"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon and all the rest of you hiding in the pool room. I must of coarse apologise for not being around yesterday, I mangaed to pick up a 24 hour montezuma's revenge of one sort or the other. If I wasn't in bed flat on my back I was sitting up if you know what I mean [:I][:O] I'm better now though so a round of Keith's for all those interested.[tup][swg]

Tom Wonderfull stuff on your local road today,really good info. i'm knida glad that you posted the classic pictures as opposed to a shot of the gawd awfull herritage unit. None of the ones'I've seen photo's off had done much for me I must say. The PA's on the other hand my typr of locomotive fer sure fer sure [tup][:D] I see that the MP was one of the very few to purchase the PA3. Same as the rest except for one important thing, they came equipped with the 251 prime mover instead of the usual 244's of the earlier marks.

Dan Great to see you sir, your locomotive insites and information has been greatly missed around here. i'm gla dto hear that we may see more of you [tup]

Mike Neat url's sir. I haven't purused them all but the s few I have at this point all are quite nice. I'm glad that I've been able to increas your geographical knowledge.Since the Niagara Peninsula was my home turf at least for my first 30 years I tend to know my way around it. i'm just glad that i didn't bore you to death with it.

Doug I loved the last tunnel post from you the other day, also to answer your question . No we don't have that rotary. It was scrapped by the NS&T the year that photo was taken. They had purchased it second hand from a defunct midwestern interurban in the late 30's. Apparently it never got much use. They had purchased it to fight snow on their interurban district between Port Colbourne & Thorold as it wasn't suitable for the city line in St Catharines or Niagara Falls. It was built by Ruggles car in the late 1920's. Today's MP stuff was also quite good sir. [tup]

Pete Like you I love the old PA's far better than the E's ( sorry Tom ) I'm just an Alcophile what can I say [:D] I don't think that St catharines will be building anymore of those locomotives. They were shipped down from London as "Kit's" to be assembled there due to the large SD70 orders London was turning ( still is ) For Union Pacific and BNSF.There wasn't room for that 8 unit order on London's errecting floor. As I had suspected before that Old Ferranti packard plant has been purchased and will soon be torn down likely for stripmalls and condo's. it's a st catharines thing, drive out stinky well paying factory jobs and replace them with donut shop and retail jobs. they really have become a bedroom comunity for Toronto.

CM3 & Lars Some fine ontopic stuff from you two gents today as well all and all a good day for info at the bar I would say. 2 [tup] for all of you fine folks.

John I figured that you would have been on top of an engineer's cap for the little guy. Also nice Lego trains, I'm guessing that it's you that plays with them a bit more when you are home at least. [;)]

Catch everyone soon.

Rob

[jlampke]

Evenin' again. I see Rob's present. Barkeep, and round for me and Rob, please.
I almost forgot to wish Lars a late Happy B-day, so let me do that now.
Fair winds and following seas in your retirement, Lars! [bday] [bday]

John

[siberianmo]

Well, I'll be . . . . . is that really YOU, Dan[?][?] Where in the world have you been and what have you been doing[?] Sure has been a long, long time!

Leon give the man a dirnk on me![tup]

Not only new faces 'round the place, but many new features being Posted since you were a "regular." Pretty much still follow the "rules of the bar," which you never had any difficulties with![swg]

Hope those health issues have cleared up and that all's well![tup]


jlampke John Good to see you too! Thought we'd get you "out" on Sunday as I did Post those Pix you requested and also repeated the B'day Watch List for ya. Understand the studying - but that can be a draaaaaaaaaag - one must come up for air now 'n then. PLUS - if you don't know "it" by now, fugedaboudit![swg]


Dan You've got a "bunch" of pages to catch up on and I hope you can at least get the "good stuff" absorbed B4 our April 12th celebration. Check the SUMMARIES and the "special Posts" - been lots of interesting contributions.


From the "For what it's worth department" - this adivce was Posted once or twice on this Thread:

When using the "edit" feature for a Post, you should keep in mind that once edited, that particular Post comes up "first" until someone else submits theirs. The problem is when someone makes an "edit" of a Post that has resided on the Thread for hours - or even days. That comes up as #1 and directs the viewer to whatever Page the edited Post happens to be. Really messes things up. What to do[?] Go ahead and make the edit - but Post something immediately afterward - then your new Post will be numero uno. Get it[?] Another alternative is to avoid editing "old" Posts and just submit a new one.

Hey Doug! I see the Sox have botched their "perfect" season![swg]

Okay boyz, that's it for me![zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[Anonymous]

Hello Tom and gang. I'll throw in my cap and then order a Killian's Red Irish Ale. Good to see OUR PLACE is still cooking along as the one year mark approaches. Things are ok down here in Springfield and the Midland is gearing up for another season. We lost our main locomotive late last season with a aux gen burnout so we'll try to patch the RS3 together and use the NW2.
Now that our pc will finally load up, I will be back more and it's glad to see everyone and some new to me faces. Cheers!

[jlampke]

Evenin' Gents, an Absolute & grapefruit for me, and a round for all the "Uncles" in the house, including, of course, Mentor Village's own "Uncle Tom".
I'll have to keep this short. Just wanted to say that the picture of the Lego train was in response to Rob's question about the new Lego trains sporting the American or the Euro look.
Also, thank you CM3 & Pete, and everyone else, for the congrats on the new baby boy. Actually, Rob, I was thinking more along the lines of an Engineer's hat. In fact I did think about it before taking and sending the picture, but I don't have one here in Korea, and I don't have the time to look right now.
Doug, very interesting stuff on the tunnels and the Jesse James story. In fact, I grew up about 3 miles as the crow flies from the longest RR tunnel in Oregon, located on the SP line from Eugene to Coos Bay. I'd like to get up there and get pictures one of these days. If I remember correctly, it was completed in 1911.
As an aside, Korea is really growing, in terms of construction of highways and rail lines. Their new high speed rail line from Pusan to Seoul is a pretty impressive piece of work. Some very long tunnels and bridges. It's been in service about a year now, I think. I'll take a ride on it next time I'm here. Too busy right now. Shows though, what a government can do, depending on their priorities, if they want to.

Well, I've got a lot of studying to do over the next couple weeks and will be moving around some too, so I'll "see" you all on the 12th.

John

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Hi Doug Just wanted to acknowledge your Post![tup]

Been a long day taking care of my "chores" and automobiles. Long day, indeed.

I'm NOT ready for anything tomorrow other than to enjoy what the rest of YOU provide![swg]

Loved that joke - in fact that's MY kinda humor!<grin>

Good spread on the MoPac steam loco's . . . . appreciate the support for the "theme!"
By the by, I received an Email from 20 Fingers Al and he assures me that he'll be here on the 12th - he's even taking some vacation time (a couple of hours) to ensure his presence. Things at the tax office are that busy . . . .

Leon the Night Man! takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)

Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[Anonymous]

Good evening Tom and gents! I'll have my usual bottomless draught and purchase a round for the house! Pretty good MoPac stuff from our bartender, gentlemen. I'll have to come back to read it all thoroughly. Great contributions from CM3 ...without a doubt. Topped-off with postings from Mike and Lars, it's been a pretty good day I think! Sure wish Al would make an appearance though.

Here's another humble contribution from moi:

From Dec. 1943 Railroad Magazine

Biggest engines ever to enter Missouri Pacific service are fifteen 4-8-4’s now being delivered by the Baldwin Locomotive Works. Measuring 106 feet between coupler faces and tipping the beam at 431 tons without tender, they are dual-service locomotives in every sense of the word, performing equally well as freight haulers between St. Louis and Kansas City, Kan., where they regularly handle trains of up to 125 cars, and on such passenger assignments as the Sunshine, the Texan, and the Hot Springs Special, between St. Louis and Little Rock, Ark.

Reader of Railroad Magazine will recall that some months ago, the Missouri Pacific converted a number of 1900 Class locomotives of the 2-8-4, or Berkshire type into high speed 4-8-4 engines bearing road numbers in the 2100’s. While the new 2200 Class employs the same Northern wheel arrangement, specifications and actual details of construction differ markedly. In design, it is more nearly allied to the Rio Grande’s M-68 Class, whose drawings and patterns were widely used in the construction of the new machines.

This bow to wartime standardization has resulted in the saving of hundreds of man hours, both in the drafting room and locomotive shops. At the same time there has been no compromise with operating conditions peculiar to the Missouri Pacific; WPB sanctioned alterations of certain specifications insuring maximum performance on the Mop’s more level terrain.

Among noteworthy features of design are 76,460-pound engine-bends, cast in one unit at Granite City, across the Mississippi river from St. Louis. Such an item, if purchased over the counter, would carry a price tag of around $18,500.

In addition to having cylinders, valves, brake pedestals, pilot beams and airpumps brackets included as integral parts of the bed, the reverse gear is mounted on a bracket attached to it, instead of being supported by the boiler. With expansion and contraction thus eliminated, more precise control is insured.

All engines are equipped with Timken and SKF roller bearings throughout, and are expected to turn in something like 9,000 miles per month. Specifications, compared with those of the Rio Grande’s M-68 Class as a matter of interest, follow:

Numbers …………...2201-2215
Cylinders ………….26X30
Drivers…………….73
Pressure……...........285
Grate Area…...........106
Engine Weight…… 489,000
Tractive Force ……67,200
Tender Capacity …20 and 19,350

[:I] A high school senior decided to work hard so he could get into Harvard. He finally gets an acceptance letter and goes to visit the campus. He's walking around campus, in awe, and runs into a scholarly gentleman. The kid asks the gentleman, "Excuse me, sir. Could you tell me where the library is at?"
The gentleman scoffs at the kid and says, "We at Harvard, NEVER end a sentence with a preposition!"
The kid backs off a step and says, "OK. Can you tell me where the library is at, A**HOLE!?!" [:I]

Ya'll ready for Pikes Perspective tomorrow?

[siberianmo]

THEME for the DAY! - THEME for the DAY!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #82

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Missouri Pacific (MP) from a 1953 advertisement found in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Mo-Pac’s Colorado EAGLE


Points the way to mile-high play . . .

COLROADO . . . magnificent in mile-high splendor . . . offers countless vacation varieties. MO-PAC’s planetarium-domed Colorado Eagle offers you the finest and fastest through service daily from St. Louis to Colorado.

P.S. You’ll want to romp in the Rockies after your restful ride on the Colorado Eagle. Serve yourself . . . hit the vacation trail by rail this year!


MISSOURI PACIFIC LINES Route of the Eagles


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

THEME for the DAY! - THEME for the DAY!

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Not quite the turnout I had hoped for, however, much appreciation to Wolfman Pete - Lars 'n Mike for stopping by.[tup]

Those Pix should be interesting, Pete - suggest you take them B4 visiting your 2nd favorite watering hole![swg]

Nice URLs - as always - Mike and very well selected for our "theme" day![tup] For anyone who hasn't checked 'em out - you're really missing something special!

Lars I'm becoming more than fan of steam locomotives than ever B4!! Really wonderful looking beasts, eh[?]

CM3 Great two-parter![tup][tup] Lots of good stuff . . . .


Want to give you guys a "heads up" for this weekend. I'm going to be rather scarce and I'm not planning on Posting for lSunday Photo Posting Day! - unless I get a second wind. So, it's up to you guys to keep the place running and at the top of the Forum's page. I will provide the Summaries and perhaps an ENCORE! or two on Saturday, but that's about it . . . .

Okay boyz - one more Theme for the Day! coming up . . . . .

Thanx for the rounds!![tup][tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[wanswheel]

Another round for the house Tom
http://img181.exs.cx/img181/5237/mi25b0ay.jpg Grade Crossing Steam loco b&w
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp-e149.jpg Boxcar
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp-menu-asw.jpg Eagle Menu
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp-pass-afsw.jpg Passes
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp-rocbri-asw.jpg Rough Creek Trestle 1895
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp-litsta-awp.jpg Little Rock Station
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp-sansta-acs.jpg San Antonio Station
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp.html many MOPAC pictures
http://www.mpmrr.net/images/bw-eagleend.jpg Observation car photo at http://www.mpmrr.net/
Mike

[LoveDomes]

G’day Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!


As always, boss man, great effort with today’s Missouri Pacific submissions! Starting with your Encore of the Fallen Flag entry, to the MP compilation piece and on to the Nostalgia – you’ve covered the bases well. A 5-tup Salute to you, Sir! [tup][tup][tup][tup][tup]

Some nice stuff from Coal-what’s-his-face! and of course a bit o’ something from Doug in between “jokes!”[swg]

I think we’ll make it to page 300 by the time April 12th.[tup]


Today, I thought I’d slip into my “contributor mode” and help a bit with the “theme” – Missouri Pacific, a mighty fine road!


Before doing that – I’ll take a pitcher of R&H and a hero on a hard roll (don’t they all come that way[?]) – make it my “usual” please – ham, swiss, buttAH & mustAHd with two large pickles from the barrel – thank you! Here’s a ten spot for the “Lars Box” . . . [tup]


Ok – time for some nostalgia pix from yesteryear . . .



MP #5308 4-8-2 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com) (photo: Paul Eilenberger)




MP #1420 2-8-2 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com) (photo: Paul Stringhamn)




MP #1716 2-10-2 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com) (photo: Paul Eilenberger)




MP #5341 4-8-2 (from: yesteryeardepot.com) (photo: Harold Van Horne)




One more, barkeep – then I gotta scram outta here. Oh [yeah] Let’s Go Mets! . . . tomorrow[swg]

Good to see ya, Pete – have a Bathams on me![tup]


Until the next time![tup]


Lars

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of the Bathams and a few dollars for the 12th Fund please.

A great Theme of the Day on which I suppose is now my "local line".[tup][tup][tup].
Started yesterday by DOUG with the Jesse James train robbery at Otterville on the Missouri Pacific about 45 miles west of here.
Another great series.
TOM Interesting history and those photos well.[wow]. It must have been a marvellous time to observed railroads with the E and PA diesels running, the more I see the Es and the PA s the more I appriciate their style.
In the first photo of E3 #7001 at Jefferson City it looks to be at the old station, the present Amtrak station is a short distance to the west., the other side of the Governer's Mansion. The old station is still in use by Union Pacific. It is a pity the MP stopped its passenger traffic early. Those Eagles sound Classic trains.At least we still have the Missouri Mule and the Anne Rutlidge.

Thanks CM3 for the MP passenger and coal info. Coal traffic is still a heavy traffic through here, most of the loaded(eastbound) coal trains appear to be routed by the River Line via Boonville with the empties travelling west via Sedalia. The line through Sedalia seems to handle the other frieght traffic as well as Amtrak. It must have been a long time since the river route was used for Passengers [?].
Slightly[#offtopic] CM3 in the latest Trains Magazine (May) there is an article on the Appalachian & Ohio RR in West Virginia. serving several mines in the area.

MIKE Glad you had fond memories of the News-Reels ours were narrated by a man with a BBC voice. Thanks for the links [tup].

TOM Looked at the Black Sox. Very good info and interesting court case.
All being well, after the chores, I am going to the park by the RR in town.I will try to get some photos( only trouble is it is near Pat's Place Bar.)
PETE.

[siberianmo]

THEME for the DAY! - THEME for the DAY!


PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #81

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Missouri Pacific (MP) from a 1953 advertisement found in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

SI, YOU REALLY SEE MAGNIFICENT

. . . . . MEXICO . . . . .

VIA THE ROUTE OF THE

. . . . . EAGLES . . . . .


MAGIC MEXICO . . .
enjoy its colorful contrasts close-up from the carefree comfort offered b y MO-PAC, route of the famed Eagles . . . the finest and fastest daily train service between the U.S. and Mexico.


MISSOURI PACIFIC LINES Route of the Eagles


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


THEME for the DAY! - THEME for the DAY!

[coalminer3]

Back again

I figured I'd better break post into two segments.

First, thanks for the wave from the CV engineer. I'm surprised I wasn't in the picture as I spent a LOT of time on the CV back in that timeframe.

Here's some more MP material; from the coal traffic dept. at CM3 Enterprises. Many more fallen flags

Coal Traffic – Missouri Pacific – 1950

Let’s start with a look at MP-served operations in Kansas. Many people don’t think of coal being mined in Kansas, but in 1948 Kansas had 23 deep mines and 42 strip jobs in operation. Many of them were small mines, but a few were larger.

The Missouri Pacific served two of these mines.

Clemens Coal Co. – Clemens No. 22 Mine – Cornell and Pittsburg, KS – MP
Quality Coal Co. – Sheridan No. 21 Mine – Cornell, KS – MP

Other roads shipping coal from Kansas included the SLSF and the MKT.

There were 197 coal mines in Oklahoma.

The Missouri Pacific handled coal from one of these operations.

Broken Aro Coals – Sooner Strip Mine – Oolagah, OK – MP

Other shipping roads in Oklahoma included the MKT, FS&VB (Ft. Smith and Van Buren), ATSF, SLSF, and Rock Island.

There were 44 deep mines and 37 strip operations in Missouri.

Missouri Pacific handled coal from

Fisher Coal Co. – Fisher Mine – Rich Hill, MO – MP

Other Missouri roads serving mining operations included the
B&S (Bevier and Southern), KCS, Wabash, Rock Island, and SLSF.

work safe

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Missouri Pacific for today; and some good material out there already. I almost wound up working for them, but that's another story for another time.

Here's some material from 1932-era MP timetable covering service between St. Lous and "the West." Notice the number of Pullmans, shorts, interline cars etc. Folks today don't realize how many trains added/dropped cars en route.

ST. LOUIS TO WEST

No. 15-105 (St. Louis - Omaha)

Lv. St. Louis 9:00 a.m.
Arr. Omaha 10:00 p.m.

Parlor Car: St. Louis – Kansas City
Parlor Dining Cars: St. Louis – Kansas City; Kansas City – Omaha
De Luxe coaches: St. Louis – Kansas City; Kansas City – Omaha
Oil-burning locomotive: St. Louis – Kansas City

11 “Scenic Limited” (Via Pueblo, Denver, and Salt Lake City)

Lv. St. Louis 2:00 p.m. (SU)
Arr. San Francisco 4:15 p.m. (WE)

St. Louis – Denver Sleeping Car: 10 sections/observation; 10 sections/2 compartments/2 drawing rooms
St. Louis – San Francisco Sleeping Car: 12 section/drawing room/ compartment
Wichita – Pueblo Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room
Memphis – Pueblo Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room
Dining Cars
Observation-Lounge service: St. Louis – Denver – Salt Lake City- San Francisco
De Luxe coaches and chair cars
Pueblo – Denver segment operated via D&RGW
Pueblo – Salt Lake City – San Francisco segment operated via D&RGW and WP

19-119 “Sunflower” St. Louis - Coffeeville via Lincoln, Joplin, and Wichita

Lv. St. Louis 4:50 p.m. (SU)
Arr. Coffeyville 7:25 a.m. (MO)

St. Louis – Omaha; Wichita; Joplin; Coffeyville Sleeping Cars:
12 section/ drawing room
St. Louis – Lincoln Sleeping Car: 10 sections/observation
St. Louis – Sioux City Sleeping Car: 16 sections
Kansas City – Downs Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room
Diner Lounge: St. Louis – Wichita
Reclining Seat Chair Cars: St. Louis – Wichita; Omaha
Chair Car: Rich Hill – Joplin

9-13-109 “Missourian” St. Louis-Denver

Lv. St. Louis 11:59 p.m. (SU)
Arr Denver 3:30 a.m. (TU)

St. Louis – Kansas City Sleeping Cars: 12 sections/drawing room/ compartment; 16 sections
St. Louis – Denver Sleeping Cars: 16 sections (to MP Train 13 @ Kansas City)
St. Louis – Los Angeles Sleeping Car: 8 sections/2 compartments/drawing room
(every 3rd day from St. Louis to ATSF Train 3 @ Kansas City)
Café Lounge: Kansas City – Omaha
Coaches and chair cars
Pueblo – Denver segment operated via D&RGW


WEST TO ST. LOUIS

No. Train Depart Arrive
110-10 “Missourian”

Lv. Los Angeles 6:15 p.m. (SA)
Arr. St. Louis 7:23 p.m. TU)

Lincoln – St. Louis Sleeping Car: 10 sections/observation
Omaha – St. Louis Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room
Kansas City – St. Louis Sleeping Car: 16 sections
Los Angeles – St. Louis Sleeping Car: 8 sections/drawing room/2 compartments (every 3rd day from San Francisco; from ATSF Train 4 @ Kansas City
Parlor-Diner: Omaha – Kansas City

112-12 “Scenic Limited”
Lv San Francisco 3:00 p.m. (SU)
Arr. St. Louis 4:04 p.m.(WE)

Denver – St. Louis Sleeping Cars: 10 sections/observation; 10 sections/ compartment/drawing room
San Francisco – St. Louis Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room/compartment
Pueblo – Wichita Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room
Pueblo – Memphis Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room
Dining Car
Observation-Lounge service: San Francisco-Salt Lake City-Denver-St. Louis
De Luxe coaches and chair cars
Denver – Pueblo segment operated via D&RGW
San Francisco – Salt Lake City – Pueblo segment operated via WP and D&RGW

216-16

Lv. Kansas City 1:00 p.m.
Arr. St. Louis 8:20 p.m.

Parlor Car: Kansas City – St. Louis
Parlor Diner: Kansas City – St. Louis
De Luxe Coaches: Kansas City – St. Louis
Oil-burning locomotive: Kansas City – St. Louis


14-220-20 “Sunflower”

Lv Coffeyville 6:10 p.m. (SU)
Arr. St. Louis 7:10 a.m. (MO)

Wichita, Joplin, Coffeyville – St. Louis Sleeping Cars: 12 sections/drawing room
Denver – St. Louis Sleeping Car: 16 sections
Diner-lounge: Wichita – St. Louis
Reclining Seat Chair Cars Wichita, Kansas City – St. Louis
Coach: Joplin – Rich Hill
Coaches: Denver – Kansas City
Denver – Pueblo segment operated via D&RGW

work safe

[siberianmo]

Now arriving on track #1 …..
Railroads from Yesteryear! Number Thirteen


Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.


Missouri Pacific Railroad

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Locale: Arkansas, Colorado, Illinois Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Texas

Reporting marks: MP

Dates of operation: 1849 – 1982

Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)

Headquarters St. Louis, Missouri

Missouri Pacific (MoPac; AAR reporting mark MP) was one of the first railroads in the United States west of the Mississippi River. The company merged with Union Pacific in 1982.


History

On July 4, 1851 at St. Louis, Missouri, ground-breaking for the Pacific Railroad, chartered in 1849, marked the beginning of what would later be known as the Missouri Pacific Railroad. The first section of track was completed in 1852. In 1865, it became the first railroad to serve Kansas City, after construction was interrupted by the American Civil War.

In 1871, the Texas and Pacific Railway, which merged with the Missouri Pacific in 1928, set plans to build a line from Marshall, Texas to San Diego, CA. In 1872, the Pacific Railroad was reorganized as the Missouri Pacific Railway by new investors after a railroad debt crisis. From 1879 to 1915, it was under the control of controversial New York financier Jay Gould. Gould developed a system extending through Colorado, Nebraska, Arkansas, Texas, and Louisiana. In 1917 the line was merged with the St Louis, Iron Mountain and Southern Railway (SLIMS) and reorganized as the Missouri Pacific Railroad. Later it acquired and controlled other lines near the Gulf of Mexico and in Texas, including the Texas and Pacific, extending its operating area to several midwestern and southwestern states.

The Missouri Pacific was a Class I railroad growing from dozens of predecessors and mergers, including the St. Louis, Iron Mountain and Southern Railway (SLIMS), Texas and Pacific Railway (TP), Chicago and Eastern Illinois Railroad (C&EI), St. Louis, Brownsville and Mexico Railway (SLBM), Kansas, Oklahoma and Gulf Railway (KO&G), Midland Valley Railroad (MV), Gulf Coast Lines (GC), International-Great Northern Railroad (IGN), New Orleans, Texas and Mexico Railway (NOTM), Missouri-Illinois Railroad (MI), as well as the small Central Branch Railway (an early predecessor of MP in Kansas and south central Nebraska), and joint ventures such as the Alton and Southern Railroad (AS).

By the 1980s the system would own 11,469 miles of rail line over 11 states bounded by Chicago to the east, Pueblo, Colorado in the west, north to Omaha, south to the U.S.-Mexico border in Laredo, Texas and southeast along the Gulf seaports of Louisiana. MoPac operated a fleet of over 1,500 diesel locomotives, most all purchased within the previous 10 years. The company was a pioneer in the early days of computer-guided rail technology. It was a major hauler of grain, TOFC (Trailer on Flat Car), coal, ore, autos and dry goods. At the time of their mega-merger in 1982, the MoPac owned newer locomotives, more locomotives and operated more track than partner Union Pacific Railroad.

On December 22, 1982 the Missouri Pacific merged with Union Pacific and Western Pacific Railroad companies to create the largest system in its day, the "Union Pacific System", under the holding company Union Pacific Corporation, but maintained its own corporate and commercial identity until January 1, 1997. Union Pacific continued to use the MoPac headquarters building at 210 N. 13th St. in downtown Saint Louis, MO for its customer service center until February 15, 2005. Union Pacific now has about 50 employees remaining at the St. Louis office. The MoPac building is slated for rehabilitation as offices, condominiums, and/or retail space.

On July 30, 2005, Union Pacific unveiled a brand new EMD SD70ACe locomotive, Union Pacific 1982, with Missouri Pacific paint and logos, as part of a new heritage program.

Passenger Train Operations

the early years of the Twentieth Century, most Missouri Pacific and St. Louis, Iron Mountain and Southern passenger trains were designated by number only, with little emphasis on premier name trains. This changed in May 1915, with the inauguration of the Scenic Limited between St. Louis, Kansas City, and Pueblo, Colorado. Between Pueblo and Salt Lake City, the Scenic Limited operated through the Royal Gorge over the tracks of the Denver and Rio Grande Railroad. From Salt Lake City to San Francisco, the Scenic Limited operated over the Western Pacific Railroad. A second premier train, the Sunshine Special began operating on December 5, 1915 between St. Louis, Little Rock, Austin and San Antonio. Another named train, the Rainbow Special was placed in service in July 1921 between Kansas City and Little Rock, Arkansas. The Sunshine Special soon eclipsed the other trains in travel volume, becoming the signature train of the Missouri Pacific Railroad. An advertising slogan in 1933 proclaimed: Its 70-degrees in the Sunshine when its 100-degrees in the shade, referring to the fact that the Sunshine Special was one of the first air-conditioned trains in the southwest. When new streamlined trains were delivered, the Scenic Limited and Rainbow Special names faded, but the Sunshine Special had sufficient name recognition to co-exist along with the new streamliners into the late 1950s.

In the streamliner era, the Missouri Pacific's premier passenger trains were collectively known as the Eagles. A variety of Eagle trains were operated, with the first such train inaugurated in 1940. Eagle routes included the Missouri River Eagle (St. Louis to Kansas City and Omaha), the Delta Eagle (Memphis to Tallulah, Louisiana), the Colorado Eagle (St. Louis to Pueblo and Denver, the Texas Eagle (St. Louis to Texas), and the Valley Eagle (Houston to Corpus Christi and Brownsville, Texas). Missouri Pacific gained a reputation for aggressively discontinuing passenger trains after the mid-1960s, and when the National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak) assumed passenger train operations on May 1 1971, the St. Louis to Kansas City route was the only Missouri Pacific route to be included as part of Amtrak's basic system. On March 13, 1974, Amtrak restored passenger train service over segments of Missouri Pacific-Texas and Pacific's original Texas Eagle route between St. Louis, Little Rock, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, and Laredo.

References

• based on article at Screaming Eagles
• Goen, Steve Allen (1997) Texas & Pacific Color Pictorial, Four Ways West Publications, La Mirada, CA. ISBN 1885614179
• Stout, Greg (1995) Route of the Eagles, Missouri Pacific in the Streamlined Era, White River Productions, Bucklin, MO. ISBN 089745991


Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.


From other sources:

Missouri Pacific Magzine (1952) (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)



Early in 1948, MP ordered three "Planetarium" domes from Budd as part of a $14 million upgrade of the "Eagle" fleet. Two of the cars (890-891) carried "Colorado Eagle" on the letterboards, and were used primarily on that train, although they saw some use (as early as 1948) on the "Texas Eagle" and possibly other trains. 892 was delivered with "The Eagle" on the letterboards. In 1952 the first 2 cars were relettered "The Eagle" to give MP more flexibility in train assignments.

In 1952, Pullman Standard delivered 5 more domes to MP, 3 with MP ownership and one each for subsidiarys International-Great Northern and Texas & Pacific for regular service on "Texas" and "Missouri River" Eagles. (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Photo Gallery


MP E3 #7001 "Colorado Eagle Streamliner" at Jefferson City, MO (1948)
(courtesy: www.trainweb.org) (foto: Fred Schneikart)




MP E8 #40 "Eagle Streamliner" at Poplar Bluff, MO (late 60s)
(courtesy: www.trainweb.org) (foto: Joe Falvey)




MP Alco PA-2 #8009 at Raymondville, TX (1952)
(courtesy: www.trainweb.org) (foto: Arthur B. Johnson)




MP PA-3 #8019 at Texarkana, TX (1956)
(courtesy: www.trainweb.org) (foto: Arthur B. Johnson)




MP Alco PA #8018 at KCity, MO (1962)
(courtesy: www.trainweb.org) (foto: postcard)




MP #890 (1964) (courtesy: www.trainweb.org) (foto: Alan Hegler)




MP #890 in Denver (courtesy: www.trainweb.org) (foto: Alan Hegler)




MP #891 "Colorado Eagle" (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)(foto: Alan Hegler)




MP #893 “The Eagle” at Pullman-Standard shops (courtesy: www.trainweb.org) (foto: Alan Hegler)




MP #896 "The Eagle" at Pullman-Standard shops (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)(foto: Alan Hegler)


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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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[siberianmo]

G'day!

Just a couple of acknowledgments this AM, before setting out for the day's activties . . . .

barndad Doug - Thanx for starting off our "theme" with the MoPac trackwalker story . . . [tup] Also, thought you'd like to see your name "in print!"[swg] A two-joke morning!! <Arggggggggggggggh>

wanswheel Mike Appreciate the Gil Hodges URL (couldn't load the other . . . ) But 'round these parts it's "Let's Go Cards!" Anyway, looking forward to your URLs in support of our "theme for the day!"[tup]

Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[siberianmo]

G'day!

In anticipating of the arrival of Railroads from Yesteryear at 9 AM (Central) . . . here's something to tide you over!

First Posted on page 106 as a Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Missouri Pacific (MoPAC)

Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Route mileage in 1950: 9,700

Locomotive fleet in 1963: Diesel: 724

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 44.923 Passenger cars: 533

Principal lines in 1950:

St. Louis-Sedalia-Kansas City, MO-Omaha, NE
Jefferson City-Boonville-Kansas City
St. Joseph, MO-Stockton, KS
Kansas City-Pueblo, CO
Osawatomie, KS-Wagoner, OK-North Little Rock, AR
Pleasant Hill, MO-Wichita-Geneseo, KS
Fort Scott-Larned, KS
Rich Hill-Joplin, MO
Carthage, MO-Diaz, AR
St. Louis-Little Rock, AR-Texarkana, TX
East St. Louis, IL-Poplar Bluff, MO
Bismark, MO-Salem, IL
Bald Knob, AR-Memphis, TN
Little Rock-McGehee, AR-Lake Charles, LA
Memphis-McGehee
McGehee-Vidalia, LA
Pine Bluff-Hot Springs, AR
Gurdon, AR-Clayton, LA
Longview-Laredo, TX
Palestine-Galveston, TX
Brownsville, TX-Baton Rouge, LA-New Orleans
New Orleans-Donaldson-Alexandria, LA
Forth Worth-Spring (Houston), TX
San Antonio-Corpus Christi, TX
El Paso-Longview, TX-Livonia, LA-New Orleans (T&P)
Fort Worth, TX-Cypress, LA, via Texarkana & Marthaville, LA (T&P)
Texarkana-Longview (T&P)

Passenger Trains:

Aztec Eagle (San Antonio-Mexico City)
Colorado Eagle (St, Louis-Denver)
Houstonian (New Orleans-Houston)
Louisiana Sunshine Special (Little Rock-Lake Charles)
Missouri River Eagle (St. Louis-Omaha)
Missourian (St. Louis-Kansas City and Wichita)
Orleanean (Houston-New Orleans)
Ozarker (St. Louis-Little Rock)
Pioneer (Houston-Brownsville)
Rainbow Special (Kansas City-Little Rock)
Royal Gorge (Kansas City-Pueblo)
Southerner (St. Louis-El Paso & San Antonio & New Orleans)
Southern Scenic (Kansas City-Memphis)
Sunflower (St. Louis-Kansas City & Wichita)
Sunshine Special (St. Louis-Hot Springs & San Antonio)
Texan (St. Louis-Fort Worth
Texas Eagle (No. 1 & 2: St. Louis-El Paso, TX)
Texas Eagle (No. 21 & 22: St. Louis-Houston & San Antonio)
Valley Eagle (Houston-Brownsville)

Of note: National Railways of Mexico operated the Aztec Eagle between Nuevo Laredo-Mexico City.
T&P operated the El Paso trains out of Texarkana and handled Texarkana-Longview trains.
Denver trains out of Pueblo were operated by D&RGW.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and friends. I'll have the usual 2 light breakfasts, if you please. Couldn't help but notice that my lousy old jokes resurfaced on your post. Speaking of resurfacing:

[:I] The day after a man lost his wife in a scuba diving accident off the coast of San Diego, he was greeted by two grim-faced policemen at his door.
"We're sorry to have to tell you this, sir, but we have some information regarding your wife," said one of the officers.
"Well, tell me!" the man pleaded.
The policeman said, "We have some bad news, some good news and some great news. Which do you want to hear first?"
Fearing the worst, the husband said, "Give me the bad news first."
So the policeman said, "I'm sorry to tell you sir, but this morning we found your wife's body in thirty feet of water, just off the coast."
"Oh, my God!" said the husband, overcome by emotion. Then remembering what the policeman said, he asked, "What's the good news?"
"Well," said the policeman, "when we pulled her up, she had five lobsters clinging to her."
"If that's the good news, what's the great news?" asked the husband.
The policeman said, "We're going to pull her up again tomorrow morning!" [:I]

Ohhhhhhhhh ...that was truely awful ... and I apologize [;)]

Here's a little blurb along the lines of today's theme:

From Jan. 1941 Railroad Magazine

My feet are all corns and calluses from 46 years of walking the tracks. The first year was ’81 and the last ’28, when I retired as section foreman. Young men didn’t choose vocations in the early days; they drifted into what came along. I went into railroading because the MoPac happened to be building west through my stepfather’s homestead at Rantoul Kansas. Adventure plus $1.10 per day – enough to marry on – lured me into the work.

I’ve handled crews of four men and crews of 70. Stormy nights when most men sat by their hearthstones. I walked my five-mile section keeping it safe for travel. One night the back waters of the Marais des Cygnes River rose fast until they had crept over a large part of my track, and the torrent was driving logs like battering rams against the bridges. I called out my crew, but they were afraid.

I sent them home and fought the driftwood alone all night. In my 46 years of service I never had a wreck, because I never took a chance. My gas-car was useful in the spring of 1926 when my grandson was born, for the roads were blocked on all sides and my daughter needed a doctor from Ottawa, Kansas. The MD said he half froze on that wil hand-car ride.

As a member of the 46-year MoPac veterans I used to take many rail trips, but they weren’t always pleasant. The run through Royal Gorge, Colo., usually takes a short time, but due to flood waters it was hours of uncertain creeping. Lying in my berth wasn’t easy, as I knew the condition of the track – John Elzea

[:I] A man standing in line at a check out counter of a grocery store was very surprised when a very attractive woman behind him said, "Hello!" Her face was beaming. He gave her that "who are you" look, and couldn't remember ever having seen her before.
Then, noticing his look, she figured she had made a mistake and apologized. "Look," she said "I'm really sorry but when I first saw you, I thought you were the father of one of my children," and walked out of the store. The guy was dumbfounded and thought to himself--"What the hell is the world coming to? Here is an attractive woman who can't keep track of who fathers her children! "
Then he got a little panicky. "I don't remember her," he thought but, MAYBE--during one of the wild parties he had been to when he was in college--perhaps he did father her child! He ran from the store and caught her in the parking lot and asked, "Are you the girl l I met at a party in college and then we got really drunk and had wild crazy sex on the pool table in front of everyone?"
"No", she said with a horrified look on her face. "I'm your son's second grade teacher! [:I]

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom and everyone, a Piel's for Lars and Bob and Ray.

Doug, that glass-sheathed building is new, or after my time anyway. Haven't been to Chicago in decades. My favorite station was LaSalle St., when the Board of Trade building was the tallest in town. Nice view.

Rob, I had to look up "escarpment" in the dictionary. Also need the atlas open to the Ontario page.
No problem, always glad to be enlightened by your fine history and geography class.

Pete, my Dad met a celebrity on the train once, Dorothy Collins, a singer. She was on "Hit Parade."
We didn't get a TV set until 1957, but there was always radio. No visuals back in the day, so newsreels were vital. Until TV nearly killed off the entire movie industry. In school here they showed newsreels into the 1960s. Narrated by Ed Herlihy, the voice of Velveeta, a smoothly-Krafted cheese of sorts.

CM3, for explaining Clyde Barfoot, a wave from your local CV engineer.
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=1046922894&id=61

Today is Gil's birthday, so here's to "The Boys of Summer"


Gil Hodges Memorial Bridge on Marine Parkway at Brooklyn

"When Hodges managed the Washington Senators, he learned once that four players were violating a midnight curfew. Hodges believes in curfews and he summoned his ball club and announced: 'I know who you were. You're each fined one hundred dollars. But a lot of us are married and I don't want to embarrass anyone. There's a cigar box on my desk. At the end of the day I'm going to look into that box and I want to see four hundred dollars in it. Then the matter will be closed.' Hodges gazed. At the end of the day, he looked into the cigar box. He found $700." http://rndng3rd.com/NYMHall/players/H/gilhod.html
Mike

[siberianmo]

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Railroads from Yesteryear –

Missouri Pacific (MP) arrives on track #1 at 9 AM today –

WATCH FOR IT!


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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[siberianmo]

from: www.viarail.ca


We open at 6 AM. (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


TUESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


Tuesday has arrived and time to enjoy a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from the Menu Board, a pastry of two from The Mentor Village Bakery, and some freshly ground and brewed coffee! What are you waiting for[?][tup]


Daily Wisdom

If you must be a fool, be a rich fool ‘n people will treat you like a king.[swg]


”Our” Place” ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION is Wednesday, April 12th!


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear – Missouri Pacific (MP) arrives TODAY!

* Weekly Calendar:

Wednesday: Pike Perspective’s Day!
Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


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Comedy Corner

Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)


[:I] A man wanted to get married. He was having trouble choosing among three likely candidates. He gives each woman a present of $5,000 and watches to see what they do with the money.
The first does a total make over. She goes to a fancy beauty salon gets her hair done, new make up and buys several new outfits and dresses up very nicely for the man. She tells him that she has done this to be more attractive for him because she loves him so much. The man was impressed.
The second goes shopping to buy the man gifts. She gets him a new set of golf clubs, some new gizmos for his computer, and some expensive clothes. As she presents these gifts, she tells him that she has spent all the money on him because she loves him so much. Again, the man is impressed.
The third invests the money in the stock market. She earns several times the $5,000. She gives him back his $5000 and reinvests the remainder in a joint account. She tells him that she wants to save for their future because she loves him so much. Obviously, the man was impressed.
The man thought for a long time about what each woman had done with the money he'd given her. Then, he married the one with the biggest boobs. [:I]


[:I] One day, a depressed crocodile decides to see his doctor about his problems. He says, "Doc, I'm not sure what's wrong with me. I don't feel like killing people anymore. I don't like attacking them, I don't like wrestling them in the water, and I definitely don't like eating them." The doctor goes over to his medicine cabinet, and pulls out several tiny blue pills. In amazement, the crocodile asks his doctor, "Doc, are those what I think they are?" The doctor replies, "Yes, I'm prescribing you some Viagra." Frustrated, the crocodile tells his doctor, "I'm not sure you understand -- have you been listening to a word I've said?" The doctor replies, "Of course I've been listening, you said you had a reptile dysfunction!" [:I]


[:I] One year, a particularly harried husband decided to buy his mother-in-law a cemetery plot as a Christmas gift. The next year, he didn't buy her a gift. When she asked him why, he replied, "Well, you still haven't used the gift I bought you last year!" [:I]


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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre

NOW SHOWING:

Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, April 2nd thru 8th: Eight Men Out (1988) starring: Jace Alexander, John Cusack & Gordon Clapp – and – Field of Dreams (1989) Kevin Costner, Burt Lancaster & James Earl Jones. SHORT: The Big Idea (1934).


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Apr 2006, 05:22:56 (292) Monday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 03 Apr 2006, 05:49:39 (292) Barn Talk & final Tunnels & joke!

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Apr 2006, 07:37:18 (292) Acknowledgments

(4) wanswheel Mike Posted: 03 Apr 2006, 08:46:19 (292) URLs

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 03 Apr 2006, 10:10:05 (292) CM3 Report!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Apr 2006, 11:36:38 (292) Acknoweldgments

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Apr 2006, 14:28:32 (292) Nostalgia #80 – Ad – SAL (1916)

(8) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 03 Apr 2006, 15:03:54 (292) The Lars Report!

(9) barndad Doug Posted: 03 Apr 2006, 17:44:40 (292) Barn Talk & part II Jesse James & joke!

(10) sando [?] Posted: 03 Apr 2006, 18:36:33 (292) 1st visit

(11) pwolfe Pete Posted: 03 Apr 2006, 18:39:36 (293) Wolfman’s Inclusive Post!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Apr 2006, 19:19:53 (293) Acknowledgments & Comments



That’s it! [tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!



THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[siberianmo]

Good Evening!

Appreciate the visits by Lars ‘n Doug and of course the Posts![tup]

Looks like the Mets and Cards got off to winning starts, so keep the faith, Lars – only 161 more to go![swg]

That Jesse James series is like listening to the radio from back in the “olden days.” When I was a kid, before TV, we gathered ‘round the radio and listened intently to the stories being told, mostly in dramatic fashion. Imagination ruled the day as the story tellers wove their webs over the air waves. The radio sets in many homes were in consoles and there was a green “tuning eye” that would open ‘n close as the signal was brought into clarity. It was a riveting thing to look at while listening to one’s favorite program. After all, what else was there to do[?][swg] So, just like a good book, or a yarn spun here on the Forums, the radio stories were extra special. Good job with your version . . . .[tup]

Lars I thought we’d easily reach 300 pages when Nick posed the question. However, now I’m not so sure – unless of course we get some help. 20 Fingers Al has been AWOL and in spite of the chagrin over those loooooooooooooong Posts, just getting a daily ‘streamliner’ surely would help a lot. We still have time though . . . [tup]
Oh yes – thanx for the round![swg]

Special for sando: Some comments regarding your Post –

Noticed that this is your first visit to our cyber bar ‘n grill and you are welcome to join us. However, it doesn’t appear as if you understand what this Thread is all about or how we go about our business. We are an “interactive Thread” which means we acknowledge one another – have some things in common – and stick to the idea of this Thread: talk about “Classic Trains” in an adult manner with some adult humor thrown in. Pretty simple, eh[?]

Also see that this is your 7th Post, meaning you are a newcomer to the Forums. That’s no big deal, as we all had to start off the same way. However, some advice when visiting a Thread on any of the Forums – check out what it (the Thread) is all about before jumping in. Really helps in getting you engaged with the “topic starter” and others who have joined in.

Finally, it appears that your “profile” is somewhat lacking in information about you. Feel free to “click” on our cyber names (left hand margin) and you’ll see that the majority of us have given out enough personal info AND a way to communicate by E-mail to permit others to get to “know” us. That’s the way we do it here – or at least try.

By the by, the White Pass & Yukon Route was given some decent coverage back on page 283 – check it out. But first, go to page ONE and then proceed through the pages until you feel comfortable with the way things are done here.

Hey Wolfman! just caught your Post before signing off! Missed seeing you yesterday. But glad to know that you've caught up and were able to enjoy our Sunday Photo Posting Day! Sure could use some Pix from you - so feel free to send 'em by E-mail. Take the camera down to the JCity station and 'snap off' a bunch.[tup]

Do a little web search on the "Black Sox" and you'll come up with all kinds of info about the story of "Eight Men Out." It's a good flick - but helps to know the history of the baseball scandal of those times. Thanx for the round, Mate!![swg]

Okay guys, gotta get back to my "life!"[swg]


Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!



Later![tup]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and a round please for which must have been one the best photo days at Our Place[wow][yeah][tup][tup][tup].

Many thanks ROB, DOUG, NICK, JOHN, LARS MIKE and of course TOM

DOUG Great station views the North Chicago looks an interesting building and the video links were something to go back to again.
Liked the views of the ex British class 58 diesels and a variant of the GM class 66s working on the continent.

NICK Good selection of photos. Really liked the Tri-Ang Drummond M7 0-4-4 tank. Good to see three of the models selected are of locos that have been saved. The loco Albert Hall was rescued from Barry and was restored at Tyseley, during restoration it was found that the loco contained more parts from classmate # 4965 Rood Ashton Hall and usually runs as this loco today.Good Layouts.
Interesting Signalling at Rosslare Strand. I must visit the Vale of Rheidol again, unfortunaly it is many years since I was last there[:(] They did not have the diesel then or at least I did not see it.

LARS Enjoyed the Canadian Photos and Map.

ROB Thanks for the 66 info perhaps the British ones may be assembled at St. Catherines. There is a good shot in Doug's video link of one running in Holland. Great pics from the Trolley-Barn.

JOHN Many Thanks for sharing the photo of the Newborn with us[tup]. A great photo.

MIKE Great links again. The quality of the old black and white news photos are amazing,a time when the famous used trains as a main way of travelling.

TOM Thanks for doing John's and Nicks great photos for us, and the great Lionel cars. [tup][tup][tup].
Another good week at the Emporium. I have not seen Eight Men Out and I enjoyed Field of Dreams.
Seeing Mike's links reminded me of the Pathe News we got in England at the start of the movies. A black and white news-reel.
Did they have them over here. I think they disappeared in the late 60s or early 70s in the UK.
Great early ad on the Seaboard Air line. Looking forward to Mo-PAC tomorrow [tup]. PETE.

[Anonymous]

I see TRAINS is featuring the White Pass and Yukon RR in their current issue, When I lived in Juneau in the 50's, we called it "Wait Patiently and You'll Ride"
While living there , NBC's "Monitor" called and wanted a short feed of a 'first' The WP&Y RR was going to load the last of their retiring steam locomotives on a ship, UNDER IT'S OWN POWER!. (the loco)

I flew up to Skagway in a Grumman Goose and sent NBC the feed.

Of course, they winched the ice cold engine aboard with cables as thick as your arm.

Monitor and NBC listeners got what they wanted, with a little broadcast chicanery on my part.

[Anonymous]

Good evening Tom and gents! I'll have a double-fuzzy-vision and a stumbling chaser. Looks like our horizontal rain finally got replaced with a nice sunny day! Nice Seaboard add Tom, and really enjoyed your jpg links Mike! So ..... the theme tomorrow is the Mo-Pac .. guess I better hit the books and see what I can find! In the meantime, here's part II of the Jesse James series:

The True Story of Jesse James, Train Robber Sep 1932 Railroad Stories

Typical Rock Island train in 11881, the year of the robbery at Winston, Mo.


The following September, Bud’s brother Tom Accompanied the gang to Huntington, W. Va., for a bank robbery, and met the same fate as the switchman. The next important train robbery in which the James boys are known to have participated occurred at Rocky Cut, near Otterville, Mo., July 7, 1876. This time the outfit consisted of the two Jameses, the same two Younger brothers. Clell Miller, Bill Stiles, Samuel Wells and Hobbs Kerry.

An Iron Mountain (Missouri Pacific) train carried a combination express and baggage car, a smoker, several day coaches and two Pullmans, in addition to an M-K-T express car which had been coupled on thirteen miles west or Otterville. The “Katy” car was locked, nobody riding in it. Baggagemaster Louis Peter Conklin, of Chicago, shared the other express car with the United States Express Co. messenger, John B. Bushnell, of St. Louis. Bushnell was guarding two locked safes; one belonged to his own company, for which he had the key. The other was an Adams Express safe, without a key.

“The seventh of July was a clear moonlit night, and quite warm,” Conklin explained later, “so I left the baggage car door open. About 10pm the train stopped suddenly at Rocky Cut, the western end of a wooden bridge across a little river. Then a shot was fired, the bullet burying itself in the door frame of the car in which I was sitting. I jumped out of my chair and took cover. I heard yelling.

“Sensing trouble, Bushnell went back and handed his key to the brakeman for safe-keeping. Pretty soon three men climbed into my car. I believe they were the James brothers and Cole Younger. They searched me for weapons, then shoved my side, while the engineer and fireman were brought in and stood beside me. The robbers forced me to help them locate Bushnell. Finally they got the key from the brakeman”

The strong box of the U.S. Express Co. was looted and its contents thrown into a wheat sack. The Jesse James turned to the other safe. “Here –where’s the key to this?” Bushnell said it was being shipped through, locked, and he had no key for it. Thereupon one of the bandits got the fireman’s coal hammer, or pick, from the engine and made an opening in the safe, through which Jesse stuck a slender hand, cut open a leather pouch, and withdrew money from it. That, too, went into the sack and the outlaws galloped away, without bothering the passengers. Jesse James hurled back these words: “If you see any of Allen Pinkerton’s men, tell ‘em they’d better come and catch us.”

After that the brakeman found ties piled on the track and removed them, and the train proceeded on its way. As soon as they reached the nearest telegraph station, which was at Tipton, Mo., Conductor Tebbetts gave messages to the astonished operator there to wire to the police and to Mo. P. officials at St. Louis. Posses were sent out immediately, but the James gangsters had fast horses and escaped as usual. They shared about $2,000 apiece as a result of that day’s work.

Several weeks later, however, a detective from the St. Louis Police Department tracked down Hobbs Kerry, who like Switchman McDaniels in the previous robbery, had been boasting of the sudden acquisition of wealth. Arrested, Kerry confessed that he merely minded the horses for the rest of the gang, whom he named. For this confession he was let off easy with a two-year sentence.

About two months afterward the James made a fiasco raid on a bank at Northfiled, Minn., in which Clell Miller and Bill Stiles were shot dead. The three Younger brothers were badly wounded while trying to escape; were caught and sentenced to life imprisonment. Bob Younger died in prison and Jim Younger, paroled in 1901, later traveled the Wild West show with Frank James and died in 1916.

But that is going ahead of the story. The James gang was obliged to acquire fresh blood as a result of the disastrous Northfield raid. The new recruits were Ed Miller, brother of the slain Clell; Wood Hite, a cousin of the Jameses, and *** Liddil. Six of them robbed a Chicago & Alton express train at Glendale, Mo., on October 7, 1879, in the usual border-bandit fashion, and got away with quite a lot of booty.

This was followed by a more serious affair – in which two men were murdered. Passenger Train No. 2 of the Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific pulled out of Kansas City at 6:30pm, July 15, 1881, due at Davenport Ia., at 8am the next day. It consisted of a combination baggage and express car, a smoker, two day coaches and a Pullman.

At Cameron, 64 miles northeast of Kansas City, where the Rock Island met the Hannibal & St. Joe Road, the train was boarded by the James brothers, *** Liddil, Cousin Wood Hite and Wood’s brother, Clarence B. Hite. It was characteristic of the Jamses to have sets of brothers in their gang. All five sat in the smoker.

The conductor was William Westphal, recently from the Hannibal Railroad, where he had piloted a special train running up and down in the vicinity of Kearney for the benefit of officers and detectives seeking the elusive James boys. Naturally he was not greatly beloved by James or Frank.

When the train pulled up at Winston, Mo., at 8:50pm one of the men in the smoker casually placed his white handkerchief against the window pane and held it there a moment as a signal. The night was very dark and peaceful, with fireflies winking along the right-of-way. There was no sound except a monotonous chug-chug of the old diamond-stack engine and the croaking of frogs in a distant meadow.

As soon as the trainmen left the train at the stop, two bandits slipped across the platform and climbed the front end of the baggage car, stumbled out of the open door upon the rear platform. The train was now picking up speed, and the unfortunate ticket collector rolled off into the ditch, dead!

Just then Southworth, the Pullman conductor, came up to see what was the matter. He saw his companion fall off the train, saw the smoking revolver, and bent a hasty retreat into the Pullman, followed by the passengers. Frank McMillan, an elderly stone-mason employed by the Rock Island, sprang up with a heavy trowel in his hand. A bullet plowed through his head and he, too, plunged off the car to instant death.

This second murder threw the passengers into a frenzy. Shrieking with fear and jeered at by the desparadoes, they sough safety in the rear of the train, amide the utmost confusion. Joe Webb, the porter, locked himself in a stateroom, while the frightened travelers hid their valuables.

[:I] Two friends are walking in the jungle. Suddenly a tiger appears in the distance running toward them. One friend pulls a pair of 'Nikes' out of his bag and quickly puts them on. With a surprised look, the other friend says, "You don't really think you can out run that tiger with those?" "I don't need to out run the tiger", his friend replies, "I just need to run faster than you". [:I]

[LoveDomes]

Greetings Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

I'm doing my part today to help reach that elusive page 300! Haven't got a thing prepared, but I'm here!!![swg]

Looks like quite a spread of URLs earlier on from Mike - he's gotta be "king" in that regard, huh[?] Nice ones also from Doug yesterday - a bit of a twist with the motion, wouldn't you agree[?]

I think I'll have a Piels in a frosty bottle with a cold mug. Also, I'm in the mood for a half sandwich - yeah, one of my 'specials' thank you!Hold the pickles.[tup]

That sure is a rather old ad - vintage stuff from 1916. Must've been quite a time for the railroads. Actually, they had the market cornered in those days. There's always so much more to the ads than just the words, if you follow my drift. Good job![tup]

Liked that new segment in the daily Summary and you are so correct about those Hollywood air heads and their opinions on our nation's security, politics, justice, et al just makes me want to join you at the rail.

Baseball fever once again. The Mets payroll keeps going up - but they don't seem to follow suit in the standings! Well, new broom, clean sweep - we'll see.[swg] Yanks[?] Aside from one or two over there - I'm not "into" 'em. Actually the truth be known, I've lost much of my zeal for baseball. This stuff with Bonds and the rest just sickens me.

Looking at those URLs of the greats from days of yore really puts it into perspective. You said it best - Gil Hodges was indeed a role model in so many ways. Served his country - USMC I believe, and never did anything to disgrace his name, his family or the game. My kinda guy.[tup] Loved those "Bums" too . . . .

I'll have one more - then I gotta scram outta here. The ten spot is for the "Lars Box" and a round whenever there's some guys at the bar!

Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #80

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Seaboard Air Line Railway (SAL) in a 1916 advertisement from my private collection:

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. . . . . Most Attractive Route to . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Florida . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Georgia . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Cuba . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . and the . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Carolina Resorts . . . . . . . . . .

Where to spend the winter is answered in our Resort, Hotel, Golf, and Sports Guides. For Excursion Rates

Write W. E. CONKLYN
. . . . . . General Eastern Passenger Airport
. . . . . . 1164 Broadway, New York

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Acknowledgments to wanswheel Mike for those great URLs and to coalminer3 CM3 for the return to the work week and the bar! (hmmmmm, somehow that doesn't "ring" true . . )[swg]

Those URLs on baseball really caught my attention. As indicated on earlier pages and Posts, I grew up a Brooklyn Dodgers fan. We lived and died with the "Bums of Flatbush." Ebbetts Field was my summer home and the memories are still vivid. Gil Hodges was my favorite hero and still is. The guy was a great human being and deserved to be idolized. They don't make 'em like that anymore, fer sure, fer sure. By the by, that is Duke Snider in the Pix with Gil. I can still name the starting lineup with the players numbers for the teams of the early 50s right up 'til when the finally beat the Yankees for the World Series title. Boys of Summer, you betcha.[tup] When they left - they left me forever. Can't wi***he Dodgers well, no matter who they are playing. Don't hold grudges, mind you, just vindictive![}:)]

I don't want to turn this into a review of the URLs - for those looking in - check 'em out, they are worth the time.[tup][tup]

Glad you enjoyed the weekend material, CM3 - the feedback is meaningful, especially to those who took the time and made the effort to provide the Posts.[tup]

Thanx for the round and quarters - no doubt we'll find use for the latter and recycle the former![swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Holy !@#$ Toto! We had several waves of storms through here overnight - nothing like our friends to the west, but it was still a lot of wind and rain.

Much good material over the weekend.

Our 'steamed proprietor included material from RDG, SOO, and MP. One thing on my wish list that I never got a chance to do was ride SOO passenger trains.

Barndad's photos were interesting. There was a great scene in the "Untouchables" movie that was done at CUS. My wife and I were in Chicago when they were shooting several scenes downtown - wonderful stuff with vinatge autos and costumes as well as getting to see some of the actors as well. It just doesn't seem the same w/o the old Northwestern Station, however.

In addition we got more Lionel pictures; the gons I had were New York Central; several in black and one in red. I belive I talked abt. the milk car in a previous post, along with mentioning I had the PRR version of the operating boxcar which was lettered for WP in the post.

Then we got a shot of John's new addition and the Lego train set on the floor - reminds me of when Thomas the Tank Engine was operating in our kitchen - the K9 Korps made for some spectacular derailments.

Then Canadian traction from Rob and a most evocative shot of Penn Station from Mike.

More Hoosac tunnel material as well.

Last the baseball material; saw many of them over the years; hard to believe how many of them are gone because I can still see Teddy Ballgame with that beautiful swing.

Clyde Barfoot - He played for the Cardinals from 1922 to 1923; and then closed out his career in 1926 with the Tigers. Right handed pitcher and hitter who compiled a stellar 8-10 lifetime record with a career 4.10 ERA. He did have a lifetime bating average of .263. Nowadays he'd be signed to a multiyear contract at a salary (I'll stop before I get escorted to the Rat Room).

Opening Day for my teams (Red Sox and Cards) is today. Luck to everyone this season. BTW, sure had some interesting weather in Chicago for the Cleveland game last night; loved the horizontal rain.

work safe