF THE STOOLS

Nov 17th, Mentor Village
By: Verbal Funderburk

Coalminer3 CM3 was inducted into the Permanent Order of the Stools on Nov 2nd . A society of esteemed customers of the Village’s bar and grill, known as ”Our” Place located near the junction of CP’s freight yard, they have no redeeming qualities other than their affection (affliction) for Classic Trains.

Following an announcement made by the Selection Committee, the induction ceremony was held in the Pool Room of the bar and was attended by the “usual lineup” of Mentor Village’s finest citizens. Mayor I. M. Running along with Chief of the Constabulary Book M. Dano were overheard commenting, “Who is this guy?” as they lined up at the bar for the complimentary drinks.

Coalminer3 CM3 was unavailable for comment, although his press representative did authorized the following statement: “This is a day, that will!”

A fight soon erupted between the track gangs of the CN, CP and Can-Am railroads, quickly broken up by the Constabulary, under the supervision of Inspector Clueless. Order was quickly restored and the room was turned over to the not-so-regular meeting of the Ladies of Perpetual Motion and Knitting Circle. (More on page 14.)


Shopping mall proposed for Mentor Village

By: Taura Loura Goldfarb

A shopping mall has been proposed for Mentor Village in the undeveloped area located between ”Our” Place and The Coffee Shop. Backed by Cheatham & Steele, Bankers and Malefactor’s Arus, the development is expected to win approval by the Village Board of Aldermen when they next convene. The date has not been established.

Several of the Village’s business owners are in favor of the plan and expect to occupy the prime locations. These include: Ulfoncle Gilot’s Tobacco Shop - Boogaloo Payne’s Music Emporium - Daury Freese, The Ice Cream Parlour - Ginger Snap’s Cookie Place - Harmut Broghammer’s Pharmacy - John Outhouse, The Bath Store - Love Lovelace’s Female Fashions - Plato Papps Men’s Wear and Somchit Inthisack’s Fine Furniture.

EDITORIAL

Mentor Village commemorated Veterans/Remembrance Day through a series of activities, most notably those undertaken over at the local distillery bar and grill, known as ”Our” Place. Friends and fans of the railroads gathered to listen to tales from the war years. Perhaps the highlight was the presentation of 9 WWII rail related advertisements provided by the Proprietor, Siberianmo.

We endorse activities of this nature in our village and commend the participants from taking a day off from their debauchery, madness, and civil disobedience. The local Constabulary is pleased as well.

CLASSIFIED Section

Wanted!

COMIX

From the Bumper:

4 Out of 3 People
Have Trouble With Fractions

Impotence . .
Nature’s way of saying “No hard feelings!”

Hang up
and drive!


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

P.S. Cindy has the bar! [tup]