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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, May 22, 2006 7:00 AM

ENCORE! Courtesy: www.viarail.ca


We open at 6 AM. (All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


MONDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


Monday once again! Join us for some fine pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery – a selection from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast – and a cuppa Joe![tup]


Daily Wisdom


A man who keeps his eyes on the horizon like he’s expectin’ the sheriff to budge up on him has more on his mind than seein’ the sights.



Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear –
ENCORE: Baltimore & Ohio (B&O) -
Arrives Tuesday!



* Weekly Calendar:


Wednesday: Toy & Model Trains Day!
Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday

SATURDAY, May 27th is West Coast S Dave’s B’day Bash! –
Scheduled for NOON to 4 PM (Pacific) – 3 to 7 PM (Eastern)



MVP Award Winners


April 2006 . . . LoveDome Lars



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Comedy Corner

Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)


[:I] An old Indian goes to court to change his name.
Judge: I see your name is Joe Crapface. Is that correct?
Indian: Yes sir.
Judge: I certainly see why you would like to change it. So what name would you like to change to?
Indian: Fred Crapface
Judge: Fred Crapface?
Indian: Yeah. Me no can take it anymore. All the time people say to me, "Hello Joe. What you know." It drive me crazy! [:I]


[:I] Guido, the Mafia Hitman discovers that his accountant has been embezzling money from him. The accountant, who happens to be deaf, has stolen over $10 million dollars. Guido goes to the accountant's office with his lawyer in tow. His lawyer can read sign language.
Guido asks the accountant, "Where is the $10 million dollars you have stolen from me?"
The account signs back, and the lawyer interprets, "I don't have your money."
Guido pulls out a .357 magnum and points it at the accountant's head and again demands to know where his money is. The accountant begins to sign frantically, "OK! OK! Don't kill me! It's in a suitcase that I buried in my back yard behind the garage next to my tomato plants!!"
Guido asks his lawyer, "Well, what did he say?"
The Lawyer says, "I don't think you have the stones to pull the trigger!" [:I]
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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre


NOW SHOWING:

Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, May 21st thru May 27th: The Pink Panther (1964) starring: Peter Sellers, David Niven & Capucine –and- The Odd Couple (1968) starring: Jack Lemon & Walter Mathau. SHORT: Pop Goes the Easel (1935).

COMING ATTRACTIONS:

. . . Sunday, May 28th thru June 2nd: Patton (1970) starring: George C. Scott & Karl Malden –and- The Eagle Has Landed (1977) starring Michael Caine, Robert Duvall & Donald Sutherland. SHORT: Uncivil Warriors (1935).



SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 May 2006, 06:44:07 (337) Sunday’s Info & 20-Post Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 21 May 2006, 07:01:09 (337) 4 Pix, narrative & joke!

(3) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 May 2006, 07:48:30 (337) 4 Pix!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 May 2006, 07:49:18 (337) Now Playing at the Emporium!

(5) pwolfe Pete Posted: 21 May 2006, 07:58:34 (337) 5 Pix w/descriptions!

(6) pwolfe Pete Posted: 21 May 2006, 09:14:19 (338) Pix comments

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 May 2006, 12:48:52 (338) 9 Rendezvous Pix!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 May 2006, 13:54:11 (338) 9 Rendezvous Pix!

(9) wanswheel Mike Posted: 21 May 2006, 17:04:25 (338) 11 Pix!

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 May 2006, 19:34:07 (338) 8 Rendezvous Pix!

(11) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 21 May 2006, 19:58:18 (338) Comments

(12) pwolfe Pete Posted: 21 May 2006, 20:53:46 (338) Comments, adieu & Pix!



That’s it![tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, May 22, 2006 7:31 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a Coffee and a Crumpet from the Mentor Bakery.

Enjoyed Sunday Photo day especially all of those that pertain to the trip I missed. Glad evryone had a great time and sorry I missed it.

Have been a little under the weather the last couple of days but got up feeling much better this AM.

Don't want you to think I would forget the B&O.

BALTIMORE
&
OHIO
Streamlined Coaches
by Al

The B&O was one of the earliest pioneers of streamlining with the experimental ADAMS WINDSPLITTER of 1900. This train was rebuilt from heavyweight cars of the era in the Baltimore and Ohio’s own St. Clare shops in Baltimore. The Baggage, four Coaches and enclosed Observation car were about thirty years ahead of their time. At the turn of the century the idea of streamlining and the high speeds it implied were commendable they were anything but practical given the state of steam power and most railroads roadbed at that time. Although this pioneer attempt at streamlining was quite successful no other railroads of the period showed any interest and after about a year the cars were quietly stripped of their streamlining and returned to commuter service between Baltimore and Washington.
It would take the Great Depression to reawaken interest in the streamliner concept on the B&O and other roads. The B&O would order two streamlined consists from American Car & Foundry in 1934 for 1935 delivery. One eight car consist was built for service on B&O subsidiary Alton operating a daily Chicago – St. Louis round trip and named the ABRAHAM LINCOLN. This train was completed in April 1935 and inaugurated streamlined ABRAHAM LINCOLN service July 1, 1935. This train was constructed of Cor-Ten steel and was referred to as the steel train by Railroad historians. The ABRAHAM LINCOLN cars were lightweights and the one thing that detracted from their streamlined appearance was the use of rivets in the construction of the cars. The Maroon and Red paint scheme with Yellow separation stripes and lettering was among the most attractive of the streamline era. This consist was train lined in the following order:

5751 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

5803 64 Revenue seat Coach

5804 64 Revenue seat Coach

5805 64 Revenue seat Coach

5701 9 seat Lunch Counter 32 seat Dining Car

5932 24 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room

5933 24 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room

5999 18 Revenue seat Parlor with 15 seat Lounge Observation

64 REVENUE SEAT COACHES American Car & Foundry April, 1935 (Built for and assigned to ABRAHAM LINCOLN)

5803 – 5805

The Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car 5751 was rebuilt to a Baggage 44 Revenue seat Coach Combination in November 1936 with no change of number.
The changes to the above consist that affected coach passengers were the rebuilding of 64 revenue seat Coach 5803 into a Buffet Lounge Car in April 1937 with no revenue seating.
The entire train became Gulf Mobile and Ohio property with the purchase from B&O of the Alton effective May 31, 1947 with no changes of car numbers or paint scheme. The cars were simply lettered for the Gulf Mobile & Ohio replacing the former Alton name in the letter boards.
The second B&O consist of 1935 was delivered in June 1935 for service as the ROYAL BLUE between Jersey City and Washington D.C. round trip daily. The cars for the ROYAL BLUE were constructed of Aluminum with a steel center sill running the length of the cars. This train is referred to as the Aluminum train by Railroad historians and the weight of this train compared to the steel train was nearly identical. Not sure about the structural strength of Aluminum the cars sheeting was much thicker than really necessary so any weight savings was never realized. The two trains built of different materials were constructed to see how each would stand up to rail use. Both trains lasted until 1968 when they were finally retired so it would have to be said it was a draw as to which type of material was better. A comparison of maintenance costs for the two different car types bears this out. The consist of the ROYAL BLUE follows:

5750 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

5800 64 Revenue seat Coach

5801 64 Revenue seat Coach

5802 64 Revenue seat Coach

5700 9 seat Lunch Counter 32 seat Dining Car

5930 24 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room

5931 24 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room

5998 18 Revenue seat Parlor 15 seat Lounge Observation

Almost immediately the B&O began making changes to the ROYAL BLUE train set. The first change to occur was the rebuilding of 64-revenue seat Coach 6400 into a Buffet Lounge Car without revenue seating and no change of number in July 1935. One year later in July 1936 the Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car 5750 was rebuilt to a Baggage 44 Revenue seat Coach Combination retaining its original number. The B&O St. Clare shops in Baltimore constructed a new 60 revenue seat Coach for the ROYAL BLUE and numbered this car 5806 in January 1937. In July, 1937 the nine car ROYAL BLUE train was transferred to B&O subsidiary Alton and repainted in the Red and Maroon color scheme and became the new ABRAHAM LINCOLN at that time operating a round trip daily service between Chicago and St. Louis. The original ABRAHAM LINCOLN consist was renamed ANN RUTLEDGE and continued operating a second daily Chicago - St. Louis round trip daily. In March 1942 Baggage Coach Combination 5750 was shopped and rebuilt to a 60 Revenue seat Coach and was renumbered 5807 at that time. This consist became Gulf Mobile and Ohio property with the merger of the Alton into the G&MO on May 31, 1947.

64 REVENUE SEAT COACHES American Car & Foundry June, 1935 (Built for and assigned to ROYAL BLUE transferred to Alton in 1937 becoming ABRAHAM LINCOLN cars)

5800 – 5802

60 REVENUE SEAT COACH Baltimore & Ohio St. Clare Shops January 1937 (Built for and assigned to ROYAL BLUE reassigned to ABRAHAM LINCOLN in July, 1937)

5806

The B&O turned to there own St. Clare shops in Baltimore for their next two streamlined trains. The first of these to enter service was a new ROYAL BLUE on April 25, 1937 replacing the lightweight streamlined train from American Car & Foundry. The new ROYAL BLUE was nothing more than a group of heavyweight cars streamlined in the roads own shops. The cars were given streamlined roofs with squared ends, side skirting below the car sides to hide the under floor equipment. The cars were given full width diaphragms as well. Interiors of these cars were modernized at the same time. The consist of this ROYAL BLUE follows the number in parenthesis is the heavyweight car number they were rebuilt from:

1300 Baggage 36 Revenue seat Coach Combination (1432)

3520 68 Revenue seat Coach (5299)

3511 54 Revenue seat Coach (5328)

3512 54 Revenue seat Coach (5329)

3065 52 Revenue seat Buffet Coach (5326)

1075 10 seat Lunch Counter 32 seat Dining Car (1051)

2110 26 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room (5327)

3300 Buffet Solarium Observation (5325)

This train became the COLUMBIAN on December 9, 1937 operating a daily round trip between Jersey City and Washington when it was replaced by a new streamlined heavyweight consist that became the new ROYAL BLUE on that date. The ROYAL BLUE consist of December, 1937 was nearly identical to the April 1937 train now named the COLUMBIAN. The consist of the December, 1937 ROYAL BLUE was as follows the numbers appearing in parenthesis are the car numbers they were streamlined from:

1301 Baggage 36 Revenue seat Coach Combination (1434)

3521 68 Revenue seat Coach (5293)

3513 54 Revenue seat Coach (5291)

3514 54 Revenue seat Coach (5292)

3066 52 Revenue seat Coach with 7 seat Lunch Counter Car (5295)

1076 44 Revenue seat Coach (1054)

2111 26 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room (5296)

3301 Buffet Solarium Observation (5298)

The COLUMBIAN was temporarily replaced by a heavyweight train in November, 1941 while the heavyweight cars of the streamlined consist and some additional cars were rebuilt and streamlined for a second consist of the COLUMBIAN. The COLUMBIAN when it reentered service was a new Coach streamliner operating overnight between Baltimore – Washington and Chicago. Those cars in the original COLUMBIAN consist to receive modifications were 1300 the Baggage 36 revenue seat Coach rebuilt to a Baggage 12 crew Dormitory, Buffet 16 seat Lounge Car renumbered 1306. The two 54-revenue seat Coaches 3511 and 3512 were renumbered 3562 and 3563. The 68 Revenue seat Coach 3520 was remodeled to a 54 revenue seat Coach and renumbered 3564. Cars 3065 the 52 Revenue seat Buffet Coach and 2110 the 26 seat Parlor Car with 5 seat parlor Drawing Room were both rebuilt to 46 revenue seat Coaches with a train stewardess room receiving new numbers 3570 and 3571 respectively. Lunch Counter Dining Car 1075 was shopped and rebuilt to a 47 seat Dining Car and renumbered 1082. The 3300 was renumbered 3303 with no apparent changes taking place to the cars interior. In addition to the above changes the following cars were shopped, remodeled and in some cases rebuilt and all were streamlined for service in a second COLUMBIAN consist. Streamlined 54 Revenue seat Coaches 3558 – 3561 were former heavyweight coaches 5310, 5312-5314 respectively. Newly remodeled 47 seat Dining car 1081 was the former 1050, and Buffet Solarium Observation 3301 was rebuilt and remodeled from 5234. The two streamlined consists were assigned to a new all Coach streamlined service operating between Jersey City and Chicago by way of Baltimore and Washington overnight in each direction. This new service retained the COLUMBIAN name and was inaugurated December 19, 1941 replacing the old Jersey City – Washington COLUMBIAN service. The B&O St. Clare shops had previously streamlined and remodeled eight heavyweight coaches into 54 revenue seat Coaches for service in the streamlined NATIONAL LIMITED in June, 1940. The former 5200 series cars 5244, 5246, 5253, 5256, 5263, 5267, 5287, and 5289 after rebuilding and streamlining were renumbered 3550 – 3557 respectively.
Following WW II the B&O would introduce a pair of five car coach streamliners for service between Baltimore and Cincinnati by way of Washington daily in each direction. These cars unlike previously rebuilt cars from the B&O St. Clare shops were fully streamlined the former heavyweight cars were stripped to the frame and rebuilt completely. Many felt these cars were as good as any cars built by the big three car builders AC&F, Budd or P/S. The quality of the workmanship was unquestioned but some of the interior décor was a little dated for that period. The new CINCINNATIANS entered service January 19, 1947 behind streamlined Presidential Pacific Locomotives painted to match the trailing train in the magnificent Blue and Gray scheme.

5301 PRESIDENT ADAMS 4-6-2 Streamlined Pacific & Tender

1307 EDEN PARK Baggage Crew Day Room Buffet 24 seat Lounge Car

3565 INDIAN HILL 60 revenue seat Coach

3572 OAKLEY 56 Revenue seat Coach with Stewardess Room

3567 COLLEGE HILL 60 Revenue seat Coach

3304 PEEBLES CORNER 24 seat Dining 18 seat Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

5302 PRESIDENT JEFFERSON 4-6-2 Streamlined Pacific & Tender

1308 HYDE PARK Baggage Crew Day Room Buffet 24 seat Lounge Car

3566 WINTON PLACE 60 Revenue seat Coach

3573 NORWOOD 56 Revenue seat Coach with Stewardess Room

3568 WALNUT HILLS 60 Revenue seat Coach

3305 FOUNTAIN SQUARE 24 seat Dining 18 seat Lounge Observation

BAGGAGE CREW DAY ROOM BUFFET 24 SEAT LOUNGE COMBINATION CARS B&O St. Clare Shops December, 1946 (Rebuilt and Streamlined for the CINCINNATIANS)

1307 EDEN PARK

1308 HYDE PARK

60 REVENUE SEAT COACHES B&O St. Clare Shops December 1946 (Rebuilt and Streamlined for the CINCINNATIANS)

3565 INDIAN HILL

3566 WINTON PLACE

3567 COLLEGE HILL

2568 WALNUT HILLS

56 REVENUE SEAT COACHES WITH STEWARDESS ROOM B&O St. Clare Shops December 1946 (Rebuilt and Streamlined for the CINCINNATIANS)

3572 OAKLEY

3573 NORWOOD

24 SEAT DINING 18 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS B&O St. Clare Shops December 1946 (Rebuilt and Streamlined for CINCINNATIANS)

3304 PEEBLES CORNERS

3305 FOUNTAIN SQUARE

Two 52 revenue seat streamlined Coaches 3574 AVONDALE and 3575 PRICE HILL were completed by St. Clare Shops in March, 1947 and replaced 60 Revenue seat Coaches 3567 COLLEGE HILL and 3568 WALNUT HILL in the CINCINNATIANS at that time.

52-REVENUE SEAT COACHES B&O St. Clare Shops March 1947 (Rebuilt and Streamlined for the CINCINNATIANS)

3574 AVONDALE

3575 PRICE HILL

The prewar COLUMBIAN consists received four rebuilt streamlined 42 revenue seat Coaches in June 1948 for each consist. These eight cars numbered 3576 – 3583 and a Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 24 seat Lounge Car were the last cars completely rebuilt by the B&O St. Clare Shops for streamlined passenger service.

42 REVENUE SEAT COACHES B&O St. Clare Shops June 1948 (Rebuilt and Streamlined for the COLUMBIANS)

3576 – 3583

Brand new COLUMBIAN consists were ordered from Pullman Standard for April, 1949 delivery and these two train sets have the distinction of being the only all new consists ever built for the B&O in the postwar period. These two eight car streamlined trains were two of the finest Coach Streamliners to ever enter service in the eastern United States. Although the pair were intended as a daytime operation between Chicago and Baltimore by way of Washington the two new trains entered overnight service May 5, 1949. The CINCINNATIAN was already a daylight operation over part of the same route and the B&O was none to happy with the bottom line produced by the CINCINNATIAN. As a matter of fact the CINCINNATIAN lost money every month it was in operation. The COLUMBIANS featured the first Dome Coaches to enter scheduled service between Chicago and Washington – Baltimore. These Pullman Standard built dome coaches gave passengers their first nighttime viewing of the passing countryside when the B&O installed two batteries of three locomotive headlights at the forward end of the dome coach’s roof. One in each three light battery was angled at 60 degrees from the cars centerline and the remaining two were installed at 80 degrees and 85 degrees. When one battery or the other was lit they afforded the passengers in the domes some magnificent night views. This lighting system was exclusive to the B&O and no other railroad that operated domes in overnight service provided a lighting system for their passengers. All cars in the new COLUMBIAN consists were both numbered and named. The B&O had been an EMC later EMD E unit buyer for passenger trains but with the COLUMBIANS purchased A-B-A sets of EMD F3 units. These units developed 1,500 hp each and ran on B trucks compared to the E unit A-1-A trucks. No reason was ever given for the COLUMBIAN being assigned F units instead of E units initially. The train entered service with just an A-B on the head end instead of the proposed A-B-A sets for power. The 3,000 hp developed by the two units were capable of maintaining schedule and even making up lost time when needed. The following are the two consists of the COLUMBIANS:

87A EMD F3A 1,500 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

87X EMD F3B 1,500 hp Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

1350 HARPERS FERRY Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 24 seat Coffee Shop Combination Car

5500 CONNELLSVILLE 56 Revenue seat Coach

5502 GARY 56 Revenue seat Coach

5550 HIGH DOME 42 Revenue seat Strata Dome Coach with 24 non-Revenue seats in Dome

1090 AKRON 38 seat Dining Car

5504 MARTINSBURG 56 Revenue seat Coach

5506 NEW CASTLE 56 Revenue seat Coach

3315 CHICAGO 27 seat Tavern Lounge Bar 26 seat Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

88A EMD F3A 1,500 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

88X EMD F3B 1,500 hp Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

1351 SILVER SPRING Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory 24 seat Coffee Shop Combination Car

5501 CUMBERLAND 56 Revenue seat Coach

5503 LA PAZ 56 Revenue seat Coach

5551 SKY DOME 42 Revenue seat Strata Dome Coach with 24 non-Revenue seats in Dome

1091 PITTSBURG 38 seat Dining Car

5505 McKEESPORT 56 Revenue seat Coach

5507 YOUNGSTOWN 56 Revenue seat Coach

3316 WASHINGTON 27 seat Tavern Lounge Bar 26 seat Lounge Observation

The CINCINNATIAN would have its route changed June 25, 1950 from a Baltimore – Cincinnati daylight schedule to a Detroit – Cincinnati daylight schedule where it would remain until Amtrak. On this new routing the train sets became successful almost from the beginning.
The COLUMBIAN had two major changes take place in 1958, first in February the COLUMBIANS received a 24 Single Room 8 Double Room Slumbercoach for each train set. These were the first Slumbercoaches to enter service in the eastern United States. The second change to occur to the COLUMBIAN in 1958 was it’s combining with the all Pullman CAPITOL LIMITED. The combined train then operated under the CAPITOL LIMITED name and the COLUMBIAN name was retired from B&O service. The CAPITOL LIMITED then became a Coach and Pullman Train operating between Baltimore and Chicago by way of Washington.

24 SINGLE ROOM 8 DOUBLE ROOM SLUMBERCOACHES Budd Company February, 1958 Plan: 9540 Lot: 9691 – 211 (Built for and assigned to COLUMBIANS)

7700 SLUMBERLAND

7701 DREAMLAND

The B&O would lease three additional Slumbercoaches beginning in May 1959 and the Missouri Pacific would lease a fourth beginning in September 1959. This made it possible for the B&O and MP to jointly offer through Slumbercoach service between Baltimore-Washington and San Antonio, Texas. The B&O NATIONAL LIMITED carried the through car from Baltimore to St. Louis and the MP TEXAS EAGLE beyond St. Louis to San Antonio. During the summer of 1959 the three B&O Slumbercoaches provided Baltimore – St. Louis service. With the fall schedule change and the delivery of MP Slumbercoach 699 SOUTHLAND the four cars began providing through daily service in each direction between Baltimore and San Antonio. Through Slumbercoach service ended in 1964 and the B&O returned the three Slumbercoaches they had leased to Budd. Budd in turn sold all three of the former B&O leased Slumbercoaches and later the MP Slumbercoach when it to was returned at the end of its lease to the Northern Pacific Railway.

24 SINGLE ROOM 8 DOUBLE ROOM SLUMBERCOACHES Budd Company May, 1959 (Built for and assigned to NATIONAL LIMITED later became through cars via TEXAS EAGLE to San Antonio)

7702 RESTLAND

7703 SLEEPLAND

7704 THRIFTLAND

TTFN Al
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, May 22, 2006 8:14 AM
Morning Gents!

Just a quickie to acknowledge the Pix Posting from Doug - Rob - Mike 'n Pete!! Very good spate of visuals and much appreciated. [tup] [tup] [tup]

A good morning to Ted 'n Al and a THANX for helping to begin the new week on the right foot! [swg]

We'll miss our friend, Wolfman for the next 4 or 5 weeks and things won't be quite the same. Also, without Lars - BK - CM3 'n Doug (both for most of this week) I'd say we're taking a hit at the bar. But as mentioned - we'll survive. [tup]

Appreciate the kind words regarding the Rendezvous Pix. I'm not really happy with my multi-zillion dollar digital camera (Sony) and haven't been. It's more me than the camera - actually I'm a 35mm kinda guy - too much to think about with digital. [swg] One day I'll "get the hang of it!" <grin>

Don't know when the next installment of Pix from me will take place. Much too time consuming and time seems to be running out of the hour glass rather quickly these days as our trip to Alaska approaches. We'll see . . . .

Did want to mention the Birthday Bash for West Coast S Dave this coming Saturday. He requested the Noon to 4 PM (Pacific) time slot ( 3 to 7 PM - Eastern). I'm very doubtful for that day - so I hope someone will step up to the plate for Dave.

Gotta run - things to do and people to see!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, May 22, 2006 12:15 PM
G'day Gents!

As forewarned - we are now officially in our doldrums with so many of our number away. Gonna be like this for awhile - and this time next week, I'm just about outta here too.

Been thinking that since there's really none of our guys reading this stuff - why waste original thoughts [?] So, here's an ENCORE! from last year . . . .

QUOTE: Posted by siberianmo
Posted: 16 May 2005, 13:07:37
Canadian Rail Journey, Part I (initially Posted on page 12)

The first leg of my Canadian rail journey began on May 5th aboard VIA Rail’s “Ocean” bound for Halifax, Nova Scotia. Departing Montreal’s Central Station at 6:30 PM, the 12 car consist of Budd stainless steel cars slowly made its way across the St. Lawrence Seaway by way of the Victoria Jubilee Bridge (a unique rail and highway structure with a turnout and separate span over part of the Seaway). Train #14 was powered by two F40PH’s, 6419 leading and 6418 trailing.

NOTE: Discussions regarding the existence catenaries at the Montreal Central Station have taken place over on "Canadian Passenger Railroads - Let's Talk!". There ARE catenaries to the left when approaching Place Bonaventure. Montreal's commuter trains - "AMT" - run their F40PH's to the right and the electrics to the left.

The train consist included a baggage car, three coaches, a Skyline dome car, a dining car, five Chateau series bedroom cars and a Park car (Revelstoke Park).

Over the years, prior to getting underway, my wife and I have made a habit of sitting in the dome of the Park car, simply to take in the sights and sounds of the lower level of Montreal’s Central Station. Montreal’s commuter trains, some electrified and others not, made frequent departures along with VIA Rail’s corridor trains (LRC and Renaissance). Before we realized it, the train effortlessly began to move forward. Soon, the daylight enveloped the train and our long awaited journey “home” began.

As has been our practice, we booked a double bedroom – “D” – in the Park car, which for those who may not know, is the double with the most floor space. Our attendant, Claude, is an old timer and very much into ensuring that his passenger’s needs are attended to promptly and courteously. I should add that he stocked an adequate supply of Mr. Alexander Keith’s fine Pale Ale from Halifax, thereby putting my mind at ease regarding that aspect of my rail pleasures.

With a fair sky and receding sun, our train picked up speed and before too long, Montreal’s skyline was but a series of bumps on the rear horizon. One more pale ale, then off to the dining car.

Generally we begin our evening meal at the Drummondville station stop – about an hour and one half from Montreal. This evening was no different. We noticed straight away that the menu had been trimmed quite a bit, with only two entrees offered and NO chowder listed. This was quite a surprise and we wondered aloud what had happened. The reply was along the lines that VIA Rail had decided to make several changes to Easterly Class and the dining car service, all designed to save them dollars. While that strategy makes no sense to me, apparently the “bean counters” think otherwise. I should note that the dining car was very crowded and we had about a 15 minute wait for a table.

I don’t think that a trip with VIA Rail has ever resulted in our not meeting someone new and this particular journey was no different. There’s just that little something – no – big something that fosters the atmosphere for conversations to begin. A couple of more train travelers have been added to the “list” of people with whom communications will be maintained. That’s just the way it is. Try that out on an airplane!

One of the treats to take advantage of aboard the “Ocean” is sitting in the Park Car’s dome. These domes accommodate 24 people and at times the seats are all full. I particularly like it when there’s no one else there, especially at night, as the sights of signal lights, illuminated structures and the loco’s headlight play games with the shadows of the night. If you have never experienced this, it may be a bit difficult to envision. Daylight affords the opportunity of viewing the full train from the rear along the roof lines. Night time gives yet another perspective. It’s all part of the ‘wonder’ of train travel and something that will be sorely missed once the Budd stainless steel cars give way to “Renaissance” and the “Euro” cars.

After breakfast in the dining car, we returned to the Park Car dome and remained there until our long stop at Moncton, NB. This is where the loco’s get refueled and other matters get attended to. Scheduled for a 20 minute stop, we were off and running in 10. The train was a bit behind in schedule.

The track along the route between Campbellton, NB and Moncton, NB was a bit on the rough side – square wheel effect. This is attributable to the New Brunswick East Coast railroad’s inability to maintain the track in the condition that CN had done over the years they owned it. A rough ride for those in the diner, for sure. CN routes their freights along a different right of way, thereby giving VIA Rail almost exclusive access to that length of track. We didn’t see one moving NBEC freight during the trip. Many of the cars and loco’s we did see still had CP or CP Rail markings showing beneath the freshly painted NBEC livery.

Perhaps the most scenic portion of the trip is between Amherst, NS and Truro, NS where the track is pretty much located on the ridge line of the mountains (hills to those of you from the west coast!). Just wonderful scenery and good track most of the way. The westbound “Ocean," Train #15 from Halifax, passed us on the left side as we approached Truro. Those “Renaissance” cars just don’t look “right” to me and it’s going to take some time to get used to seeing them. Anyway, my guess is that they were waiting for us in a passing siding, as we were running about 20 minutes behind schedule.

The run from Truro into Halifax takes about 90 minutes and on this particular Friday, it was true to form. Some very pretty countryside and lots of lakes to enjoy as the “Ocean” sped onward to our final stop. Approaching the town of Bedford (now part of the “new” greater Halifax) I snapped yet another photo of “Mom’s” house – situated between the tracks and the water of Bedford Basin. Each time we make this round trip, two more photo’s get added to the collection. One day, I’ll assemble them, put them into a collage arrangement, and ship ‘em off to “Mom.” It’s only been 15 years worth ……..

Hugging the shoreline of the Basin and Halifax Harbor (Harbour) the “Ocean” wound its way past container freights and assorted cars waiting for assembly into outbound trains. We arrived at the station about 20 minutes late – which as far as I’m concerned is on time. Off to the platform and picture taking, while my bride patiently waited, wondering, “Why does he do this every time?”

VIA Rail did it again – delivered us safe and happy to the beginning of what would turn out to be a wonderful week of trains, ships and a War Museum.

To be continued ……….


See y’all later! [tup]

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Posted by wanswheel on Monday, May 22, 2006 4:38 PM
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.

Pick a great railroad, any great railroad, and Al is at the ready.
A link to a picture of the B&O Royal Blue streamliner was here just the other day and here it is again.
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr4020_b&o_royalblue_1835_thomas_viaduct_jerseycity_nj1940.jpg

Rob, you guys up Toronto way sure have shiny transportation. The 4023 trolley looks brand new, yet totally classic at the same time. If it stops in the middle of the street, with a lane of automobile traffic
for passengers to have to watch out for, getting on or off the trolley is an adventure too, I bet.

Ted, the train documentaries on PBS get me watching. Saw a good one on The White Pass & Yukon. Nick is the one who is knowledgeable about the Ffestiniog Railway, with an extra "F" for effort, seems it's always uphill in West Wales.

Tom, there's thousands of railroad photographs on the Internet, and there will be thousands more. But there was only one William Henry Jackson (1843-1942), the photographer of the Union Pacific photos of yesterday, and a painter too. Took Greeley's advice and lived long.
http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/sontag/images/jackson.jpg
http://gallery.unl.edu/images/hayden/17-0299a.jpg U.S. Geological Survey 1870
http://www.cartermuseum.org/photo/Resources/Jackson_ChipetaFalls_Lg_P1971-94-23.jpg
http://rs6.loc.gov/pnp/wtc/4a00000/4a02000/4a02900/4a02960r.jpg Arabian Steamer
http://www.yellowstone-online.com/art.html
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, May 22, 2006 6:17 PM
G'day!

A ho-hum day here at the "Feast or Famine Bar 'n Grill!" But along came wanswheel Mike with a "pick us up" Post! [tup] Nice going . . . . that's what it is going to take - someone to step up to the plate during the periods of drought . . . .

Haven't seen Rob or Doug since 7ish yesterday morning. I know that today is Victoria Day in Canada - so that's a long weekend. And Doug had told me that he was going to have some extensive work done on his 'puter - which translates to "down time - big time."

Of course the Maple Leaf is flying alongside Old Glory at our Haus today! [swg]

Looks like there's more activity on "my other Thread" than here. Amazing!

REMINDER: Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)

Thanx for the round, Mike!

Later! [tup]

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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, May 22, 2006 8:16 PM
Good Evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Just thought I would mention i really appreciated all of the Toronto photos. The old Maple Leaf Gardens where I watched many a Maple Leaf game and took my daughter to the Ice Capades.

It's nice to see the city is just as clean as ever. I don't know of any other city its size in North America that is cleaner.

Now Tom you must be getting ready and anxious for your Alaska trip. I love Alaska and if I were a young man that is where I would be.

With so many regulars away it will be up to the few, the proud ,whops sounds like a recruiting poster.

Yesterday was a a very wet day here in Northern California and three Tour buses returning from Reno to San Francisco were involed in a multi vehicle accident and some sixty people were injured. All three buses were owned by Lucky Tours. The only ones lucky were those riding the buses not seriously hurt who had lost all of their money in Reno who will now get it from the lawsuits against the operator of the buses.

To bad they don't run the passenger trains between the Bay and Reno anymore they were an enjoyable way to cross the Sierras. They still operate the California Zephyr but it is booked weeks in advance.

It looks like the proposed High Speed Rail service in California is beginning to die a slow death as funding is not likely this year and may not even make it on the November ballot.

Ridership on all other trains operating in California is up dramatically so it is clearly needed. Each year the High Speed Rail is delayed the costs will increase by $700 million to $1 Billion it is estimated. To bad the people are so in love with the automobile in this land of freeways.

Enough of my rattleing and rambling this evening.

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, May 22, 2006 9:44 PM
Good Evening!

Leon I'll take a Keiths while I sit over here on my personal stool and watch the Cardinals and Giants on the large screen TV.

Nice having Al stop by - and a talkative visit at that, eh [?] [tup] Been awhile since we've had some conversation from our friend . . .

Yes, Toronto is a clean city - almost town-like in parts. Glad you enjoyed the Pix! As I mentioned some pages back, must've been a bittersweet thing for you to view those shots. Hope it won't be too long before you're back to full health and able to travel.

A week from tomorrow we should be in Anchorage and are very excited about the trip. Alaska was a place that I appreciated only after I had left. Being there as a young man - single and relatively poor - and of course in the service, was hardly the fun that I may have made it sound like. Nevertheless, I did manage to have "my moments" and the memories get better with age! Isn't that the way [?]

Take heart, Al high speed rail is right around the proverbial corner, especially as the fuel prices escalate.The costs are astronomical, but the day isn't that far away when necessity will override the love affair with automobiles.

You are absolutely correct about those remaining to step up in order to keep the bar operating. Yours is a good example of how to do it!

Boris ring the bell and give Al a double CR and let him keep the bag! [swg]

Later! [zzz]

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:10 AM

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The distressed owner wailed, "Are you sure?
"Yes, I am sure. The duck is dead," he replied.
"How can you be so sure," she protested. "I mean, you haven't done any testing on him or anything. He might just be in a coma or something."
The vet rolled his eyes, turned around and left the room. He returned a few moments later with a black Labrador Retriever. As the duck's owner looked on in amazement, the dog stood on his hind legs, put his front paws on the examination table and sniffed the duck from top to bottom. He then looked at the vet with sad eyes and shook his head.
The vet patted the dog and took it out, and returned a few moments later with a beautiful cat. The cat jumped up on the table and also sniffed delicately at the bird. The cat sat back on its haunches, shook its head, meowed softly and strolled out of the room.
The vet looked at the woman and said, "I'm sorry, but as I said, this is most definitely, 100% certifiably, a dead duck."
Then the vet turned to his computer terminal, hit a few keys and produced a bill which he handed to the woman.
The duck's owner, still in shock, took the bill. "$150!", she cried, "$150 just to tell me my duck is dead?!"
The vet shrugged. "I'm sorry. If you'd taken my word for it, the bill would have been $20, but what with the Lab Report and the Cat Scan ...." [:I]


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Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) wanswheel Mike Posted: 22 May 2006, 01:14:33 (338) Comments

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 22 May 2006, 05:59:31 (338) Bearman’s Gulf Coast Report!

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 May 2006, 07:00:23 (338) Monday’s Info & 12-Post Summary

(4) passengerfan Al Posted: 22 May 2006, 07:31:14 (338) Comments & B&O streamlined coaches

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 May 2006, 08:14:17 (338) Acknowledgments & Comments

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 May 2006, 12:15:28 (338) ENCORE: 2005 Canadian Rail Journey, Pt I

(7) wanswheel Mike Posted: 22 May 2006, 16:38:01 (338) Comments ‘n URLs

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 May 2006, 18:17:37 (338) Comments

(9) passengerfan Al Posted: 22 May 2006, 20:16:25 (338) Comments

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 May 2006, 21:44:52 (338) Comments




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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:28 AM
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first Posted on page 233


Now arriving on track #1 …..
Railroads from Yesteryear! Number One


Baltimore and Ohio Railroad (B&O)


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Locale: New York City, New York via Baltimore, Maryland to Chicago, Illinois and St. Louis, Missouri

Reporting marks: B&O

Dates of operation: 1830 – 1963

Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)


The Baltimore and Ohio Railroad (B&O) is one of the oldest railroads in the United States, with an original line from the port of Baltimore, Maryland west to the Ohio River at Wheeling, West Virginia and Parkersburg, West Virginia. It is now part of the CSX network, and includes the oldest operational railroad bridge in the world. The B&O also coincidentally included the Leiper Railroad, the first permanent railroad in the U.S.

The railroad's former shops in Baltimore, including the Mt. Clare roundhouse, now house the B&O Railroad Museum.

History

Chapter 123 of the 1826 Session Laws of Maryland, passed February 28, 1827, and the state of Virginia on March 8, 1827, chartered the Baltimore and Ohio Rail Road Company, with the task of building a railroad from the port of Baltimore, Maryland west to a suitable point on the Ohio River. The railroad, formally incorporated April 24, was intended to provide an alternative, faster, route for Midwestern goods to reach the East Coast than the seven-year-old, hugely successful, but slow Erie Canal across upstate New York.

Construction began on July 4, 1828, and the first section, from Baltimore west to Ellicott's Mills (now known as Ellicott City), opened on May 24, 1830. Further extensions opened to Frederick (including the short Frederick Branch) December 1, 1831, Point of Rocks April 2, 1832, Sandy Hook December 1, 1834 (the connection to the Winchester and Potomac Railroad at Harpers Ferry opening in 1837), Martinsburg May 1842, Hancock June 1842, Cumberland November 5, 1842, Piedmont July 21, 1851, Fairmont June 22, 1852 and its terminus at Wheeling, West Virginia (then part of Virginia) on January 1, 1853.

On July 20, 1877 there were bloody riots in Baltimore, Maryland from Baltimore and Ohio Railroad workers. Nine rail workers were killed at the hands of the Maryland militia. The next day workers in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania staged a sympathy strike that was also met with an assault by the state militia; Pittsburgh then erupted into widespread rioting.

The Pennsylvania Railroad acquired the Philadelphia, Wilmington and Baltimore Railroad in the early 1880s, cutting off the B&O's access to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The B&O chartered the Philadelphia Branch in Maryland and the Baltimore and Philadelphia Railroad in Delaware and Pennsylvania and built a parallel route, finished in 1886. The Baltimore Belt Railroad, opened in 1895, connected the main line to the Philadelphia Branch without the need for a car ferry across the Patapsco River, but the cost of its Howard Street Tunnel drove the B&O to bankruptcy in 1896.

The Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad took control of the B&O in 1963, and incorporated it, along with the Western Maryland Railway, into the Chessie System in 1973. In 1980, the Chessie System merged with the Seaboard System Railroad to create CSX. In 1986, the B&O finally went out of existence when it formally merged with the C&O (which itself formally merged with CSX later that same year). At the height or railroading's golden age, the B&O was one of several trunk lines uniting the northeast quadrant of the United States into an industrial zone. It marked the southern border and corresponded to the New York Central's marking of the northern border. The Pennsy and the Erie railroads worked the center. The corners of this map are Baltimore in the southeast, Albany in the northeast, Chicago in the northwest, and St. Louis in the southwest.

Early engineering

When construction began on the B&O in the 1820s, railroad engineering was in its infancy. Unsure of exactly which materials would suffice, the B&O erred on the side of sturdiness and built many of its early structures of granite. Even the track bed to which iron strap rail was affixed consisted of the stone.

Though the granite soon proved too unforgiving and expensive for track, most of the B&O's bridges have survived until the present, and many are still in active railroad use by CSX. Baltimore's Carrollton Viaduct, named in honor of Charles Carroll of Carrollton, is North America's oldest railroad bridge still in use. The Thomas Viaduct in Relay, Maryland was the longest bridge in the United States upon its completion in 1835, and remains in use as well.

Branches

Washington

In 1831 a law was passed in Maryland, enabling the B&O to build its Washington Branch, connecting Baltimore to the national capital of Washington, D.C. This opened in 1835, and later served as a terminus for the Annapolis and Elk Ridge Railroad to Annapolis.

Mount Airy
Frederick

The Frederick Branch was built as part of the original line, opening on December 1, 1831. The continuation of the main line from Frederick Junction opened April 2, 1832.

Metropolitan

The Metropolitan Branch was opened in the early 1870s. It leaves the District of Columbia and proceeds northwest through Montgomery County, joining the B&O main line at Point of Rocks. It serves as a bypass around Baltimore and is still in active use.

Georgetown

The line was operated in some manner from 1889 until 1985 when it was proposed for abandonment; it served basically as a minor freight spur carrying coal and building materials to local outlets in Chevy Chase, Bethesda and Georgetown. It was originally built with the intention of connecting to southern railroads to compete with the Pennsylvania Railroad's Long Bridge, but no bridge across the Potomac River was ever built. The abandoned right-of-way is now used as the Capital Crescent Trail.

Trivia

• In the U.S. version of the board game Monopoly, the B&O is one of the four railroad properties on the board, though it did not serve Atlantic City, New Jersey, from which many of the US edition's properties are named.

• A one-time B&O warehouse at the Camden Yards rail junction in Baltimore now dominates the view over the right-field wall at the Baltimore Orioles' current home, Oriole Park at Camden Yards.

References

Railroad History Database
The Baltimore and Ohio Railroad Timeline
Mileposts from CSX Transportation Timetables


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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:04 AM
Good morning Tom and friends! I'll take three lite breakfasts to make up for missing one (ot two) yesterday morning. Thoroughly enjoyed the Sunday Rendevous pix, and pix from Mike last Sunday. Good B&O stuff from Al, and encore material from Tom as well.

Hope no one minds seeing some new stuff today. I can always encore it later for the folks who are missing. There is a small reference to the B&O even, and it goes along with the pix I submitted last Sunday too.

CTC is Coming by Greg Heier

The Illinois Railway Museum demonstration railroad is a fully functional, short, rail operation complete with automatic block signals and passing tracks to allow multiple train operation on its single-track line. Soon, a portion of the railroad will be converted to CTC (Centralized Traffic Control) operation.

Centralized Traffic Control is a system in which a dispatcher, often at a distant position, directs the motions of railway trains by means of remotely controlled signals and track switches. Signaling has been called, probably by railway signalmen, the most important aspect of railway transportation. It allows efficient and rapid movement of trains across great distances with great safety. CTC enhances the efficiency and safety of signal systems.

As long as there was only one train on a railroad, you really didn’t need signaling, or a dispatcher. But, when you add a second train, you need some system to keep the two trains from occupying the same track at the same time. In 1829, laws enacted in Maryland required all trains of the Baltimore & Ohio to be preceded by a mounted flagman both to warn bystanders as well as to protect the train from other trains. This did little to promote rapid transit, and most similar laws were repealed within a few years.

The first trains relied on strict adherence to time schedules, or timetables, to keep trains apart, and early references were made to smoke orders, where dispatchers in towers used spyglasses to watch for the smoke of approaching trains as an aid to dispatching.

Of course, there was no way to know if a train actually had left a distant terminal, or if the train had broken down along the way. When a train was late, an opposing train would wait for a certain proscribed time and then head out. The train crew had some degree of confidence that the crew of the late train would realize that they had lost timetable authority and had to take a siding for a meet. This gave another, and more ominous, example of smoke orders – the engineers watched for smoke of oncoming trains so they could make an emergency stop before colliding with the other train. This imprecise method of running opposing trains on a single track railroad resulted in a number of head-on collisions, usually with loss of life or limb.

By 1832, trackside fixed signals were used to communicate between terminals on the New Castle & French Town Railroad: these were large balls that were raised on poles with halyards. On some busy lines, mostly in Europe, signal-flag or helioscope (blinker) signalmen, similar to military signalmen, relayed dispatching orders along a network of signal towers. With line-of-sight signaling, binoculars were often a signalman’s most important tool. Of course, weather conditions often shut down a rail line by obscuring visibility, and operation remained catch-as-catch-can.

These early signals brought about the concept of blocks, where a signalman would not allow a train to enter a block before the signalman at the block had signaled that no train was coming the opposite direction and that a preceding train had passed his station. The blocks were necessarily short to provide visual communication.

Eventually, the fixed, or lineside, signals were refined to the bladed semaphore type, so named after the military semaphore signalman’s paddles. In railway use, a semaphore in the vertical position indicates clear; horizontal position, restricting or stop; and a 45 degree angle is slow or caution.

Clearly something else was needed, and the next big jump in railroad operation come with the introduction of the telegraph shortly in 1851. The telegraph brought about the day of the train-order station and the operator or telegrapher. This allowed all-weather communication between stations – except when the lines were felled by sleet, snow, rain, wind, tornados, or even by acts of vandalism and war. It also allowed train orders to be sent to intermediate stations so operational flexibility could be enhanced.

In train order system, a dispatcher at some remote location sent a train order by telegraph to a local operator. The operator would write out the train order with at least three copies, one for the engineer, one for the conductor, and a file copy to be kept at his station. Extra copies could also be provided for a rear end brakeman or flagman, or for the engineer of a second locomotive when trains were doubleheader. The order were written on preprinted tissue paper forms using carbon paper to make the multiple copies.

After the operator transcribed the train order, he repeated it to the dispatcher, who checked it for accuracy, then transmitted an okay, and entered it in his train order log as complete. The train orders were addressed to the C&E (conductor and engineer) of a specific train or on al trains heading into a certain operator block. These might include orders for meets, passings, slow orders, and other information train crews need to know. When an order had been delivered, and the train was operating under that order, the operator entered the time on his train sheet and sent the telegraph signal [is]OS for “on sheet.” The dispatcher would also enter the time into his train register.

Trains operating under timetable authority and running on time would not need additional train order authority. Intermediate operators would give these trains orders only when it was necessary to amend the timetable schedule, or warn of track conditions requiring a slow order. To signal these trains that the operator had an order for them, the station was equipped with a train-order signal. A clear signal meant that there were no orders, while a restricting signal meant that trains had to pick up orders. To make sure the C&E had all appropriate orders, a clearance form was used that listed all applicable orders by number and time.

There were two basic type of train orders used – a 19-order, that could be picked up on-the-fly from a train order hoop; and a 31-order, that required the train to stop so the C&E could sign a register copy.

The use of telegraph-order stations and blocks allowed the concept of permissive blocks instituted. This is when following trains were allowed to enter the block shortly after another train. Enginemen were cautioned to watch for stopped trains and flagmen were required to hike a certain distance behind a stopped train to protect it from collision. Whistle signals were established to direct the actions of the flagmen. Even so, rear-end collisions were frequent, the most famous being the 1900 cra***hat took the life of Casey Jones.

Often the train order station was also an interlocking tower with lever controls for nearby signals and switches. It was called an interlocking plant because the interlock machine was designed so that conflicting moves were locked out, and signals could only be set to a permissive aspect if the switches for that route were lined and locked. Interlockings were established where one railroad crossed another, where routes diverged, or at busy terminals. The leverman/operator would also be responsible for lining the switches and signals through his plant. At large plants, the job of telegraph operator and leverman were separate jobs, and very large plants sometimes had assistant levermen.

Invented in England in 1856 by John Saxby, the mechanical interlocking machine had an intricate system of sliding and notched bars and locking pins arranged so that a clear signal would automatically lock track switches and signals on conflicting routes. The machine usually occupied the lower story of an interlocking tower, while it was being operated by a series of levers on the upper floor, which also served as an observation platform for the operator. These mechanical monsters were often called Armstrong interlockers[/i] because of the strength needed to throw the levers, and the larger the interlocking plant, the more rods had to be moved to clear trains and the more muscles required to work the mechanical levers.

The first interlocking tower in the US was built in Trenton, New Jersey, in 1870. Soon the Pennsylvania Railroad, at that time the largest railroad company in the world, also built a series of interlocking/operator towers along its busiest routes to control the numerous train movements. Back then these towers controlled train movements via manual blocks with a minimum of train orders. A tower would clear a train into a block only after the next tower had telegraphed that the previous train had cleared the block. These blocks were shot so that the high density train movements were possible. The frequent spacing of interlocking towers also allowed faster trains to pass slower trains by operating on multiple main tracks. Directions were given to the trains through semaphore signals (later by position light signals). The system’s major flaw was that it was highly labor-intensive and expensive to maintain.

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I'll try to get the rest of the article posted tonight or tomorrow morning. I'm going to lose this computer for awhile. Have a great day!
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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:30 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for my usual coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

The B&O was quite a remarkable railroad when it came to streamlining. Not having the fortunes of rivals NYC and PRR they decided to streamline heavyweights in order to claim streamlined trains. They were the first to have the diesel powered streamliners that rivals NYC and PRR would not operate until after WW II. Probably the finest homebuilt streamliners of all were the postwar Cincinnatians that reverted to streamlined steam for power. The only new matching consists built for the B&O were for the postwar Columbians. The postwar Capitol Limited pride of the B&O was always made up of cars from two builders at least, and not all cars were new several were purchased from other railroads used. With that I will add the following:

BALTIMORE
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OHIO
Streamlined Sleeping Cars
by Al

The B&O would purchase 95 streamlined sleeping cars and lease three more for a period of time. Forty-three of the 95 sleeping cars owned by the B&O were heavyweights streamlined by Pullman Calumet for operation in the pre-WW II CAPITOL LIMITED and NATIONAL LIMITED trains. Of the remaining 52 lightweight stream-lined cars the B&O purchased 14 used from other roads. The CAPITOL LIMITED was inaugurated as an All-Pullman train between Baltimore - Washington and Chicago on May 12, 1923. Even though it was shown in the timetable as a Jersey City to Chicago train only one or two cars were forwarded beyond Washington in a connecting train to and from Jersey City. The CAPITOL LIMITED became one of the first fully air conditioned trains in 1932.
On November 23, 1938 the CAPITOL LIMITED began operating as a diesel powered All-Pullman streamliner between Washington and Chicago with through sleeping cars to and from Jersey City. The heavyweight cars except for the two dining cars were remodeled and streamlined by Pullman Calumet with full width diaphragms full skirting, rounded turtle roofs, and tight lock couplers. It is believed this was one of the first installations of tight lock couplers on heavyweight cars. The new lightweight cars were almost all equipped with tight lock couplers. B&O streamlined the two Dining cars in there own Mount Clare shops. The interiors of all cars after remodeling and streamlining featured indirect lighting and brighter colors than Pullman normally used but still conservative enough for the B&O. The original heavyweight cars streamlined for the CAPITOL LIMITED follow.

Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 Seat Lounge Cars

CAPITOL GARDEN

CAPITOL HILL

14 Section Sleeping Cars

ALEXANDER BELL

JOHN ERICSSON

PARK SPUR

12 Section 1 Drawing Room Sleeping Cars

BRADSHAW

CASTLETON

GREEN BANK

GREEN SPRING

WESTFIELD

8 Section 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars

CLOVER BAY

CLOVER CREST

CLOVER HEIGHTS

CLOVER HOLLOW

CLOVER LODGE

CLOVER PARK

GARDEN BROOK

GARDEN GLEN

8 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment Sleeping cars

LAUREL BRANCH

LAUREL DALE

36 Seat Dining Cars

1061 MARGARET BRENT

1062 VIRGINIA DARE

3 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Buffet 22 Seat Lounge 8 Seat Sun Room Solarium Observation

CAPITOL ARMS

CAPITOL CITY

In October 1939 Pullman delivered two streamlined heavy-weight Sleeping cars for service in the CAPITOL LIMITED consists. These two cars were 8 Section 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars EMERALD BORDER and EMERALD WATERS.
Coaches were added to the CAPITOL LIMITED between August 4, 1940 and December 19, 1941 when the All Coach COLUMBIAN was inaugurated. At that time the CAPITOL LIMITED regained its All Pullman status.
Having seen the results of the streamlined CAPITOL LIMITED increase passenger loads the B&O next turned their attention to the NATIONAL LIMITED the Washington - St. Louis train with cars to and from Jersey City. Once again like the CAPITOL LIMITED the timetable showed the NATIONAL LIMITED as a Jersey City - St. Louis train. Unlike the CAPITOL LIMITED the NATIONAL LIMITED carried both Coaches and Sleeping cars. The NATIONAL LIMITED also required four sets of equipment while the CAPITOL LIMITED only needed two. Again the B&O chose new EMC E units to power the streamlined train.
The B&O Mount Clare shops streamlined 19 heavyweight cars while Pullman Calumet streamlined 23 heavyweight cars. Only three Sun Room Solarium Observations were necessary as they did not run north of Washington to Jersey City. Again most of the NATIONAL LIMITED consists would be assembled in Baltimore/Washington. Only sixteen of the Mount Clare shops heavyweight stream-lined cars were destined for service in the NATIONAL LIMITED the other three were for additional cars for the COLUMBIANS. The NATIONAL LIMITED streamlined heavyweights are listed below.

Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 Seat Lounge Cars

1302-1305

54 Revenue Seat Coaches

3550-3557

42 Seat Dining Lounge Cars

1077 - 1080

14 Section Sleeping Cars

PARK CITY

PARK FALLS

12 Section 1 Drawing Room Sleeping Cars

EAST AKRON

EAST MADISONVILLE

EAST NORWOOD

EAST SPARTA

EAST YOUNGSTOWN

UNIONVILLE

8 Section Buffet 20 Seat Lounge Cars

MERCHANTS CLUB

QUEEN CITY CLUB

8 Section Buffet 19 Seat Lounge Cars

MARYLAND CLUB

PITTSBURGH CLUB

10 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment Sleeping Cars

LOCH AWE

LOCH DOON

LOCH EARN

LOCH LOMOND

8 Section 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars

EMERALD BAY

EMERALD BROOK

EMERALD FALLS

EMERALD WAVES

3 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Buffet 22 Seat Lounge 8 seat Sun Room Solarium Observations

CAPITOL ESCORT

PALM ISLANDS

PALM KEY

On January 15, 1941 The CAPITOL LIMITED received its first lightweight streamlined Sleeping cars. These were the two Pullman Pool cars CASCADE LOCKS and CASCADE BLUFFS with 10 Roomettes and 5 Double Bedrooms. The CAPITOL LIMITED operated these cars as Washington - Chicago sleepers.
On May 27, 1941 two additional CASCADE series cars began operating in the DIPLOMAT between Washington and Detroit again one of these cars per consist in the otherwise all heavyweight train. The DIPLOMAT was the premier train of the B&O between Washington and Detroit and had operated as All Pullman at one time. The two CASCADE Series cars assigned to the DIPLOMAT were CASCADE BOULDERS and CASCADE GULLY.
For whatever reason Pullman Standard opened their production line in September- October 1943 at the height of WW II long enough to deliver three new CASCADE series 10 roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars to the B&O for assignment between Washington and St. Louis in the NATIONAL LIMITED. The three CASCADE series sleeping cars were CASCADE DRIVE, CASCADE MUSIC and CASCADE SOUND. All seven of the CASCADE series sleeping cars would become B&O property in 1945 and would receive 7000 series numbers along with their names.

10 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard April 1940 Plan: 4072B Lot: 6606 (Built for Pullman Pool transferred to B&O in 1941)
CAPITOL LIMITED
CASCADE BLUFF

CASCADE LOCKS

DIPLOMAT
CASCADE BOULDERS

CASCADE GULLY

10 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard September October 1943 Plan: 4072F Lot: 6679 (Built for Pullman pool assigned to NATIONAL LIMITED)

CASCADE DRIVE

CASCADE MUSIC

CASCADE SOUND

In 1945 when the seven CASCADE series cars received 7000 series numbers along with their names they appeared as follows.

7000 CASCADE
BLUFF

7001 CASCADE
BOULDERS

7002 CASCADE
GULLY

7003 CASCADE
LOCKS

7004 CASCADE
DRIVE

7005 CASCADE
MUSIC

7006 CASCADE
SOUND

Beginning in April 1946 a through Los Angeles - Washington 6 Section 6 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom VALLEY series sleeping car of the Santa Fe traveled daily east of Chicago in the CAPITOL LIMITED o and from Washington. This car traveled west of Chicago in the Santa Fe CHIEF to and from Los Angeles. This was one of the earliest through sleeping car services instituted.
Between April and June 1948 the B&O received their first lightweight stream-lined sleeping cars built new for the railroad. These were eight Pullman Standard built 14 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom cars. Four were assigned to each consist of the CAPITOL LIMITED train sets. Initially three were assigned to the NATIONAL LIMITED but were replaced by through MP cars from Houston and Fort Worth later that year and the B&O 14 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars reverted to the CAPITOL LIMITED. Apparently the MP did not like B&O colors breaking up the MP color scheme of the new TEXAS EAGLES.

14 ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard April - June 1948 Plan: 4153B Lot: 6776 (Built for and assigned to CAPITOL LIMITED)

7010 PAW PAW

7011 MAHONING

7012 MONOCACY

7013 MUSKINGUM

7014 PATUXENT

7015 CACAPON

7016 SANGAMON

7017 SCIOTO

As the streamlined cars were added to the CAPITOL LIMITED and NATIONAL LIMITED in the latter train's case they were MP, Frisco and M-K-T cars with few actual B&O sleeping cars in the NATIONAL LIMITED at this time.
The older heavyweight streamlined cars from the NATIONAL LIMITED and CAPITOL LIMITED were passed down to the AMBASSADOR, DIPLOMAT, and SHENANDOAH upgrading those trains with more modern appearing sleeping cars.
In March 1950 the B&O received ten 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from Pullman Standard and eight of these were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED pool so each train set had four. The 14-4 cars were then transferred to the AMBASSADOR, SHENANDOAH and DIPLOMAT adding newer streamlined sleeping cars to those trains. The SHENANDOAH received the remaining two new 10-6 cars from the Pullman Standard order. These cars were part of the huge C&O order for cars that the C&O and NKP Advisory Mechanical Committee (AMC) had developed. The Double Bedrooms were all located in the center of the sleeping cars with five roomettes located at each end over the trucks. Besides the ten cars built new for the B&O the IC received five and the D&RGW received four. The thirteen NKP cars differed slightly and were not part of the C&O order although the NKP took part in the design of the C&O cars providing mechanical engineers to the AMC. The C&O received fifty-six 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from the original order and even this number was more than they needed or could put to use. In October 1950 the C&O sold four to the ACL and five to the IC with two more sold to the IC in November, 1950 and a final car sent to the IC in January 1951 after the Christmas rush ended.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard March 1950 Plan: 4167 Lot: 6814 (Built for and assigned to CAPITOL LIMITED)

7040 AUGLAISE

7041 CATOCTIN

7042 GUYANDOTTE

7043 KOKOSING

7044 MUSCATATUCK

7045 OPEQUON

7046 SHENANGO

7047 TUSCARAWAS

7048 TYGART

7049 YOUGHIOGHENY

In December 1950 the B&O received three Dome Sleeping cars with 5 Roomettes 3 Drawing Rooms 1 Single Bedroom and 24 seats in the Dome. These three cars were originally built for the C&O for their stillborn CHESSIE. These Budd built cars were originally delivered to the C&O in August 1948 as daytime private room cars numbered 1850 - 1852. The C&O considered assigning these cars to the SPORTSMAN for operation between Washington and Detroit and was prepared to name them 1850 BELLE ISLE DOME, 1851 CHAMBERLIN DOME and 1852 HAMPTON ROADS DOME. The names were never applied and the cars were sold to the B&O in December 1950. Two of the cars 7601 STARLIGHT DOME and 7602 SUNLIGHT DOME were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED and the third car 7600 MOONLIGHT DOME was assigned to the SHENANDOAH operating every other day in one train set. These three cars were fitted with roof mounted headlights to light up the passing scenery on the nocturnal journeys of the SHENANDOAH and CAPITOL LIMITEDS. There were clearance problems on the route of the NATIONAL LIMITED and that is why the three domes were assigned to the Chicago - Washington route. The three domes certainly set the CAPITOL LIMITED apart from the competition on the Washington Chicago route such as the PRR LIBERTY LIMITED. The CAPITOL LIMITED began Dome service January 8, 1951.

24 SEAT STRATA-DOME 5 ROOMETTE 3 DRAWING ROOM 1 SINGLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Budd Company August 1948 Plan: 9524 Lot: 9669 - 017 (Built for C&O CHESSIE never operated in that train purchased by B&O December 1950)

7600 MOONLIGHT DOME ex C&O BELLE ISLE DOME originally C&O 1850

7601 STARLIGHT DOME ex C&O CHAMBERLIN DOME originally C&O 1851

7602 SUNLIGHT DOME ex C&O HAMPTON ROADS DOME originally C&O 1852

In February 1951 the B&O received two used 5 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations from the C&O. These cars were delivered to the C&O in 1950 so were virtually new when sold to the B&O. These cars had squared off Observation ends and were probably among the most attractive Observations of this type ever constructed. The first two cars were the 7502 DANA the former C&O 2501 SHENANDOAH CLUB and the 7503 METCALF former C&O 2505 OHIO RIVER CLUB. These cars were assigned to the two consists of the Baltimore/Washington - Detroit AMBASSADOR beginning February 15, 1951.
In March 1951 two additional 5 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations identical to the first two arrived on the B&O from the C&O. After repainting and renumbering these two B&O 7500 NAPPANEE ex C&O 2502 TIDEWATER CLUB and 7501 WAWASEE ex C&O WOLVERINE CLUB were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED. The new cars replaced the old prewar streamlined heavyweight Solarium Observations in CAPITOL LIMITED service.

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard August 1950 Plan: 4165 Lot: 6863 (Built for and assigned C&O Sold to B&O in February - March 1951 for assignment to AMBASSADOR and CAPITOL LIMITED)

7500 NAPPANNEE originally C&O 2502 TIDEWATER CLUB

7501 WAWASEE originally C&O 2507 WOLVERINE CLUB

7502 DANA originally C&O 2501 SHENANDOAH CLUB

7503 METCALF originally C&O 2505 OHIO RIVER CLUB

The B&O next received an order for eleven 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from the Budd Company in May-June 1954. These cars all named for Birds were assigned to such trains as the CAPITOL LIMITED AMBASSADOR, SHENANDOAH, NATIONAL LMITED and other trains. These cars would later serve the B&O as SLUMBERCOACHES and finally eight of these cars would be sold to the SCL for SLUMBERCOACH service between New York and Miami.

16 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Budd Company May - June 1954 Plan: 9536 Lot: 9658 - 137 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

7100 BOBOLINK

7101 CARDINAL

7102 GULL

7103 KINGFISHER

7104 MOCKINGBIRD

7105 ORIOLE

7106 QUAIL

7107 ROBIN

7108 SWAN

7109 THRUSH
7110 WREN

Seeking to upgrade the NATIONAL LIMITED the B&O purchased three NYC prewar 1 Compartment 1 Drawing Room 2 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations that were assigned to the pre WW II SOUTHWESTERN LIMITED. The three cars arrived on the B&O in January 1956 and after repainting and refurbishing the three cars entered B&O service with the same names they had carried while in NYC service.

7510 GENESEE RIVER originally NYC 10650 GENESEE RIVER

7511 MAUMEE RIVER originally NYC 10651 MAUMEE RIVER

7512 WABASH RIVER originally NYC 10652 WABASH RIVER

Beginning April 5, 1957 the B&O assigned lightweight streamlined Twin Unit Dining cars to the CAPITOL LIMITED. These replaced the prewar heavyweight streamlined Dining cars of 1938 in CAPITOL LIMITED. The car were purchased used from the NYC where they had operated in the DETROITER and even the WOLVERINE. The two Twin Unit Dining cars were originally built for the C&O as part of the 1950 order. Four of the Dormitory Kitchen cars and four of the Dining Room cars were sold to the NYC. It was two each of these that were sold to the B&O for the CAPITOL LIMITED as follows.
1092 DINING ROOM CAR and 1093 CREW DORMITORY KITCHEN CAR ex NYC 409 - 472 originally C&O 1975 MICHIE"S TAVERN C&O 1956 CALDWELLS KITCHEN

1094 DINING ROOM CAR and 1095 CREW DORMITORY KITCHEN CAR ex NYC 410 - 473 originally C&O 1976 HANOVER TAVERN C&O 1957 BOTSFORD KITCHEN

The B&O purchased four 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars used from the C&O in 1957 and after repainting the cars entered service assigned to the NATIONAL LIMITED. B&O 7052 SCHUYLKILL and 7053 SHENANDOAH entered service in February 1957. In March B&O 7051 CUYAHOGA entered B&O service followed by 7050 ALLEGHENY in April 1957.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard February - July 1950 Plan: 4167 Lot: 6864 (Built for and assigned to C&O trains sold to B&O 1957 assigned to NATIONAL LIMITED)

7050 ALLEGHENY originally C&O 2603 CITY OF MOUNT HOPE

7051 CUYAHOGA originally C&O 2635 TOWN OF PRINCE

7052 SCHUYLKILL originally C&O 2643 CITY OF MUSKEGON

7053 SHENANDOAH ex C&O 2655 CITY OF PETOSKEY originally C&O 2655 CITY OF ATHENS

In February 1958 the B&O received a pair of the new 24 Single Room 8 Double Room Slumber coaches from Budd numbered and named 7700 SLUMBERLAND and 7701 DREAMLAND. The pair were assigned to the COLUMBIAN the all coach overnight streamliners between Baltimore and Chicago. These trains had been combined with the AMBASSADOR east of Willard Ohio so the Coach Observations were assigned elsewhere. Eventually the B&O would combine the CAPITOL LIMITED and COLUMBIAN between Baltimore and Chicago and the AMBASSADOR between Baltimore and Willard Ohio in both directions. Finally the COLUMBIAN name would be dropped and the combined CAPITOL LIMITED - COLUMBIAN would be known as the CAPITOL LIMITED.

24 SINGLE ROOM 8 DOUBLE ROOM SLUMBERCOACHES Budd Company February 1958 Plan: 9540 Lot: 9691-211 (Built for and assigned to COLUMBIAN)

7700 SLUMBERLAND
7701 DREAMLAND

In May 1959 the B&O received three leased Slumbercoaches from the Budd Company for assignment to the NATIONAL LIMITED between Baltimore and St. Louis. The three leased Slumbercoaches were numbered and named 7702 RESTLAND, 7703 SLEEPLAND and 7704 THRIFTLAND.
In September, 1959 the Missouri Pacific received a 24 Single Room 8 Double Room Slumbercoach leased from Budd numbered and named 699 SOUTHLAND. At that time the B&O and MP Slumbercoaches began a Washington - San Antonio daily service operating in the NATIONAL LIMITED east of St. Louis and the TEXAS EAGLE west of St. Louis.
When the lease was up the MP and B&O both returned these Slumbercoaches to Budd who promptly sold them to the NP for NORTH COAST LIMITED - MAINSTREETER service.

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:33 AM
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Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Baltimore & Ohio (B&O)




Headquarters: Baltimore, MD

Mileage in 1950: 10,000

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel: 491

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 59,152 Passenger cars – 654

Principal routes in 1950:

Jersey City, NJ (New York)-Baltimore, MD-Pittsburgh, PA-Chicago
Washington, DC-Point of Rocks, MD
Cumberland, MD-Cincinnati, OH-St. Louis, MO
Detroit, MI-Toledo, OH-Cincinnati
Hamilton, OH-Beardstown, IL
Pittsburgh-Buffalo & Rochester, NY
Akron-Cleveland, OH
Midland City, OH-Columbus, OH-Pittsburgh

Passenger trains of note:

Ambassador (Baltimore-Detroit)
Capitol Limited (Jersey City-Washington-Chicago)
Cincinnatian (Detroit-Cincinnati; later, Baltimore-Washington-Cincinnati)
Columbian (Washington-Chicago)
Diplomat (Jersey City-Washington-St. Louis)
Metropolitan Special (Washington-St. Louis)
National Limited (Jersey City-Washington-St. Louis)
Royal Blue (Jersey City-Washington)
Shenandoah (Jersey City-Washington-Chicago)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:36 AM
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More on the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O) of the Fallen Flags from The Official Guide of the Railways - Aug 1956



Thrilled travelers tell us “There’s nothing like the view from B&O’s STRATA-DOME” ….. Route your passengers via B&O and they’ll sing your praises too

Passengers traveling in a B&O Strata-Dome marvel at the thrilling panorama and natural beauty of the ever-changing scenery.

FLOODLIGHTS AT NIGHT

Powerful floodlight beams provide a novel view of the landscape after dark.

This exclusive B&O service between Washington and Chicago is offered at no charge!

Strata-Dome Dieseliners between

CHICAGO – AKRON – PITTSBURGH – WASHINGTON

The Capitol Limited (All Pullman) – The Columbia (Deluxe-Coach) – The Shenandoah* (Pullman and Coach)

THROUGH SERVICE TO AND FROM BALTIMORE, WILMINGTON, PHILADELPHIA AND NEW YORK.

*On the Shenandoah, Strata-Dome is operated on alternate dates. Available only to Pullman passengers on the Shenandoah.

BALTIMORE & OHIO RAILROAD

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 12:43 PM
Wjatho captain Tom and the stout crew [8D][:P] Tis a fine fine day today after a fairly cold and awfull holiday weekend. We had indeed ventured North for two days or a day and a bit as it were after my picture post on Sunday. Turned out to be the wettest, and coldest[tdn][:(] Victoria Day weekend in recent memory.[:(][sigh]Mind you the comopany made up for it.

I quite enjoyed the pictures posted on Sunday, quite wonderfull. Tom the rendezvous shots are not as bad as you said they were, gots ta give yourself more credit sir[tup] The Go shots turned out quite well, and the shots of the signboard for the go trains was fine once blown up[tup]

I;m enjiying the B&O fest that you and Al have put on today (even) Monday's early streamliner Al [;)][:D]

Mike Wonderfull to see the photo shots from you as well [tup] Thanks for the contribution a few like that in the comming weeks of doldrums around here will make our day fer sure fer sure [tup] It can be a tad hairy getting off one of the streetcars on Toronto. There is a law that's on the books in the highwaay traffic act that prohibbits drivers from passing a stopped streetcar on the rigth hand side ( doorside ) carries a heavy fine and points on ones licence as well. having said that we did witness an almost on the friday, a young kid getting off our car was almost hit by a moron yaking on their cell phone [tdn] while driving. The cars are in great shape concidering that they are in some cases over 30 years old. The TTC is known fior their dedication to the safety and maintenance if their system both surface and sud surface.

Doug You will be sorly missed during your offline times [:(] Loved todays post, but certaimly encore it again so everyone can benefit from it. Loved the CTC shots from Sunday as well[tup]

Pete I know that you are now likley over'om ,remember to have a wonderfull time. I hope you get to ride some rail while you are there ( photo's to prove it as well )Loved the latest shots from Alan as well , neat little diesel mechanical, it looked lost shuffling that coach around.

Ted So I'm the glue eh [?] What a sticky situation that is LOL [:O][swg] I'm sure that as long as we remember to keep the "turf"green side up that we sahll be fine. Any running commentary to the encores posted by myself and other's over the next few weeks will be greatly appreciated [tup]


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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:08 PM
Okay I manged to find a small piece of info on early E units on the B&O so fittingky I will post it today and then encore it at a later date as well. This will be the last new info from me until we are back to Our Places fighting stength.

i] CLASSIC DIESELS #25 EARLY B&O PASSENGER "E's"[/i]


In June 1935 just beforre EMC completed their new errecting shop in La Grange GE completed the bodies of boxcab diesels 511 and 512. A twin truck twin engine diesel locomotive which was extensivley tested by the various railways as a tester for passenger power that was not articulated ( Zepher sets ) These were powered by a pair of Winton 12 cylinder 900 hp model 201A's giving the twin unit set 1800hp. This two motor in the same carbody design was the forerunner of the E series locomotives.

In August of 1935 B&O pyurcahsed one of these box units which they numbered "50"This was the first sperate stand alone diesel locomotive to be purhased and placed into service. ( First of many )

Once the La Grange plant opened in May of 1936 EMC soon began working on new stand alone passenger locomotive designs to build along side the end cab switchers under production at their new plant.Althouhg B&O was satisfied with number 50,it's appearance ( that of a large boxcar ) left something to be desired when leading one of the companies premier passenger trains. The other concern was that of the engineer sitting in the very fron tof this flat fronted unit doing 100mph down the track ! They were accustomed to the boiler of a steam engine separating them from anything "wayward" at a grade crossing.The result was EMC's EA locomotive still powered with the same twin 900hp motors but streamilned and with a top mounted cab ( the fore runner of all the E series basic looks ) .Althouhg B&O wanted this same stand alone locomotive ( nothing articulated likie with the Zephers) they also wanted multiple unit capability which was similar to the original boxcab demonstraters 511 and 512 .The result was ENC designing the EA and its cabless running mate the EB. This resulted in B&O ordering six EA'a and six EB's in 1937.

The streamlined bodies greatly improved the high speed tracking of the new engines (unlike the boxcab )To help even out the weight of steam heat equuipmnet and improve the ride A1A trucks were designed and put undernieth the new EA/EB locomotives.

So the E series was born and B&O had the pioneering engines to compete with Pennsey and NYC for the high speed New York to Washington trains, as the 3600 hpof an EA/EBset could move any train at competitive speeds against the best the NYC or Pennsey electrics on the NE corridor.

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:36 PM
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More on the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O) of the Fallen Flags from The Official Guide of the Railways - Aug 1956



B&O DIESEL-ELECTRIC FEATURE TRAINS

CAPITOL LIMITED – COLUMBIAN – SHENANDOAH
Between Chicago, Pittsburgh, Washington and the East

NATIONAL LIMITED – DIPLOMAT – METROPOLITAN
Between St. Louis, Cincinnati, Washington and the East

THE AMBASSADOR
Between Detroit, Washington and Baltimore

THE ROYAL BLUE
Between Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia and New York

STRATA-DOME CARS*
On 3 Fine Trains

CAPITOL LIMITED – COLUMBIAN – SHENANDOAH
Chicago – Akron – Pittsburgh – Washington
Baltimore – Wilmington – Philadelphia – New York

(* In service between Chicago and Washington)

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:36 PM
Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Looks like Rob, you and I on this page 339.

Baltimore
&
Ohio
(B&O)
Streamlined Dome Cars
by Al

The B&O purchased a pair of Pullman Standard 8-car coach streamliners following WWII for Baltimore-Chicago service. The two trains were delivered to the B&O in May 1949 and entered service as the COLUMBIANS May 5, 1949. The fourth car in each consist of the COLUMBIAN was a Strata-dome coach.
All cars in the COLUMBIAN trains were numbered and named the two Strata-dome coaches were 5550 HIGH DOME and 5551 SKY DOME. These cars seated 42 on the main level of the cars 18 forward of the dome and 24 aft of the dome. Beneath the dome was a pair of comfortable lounges for passengers to relax in; one of these lounges seated 6 the other 11. The domes were only 15’ 3” above the rails giving these two Strata-domes the distinction of being the lowest height short domes operated in North America. Upstairs in the dome of the two Pullman Standard built Strata-domes were 24 seats arranged in six pairs on either side of the center aisle. The backs of the seats were lower than those found in any other dome cars. One feature found on the B&O Strata-Domes not found on others was on the forward bulkhead of the car above the aisle was located a speedometer, clock, altimeter and barometer.
In December 1950 the B&O purchased three Strata-dome sleeping cars from the C&O and after updating these virtually new cars that had never entered service for their original owner assigned them to the CAPITOL LIMITED and SHENANDOAH. These Budd built cars dated to August 1956. After purchase by the B&O before entering scheduled service the cars made a brief visit to Pullman for upgrading for sleeping car service. At the short end of the car forward of the dome on the main level was 5 roomettes. On the main level to the rear of the dome were 3 drawing rooms. Beneath the dome was a single bedroom, car attendants quarters and conductors office Upstairs the dome seated the usual 24.
The CAPITOL LIMITED received a pair of these Strata-domes one for each train set. The SHENANDOAH with a single car provided every other day Strata-dome service between Chicago and Washington. The B&O numbered and named each of the cars as follows:

7600 MOONLIGHT DOME originally C&O 1850

7601 STARLIGHT DOME originally C&O 1851

7602 SUNLIGHT DOME originally C&O 1852

The B&0 7600 MOONLIGHT DOME to the SHENANDOAH, while 7601 STARLIGHT DOME and 7602 SUNLIGHT DOME were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED.
In 1952 all five domes were shopped and after having lights mounted on the right side roofs forward of the domes became the first and only dome cars that could light up the countryside at night. These floodlights were nothing more than locomotive headlights with each putting out 250 watts. They were mounted on the roofs at angles of 60, 70, 80 and 85 degrees from the cars centerline. A breaker was mounted ahead of the lights to protect them from hanging icicles in tunnels and at stations having overhead platforms. The lights were used outside of the major towns and turned off when passing through heavily populated areas.
The three Strata-dome sleeping cars were leased to the Atlantic Coast Line between December 1965 and April 1966. After return from the ACL the cars were leased to the Canadian National from May 1966 to March 1968. The CN assigned the three cars to service in the SUPER CONTINENTAL between Edmonton and Vancouver.
After return from the CN in March 1968 the B&O assigned the cars to the CAPITOL LIMITED until July 1968 when the three Strata-dome cars were once again leased out. This time they were leased to the Seaboard Coast Line who purchased the three domes in July 1969. During this period they operated in the FLORIDA SPECIAL during the winter season and SILVER METEOR at other times. In both trains they operated between Richmond and Miami. Once more the cars were sold to Hamburg Industries in 1970 who after refurbishing the cars leased them back to the SCL.

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:08 PM
THEME for the DAY! - THEME for the DAY!
first Posted on page 211

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O) from a 1946 advertisement in my personal collection.



Your Holiday begins with ”all aboard”

* When your Diesel-Electric Baltimore & Ohio luxury train glides smoothly from the station, you’ll know your holiday has really started. Mile after mile, you’ll enjoy the thrill of modern rail travel . . . the extra measure of pleasure for which B&O is so well-known.

* Outstanding with “holidayers” is the friendly courtesy of B&O people. In big and little services, alike, you’ll constantly enjoy this warm hospitality . . . for courtesy is traditional on the B&O.

* And, when you visit B&O diners, you’re in for a real “holiday treat.” For, B&O is famous for its good food . . . prepared just the way you like it . . . at prices that are reasonable.

* Then, there’s B&O’s record for “on-time” dependability. Not only does B&O strive to make your travel time thoroughly enjoyable but it also makes a special point of seeing that you arrive at your destination on schedule!

* Yes, when you start your holiday with Baltimore & Ohio, the extra measure of pleasure given by such features as friendly courtesy, good food and “on-time” dependability will be proof why more and more travelers say:

NOW . . . AS ALWAYS – The B&O is the Way to Go!

BALTIMORE & OHIO RAILROAD


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]


THEME for the DAY! - THEME for the DAY!
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:21 PM
[bday] 2006 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST [bday]
(2nd rev. May 20th):



March 5th (Nick – 46)
March 13th (Doug – 50)
March 31st (Lars – 66)
April 18th (Al - 63)
May 18th (Tom - 68)
May 27th (Dave - 47) NEXT UP: Noon to 4 PM (Pacific time) on May 27th
June 3rd (John) – 47) “Bash” - ONLY upon receipt of a preferred date & time
August 11th (Pete – 55)
August 16th (Ted – 68)
September 8th (Rob - 35)
September 11th – Per – 61 Legion of the Lost
October 18th (BK – 66)
December 29th (CM3 – 60)


Not on the list [?] Send me an Email with your birth date (month-day-year). Corrections too!


Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!




NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES!
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:28 PM
Good Evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Continuing our theme for the day on the B&O.

BALTIMORE
&
OHIO
(B&O)
Streamlined Dining & Lounge Cars
by Al

Baltimore & Ohio owned few lightweight streamlined dining and lounge cars, even though an early pioneer in streamlining with the early experimental “Wind splitter” early in the century.
The first two lightweight streamlined dining cars were the two built for the B&O ROYAL BLUE and B&O subsidiary C&A ABRAHAM LINCOLN. The former operated between Jersey City and Washington, D.C. the latter between St. Louis and Chicago. Both trains were eight cars as delivered by American Car & Foundry in 1935. The choice of building materials of the two trains varied as well. The ABRAHAM LINCOLN consist delivered in April 1935 was built of Cor-Ten steel, and entered service on the Alton July 1, 1935. The ROYAL BLUE consist delivered in early June 1935 was constructed of Aluminum with a Cor-Ten steel center frame. Due to the thickness of the aluminum the cars from the two streamliners weighed approximately the same. Later aluminum construction would be lighter in weight than comparable steel cars although it is generally felt the lightest and safest construction was Budd stainless steel shot-welded together.
The ROYAL BLUE entered scheduled service June 24, 1935.
Each of the two streamliners as built featured a single lunch counter –dining car. The cars served as lounge cars during non-meal hours.
The ROYAL BLUE car was numbered 5700 and seated ten at the lunch counter and 32 in the dining area at eight tables for four. The car was trainlined as the fifth car in the eight-car train.
The ABRAHAM LINCOLN car was numbered 5701 and seating was identical to the 5700. The 5701 was trainlined in the same position as the 5700.
The ROYAL BLUE which had added one additional coach in January 1937 was repainted in C&A colors and was renamed the ABRAHAM LINCOLN July 26, 1937. The earlier ABRAHAM LINCOLN was renamed the ANN RUTLEDGE at that time. This gave the ALTON twice-daily round trip daily streamliner service between Chicago and St. Louis.
Sometime between the time they first entered service in 1935 and 1940 the two Lunch counter – dining cars gave up one lunch counter seat as the seat in question was difficult to get in and out of if passengers were seated in the seats on either side.
In 1946 both lunch counter – dining cars were rebuilt to 40-seat dining cars losing the lunch counters at that time.
The cars from these two early streamliners were not retired until 1969.

10-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 32-SEAT DINING CAR American Car & Foundry April 1935 (Built for and assigned to ABRAHAM LINCOLN later ANN RUTLEDGE)

5701

10-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 32-SEAT DINING CAR American Car & Foundry June 1935 (Built for and assigned to ROYAL BLUE later transferred to Alton and assigned to ABRAHAM LINCOLN)

5700

Two 64-seat coaches one from the original ROYAL BLUE number 5800 and one from the original ABRAHAM LINCOLN consist number 5803 were rebuilt to Buffet lounge cars. The 5800 was rebuilt to a Buffet 38-seat Lounge car in July 1935 with no change of car number. Two years later in April 1937 B&O Mt. Clair shops rebuilt 5803 to a Buffet 38-seat lounge car again with no change of car number. Both cars received three additional lounge seats in 1946.
The original ABRAHAM LINCOLN Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office car 5751 was rebuilt in 1936 to a Baggage 36-seat coach with no change of number. In 1941 car 5751 was again shopped emerging as a Baggage Bar 8-seat lounge 24-seat lounge car. The car underwent a further remodeling in 1946 to a Baggage Buffet 24-seat Lounge car.
A re-equipped ROYAL BLUE was introduced April 25, 1937 replacing the lightweight streamlined train that entered service June 24, 1935. The B&O Mt. Clare shops streamlined the eight-car heavyweight train. The train offered three feature cars a buffet 52-seat coach 3065 rebuilt from coach 5326. This car had a buffet at one end that passengers could purchase items from and return to their seat to consume. The 3065 operated as the fifth car in the eight-car train.
Car 1075 was a six seat Lunch Counter 36-seat dining car rebuilt from heavyweight 36-seat dining car 1051. The 1075 operated as the sixth-car in the ROYAL BLUE train.
The eighth- car was a buffet 34-seat lounge observation rebuilt from heavyweight coach 5325. The Solarium type observation was a popular place for passengers traveling between Jersey City and Washington. This consist was renamed the COLUMBIAN December 9, 1937 when another streamlined heavyweight train was introduced as the new ROYAL BLUE.
The new eight-car streamlined train operated opposite the COLUMBIAN when one train was southbound the other was northbound.
The fifth, sixth and eighth cars were feature cars of this ROYAL BLUE consist.
The fifth-car 3066 was a 7-seat lunch counter 38-seat coach rebuilt from heavyweight coach 5295.
The sixth car in this ROYAL BLUE consist was a 44-seat dining car 1076 rebuilt from heavyweight 36-seat dining car 1054.
The eighth cars was a buffet 34-seat lounge observation 3301 rebuilt from heavyweight coach 5298. This car was identical to the 3300 then transferred to the COLUMBIAN.
Pullman Standard streamlined 22 heavyweight cars for the two consists of the CAPITOL LIMITED necessary for daily service between Washington and Chicago. The train did carry through sleeping cars beyond its eastern terminal Washington to Jersey City, but the train was assembled and disassembled at Washington in both directions. Besides the 22-cars streamlined by Pullman Standard for the CAPITOL LIMITED the B&O Mt. Clare shops streamlined two matching 36-seat dining cars one for each trains consists. The two dining cars were 1061 MARGARET BRENT and 1062 VIRGINIA DARE.
The four feature cars streamlined by Pullman Standard were the two Baggage 12-Crew Dormitory Buffet 18-seat Lounge cars CAPITOL GARDEN and CAPITOL HILL and the two 1-Drawing Room 3 Compartment Buffet 18-seat Lounge 8-seat Sun Room Observations CAPITOL ARMS and CAPITOL CITY.
The other major route operated by the B&O was the Washington – St. Louis route. The B&O NATIONAL LIMITED was there premier train on this route. In 1940 the B&O streamlined sixteen heavyweight cars and Pullman Standard streamlined twenty-three cars for this service this gave the B&O three complete train sets with a spare Baggage-12-Crew Dormitory-Buffet-18-seat Lounge and one spare 28-seat Dining 12-seat Cocktail Lounge car. The four Baggage 12-Crew Dormitory Buffet 18-seat lounge cars were 1302-1305 rebuilt from heavyweight Baggage-coaches 1417,1419,1423 and 1425 respectively.
The four 28-seat dining 12-seat Cocktail lounge cars were 1077 – 1080 rebuilt from 36-seat dining cars 1036 – 1040 respectively.
The three Sleeper-Buffet Lounge sunroom observations rebuilt by Pullman Standard were CAPITOL ESCORT, PALM ISLANDS and PALM KEY. These cars featured 1 Drawing Room 3 Compartments Buffet 18 seat Lounge 8-seat Sun Room Observations.
On December 19, 1941 just days after the United States entered WW II the B&O extended the COLUMBIAN route from its Jersey City – Washington routing to Jersey City – Chicago as an all coach companion train to the all Pullman CAPITOL LIMITED. As two consists were necessary for this service a number of cars were streamlined or remodeled for this service. The 1300 was remodeled to a Baggage 12-crew dormitory Buffet 18-seat Lounge car ad renumbered 1306. The other COLUMBIAN consist operated with the spare NATIONAL LIMITED car of this type 1302.
Two new 47-seat dining cars were assigned to the two consists of the COLUMBIAN, one was remodeled from 1075 from the April 1937 ROYAL BLUE consist and renumbered 1082, the 1081 was rebuilt and streamlined from heavyweight 36-seat dining car 1050.
Buffet Observation 3300 was renumbered 3303 and the 3302 was rebuilt and remodeled from heavyweight coach 5234.
The B&O built two fully streamlined five-car trains using the chassis, running gear and framing from heavyweight coaches and inaugurated the new CINCINNATIAN’S January 19, 1947 between Baltimore and Cincinnati daily in each direction. Each five car consist operated with two feature cars. The first car in each consist was a Baggage Crew Dayroom Buffet 24-seat Lounge Car. The two cars of this type built for the new streamliners were 1307 EDEN PARK and 1308 HYDE PARK.
The fifth and last car in each consist was a Kitchen Pantry 23-sat dining room 21-seat lounge observation. The observations were beautiful round end type and the entire consists looked to be factory built so well built were the Mt. Clare shop cars. The two Observations were numbered and named 3304 PEEBLES CORNER and 3305 FOUNTAIN SQUARE.
Two all-new eight-car COLUMBIAN train sets entered service in May 1949. The new trains were built by Pullman Standard and became the first dome trains to operate between Baltimore-Washington and Chicago thanks to the clearances enjoyed by the B&O along their route between these cities. Not counting the Strata-Dome Coach in each consist there was three feature cars in each consist.
The first car in each consist was a Baggage 12-Crew Dormitory Buffet 16-seat Coffee Shop car.

BAGGAGE 12-CREW DORMITORY BUFFET 16-SEAT COFFEE SHOP CARS Pullman Standard May 1949 (Built for and assigned to COLUMBIANS)

1350 HARPERS FERRY

1351SILVER SPRING

The fifth car in each new COLUMBIAN consist was a 38-seat Dining car with seating arranged at triangular tables.

38-SEAT DINING CARS Pullman Standard May 1949 (Built for and assigned to COLUMBIANS)

1090 AKRON

1091 PITTSBURGH

The last car in each consist was a Tavern Lounge Observation seating 36 in the tavern followed by a bar and a 28-seat lounge observation.

36-SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE BAR 28-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard May 1949 (Built for and assigned to COLUMBIANS)

3315 CHICAGO

3316 WASHINGTON

The remaining B&O feature cars were all acquired used from other railroads with the exception of two special RDC-2s. The first of these was a pair of 5-Double Bedroom Buffet 25-Seat Lounge Observations purchased from the C&O in February 1951. These were Blunt end observation cars and were assigned to the AMBASSADOR operating between Baltimore/Washington and Detroit.

7502 DANA originally C&O 2501 SHENANDOAH CLUB

7503 METCALF originally C&O 2505 OHIO RIVER CLUB

Two identical cars were delivered by the C&O to the B&O in March 1951 and these two after repainting were assigned to bring up the markers of the CAPITOL LIMITED.

7500 NAPPANEE originally C&O 2502 TIDEWATER CLUB

7501 WAWASEE originally C&O 2507 WOLVERINE CLUB

The B&O purchased three sleeper buffet lounge observations from the NYC in January 1956. The NYC in the prewar SOUTHWESTERN LIMITED between New York and St. Louis operated these three cars. They became surplus to the NYC needs by 1955 and had seen very little use that year. Each of these cars featured 1 Compartment 1 Drawing Room 2 Double Bedrooms Buffet 25-seat Lounge Observation. The cars originally built in July 1939 were refurbished and repainted before entering B&O service. The B&O assigned the cars to their NATIONAL LIMITEDS between Baltimore and St. Louis. An interesting note is that the B&O retained the same names for the cars they had operated with while in NYC service as they were named for rivers between found along both railroads routes.

7510 GENESEE RIVER originally NYC 10650 GENESEE RIVER

7511 MAUMEE RIVER originally NYC 10651 MAUMEE RIVER

7512 WABASH RIVER originally NYC 10652 WABASH RIVER

The B&O purchased two special Rail Diesel cars that were delivered by Budd in October 1956. They probably most resembled an RDC- 3 than the RDC-2 designation they carried. The forward end of these two cars had a Baggage Compartment followed by a Kitchen that and then a 24 seat dining room with six booths for four. To the rear of the dining area was a coach compartment seating 24 and two restrooms. These two cars numbered 1960 and 1961 were initially operated with two RDC-1s each 1908-1911 delivered at the same time to make three car trains they operated as the DAYLIGHT SPEEDLINERS between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh daily in each direction.

SPECIAL RDC – 2 BAGGAGE KITCHEN 24-SEAT DINING 24-SEAT COACHS Budd Company October 1956 (Built for and assigned to DAYLIGHT SPEEDLINERS)

1960, 1961

Two twin-unit sets of Crew Dormitory Kitchen – Dining room cars were purchased from the NYC in February 1957 and after repainting were assigned to the B&O finest the CAPITOL LIMITEDS. The NYC had assigned these two sets of cars to the DETROITER between New York and Detroit. They were originally built for the C&O and sold to the NYC almost immediately after completion by Pullman Standard.

16-CREW DORMITORY KITCHEN
CARS

1093 ex NYC 472 originally C&O 1956 CALDWELL’S KITCHEN

1095 ex NYC 473 originally C&O 1957 BOTSFORD KITCHEN

52-SEAT DINING ROOM 12-SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE CARS

1092 ex NYC 409 originally C&O 1975 MICHIE”S TAVERN

1095 ex NYC 410 originally C&O 1976 HANOVER TAVERN

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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:19 PM
Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Tom Just thought you would like to know that I began a book on RDC's today. I just felt the three books I already have did not do the subject justice so will put a fourth book out their. Either that or this forced vacation time is causing me to lose my mind.

Soon as i get a chapter finished I will send it along to you on your private line to peruse.

I am beginning to feel like a caged animal being tied down like I am at the present.

It has even given me time to go to the State Attorney General about something my city has done. Don't think they are going to be very happy. To Bad!

One more B&O post and that's it for me today.

BALTIMORE
&
OHIO
Streamlined Head End Cars
By Al

The B&O received two identical eight car streamlined trains in 1935 from American Car & Foundry. The only difference in the two trains was the materials used in their construction. The train delivered to the B&O to operate as the ROYAL BLUE between Washington and Jersey City was constructed of Aluminum with only the car center sills of steel. The new ROYAL BLUE entered service June 24, 1935 round trip daily.
The second train made of lightweight mild steel called Cor-Ten entered service July 1, 1935 on B&O subsidiary Chicago and Alton between Chicago and St. Louis round trip daily as the ABRAHAM LINCOLN. Each consist was identical and the first car in each train was a Baggage 30’Railway Post Office Car. Car 5750 was the Aluminum car operating in the ROYAL BLUE and 5751 was the steel car operating in the ABRAHAM LINCOLN.
Both Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office cars 5750 and 5751 were rebuilt in 1936 in B&O Mt. Clare shops with no change of numbers. The 5750 being rebuilt to a Baggage 44-Revenue seat Coach in July 1936. The 5751 being rebuilt to a Baggage Buffet 24-Revenue seat Coach in November of that year.
Beginning July 26, 1937 the ROYAL BLUE consist began operating round trip daily on the Chicago & Alton as the ABRAHAM LINCOLN between Chicago and St. Louis. The original ABRAHAM LINCOLN was renamed the ANN RUTLEDGE on that same date. The C&A became the first railroad in the lucrative Chicago – St. Louis market to offer twice-daily round trip streamliner service.
During April 1942 the C&A rebuilt the 5750 into a straight 60-revenue seat coach and renumbered the car 5807.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS American Car & Foundry June 1935 (Built for and assigned to ROYAL BLUE and ABRAHAM LINCOLN)

B&O
ROYAL BLUE

5750

C&A
ABRAHAM LINCOLN

5751

The B&O railroads next two streamlined head end cars were rebuilt in 1937 from heavyweights by the B&O Mt. Clare shops. The first of these was in the streamlined heavyweight ROYAL BLUE replacement train for the lightweight ROYAL BLUE transferred to the Alton. The streamlined head end car was 1432 a Baggage 36 revenue seat Coach Combination. After streamlining and remodeling the interior the car was numbered 1300. This car and the heavyweight streamlined ROYAL BLUE entered service April 25, 1937.
The second streamlined head end car of 1937 was part of a new streamlined heavyweight ROYAL BLUE consist that began service December 9, 1937. The B&O then renamed the train set inaugurated in April 1937 the COLUMBIAN. This gave New York – Washington passenger’s two daily streamliners to choose from. The heavyweight 1434 another Baggage 36 revenue seat Coach Combination was rebuilt for this ROYAL BLUE and was renumbered 1301.
The B&O remodeled the 1300 into a Baggage 12 crew Dormitory 16-revenue seat Coach Combination in time for the COLUMBIAN becoming a Jersey City – Chicago train under the name COLUMBIAN. Since both the COLUMBIAN and ROYAL BLUE consists were needed for this extended service using the COLUMBIAN name. The B&O due to the sudden outbreak of the war instead of converting the streamlined 1301 into the other Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory 16-revenue seat Coach combination converted heavyweight 1433 into a Baggage 12 crew dormitory 16 seat Coach Combination and it remained 1432 and was never streamlined. The new COLUMBIANS began service December 19, 1941 just days after the U.S. entered WW II.
Prior to the COLUMBIAN in 1938 the B&O began operating the All-Pullman CAPITOL LIMITED as a streamlined train between Jersey City and Chicago. Since this was a Pullman train the heavyweight cars for the two consists were streamlined by Pullman themselves except for the two B&O owned heavyweight 36 seat Dining cars that were streamlined in the Mt. Clare shops of the B&O. Each of the two heavyweight streamlined train sets had a single head end car a Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 18 seat Lounge car. The two cars were named CAPITOL GARDEN and CAPITOL HILL.
The last prewar cars rebuilt and streamlined were the cars for the NATIONAL LIMITED the B&O train between New York City and St. Louis. This train served Baltimore and Washington as well. Four sets of equipment were needed for the NATIONAL LIMITED in order to provide daily service in both directions. The B&O rebuilt and streamlined four 1400 series heavyweight Baggage-Coaches into Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 18 seat Lounge Cars for the NATIONAL LIMITED and renumbered them with 1300 series numbers as follows in June 1940.

1302 originally B&O 1417

1303 originally B&O 1419

1304 originally B&O 1423

1305 originally B&O 1425

One additional car of this type was completed in December 1941 for the COLUMBIAN numbered 1306. This car was converted from the 1300 originally rebuilt for the ROYAL BLUE.

1306 ex B&O 1300 originally B&O 1432

On January 19, 1947 the B&O inaugurated a pair of five car streamliners powered by streamlined steam locomotives between Washington and Cincinnati named the CINCINNATIAN. The cars for the new trains were completely streamlined and were built on the frames of old heavyweight cars. The two head end cars were 1307 EDEN PARK and 1308 HYDE PARK. These cars were built with Baggage Crew Dayroom Buffet and 24 seat Lounge. The train was never a success on this run and did not make a profit for the B&O until the two train sets were transferred to the Detroit-Cincinnati run.
The only new head end cars purchased by the B&O after WW II were a pair of Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 24 seat Coffee Shop cars delivered as part of a sixteen car order from Pullman Standard to equip the two consists of the postwar COLUMBIANS.

BAGGAGE 12 CREW DORMITORY BUFFET 24 SEAT COFFEE SHOP CARS Pullman Standard April 1949 (Built for and assigned to COLUMBIANS)

1350 HARPERS FERRY

1351 SILVER SPRING

The B&O purchased six Rail Diesel cars from the Budd Company in 1956 that were for a new daily Pittsburgh – Washington – Baltimore – Philadelphia service named the DAYLIGHT SPEEDLINERS. Although four of these cars were regular RDC-1 all coach models the other two were special RDC-2 models. One RDC-2 and two RDC-1’s comprised each train set with the RDC-2 leading. What made these RDC-2’s different from standard RDC-2’s was the fact they were equipped with Kitchens and 24 passenger dining rooms. These cars contained a Baggage Compartment followed by a kitchen 24-seat dining room and then a 24-seat coach seating area. The two B&O cars were numbered 1960 and 1961.

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Posted by wanswheel on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:29 PM
Hi Tom and everyone, a ROUND FOR THE HOUSE.

Great to see Doug, Al and Rob participating in Tom's splendid B&O encore day.

Hope you enjoy the photos at these links. For a grey view of the locomotive #50 that Rob posted about, see the Abraham Lincoln.

Start off with a picture and page from the Enoch Pratt Library in Baltimore:

Viaduct Over Patapsco River http://www.epfl.net/exhibits/catorprints/images/large/cator049.jpg
"Built in 1834, this famous bridge at Relay is still a part of the main line of the road. It was called the Thomas viaduct after Philip E. Thomas, first president of the Baltimore and Ohio and was designed by Benjamin H. Latrobe, son and namesake of the architect of the Cathedral and of the Capitol at Washington. For years the bridge was referred to as "Latrobe's folly", because the design was considered impractical and engineers declared it would not stand under its own weight.
"To Latrobe", says the author of the "Story of the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad," is due credit for the fashioning of this remarkable stone structure, a curving viaduct seven hundred feet long, of eight elliptical arches, each sixty feet in width and about sixty-five feet above the level of the stream. . .Over a structure originally designed for the passage of six-ton locomotives with their small trains, there pass today, 300-ton locomotives, with the heaviest of steel trains, both freight and passenger. And this, with no alterations nor repairs to the original bridge, save, from time to time, the common upkeep of pointing its masonry fabric. Mr. Latrobe builded better than he knew".

The quote (above) from the 1933 description of this print is from The Story of the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad by Edward Hungerford. The text reads:

To Benjamin H. Latrobe is due credit for the fashioning of this remarkable stone structure, a curving viaduct seven hundred feet long, of eight elliptical arches, each sixty feet in width and about sixty-five feet above the level of the stream. The care, the thought, and the labor that went into the fabrication of this unusual bridge must have been very great. But that it was well built, as well as planned, the evidence of time itself has gone to show. Over a structure originally designed for the passage of six-ton locomotives, with their small trains, there pass today, 300-ton locomotives, with the heaviest of steel trains, both freight and passenger. And this, with no alterations nor repairs to the original bridge, save, from time to time, the common upkeep of pointing its masonry fabric. Mr. Latrobe builded better than he knew. He builded not alone for the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad of that day, but for the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad of many a day to come--to at least a full hundred years, and no one knows how far beyond.

Postcards from B& O Historical Society
http://borhs.org/images/photo-2.jpg

http://borhs.org/images/photo-3.jpg

Amtrak at Harper's Ferry
http://www.pbase.com/dsktc/image/51869678.jpg enlarge to 'full screen'

Streamlined steam
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/B&O/dfrr4006_baltimore_&_ohio_rr_amblersberg_wv_1948.jpg

Rust never sleeps
http://www.mdrails.com/images/capitol_limited.jpg

Budd RDC
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=200510062034428943.jpg&byrail%3A2%3ABaltimore_and_Ohio

Chicago, 1970
http://www.cnwhs.org/memberphotos/albums/userpics/10089/B%26OCNW.jpg

B&O ticket office in Denver, Colorado, 1913
http://photoswest.org/photos/00074001/00074063.jpg

B&O station in Sykesville, Maryland
photo attributed to William Henry Jackson
http://photoswest.org/photos/20104001/20104034.jpg

Photographs by Otto Perry (1894-1970)

B&O station in Shoals, Indiana
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002624.jpg

2 coaches
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002617.jpg
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002616.jpg

Indianapolis, November 4, 1927
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002569.jpg

Bound Brook, N.J., October 18, 1930.
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002557.jpg

Berwyn, Md., August 10, 1932
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002585.jpg

Washington, D.C., August 10, 1932. The Capitol Limited
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002590.jpg

St. Mary's, WV, August 17, 1933
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002566.jpg

A Century of Progress 1933-34
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002589.jpg

"Mennon" http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002604.jpg

"York" http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002614.jpg

"Tom Thumb" http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002612.jpg

"Thomas Jefferson" http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002611.jpg

Cleveland exhibition, August 8, 1936.
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002615.jpg

"William Galloway"
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002613.jpg

New York World's Fair 1939-40:
"Thatcher Perkins" http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002606.jpg

"Ross Winans" http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002607.jpg and http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002608.jpg

"Atlantic" http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002610.jpg

Washington, D.C., August 3, 1939. The Royal Blue
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002597.jpg

Chicago, August 10, 1939
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002550.jpg

Chicago, August 11, 1939 The Capitol Limited
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002599.jpg

Chicago, July 25, 1940. The Abraham Lincoln
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002501/00002595.jpg

Chicago, July 25, 1940. The Abraham Lincoln
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St. Louis, August 16, 1940. The Abraham Lincoln
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St. Louis, August 16, 1940. The National Limited
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Keyser, WV, July 12, 1953
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:51 PM
G'day Gents!

A surprise here at the “Hit ‘n Miss Bar ‘n Grill” as the Posts supporting the B&O Theme kept rolling in – especially from passengerfan Al (aka: 20 Fingers!) [swg] [tup]

An absolutely amazing work that wanswheel Mike (aka: URLMeisterMonster provided us! Indeed a shame that our patrons are so scattered and sparse. Surely worth an ENCORE! one fine day. [tup]

After a hiatus from the bar of well over 48 hours, the return of trolleyboy with two fine submissions. [tup]

Also, THANX to Al ‘n Rob for Posting over on “my other Thread!” [tup]

barndad Doug visited us early this AM and although he provided an ‘original’ – it was well within the parameters of our THEME for the DAY! [tup]

So, Gents, we’ve done more with less on this day – appreciated and perhaps a bit to much to expect throughout this drought of ours. Thanx to all! [tup]

Thanx to all who purchased rounds! [tup]

This is my 8th Post of the day . . . . that should just about do it for me.


REMINDER: Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:12 PM
Good evening Tom and friends! I'll have a bottlomless draught, and buy a round for the house. Wow! Not a bad day at all. Amazing material from Alon the B&O to be sure! And Mike your pix links are top notch as usual. I only saw about 10 (only) of them, but they were superb. Great stuff from Rob and Tom as well.

There are some railroads at IRM that just aren't well represented, and the B&O is one. Here's the only car we have there.

Baltimore & Ohio 374065
Builder: Baltimore & Ohio
Year Built: 1925
Length: 44ft 9in
Width: 9ft 10in
Height: 14ft 6in
Weight: 44000 lbs
Brakes: AB
Trucks: Barber/Bettendorf LM
Description: Wagon Top Box Car class M-15N
Photo by Bob Katella


I checked my archives and don't see that I've photographed this car, but as you can see, it's outside, and it's rusting.

I'll try to get back with the last of that CTC article.

Hey ... remember when the reserved seats looked like this?
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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:41 PM
Good evening Leon I'll have a Keith's and here's a couple bucks for a round for those left standing.Oh and a sack of toonies for the herr wurlitzer, gotta keep him fed and well oiled as well. I think I need to hear the Canadian Railroad Trillogy a couple times this evening.[tup][:D]

Tom a good day of info i must say, I see that you've puilled out all the B&O encore stops [tup] good stuff sir. our departure for 48 was unplanned , but sometimes those suprise trips are better than the one's whick are planned for months ahead of time. if only the weather had been better [sign] This weekends supposed to be a beaut oh well, there will be another couple of long weeekends this summer to enjoy. [;)]

Al Holy smokes you must have melted a keyboard or two today. and an RDC book too you say [:O][bow] we are not worthy [:D]

Mike Some fine pictures as always, glad to see you pop in again [tup] That was as good a picture of 50 as I have seen [tup] It wasn't much to look at was it, but it did the job fer sure fer sure [tup]

Doug That boxcar though rusty really is the quintisential B&O piece of rolling stock. they seem to have had a real love affair with the wagon top cars, boxes, reefers and even cabooses. Looks like it just needsa good coat of mineral brown and it would be ready to go, not all bad for a car of it's vintage. i see that you left out Tom's speacial throne / stool in that photo. LOL [swg]


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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:44 AM

ENCORE! Courtesy: www.viarail.ca


We open at 6 AM. (All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


WEDNESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


Mid-week once again! Join us for some fine pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery – a selection from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast – and a cuppa Joe![tup]


Daily Wisdom


It’s the absent who are judged guilty.



Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear –
ENCORE: Chesapeake & Ohio (C&O) -
Arrives Tuesday!



* Weekly Calendar:


TODAY: Toy & Model Trains Day!
Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


SATURDAY, May 27th is West Coast S Dave’s B’day Bash! –
Scheduled for NOON to 4 PM (Pacific) – 3 to 7 PM (Eastern)


MONDAY, May 29th is U.S. Memorial Day!



MVP Award Winners



April 2006 . . . LoveDome Lars



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Comedy Corner

Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)


[:I] This bass player thinks he's a dog, so he calls to talk to a psychiatrist. "Doc, you gotta help me," he says over the phone. "I have this problem, I think I'm a dog. I walk around on all fours, I chase cars, and I pee on the carpet."
"That does sound like a problem," says the doctor. "Come and and see me, I'd like to get you on the couch."
"But I'm not allowed on the couch." [:I]


[:I] Matt's dad picked him up from school to take him to a dental appointment. Knowing the parts for the school play were supposed to be posted today, he asked his son if he got a part. Matt enthusiastically announced that he'd gotten a part. "I play a man who's been married for twenty years!", he said, cheerfully.
"That's great, son. Keep up the good work! Before you know it, they'll give you a speaking part!" [:I]


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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre


NOW SHOWING:

Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, May 21st thru May 27th: The Pink Panther (1964) starring: Peter Sellers, David Niven & Capucine –and- The Odd Couple (1968) starring: Jack Lemon & Walter Mathau. SHORT: Pop Goes the Easel (1935).

COMING ATTRACTIONS:

. . . Sunday, May 28th thru June 2nd: Patton (1970) starring: George C. Scott & Karl Malden –and- The Eagle Has Landed (1977) starring Michael Caine, Robert Duvall & Donald Sutherland. SHORT: Uncivil Warriors (1935).



SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 May 2006, 01:10:55 (338) Tuesday’s Info & 10-Post Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 May 2006, 01:28:25 (338) ENCORE: RR from Yesteryear: B&O

(3) barndad Doug Posted: 23 May 2006, 06:04:09 (338) Comments & CTC is coming

(4) passengerfan Al Posted: 23 May 2006, 07:30:27 (339) Comments & THEME: B&O streamlined sleepers

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 May 2006, 08:33:39 (339) THEME: Fallen Flag – B&O

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 May 2006, 10:36:53 (339) THEME: B&O Strata-Dome Ad

(7) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 23 May 2006, 12:43:28 (339) Inclusive Post

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 23 May 2006, 13:08:09 (339) THEME: Classic Diesels #25 early B&O E’s

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 May 2006, 14:36:17 (339) THEME: B&O Feature Trains Ad

(10) passengerfan Al Posted: 23 May 2006, 15:36:01 (339) THEME: B&O streamlined dome cars

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 May 2006, 18:08:49 (339) THEME: B&O Ad

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 May 2006, 18:21:50 (339) B’day Watch List

(13) passengerfan Al Posted: 23 May 2006, 18:28:50 (339) THEME: B&O streamlined dining & lounge cars

(14) passengerfan Al Posted: 23 May 2006, 19:19:59 (339) Comments & THEME: B&O streamlined head end cars

(15) wanswheel Mike Posted: 23 May 2006, 19:29:14 (339) THEME: B&O narratives & URLs

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 May 2006, 19:51:25 (339) Acknowledgments & Comments

(17) barndad Doug Posted: 23 May 2006, 20:12:38 (339) Comments & THEME Pix, etc.

(18) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 23 May 2006, 23:41:47 (339) Inclusive Post



That’s it![tup][;)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 2:40 AM
Good Early Morning!

A touch of insomnia - woke up and it seems like the day has begun! [%-)]

What was so good about yesterday's efforts were those multiple Posts by the guys - and they were spread throughout the day. That's the way to keep us "up on the Forum!" [tup]

Rob Unplanned getaways are the absolute greatest . . . we're hoping to do the same this summer - unless the temps are oppressive. <ugh>

Winding down as the departure date for Alaska approaches - maybe that's what's on my mind. Hmmmmmm. Must've checked the itinerary a dozen times - still the same! <grin> Had hoped to make the getaway for a longer period of time - perhaps a month - but given our responsibility to Juneau "the wonder Husky" we couldnt do that to him. As it is he's gonna have his "nose out of joint" (go ahead and steal that one, trolleyboy!) with the time away scheduled.

I got through all of those URLs, Mike and must say that you surely know how to keep us all focused . . . nice work, Sir! [tup]

Yes - in case there's anyone out there who didn't pick up on it - yesterday was "THEME day" for the B&O - and believe it or not - there's MORE in the archives! Just ran out of time . . .

Al I'm looking forward to your work regardng the RDC book. Some weeks past you had mentioned that you were going to copy a rather expensive RDC book for me. Did you [?] I believe you had planned to take it to the Rendezvous.

Speaking of Rendezvous are mine the only Pix to be Posted [?]

I'm hoping all is well with Lars and his family - no news is good news. He had told me that his wife insisted that he stay off the computer while away, but it wouldn't surprise me that while visiting with relatives, he'll find a way to 'sneak a Post' or Email . . .

Seems a bit strange around here without coalminer3 CM3 in his morning time slot, eh[?] He should be back with us tomorrow or Friday . . . .

And so . . . Where's Nick [?]

By now, our buddy Wolfman Pete shudda had more than a few Bathams at his favorite hometown pub in Rugby. Another guy sorely missed at the bar. It's not all play for him, as he's got quite a bit of work ahead in getting his house and affairs in order . . . But not to worry, there will be steel wheels on steel rails fer sure, fer sure! [tup]

Hope someone is watching these Summaries & B'day Bash notices. This Saturday is West Coast S Dave's celebration - NOON to 4 PM (Pacific) and I hope a few guys can muster up at least one Post each . . . I'll be away for that period (2 to 6 PM (Central).

Haven't heard a word from jlampke John regarding his Bash for June 3rd. So, if he doesn't pick a time 'n date - let's not forget to at least wish him a [bday]. I'll be in Fairbanks then! [tup]

Sorry to have to say this, but that box car at the IRC looks sad. Doug you need to break out the paint and get a move on! <geesh> At least get the herald put on it . . . [swg]

Don't know if anyone picked up on that URL of the B&O RDC in the unique livery. Looked great, in spite of it not being reflective of the actual paint scheme used. Really different and something the RR should have come up with. [tup]

Finally, Cindy will be tending bar during the days and Leon in the evenings during my absence. Boris will open up the joint at 6 AM and take care of the breakfasts . . . [:O]

Okay boyz - gonna try it again!

Later! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:06 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a Coffee and Crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

Tom You are absolutely right about the copy. I am ordering some additional ink today and soon as it arrives will get busy and copy it for you. I guess I have just been lazy lately getting to used to laying around. Can't wait to get back to work.

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:18 AM
G'day!

Thanx Al!! Looking forward to receiving it . . . [tup]

Now, here's an ENCORE! Part II of my 2005 Canadian Rail Journey . . .

QUOTE: Posted by siberianmo
Posted: 18 May 2005, 14:25:29
Canadian Rail Journey, Part II (initially Posted on page 13)

On Sunday, May 8th (Mother’s Day and VE Day) I set out on my solo round trip from Halifax, Nova Scotia to Ottawa, Ontario via Montreal, Quebec. Arriving at VIA Rail’s Halifax Station in a torrential downpour, the line up for Easterly Class sleepers had just begun.

I noticed a rather large group of people all wearing name tags and my first thought was, “Oh no, a tourist group!” Experiences from past journeys have not all been that pleasant when encountering some of these organized rail trips and I hope this would be different. It was.

It didn’t take long for me to discern the pronunciation of certain words that only people who reside in the St. Louis, MO, USA area can appreciate. The group turned out to be comprised of people from my community and those adjacent to it. The tour director had been my three children’s math teacher in high school and before I realized it, it was “old home week” at the Halifax Station. This particular fellow and I have traveled aboard the same trains, but never as part of his group. He does a good job at ensuring that all goes well, without the intrusiveness experienced with other groups.

On this day, Train #15, the all BUDD consist of 11 cars (1 baggage car, 2 coaches, one Skyline dome car, one dining car, 5 Chateau series sleepers and the Evangeline Park Car (observation dome with 2 lounges and 4 bedrooms) awaited us. Heading up the train were two F40PH’s, numbered 6441 and 6405 respectively. The train was booked full, including the coaches. There was talk of adding another coach at Moncton, NB, however, that didn’t occur as one wasn’t available.

The rain had been falling since Saturday morning and this was monsoon-like. Heading northward towards Truro, the water on either side of the right-of-way was running fast and at times appeared to be very, very close to the roadbed. Sitting in the Park Car dome, the vantage point was sufficient enough to determine the impact of the storm on the country side. Several crossings had police cars blocking them, lights flashing, probably because of roadways under water.

By the time the train wound its way through the great scenery between Truro and Amherst (last stop in Nova Scotia) the rain began to let up. Our arrival in Moncton was only long enough for me to dash out into the rain, take some photo’s and get back aboard for the continuation of the journey. One of my new-found friends from a community not far from where I live, accompanied me and we got more than a few chuckles from the employees all huddled beneath this or that wondering who these “Yay hoos” were with their cameras! Been there, done that before and will undoubtedly do it again! With a refueled train at the ready, the remainder of the trip was enjoyable – as always.

The dining car was jammed for the evening meal – at least a 15 minute wait for a table. Good to see, in that many of my previous trips witnessed near empty situations, even though the trains were rather full. Somehow this all didn’t equate – fewer menu selections, higher prices equals greater demand? Huh? Another delightful meal, some great dinner table chit chat over a couple of Keith’s Pale Ale, then back to the dome. Ahhhhhhh.

Couldn’t handle much more beyond Campbellton, so it was time to hit the sack. I had a single (Roomette) on this journey in the Chateau Brule bedroom car adjacent to the Evangeline Park observation dome car. This single was an “upper,” in that the step down could be a ‘killer’ if one forgot it was there! Happens …. Amazing how every bit of space is wisely planned for ……… a good night’s sleep interrupted only by my curiousness to take a look through the wide window now and then. Some snow on the ground between western New Brunswick and eastern Quebec.

Morning on the “Ocean” began very early for me. I arose at 4 AM – and decided to sit in the Evangeline Park’s dome until our stop at Charny station. While this stop has existed for decades, the feature stop for the “Ocean” was at a place on the south bank of the St. Lawrence Seaway, directly across from Quebec City called Levis. When on the eastbound, the train sat for about 20 minutes, which gave the passengers an incredible view of the ramparts and lights of Quebec City – just wonderful. The westbound got in a bit early (as with Charny), so most times I slept through that ….. About five years ago, the tracks were sold and removed for Condominiums (or so the story goes) and the Levis station faded into history. The ferry connection between Levis and Quebec City lost much of its charm insofar as passenger train travelers were concerned.

At Charny on the westbound, the train backs in, whereas it is the opposite heading east. Took a few minutes to breath in the chilly morning air – chat a bit with crew and just enjoy the beginning of yet another great morning with VIA Rail.

I must say that those continental breakfasts in the Bullet Lounge of the Park Car was sorely missed on this day. I’m a “pill taker” in my advancing age and without something of substance to go with them, the experience can be rather unpleasant. Fortunately, “Joanne,” our attendant, noticed my discomfort and immediately provided me with a few packages of cookies to go with the complimentary juices, coffee, tea and hot chocolate in the Park Car. She’s a “sweetheart” for sure – an “old timer” from our traveling days aboard the “Atlantic,” which used to run between Montreal and Halifax, but took a more southerly route through Maine. A story for another day …….

We arrived in Montreal about 15 minutes early – 8 AM – and I quickly located a place for breakfast within Montreal’s Central Station. Two eggs, sausages, toast and coffee all for $5 (Cdn) – not bad. What a shame that VIA Rail’s decision makers have no clue regarding breakfast aboard the westbound “Ocean.” The Chef is there – the food is there – the attendants are there and the only thing served is the continental breakfast. Pity.

My Ottawa train departed at 10 AM as I settled into my window seat aboard a VIA Rail LRC coach. For such a short journey, I decided against VIA1 service – much more costly. The train makeup consisted of 4 LRC cars – 1 VIA1 and 3 coaches powered by a single Genesis P42 locomotive. Just love the color scheme (livery).

The hour and 35 minutes flew by and before I realized it – there we were, pulling into the station. Ottawa’s VIA Rail station is a beautifully appointed structure – very modern, airy and clean. Bus and taxi service to downtown is readily available and frequent. I took bus #95 to downtown and off I trudged to the newly opened and dedicated War Museum.

The War Museum is located rather far from where the bus driver left me off. Hmmmmmmm, was there a message there? Anyway, I enjoyed the exercise – snapped a bunch of photo’s along the way of the Parliament buildings, Supreme Court and so on. The weather was outstanding – blue skies and temperatures in the mid-70’s (F). Lots of joggers – lots of jiggles and lots to look at! Ahhhhhhhh, young man on the lose in Ottawa! Well, at least mentally!

Arriving at the War Museum about 45 minutes after my bus departure – really – I was taken in by the new structure and those entering and departing it. The day before, VE Day, Ottawa hosted a terrific remembrance for the veterans and many were still around. I made a point of introducing myself to several and I’ll tell you, many misty eyes all ‘round for sure. I digress a bit: During WWII my father was a U.S. Merchant Marine mate and several of his convoys used to make up at Halifax. There was a special bond between those embarked on those voyages – some only made it one way – some didn’t complete the trips – and the lucky ones are still around to talk about it. Yes, a very significant experience for me.…….

To be continued ……….


See y’all later!

Tom (Siberianmo)
Proprietor of “Our” Place

Happy Railroading! Siberianmo

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