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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:20 AM
And a very good Wednesday morning to our nucleus of the Spring cleaning crew at "Our" Place. Tom, a big howdy and 10 "atta boys" on the fine B & O Encores plus.[tup] May I partake of a # 3 and a "lead sinker" on the side, kind Sir? Oh yes, the same accolades on the B & O go to Al, Doug, Mike, and Rob.

As you know B & O is a Road of choice for my modest HO modeling efforts. I particularly like the conservative yet regal livery of that Line and their loco roster of steam and diesel holds its' own with any major roads. Every ROW has one or more "show stopping" scenic sites and for the B & O, surely the Harper's Ferry "tunnel bridge" over the Potomac is its' Zenith. At a LHS in Glen Burnind, Md., the owner was a "dyed in the wool" B & O aficionado, he imformed me of the variations of that Line's changes in livery through the years up until the 1950's. That is when the "time line" for my layout expires. There were subtle but important changes regarding the transition from light gray roofs and passenger car trucks to black and losing the 2 tone Navy blue inside banner to the one shade of Royal blue only. There are other less notable cosmetic changes with no specific bearing on "time," e.g. full width diaghrams between smooth and fluted side cars, et al. I don't wi***o get "bogged down" in hair splitting pedantry but to a "hard core" B & O modeler; it is important. As Rob pointed out, the distinctive freight roof line countours (Conestoga wagon) were a "signature" feature as well. Oh yes, the B & O Museum in Baltimore is a "must see" as much for the outside static views of steam locos as the now refurbished inside displays. While you are "at it," the Trolly Musem near Penn Station is a treasure trove also.

Sorry I'm tardy with this input but I had one hullava scare yesterday over something most of you have read in the papers. It seems a V.A. employee's lap top was stolen from his home (right, WHY at home???) with something like 4 million Veteran's records in storage..[:O] I went to "records" here locally in quest of more details thus throwing my schedule askew.

It is a great testament to the enthusiasm of our members that even with our "front line" spreading ever thinner, continuity and our M.O. has not dinimished drastically.[tup]
Hopefully, I can remain "in touch" with everyone throughout the summer come "rain or shine." This shouldn't be a problem, lest "Mother Nature" wreaks havoc with "the best made plans of mice and men." Boris, is that you? Still wearing the "Old Glory" toga, Maple Leaf loin cloth (Fig leaf) and desert sandals, eh? Well, change back to cook whites pronto and give with the bell, okay? GADFREY DANIEL...not in that order ya fool![:(!] Happy rails to all.
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:38 AM
Good Morning!

A couple of customers this fine day - nice to see ya Al 'n Ted! [tup]

B4 I forget, check out this URL for info regarding the loss of those veteran's records( up to 26.5 million) http://www.va.gov/

It's a must read for any U.S. veteran and my advice not to overreact on this - let the authorities determine the precise extent of the loss and impact, rather than operate on speculation. Also, credit report checks may be done online for free and there's always the option of freezing one's new credit authority. NOW is the time to drop a LETTER (not Email )to your Congressional representatives and senators - let them know how outraged you are over this and that GOVERNMENT has responsibility to you - safeguarding YOUR personal and private information is just one. Just my [2c]

I'm going to continue on with the ENCOREs . . . as recommended by the guy who chose to submit new stuff! [%-)] Elmer you wouldn't have done that to us, now would you [?] [swg]

Regarding B&O it had a terrific livery in the two-tone blue and the herald was a "keeper" in all respects! [tup] I traveled from NYC to Santa Ana, California aboard one of their sleeper-coaches (don't know what the correct name was) - where the seats folded flat and could be used for sleeping. Was with the Boy Scouts on a Jamboree - and it was a blast. Left NYC for WashDC - St. Louis - KCity - Coloroado Springs - Santa Fe - Grand Canyon & Santa Ana. Returned via SFran - Salt Lake City - Yellowstone - Cheyenne - Chicago - NYC. That was in 1953 - and I do recall the car was the two blue combo.

Okay - have some things to attend to, so we'll see how this day progresses! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:06 AM
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Here's something from our friend BudKarr BK for Toy 'n Model Trains Day!

QUOTE: Posted by BudKarr Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 13:33:09

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and all assembled! . . . . .

A bit of European hobby photos for the bar on this Pike Perspectives afternoon:


Fleischmann 4117 - Tender Loco Class 17



Fleischmann 4318 - Electric Loco Class E19.1



Fleischmann 4324 - Electric Loco Class 146



Fleischmann 4337 - Electric Loco Class Ae 3/6



Fleischmann 4903 - Passenger Train of the K.P. u. G.H. St. E.



4913 Passenger Train "90 Years of MITROPA" of the P. St. E. V.



I do not take credit for retrieving these photos. My computer literate “roomie” does so well at this![swg]


I will now enjoy a Southern Comfort on the rocks and a glass of white wine for my lady![tup]


Enjoy the weekend, Gentlemen!


BK in beautiful Alberta, Canada’s high mountain country!


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:11 AM
Good morning gents, I'll join Ted with a number three and some of that diesel distillate coffee that Boris is soooo proud of [:O][xx(]

In defence I had prepared that B&O piece for the original B&O theme day motnhs ago but due to the unforseens of the time I wasn't able to post it then. Mind you it has just given me more stuff to encore in the times when we are down to a scantier crew than the attire Ted described Boris wearing [alien] Not a pretty sight even in print Ted [tdn][:O]. However Boris will be Boris, perhaps Cindy will teach him some civilized mannors while your gone ( I know don't count on it )

Tom I'm supprised that you aren't taking the mascot with you, you afterall are going to his home turf. I know that length of travel isn't good for animals and some airlines and railways won't allow it anymore anyway. Still the fun you two could have up in the Arctic. Decaf sir until you are away, you need to be rested for all those flight s 'n' train and whatever else it is that you have in yiour itinerary book ( there will be a test when you get back. administered by the "Schoolmarms" H&H ) Won't that be fun [:O]

Ted I couldn't aggree with you more on the wonderfull paint schemes the B&O used, well right up until that "Sunburst" scheme it was forgettable but thankfully for you came after your time frame. I had thought of running a post on their FA /FB fleet one of the larger and more long lasting ones from the heyday of first gen cab units. I may run it later on in the summer when more can appreciate it.


Well time for another round of coffee and danishes Boris hit it. not my coffee you fool[sigh]

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:16 AM
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Here's something from our friend LoveDomes Lars for Toy 'n Model Trains Day!


QUOTE: Posted by LoveDomes Posted: 03 May 2006, 08:41:26

Good Morning Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar! . . . . .

Now, to my submission. It is amazing just how much “reality” is crammed into articles written under the guise of “toy trains” and model railroading. Check this one out for not only the fascination with Lionel trains but to glean some factual info regarding the real-life prototypes.


The following submission is from:



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LIONEL DIESEL LOCOMOTIVES


Unlike most real railroads, Lionel was slow to embrace diesel locomotives. Prior to World War II, the only examples Lionel produced were the power units for the “M10000” streamliner and “Zephyr” replicas. All this chanted in 1948 when Lionel introduced its model of the F3 locomotive. In unusual arrangement, the tooling costs for the new model were shared jointly by General Motors (parent company of EMD - the Electro Motive Division, builders of the actual F3), Lionel, and the New York Central and Santa Fe railroads.

The new diesel model was a sales hit, especially the Santa Fe. In its heyday, 125 of the gleaming red and silver units were produced each hour. This popularity paved the way for a succession of other locomotive models and paint schemes – some quite realistic, others purely fictitious. Reproduction and forgeries of many of the Lionel F-3s are rampant, and the listings below will hopefully help in distinguishing actual Lionel production from fakes.

Most real “diesel” locomotives are actually diesel-electric. The diesel engine runs at a steady speed, turning a generator. The current produced is then fed to large motors, called traction motors, which are mounted in the locomotive’s trucks.

American Locomotive Company (ALCO) was a longtime supplier of steam locomotives and was not about to let an upstart like General Motors get the upper hand. Initially teaming with General Electric, ALCO produced a broad range of models for different needs. Its model FA (Freight-A unit) was the equal of the EMD F3, and was about the same size in real life. Lionel, however, chose to offer its FA replica as O27 item, and it was substantially downsized from scale. Because the FA was the only ALCO diesel Lionel duplicated, many collectors use the name ALCO interchangeably with the model name FA.

Other GM-built locomotives Lionel chose to duplicate were the NW-2 switcher and GP7 General Purpose diesels. Lionel also listed GP9 diesel models in its catalog, but in actuality these were merely replicas of GP7 diesels with dynamic brake housings. On a real locomotive dynamic braking is achieved by using the locomotive’s traction motors as generators when going downhill or slowing the train. The current produced is then dissipated through windings, generating heat, which is why the large housing and blower are required. Its purpose is to lessen the wear on the train’s service brakes.

Longtime heavy-machinery builder Fairbanks-Morse had perfected an opposed-piston engine prior to WWII. During the war, hundreds of these were supplied for use in submarines and other Navy ships. Its high horsepower-to-weight ratio and compact size made it a natural for adaptation as a locomotive power plant, and F-M entered the locomotive market. The H24-66 (2,400 horsepower, two six-wheel trucks) “Train Master” locomotives were substantially more powerful than any other diesels on the market at the time. IT is not surprising that Lionel produced a model of these powerhouses. As with ALCO products, Lionel duplicated only one of the many models Fairbanks-Morse offered, resulting in collectors using the terms “Train Master,” F-M, and Fairbanks-Morse interchangeably.

Lionel introduced a new style switcher to its product line in 1956 with the 44-ton GE switcher. Lionel’s version was not an accurate model because it was grossly oversized. Actual 44-ton switchers were created to doge a stipulation in a 1937 agreement with the Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen and Enginemen. That agreement specified that a fireman would be required on any locomotive weighing 90,000 lbs or more. At 44 tons, the little GE was just under the limit.

The F3 and ALCO models were of a style of locomotive sometimes referred to as “covered wagons.” This name came from the shape of the round-topped full-width car body of the locomotives. Lionel’s power units were all replicas of what was known as an “A” unit. A real “A” unit had the locomotive cab, with windshield and engineers controls near one end. Other units, known as “B” units, were produced by ALCO, EMD, and other builders. These locomotives lacked the cab and engineer positions, and were controlled by an engineer in the adjacent A unit. This type of arrangement is known as a multiple unit lash up and an infinite number of locomotives, both A and B units, could be connected and controlled this way. From the real railroad’s perspective, the advantage of the B unit was its lower cost because of the lack of expensive controls and cab fittings. Further, locomotive builders often used letters to designate various models, such as E, F, GP, H, FT, FA, etc.

To add to this alphabet soup, Lionel created its own terminology for their diesel replicas. Power units had the suffix P added to the catalog number, dummy A units had the suffix T (for trailer), and B units – all of which were dummy – were assigned the suffix C, for center. Thus an A-B-A lashup of 2343 F3s would consist of a 2343P-2343C-2343T.


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If you missed my previous submission on Lionel Steam locomotives it is on page 309, 19 April 2006


Until the next time!

Lars


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:27 AM
Okay here's an Encore for early this day. I didn't have anything pikes wise however trhe PCC cars are very modellable in all scales really with Bowser, Bachman, Brass,Corgi and IHP all making kits or ready to run versions in many scales even MTH does O scale ones. Well off to work time, see everyone tonight. BTW Tom loved seeing BK's loco pictures again thankx

Rob


QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy




Classic Juice #8 The PCC


The PCC car. The final of what I think were the major three tactics / car designs brought out to keep the riding public on the street railways, as opposed to busses or cars.

The PCC or Presidents Conference Committee cars were designed by a committee of the 21largest streetcar companies of North America { Toronto , Philly . Clebveland , KC , St Louis , Chicago , and Detroit being amoung the designing presidents ) The company presidents got together in St Louis in 1934 to brainstorm and come up with a car design to compete with burgeoining compition from cars and busses also to modernize and maintain passenger levels in the final stages of the great depression.


They wated to go with a car that could operate as a one man vehicle( coast saving) most older designs had been so converted at this point) utilizing the revolutionary Pay as you pass ( the farebox ) idea started by Peter Witt in the late teens. They also wanted a lighter weight, faster car ( the older wood and steel cars Witt's nearside's etc had heavy framing and were slow and in some designs rough riding ) which would be comfortable and warm and appealing to modern people.

The cars ended up with a light weight unibidy design which as was envogue at the time streamlined with leather,padded upolstry in single an double seat sets the length of the car. Efficient electric in floor heating and a very quick 0 to 50 mph start up which would leave auto's and cars weighting in a dead start. These were the frist stret cars that could actually maintain a constant quick speed with which they could keep up with traffic. The cars were first put into production at the St Louis car company with the first units rolling off the assembly line in 1936. Pullman standard annd CC&F ( Canadain Car & Foundry of Montreal ) soon had licence to build the design as well. The first CC&F units rolled off the assembly line for the TTC in 1938. Our museum has air electric # 4000 the TTC'S original Candain prototype car. ( still operable as well )



The first batches of the cars had a definate art deco design very curvy and gracefull. They are also known as the airelectric PCC's meaning that the doors and brakes were air powered with the traction power and heaters being electric. In 1944 PS and St Louis car began building the all electric version's which featured as the name suggests all door brake and traction power being electric ( thus simplifying maintenance ) The later all electrics could be mu'd for train service on busy routes. Shaker heights in Cleveland Bloor and St clair in Toronto are two that come imediatly to mind.

The PCC's certainly had staying power they were manufactured from 1936 straight through to 1951. many external changes ocured to the designs over the production spans. A few double ended cars, larger bus type windows, ommision of standee windows, and roof ventilation options, etc etc.

Close to 6000 units were produce for the major Us and Canadian cities as well as several European city systems, in France , Belgium and Holland. The TTC even sold older airelectric cars to Alexandria and Cairo i Egypt. Several Us cities also sold off theiir cars to Turkey or other cities as they discontinued service or replaced with newer LRV's.

At one point in 1965 the TTC webt all PCC sysrem wide with 400 cars they purchased new and the additional cars they bought used a refurbised from US cities finally topping out at 775 cars on the system. Today most PCC's are in musuems however San Fransisco's street railway runs several lines with just PCC cars bought mostly from Toronto & other cities as well. One thing with theirs are that they maintain the cars with their classic donner paintjobs so on San Fran you can see Baltimore,detroit ,Cleveland . PE just about everyone's liveries plying the streets still doing what they do best. Quick efficient point "A" to point "B" oublic transit.

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:07 PM
G'day!

Just a few comments as the temps are on the rise here in mid-Continent USA along with tornado warnings for a few adjacent counties. [tdn]


Rob - Siberia ain't Alaska - and that's where Juneau's ancestral lineage may be traced - Siberian Husky. [swg] Anyway, this trip is primarily a rail riding experience from Anchorage to Denali to Fairbanks to Anchorage - hardly anything that our puppy would be permitted to share! [swg] Nice thought, though!

Not so sure I can "buy" that weak explanation from you, Elmer - but if it "works" for you, then . . . . [swg] Of course the important thing is that you stopped by and provided us all with something of interest! [tup]

So where's 20 Fingers [?] Oh, that's right - it's Toy 'n Model Trains Day! and my guess is he thinks that we don't permit anything else! <groan> C'mon Al - I know you're out there! [swg]

Getting back to your comments, Elmer - I WISH we were indeed going to be in the Arctic. That's an enviornment I've always enjoyed. But this trip will be in temperate climates for this time of year. I suspect we'll see 60s 'n 70s during the afternoons, with probably 40s at night and early morning. This old world has changed . . . . A test [?] Bring it on! [swg]

Okay, boyz - catch ya later! [tup]

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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:18 PM
Good afternoon Tom and Rob and whoever else might be hanging around this day. Time for a quick CR and a round for the house. If I keep peeking in here I am not going to get much writing accomplished on my RDC book.
Our Place is definitely a distraction , but an enjoyable one.

I figured with all of the model train stuff on Wednesday i could at least get my new book formatted today. So far not so. If the phone rings one more time I will disconnect it. My boss has a mountain cabin without a phone says I can use it but can't talk the nurse into driving up their to see me everyday. The cabin sounds nice after I get all of this contraption disconnected for a couple of weeks at least. No phone no internet, no wife just peace and quiet. Nice thought anyway.

Well back to my new venture

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Posted by West Coast S on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 6:53 PM
[:D] Good wendsday Tom and all, round of Anchor Hocking if you please.

Quiet indeed, here goes my presentation:

THE ERA OF THE SPECIAL DUTY SERIES ARRIVES ON THE SOUTHERN PACIFIC;

In 1952 EMD began production of a model that would come to signify the Southern pacific's answer for severe tonnage ratingsover sever grades and light trackage requirements, the SD7 packing 1700hp with the new twelve axle Flexcoil trucks and employing maxium ballast in the frame for enhanced traction.

SP could have placed this order for forty eight units with Baldwin or Alco, as both builders had a history of heavy road switcher deliveries to the SP, in the end, SP chose EMD reliability over increased horsepower per unit. SP wanted no surprises out on the road. Deliveries continued until mid 1954 when the SD9 sucessor was announced. They arrived wearing the standard switcher paint for units of over 1500hp of black carbody,silver ends and Daylight orange Tiger stripes, the famous "Black Window" colors were still a few years away for the SD7's.

Numbered 4301-4347 they were immediently assigned to the tough and grueling Shasta Division, were they not only replaced steam but F7's as well. The displaced F units migrated to the Donner crossing, until sufficient SD deliveries caused them to be homeless again.
No longer would it be required to mu ten or more F units to avoid burning traction motors when half the number of SD's could handle the task.

Some not all, wore orginal paint to the introduction of Grey and scarlet in 1961, they were still considered first line mainline power, however, by 1965 SP reclassified them as heavy switchers. Along with recalssification came new numbers in the 4400 series. Two SD7' escaped the downgrade, 4450/4451 retained their steam boilers for use on the Lathrop connection of the daylight, considered the best scrubbed units on the road they were nicknamed "Huff and Puff" in difference to their lack of speed, they later migrated to the commute pool and saw service on company trains as well.

The SD's reigned supreme on the North Western Pacifc, heavy lumber traffic, questionable track conditions and many grades required as many as six to get the job done and there they stayed until the Union Pacifc merger. The complete SD roster was included in the GRIP program, SP had no intent to re-invent the wheel, but incorporate new technologies not available when built, the horsepower ratings was not changed, no chopped noses were applied, but improved traction motors/ wiring and filter/spark arrestors were installed and the rear hood stripped of all light packages and the number boards plated over. Despite being renumbered yet again back to the 4300's and offically confined to yard/transfer service, SP dispatchers would find mainline assignments for them, often in the lead position leaving much newer designs to the trailing postions well into the nineteen eighties. All divisions rostered the SD series for helper duty at one time or another.

The final use of the SD's occured under Union Pacifc ownership when the final four serviceable units were assigned to duty out of Bakersfield in helper duty when they pressed into one final mainline assignment in 1997.

Dave
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:32 PM
G'day!

I see that we have 12 Posts thus far today, of which 6 are mine (not counting this one). So, breaking it down further, we've had 4 customers today (some repetitive). Now, given our situation of reduced patronage due to planned absenses, that ain't all so bad!

Dave I sent you an Email and hope you find the time to check out what I've provided. Given the way things are and will continue to be - we are encouraging more 'n more ENCORE Posts - repeats - until we get the gang back (as in regulars).

Also, reading those daily SUMMARIES will provide the "heads up" for one and all insofar as the way things are 'round the bar.

Al That cabin sounds IDEAL! How do I get the keys [?] [swg]

Appreciate the rounds from Dave 'n Al [tup]

REMINDER:
Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)



Later!

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Posted by wanswheel on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:43 PM
Hi Tom and everyone or two or three, a round for the house.

Dave, I'll read your post pretty soon.

Mets won last night, beat the Phils 9-8 in 16 innings. Longest Met game in 11 years. They're leading 5-4 at the moment. Let me get this posted so I can watch it.

Rob, your encore was good the first time too. I remember doing some googling about it. Learned a lot.

Ted, there was a Johnny Cash song, "One Piece At a Time," about a guy working 20 years at General Motors hauled home enough spare parts in his lunch box to build a Cadillac. Now a guy can walk out the door with 26.5 million records in his pocket. That's progress.

Probably why I still love classic trains, 35 years gone now. Unless you count the early days of Amtrak when they still ran trains of 'classic train' cars. No, I guess we can't count Amtrak. But the mountains and rivers on the rails today haven't changed that much, there's still a hint of what was.

Tom, If you can bear to click just a few more links for me, a post script to the B&O:

Last run of "The Metropolitan" at tunnel 8, heading toward Parkersburgh, WV at the end of April 1971 http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~duplerd/wva/Am116.jpg

Eastbound B&O at Parkersburgh, a few years earlier: http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~duplerd/markley/Am18.jpg

Chicago http://www.jerryapp.com/arcv1/ja-r029.jpg

Pittsburgh?
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-mld-ebr.jpg 1

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-moonlight-7r.jpg 2

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-mld-fbr.jpg 3

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-ml-br.jpg 4

NOTRE DAME http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-colobs-ajs.jpg
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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:20 PM
Good evening Leon, I think a round of CR;'s for the crew tonight would be in order.

Tom The "Schoolmarms" said that they will meet up with you at the airport to administer their "test(s)" Helga did want to know if you were allergic to latex for some reason though[:O][%-)][:-,][:-^] Sounds like it will be one heck of a nice trip though, would be nice country to see that and the Yukon and it's narrow guage delights.I will have some of my rendezvous photo's back in a day or two ( gotta fini***he film first ) I'm still a 35mm man, I haven't tested the digital waters just yet.I bet you are wishing that you guys had Chris Pronger back right about now eh [?]

Dave great to see you on a wed. afternoon. Good article, hopefully as Tom said you will repost it again in a couple of weeks when the rest are back from their absences.I've always liked the SD7's and SD9's they are a real locomotive, loud and chunky. Too bad that they never gained favour up here. I picked up a Lifelike SD7
Demonstrator though just cause I had to have one, and a demo is the only one I could justify on a Canadian layout.

Mike I'm glad that you liked the PCC article, nexyt to the old tried and true single truck birney car they were thee trolley car in most NA cities. I liked your follow up B&O yurls as well [tup] I'm not a huge Johnny Cash fan but the Piece at a time was one I do like, I have a recording of it kicking around here someplace.

Al You need to take your laptop at least to the cabin, that way you can format your book in peace an spend quality time here the rest of the time when you have an internet connection. [swg]

Rob
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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:34 PM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Another classic juice encore for you gents to peruse, in keeping with the historic trolley car aspects.
Enjoy again. Rob

QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy


The Nearside Car A Classic Juice tech story



Since the beginning of public transportation, fare collection and how it was handled has always been a determining factor of car design.When horse cars were first introduced the driver handled the horses and the conductor collected the fares from the passengers as they entered the rear of the car and exited at the front. This is ( was known) as pay as you enter. ( PAYE )

This continued into the electrification of the street railways.The conductor would signakl the stop and starts for the motorman via bell signals.Howerevr because passengers entered at the rear of the car the motorman did not always have a clear view of them and accidents were unfortunatly common as the motorman would start off and passengers would grab for a handrail etc miss and fall. This resulted in injuries sometimes deaths and lawsuits against the company.

To combat these problems and lawsuits, an English born Thomas E. Mitten ( who was the acting chairman of the executive commitee of Philladelphia Rapid Transit, initiated and oversaw the design of a new type of car.This car was ultimatly named the "Nearside" car.Passengers boarded and departed through the front doors on these cars, this gave the motorman much better control. The conductor sat behind the motorman and called out street names and destinations as well as still collecting the fairs and issuing the transfers.Passengers could still exit the car via the back doors if they wished

In the days before the Nearsides the car would pull through the intersection to line up the back doors for the passengers to board. So they stopped on the farside of the intersection. Mitten's design called for the passengers to enter at the front, so the cars stopped on the "near" side of the intersection, hence the name.

For political reasons trhe first cars of this design were built by J. G . Brill of Philladelphia. Both cars were sent to Buffalo and tested there for assesment as Buffalo's street railway was once served by Mitten as General manager. The first prototypes #6000 and 6001 were built in 1912.

The standard specs for these cars was as follows 45' 6" in length over the anticlimbers.width of 8' 5" ,top of the rail to top of the roof 12' 0". The original design called for the use of Brill's maximum traction truck 33" driving ( powered ) wheels and the second axel with 22" non powered. IN typical Brill fashion the cars had a high arched roof for summer time ventilation.

The Brill records show that slightly more than 2000 of these casr were built. Used by Buffalo,Chicago,Philladelphia,Atlantic City ,and Lincoln Nebraska. One of these cars was made for Canada for the British Columbia Electric Railway ( BCE ) in Vancouver. It was number 501 and was to be the prototype no more were ordered however. Philly not supprisingly had the largest fleet numbering 1500 cars

The Nearside was the first of two major fare collection induced design changes for streetcars. the next happening in 1920 by peter Witt of Cleveland. That story will come later.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:43 PM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

One last encore for this evening. This one from one of our "bookends"Seems appropriate seeing as how [4:-)][oX)]Captain Tom has brought in some fine input from both BK and Lars today. This is truly one of the good ones infowise that we have come to see here at the bar [tup][yeah]

See everyone tomorrow.

Rob


QUOTE: Originally posted by BudKarr

Good Day Gentlemen,



Caveat: This was begun nearly two weeks ago. Interruptions have prevented me from completing this endeavor in a timely fashion.



A Man Named Pullman

There are volumes that have been written about George Mortimer Pullman (1831-1897) and the long lasting contributions his innovativeness of the railroad car and management of them made to North American railroading. Some highlights are in order:

(1) Born into a Brockton, NY family of farmers and mechanics in 1831, it is appropriate to state that he was NOT the inventor of the sleeping car. That distinction, according to history, goes to the Cumberland Valley Railroad, who began operation of those types of cars several years before Pullman’s birth.

(2) His first venture into the adult world was as a cabinet maker, turned contractor. The latter brought him to Chicago where he met a man named Benjamin Field, who would become a long time partner and associate in the rail car management, design and operation business.

(3) The first railroad to adopt the Pullman-Field approach to sleeping cars was the Chicago, Alton & St. Louis Railroad in 1859 when they accepted the offer to have two of their coaches remodeled into sleepers.

(4) In 1865, the largest and most costly car of the day was built by Pullman himself, appropriately named the Pioneer for the westward expansion of the railroads to the Pacific Coast. This car had the distinction of costing $20 thousand, about 5 times the cost of a coach, had 16 wheels, and 12 sections of sleeper units. IT was longer, wider and higher than the standard coaches of the day. In fact the Pioneer was used in President Lincoln’s funeral consist and required the stations along the way to make structural changes to their platforms in order to accommodate the passing train! The Pioneer was credited with having the first fold down berths, and while perhaps not the most luxurious in design and accommodations, was at least as well appointed.

(5) By the end of 1866, every major railroad serving Chicago signed on the Pullman-Field sleeping car operation. Field decided that Pullman was better off on his own, and stepped aside.

(6) Early in the 1870s, 800 of Pullman’s cars operated over 30,00 miles of track in an association between his company and the ACL, CRI&P, DL&W, MP, NP, AT&SF and SP. It was to be that Pullman’s “Empire” would buy up the contracts of the association railroads, thereby providing him with the sole access desired.

(7) Upon his untimely death in 1897, the heirs of the family took over and moved forward with the innovations many take for granted even to this day:

(a) PULLMAN 12-1: Usually this heavyweight trailed the streamlined consist – with the exception of a heavyweight lounge car midway in the string. The car was a 12 section, 1 drawing room Pullman rather common back in the 40’s.

(b) PULLMAN SECTION SLEEPER: Provided the most basic in terms of sleeping accommodations for the first class traveler. This arrangement may be posed an awkward situation for some, as complete strangers wound up sharing the unit. The protocol was passengers who purchased the upper-berths were obliged to sit in the rearward facing seats during daytime travel, whereas the lower berths entitled the passengers to the forward facing ones. The upper berth was without windows, and was accessed by a ladder. Heavy, dark curtains provided privacy for the sleepers in each unit.

(c) THE ROOMETTE: A 1937 innovation provided the privacy and space demanded by the traveling public. These were smaller than double bedrooms, but much more affordable for the single traveler. By day, there was a wide, plush seat with a toilet facility. At night, the bed folded out of the wall, covering the toilet, but gave a window level, wall to wall, bed. This accommodation became the most popular following the end of WWII.

(d) THE DOUBLE BEDROOM: This was the choice for traveling couples. With two beds, two collapsible day chairs and a fully accessible toilet (at all times), a cozy environment was provided for the train travelers. There were two types: (1) a couch that folded into a bed, crosswise to the rails, with a second bed folded down from the ceiling. (2) Then there were the fold down bunks parallel to the rails.

(e) MASTER BEDROOM: Some referred to this as a “cousin” to the Drawing Room. Both featured three beds, but the difference was the fully enclosed shower in the Master Bedroom. The bunk beds were perpendicular to the rails, whereas the third bed was at window level and parallel to them.

(f) PULLMAN RESTAURANT CAR: In the 1930s, Pullman converted many heavyweights into “Parlour – restaurant” or “restaurant-sleeper” cars. This was done to supplement the operating railroad’s usually full dining cars. Pullman’s own employees were assigned to these cars and they quickly became the “car of choice” for Pullman travelers. Elegance in dining was commonplace at these tables.

(8) THE END: The Pullman Company ceased collecting money and staffing cars after December 31, 1968. Shortly thereafter the maintenance for the cars ended, thereby leaving the host railroads with a choice: staff them on their own, or discontinue the sleepers.

POST SCRIPT: There is so much not said within this submission about this fine company. Those who created it, nurtured it and operated it have a place in railroad lore, just as well as those who staffed and maintained those wonderful Pullmans of days gone by.

BK
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:28 AM

ENCORE! Courtesy: www.viarail.ca


THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


We open at 6 AM. (All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Thursday has arrived! C’mon in – enjoy a cup of freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee – a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from the Menu Board and of course one or two goodies from The Mentor Village Bakery!



Daily Wisdom


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Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear –
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* Weekly Calendar:


TODAY: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


SATURDAY, May 27th is West Coast S Dave’s B’day Bash! –
Scheduled for NOON to 4 PM (Pacific) – 3 – 7 PM (Eastern)


MONDAY, May 29th is U.S. Memorial Day!



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Comedy Corner


Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)

[:I] A cowboy rode into town and stopped at a saloon for a drink. Unfortunately, the locals always had a habit of picking on strangers, which he was. When he finished his drink, he found his horse had been stolen. He goes back into the bar, handily flips his gun in the air, catches it above his head without even looking and fires a shot into the ceiling. "WHICH ONE OF YOU SIDEWINDERS STOLE MY HORSE?" he yelled with surprising forcefulness no one answered "All right, I'M GONNA HAVE ANOTHER DRINK, AND IF MY HORSE AIN'T BACK OUTSIDE BY THE TIME I FINNISH, I'M GONNA DO WHAT I DONE IN TEXAS! AND MAKE NO MISTAKE, I DON'T LIKE DOING WHAT I DONE IN TEXAS! Some of the locals shifted restlessly. He had another drink, walked outside, and sure enough his horse was back. He saddled up and started to ride out. The bartender came out and said "Say partner, before you go.... what happened in Texas?"
The cowboy turned back and said "I had to walk home." [:I]


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NOW SHOWING:

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. . . Sunday, May 28th thru June 2nd: Patton (1970) starring: George C. Scott & Karl Malden –and- The Eagle Has Landed (1977) starring Michael Caine, Robert Duvall & Donald Sutherland. SHORT: Uncivil Warriors (1935).

COMING ATTRACTIONS:

. . . Sunday, May 28th thru June 2nd: Patton (1970) starring: George C. Scott & Karl Malden –and- The Eagle Has Landed (1977) starring Michael Caine, Robert Duvall & Donald Sutherland. SHORT: Uncivil Warriors (1935).



SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 May 2006, 01:44:52 (339) Wednesday’s Info & 18-Post Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 May 2006, 02:40:18 (339) Insomnia!

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 May 2006, 07:06:25 (339) Comments

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 May 2006, 07:18:24 (339) ENCORE! Canadian Rail Journey, Pt II

(5) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 24 May 2006, 07:20:22 (339) Gulf Coast Report!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 May 2006, 09:38:49 (340) Acknowledgments & Comments

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 May 2006, 11:06:52 (340) ENCORE: BK’s 19 Apr 2006 Post

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 May 2006, 11:11:40 (340) Comments

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 May 2006, 11:16:48 (340) ENCORE: Lars 03 May 2006 Post

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 May 2006, 11:27:13 (340) ENCORE: Classic Juice #8 – The PCC

(11) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 May 2006, 16:18:10 (340) Chat

(12) West Coast S Dave Posted: 24 May 2006, 18:53:22 (340) SP Special Duty Series

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 May 2006, 19:32:44 (340) Acknowledgments & Comments

(14) wanswheel Mike Posted: 24 May 2006, 20:43:56 (340) Comments ‘n URLs

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 May 2006, 22:20:55 (340) Count Robulla;s Nite Cap!

(16) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 May 2006, 22:34:39 (340) ENCORE: The Nearside Car

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 May 2006, 22:43:10 (340) ENCORE: BK’s A Man Named Pullman




That’s it! [tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!



Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:23 AM
Good Thursday morin to yous who are still in the neighborhood. It's getting kinda spooky hereabouts but with Herr Wurlitzer, a fresh prune Danish, friendly cuppa Joe and fine memories of "posts past;" old times are the best of times.[^] Hey Tom, thanks very much for the links on this latest V.A. fiasco. I guess if "it can hit the fan" at the V.A., 'it' can happen any where.[:O] Imagine what price the "petty thief" can barter for now that he knows the gravity of his "ill gotten gains?" This may be pure coincidence but I received a few solicitous phone calls that were "out of the blue" yesterday evening. I'm on the "do not call" rolls, so it seemed unusual. Your trip tp the "Seward's Folly" sounds as ideal to me as Al's offer for a mountain retreat.[:D] You with your spouse and Al with a practical nurse. I always wondered what "practical" means(?)

Mike, the pix of B & O hard ware really yanked my chain and yes, that does look like Pittsburg, PA. I rode the Line as often as I could from D.C. to Chicago until one X-Mas leave the Capitol Limited arrived at 8 hours late. No food in the Diner, no booze in the Lounge and "no fool like an old fool" were the lessons learned. I never tried that again.[V] Ah yes Rob: Pullman "thy name is luxury!" It is my fondest hope that those of our number who have not had the pleasure of, at least, an overnight sojourn in a bedroom on a Pullman will someday "just do it." Am I right Tom, Al, Mike? Oh I know, the "luxury" can't be the same on Amtrak but still there is something about the movement and muted sounds of the "outside world" going by before R.E.M. sleep that can't be replicated any other way. Be sure to close the window shade fellas. I had an embarassing moment arriving at the Portland, OR station platform one very early morrnin' [:I]...met her in Spokane...'nuf said![:D]

Okay, I'll put my order in for the Halibut fillet deep fried in beer batter now (ala St. George's Arms) in hopes that [C=:-)] will do the hono(u)rs. And as for you Boris, keep your presence well away from the galley (Nick's cauldron). I don't need to find any "foreign matter"[alien] in my chips this time.[:(!] Gadfrey, hasn't there been enough of that going around lately? Right Boris, give us a clap from ole "99!" Uh, uh, don't even think it! See Y'all soon.

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:09 AM
ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!
first Posted on page 173

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #31

.

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check out this advertisement regarding the Pullman Company from 1950:

The carefree distance between two points

Travel by Pullman is more than just a trip! It is a carefree vacation . . . relaxing overnight travel that leaves you rested and refreshed when you arrive! No highway worries . . . no driving tensions. Just sit back and enjoy Pullman’s many travel extras – the immaculate, king-size beds . . . the privacy . . .. the freshly-cooked meals . . . the refreshments and pleasant conversation in the friendly club car. Next trip, travel the carefree way . . . by Pullman! You’ll be as safe as you are in your own home!

Complete privacy! Every Pullman room accommodation has its own toilet facilities. Individually controlled heat and air-conditioning let you choose your own travel “climate” . . . and the many courteous extra services of Pullman are yours at the touch of a button.

Your local Ticket Agent will help:
1. Provide information on routes and fares.
2. Plan your stopovers.
3. Furnish your railroad Pullman tickets.
4. Reserve a “rent-a-car” at your destination.

Pullman
means comfort, safety, privacy and sleep


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!
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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:28 AM
Here is my Pullman sbmission for the day.

PULLMAN
Owned Streamlined Sleeping Cars
by Al

The Pullman operating Company better known as the Pullman Pool owned a total of twenty-one lightweight sleeping cars. Many of these Pullman owned cars were sold to railroads while a few lasted to the end as Pullman cars.
First of the lightweight Pullman cars was the GEORGE M. PULLMAN named for the founder of the Pullman Company. This car was an Observation that featured an interior with 3 Double Bedrooms, 1 compartment 1 Drawing Room Buffet 8 seat Dinette 12 seat Lounge 6 Seat lounge Observation. This car was built along the lines of a heavyweight car except for its skirting and turtle roof with rounded Observation end. The GEORGE M. PULLMAN was among the first cars to have retractable steps. Interior of the car was art deco and was very modern by standards of the day and would have matched cars built as late as 1950. The car was constructed using mostly Aluminum including the trucks except for the wheels. Upon completion in May 1933 the car was displayed at the Century of Progress fair in Chicago. After the fair the car was assigned to different trains so it really became quite well traveled. In 1935 the pair of Aluminum trucks the only ones of there kind were replaced by conventional 6 wheel heavyweight trucks.
It's first regular assignment was between February and July 1938 to the Santa Fe CHIEF pool. One of the Santa Fe CHIEF streamlined Sleeper Observations CHAISTLA was assigned to the second SUPER CHIEF during this period until Pullman delivered the SUPER CHIEFS own Streamlined sleeper Lounge Observation PUYE. The GEORGE M. PULLMAN received a two tone Gray paint scheme for service bringing up the markers of the TREASURE ISLAND SPECIAL between May 22, 1939 and August 22, 1939. On that date it was withdrawn and assigned to the replacement train for the wrecked CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO beginning on August 23, 1939. For the TREASURE ISLAND SPECIALS second season June 22, 1940 - September 16, 1940 the GEORGE M. PULLMAN was once again bringing up the markers. For the 1940-41 winter season the GEORGE M. PULLMAN was assigned to one of the FLORIDA ARROW consists.
Thereafter the GEORGE M. PULLMAN found assignment where needed the most during WW II and its next regular assignment was once again on the Santa Fe assigned to one of the CHIEFS following the war. The car also found postwar assignment to the UP in the CITY OF LOS ANGELES pool.
In October 1952 the GEORGE M. PULLMAN was retired from the Pullman pool and sold to the Chicago Great Western for use as a business car. But strong evidence suggests that the CGW used the car for charter service on many occasions. The car was often seen in Omaha during this period with business leaders aboard from Kansas City, Chicago, and Minneapolis - St. Paul.
Sadly this one of a kind car ended up in an Omaha scrap yard in September 1964.

3 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 8 SEAT DINETTE 12 SEAT LOUNGE 6 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Pullman Standard May 1933 Plan: 4028 Lot: 6400 (Built for and assigned to Pullman Pool)

GEORGE M. PULLMAN

In August 1936 a pair of articulated sleeping cars were delivered to the Pullman Pool by Pullman Standard. One of these cars was an Observation named PROGRESS and the articulated sleeping car it was mated with was named ADVANCE. This articulated pair were truly lightweight streamlined cars complete with the smoothly rounded Observation end on PROGRESS. The interior of ADVANCE featured 14 Duplex Single Rooms and 2 Double Bedrooms. Interior of PROGRESS featured two 3 Double Bedrooms 1 Compartment Buffet 26 seat Lounge Observation. First regular assignment for the articulated pair was to the FORTY- NINER between Chicago and San Francisco. For this service the two cars received new names which they would carry for the remainder of there service lives. ADVANCE was renamed BEAR FLAG and PROGRESS received the new name CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC in keeping with the trains Gold Ru***heme. The FORTY-NINER entered service July 8, 1937 and the final trip of the FORTY NINER took place July 26, 1941. This train used heavyweight sleeping cars streamlined for this service and was assigned steam power. Initially the UP rebuilt and streamlined a Mountain and Pacific for their portion of the FORTY NINER trip. The Pacific operated between Omaha and Cheyenne and the Mountain between Cheyenne and Ogden. The SP assigned any of there Mountains and the C&NW assigned Pacific's initially until the new streamlined Hudson's arrived.
Next regular assignment for the articulated cars was to one of the ARIZONA LIMITED consists between Chicago and Phoenix between December 15, 1941 and April 3, 1942.
The ARIZONA LIMITEDS were another all Pullman operation like the earlier FORTY - NINER except there were two consists and every other day service was maintained. The sleeping cars in these trains were all streamlined and the trains operated for two seasons only.
Following the second world war the pair were painted UP streamliner colors and assigned to one of the daily CITY OF LOS ANGELES consists of 1947. After there stint in CITY OF LOS ANGELES service the pair found very little use after that and were scrapped in August 1956.

ARTICULATED 14 DUPLEX SINGLE ROOM 2 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard August 1936 Plan: 4050 Lot: 6478 (Built for and assigned to Pullman Pool)

ADVANCE later BEAR FLAG

ARTICULATED 3 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT BUFFET 26 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Pullman Standard August, 1936 Plan: 4051A Lot: 6478 (Built for and assigned to Pullman Pool)

PROGRESS later CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC

In October 1936 Pullman Standard constructed a new streamlined sleeping car with fluted stainless steel panels hung by fasteners over the mild steel car sides beneath using truss frame construction. This sleeping car was an 8 Section 2 Compartment 2 Double Bedroom car. The car was named FORWARD and after completing a brief exhibition tour was assigned to the Santa Fe SUPER CHIEF. This was the first lightweight streamlined sleeping car assigned to the then all heavyweight diesel powered SUPER CHIEF. The heavyweight SUPER CHIEF consist along with FORWARD were withdrawn from service when the new streamlined light-weight SUPER CHIEF began service May 18, 1937.
At that time the FORWARD was assigned to every other night service between Chicago and Kansas City.
When the new streamlined daily CHIEFS entered service in February 1938 the FORWARD was assigned to its pool of cars.
Ownership of FORWARD was transferred to the Santa Fe in 1945. The FORWARD was rebuilt in Santa Fe Topeka Shops to a Baggage 15 Crew Dormitory car in October 1963 and numbered 3473.
The former FORWARD was scrapped in the late 1960's.

8 SECTION 2 COMPARTMENT 2 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard October 1936 Plan: 4057 Lot: 6494 (Built as experimental car using Truss Construction method)

FORWARD

The next Pullman Pool car built was the ROOMETTE I delivered in August 1937. This was the car that introduced the Roomette to the railroads. The ROOMETTE I contained 18 Roomettes. The ROOMETTE I was exhibited and operated in numerous trains until August 1940 when it was renamed MOSES CLEAVELAND and assigned to the NKP operated in overnight service between Chicago and Cleveland. In 1945 ownership of MOSES CLEAVELAND passed from Pullman to the NKP. In February 1950 the MOSES CLEAVELAND was once again renamed for the third time and assigned a number as well 216 CITY OF COLDWATER. The car was assigned to overnight St. Louis - Cleveland service for a period of time and ended its days operating Cleveland - Chicago. The NKP retired the 216 CITY OF COLDWATER in July 1961.

18 ROOMETTE SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard August, 1937 Plan: 4068G Lot: 6526 (Built as experimental car to introduce the Roomette to the railroads)

ROOMETTE I later MOSES CLEAVELAND and 216 CITY OF COLDWATER

A second all Roomette Sleeping car was constructed by Pullman Standard in December 1938 and named ROOMETTE II. It was nearly identical to the earlier ROOMETTE I. In August 1940 ROOMETTE II was assigned to overnight service between Chicago and Cleveland on the NKP along with ROOMETTE I.
At that time the ROOMETTE II was renamed ROBERT DE LA SALLE.
In 1945 ownership of ROBERT DE LA SALLE was transferred to the NKP. In December 1949 ROBERT DE LA SALLE was renamed and numbered 215 CITY OF ST. MARYS. The car was retired in July 1961.

18 ROOMETTE SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard December 1938 Plan: 4068G Lot: 6556 (Built to operate opposite ROOMETTE I and assigned to Pullman Pool)

ROOMETTE II later ROBERT DE LA SALLE later NKP 215 CITY OF ST. MARYS

The next Pullman Pool sleeping car was the AMERICAN MILEMASTER Sleeper Buffet Lounge Observation delivered by Pullman Standard in April 1939 and displayed at the New York Worlds Fair. The car was repainted prewar streamliner colors of the UP and assigned to replace the GEORGE M. PULLMAN in the wreck replacement CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO. The AMERICAN MILEMASTER was itself replaced by the trains regularly assigned Observation NOB HILL back from repairs in June 1940. At that time AMERICAN MILEMASTER was repainted two tone gray and replaced GEORGE M. PULLMAN bringing up the markers of the TREASURE ISLAND SPECIAL and completed this assignment September 18, 1940.
Next regular assignment for the AMERICAN MILEMASTER began December 15, 1940 bringing up the markers of one of the two ARIZONA LIMITED consists and completed this winter only assignment April 3, 1941.
In September 1941 the AMERICAN MILEMASTER was assigned to one of the SP LARK train sets after that trains regularly assigned car 400 was destroyed in a collision on September 19, 1941. In December 1941 AMERICAN MILEMASTER lost its name and was numbered second 400.
Following WW II the cars ownership was transferred to the SP. For the rest of this cars history please refer to the Southern Pacific Chapter.

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 20 SEAT LOUNGE 8 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Pullman Standard April 1939 Plan: 4082 Lot: 6597 (Built for and assigned to Pullman Pool)

AMERICAN MILEMASTER

In March 1940 Pullman Standard delivered four IMPERIAL series 4 Compartment 4 Double Bedroom 2 Drawing Room cars to the Pullman Pool. The four cars were assigned to whatever train needed them until December 1940 when they were assigned two per consist to the ARIZONA LIMITED train sets. All four operated for both winter seasons the ARIZONA LIMITED operated in that train. At the completion of their ARIZONA LIMITED assignments the cars were transferred to the GOLDEN STATE pool of these cars and received numbers 217 - 220. The cars joined eleven others numbered 206 - 216 assigned to the same train built in 1942. Cars 217 to 220 were originally MPERIAL CLIPPER, IMPERIAL GUARD, IMPERIAL THRONE and IMPERIAL BANNER. The four cars remained in GOLDEN STATE LIMITED service for many years with ownership being transferred to the Rock Island and Southern Pacific in 1945. Cars 217 and 218 became Rock Island and 219-220 became the property of the Southern Pacific.

4 COMPARTMENT 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM 2 DRAWING ROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard March 1940 Plan: 4069D Lot: 6605 (Built for and assigned to Pullman Pool)

IMPERIAL BANNER

IMPERIAL CLIPPER

IMPERIAL GUARD

IMPERIAL THRONE

In March-April 1940 Pullman Standard built and delivered to the Pullman Pool 8 CASCADE series 10 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars.
Four of these CASCADE series cars were assigned to the ARIZONA LIMITED its first winter season of operation CASCADE BANKS, CASCADE BASIN, CASCADE BOULDERS and CASCADE GULLY. The first two CASCADE BANKS and CASCADE BASIN also operated in the ARIZONA LIMITED consists there second and final season. Both of these cars would remain in the Pullman Pool until retired and scrapped in August 1967.
Another two CASCADE MILLS and CASCADE SHOALS were assigned to the ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKET service between Kansas City and Belleville where they made connections with the main ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKETS going westbound and returning eastbound beginning in June 1940. That day's eastbound CASCADE series sleeper operated as a Parlor Car with space sold at Parlor car rates for the daytime journey. The westbound CASCADE series sleeper operated overnight with space sold at regular sleeping car rates.
In November 1940 CASCADE MILLS and CASCADE SHOALS were replaced by newly built Rock Island owned 8 Section 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars 620 FOREST CANYON and 621 THOMPSON CANYON.
At that time CASCADE MILLS and CASCADE SHOALS were transferred to the Santa Fe who assigned them to overnight service between Chicago and Kansas City. In 1945 the ownership of these two cars was transferred to the Santa Fe and for the rest of their careers they operated overnight between Chicago and Kansas City.
Two other CASCADE series cars CASCADE BLUFF and CASCADE LOCKS operated in the Pullman Pool until transferred to the B&O in January 1941. They were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITEDS becoming the first lightweight streamlined sleeping cars assigned to those trains.
CASCADE BOULDERS and CASCADE GULLY joined CASCADE BLUFF and CASCADE LOCKS in CAPITOL LIMITED service beginning in May 1942 upon completion of there ARIZONA LIMITED assignments. All four CASCADE series cars transferred to the CAPITOL LIMITED became B&O owned in 1945.

10 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard March - April 1940 Plan: 4072B Lot: 6606 (Built for and assigned to Pullman Pool)

CASCADE BANKS

CASCADE BASIN

CASCADE BLUFF

CASCADE BOULDERS

CASCADE GULLY

CASCADE LOCKS

CASCADE MILLS

CASCADE SHOALS

In June 1940 Pullman Standard delivered a stainless steel sleeper lounge observation named MUSKINGUM RIVER to the Pullman Pool. This car was assigned to one of the ARIZONA LIMITED consists for the two seasons that train operated. Upon completion of its ARIZONA LIMITED duties the car was transferred to Richmond for assignment as a wreck replacement for SP 401 recently wrecked on the LARK. In June 1943 MUSKINGUM RIVER lost its name and was numbered second 401. In 1945 ownership of second 401 passed to SP. For the remainder of 401's story see the Southern Pacific Chapter.

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 19 SEAT LOUNGE 8 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Pullman Standard June 1940 Plan: 4082 Lot: 6608 (Built for and assigned to Pullman Pool)

MUSKINGUM RIVER

In April 1942 Pullman Standard delivered the first Duplex Roomette Sleeping car to the Pullman pool. This car named DUPLEX ROOMETTE I featured 24 of these spaces twelve on either side of the center aisle. From the outside the car was easily recognizable by the windows down each side being staggered. This one of a kind car found many assignments throughout the war and attracted some interest by at least two Railroads. Both the Santa Fe and Canadian National would both order 24 Duplex Roomette Sleeping cars following the war.
In November 1949 Pullman renamed DUPLEX ROOMETTE I to L.S. HUNGERFORD. A few years later the car was sold to the NdeM and renamed PARICUTIN.

24 DUPLEX ROOMETTE SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard April 1942 Plan: 4100 Lot: 6673 (Built for and assigned to Pullman Pool)

DUPLEX ROOMETTE I

Although not a Pullman Pool service car Pullman Standard constructed four cars in 1947 for the GM Train of Tomorrow. Each of the four cars was a dome equipped car. There was a Dome Coach, Dome Dining Car, Dome Sleeping Car and Dome Lounge Observation. The Dome Sleeping car besides the 24 seats in the dome had the following sleeping accommodations 3 Compartments, 2 Drawing Rooms and 8 Duplex Roomettes. This car was named DREAM CLOUD. After a tour of the country the entire TRAIN OF TOMORROW including EMD E7A diesel unit was sold to the Union Pacific in September 1950. After repainting at Omaha the four cars and power unit were assigned to the first westbound CITY OF LOS ANGELES for a trip to Los Angeles. From Los Angeles the cars operated in other trains to Portland, which would become their base of operations. The four cars were assigned to UP Portland - Seattle pool trains 457-458. Since this was daylight run sleeping car space in DREAM CLOUD was sold at Parlor car rates.

24 SEAT ASTRA-DOME 3 COMPARTMENT 2 DRAWING ROOM 8 DUPLEX ROOMETTE SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard May 1947 Plan: 4128 Lot: 6780 (Built for and assigned to GM TRAIN OF TOMORROW)

DREAM CLOUD

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Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:15 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; Coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

We survived our trip to and from the GCA (Greater Cleveland Area) – this included Cedar Point, Great Lakes Science Center, Omnimax (I want one for the house), and Cleveland Zoo/Rainforest. A good trip with well-behaved younger passengers. Ample rail activity en route, if you knew where to look. Last but not least the weather was excellent!

Man there’s a lot to review.

Wanwheel – Thanks for the URLs and the UP pictures and the Three Stooges photo. It is Pittsburgh in your B&O pictures; also enjoyed the shots of Parkersburg.

Tom – Enjoyed ACL and B&O material and the Toronto shots – TTC cars are nice looking (they had tons of PCCs when I rode them), and then a shot of Maple Leaf Gardens!

Barndad gave us the Great Pickleworks Wreck. And a ton of material on CTC installations.

Rob provided a nice summary of the Great Gorge Route and CN and CP pictures.

Pete – Thanks for shots of the Valley RR and the Lincolnshire Lt. Railway.

Al – B&O material is most useful.

Dave provided some good stuff on the SP.

Here’s a short B&O piece

Enjoy These Modern Travel Pleasures
Go By Train – at Low Rail Fares

Comfort – Relax in reclining coach seats, Slumbercoaches or modern Pullmans
Convenience – Depart and arrive in the center of town – near hotels, business offices and stores
Dependability – Fine, fast dependable service...in all kinds of weather
Good Meals – Dining is a pleasure – selection of reasonably priced meals, a salad or a sandwich
Relaxation - Highway strain and hazards are avoided p and lunges offer a club-like spot for sociability

Our employees invite you to ride with us – and enjoy B&O’s Courteous Service

Baltimore and Ohio Railroad (4/61)
I guess our ‘steamed proprietor will be leaving soon – bon voyage!

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 25, 2006 10:07 AM
ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!
first Posted on page 176

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #32

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check out this advertisement regarding the Pullman Company from 1950:



The carefree way to travel today!


Whether you travel for business or pleasure . . . alone or with others . . . you’re taking more than a trip when you go by Pullman. You’re enjoying a relaxing change of pace that releases you from the cares and routine of the day. For Pullman is as comfortable and accommodating as the finest hotel. No other form of travel offers so many important extras – the immaculate, king-size beds . . . the privacy . . . the freshly cooked meals . . . the refreshments and pleasant conversation in the friendly club car. Whenever . . . wherever you go . . . travel by Pullman. You’ll be as safe as you are in your own home!

Your local Ticket Agent will help:
1. Provide information on routes and fares. 2. Plan your stopovers. 3. Furnish your railroad Pullman tickets. 4. Reserve a “rent-a-car” at your destination.

Pullman
means comfort, safety, privacy and sleep


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]




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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 25, 2006 10:51 AM
G'day Gents!

A rather hot, muggy morning here in mid-Continent USA as the summer season is definitely upon us, in spite of what the calendar indicates! Gonna be hot ‘n sweltering ‘round these parts . . . . [tdn]

Been awhile, but there’s quite a bit to comment on from last night and this AM – so, best jump right on it! [tup]

wanswheel Mike Posted: 24 May 2006, 20:43:56

Mets appear to be “for real.” But the surprise of suprises in the Major Leagues just has to be the Detroit Tigers. They currently hold the best won-loss record in the majors and look as if a turnaround has definitely taken place. A new manager, new attitude and the results are stirring! My Cards aren’t surprising anyone, after all they only won the most games in the majors for the past two consecutive seasons. With that lineup of bizillionaires, how can they not [?] <groan>


One of my favorites from the “Cash Man” –
QUOTE: JOHNNY CASH LYRICS

"One Piece At A Time"

Well I left Kentucky back in '49, and went to Detroit workin' on a 'ssembly line,

The first year they had me putting wheels on Cadillacs.

Every day I'd watch them beauties roll by, and sometimes I'd hang my head and cry

'Cos I always wanted me one that was long and black.

One day I devised myself a plan that should be the envy of 'most any man.

I'd sneak it out of there in a lunchbox, in my hand.

Now getting caught meant getting fired, but I figured I'd have it all by the time I retired.

I'd have me a car worth at least a hundred grand.



I'd get it one piece at a time,

And it wouldn't cost me a dime,

You'll know it's me when I come through your town.

I'm gonna ride around in style,

I'm gonna drive everybody wild,

'Cos I'll have the only one there is around.



So the very next day when I punched in with my big lunchbox and with help from my friend,

I left that day with a lunchbox full of gear.

I've never considered myself a thief, but GM wouldn't miss just one little piece,

Especially if I strung it out over several years.

The first day I got me a fuel pump, and the next day I got me an engine and a trunk.

Then I got me a transmission and all the chrome.

The little things I could get in my big lunchbox, like nuts and bolts and all four shocks.

But the big stuff was snuck out in my buddy's mobile home.



Now up to now my plan went alright, 'til we tried to put it all together one night,

And that's when we noticed that something was definitely wrong.

The transmission was a '53, and the motor turned out to be a '73,

And when we tried to put in the bolts all the holes were gone.

So we drilled it out so that it would fit, and with a little bit of help from an a-daptor kit

We had that engine running just like a song.

Now the headlights they was another sight, we had two on the left and one on the right

But when we pulled out the switch all three of 'em come on.



The back end looked kinda funny too, but we put it together, and when we got through

Well that's when we noticed that we only had one tail fin.

About that time my wife walked out, and I could see in her eyes that she had her doubts.

But she opened the door and said 'Honey, take me for a spin.'

So we drove uptown just to get the tags, and I headed to ride on down main drag.

I could hear everybody laughing for blocks around.

But up there at the courthouse they didn't laugh, 'cos to type it up took the whole staff,

And when they got through the title weighed sixty pounds.



I got it one piece at a time

And it didn't cost me a dime

You'll know it's me when I come through your town



I'm gonna ride around in style

I'm gonna drive everybody wild

'Cos I'll have the only one there is around



Uh, yeah red rider, this is the cotton mouth in the psycho-billy Cadillac come on, ho.

This is the cotton mouth and nugatory on the cost of this mo-chine there, red rider

You might say that I went right up to the factory and picked it up, it's cheaper that way.

Er, what model is it?

Well it's a '49, '50, '51, '52, '53, '54, '55, '56, '57, '58, '59 automobile.

It's a '60, '61, '62, '63, '64, '65, '66, '67, '68 [to fade]



trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 May 2006, 22:20:55, 22:34:39 & 22:43:10

Bringing back BK’s piece on A Man Named Pullman was a good read and set the stage for today’s “unofficial theme!” [tup]

If I see the H&H gals [?] anywhere near an airport we’re using, there’s gonna be big time trouble! Security guys will haul ‘em off as a threat to our well being! [swg]

Your rerun of the nearside car is even more meaningful for me now that I’ve been to the Halton County Radial Railway! [tup]

Depends on who one is talking with regarding the BLUES, NHL playoffs and Chris Pronger. He left because the organization was cutting salaries – big time – in advance of a pending sale of the franchise (still hasn’t been sold). There was no outward displeasure with Pronger, although again depending on who one speaks with. I felt he was a spoiled brat from the onset – given bags full o’ ca***o play a game – set up in a zillion dollar condo – just a kid. Then he matured, thanx to Al McGinnis’ mentorship and became what he is today. And you know what [?] When the BLUES recently retired McGinnis’ number before a game against the Oilers Pronger was no where to be seen for the ceremony. Many thought that was not only rude, but tacky as well. So, it depends on just how one views all of this. At this stage – I could care less about the whole of it. The year “off” killed more than one franchise and time will tell if the NHL will ever fully recover. [#offtopic] Boris ring the bell! [swg]


Theodorebear Ted Posted: 25 May 2006, 07:23:01

Back to the business at hand – the VA’s screwing up of our records leading to a potential massive identify theft. I’ve done what is available to place an “alert” on my credit rating. Further, my representatives and Senators know exactly how I feel about all of this. I expect our government to rise to the occasion to ensure that WE aren’t made to PAY for protection of our identities due to the GROSS SCREW UP by government! Any Vet who puts out money to do this without DEMANDING remuneration from government is plainly playing into their hands. Our elected officials need to recognize that this is one of those times where they need to ACT rather than REACT. [soapbox] Boris ring it again! [swg]

My definition of “practicality” has everything to do with ability – on both sides of the coin! [swg]


passengerfan Al Posted: 25 May 2006, 08:28:31

While I believe we’ve seen that Pullman Post B4 – it’s great to read any time! All it really lacks to round it out are Pix. Thanx. [tup]


coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 25 May 2006, 09:15:53

Returned just in time to “save the day!” eh[?] The WVA Report was missed and we hope you’ll be able to stick with us throughout the remainder of our drought . . . .

Thanx for the “bon voyage” – however, I plan on Posting on Monday and Tuesday (morning) – then I’m “gonezo!” Guess you won’t be ‘round on the Fed Holiday, eh[?] We also have a “thing” going on Saturday and if at all possible, would appreciate your dropping off a [bday] greeting to West Coast S Dave. Unfortunately, I don’t believe he scans very far back in the pages, so to do it today or tomorrow quite possibly means he won’t ever see it. One can lead a horse to water, but . . . . !

Thanx for the round and quarters! [tup] Next time you plan an absence, just drop off the quarters in advance! [swg]


Additional THANX to others who purchased rounds last night and this fine day! [tup]


REMINDER:
Cindy will take the day shift behind the bar and Leon the evenings during my absence. Boris will tend to the duties in the kitchen and get the place going each AM at 6.

Later! [tup]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:04 PM
ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

G'day!

Continuing on with my 2005 Canadian Rail Adventure, here's Part III . . . .


QUOTE: Posted by siberianmo
Posted: 20 May 2005, 14:21:48
Canadian Rail Journey, Part III (initially Posed on page 15)

The trip back to Montreal on Monday, May 9th, was aboard a similar VIA Rail consist to the one that brought me to Ottawa (4 LRC coaches powered by a Genesis P42 loco). The car was only 1/3rd full, whereas the morning train was packed. My only gripe with the outbound train to Montreal is that there was no opportunity to snap off a few pix …. Boarding call, followed by a “march” to the cars, very structured and organized to say the least.

Departing the Ottawa station at 3:10 PM, Train #34 began the scheduled nearly 2 hour trip to Montreal. The ride was smooth and comfortable. Before I knew it, we were approaching Place Bonaventure and Montreal’s Central Station. Our early arrival (10 minutes) provided me with a little over an hour before boarding call for the “Ocean” and my return trip to Halifax.

One thing of note on the way back from Ottawa was my observance of a N. de M. electrified locomotive sitting at one of the shops near downtown, on the south side of the mainline. This loco didn’t look “well” and my guess (since corroborated) is that it was there for maintenance. I didn’t have the time to snap off a photo, for before I knew it, there it was – and there it went! I still have to look twice when I see the N. de M. markings on rail cars – seeing more of ‘em these days as CP’s and CN’s empires expand.

Once again, sitting within Montreal’s Central Station, listening to the sounds of the train announcements – chimes – bilingual announcements – the hustle and bustle of a real live train station all around me. Yes – this was and remains a special place for me and those of us who appreciate all aspects of passenger rail travel.

The boarding for the Ocean took place precisely at 6 PM for those holding Easterly Class tickets (bedrooms). Proceeding down the escalator to the awaiting train, gleaming in the station lights, I found myself mesmerized once again with just how great those Budd stainless steel cars look and how well VIA Rail has maintained them. (Sure, some may find fault here and there, but my take on that is these very same people probably have “issues” with most things in life – perhaps even Santa Claus!)

My single bedroom (Roomette) this time was at floor level and once getting my gear stowed, I proceeded to the next car, the Evangeline Park observation dome. The 11 car train was the same that brought me to Montreal in the morning – 2 FP40’s (#6441 & 6405) – one baggage, two coaches, one Skyline dome car, one dining car, five Chateau series bedroom cars and the Evangeline Park observation dome car. Car attendants were the same as well, “Joanne” in the Park car and “Al” in the Chateau Brule bedroom car adjacent to the Park car.

Sitting up in the dome – front seat on the right side, I engaged in my familiar “routine” of watching the procession of commuter trains leaving with their cars full, heading off to their suburban destinations. On the right side were the electrified loco’s (out of sight as they had backed in) and on the far left were the trains powered by F40PH’s of Montreal commuter rail system, “AMT” – translated: Montreal Agency of Transportation. During my time in the dome, I did see on LRC consist arrive, powered by a Genesis P42 in that great VIA Rail livery.

6:30 PM arrived and the Ocean slowly left the station behind as once again daylight enveloped the train, giving new perspective to it all. Crossing the St. Lawrence on the Victoria Jubilee Bridge is always special. The Seaway below, with the ships heading off to their destinations, the automobiles, trucks and buses on the bridge, a passing commuter train to the left and of course the structure itself with a turnout to the right, over the water no less. Really is interesting to take it all in.

On this evening, I decided to forgo the dining car experience for two reasons. First, the menu was the same as our Thursday, May 5th trip to Halifax and my Sunday, May 8th trip to Montreal. Enough! Second, I just wasn’t all that hungry – so a sandwich in the Park car dome, with a couple of Alexander Keith’s pale ales “worked” well for me.

VIA Rail is about to undergo several changes to what many of their regular passengers have taken for granted. I posted a separate thread regarding these changes on two forums, and provided Email’s to several people who requested this insight. So, for anyone interested in what these changes are all about – check the previous posts on this thread, and you’ll find them.]

Remaining in the Park car’s dome until about 10:30 PM, I finally gave in to the urge to sleep, and called it a day – a long, enjoyable day. I had accomplished that which was to be done – once again enjoyed the “light show” of the loco’s headlight playing games with the shadows of the night along with the assorted reflections of color bouncing off the rooflines of the cars before me. The signal lights changing, the illumination within the structures within view of the tracks and the occasional highway vehicle racing along in the night. Always captivates my interests …….

Tuesday morning, May 10th and the last leg of my “solo” rail trip would be coming to and end this day. The day began a bit on the overcast side, no rain, just somewhat gloomy. Up at 6:30 AM Atlantic Daylight Savings Time, and directly to the Park car dome. A couple of “shots” of juice, coffee and cookies (purchased at one of the shops within Montreal’s Central Station), provided me with the “start” I needed. “Joanne” was provided with her remuneration in the form of a new cookie supply for being so kind to me the day before.] More than one passenger asked about the “Continental breakfast,” only to be told it no longer is offered (as explained in one of my previous trip reports.) Unfortunately, it appears VIA Rail didn’t do a good job in keeping the passengers informed, especially those accustomed to this particular feature.

Breakfast in the dining car was enjoyable, as always. Several people were commenting aloud with regard to the “missing” continental breakfast in the Park Car’s bullet lounge. It appears that good public relations was not enhanced by this move.

At Campbellton, New Brunswick – about a 15 minute stop - two VIA Rail engineers boarded the train as passenger. They were operating Train #15 on Monday night heading towards Montreal when, according to the senior Engineer, a woman apparently committed suicide right in front of their locomotive. A 42 year old woman stopped her vehicle on the tracks at Nigadoo, NB and waited for the train to hit her. The Engineers were taken off the train for return to Moncton on our train, somewhat somber to say the least.. Needless to say, she died at the scene.

If you’ve never witnessed the scenery in that part of New Brunswick, I find it to be worth the view. Lots of water – the Bay of Chaleur, rivers, inlets and lots of wooded areas, punctuated by a building or three now and then. Stopping at Miramichi, at Miramichi Bay, always perks my interests too. Formerly, Newcastle, the name change apparently was attributable to the mergers of several communities into what it is today. Anyway, for the duration of the stop, there always seems to be lots to look at.

Arriving at Moncton, NB at 11:45 AM, it was time to stretch the aging legs, take some photo’s (again!) and just enjoy what looked like would be turning into a blue skies day after all.

The best part of the trip, insofar as my choice in scenery was yet to come. Passing through Sackville, NB with the Bay of Fundy to the right, the prison to the left and then the historic Sackville Station to the right brought back many fond memories. Sackville happens to be the home of a good friend of mine and at least annually, I try to visit with him on a “turn around’ VIA Rail trip from Montreal. There’s about a 4 hour opportunity for a get together, then the westbound pulls in – thereby giving me a “two nighter” on the train, coupled with a brief reunion with my friend. Works well every time!

Next stop was Amherst, NB – first station stop in Nova Scotia. That is followed by Springhill Junction (flag stop) and I always look for Anne Murray – but somehow our schedules just don’t ever coincide!

Traveling eastward to Truro, the scenery is simply beautiful as the train takes to the ridge line of the mountains (“hills” to those of you in western provinces and states!). On this day, Train #15 passed us on the right, an all Renaissance consist heading to Montreal. From Truro to Halifax, nothing but blue skies and signs of lots of flooding from the torrential rains of recent days past.

Passing by “Mom’s” house at Bedford Basin, my wife and mother-in-law were on the front porch, waving as the Park car zoomed by. Another picture taken and another “signal” given to fire up the Buick for the trip to the station in order to pick me up. Works every time!

So, that’s about it. Leg #3 of my 4 part VIA Rail adventure came to an end at 4:45 PM ADST – 25 minutes late – but once again, as far as I’m concerned – on time!

To be continued ……….


See y’all later! [tup] [;)]

Tom (Siberianmo)
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:42 PM
Hi folks, I sneaked back to "take up the slack" on this Thursday's "Daily Mail/Express." Tom, just a quick cuppa Joe for now please. I must be driving and ,well, you now the rest...[:O] Hi CM3, we missed ya hereabouts and it is always a pleasure to greet your return. A retread on some of your outstanding prose on the N. H. and B. M. might just catch a few "newbies" and certrainly they would be a fine reread for us "old timers."[^] Gald to hear all went so well with your "getaway." I could never really "get a handle" on Cleveland, OH. It just seemed like another over grown Lake Erie town wihtout much to recommend it in architecture or cosmopolitan ambience. To be fair, it has been years since I rounded "dead man's curve" and that city does has one of the finest Symphony Orchestras, world-wide. When things fall back into place, I know we all will be awaiting your personalized report in depth.[tup] WOW! What a difference a month or two can make in revisiting so many excellent topics, e.g. Pullman, B & O, S.P., the "near side cars" and a plethora of related material. Just "shows to go you" that even in needy times, "Our" Place has a depth to draw on unmatched any where else. Can you imagine going back over the hackneyed, insincere rubbish from so many other "popular" threads? [#oops] I shouldn't be too boastful; it just "slipped out."[V]

I imagine Wolfman has managed a tipple or three among some old blokes in and around Rugby, England. He will definately not miss the premature summer temps and humidity on offer now. Hopefully, the "Book Ends" are well into their respite from the trials and tribulations of the ordinary "grind." I hope they know that our best wishes go with them. Barndad, your situation is hardly one I would envy. This is tantamount to a whole "change of life," which can take a horrific toll on time and resilience. Egad, I still ponder the irony of that speeding passenger train "taking out" a Pickle factory. If it weren't for the tragic loss of life, there could be a dark humor side to the story. Well " Tom, yes there is plenty of cyber threat "out there" and it "floors me" that the V.A. people in Washington are so cavalier about the gravity of this "bone headed" disaster. To think what expense and trouble we all go through to maintain a degree of privacy and personal security and then, some off -the -street, "wet behind the ears" punk gratuitously "blows the lid off" every shred of data needed to put over a quarter of a million servicemen and women plus their survivors into a "free for all." Likewise, I have put my [2c] in for the "circular file" at all levels. Sorry if I went [#offtopic] but I fell better now for having done it. Well, "I saw me duty and done it" (Popeye, circa 1930's on). Hope to drop by more often and am wrangling my schedule to that end. So long for now.
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Posted by West Coast S on Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:45 PM
Afternoon Tom and all present..Tom you have a message awiting you.

Light ale only, got the duty for the next four days, no Fed holiday for me, what I do to grab that elusive brass ring!!! Seems the boss is out on medical yet again, so I am currently in charge!! God, help those impacted by my meagar contribution to my small portion of the Government i'm responsible for!!!

Trolley Boy,
glad you appreciated the SD story, i'm surpried the Canadian roads didn't embrace the design, seems like a natural as they had similar operating challenges.

Howdy to Wanswheel, CM3 & Theordorebear, opps, Al been been here of late as well, Tom keep the Encores coming, they are much appreciated. When time later toady permits, i'll dig one up from my past.

Until later

Dave
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:16 PM
G'day!

And a fine day it is turning out to be . . . the return of CM3 AND West Coast S AND a "double" from Theodorebear!! [yeah] [tup]

Dave Email received and responded to . . . THANX! [tup]

Ted Continuing on with the VA situation - that's more like 26 million-plus, not a quarter of a million. And yes, you are so correct with your probable assessment of the kind of person who will make this all look like warmed over cereal. It's up to US to ensure that GOVERNMENT knows how we feel and what they MUST do - it's not an option. They caused it - they must remedy it.

It's gratifying to see you guys today and I surely appreciate your support in keeping "Our" Place up 'n running! [tup] Ted hit it on the head once again with his comments on finding it difficult to accept that any other Thread could muster up so much quality material for repeat-Posting as we do. There is a wealth of RR-related info within these pages of ours and so many of you have made such fine contributions that it seems appropriate to ENCORE! them from time to time . . .

No Fed Holiday for you, Dave - well, someone has to guard to store! [swg] I've never quite accepted the Monday holiday "thing," although who doesn't appreciate 3-day weekends [?] Being a "traditionalist," I simply prefer to recognize the day ON the day, if you know whutImean. So, here's the way to approach it - have it BOTH ways! [swg] Why not [?] I mean if those people in Congress can, why can't we[?] Okay, okay - Boris stop following me around with that bell - ring it! <geesh>

Okay, Gents - back to the rigors of retirement! [swg]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:41 PM
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first Posted on page 212

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #55

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the The Pullman Company from a 1946 advertisement in my personal collection.



1 Pick the place you want to go and write for reservations. When you get word there’s room for you, see your railroad ticket agent and . . .

2 Reserve Pullman space for a trouble-free trip that will get you there safely – in more comfort than you’ll get going any other way!

How to start on your vacation

WITHOUT A WORRY IN THE WORLD

3 No worry about weather, roads or mountains in an all-steel Pullman car. Pullman’s been the safest way of going places fast for more than 80 years!

4 No worry about privacy or sleep. Your air-conditioned Pullman space is all your own, with big, comfortable beds it’s a joy to stretch out in!

WHEN YOU GO ON YOUR VACATION

GO PULLMAN

THE SAFEST, MOST COMFORTABLE WAY OF GOING PLACES FAST!


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]


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Posted by West Coast S on Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:06 PM
Note to self, activiate spell check or don't wear my glasses backwards!!

Hello once again Tom

I am in complete agreement on the wealth and content presented at "Our Place". There is too much garbage out there indeed, often by self proclaimed experts who pretend to have a clue regarding whatever subject they are discussing, most often they are also "I know everything about everything" types as well.

That's the reason I don't, and won't ever again, belong to any organized model RR clubs, to much snobbery i've experienced among these groups, let's all be sheep as they say....

"Our Place" is a refreshing change from the usual order of business here in cyber world, doesn't matter our background, location, age, or primary interest. We all share a common bond in the sharing and perserving of our knowledge into a collective format about a time in that will never be again.

Enjoy that rough retirement Tom, gotta check your message , catch you in the AM.

Ok, tell me Boris is not playing with matches!!!!

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Posted by wanswheel on Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:11 PM
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.

It seems it was a matter of routine for that VA analyst to take the files home, he had been doing so without incident for 3 years.

One highlight of my dull life was going to Carnegie Hall to see and hear Johnny Cash in 1994.
Tom, In addition to the published lyrics I recall a line that goes something like,
"It's a '49, '50, '51, '52, '53, '54, '55 automobile..."
http://www.irs.princeton.edu/PhotoArchive/scan06a.jpg

Northern Pacific halibut for Fish & Chips night
http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/110.jpg

Pullman ads from the 1940s probably load too slow for dial-up

Broadway Limited http://www.eliillinois.org/30108_87/main/abbroadwaylimited.tif.jpg

20th Century Limited http://www.eliillinois.org/30108_87/main/ap20thcentruylimited.jpg

New Haven http://www.eliillinois.org/30108_87/main/abthenewhaven.jpg

Union Pacific http://www.eliillinois.org/30108_87/main/abwhoswhoinstreamlining.jpg

See America http://www.eliillinois.org/30108_87/main/abseeamericabigad.jpg

Purple Heart Limited http://www.eliillinois.org/30108_87/main/fhbadpurpleheartlimited.jpg

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Posted by West Coast S on Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:36 PM
Hello Wanswheel,
I believe that Cash song you refer to is "I got it one piece at a time" about a Detroit assembly line worker who smuggled parts out one by one in his lunchbox to build himself a no cost automobile in his backyard without the knowledge or consent of his employer. They don't write them like that anymore!!

It's been well over 25 years since i've heard it on the radio or found it available in any media , maybe one of the reissue CDs will see fit to included it .

Can't vouch for how the VA conducts themself, actions speak louder then words as has been proven once again by the extensive coverage of incident, but , if I took a file home from my department I would be doing time in a Federal Prison.

Ok Tom, close to bedtime for you retired folks!!!!

Dave
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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:13 PM
Good Afternoon Tom, and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Nice to see Dave, Rob, Art and Mike picking up the slack.

Since one of the subjects of the day was Pullman I thought it would be nice to mention those all Pullman owned and operated trains they were among some of the finest ever.

ARIZONA LIMITED, FORTY NINER and TREASURE ISLAND SPECIAL are the three that come immediatly to mind.

PULLMAN
Streamlined Observations
by Al

In May 1933 Pullman Standard delivered to Pullman one 28 seat Coach Buffet 12 seat Dinette 10 seat Lounge Observation car constructed of Aluminum and riveted together. This car was never assigned a name and was displayed at the 1933 Chicago World's Fair. The car featured a rather odd tapered round Observation end never repeated on any other car. At the observation end was a pair of clamshell doors. The unnumbered car ran on experimental Aluminum trucks never repeated. The car was leased to the Union Pacific between October 1936 and March 1938 and painted in the UP yellow and brown with gold leaf lettering. The car carried the name CITY OF CHEYENNE on its flanks and was operated between Denver and Cheyenne. Apparently the car was extremely rough riding and at the end of the lease returned to Pullman where it was stored in Chicago. It is believed the car was scrapped for its Aluminum content sometime during WWII probably 1943.

28 REVENUE SEAT COACH BUFFET 12 SEAT DINETTE 10 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Sloping Round) Pullman Standard May 1933 (Built for display at 1933 Chicago World's Fair)

CITY OF CHEYENNE

The other Observation delivered by Pullman Standard to Pullman in May 1933 was also displayed at the 1933 Chicago World's Fair. This car named GEORGE M. PULLMAN for the founder of the Company that bore his name. The interior of the Aluminum car featured 3 Double Bedrooms 1 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Buffet 8 seat Dinette 12 seat Lounge 8 seat Lounge Observation. The Observation end of the car featured a rounded end with a single center door. The car was delivered in its natural Aluminum finish with no skirting and fixed vestibule-boarding steps. The car as delivered ran on experimental 4-wheel trucks.
After operating on the rear of several trains for short periods the car was returned to Pullman where it was shopped in November 1937. At that time the car had side skirting installed, standard six wheel trucks replaced the experimental 4-wheel trucks the car had been delivered with. At the same time the car received a full width diaphragm at the vestibule end of the car. New retractable folding steps were installed in the vestibule. The car was painted in Pullman's standard two-tone gray paint scheme at that time as well.
The first major assignment for the GEORGE M. PULLMAN after the rework was to one of the Santa Fe CHIEF consists between February, 1938 and July 1938. The reason for this was one of the CHIEF Sleeper Lounge Observations was assigned to operate in the second SUPER CHIEF consist for the same period until Pullman Standard delivered the new SUPER CHIEF sleeper Lounge Observation.
The next assignment for the GEORGE M. PULLMAN was to the TREASURE ISLAND SPECIAL for both seasons of its operation between May 22, 1939 - August 21, 1939 and between June 22, 1940 - September 16, 1940. For both seasons of this trains operation the GEORGE M. PULLMAN brought up the markers. In its first season the sleeping cars were all streamlined heavyweights and in the TREASURE ISLAND SPECIALS second season all sleeping cars were lightweights.
Beginning August 23, 1939 the GEORGE M. PULLMAN was assigned to the temporary replacement CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO after the original train was wrecked. The GEORGE M. PULLMAN was withdrawn when the CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO regular Observation SF-901 returned in May 1940 from repairs.
Following WW II the GEORGE M. PULLMAN returned to the Santa Fe where it once again brought up the markers of one of the CHIEF consists between February 1947 and November 1950. Again the CHIEF had to give up one of its regularly assigned Sleeper Lounge Observations to the new daily SUPER CHIEF until a final SUPER CHIEF VISTA series car was delivered to the Santa Fe in November 1950.
After that the car returned to Pullman Chicago.
In October 1952 the GEORGE M. PULLMAN was sold to the Chicago Great Western for Business car use. It is known the car was used in charter service by the CGW bringing customers from Minneapolis to Omaha and on at least one occasion the car was seen in Kansas City. For most of its time on the CGW it sat at Oelwein, Iowa the roads main shops. In September 1964 the car was transferred to Omaha where it was cut up for scrap.

3 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 8 SEAT DINETTE 12 SEAT LOUNGE 7 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Round) Pullman Standard Plan: 4028 Lot: 6400 (Built for and assigned to Pullman lease fleet)

GEORGE M. PULLMAN

The next Pullman owned streamlined Observation was actually a pair of articulated cars. The first of the articulated pair was a 14 single room 2 double Bedroom articulated sleeping car named ADVANCE. The ADVANCE"S articulated running mate was the PROGRESS a 3 Double Bedroom 1 Compartment Buffet 19 seat Lounge 10 seat Lounge Observation. The pair delivered to Pullman-by-Pullman Standard in August 1936.
For their first regular assignment beginning in June 1937 the cars were renamed and painted in the Pullman two tone Gray scheme. The new names they would carry for the rest of their operational lives were as follows.

BEAR FLAG originally ADVANCE
CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC originally PROGRESS

They were than assigned to the FORTY-NINER between Chicago and San Francisco running opposite the CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO. The FORTY NINER began service July 8, 1937 and was discontinued July 26, 1941replaced by a second CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO train set.
Next regular assignment for the articulated pair was to one of the two ARIZONA LIMITED consists for the second and final season this train operated between Chicago and Phoenix. This seasonal train operated from December 1941 to April 1942 its second and final season.
Next regular assignment for the pair was in 1950 as temporary wreck replacement for a CITY OF LOS ANGELES observation.
Finally in August 1956 the articulated pair were retired and scrapped by Pullman.

ARTICULATED 14 DUPLEX SINGLE ROOM 2 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard August 1936 Plan: 4050 Lot: 6478 (Built for and assigned to Pullman Pool)

ADVANCE
Later renamed
BEAR FLAG

ARTICULATED 3 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT BUFFET 19 SEAT LOUNGE 10 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Swallow - Tailed)
Pullman Standard August 1936 Plan: 4051A Lot: 6478 (Built for and assigned to Pullman Pool)

PROGRESS
Later renamed CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC

Pullman Standard next delivered AMERICAN MILEMASTER to Pullman in time for the New York World's Fair of 1939. Pullman Standard completed the car in April 1939 and immediately readied it for the fair. This car had an interior that featured 2 Double Bedrooms 1 Compartment 1 drawing Room Buffet 19 seat Lounge 8 seat Lounge Observation.
First regular assignment for AMERICAN MILEMASTER after the fair was to one of the two consists of the All Pullman All Room Winter only ARIZONA LIMITED train sets between Chicago and Tucson-Phoenix. The AMERICAN MILEMASTER only operated in the ARIZONA LIMITED its first winter of operation. In September 1941 the AMERICAN MILEMASTER was transferred to the Southern Pacific for operation in one of the LARK consists after that trains nearly identical Observation 400 was wrecked. In December 1941 AMERICAN MILEMASTER became SP 2nd 400. It remained in SP service for the rest of its operational service life.

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 19 SEAT LOUNGE 8 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Swallow - Tailed Pullman Standard April 1939 Plan: 4082 Lot: 6597 (Built for and assigned to Pullman Pool)

AMERICAN MILEMASTER

A twin to AMERICAN MILEMASTER was constructed by Pullman Standard in June 1940 and named MUSKINGUM RIVER. The only difference being that MUSKINGGUM RIVER used stainless steel in its construction.
The MUSKINGUM RIVER was assigned to one consist of the ARIZONA LIMITED for both the 1940 - 41 winter season and 1941 - 42 winter season.
As soon as the second and final season of the ARIZONA LIMITED was completed the MUSKINGUM RIVER joined its twin the former AMERICAN MILEMASTER operating on the rear of the other LARK consist after SP Observation 401 was wrecked and scrapped. In June 1943 MUSKINGUM RIVER was numbered SP 2nd 401.

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM! COMPARTMENT 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 19 SEAT LOUNGE 8 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Swallow - Tailed Pullman Standard June 1940 Plan: 4082 Lot: 6608 (Built for and assigned to Pullman Pool)

MUSKINGUM RIVER

The last Pullman owned streamlined Observation was the Dome Lounge Observation built for the 1947 GM TRAIN OF TOMORROW. Each of the TRAIN OF TOMORROW'S four cars was an Astra Dome. Their was a Dome Coach, Dome Dining Car, Dome Sleeping Car and the Dome Lounge Observation. The cars were finished in Cor-Ten steel with fluted stainless panels below the windows and the letter board. Each cars was named with the Astra Dome Lounge Observation receiving the name MOON GLOW. Interior of the MOON GLOW featured 24 seats in the Dome. On the main level of the car the forward section ahead of the dome was 13 seat Lounge. Below the Dome was a 10 seat Lounge area and the cars Bar. In a small private nook behind the stairs to the dome was a desk with one chair. The rear Observation end of the main floor featured another Lounge area with seating for 21. The rear of the Observation was rounded with an emergency door centered in the rear.
In September 1950 the entire TRAIN OF TOMORROW was purchased by the UP and after repainting in Omaha the cars were assigned to UP trains 457 and 458 operating between Portland and Seattle round trip daily.
After being rebuilt for mid-train operation in 1959 the 9015 as the MOON GLOW was numbered operated in one of the CITY OF DENVER train sets.
All four cars were retired in the early 1960's by the UP and sold to a scrapper in Pocatello, Idaho.
Fortunately the former MOON GLOW was rescued from the scrap pile by a Railroad Historical Society group out of Ogden, Utah. It is hoped the car will be rebuilt to a Dome Lounge Car when funds are available.

24 SEAT ASTRA DOME 44 SEAT BUFFET LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Round) Pullman Standard May 1947 (Built for and assigned to GM TRAIN OF TOMORROW)

MOON GLOW

TTFN Al

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