"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

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siberianmo

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, April 8, 2006 9:17 AM

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 184

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #39

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) in a 1949 advertisement from my private collection:

The New BROADWAY LIMITED

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NEW YORK – CHICAGO . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Now in Service . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE NEWLY-EQUIPPED Broadway Limited presents completely new conception of travel . . . with new styling, appointments, riding ease and beauty . . . more comforts and conveniences than ever before, representing the finest that modern design and engineering can offer.

Beautiful new Lounge and Observation Cars . . . attractive new Dining Cars . . . distinctively new, all-room sleeping cars . . . plus the Broadway Limited’s traditional hospitality – all for your personal travel pleasure! WE invite you to make a reservation for your next trip.

NEW MID-TRAIN LOUNGE AND OBSERVATION LOUNGE CAR – Richly appointed for leisure. Magazines, buffets.

NEW MASTER DINING CAR – Attractively furnished and decorated. Enjoy delicious food . . . meticulous service. Entire car reserved for dining.

ROOMETTES for one. Full-length bed, wardrobe, complete toilet facilities.

DUPLEX ROOMS for one person. Full length bed becomes comfortable divan during day. Toilet facilities.

COMPARTMENTS for two. Sofa-seat and lounge chair. Lower and upper beds. Wardrobe, enclosed toilet annex.

BEDROOMS – for one or two – in three new styles. Lower and upper beds, wardrobe, enclosed toilet annex.

DRAWING ROOMS for three. Sofa-seat and lounge chairs . . . three beds. Wardrobe, enclosed toilet annex.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD . . . . . . . . . .

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Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

Are YOU reading the SUMMARIES[?]

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

siberianmo

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From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, April 8, 2006 8:00 AM

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 158

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Chicago, Indianapolis & Louisville - Monon (The Hoosier Line)

Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage in 1950: 573

Locomotives in 1951

Diesel: 57

Rolling stock in 1951:

Freight cars: 2,609
Passenger cars: 59

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Indianapolis
Louisville-Michigan City
Wallace Junction-Midland
Orleans-French Lick

Passenger trains of note:

Bluegrass (Chicago-Louisville)
Chicago Limited (Indianpolis-Chicago)
Day Express (Chicago-Louisville)
Daylight Limited (Chicago-Indianapolis)
Executive (Chicago-Indianapolis)
Hoosier (Chicago-Indianapolis)
Hoosier Limited (Chicago-French Lick)
Night Express (Chicago-Louisville)
Thoroughbred (Chicago-Louisville)
Tippecanoe (Chicago-Indianapolis)
Varsity (Chicago-Bloomington)
Velvet Train (Chicago-Cincinnati)
Mid-Night Special (Chicago-Cincinnati)

Of note:
Trains east of Indianapolis handled by Cincinnati, Hamilton & Dayton
Monon operated on Chicago & Western Indiana tracks between Hammond and Dearborn Station.
Monon operated on Kentucky & Indiana Terminal tracks between New Albany-Youngstown Yard-Union Station.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

siberianmo

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, April 8, 2006 7:20 AM

from: www.viarail.ca

We open at 6 AM. (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]

SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

The weekend is here! Time to enjoy a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from the Menu Board, a pastry of two from The Mentor Village Bakery, and some freshly ground and brewed coffee! What are you waiting for[?][tup]

Daily Wisdom

A man loses his dreams, his teeth and his follies – in that order.[swg]

”Our” Place” ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION is Wednesday, April 12th!

Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear – Illinois Central arrives Tuesday!

* Weekly Calendar:

TODAY: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday

This weekend will be a bit “different” in that I will be rather scarce . . . . so it will be up to all of you to keep this Thread going and at the top of the Forum page! I will provide the Summaries and perhaps a few ENCORE! pieces – but I’m not planning much more.

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Comedy Corner

Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)

[:I] An older gentleman had an appointment to see the urologist who shared an office with several other doctors. The waiting room was filled with patients. As he approached the receptionist desk he noticed that the receptionist was a large unfriendly woman who looked like a Sumo wrestler.
He gave her his name. In a very loud voice, the receptionist said, "YES, I HAVE YOUR NAME HERE; YOU WANT TO SEE THE DOCTOR ABOUT IMPOTENCE, RIGHT?"
All the patients in the waiting room snapped their heads around to look at the very embarrassed man. He recovered quickly, and in an equally loud voice replied, "NO, I'VE COME TO ENQUIRE ABOUT A SEX CHANGE OPERATION, BUT I DON'T WANT THE SAME DOCTOR THAT DID YOURS." [:I]

[:I] A biology graduate student went to Borneo to take some samples for his thesis work. He flew there, found a guide with a canoe to take him up the river to the remote site he where he would make his collections. About noon on the second day of travel up the river they began to hear drums. Being a city boy by nature, the biologist was disturbed by this. He asked the guide, "What are those drums?" The guide turned to him and said, "Drums OK, but VERY BAD when they stop."
Well the biologist settled down a little at this, and things went reasonably well for about two weeks. Then, just as they were packing up the camp to leave, the drums suddenly stopped! This hit the biologist like a ton of bricks (to coin a phrase), and he yelled at the guide,
" The Drums have stopped, What happens now?"
The guide crouched down, covered his head with his hands and said:
" Bass Solo" [:I]

[:I] A tourist has been visiting Mexico for a week. He is leaving the next day and he still hasn't tried the food. He goes to a restaurant and sits down to order and then sees what the man next to him has. It looks very tasty.
The waiter comes to take his order and the tourist tells him he wants what the other man beside him is having. The waiter says there is no more left.
The tourist then asks him what the meal is and the waiter replies that it is the testicles from the bull that lost the bullfight earlier that morning. He tells the tourist that if he comes back tomorrow he'll save this meal for him.
The tourist thinks, "What the heck, it'll be my last day here," so he comes back the next day and the waiter has his food prepared for him when he comes.
The man eats the meal and thinks it is delicious. But he is confused about one thing. He calls the waiter over and asks him why his meal looked smaller than the meal the other man had the day before.
The waiter replies, "Oh, sorry sir, sometimes the bull wins." [:I]

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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre

NOW SHOWING:

Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, April 2nd thru 8th: Eight Men Out (1988) starring: Jace Alexander, John Cusack & Gordon Clapp – and – Field of Dreams (1989) Kevin Costner, Burt Lancaster & James Earl Jones. SHORT: The Big Idea (1934).

COMING ATTRACTIONS:

. . . Sunday, April 9th thru April 15th: The Harvey Girls (1946) starring: Judy Garland, John Hodiak & Ray Bolger –and- The Train (1964) starring: Burt Lancaster, Paul Scofield & Jeanne Moreau. SHORT: Woman Haters (1934).

SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom
Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 06:07:03 (296) Friday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 07:57:00 (296) Acknowledgments, etc.

(3) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 08:33:40 (296) Lars Report!

(4) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 08:39:05 (296) The RDC!!

(5) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 10:49:40 (296) Day lite post

(6)BudKarr BK Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 12:08:04 (296) BK Report!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 12:53:02 (296 Acknowledgments, etc.

(8) BudKarr BK Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 14:06:08 (296) 3 Pix, etc.

(9) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 14:27:23 (296) 1950s Anthracite mines, etc.

(10) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 15:17:52 (296) Lars Report, part deux!

(11) BudKarr BK Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 15:52:01 (296) BK Report, part deux!

(12) wanswheel Mike Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 16:22:50 (296) URLs, etc.

(13) West Coast S Dave Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 18:53:45 (296) Left Coast Report!

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 19:10:45 (296) Acknowledgments, etc.

(15) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 19:31:26 (296) The Budd Co.

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 22:11:44 (296) for Lars & 3 Budd Pix!

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 23:29:10 (296) Inclusive Post

(18) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 23:43:40 (296) and . . .

(19) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 07 Apr 2006, 23:52:20 (296) ENCORE! Saturday – Classic Juice #21 – Pre-History of the TTC

That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

Happy Railroading! Siberianmo

trolleyboy

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, April 8, 2006 5:37 AM

ENCORE ! ENCORE ! First encore or the new day ( yes it's still dark here so the counts all good as they say.)
I shall returne later this evening to keep us moving on up today. Enjoy your morning folks.This post originally "aired" on pg 249

Rob
CLASSIC JUICE # 22 THE PREHISTORY OF THE TTC PT 2

As we left of before we were disscussing the pre - merger/ city ownership and control of the now TTC. Pt when delt with the TRC and the old Horse railways from 1861-1921.

The Toronto Civic Railways

Beacause of the refusal on the TRC's part to expand,the city felt something had to be done if development in it's newly annexed areas were to proceed.The Toronto Civic Railways (TCR) was crated in 1911 to this end. Lines were constructed on St Clair,Lansdowne, and Danforth avenues, and on Gerrard and Bloor Streets.There was a fare of 2 cents charged, six tickets for a dime,and transfer privilages on the St Clair amd Lansdowne routes, as these were the only two Civic lines that were physically connected to one another.No transfer arrangements were made with the TRC.The Civic lines did not use turning loops so as such all their cars were double ended. The Civic would continue in operation until 1921, when it was brought under the control of the TTC.

The Toronto Suburban Railway

The TSR, which operated radial lines out of Toronto,provided transportation in the city over some of their own streetcar routes at a separate fare cost.These services ran from the "junction" area of Dundas and Keele streets to the western and northern city limits.Also operated was a route from St Clair and Keele along Davenport Road ending at Bathurst Street.

After TTC operations took over in 1921, the TSR continued to operate these routes for the TTC " in trust ". Once negotiations were concluded in 1923 the TTC aquired these routes outright

Toronto and York Radial Railways

The T & YRR, also operated several radial lines in the Toronto area, and amongst these were severak separate fare street car lines operated inside the city limits.These services were along Kingston Road from Queen street to Victoria Park Ave, Lakeshore Road from the Humber river to Roncesvalles Ave,and the area of Yonge street above Woodlawn Ave, which at the time was known as North Toronto whick was annexed by the city in 1912. Each of these lines continued nto the suburban hinterlands.

The T&Y lines were purchased by the city in 1920 so as to obtain the city protions of them for the TTC. After a period of operation by the Provinces Hydro Electric Commission, the rural portions of these lines also came under TTC control in Jan 1927.

Pt 3 later

Rob

trolleyboy

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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, April 7, 2006 11:52 PM

ENCORE ! ENCORE !

First encore for this saturday,put forward with the mind that the rendezvous is so close that we can smell it,that or it's just Boris's new cologne.[:0][xx(]This post first appeared on page 248.

Rob

I figured that with the rendezvous fast approaching that I would run a few bits on the TTC. as some here know the TTC has only existed as such since 1921,it was made up of 5 separate lines ( all with their own fare systems and not transferable between each other ) all serving the city of Toronto. So the next couple of days I'll try to splain some of the nuances.

CLASSIC JUICE # 21 THE PRE HISTORY OF THE TTC PART 1

Toronto Street Railway Company

This company was incorporated in march of 1861,with Alexander Easton becoming it's president. the company was given a thity year franchise from the city of Toronto, to provide horsecar service on Yonge street, Quenn and King streets. Cars were not to exceed 6 miles an hour,and would work sixteen hours during the summer months and fourteen hours during the winter.There was to be no less than 30 min headway between cars, and the fares were to be set at 5 cents.

The company proceeded with these operations until 1869 when they ran into financial distress ( missed bond payments ). Trustee William Casey was appointed to right the ship. In 1873 William and George Kiely took over the assets of the company, and were granted a new act of incorporation to continue the companies obligations to the franchise.The company remained under Kiely control until 1891 when the franchise expired and the city assumed control.

Tornto Railway Company

The city of Toronto continued to operate the street railways until sept of 1891 when the group under William McKenzie ( of McKenzie and Mann intrests ) bouhgt the operation from the city, and began operations on a new 30 year franchise. The New company was now known as the Toronto Railway Company ( TRC ), and would become the largest operator of street railway lines in toronto until the comming of the TTC in 1921.

During the days of the TRC, electrification of the entire system occured and the horse cars were withdrawn.Extenions top the system were made, and the introdustion of open cars in the summer and closed cars in the winter began. Stoves were also installed in these new electric cars ( closed )new double truck and single truck designs ( TR Cars ) were constructed. Double truck cars were mostly rebuilt with airbrakes starting in 1905. ( ahnd brakes were banned in 1917 on passenger cars ).

In 1915, open cars were banned by the Railway Municiple board, and all cars were henceforth required to be the closed type with doors at front and rear. Lifeguards were added to car fronts providing new safety features.There had been many complaints that pedestrians would be maimed or killed if they fell in front of moving cars accidentally if these features were not insatlled. ( Consider the garb of women at the time and the rutted unpaved for the most part roads of this period )

Another improvement which the TRC completed during it's franchise was the replacement of the horse car tracks with heavier girder rail which could more easily support the newer heavier cars. Sunday service was approved by council vote in 1897 making it easier for the public to access beaches and other lesure activities. Even the horse cars were brought back as trailers for the new TR cars to handle the heavier peek traffic times during the week.

progress came to a halt in 1910, when the TRC refused the cities request to expand beyond their original franchise bounderies, as set out in 1891. This decision was upheld by the courts and as a result the cities expansion into the newly annexed areas was hampered. The TRC would uphld this desision until the end of it's franchise on August 31 , 1921. The TRC as a compnay existed on paper until 1930.

Part 1

Rob

trolleyboy

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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, April 7, 2006 11:43 PM

Silly me my brain must be completly addled, I was amiss and did not reply to a couple queries/comments aimed at me earlier. i sahll noww try to make amense

Lars I think thta an airport transit link in Toronto is inevitable,they just haven't manged to come up with a workable ( read affordable ) plan. Many proposals from RDC's to literail to subways to just plain strait VIA or Go Transit have been put foreward. There was even a though of doing a monorail type run similar to those in Disney's parks. ( likely the most far fetched and least likley choice ) mind you if it costs more that's where Toronto tends to go. One of the biggest , most extreme example of them dropping the ball was the loss of those RDC's to Dallas. I can remember taking the Go train to Blue Jay games and seeing those cars parked in the Mimico Yard just before Union station for at least three years while VIA searched for a buyer. Just no forward vision,In the long run my bet is on a lite rail type system likely run by the TTC,of coarse this would depend on some heavy government funding from all three levels,it's the getting the threee to work together and pick a plan that's taken all the time. I migth see it done by the time I'm 50, i figure that gives them 15 yeasr to pick it and build it.

Dave Saw your post hiding there.There just is too little preservation being done in general. I've seen too many historic train stations have mysterious "fires" the last 10 yeasr or so. Oddly enough the only way you can remove old trainstations legally in Ontario now is if they are damaged tio the point of being unsafe. As about 15 or so years ago the prov. gov, passed the historic stations act, which gave blanket herritage building status to all the train stations in the province,mwhich means they must not just simpy be bulldozed. If you want to build where it is you must oay to move it,thus the rash of fires. Unfortunatly the act gives no money to maintain the stations, that is a private sector thing. At least it's some protection.

Rob

trolleyboy

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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, April 7, 2006 11:29 PM

Good evening Leon, I think a round of Bud in deference to the fine efforts put forth by the bookends over the coarse of today. I have to commend you both for hatching and successfully deploying your give Tom a break plan.Not only was the information excellent it was very much on theme for the whole idea of this wonderfull little creation of Tom's. Kudos and hats off to both of you.[^]

Lars As I had said earlier today your two Budd posts were right on,solid info and I know that Tom appreciated it very much.

BK Hey connectivity problems or not you manged to hit us with the appropriate pictures, for the NYC "jetcar"full marks for the perserverance through the roter problems. Ican personally attest to the annoyances of dial up as that is my way onto the web for the time being anyway. There are days that I don't feel like dealing with the skow draggyness of it,but for this thread I probably wouldn't bother, but the crew here for the most part is second to none.

CM3 Interesting list of coalhaulers,I was supprised at the number of mines served by the D&H. Not a road I would equate to coal,but there it is in black and white.

Tom Fret not about tomorrow, I have the early shift in the morning,however I shall put up an encore in a few moments and I will check back tomorrow a nudge things along.

Rob

siberianmo

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From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, April 7, 2006 10:11 PM

Evenin' Gents!

Leon I'll take a Keiths while I check out that Post from Lars on the Budd Company. Nice work and THANX (again) for the treat![tup][tup][tup] Don't recall youl being around so often,. except of course for Bash and 'special' events. Really appreciate it - you've "come to save the day!!" And you 'n BudKarr surely have![wow]

Just thought I'd get that "leg up" on the 'morrow - as I won't have very much time for Posting on Saturday - which of course is ENCORE! Saturday - hope someone is able to 'step up' and help out.

Check this out:

Budd SPV2000 (foto credit: Joe Testagrose)

New Haven Budd RDC Roger Williams (foto credit: B. Coolidge

Amtrak Budd RDC Roger Williams (foto credit: B. Coolidge

G'nite![zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

LoveDomes

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From: northeast U.S.
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Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, April 7, 2006 7:31 PM

Good Evening!

Back again with one more post to close out the "theme" we tried to establish for you:

Budd Company

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Budd Company (now ThyssenKrupp Budd) is a metal fabricator and major supplier of body components to the automobile industry.

The company is headquartered in Troy, Michigan. It was founded in 1912 by Edward G. Budd. Edward Budd's fame came from his invention of the 'shotweld' technique for joining pieces of stainless steel without damaging the anti-corrosion properties of the stainless steel.

A railroad legend

The first Budd passenger railcar, the Lafayette, 1932From the 1930s until 1989 The Budd Company was also a leading manufacturer of stainless steel streamlined passenger rolling stock for a number of railroads. After briefly dabbling with French Micheline rubber-tyred technology, they built the Pioneer Zephyr for the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad in 1934, and hundreds of streamlined lightweight stainless steel passenger cars for new trains in the USA in the 1930s and 1940s. In the 1950s Budd built a set of two-story or high-level cars for the Santa Fe's El Capitan and Super Chief passenger trains, which became the prototypes for the Amtrak Superliner cars of the 1980s. Budd also built two-story gallery passenger cars for Chicago-area commuter service on the Milwaukee Road, Burlington Route, and Rock Island lines duing the 1960s and 1970s; most of these cars are still in service on today's Metra routes. Stainless steel Budd cars originally built for the Canadian Pacific Railway's 1955 train The Canadian are still in service with Via Rail Canada.

Train in one car

In 1949, Budd introduced the Rail Diesel Car or RDC, a stainless steel self-propelled 'train in one car' which prolonged rail service on many lightly populated railway lines, but also provided a flexible, air conditioned car for suburban commuter service. More than 300 RDCs were built. Some RDCs are still in service in Canada, the USA and Australia. One example is OnTrack in Syracuse, New York. In the 1960's, Budd built the Pioneer III electric m.u. coach for intercity travel. Six were built and were purchased by the former Pennsylvania Railroad, but in 1966, these Pioneer III cars, later called "Silverliner I" cars, were replaced with the "Silverliner II" cars, which used the Pioneer III body, but with much improvements, for Philadelphia-area commuter rail service on both the PRR and Reading Company lines. Budd was also contracted for building the original Metroliner m.u. coaches for Washington-New York City service on the Northeast Corridor, but has been replaced with more traditional locomotive-hauled systems. The Silverliner II cars, still in service (but is slated to be replaced with newer "Silverliner V" cars), has a top speed of 100 m.p.h., while the old Metroliner m.u. cars traveled at speeds of 125 m.p.h., although they were slated for 150 m.p.h. service--a feat now possible with the new Acela trainset

Almond Joys

In 1960. Budd manufactured the first stainless steel production subway cars for Philadelphia's Market-Frankford Line. 270 cars (nicknamed the Almond Joys for the 4 ventilators on top of the roof of each car) were jointly owned by the City of Philadelphia and the Philadelphia Transportation Company (now SEPTA). 46 single units and 112 married pairs (the pairs were of "mixed" marriage because the odd-numbered car came with General Electric motors and equipment was permanently coupled to the even-numbered car, which had Westinghouse motors and equipment). These cars were replaced with more modern air-conditioned units, although some cars were retrucked (the Market-Frankford line is a broad-gauge line) and used on the Norristown High Speed Line (a standard railroad gague line) until they were replaced in the mid-1990's.

Automobile innovations

In 1966, Budd designed and manufactured a front disc brake system for Chrysler and Imperial automobiles, used for the 1967 and 1968 model years.

Budd also built two series of "L" cars for the Chicago Transit Authority, the 2200s (1969–1970) and 2600s (1981–1987). The New York City Subway R32 (1964-1965), Long Island Rail Road/Metro-North Railroad M-1 (1968–1973/M2 (1973-1976)/M3 (1984-1986), NJ Transit Arrow III (1978), Baltimore Metro Subway and Miami Metrorail cars (1983) were also built by Budd.

All of Amtrak's 492 Amfleet and 150 Amfleet II cars were built by Budd in 1977 and 1980/1981. The Amfleet body was recycled for usage in the SPV2000, a modernized RDC which was very problematic, saw only three buyers (Amtrak, Metro-North, and ConnDOT), and saw very premature retirements. The fallout from the SPV2000 furthered the decline of the company.

In the early 1980s, Budd reorganized its rail operations under the name Transit America, this name appearing on the builderplates of the Baltimore/Miami cars and Chicago's later 2600s (but not the LIRR/Metro-North M3s). The new name did not save the company, as in 1987 Budd ended all railcar production and sold its rail designs to Bombardier.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A round for the house on me and I'll take a cold, frosty mug of Keiths Pale Ale - thank you!

Until the next time![tup]

Lars

siberianmo

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From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, April 7, 2006 7:10 PM

G'day!

A Friday not soon to be forgotten! THANX to Lars 'n BK for putting it together, much appreciated![tup][tup][tup] I don't think either of you should feel bad about one aspect of the day - you tried - it worked - you made my day![swg]

The best RR book that I've come across regarding RDCs is this one:

If I have any complaint it is that sufficient time has elapsed for an update. The authors should seriously consider a "part deux!!"[yeah]

Many THANX also for the rounds and quartes for our Coal Scuttle![tup]

Today really wasn't a "party" as such - that's a misread. It was a heartfelt effort to show a bit of appreciation directed towards me by a couple of supportive customers.

Good to see all of you today and for whatever you've gotten out of the Posts, my hope is that the "buzzword" should continue to be "inclusiveness" . . .

Also should mention the kind words from wanswheel Mike - and of course the URLs. I think the "Urlmeister" is by far the leader in providing the most relevant material to the discussion of the day. Good show![tup][tup]

Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!

Later (maybe]![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

West Coast S

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From: Los Angeles
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Posted by West Coast S on Friday, April 7, 2006 6:53 PM

Afternoon Tom and the crew, Round of CR, easy ice. Well, on the road again, but i'm back for now.. I see the joint is jumping and the return of several who have been absent for are too long.

Waneswheel, the B47 take was interesting, several former SAC pilots I work with nicknamed them "The Widow Maker" for their eratic flight controls that was responsible for a much publicized horrendous takeoff crash at George AFB in the late fifties, in memory of their fallen crew members..

Dang, Lars.. missed the party, have a round or several on me. I'll have Boris give you a i'm sorry kiss!!!

Rob, don't get me started on so called urban renewal, too many historic structures have been lost already, here in my area several PE structures have been converted into restraunts, disco's or any manner of usues except historic railroad interpertation if they even survived being asunder to widen roadways or to fatten the pocket of some local developer. Such a fate awaited what is believed tobe the last existence PE wooden depot, it took many years and untold dollars and lots of back room dealing to save it from being torn down to make for a roadway improvement project.

Tom, RDC's do indeed come in all varities!!! Budd had a home run with these, I understand the Alaskan RR still runs a few, re-engined with Cat 300hp plants and microprocessor controls to comply with the new tier 2 emission standards good for over 100mph, though they operate in the 30-45 mph range to quote a mechanical official!! They are used in the off tourist season when it is not conducive to assemble a full consits when just locals are the riders and as a added bonus they can buck two feet of snow thus elimating the need to run a pilot engine ahead to clear the line.

SP trvia:

Once upon the great terminal at Roseville boasted two complete roundhouses, turntable and shops, one for articulated power the second for all other steam power, the articulated barn was located conveiently where Cab Forwards could be changed for lighter power which handle the rest of the run to Oakland, likewise eastbounds change out power or aquired helpers for the climb over Donner Summit. Shasta Route traffic also passed through this bottleneck and one can't forget the North Western Pacific line to Shaffer that diverged at Roseville. To handle this traffic two humpyards were employed with a third flat yard for locals. With the Sacramento Shops close by, this by far was the largest terminal on the system until Colton was constructed, over 200 trains a day were assembled/brokenup had power added or changed during the steam era, locals, passengers, if it operated on the SP, Roseville was somehow involved.

The conversion to diesel shook Roseville to the core, in 1960 the Articulated roundhouse was razed the turntable removed and the pit filled in, to handle the changes wrought by diesels the hump yards were ripped out and rebuilt with stronger retarders and longer classification tracks. Soon roundhouse two would also be gone, replaced with a modest diesel service facality. Changing traffic patterns and operating would allow some trains to run through without pause. Some things could not be changed,the traditional terminal for helpers and a base for winter snowfighting remained as it had always been.

Dave

SP the way it was in S scale

wanswheel

Member since
November 2005
4,190 posts

Posted by wanswheel on Friday, April 7, 2006 4:22 PM

A round for the house, Tom, and there is no chance that your thread is underappreciated where I'm at.
If it's not too soon to say so, Our Place is, apart from everything else that it is, a stunning achievement!
Early congratulations and thank you very much for keeping this joint way up to standards.
It's an honor to share space here .

"The world's first large swept-wing jet, the B-47 was a revolution in aviation technology. It incorporated a plethora of new concepts that had a direct and lasting impact on future jet aircraft, both military and commercial. The B-47 pioneered the basic design for large jets, incorporating swept wings at 35 degrees and introducing podded engines. The B-47 design continues to be the basic pattern for current and future jet transports including the A380 and 7E7. Lessons learned resulted in spoilers, yaw dampers, maintenance access and structural integrity." http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/archive/2003/december/photos/12-COV-B-47.jpg

Wingspan 116 feet. A monster of an airplane but a B-17 could've fit (on its tail or sideways) in the waiting room of the old Penn Station, 7th to 8th Avenues and 31st to 33rd Streets
http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgdisplaylargemeta.cfm?strucID=229939&imageID=440639&word=pennsylvania%20station&s=1¬word=&d=&c=&f=&lWord=&lField=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&num=36&imgs=12&total=45&pos=37 http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=3231503&cdi=0 Tracks & Post Office
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=51743312&cdi=0 Night
Mike

BudKarr

Member since
September 2005
From: Alberta's Canadian Rockies
331 posts

Posted by BudKarr on Friday, April 7, 2006 3:52 PM

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and all assembled!

Back again, and this time we are functioning in the "router mode!" My "techie roomie" finally got us up and running. A combination of far too much information coupled with some simplicity made for a "fix." Will not even chance an attempt at explaining any of this . . .

Figured I would add a bit of conversation to the Friday mix - if for no other reason than to give you a respite and keep the thread up on the forum page, as you like to put it.[swg] I see the JOs are out in force again with their incessant crap, nonsense and otherwise brainless postings. Then again, my guess is many probably put us in those categories as well. In the words of our "steamed Proprietor,"

QUOTE: Screw 'em all, but six and save those for pallbearers!

[swg]

I surely am a bit down in the mouth about not being able to upload/download and otherwise reload those pix I had in mind for today. Not at all sure about Sunday for us - and right now, I think the next couple are going to be a bit difficult in terms of spending time at the keyboard. That was one of the reasons I had wanted to get a let up on photo posting now. As mentioned, the best of intentions . . .

How about a round on me and a Southern Comfort on the rocks[?] Oh yes, my intended would like a glass of white wine, if you please!

To one and all, enjoy the weekend as we progress toward the 12th of April.[tup]

BK

LoveDomes

Member since
January 2006
From: northeast U.S.
1,225 posts

Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, April 7, 2006 3:17 PM

G'day Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

How about a nice cold frosty mug of Scheafer beer[?] Slide that bowl of pretzels down this way, wudja[?] Thanks! Here's a ten spot for a round on me or for the "Lars Box" - your choice![tup]

So, Coalminer-what's-his-face did show up, huh[?] Not sure by the gist of his post that he caught what we're trying to do this day. Looks as if BK and I have to get back to the drawing boards . . .

That's quite an impressive list of anthracite mines - wonder how many are still active[?] No, no, no - don't tell us![swg]

Eclectic - electric - whatever! We understand, right Boris[?][:O][%-)]

Hey "bookend" you made it!! Sorry about the connectivity thing - can be a Royal Pain in the Patoot (if those things are measured in Royalty increments!)[swg] Nevertheless, you "done good" and I concur, next time we'll try to hold a muster for the guys we can count on to join in. I think the boss-man was suprised and pleased with our efforts. After all, he didn't send Tex out to bite our ankles did he[?][swg]

Nice shots of those NYC Jets!![tup][tup]

I must have sent a half dozen emails out to people on the net, asking for the ok to use their pix. No resonses - not a one. Looks like Tom has much better luck in doing these kinds of things. My experiences have been that if you look long and hard enough, you'll find all kinds of pix out there that are not listed as "copyright" or otherwise protected. Those are the ones I go for first. I've read more than one account where the courts are finding that once stuff is put "out there" it's awfully hard, if not impossible, to guarantee rights to it, much less protect it.
Another unintended consequence of the technology, huh[?]

Rob Toronto should have snapped up all of those Via Rail RDCs that ultimately wound up in Texas - or at least sufficient numbers to guarantee a fleet for the airport run. Such a shame indeed. But what really should happen is to go with more modern technology - mono rail or MagLev, etc. High speed runs make much more sense with "clean" fuels and automation wherever possible. That's what is happening all over the world and of course in our amusement parks and to link concourses at many international airports! Wouldn't think of using the technology for "real" huh[?]

I'll have another, barkeep! Went down awfully s-m-o-o-t-h!<grin>

Until the next time!

Lars

coalminer3

Member since
January 2001
From: WV
1,251 posts

Posted by coalminer3 on Friday, April 7, 2006 2:27 PM

Good Afternoon Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Work, work, work..........but here we are. BTW, gas is $2.79 here (went up 14 cents yesterday between 9 a.m. and noontime). My car was in the hospital and I got it back today - for a change the parts cost more than the labor. WV terrain and road conditions do wonders for brakes, front ends, etc.

I'm glad the baseball post started things rolling a little. Then we had more historical material, Jesse James, RDCs, rugby matches. What an eclectic grouping (No Boris, not electric).

The NYC's jet Budd has always piqued some interest. For those of you who are flying machine buffs, IIRC, the engines on the RDC came off of a B-47; one of the best looking aircraft ever built. Go watch "Strategic Air Command" for some great pictures of B47s and B36s, too. Almost forgot this has baseball in it as well (Cardinals, yet). Maybe our "steamed proprietor can run it at ther Mentor Theatuh some evening. Jimmy Stewart and June Alyson (don't think I have spelled her last name correctly).

In line with our now and then coal postings. Here's a list of active anthracite (!) mines in 1950. Check out which railroads served these operations. I was talking with some anthracite mining friends this morning which brought this list to mind.

Anthracite Mines – 1950

Central Railroad Co. of New Jersey

Sam Capone Coal Co.
Miners Mills Mine – Plains, PA – CNJ/Erie
Duryea Anthracite Coal Co., Inc.
Ridgewood Breaker – Laflin, PA
West End Colliery – Mocanaqua, PA – CNJ/PRR
Glen Alden Coal Co.
South Wilkes-Barre No. 5 – Wilkes-Barre, PA
Huber No. 20 – Ashley, PA
Kidder-Empire – Wilkes-Barre, PA
Wanamie No. 18 – Wanamie, PA
Buttonwood No. 22 – Buttonwood, PA
Audenried No. 4 – Audenried, PA
Nottingham – Plymouth, PA – DL&W/CNJ

Delaware and Hudson Railroad

John Conlon Coal Co.
Madeira Breaker – Hudson, PA – Erie/D&H
DeAngelis Coal Company
Boland Mine – Carbondale, PA
Heidelberg Coal Co.
Heidelberg No. 1 Mine – Avoca, PA – LV/D&H
Hudson Coal Co.
Baltimore Mines – Parsons, PA
Coal Brook Mine – Carbondale, PA
Delaware Mine – Hudson, PA
Eddy Creek Mine – Olyphant, PA
Gravity Slope Mine – Archbald, PA
Greenwood Mine – Minooka, PA
Laflin (Breaker) – Hudson, PA
Loree Nos. 2,3,4,5 and Boston Collieries – Plymouth, PA
Marvine Colliery – Providence, PA
Olyphant Colliery – Olyphant, PA
Pine Ridge Colliery – Parsons, PA
Powderly Colliery – Mayfiled, PA
Delaware, Lackawanna & Western

Courtdale Coal Co.
Ciurtdale Mine – Courtdale, PA (Luzerne County)
Dial Rock Coal Co.
Dial Rock Colliery – Wyoming, PA
Glen Alden Coal Co.
Truesdale – Auchincloss, PA
Bliss – Auchincloss, PA
Baker – Scranton, PA
Woodward – Kingston, PA
Lance No. 11 – Plymouth, PA- DL&W/CNJ
Avondale – Plymouth, PA
Loomis – Auchnicloss, PA
Harry E. Coal Co.
Harry E. and Forty Fort Collieries – Luzerne – LV/DL&W
Meadowside Coal Co.
Dunmore Colliery – Dunmore, PA – Erie/DL&W
Moffat Coal Company
Taylor Colliery – Taylor, PA

Erie Railroad

Ace Coal Co
Ace Breaker – Blakely, PA (Lackawanna County)
Sam Capone Coal Co.
Miners Mills Mine – Plains, PA – CNJ/Erie
John Conlon Coal Co.
Madeira Breaker – Hudson, PA – Erie/D&H
Consagra Coal Co,.
Blakely Breaker – Jessup, PA
Gateway Coal Co.
Forest City Washery – Forest City, PA
Meadowside Coal Co.
Dunmore Colliery – Dunmore, PA – Erie/DL&W
Moosic Mountain Coal Co.
Moosic Mountain Breaker – Jessup, PA
Motley Coal Co.
Erie Colliery – Mayfield, PA

Northwest Coal Co.
Northwest Colliery – Carbondale, PA – Erie/NYO&W
No. 9 Coal Co. – Affiliated with Harry E. Coal Co., Sullivan Trail Co., and Indian Head Coal Co.
No. 9 Colliery – Avoca, PA
Butler Mine – Pittston, PA
Pennsylvania Coal Company
Underwood Colliery – Jessup, PA

Lehigh and New England Railroad

Lehigh Navigation Coal Company
Coaldale Colliery – Coaldale, PA
Lansford Colliery – Lansford, PA
Tamaqua Colliery – Tamaqua, PA

Lehigh Valley Railroad

Bernice White Ash Coal Co., Inc.
Connell Mine – Bernice, PA (Sullivan County?)
Colitz Coal Co., Inc.
Colitz Colliery – York Farm Jct. (Schuylkill County)
Harry E. Coal Co.
Harry E. and Forty Fort Collieries – Luzerne – LV/DL&W
Hazle Brook Coal Company
Continental Mine – Centralia, PA
Midvalley Colliery – Wilburton, PA
Heidelberg Coal Co.
Heidelberg No. 1 Mine – Avoca, PA – LV/D&H
Hydrotated Anthracite Fuel Co., Inc.
Cold Spring No. 6 Washery – Milnesville, PA
Jeddo-Highland Coal Co.
Drifton Mine – Jeddo, PA
Eckley & Buck Mountain Mines – Jeddo, PA
Jeddo No. 4 Mine – Jeddo, Pa
Highland No. 5 Mine – Jeddo, PA – Coal prepared at Jeddo No. 7
Stockton Mine – Jeddo, PA
Jeddo No. 7 Breaker – Jeddo, PA
Kehoe-Berge Coal Company
William A; No. 10 Tunnel; Phoenix A; Red Ash; Stevens; No. 11 Slope Mine – Old Forge, PA – LV/NYO&W
Exeter Mine – Pittston, PA
Lehigh Valley Coal Company
Dorrance Colliery – Wilkes-Barre, PA
Henry Mine – Wilkes-Barre, PA
Prospect Mine – Wilkes-Barre, PA
Westmoreland Mine – Wyoming, PA
Hazleton Shaft Colliery – Hazleton, PA
Franklin Mine – Wilkes-Barre, PA
Locust Coal Company
Weston Colliery – Shenandoah, PA
Mammoth Coal Co.
Mammoth Colliery – Raven Run, PA LV/RDG
Morea Mining Co.
Morea Colliery – Morea, PA – LV/PRR
Payne Coal Co.
Spring Mountain Mine – Jeanesville, PA

New York, Ontario and Western Railway (NYO&W)

Kehoe-Berge Coal Company
William A; No. 10 Tunnel; Phoenix A; Red Ash; Stevens; No. 11 Slope Mine – Old Forge, PA – LV/NYO&W
Northwest Coal Co.
Northwest Colliery – Carbondale, PA – Erie/NYO&W

Pennsylvania Railroad

Duryea Anthracite Coal Co., Inc.
West End Colliery – Mocanaqua, PA – CNJ/PRR
Franklin-Lykens Coal Co.
Lykens Colliery – Lykens, PA
Gowen Coal Co.
Gowen Colliery – Gowen, PA
Landingville Coal Company
River Dredging Operations – Landingville, Adamsdale, PA –
RDG/PRR
Morea Mining Co.
Morea Colliery – Morea, PA – LV/PRR
Natalie Coal Corp.
Colonial Breaker – Natalie, PA – RDG/PRR
Philadelphia & Reading Coal & Iron Company
Oak Hill Colliery – Minersville, PA – RDG/PRR

Reading Railroad

Buck Run Colliery Co.
Buck Run Mine – Minersville, PA
D&B Coal Co., Inc.
Branch Breaker – Llewellyn, PA
Eagle Hill Coal Co.
Whitby Colliery – Pottsville, PA
Gilberton Coal Co.
Gilberton Mine – Gilberton, PA
Hammond Coal Company
Hammond Colliery – Girardville, PA
Indian Head Coal Company
Indian Head Colliery – Tremont, PA
Joliett Coal Co.
Joliett Colliery – Goodspring, PA
Kohinoor Coal Co.
Kohinoor Colliery – Shenandoah, PA
Landingville Coal Company
River Dredging Operations – Landingville, Adamsdale, PA – RDG/PRR
Mammoth Coal Co.
Mammoth Colliery – Raven Run, PA LV/RDG
Mid-Valley Coal Co., Inc.
Mid-Valley Breaker – Pottsville, PA
Mountain Top Coal Co.
Bell Colliery – Tuscarora, PA
Natalie Coal Corp.
Colonial Breaker – Natalie, PA – RDG/PRR
Otto Collieries Co.
Otto Colliery – Branchdale, PA
Philadelphia & Reading Coal & Iron Company
St. Nicholas Central Breaker – St. Nicholas, PA
Knickerbocker Mine – Shenandoah, PA
Reliance Mine – Mt. Carmel, PA
Locust Gap Mine – Locust Gap, PA
Potts Mine – Locust Dale, PA
Oak Hill Colliery – Minersville, PA – RDG/PRR
Hunter Mine – Coal prepared at Locust Summit and Oak Hill Breakers
Porter Tunnel Colliery – Tower City, PA
Sheridan Washery – Tower City, PA

work safe

BudKarr

Member since
September 2005
From: Alberta's Canadian Rockies
331 posts

Posted by BudKarr on Friday, April 7, 2006 2:06 PM

Hello Again Captain Tom and all assembled!

Still on dial-up and thus far the "fixes" have not "fixed." Therefore, rather than permit the entire day to slip by, here are but a few of the offerings I had in mind for Tom's Day! - which we will have to do again, and do it RIGHT!!

Here are a couple of photos of that NYC Jet Powered RDC mentioned in the Wikipedia article posted by Lars:

NYC #M497 Jet Powered (source to credit: unknown)

NYC #M497 Jet Powered (source to credit: unknown)

. . . And a fine looking BC Rail RDC . . . .

BC Rail RDC #BC-11 (source to credit: unknown)

A URL of interest for the NYC Jet RDC:
http://www.trainsmag.com/Content/Dynamic/Articles/000/000/004/853zeggx.asp

That is about all I can handle right now in tribute to our "steamed Proprietor!"

A round on me if you please![tup]

BK

siberianmo

Member since
February 2004
From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA
7,214 posts

Posted by siberianmo on Friday, April 7, 2006 12:53 PM

G'day!

I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack! Thanx Cindy for watching the place. I'll take it from here. Okay, Boris - you can let her out from behind the bar now. Down boy, down!!<geesh!>

So, a couple of you have been busy behind the scenes, eh[?] Much appreciated Lars for the great Post. Right up my alley, fer sure, fer sure! BK honorable intentions are just as good as the real thing some times, so don't sweat the small stuff, okay[?] These things happen - just as the "bumper sticker" says![swg] Appreciate the strong words of support and encouragement . . .

Rob Nice to see ya out 'n about (aboot) during daylight again! You must be drinking that sunscreen stuff![swg]

I could launch off into a "thing" regarding my feelings for what Lars 'n BK have brought up - but they've said it quite well. I appreciate the support and it is gratifying to know that there are a few around this place who really give a "Rat's Patoot!" Thanx![tup]

Doc didn't give me the worst news, but not the best either. I'm to continue with the "better living through chemistry" regimine - translated: keep taking the meds!<groan>

Gotta get a few things done today and I'll keep an eye on this place for some activity as well. Looks as if this is going to be one sloooooooooooooow Friday! Not quite the same without Doug beginning things and CM3 to provide his mid-morning "pick us up."

Oh by the way, Petrol up at "Collusion Corner" is not at $2.59 (rounded) - that's 11 cents from yesterday - 20 cents from a week ago. Ideas anyone[?]<double groan>

Looks as if the "monster storms" are about to pass us by - with a minor threat still existing for later today, then a great forecast for the weekend. It should be a nice trip tomorrow over to Hermann, MO where we'll spend a bit of time with Pete 'n Mrs. Pete. Looking foward to it.

Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

BudKarr

Member since
September 2005
From: Alberta's Canadian Rockies
331 posts

Posted by BudKarr on Friday, April 7, 2006 12:08 PM

Good Day to All Assembled and Cindy!

I have finally made it to the Ether-world after a rather exasperating morning of wireless problems. Seems our router is not functioning quite right and we have been engaged in series of phone fixes and the like most of the morning. Now my bride-to-be is reading through the sheafs of downloaded material before we try any of them. We are now using dial-up, which is archaic at best.

Thank you Lars for getting your submission posted, mine has yet to be prepared, as much of what I intend to provide is from internet sources and must go through the processes of uploading and downloading before assembling the final product. Exasperating to say the least.

Miss Cindy, I would like a Jack Daniels straight up, and of course a round for the chaps as they wander in.[tup]

I suspect Tom will be returning shortly as it is close to noon his time. Surely had wanted this to be done by then. Dratted luck, or lack thereof![tdn]

Let me offer an observation or two regarding what this effort is all about. As Lars said, we have been communicating over the weeks regarding a few subjects, and of course, the bar was one of them. Neither of us are tolerant of rude, ignorant and otherwise unsociable behavior whether it be in public, private or in the Ether. The latter sets a different standard in that a certain degree of anonymity exists with these types of communications, thereby providing one with a sense of insulation. Cannot be seen or heard, sort of thing. Hiding behind the typed letters, so to speak.

When Tom provides the majority of postings throughout a given day - Saturdays are good examples - it always seems that one or more guys will totally ignore his efforts and launch into their own "thing" without so much as a mention of his submissions. This happens frequently and as recently as yesterday.

We decided to provide our Mentor with a respite of sorts - we sent him an email informing him to lay low one day of the week. He chose today because it coincided with pre-existing committments and the like. So, while he knows that somthing is brewing, he does not quite know what. In hindsight, we should have let a few others in on our plan, for my end of the arrangement has fallen flat.

So, Tom Cheers to you and all you do here at the bar! A fine fellow with a talent for the type of interaction we so much enjoy at "Your" Place![tup][tup][tup]

Next post I expect to provide SOMETHING!!

One more Cindy . . .

BK

trolleyboy

Member since
May 2014
3,727 posts

Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, April 7, 2006 10:49 AM

Good morning all. Nice to see Cindy early in the ,morning eh[?][:D] It also seems that when the young lass is in that Boris seems more spit shined somehow ( his own I hope )[:O] Anyhow I think a short stack and a large mug of coffee for me this am.

Tom I never did take in a game at the big O,I remember watching the highlights of the game on the tube when those chunks of the roof decided to fall in however. That seemed to be the beginning of the end,the city refused to build a new stadium, the repairs were slapdash at the best,then the fiasco over the semi retractable fabric for the roof openning [tdn]Too bad really,hopefully they have a better go of it in Washington.Wheather or not those shots show up this week or not they will be as ight for sore eye's I would say [tup]

Don't worry about the crew that comes in with me at night, the only thing bloody that I eat would be the odd bloody Ceasar and a medium rare steak or two. And not the wooden variety either.[:-^][:O][swg]

Lars Wow, great info on the thing of the bosses's desire ( trainwise )I do hope that the airport srevice in Toronto does take off ( no punn intended )[:I] . The various levels of money grabbing ( govts ) are still fighting over the who and the how and the what. That and the cars need refurbishment and some track needs to be laid , land bought etc ad nauseum. It's definatly a needed service,but with the municiple governments of Toronto, one never knows where it's head is.[tdn] Wonderfull picture however of the BCR car,that should bring a tear or two to Tom's eye.One wonders how much damage was done to the NYC ROW during the "jet car " experament, at one point I had a trains magazine with the article on that here somewhere, but I've likley purged it along with alot of my train realated magazines. The blk and wht pictures in the article showed that car looking somewhat like the picture of the headend power of the Gulf Coast reble that Doug posted yesterday,with the glaring difference of the J47 pods on the top of the operators cab,couldn't have been good for the ears of the trainman.

Well folks, I would love to saty around for BK's early piece ( good plan by both of you BTW ) but work calls, I'll be back in my normal crypt / spot this evening. [swg]

Rob

LoveDomes

Member since
January 2006
From: northeast U.S.
1,225 posts

Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, April 7, 2006 8:39 AM

Good Morning!

Tom - here is something that hopefully will bring a smile . . . .

Budd Rail Diesel Car

CAVEAT: This material has been reproduced with “blanket” permission from Wikipedia sources at: www.wikipedia.com.

Budd RDC-1 #407 of the Cape May Seashore Lines (GNU Free Documentation).

The Budd Rail Diesel Car or RDC is a self-propelled diesel-hydraulic rail passenger car. During the period of 1949–1956, 398 RDCs were built by the Budd Company of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. These cars were primarily adopted for passenger service in rural areas with low traffic density or in short-haul commuter service, and were less expensive to operate in this context than a traditional locomotive-drawn train. The cars could be used singly or several coupled together in trainsets and controlled from the cab of the front unit.

The Boston and Maine Railroad owned by far the largest number of these units, but they were also very popular with Canadian railways such as the Canadian Pacific Railway (where they were known as Dayliners), the Canadian National Railway, and the former BC Rail. VIA Rail still uses RDCs for scheduled services on Vancouver Island and in Northern Ontario, and the planned Blue22 service connecting Toronto to its airport will use refurbished RDCs as well.

Since 1994 three RDCs are being used for the OnTrack commuter rail line in Syracuse, New York. As well, the Alaska Railroad possesses at least two RDCs. They are typically coupled together and used for the railroad's Hurricane Turn service and the annual Fair Train. The Hurricane Turn is the last remaining flag stop service in the U.S. and is the only transportation to many summer (and year-round) cabins on a stretch of track between Talkeetna and Hurricane Gulch. (The Parks Highway, the nearest road, is several miles to the west on the other side of a mountain ridge.) The annual Fair Train takes fairgoers from Anchorage to the Palmer stop next to the fairgrounds.

The basic car was adapted from a standard 85 ft (26 m) coach. They were powered by two Detroit Diesel (then a division of General Motors) diesel bus engines, each of which drives an axle through a hydraulic torque converter, a technology adapted from military tanks of World War II. RDC trains were an early example of self-contained diesel multiple units, an arrangement now in common use by railways all over the world.

Variants

An RDC train operated by the former BC Rail. (www.trainweb.com photo)

Budd manufactured five basic variants of the RDC:

• The RDC-1 — an 85 ft (26 m) all-passenger coach seating 88 passengers.
• The RDC-2 — an 85 ft (26 m) Railway Post Office and passenger coach configuration seating 71 passengers.
• The RDC-3 — an 85 ft (26 m) variant with a Railway Post Office, a baggage compartment and 44 passenger seats.
• The RDC-4 — a 65 ft (20 m) variant with only the Railway Post Office and baggage area.
• The RDC-5 (also known as the RDC-9) — an 85 ft (26 m) passenger coach seating 82, with no independent control cab.

The RDC-1 was powered by two 6-cylinder Detroit Diesel engines, each of 275 hp (205 kW).

In 1978, Budd offered a new RDC model, called the SPV-2000 (self-propelled vehicle), but only 24 of them were sold, as they proved unreliable and did not gain marketplace acceptance. The few remaining in service have long been converted to unpowered, locomotive-drawn coaches.

Unusual modifications

In an experiment toward high speed rail, the New York Central (NYC) fitted a pair of jet engines atop one of their RDCs and added a shovelnose front to its cab. This RDC, which NYC had numbered M497, set the United States speed record in 1966 when it traveled at just short of 184 mph (296 km/h) between Butler, Indiana, and Stryker, Ohio.

Several RDC's were built and exported to Australia, to operate with Commonwealth Railways, These cars operated on the standard gauge, running between Port Pirie and various locations, including Whyalla, Port Augusta and Broken Hill.

A variant was built by Commonwealth Engineering for the NSW Government Railways, consisting of five carriages. These cars included the only non-powered version of these carriages. These cars operated the South Coast Daylight Express between Sydney and Nowra

References

• Scheurle, Bob, New York Central RDC3 #M497. Retrieved March 14, 2005.
• Wayner, Robert J., ed. (1972). Car Names, Numbers and Consists, New York: Wayner Publications.

CAVEAT: This material has been reproduced with “blanket” permission from Wikipedia sources at: www.wikipedia.com.

Kick back and ENJOY! You earned it . . .

Until the next time!

Lars

LoveDomes

Member since
January 2006
From: northeast U.S.
1,225 posts

Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, April 7, 2006 8:33 AM

Good Morning!

Yes, an early visit, but for a purpose!

First, my, my, my - who have we got here this morning[?] Cindy my deAH you look marvelous!! (where have we heard THAT B4, huh[?])[swg] How can I even think of anything to eat or drink with you behind the bar!!!![?][?][?] I'm smitten . . . again![swg]

Ok - make it ham & eggs (easy over) and a cuppa Joe with a couple of pieces of wheat toast. Thanks my deAH!![wow]

Now, why the early visit - BudKarr - BK and I have been exchanging info in the ether by email and have concluded that our Proprietor needs to be given a "shot" of support. So, the following posts is my contribution toward showing Tom that there are guys "out here" who appreciate all the work put into this thread. It isn't simply a place for "takers" - it's a place for exchanges of info, for some fun and for contributions toward the TOPIC of Classic Trains. It is ALSO a place where acknowledgments of the other guys work needs to be reinforced.

BK will be providing his own efforts a bit later on . . . different time zone, ya know![swg]

So sit back and enjoy the following Post - a THANKS to Tom for all you do! A five-[tup] Salute to you, Sir![tup][tup][tup][tup][tup]

Stay tuned!

Lars

siberianmo

Member since
February 2004
From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA
7,214 posts

Posted by siberianmo on Friday, April 7, 2006 7:57 AM

Good Morning!

A bit of activity last night I see![tup] Appears that we are developing a crew of "Nite Owls," led of course by Count Robulla - be cautious![swg]

A spate of URLs from the "Urlmeister" himself - wanswheel Mike and some enlightening material regarding baseball & trains, a fine combo, fer sure, fer sure![tup] See what you started, CM3![swg] - which IS the idea - get some conversation going.[tup]

Rob We saw the Expos play three home games and we enjoyed being there - 2 were against the Cardinals. No matter what I've heard, we found the Olympic Stadium to be an interesting and fun place to watch the games. At the time, Rusty Staub - le grande orange operated one of the finest buffet operations we've experienced. It was in the stadium and a bit costly, but the food was simply outstanding in preparation, abundance and taste. We'd go in prior to game time and that would be "it" for us insofar as dining anywhere else later on was concerned. I had heard that the "theme" had changed and much of the bill of fare disappeared, etc., etc. Probably due to the huge drop in attendance. We were fortunate to experience it.[tup]

No promises for Sunday Photo Posting Day! I believe my comments were that those RDCs would appear on "a" Sunday.[swg] Glad you enjoyed them though![tup]

Pete I received 8 Pix in 4 transmissions - Thanx![tup] They look fine to me and will most definitely wind up on a Sunday Photo Posting Day! - can't say fer sure about this one . . . .

That was quite a menu change from our Chief Chef [C=:-)] but one that really tweaked some of you in a positive way! Good job Nick! And as always, happy to see your Post![tup]

Didn't seem that your Post had caught the latest "stuff" prior to it. Gotta use that "technique" I've been harping about for months - use the "Reload/Refresh" button PRIOR to preparing your Post - it will call up the most current submissions . . . .[tup]

Doug Sorry that we won't be seeing you today - but appreciate your Post from last night![tup] Another "good one" with the Rebel!! You do have a way of finding the most interesting and relevant 'stuff' for us.[tup][tup] Jokes continue, I see . . . . [tdn][swg]

I too am curious about the "cement" use, Nick wazzupwidat[?][?]

Thanx to all who bought a round and of course to Doug for the quarters for Coal Scuttle!!

Okay boyz, gotta get a move on - Dr's appointment this AM followed by a bunch of this 'n that. Not to worry - I'll be checking the Posts throughout the day! In the meantime - check out who is behind the bar![swg]

Cindy has the bar for the morning! Be kind, Gents!![}:)][:-,] Boris will be "guarding" her!

Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

siberianmo

Member since
February 2004
From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA
7,214 posts

Posted by siberianmo on Friday, April 7, 2006 6:07 AM

from: www.viarail.ca

We open at 6 AM. (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]

FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

The end of the week, already[?] Time to enjoy a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from the Menu Board, a pastry of two from The Mentor Village Bakery, and some freshly ground and brewed coffee! What are you waiting for[?][tup]

Daily Wisdom

When you beat a man at his own game, you’ve had all the revenge you need – unless you’re a hog.[swg]

”Our” Place” ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION is Wednesday, April 12th!

Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear – Illinois Central arrives next Tuesday!

* Weekly Calendar:

TODAY: Pizza Nite & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday

This weekend will be a bit “different” in that I will be rather scarce . . . . so it will be up to all of you to keep this Thread going and at the top of the Forum page! I will provide the Summaries and perhaps a few ENCORE! pieces – but I’m not planning much more.

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Comedy Corner

Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)

[:I] A lawyer runs a stop sign and gets pulled over by a Sheriff's Deputy. He thinks that he is smarter than the Deputy because he is sure that he has a better education. He decides to prove this to himself and have some fun at the deputy's expense.
Deputy says, "License and registration, please."
Lawyer says, "What for?"
Deputy says, "You didn't come to a complete stop at the stop sign .."
Lawyer says, "I slowed down, and no one was coming."
Deputy says, "You still didn't come to a complete stop. License and registration, please."
Lawyer says, "What's the difference?"
Deputy says, "The difference is, you have to come to a complete stop, that's the law. License and registration, please!"
Lawyer says, "If you can show me the legal difference between slow down and stop, I'll give you my license and registration and you give me the ticket, if not you let me go and no ticket."
Deputy says, "Exit your vehicle, sir."
At this point, the deputy takes out his nightstick and starts beating the ever-loving crap out of the lawyer and says, "Do you want me to stop or just slow down?" [:I]

[:I] On Friendship between women:
A woman didn't come home one night. The next day she told her husband that she had slept over at a friend's house. The man called his wife's 10 best friends. None of them knew about it.

On Friendship between men:
A man didn't come home one night. The next day he told his wife that he had slept over at a friend's house. The woman called her husband's 10 best friends. Eight of them confirmed that yes, he had slept over and two claimed that he was still there. [:I]

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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre

NOW SHOWING:

Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, April 2nd thru 8th: Eight Men Out (1988) starring: Jace Alexander, John Cusack & Gordon Clapp – and – Field of Dreams (1989) Kevin Costner, Burt Lancaster & James Earl Jones. SHORT: The Big Idea (1934).

COMING ATTRACTIONS:

. . . Sunday, April 9th thru April 15th: The Harvey Girls (1946) starring: Judy Garland, John Hodiak & Ray Bolger –and- The Train (1964) starring: Burt Lancaster, Paul Scofield & Jeanne Moreau. SHORT: Woman Haters (1934).

SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 05:20:51 (295) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 08:07:43 (295) Acknowledgments, etc.

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 08:28:46 (295) B’day Watch List!

(4) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 08:59:32 (295) Baseball & trains!

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 10:22:41 (295) reply to CM3, etc.

(6) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 11:07:17 (295) Baseball, movies, & trains, etc.

(7) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 11:43:34 (295) Classic Juice #26 – The Great Gorge Route

(8) BudKarr BK Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 12:37:41 (295) The BK Report!

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 15:20:43 (295) Acknowledgments & Comments

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 18:41:58 (295) 2 Pix – BC Rail RDCs

(11) barndad Doug Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 18:43:03 (295) Barndad’s Yarn – final Jesse James & Joke, etc.

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 19:08:08 (295) reply to Doug, etc.

(13) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 19:52:44 (295) Nick at Nite!

(14) barndad Doug Posted: Today, 21:20:54 (295) Barndad’s Yarn – The Rebel & Joke!

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 22:58:21 (295) Inclusive Post!

(16) pwolfe Pete Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 23:10:32 (295) Wolfman Sez!

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 23:42:52 (295) Classic Steam #21 – Huntsville & Lake of Bays Rwy

(18) wanswheel Mike Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 23:47:09 (295) Baseball & Trains, URLs

(19) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 06 Apr 2006, 23:51:14 (296) and . . .

That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

Happy Railroading!

Siberianmo

trolleyboy

Member since
May 2014
3,727 posts

Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, April 6, 2006 11:51 PM

Hey Pete, good to see you in again this evening.[tup] I was a bit supprised to not see any fish and chips myself , but the chinese buffet was wonderfull,except for the Peeking Duck ( kept popping up out of the pot to look a me ) [:O]

Don't get me started on all the herritage buildings , factiories and rail related that have been buldozed in my home town over the years,it's truly a crying shame.What miffs me the most is that in most cities in Ontario, nice old historic stone or brick factory buildings which are "retired" from being factories have in many cases been gutted cleaned up and made into l;ofts and condos. But not in my hometown, most of the nice old buildings are gone, sad to go back and see what was.

Rob

wanswheel

Member since
November 2005
4,190 posts

Posted by wanswheel on Thursday, April 6, 2006 11:47 PM

Hi Tom and everyone, a cap of night

Nick, here's the Leadbelly original http://www.jazz-on-line.com/ram/CAP398-3A.ram Rock Island Line

Thanks Pete, here's 3 plates of spaGetty
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=3324372&cdi=0 England
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=3324373&cdi=0
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=3329758&cdi=0

Rob, my post here is kind of your fault if it's too gruesome, you inspired me.

CM3, poor Miller Huggins couldn't live long like that.

"One of the greatest players of the 1890s, Ed Delahanty never played on a first-place team. He led his league in slugging five times, RBI three times, homers twice, doubles five times, and steals once. He was an offensive superstar and once belted four home runs in a game, but his death stamped tragedy on his legacy. In July 1903, while with the Senators and carrying a .333 average, Big Ed (or Del, as he was more frequently known) came unglued. Overwhelmed by marital and financial problems, the star outfielder decided to leave the team and visit his estranged wife. Boarding a train from Chicago to New York (through Detroit) on July 2, he visited the bar car and had a few too many drinks. When they reached Canadian territory, the conductor ordered the drunken ballplayer off the train. As the train sped away from him, Delahanty ran after it, tripped, and fell through the tracks into Niagara River. His disfigured body was found a week later downstream after having suffered the plunge of Niagara Falls." http://www.thebaseballpage.com/players/delahed01.php

"IN THE NEWS : Carrying the Cubs from St. Louis, the Pennsylvania Railroad sets a speed record, covering the 191 miles from Columbus, OH, to Pittsburgh in 215 minutes. Arriving in time for the game, the Cubs win, 4–1."
MAY 29, 1911 www.baseballlibrary.com

"IN THE NEWS: The Federal Express of the New York, New Haven, and Hartford Railroad, carrying the St. Louis Cardinals to Boston, plunges down an 18-foot embankment outside Bridgeport, CT, killing 14 passengers. The team's Pullmans were originally just behind the baggage coaches near the front. When noise prevented the players from sleeping, manager Bresnahan requested the car be changed. The day coach that replaced the players' car was crushed and splintered. The players help remove bodies and rescue the injured, then board a special train to Boston, where the day's game is postponed. The railroad pays each player $25 for his rescue work and for lost belongings. JULY 11, 1911 www.baseballlibrary.com

From "The Life of The Pullman Porter" by Styewart H. Holbrook

"Porters appear to have different and strongly help opinions about tipping, but seem in agreement on certain things. For instance: They can usually gauge a man's tip before they get it. Of women travellers they can tell nothing at all until the tip is in hand. The ladies are highly erratic tippers; on the whole they tip better than men, and often give tips that are all out of proportion to the service rendered. All foreigners are poor tippers, the Engli***he worst of the lot. New England natives haven't a very high reputation for tips, although regular trippers on the New Haven are said to be consistent tippers and the amount adds up well in a year. Prosperous show folk are excellent tippers and they also demand more attention than anyone else. The late George Cohan http://www.loc.gov/rr/perform/guide/mu037001.jpg was a legendary tipper. So is Jack Dempsey, http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics42/00055867.jpg the ex-fighter. The late Calvin Coolidge http://virtuallymissouri.umsystem.edu/cgi/i/image/image-idx?sid=0f8319b4825b5d08bbdaaff36ac21721;g=vm;q1=railroad;rgn1=mercic_all;size=20;c=mercic;lasttype=boolean;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;subview=detail;cc=mercic;entryid=x-303;viewid=GDGPS0285.JPG;start=1;resnum=14
was a consistant tipper, and his tip never varied. It was always fifteen cents.

More than one porter has been remembered in the will of some much-traveled man. Diamond Jim Brady http://www.urologichistory.museum/museum/content/collections/uropeople/brady/p1.cfm left $2,500 to a favorite porter. A wealthy Chicagoan left $3,000 for the purpose of putting the son of a porter through medical college. Not long ago a group of hollywood people chipped in to buy their favorite Pullman maid a colossal automobile.
Possible the pet aversions of all Pullman porters are professional baseball players, most of whom, so one intelligent porter has said, are vulgar and uncouth youths. "They tear up the linen," he relates, "destroy pillows in their adolescent horseplay, and abuse every piece of equipment aboard. Cattle cars would be too good for a majority of professional baseball players."
http://www.scsra.org/library/porter.html

http://www.shutterfreaks.com/gallery/album330/DSC_0526_Ebbets_Field_Train All dressed up and nowhere to go
http://www.shutterfreaks.com/gallery/album182/DSCF0068_First_base_line 1904 Surf Ave., Brooklyn, NY 11111
Mike

trolleyboy

Member since
May 2014
3,727 posts

Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, April 6, 2006 11:42 PM

Good evening again folks.
Tom I just had to say to that I like those couple of RDC shots,something to look forward to on sunday for sure !Okay another short new piece for the children gathered around the roaring fireplace. Okay it's just Boris and Tex but they count as children I'm sure.

CLASSIC STEAM #21 THE HUNTSVILLE & LAKE OF BAYS RY

A true shortline

This is a story of a true shortline, not one in the sence of today's modern railroading. The Huntsville and Lake of Bays Railway was only slightly over a mile and a third in length.Yet it was a very important transportation link in the Muskoka regions early developement.

It began when a Muskoka sawmill operator named George Marsh entered the steamboat business and aquired a charter to provide steamer service to Penninsula Lake and Lake of Bays. The railroads had arrived in Muskoka with lines through Huntsville and Gravenhurst almost two decades earlier, the entire Muskoka region was quickley developing into a booming resort area. ( which it still is today )Grand hotels were springing up all over and around the numerous pine forested lakes of the Muskoka region. The only way to reach most of these in the pre-auto years was by train and steamboat.

While the Muskoka lakes lay right on the mainline of the Grand trunk,the Lake of Bays,which was one of the regions most stunnung locations was well beyond the reach of the GT's rails. One propposal to reach this area was by the Bracebridge and Trading Lake railway, which was an on again off again economic nightmare. Marsh was working on a plan to build a railway over the height of land that seperated Penninsula Lake and the Lake of Bays. Althouhg this land bridge was only a mile and a half long it preesnted the challengeof a height difference between the two lakes of 165' over the mile.A canal was out of thequestion as this of coarse is Candain sheild type rock ! So his idea was to build a portage railway between his two steamer warfs would be the cheapest and easiest proposition.

In 1895 Marsh was granted his charter to build the railway. In 1900 he started the building of his new railway which he named the Huntsville and Lake of Bays railway. His first thought was to electrify it and build it stabdard guage. There was no ready sorce of electricity,so they went with a steam powered railway built to a narrow 3 and ahalf foot guage instead.This odd size was picked because it matched the wiidth of the locomotives he had for the railway.Small 0-4-0 saddle engines.In 1904 the line was finished and Marsh rode the first train a couple months before he died.

In the early yeasr, the HLB provided the only means of moving people and supplies to the lakeside resorts. In later years once cars and busses and trucks became available they were used instead of the steamers.The train trip became an excursion rather tahn a needed journey. Tourists would travel to Huntsville on CNR's Muskoka express,stopping first at Gravenhurst warf,and then onto the station warf in Huntsville.Here the steamer Algonquin picked them up and carried them to Fairy Lake and then through the canal to Penninsula Lake and to the railways North portage terminus.Passengers would then get on board one of the HLB's two wooden passenger cars for the short bouncy journey to the South Portage on the Lake of Bays. It was not unusual for a heavily loaded train commin gout of the North Portage to not make it up the steep grade on the first try,so they'ed back down to the switchback and have a second go at it ! If trip two didn't work passengers were given the option of walking !

In 1947 the original saddle tank locomotives, were nearing the end of their own line and were sold to an American collector, and replaced with newer ones. These yeasr also marked the improved road and car days so alot of Muskoka tourists began to drive to the resorts.The grand resorts were also beginnuin got be bulldozed in favour of private cottages which now ring the Muskoka lakes. In 1952 the lake steamers were mostly retired so the HLB ran as a novelty tourist line.In 1960 the line was shut down and the equipment was sold to Pinafore Park in St Thomas where it ran for many years as a summer kiddy ride.In the early 90's part of the line near Huntsville has been reactivated as part of the Huntsville Pioneer villiage, the locomotives wree reaquired from the Park and they now offer short rides upto the first portage and back a five minute or so ride. Neat little engine house and two small armstrong turntables at either end turn the trains.

Rob

pwolfe

Member since
February 2005
From: mid mo
1,054 posts

Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, April 6, 2006 11:10 PM

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of the Bathams and a round please.(Wot no fish and chips).

Another great couple of days at Our Place[tup][tup][tup]. and really good to see DAN back.

ROB Some great Classic Juices on the Hamilton Radial and the Niagara Falls. If the falls railway was open today it would be a great tourist attraction. Your comment on the factories that have disappeared under shopping malls and entertainment complexes is so right in the UK as well, my factory in England as lost half the area to them.[:(].

DOUG Thanks for the Jesse James installment and the Pikes on the Lionel Dairy car it certainly got the memories of CM3 and TOM. Hopefully I may get the chance to see one in action it sounds a novel experience. The MP 4-8-4s must have been a wonderful sight hauling a long frieght where the line runs along the Missouri.

MIKE Great links again [tup]. That are great photos of Central Vermont and Hamilton stations .What a lovely loco the GWR # 82 is and the MP list of photos is one to return to many times. I thought the rhyme to go with the missing link very good. [:)].

LARS Shame about Chris and Russell but you done a great job to make the 12th a success[bow]. Glad you will be there too BK.

NICK As you say Seaton is a great place to model, with even the through coach off the Atlantic Coast Express and the NB Type 2 would look very much at home. The malachite livery always seems to cause some discussion, I know when the Southern Railway #850 Lord Nelson was restored to running order is was turned out in that livery and seemed quite bright. I know there was a lot of letters in the railway press about it from people who could remember locos in that livery. The loco is due out again very soon and it will be interesting to see what livery.(Brunswick Green I hope.)
Talking of M7s 0-4-4 tanks have you heard of a TV programme that was on for a short while, it must have been the late 50s or early 60s in black and white. I have only vague recollections but the programme was based around the Hawkhurst? branch and the M7s were working Push-Pull trains. I cant remember what the story line was and I dont think there were many episodes. I must admit the class look supurb in lined BR black especially when clean [^].

Great baseball and trains CM3 andTOM. There must be some good tales of when the railroads worked some specials for the away fans in the days before major air travel. In England on F.A.Cup Final Day (Soccer) in steam days if it was northern teams in the final the railfans would gather early a the 'Birdcage' bridge, where the Great Central passed over the LMS at Rugby to watch the procession of often rare steam locos.
Then home to watch the match on TV as it was about the only match shown live back then.

TOM I have sent an e-mail it may not seem so but the pics were taken before I went to Pat's.Many thanks for Jesse James info and the links [tup]. PETE.

trolleyboy

Member since
May 2014
3,727 posts

Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, April 6, 2006 10:58 PM

Good evening Leon,well well that's quite a spread sir Nick has whipped up for us this evening so I'm going to have to have the sampler,I do have a weekness for good Chinease food.[:p][:D]

Doug I've totally enjoyed the JJ and the Rebel articles thank-you.[^]If you are interested the Gorge route has one well done book out there about it right now. It's called The Great Gorge Route,published somewhere around Buffalo,can't remember the author at the moment. It is still in print however.The Niagara Falls Railway Musuem does sell it, we have carried it at our musuem as well,it is a good read.

Tom The Expos,hmmm never much liked them,as a rule I don't watch National league games anyway so even when they were still in Montreal I didn't watch the games when they were on the tube.I did however usually grab tickets for them when they started playing their once a summer series in Toronto.To me baseball is a sport best watched in person,I find that on TV it tends to be a tad dry,likely cause I'm I died in the wool ice hockey guy.I have a feeling that VIA never sold many tickets for expos fans any as most of them were quite good at dressing up as empty seats the last few years if you know what I mean. To comment on the other thought you had, I would say that for the most part pro players no matter the sport likely dissapear home as soon as the games or practices are over,there isn't the same camraderie as there was in the past. Too much cash I would say.

BK Like Tom said tell me how you really feel. <grin> Actually your points are well taken,in fact with so much senceless drivel comming out of hollyweird anyway my wife and I tend to not go to the show very often. I have litterally walked out in the middle of a couple of movies,and actualli if one is calm but upset in your dealings with the local mgmt we have gotten not arefund but free passes to another movie later on. One place I do aggree with you is though,some of the cable news companies just drive me around the bend anymore,talk about some senceless TV.[tdn] I find that very rarly do they appologise for their miscues either, instead they move onto the next big story and sweep their booboo's under the rug.Give me a newspaper anyday,at least if they mess up the next edition generally has an apolpgy and a retraction in it. Glad to hear you will indeed be with us on the 12th. I myself will be in in the evening after 6pm my time. I was unable to wiggle out of work,however I do intend to make up for it in the evning so hopefully some of us will still be around at the time.

Nick Birthday felicitations of coarse to missNick. You have my intrest peeked though,why all the concrete[?] I hope that it's not an arguement with an "ex -band member "If it is Vito's rubbed off on you waaaaay to much.[:0][B)][xx(]
Rob

Anonymous

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305,205 posts

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 6, 2006 9:20 PM

Good evening again Leon and friends. I'll have a quick shot of whatever is closest to me, and some of Nick's Doug's-butterfly prawns! I am honored indeed. I want to leave my morning post with ya'll now, as I really need to be off to work as soon as I wake. I've also got my locomotive and historical society meeting in the evening, so you won't be seeing me ... so here's a humble offering to make ammends:

The Rebel January 1937 Railroad Stories

Photo by T.A. Gay, Brooklyn, N.Y.

To many railroad men The Rebel is known as the world’s slowest Streamlined train – which is probably true, for she takes better than fourteen hours to cover the 488-mile run between Jackson Tenn., and New Orleans. But railroad men who know their stuff don’t allow such a statement to represent their serious opinion of the train. They understand that The Rebel may make as many as 55 stops in those 488 miles, and they realize also that this train is making passenger business pat under conditions which would have forced many a big and ”efficient” railroad to give up the game as not being worth the trouble.

The idea behind The Rebel dates back several years ago, when the management of the Gulf, Mobile & Northern decided that if it couldn’t make money hauling passengers in ordinary standard equipment at high rates, the only thing to do was to haul them in extraordinary equipment at lower rates. So management pulled off its steam passenger trains and adopted gas-electric motor cars that could be operated for 35 cents a mile; and when it discovered that people couldn’t afford to pay 3.6 cents a mile to ride in the day coaches, it took the lead in reducing fares to two cents.

Then, early in 1935, the G.M&N. officials looked around for new equipment to make the overnight run between Jackson and New Orleans. The result of that looking around was the streamlined Diesel-electric train now known as The Rebel, built by the American Car & Foundry Co. Unlike most streamlined units, especially those of the Diesel-electric’s variety, this train was not articulated, but consisted of two-trucked cars, which could be coupled into or uncoupled from the other cars at will. The reason for this divergence was based not so much on a distrust of articulation as on the fact that conditions under which the train was designed to be operated called for such construction.

Between Jackson, Tenn., and Jackson, Miss., only three cars are used – the motive-power unit, a day coach, and the combination sleeper and observation car. Early in the morning the southbound train picks up the extra day coach and carries it on to New Orleans and thus accommodates Mississippians who want to go to town for the day; coming back in the evening, it sets the car out again at Jackson. Thus each of the two trains consists of three cars, with the spare used jointly.

Accommodating nearly 100 people, the three-car train weighs about 364,000 pounds, of which 175,000 pounds is represented by the motive-power unit. With the fourth car attached, she weighs 95,000 pounds more and takes 71 more passengers. And while the ratio of weight of train to the weight of the locomotive does not show any great advantages over modern steam power, lower operating costs are calculated to more then offset the high initial cost.

More important than cost, however, is the problem of getting people to ride the rails again; and this The Rebel has done to the entire satisfaction of the men who conceived her. Since the nature of her service with its many stops precluded an average speed higher than that of a modern automobile, it was necessary to offer something a Southern traveler couldn’t get in his automobile or in a bus. That something was comfort and style.

Style was built into the train. The American Car & Foundry hired the noted streamline designer, Otto Kuhler, to design her exterior, and the result was the most modern-looking train in the country. A broad band of Chinese red envelops her at window level, and the roof and the rest of the sides are of aluminum color, with the skirting a darker gray. The anti-climbers, on what might be called the cow-catcher, form an integral part of the design, giving an appearance of swiftness. Even when the train is standing still she looks as though running a mile a minute.

A corner of the Observation Coach

The interior is no less smart and modern, with individual chairs in the coaches, indirect lighting, built-in a***rays, ivory and pastel tones, henna upholstery, and even re embossed antique leather in the “Jim Crow” section. Incidentally, space is saved by doing away with the usual vestibule at the end of each car, and instead, there is an entrance on the side.

With air-conditioning, scientifically designed seats, and the latest in sleeping accommodations, it’s hard to find any kind of passenger transport which can claim to be more comfortable the The Rebel. Her walls have been insulated, and her track have been cushioned in rubber, so that even the click of the widest rail joint is inaudible. But the most necessary part of all the comfort, especially to a Southerner, is service. To see to it that service was given; to make the casual traveler feel he was having the time of his life and to make the professional traveler feel that here was something different, the Gulf, Mobile & Northern hired five girls to act as hostesses.

These girls were the first ones ever to work aboard a train. Chosen for their ability to mix with people without making themselves nuisances, they have transformed the impersonal atmosphere of the old-time accommodation train into one of friendliness and cooperation. Like the Union Pacific after it, the G.M.&N. has discovered that people feel better, act better – never have the trains been so tidy! – and think better of the railroad because of these young ladies.

One of the hostesses retailed the first new railroad joke we’ve heard in years. It concerned the young Mississippian who, watching the Rebel whiz by in one of her speedy moments, said “That’s the first time I ever seen both ends of the train at the same time!” All of which sounds swell, you say, but why the name The Rebel? A lot of other people asked the same question, and some of them figuratively started to fight the War Between the States all over again when they heard of it. To them President I.B. Tigrett hastened to explain that the only rebellion implied was the revolution against traditional methods. “These two trains,” he declared, “will be called The Rebel, significant of our effort to conquer and improve conditions. We are hoping to have the general approval of the people in out territory.”

Well, if increased passenger revenues are an indication, his hope has been fulfilled.

The parlor-observation end of The Rebel is streamlined, too

[:I] Three women die together in an accident and go to heaven. When they get there, St. Peter says, "We only have one rule here in heaven: don't step on the ducks!" So they enter heaven, and sure enough, there are ducks all over the place. It is almost impossible not to step on a duck, and although they try their best to avoid them, the first woman accidentally steps on one. Along comes St. Peter with the ugliest man she ever saw. St. Peter chains them together and says, "Your punishment for stepping on a duck is to spend eternity chained to this ugly man!" The next day, the second woman steps accidentally on a duck and along comes St. Peter, who doesn't miss a thing. With him is another extremely ugly man. He chains them together with the same admonishment as for the first woman. The third woman has observed all this and, not wanting to be chained for all eternity to an ugly man, is very, VERY careful where she steps. She manages to go months without stepping on any ducks, but one day St. Peter comes up to her with the most handsome man she has ever laid eyes on ... very tall, long eyelashes, muscular, and thin. St. Peter chains them together without saying a word. The happy woman says, "I wonder what I did to deserve being chained to you for all of eternity?" The guy says, "I don't know about you, but I stepped on a duck!" [:I]

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Posted by nickinwestwales on Thursday, April 6, 2006 7:52 PM

Hi guys,looks like topics of the day are baseball,Hollywood & U.S politics-3 topics on which I`m either unqualified or unwilling to speak,therefore I shall,as ever,plough my own furrow ( no Cindy,I`m not talking dirty to you )---[4:-)][oX)]TOM-As we seem to be a select gathering tonight,break out the special rum and a few glasses and lets toast our toes around the fire.
Right,last night I made it to the end of `acknowledgments` but by the time I got to `Pikes Perspectives` my arms had gone dead and I was typing with my nose-therefore I shall carry on where I left off,Boris will go and prepare a big platter of DOUGS butterfly prawns as an appetiser and when I`ve finished I`ll go and cook us all a Chinese for supper-make a change from fish and chips....
O.K-Well those old catalogue pix took me off on a walk down memory lane-my first `proper` layout ( as opposed to layouts assembled on the first day of the summer holidays,on the bedroom carpet,and still there 6 weeks later ..)
This one was a take on Seaton in Devon-a small branch terminus owned by the Southern Railway ( At risk of stating the obvious,branch line modelling is a Brit `thing`-We had lots of them to choose from as prototypes and as most of them were served by fairly short trains <tiny by U.S. standards>they can be "selectively compressed"-usually in terms of length,the least visible dimension from normal viewing perspectives,without losing the sense of the original )
Seaton was as good a choice as any,a 5 turnout formation put it within a youthful budget ( platform track with an escape track,an engine shed on the stub of the escape behind the crossover,a bay road( also used for freight ) and a goods siding.
This,backed by a 3-track staging yard was built on a 9`x1` board-the principal compromise being length,the original could accomodate 8 `65 coaches in the run-round,mine could only take three.
The principal spur for the building was an article in the Sept `72 "Railway Modeller" (Brit version of M.R.) entitled "Ashleigh,a branch line terminus in a week" in which the buider (Ian Futers,a well respected man over here) put together a fully decorated 4`6"x 1`mini terminus with interchangeable buidings,signals and stock in a half-term break from teaching.
The seed was sown...........
The layout was operated with 3 locos initially-the 0-4-0 industrial tank worked the daily goods,the M7 0-4-4 tank (prototypically) shuttled a coach to the junction and back (should have been a 2 car push-pull set) and an H.0. scale Playcraft model of a North Briti***ype 2 diesel ran in and out with any three from five matching coaches
It was far from realistic,but gave much pleasure for several years ( the next two aquisitions were `Flying Scotsman` in B.R.green with 3 Pullmans and a Metro-Cammell 3-car diesel Pullman set-gifts from a neighbour with no interest)-these rather blew the illusion-well I wasn`t going to leave them in the boxes was I ?
34 years later and here we all are...........
Right,lets get some food on the go before I lose the plot completely...
How about:-Beef & green peppers in black bean sauce,Chicken chow mein,sweet & sour Pork balls,mixed mushroom chop suey,vegetable spring rolls,Singapore rice,egg-fried rice and prawn crackers,and( I have to do this) pancakes,cucumber,spring onion,hoi-sin sauce and of course <drumroll> PEEKING DUCK !!
I think it`s probably time for me to go out to the galley-I think I can hear Boris singing,rarely a good sign
Well I`d better feed Herr Wurlitzer before I go,an eclectic mix-Vertigo by U2,T-Bone shuffle ( the original ) Eight miles high ,Black horse & cherry tree by K.T.Tunstall and I can see for miles by The Who-after that it just gets silly,take care chaps,nick [C=:-)]

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