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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 4:59 PM
G'day!

Nice to see ya again Lars! And I see Al has made it too! [tup]

Can't imagine the scenario you presented, in that I'm not "into" the behind the scenes aspect of the historical significance of it all. But, now we know what YOU think about, Al. [swg]

Wonder where Pete is today[?] Gotta check back to see if he's been "booked" elsewhere for the day . . . . Also, no word from Ted - hmmmmmmm - but then again, no news is good news - or as they used to say in the "olde west" - "no noose is good news!" [swg]

So, as you can determine - I'm kinda at the end of my rope with words as well! <grin>

Thanks for the rounds . . . . glad you enjoyed the Toy Train Post, Lars! We've had some good stuff today . . . worth an Encore! down the pike . . . .

Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 10:34 PM
Good evening Leon, wake up. I'll have a nice keith's while I put my feet up for the evening.
Slow day but still some pretty good quality posts out there,bit sparce this afternoon and evening at times but we takes what we takes.

Tom Great article on the various and sundry of the large scale trains toy and otherwise. Very informative and well put together as per usual.Do you recall the section on the last couple of pages of Railroad Model Craftsman ? They always had a colume on classic old collectable trains toy and otherwise. Always good info. I haven't bout an RMC in yeasr so I don't know if that page is still run or not.

BK Please thank Lydia with here help in the creation of another fine photo sopread of some interesting european electric train models. ( even the diesels were neat [swg] )I'm bringing in a few cases of Kittling Ridges speacial reserve white wine 1997, Heather and I used it for our wedding really good Ontario wine.Seems a bit better than the H&H I can't believe it's not vinegar that we usually have around here[:O] <grin>I did get your email thanks fopr the response, I will attend to it in a few minutes.

Al It's too late at night for me to dig to deeply into your phillisofical delema on the CB&Q and the UP. Interesting food for thought though.A scary glimpse into the mid of the twenty fingered one to be sure [:O][swg]


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Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, May 4, 2006 12:16 AM
Hi Tom and all.

A bathams XXX please Leon.

Sorry for the lateness I had better get around in for tomorrow.

Great first Toy and Model Trains Day[tup][tup][tup].

MIKE Loved the Lone Ranger comment. Some great links again those old photos are brilliant[tup]. What a great postion that Saloon is in the photo of Keokuk IA looking over the tracks and the map of the Mark Twain Zepher was most helpful. I wonder if they run the Zepher loco #9911 still.

LARS Thanks for the kind words. Good acceptance speech [tup] and great post on the Lionel Diesels. I will have to tell you about St George,s flag

BK Thanks for the Euro model loco pics The 3600 electric loco has a bit of the look of GG1 Pennsy locos.

ROB Great info on the customised E type diesels used on the Q. I wonder if a munufacturer today would be prepared to make those kind of changes to a standard loco. I dont think I will be trusted with digital camera so it will be the old 35mm in England. Good to see you in tonight.

TOM the post on the history of model trains is a great find[yeah] with a lot of new info to me. I had not realised that electric model trains went back to 1897 and the way the different guages developed[tup].

If you were travelling by rail to Ireland from England via Holyhead you would go along the North Wales coast. As the line gets to run near the sea there are stations serving the towns which are holiday resorts. One of these is a town called RHYL, as you approach the station westbound you go under a signal gantry, though with less than half the signal arms it had in the past. The main station building is still quite impressive but where the platforms were, that used to serve the many holidaymakers in summer when vacations were taken by train, is now a large supermarket.

On leaving Rhyl station, after passing a H shaped bridge on the right hand side, is a boating lake, if you are lucky you may see a minature steam train this is the Rhyl Minature Railway.Opened in 1911 it is the oldest UK minature railway.
Rhyl was a favorite place for our vacation when I was a youngster and a ride on the train was a highlight, the train station was in the Fun Fair and took passengers around the boating lake. There is a great web-site, if you have time the history in words is worth a look.
for pics of the locos etc.They have a Gagney of New York built c1910 4-4-0 loco.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~stownsen/rhyl/rhylmain.htm
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 4, 2006 5:22 AM

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Info for the Day:


Railways of Europe #6 –
X2000 of Sweden
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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 May 2006, 05:27:13 (321) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(2) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 03 May 2006, 08:27:56 (321) MVP comments & Lars Report!

(3) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 03 May 2006, 08:28:11 (321) [tup] WVA report, CM3-style & URL!!

(4) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 03 May 2006, 08:41:26 (321) Lionel Diesel locos, etc.

(5) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 May 2006, 09:36:50 (321) Inclusive Post, Count Robulla style!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 May 2006, 10:35:33 (321) Acknowledgments & Comments

(7) BudKarr BK Posted: 03 May 2006, 11:58:45 (321) [tup] Euro Toy Trains & BK Report!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 May 2006, 13:51:36 (321) Toy Train, etc.

(9) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 03 May 2006, 15:29:05 (321) Lars visit!

(10) passengerfan Al Posted: 03 May 2006, 16:13:08 (321) Ponderism!

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 May 2006, 16:59:19 (321) Acknowledgments

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 May 2006, 22:34:41 (322) Count Robulla’s thoughts

(13) pwolfe Pete Posted: 04 May 2006, 00:16:42 (322) Wolfman’s Nite Cap!




That’s it! [tup][;)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 4, 2006 5:24 AM




RAILWAYS of EUROPE #6 – X2000 of Sweden

Arrives this morning!

Watch for it!


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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 4, 2006 7:30 AM
And a hearty good Thursday mornin' to one and all. Tom, maybe a toasted English and a pat of butter to go with a cuppa Joe this beautiful a.m., thanks. I'd like to thank all those with best wishes for a good follow up at the V.A.. The "well wishes" worked like a charm; passing grades all around, thanks again. Hey Lovedomes Lars, congratulations on the MVP award which attests to your positive willingness to keep the "flow" going.[tup] Pete, promotion manager? I haven't apprised myself of all the responsibilities that position entails but am confident you will handle them with dignity and aplomb, good show.[tup] I have only made it as far as Rob's first post on this page (321) which was quite a trek in itself. Passengerfan Als voluminous but much appreciated 3 or 4 part (I forget) treatise on the C.B.Q. caused a bit of a "lock down" on my forward progress. Good luck with getting the "word" published and please let us know when the book will be out.

Please don't anyone be offended if I neglect to mention your specific post. The truth is: I just ain't there yet[V] Mike thank you for the fine mail on the traction side of N. California, i.e. S.N. and Bay Area interurban (radial) related data. The newspaper article is a "keeper." Doug, "Living with Steam" was a direct hit on my Achilles Heel, thanks, I needed that.[^] All those great posts on the Burlington Zephyrs brought my "minds eye" back to Kcity, MO Union Station where, as a lad, I spent many hours transfixed in awe of their arrivals and departures. Hey, what is it about Toy and Model Train Day that still "brings the kid out of us?" I thoroughly enjoyed the generous efforts of Tom and all who made Wednesday a veritable "fountain of youth."[^] This preposterous schedule I've been keeping hasn't let up but believe me the "spirit is willing but the flesh says no."[v] Rob, you were correct in "reading between the lines." I am indeed "up" for our rendesvous and appreciate the mail from you and Tom including helpful travel tips. Until I'm able to pop in again, I bid all of you happy rails now and always. It's off to the I-State today and, oh yes, Tom and Lars I will do as much as possible to "fill in" during the projected absences. Okay Boris, it is your "time to shine." BLAPHT!!! Gadfey, he hit the brass cuspidor.[:(!] So long for now.
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 4, 2006 9:59 AM



RAILWAYS of EUROPE #6 – X2000 of Sweden


Swedish Railways, Statens Järnvägar (SJ)


Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.


X2000

X 2000 is the brand name of Sweden's tilting 200 km/h high-speed train class X2, which is operated by SJ. It was launched in 1990 as a first-class only train with a meal included in the ticket price, and free use of the train's fax machine. It was then the only train in Sweden to have airconditioning and audio sockets. There is a bistro on board that serves snack bar-style dishes.

The trains were initially used sparingly to avoid breakdowns. Starting 1995, the trains were used more intensively and second class was introduced.


X2000 train used by SJ AB of Sweden (Wikimedia Commons)

Though the top speed of 200 km/h is unremarkable internationally, X 2000 deserves the reputation as a high-speed train since it cut journey times by about a quarter, enough to be competitive with airlines on many major routes. It typically averages about 150 km/h.

In 2000-2004, seven trains were operated by Linx on the lines Oslo-Göteborg-Malmö-København and Oslo-Stockholm. Linx was a joint venture between SJ and its Norwegian counterpart NSB. It was wound up when SJ wanted to move the trains to more profitable lines in Sweden. Low-fares airlines also played a part in siphoning off passengers from the comparatively slow Linx services, the main ones taking well in excess of three hours.

All trains are being equipped with w-lan wireless internet and repainted grey as of 2005. Trains are also being fitted with repeaters to improve mobile phone reception.

Impact on the Railway

The train has had a major impact on SJ and the country's railway. More passengers, together with the lower operating costs associated with operating trains faster and more efficiently, helped SJ become profitable.

It also proved that rail is a viable solution not just in exotic foreign countries, but also at home in Sweden. In 1991, the government started a massive investment program, spending 5-10 billion crowns annually on improvements to the rail network. The program continues today and is being accelerated. A milestone was reached in the late nineties when the number of trips taken by train in Sweden exceeded the 1940s level for the first time.

New links built since 1990 include the Øresund bridge, the Arlanda Airport link, and the 80 km long Svealand line (Stockholm)-Södertälje-Eskilstuna. The X 2000 train undoubtedly contributed to building public support for these large projects.

X 2000 Routes

The X 2000 network radiates out from Stockholm, with the exception of the Göteborg-Malmö route. The other endpoints of the network are:

• Borås
• Copenhagen (København in Denmark)
• Falun
• Gothenburg (Göteborg)
• Härnösand
• Nässjö
• Karlstad
• Uddevalla

SJ AB



Type: Goverment enterprise

Founded: 2001 (1856)

Location: Sweden

Website: www.sj.se

SJ AB (Swedish Railways, Statens Järnvägar, commonly known as SJ) is a Swedish government owned public transport on railway operator. SJ was created in 2001, out of the public transport division of Statens Järnvägar, literally the Swedish "State Railways", when the former Government agency was divided into six separate government owned limited companies. SJ operates a number of different train systems such as the high speed train X2000 and Regina, although most of the trains are still drawn by the 1960s RC-locomotive to serve its customers.


X2000 train (GNU Free Documentation)


One of SJs' regional double deckers (Wikimedia Commons)


Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.

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Additional information from other sources:

The first high-speed tilting train, X 2000, was delivered to SJ (Swedish State Railways) during 1990 for service on the Stockholm - Gothenburg route.

Traveling time for this route was reduced by more than 25 percent only with minor upgrading of the infrastructure. Today, X 2000 trains are running in revenue service on most major lines in Sweden with similar results.

The key to increased speeds lie in the radially self-steering bogies whereby track forces are reduced, allowing a substantial increase in operating speed on straight track and up to 50 percent higher speed through curves. Microprocessor-controlled, active passenger car tilting technology assures passenger comfort in curves.

The X 2000 is capable of meeting a wide range of traffic needs. Standard train configurations are a power car and four, five or six passenger coaches including a buffet car and a driving trailer. With two power cars and 16 passenger coaches the train can carry up to 1600 passengers.

A Chinese version of the X 2000, called Xinshisu, has been in service since 1998.

Some Facts on the Swedish High Speed Train X2000
by Anders Ekberg

This text is based on the paper "Snabba tåg i Sverige"[1]

Background

As early as in the '60:s a first evaluation of the possibilities of high speed trains in Sweden were made. The results were presented in 1969 [2].

The major problem with high speed trains in Sweden was the radii of curvature. On most tracks, curves with radius as low as 600 m were occurring on long sections of the track. The choice, if you like to increase the speed, is then whether you shall straighten the track or develop a train that can travel fast in curves. Due to the relatively sparse population in Sweden, the first alternative was considered to be too expensive. Therefore, in 1969, the first trials were carried out with a tilting train (a modified X1).

In 1975, trials with a prototype tilting train (X15) were carried out. The train reached a maximum speed of 238 km/h.

In 1980, a second evaluation of high speed trains in Sweden was presented [3]. In 1986, a contract regarding the delivery of 20 high speed trains, was signed by the state railways and ASEA (present ABB). The first set was tried out on the line Stockholm - Göteborg in 1989. It traveled the distance in 2h 54 min.

Finally, at the 4th of September 1990, Sweden becomes the eighth country in the world with regular train traffic in 200 km/h. The first train left Stockholm station at 06.33 and arrived in Göteborg at 10.07.

Data on the High Speed Train X2000

The Train

The train consists of a power unit, three passenger cars, a bistro car and a cab car. The train is operated from the power unit while traveling in one direction, and from the cab car during traffic in the other direction. The length of the train is 140m. The weight is 340 tonnes and the axle loads vary from 12 tonnes (passenger car) to 18 tonnes (power unit).

The maximum speed of the standard train is 210 km/h, but the highest speed allowed (due to railway regulations) is 200 km/h. The train can accelerate from 0 - 200 km/h in 3,8 minutes (which is about 8 km). With full service braking, the train can pull to a full stop from 200 km/h in 1,75 km.

The Concept of a Tilting Train

The tilting is controlled by a sensor in the frontmost boggie. The signal is processed in a low-pass-filter to avoid influence of short track irregularities. The main effect of the tilting car is that the lateral acceleration in the passenger cars is severely reduced. This will give an increased traveling comfort. However, the forces acting between wheel and rail are not particularly altered.

All cars, except for the power unit, is tiltable. The largest effective tilting (in relation to the track) is 6,5 degrees. This will eliminate about 80% of the lateral acceleration for the passengers. The delay of the tilting (compared to the lateral acceleration) is 0,8 s.

Required Modifications of the Railway

As for the track, no particular modifications were necessary. However, since the tilting of the train is depending on the track geometry, it is of especial interest that this geometry is correct. After a while, some passengers reported that they were being seasick. This problem could be linked to the occurrence of long track irregularities and measures were taken to prevent these irregularities.

The prestress of the electrical feeders had to be increased in order to prevent large vibrations due to the high speeds. Also, some modifications had to be made to assure that a high effect could be distributed during a long period of time. Since X2000 refeeds electricity to the feeders, some additional modifications had to be made.

As for the signaling system, some modifications were made. Most of these in order to allow the trains to travel at a higher speed. Such modifications were the increase of the signaling distance (e.g. in front of a road x-ing). Also a new signaling system (ATC2), which allowed different signaling distances for different types of trains, were introduced. This has the advantage that the road x-ing does not have to be occupied for a longer time even if a slow freight train is passing.

Finally, several road crossings has to be removed. This is not due to any technical problems, but done in order to increase security. The protection on the remaining crossings are highly increased.

Literature

[1] Gunnarsson U. and J. Wrangö, Snabba tåg i Sverige,
1991, Banverket
[2] SJ ASJ SAAB SAB, Höga hastigheter i SJ persontrafik - Tekniska förutsättningar, 1969, SJ
[3] SJ, SJ snabbtågsprojekt, 1980, SJ-Utredning

Update

The x2000 has not only achieved 238 km/h; in 1993, on the 21st of July, at 15:30, it averaged 275,7 km/h over one kilometre on the new track between Hamra and Breås on the West Coast railway Göteborg-Malmö. The test train went from Varberg to Falkenberg in 11 minutes (normally 16 minutes).
The record train was composed of two powered units (usually one) and three passenger units (usually four to six). The new stretch of track has a smallest curve radius of 2,5 km.

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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


Did you miss any of the first five in the series[?] Click on the URLs:

(1) British Rail, page 247
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=247&TOPIC_ID=35270

(2) Eurostar, page 248
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=248&TOPIC_ID=35270

(3) TGV of France, page 255
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=255&TOPIC_ID=35270

(4) ICE Train of Germany, page 270
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=270&TOPIC_ID=35270

(5) Irish Rail, page 279
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=279&TOPIC_ID=35270







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Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, May 4, 2006 10:10 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Lars - Lionel diesel material was a nice summary. I never had any of the F units, but we did run geeps on the layout.

Tom - "Sorry" abt. the URL - but, in my defense, I did warn folks that there was lot of material in there (LOL). Also, many thanks for posting the material/chart on different scales sizes - nice to have that all in one place. Then we have today's post on the X2000 which always evokes my "we can put people on the moon..." response - lovely equipment.

BK - Nice set of model pictures - Eric Fuchs Hobbies in Boston used to have a lot of that material on display. It was fun to look at but way beyond my pocketbook.

Al - I can see it now: the "City of Everysilver" bursting out of the Hermosa Tunnel.

Pete - Interesting URL and some nostalgia as well.

Here's something for our 'steamed proprietor and others in the heartland. This is from approx 40 yrs ago.

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Route TRRA When Speed and Service Are Important To You

Serving the Gateway to the west and southwest, TRRA offers:

-Access to more than 400 St. Louis industries located on 341 miles of right of way.
-Direct connections with the 16 trunklines and three switching lines which serve the St.Louis-East St. Louis gateway as well as with the Federal and Mississippi Valley Barge Lines.
-Six classification yards, an icing ststion and 16 public delivery yards served by a fleet of 101 powerful radio equipped Diesel locomotives.
-Four hours of less service through the Gateway with pre-blocked movements.
-Professional counsel and assistance in obtaining ideal industrial locations.
-The services of a team of 3000 traine personnel, all ready to move your shipment into, through or from the St. Louis Gateway with speed, safety and dependability.

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Posted by BudKarr on Thursday, May 4, 2006 10:54 AM
Good Morning Captain Tom and all assembled!


A bit early for me, however, I have found that taking advantage of these “free moments” is more practical than planning for one. Somehow, the best of plans . . . . [swg]

This day, I would like a large mug of your fine coffee, with just a “splash” of something to make it different! Perhaps two of those turnovers from the pastry case – that will do for the time being. A round of “OJ” for the house! Boris the chimes if you please! [tup]


I see there was quite a gap in yesterday’s postings. According to the “Summary” no customers between 16:13 and 22:34 makes it a 6 hour rather lonely place for our Proprietor and his erstwhile, Barman Leon. It appears we simply do not have the “pool” to draw from with which to keep things active throughout the “business day.”

Your emails on the absences have been received – and although you are not seeking responses – for what it is worth, I will help as best I can up until my planned absence! The idea of people taking certain time slots makes great sense – Sirs CM3 & Lars seem to have that figured out quite well! [tup]

Thank you for the kind words regarding my submission of yesterday – the credit goes to My Lady Lydia! [swg] [tup] We will try to have another prepared for next week and pass it on to Sir Lars for posting at the appropriate time.

The “Toy & Model Trains” day provided some fine material and I would think the change of name did little to dampen the enthusiasm. Good show for all who took part! [tup]

So, the Toronto Rendezvous is a week off, eh[?] This time next week, my guess is Sirs Tom & Ted will be winging their ways north. For a brief period I had hoped to surprise you all by attending – if not all of the festivities – at least the Friday session. Unfortunately – or fortunately, depending on your point of view – my “new life” along with our wedding took precedence. No doubt you will all have a simply wonderful time and I look forward to the “report” once I return from our trip and navigate my way through the back pages. [tup]

Sir Ted - A clean bill of health is always a welcome endorsement, but especially so given the gravity of what you experienced. Secondarily, my guess is you are also relieved in that there will not be any “baggage” to carry northward regarding any medical issues. [tup]

Thank you, Sir Rob for the gift of wine – a far better choice than the concoction of your “H&H” duo. I have heard it said that their beverage is suitable only for the unclogging of sink drains! [swg]

Sir Pete You have quite the eye for detail. I had no recollection of what a GG-1 is or was. But once researched, you are correct – there is a resemblance between it and the 3600 electric – center cab placement as opposed to one at either end is the most significant difference. (My, my – I am sounding more the Aficionado than ever before!)

Sir Coalminer Yes, those European “toys” are rather on the expensive side. All of the sites we visited had the prices in Euro’s or local currency, so I did not bother to provide that aspect of data. They do look good though and I appreciate the attention to detail that this hobby draws out. Always have admired any craftsman who can replicate to exact detail, a “thing” from real life. Talent I surely do not possess.

A bit of sadness in the air this morning as our “local” entry in the hockey league Stanley Cup playoffs found themselves eliminated last night 3-0 to the team from Anaheim. The Flames of Calgary were expected to do far better. Seems that in sports, the expectations are always high. Then again, my “credo” of sorts has always been to strive for the top rung in no matter what one does. To set lower goals gets you what you deserve.


Now, I have found a previous posting of mine that will compliment all of Captain Tom’s efforts with regard to the “X2000.” Hope you enjoy it the second time around from way back on page 149:


QUOTE: Posted by BudKarr
Posted: 28 Oct 2005, 14:25:21

My story involves a trip between Göteborg and Stockholm, Sweden back in the mid-90s aboard the "tilt train" referred to as the X2000.

My memory is not quite as vivid as many of you out there who thrive on these kinds of recollections. I prefer rail travel, but am not what one may consider to be a rail fan nor am I a hobbyist. Mine is to use that mode for travel when it best fits into the time I have available.

X2000 provides all types of innovative approaches to passenger rail travel, many of which have since been incorporated elsewhere. For example: Automatic Train Control which can stop the train should a signal "back" not be received; Parking brakes and anti-slip devices that are electronic in operation; magnetic emergency braking that can stop a speeding train at 125 mph in about 3/4 of a mile; asynchronous traction motors used to power the car's four axles; and of course the "tilt" mechanism that kicks in when rounding curves.

The consist we had that particular run featured the locomotive and I believe 5 or 6 cars, each with specific interior designs and purposes. I traveled in First Class in the 2nd car back from the locomotive - I think.

I recall the cars being "done" rather fashionably, although a bit on the "plastic" side - sterile might be a better word. Some passengers appeared to be a bit uncomfortable with the motion of the car, causing a feeling of "sea sickness." Fortunately, no one found a reason to experience projectile vomiting in the car I traveled in!

My recollection is that I had no dificulty navigating the passageways heading to and from other cars, asI visited the bar car a few times to sample the Swedish brew and other delights. I could have waited for the on board Hostess, but wanted to stretch my legs during that just a bit under 4 hour journey.

I do not wi***o make comparisons with other trains, such as the French TGV or German ICE, etc. The X2000 is a distinctive engineering accomplishment and stands alone in my mind as worth the expense of time and money.

The Swedish countryside seemed to zip by and as I had read from someone's Post elsewhere - looking from the window was as is a slide show was taking place. They advertised the speeds in excess of 100 mph, perhaps even 125. All I can report is that we were moving and moving quite well. The ride was fine and stops minimal.

Today, as I understand it, the X2000 runs link most of Sweden's major cities. I travel to that part of the world rather frequently, but have not availed myself of a repeat train trip. Next time, I plan to.




As my “bookend” says, “Until the next time!


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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 4, 2006 11:47 AM
G’day Gents!


A brief round of acknowledgments, as mid-day approaches:

Rob ‘n Pete Thanx for the late nite visits! Was beginning to think that everyone knew something about a “party” elsewhere, but me! [swg] Really a strange late afternoon and night.

Rob My RR library of magazines has only one issue of Railroad Model Craftsman and I believe it arrived in our home several decades back as a “mistake.” My “Model Railroader” failed to arrive in the mail, and one of my kids picked up this particular magazine by mistake. [swg]

Pete Always appreciate your visits and can’t stress this enough – we’re surely going to miss you for that getaway of yours! [tdn]


CM3 St. Louis Terminal RR is still going strong, but of course nothing like the glory days of your Post. Good stuff! [tup]

I use that phrase, “We can put people on the Moon . . . . “ somehow always “fits” into a given situation. One of the most interesting train books that I’ve read is called, “Superliner” by Joseph Vranich – subtitle: Solutions to America’s Transportation Gridlock. Copyright of 1991, this book is still valid in today’s situation.



Anyway, from the dustcover:

QUOTE: We put a man on the moon, we put in artificial hearts, and we amzed the world with our weaponry in the Persian Gulf. Now, Joe Vranich in Supertrains shows how we’re going almost to missile-speed all passengers, even lawyer, across this great country. Great, informative, intelligent, actual and prognostic reading!
– Melvin M. Belli, Sr.


Thanx for the round & quarters! [tup]


Where’s Al[?] Hasn’t shown up over on “my other Thread,” which is most unusual for him! Hmmmmmmmm.


Ted”Dittos” on the clean bill of health! [tup] Glad you were able to enjoy the Posts from yesterday’s Toys & Model Trains Day! We do have a great place to unwind while trying to put to rest the trials and tribulations of everyday life . . . Two things ‘do it for me’ trains and music. It’s a “win-win” to put them together! [tup]


BK That’s quite a nice Post you’ve provided the gang this morning! Many thanx for it, the “Encore!” and the round! [tup][tup][tup] Your demonstrated willingness to support the bar is very much appreciated! [yeah]


I’ve sent an “update” to all concerned regarding the Planned Absences – the list grows longer each day! I appreciate the responses – however – they are not necessary or expected. It’s simply as stated in the E-mail. Thanx! [tup]


Okay boyz – I expect to be here for the day! Belly up to the bar and place those orders! [swg]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, May 4, 2006 2:16 PM
G'day Kaptian Tom and whoever may come by!

A cold, frosty draught, if you please!! Make it two . . . I'm thristy! [tup] And, I'll take a 1 ft hero - ham, Swiss, buttAH & mustAHd, with 2 large pickles from the barrel. A saucer of brine for the rodent Armadillo! [swg] Ok - one for you too, Boris! <good grief!>

Good job with the X2000 of Sweden! "Ya sure, it's a gudun!" [swg] [tup][tup][tup]

Once again my "bookend" suprised us by providing an excellent compliment to the "European Railways" submission by Tom. Very good idea to come up with the ENCORE! - a good fit! [tup][tup]

Thanks for bringing up that "Supertrains" book again - I kept meaning to order it, and now I have! Barnes & Nobel have it available in soft cover . . . [tup]

Hello's to Coalminer3 (I'm not Shane!), etc. - Ted - Pete & Rob (from last night)! [tup]

Thanks for the recognition, Bear Man! Much appreciated! [swg]

Lets see - the continuing flow of email traffic deserves mention: got a few - sent a few! [swg]

Just checked out that revised list of "Planned Absences" and it sure looks like we're gonna be hurtin' for awhile. Honestly feel that if those remaining behind make a concerted effort to pick a time slot - the bar will be just fine. Sure would hate to see it fade away . . .

Hate to bring it up, but what in the world is going on with the Cardinals [?] Don't get to view 'em very much on the tube - but from what I've read, the pitching seems to have given up on 'em. "My man" Marquis hasn't been very effective for his last 3 starts, and that's a bummer. I do root for the "Red Birds of St. Louis" as my 2nd choice in the NL! [swg] As you know, my Mets seem to be rolling along nicely. [tup]

Here's a couple of pix to help out with the X2000 "theme" . . . . (I know it's not really a "theme" - but close enuf, huh[?])

Sweden X2000 (SJ AB) (photo credit: unknown)


Sweden X2000 (SJ AB) (photo credit: unknown)



Until the next time!

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Posted by wanswheel on Thursday, May 4, 2006 3:17 PM
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.

Urlmonster adds to the pile. I'll never get to Europe, much less Sweden, but Ingrid Bergman was great in Casablanca.

STOCKHOLM
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/se/electric/emu/X2000/Stockholm/P1190113.jpg

SUNDSVALL
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/se/electric/emu/X2000/misc/P1200120.jpg

ALVESTA
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/se/electric/emu/X2000/misc/P1010351.jpg

OSLO Airport express class 71 & LINX X-2000 from Stockholm. Joint venture, Norwegian, Swedish and Danish Railways to the capitals of the three countries.
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/no/electric/emu/BM71/Highspeed.jpg

LINX X2000 + SJ X2000 in København H (Copenhagen?)
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/se/private/Linx/P1240008.jpg

ENTRANCE
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/se/electric/emu/X2000/Stockholm/SJ_X2000_door_st1.jpg

ENGINEER
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/se/electric/emu/X2000/interior/P1010310.jpg

OFF-TOPIC (everything I know about locks and dams)
http://www.mvr.usace.army.mil/missriver/VC%20Page/LDTour/Tour.HTM

Ted, have a great trip and send me a postcard.

CM3, thanks for the Kix in your Post, the link to Sugar Crisps was a hoot, especially the comics page FIn Fang Foom

Doug, I meant to say before, the story about the Illinoys boys getting first-hand Steam experience growing up near Chicago was great.

Al, I don't think the UP would have a case against the SAL. Silver is an element, untrademarkable. But I can imagine the UP suing the New York Central for putting Harriman on its timetable.

Rob, you're not supposed to know about the Lone Ranger & Tonto, you weren't even born yet.
It is amazing how many famous Americans are actually Canadian. Like John Kenneth Galbraith, who was very old, 97, very tall, 6-foot-8, and very original - he invented the term "conventional wisdom". Grew up in Dunwich township in southern Ontario, graduated University of Toronto.

Pete, those little locos are cute. I think the Cagney would make better time if the grown-ups aboard would get off and walk.

BK, the Railion looks so authentic. Even the weeds look real.

Lars, did you know Rogers Hornsby was New York Mets batting coach in 1962?
http://www.hornsbybend.com/Rogers%20Hornsby/Rogers%20Hornsby%20Photo%20Gallery/pages/zRogers%20as%20Batting%20Coach%20for%20Mets_jpg_jpg.htm
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Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, May 4, 2006 4:21 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of the Bathams and a round please.

TOM Great details on the Swedish X2000 tilting train. It seems that if there is the will to build good trains and provide a good service people will return to rail travel.

ASEA who provided the motors for the X2000 also provided them for the short lived pre-production BR APT tilting train which was a little before its time.
Not too sure about the improving the mobile phone reception. I hope that they have Quiet cars as in some BR high speed trains where the phones and personal stereos are banned.

BK Thanks for the great personal experience of X 2000 travel encore. They seem simular inside to the Virgin Pendelinos. I had experience of the Pendelinos now they are operating in tilt mode and its very hard to tell when they are tilting it was only watching the moon one night through the window to see how much it was tilting.
It was not that long ago I did not know the different N. American loco classes after a few months at OUR PLACE it is becoming a lot clearer although I still have along way to go.

LARS Great X2000 photos [tup]. I am hoping to be able to get on line and keep in touch with you all at Our place at least some of the time I am in England.

CM3 Glad you liked the link. Interesting on the TRRA of St Louis 40 years ago. While we was at the Cards v Cubs baseball a couple if weeks ago where I was at Busch Stadium it overlooked some of the rail lines. There were 4 smaller locos which hauled a frieght out of the yards they seemed in a dark blue and yellow livery and the logo on the side looked very simular to the Chicago & North Western although it was getting dark at the time. The locos were numbered in the 1500 series. They must have worked a short trip as a while later they were back in the yards by the Amtrak station. I wonder if these locos were working for the modern TRRA?
TED Very glad every thing was OK at the V.A.[tup].

Your so right about how The TOY and MODEL TRAIN day stripped the years away.
I was looking at the web site on the Rhyl Minature Railway to put in a post when, in the history in words section, it described the " Station was always surrounded by steam" and honestly 40 + years disappeared and I could smell that steam again and remember the locos pulling out of the station across the crossing. Unbelieveable. Although doing the post at near midnight may have had something to do with it.

MIKE I will send this post and look at your links. The Gagney looks a powerful loco for her size.

TOM Good comedy corner today. I know I shall miss Our place, as I said to Lars I hope to get on a puter over there. PETE.
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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, May 4, 2006 6:56 PM
Good Afternoon Tom, Time for a CR and a round for the house.

This AM went to the doc and he said everything looks fine. I said if that is the case send a younger nurse to my place.

Sorry i cant contribute much to the Hi-Speed Rail overseas, I have two three inch binders with info on this very subject that I have to find the time to go through. Will probably take it to the Bro in laws on Saturday so will have something to do over their besides watch the idiot box.

Envious of BK and his travels on the X2000.

High Speed Rail is kind of on hold in California for the present as we have much levee work to be completed before November (Election)

Gasoline in Sacramento as of this AM was average 3.26 for regular. And it seems to be jumping a nickel or more daily. Yestyerday was 3.18 average for regular.

BART reporting since gasoline began to climb ridership on bay are system growing by 1200 passengers daily.

ACE trains seeing big increase in ridership and now beginning next week second train in AM from Stockton will double back for a second trip from Livermore. Reports they are already seeking to buy additional equipment.

Both Sacramento and Stockton purchasing new hydrogen powered buses.

Amtrak California seeing exceptional growth at the present time. Problem is UP not to friendly to expanding service over their lines. The San Joaquins that operate between the Bay area and Bakersfield over BNSF have mean't with better reception but their is much trackwork expansion and upgrading planned for this line this summer.

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 4, 2006 7:36 PM
G’day Gents!

Nice to see some visitors this afternoon – Lars – Mike – Pete ‘n Al – thanx for the Posts! [tup]

Really appreciate the diversity of the information provided – we cover all the bases ‘round this joint, eh[?] [swg]

Appreciate the Pix, Lars – nice “fit” for the X2000 material . . . . Also, can’t tell ya what’s “wrong” with the Cardinals without making it sound like an excuse. All teams go through it – more or less – injuries, slumps, out of synch – and how about: tough opposition[?] Happens! Yes – YOUR Mets are doing real well.

Somewhere along the line I failed to mention that we’re going to see the Cards vs Mets on Thursday, May 18th – got some GREAT tix – I mean GREAT: behind the Cards dugout about 12 rows up . . . [wow] Should be a nice afternoon for us. Sorry, Mate – but I hope YOUR team gets thumped! [swg]


Only comment I have for URLMEister Monster is [wow] [tup][tup][tup]


Wolfman Interesting observation of those CNW locos – you were supposed to be watching the ball game!! [swg] Anyway, can’t help you with the “reason” they were down in StL . . . that’s more involved than I’m prepared to be. Never really been a “train watcher” – or whatever they may be called these days . . .


20 Fingers You seem to have given the hands a break today. These “Euro” submissions every now ‘n then aren’t meant to “lock up the day” for nothing else. Feel free to provide anything you’d like – some Pennsy “stuff” would do just fine! [swg]

Got a kick out of your comment regarding a younger nurse – [yeah] the spirit may be willing, but how about the associated “parts”[?] <grin>

Nice update on the California rail situations . . . . [tup]


Okay boyz – this is supposed to be our Fish ‘n Chips Nite and there haven’t been any “takers.” <groan>


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Posted by nickinwestwales on Thursday, May 4, 2006 8:19 PM
Gentlemen all,good evening,it would seem that I have fed you false information-[4-:)][oX)] TOM ,a round for the house whilst I make my apologies and explain further
T he V.o.R opened in 1903 with 3 engines-#1&2 were 2-6-2 tank engines built by Davies & Metcalfe-apparently the only engines they ever built whilst #3 was a small Bagnall 2-4-0t purchased from the contractors-when the G.W.R inherited the line in 1923 it was assessed as needing 3 new engines-the money people would only agree to two-they finally settled on `two complete engines,plus spares`-the new engines were assembled in 1923 and entered service as #7 `Owain Glyndwr` & #8` Llewyllin`,the following year #2 `Prince of wales` was despatched to Swindon for re-building along with #3 `Rheidol` fo scrapping-according to the urban myth #2 was rebuilt as #9 and re-entered service.
In fact,the only part of #2 to survive is the nameplate.
The `spares` mentioned above were all the parts needed to build a complete engine-#2 disappeared into the works never to draw steam again and miraculassly #9 emerged.
The other original engine,Edward v11,was little used after 1923,was withdrawn in 1931and cut up about 1935
have a good one chaps,see you all soon
moonlight mile time again ,[C=:-)]
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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, May 4, 2006 8:52 PM
Good Evening Tom and the rest of the gang Time for a CR and a round for the house.

I guess I meant a nurse that wasn't approaching 300 lbs, Would settle for something more pleasant on the eyes. Doctor said she was in the war. My guess is he meant as a Main battle tank in Desert Storm.

Found this on the Pennsy just for you.

PENNSYLVANIA

For the size or the PRR they owned surprisingly few lightweight streamlined head end cars. The PRR Altoona Shops modernized many heavyweight head end cars for service in the streamliners of the PRR but no actual streamlined head cars were ever built for the PRR’s most famous train the BROADWAY LIMITED. The PRR instead modernized heavyweights for the BROADWAY LIMITED and many other named trains.
The Altoona Shops of the PRR fully streamlined a number of heavyweight head end cars before and during WW II for their trains.
The first of the streamlined heavy-weight head end cars were a pair of Baggage Buffet 27 seat Lounge cars for the all coach TRAIL BLAZER between Chicago and New York overnight. The two cars 4931 and 4950 retained their original numbers after rebuilding to streamlined cars. The PRR Altoona Shops completed the work on the two cars in mid July 1939 in time for the trains July 28, 1939 inaugural.

BAGGAGE BUFFET 27 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Streamlined by PRR Shops July 1939 (Rebuilt and streamlined for TRAIL BLAZER)

4931, 4950

Three additional rebuilt streamlined heavyweight head end cars were delivered by Altoona Shops in July 1939 for the much delayed new JEFFERSONIAN a new all coach train between St. Louis and New York finally inaugurated April 27, 1941. These three cars were Baggage 16 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 seat Lounge Cars 6701 – 6703. These three cars were assigned to the ADMIRAL until the new JEFFERSONIAN entered service. Postwar these three cars were assigned to the PENN TEXAS between New York and St. Louis.

BAGGAGE 16 CREW DORMITORY BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Streamlined by PRR Shops July 1939 (Rebuilt and streamlined for JEFFERSONIAN)

6701 – 6703

The PRR inaugurated an all-new Budd built seven car Coach streamlined between Chicago and Miami on an every third day schedule on December 19, 1940. The new train named the SOUTH WIND operated over PRR rails between Chicago and Louisville and was forwarded on to Miami by other roads the NC&STL. L&N, ACL, and FEC. The new Budd built streamliner was hardly recognizable as a Budd built product as it was delivered with a coat of PRR Tuscan red covering the gleaming stainless steel finish. The first car in the new train was a Baggage 16 Crew Dormitory 18 revenue seat Coach Combination numbered 6700. The cars for the new train were all delivered by Budd in late November 1940.

BAGGAGE 16 CREW DORMITORY 18 REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATION Budd Company November 1940 (Built for and assigned to SOUTH WIND)

6700

In March 1942 the PRR Altoona Shops turned out three Baggage 16 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 seat Lounge cars numbered 6704 – 6706 identical to the earlier three for the JEFFERSONIAN. These three were assigned to the St. Louis – New York all Pullman SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS.
That same month the Altoona shops released seven-streamlined Baggage 36 revenue seat Coach Combinations 5100 – 5106 rebuilt from heavyweights. The cars were assigned to General Service but were most often found in trains operating in the New York – Washington corridor.

BAGGAGE 16 CREW DORMITORY BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops March 1942 (Rebuilt and streamlined for SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS)

6704 – 6706

BAGGAGE 36 REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops March 1942 (Rebuilt and streamlined for General Service)

5100 – 5106

In 1943 the PRR Altoona Shops streamlined eight additional head end cars. Six of these cars were Baggage 36 revenue seat Coach Combinations 5107 – 5112 out shopped between January and April, 1943 and assigned to General Service mostly in trains operating in the New York – Washington corridor.
The other two head end cars out shopped by Altoona in June 1943 were a pair of Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory cars 6707, 6708 for assignment to the New York Chicago GENERAL.

BAGGAGE 36 REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops January – April 1943 (Rebuilt for and assigned to General Service)

5107 – 5112

BAGGAGE 22 CREW DORMITORY CARS Rebuilt and streamlined by Altoona Shops June 1943 (Rebuilt for and assigned to GENERAL)

6707, 6708

Following WW II the PRR not only placed large orders for new postwar cars from Budd, Pullman Standard and American Car & Foundry but from there own Altoona Shops they ordered their first new cars that were not rebuilds from heavyweights. In September – October 1947 the Altoona Shops delivered five new-streamlined Baggage Buffet 27 seat Lounge cars 6695 - 6699 for assignment to the TRAIL BLAZER and JEFFERSONIAN.

BAGGAGE BUFFET 27 SEAT LOUNGE CARS PRR Altoona Shops September – October 1947 (Built for and assigned to TRAIL BLAZER – JEFFERSONIAN)

6695 – 6699

American Car & Foundry delivered four Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory cars in April 1948 numbered 6691 – 6694. These four cars were assigned two each to consists of the ADMIRAL and two each to consists of the LIBERTY LIMITED. These were the last new head end cars ever built for the PRR.

BAGGAGE 22 CREW DORMITORY CARS American Car & Foundry April 1948 (Built for and assigned to ADMIRAL and LIBERTY LIMITED)

6691 – 6694

In 1964-1965 the PRR Altoona shops remodeled five of these postwar streamlined head end cars into Baggage 60’ Railway Post Office cars for assignment to the Northeast Corridor. All cars were assigned new 6500 series numbers after rebuilding to Baggage 60’ Railway Post Office Cars as follows:

JUNE 1964

6595 originally PRR 6692

SEPTEMBER 1964

6596 originally PRR 6691

OCTOBER 1964

6597 originally PRR 6693

DECEMBER 1964

6598 originally PRR 6694

FEBRUARY 1964

6599 originally PRR 6696

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 4, 2006 9:21 PM
Good Evening Gents!

I'll have a Keiths Ale Leon and a round for the guys at the bar! [tup] Boris ring 'er up! [tup]

Couldn't pass up the opportunity of greeting Nick 'n Al - good to see the both of you! [tup]

Details, details - will bite ya in the caboose (van) each 'n every time, eh Nick[?] [swg]

Nice one, Al Pennsy and just for Moi! [tup][tup] Many thanx!

I guess many of you are confused - here I've been pretty much focused on the CP 'n VIA Rail thereby making some of you think they are my favorites. Well they are - but the numero uno road of 'em all for me is the PRR - just love those memories and still can "see" those beautfiul trains! [yeah] GG-1s "rule!!" [swg]

Pennsy GG-1 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Thanks for the rounds and have a g'nite! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by EricX2000 on Friday, May 5, 2006 1:10 AM
Found this thread that partly is about the X2000. If you want to see pictures of the X2000 in US 1992-93, you can try my site:
[http://homepage.mac.com/ericx2000/PhotoAlbum1.html]

Sorry to say, but the text is all in Swedish. The reason is that I did not expect any interest here in the US so I made it all in Swedish.
Maybe I should make it in English as well. Anyway, there is not much text in the first place but a lot of pictures. [:)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, May 5, 2006 5:37 AM


courtesy: www.trainweb.org

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hands him another handful of peanuts.

She repeats this gesture about five more times. When she is about to hand him another batch again he asks the little old lady,

"Why don't you eat the peanuts yourself?".

"We can't chew them because we've no teeth", she replied.

The puzzled driver asks,

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The old lady replied,

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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 May 2006, 05:22:29 (322) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 May 2006, 05:24:21 (322) Rwys of Europe – Ad

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 04 May 2006, 07:30:31 (322) [tup] Bearman’s Inclusive Post!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 May 2006, 09:59:58 (322) Railways of Europe #6 – X2000 of Sweden

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 04 May 2006, 10:10:36 (322) WVA Report & StL Terminal Rwy!

(6) BudKarr BK Posted: 04 May 2006, 10:54:02 (322) BK Report & Encore: X2000

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 May 2006, 11:47:47 (322) Acknowledgments & Comments

(8) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 04 May 2006, 14:16:20 (322) Lars Report & 2 Pix!

(9) wanswheel Mike Posted: 04 May 2006, 15:17:49 (322) Return of the URLMEister monster!

(10) pwolfe Pete Posted: 04 May 2006, 16:21:25 (322) Inclusive Post, Wolfman style!

(11) passengerfan Al Posted: 04 May 2006, 18:56:11 (322) Left Coast RR report!, etc.

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 May 2006, 19:36:49 (322) Acknowledgments & Comments

(13) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 04 May 2006, 20:19:17 (322) A Nicup![swg]

(14) passengerfan Al Posted: 04 May 2006, 20:52:39 (322) Pennsy Streamlined cars!

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 May 2006, 21:21:21 (322) Acknowledgments & Pix




That’s it! [tup][;)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, May 5, 2006 5:39 AM
THANX, Eric!

Enjoy your experience on the Forums and glad you began with us! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 5, 2006 5:53 AM
Good morning Tom and all. I'll have a sticky bun from the Metor bakery please. Can't tell you how busy I've been over here as the move progresses. We still shuttle boxes of junk to the farmhouse every time we head towards Woodstock, and the big move day is just a few weeks away. I'm hoping for decent enough weekend weather for some outside painting as well as completing downstairs painting. As busy as I keep at work, I still fiind myself looking forward to Mondays, so I don't have to work so hard!

Ya'll have a terrific day. I am gettting so behind on the doing here!

[:I] An old pastor was dying. He sent a message for an IRS agent and his lawyer to come to the hospital.
When they arrived, they were ushered up to his room. As they entered the room, the pastor held out his hands and motioned for them to sit on each side of the bed.
The pastor grasped their hands, sighed contentedly, smiled, and stared at the ceiling. For a time, no one said anything. Both the IRS agent and lawyer were touched and flattered that the old pastor would ask them to be with him during his final moments. They were also puzzled because the pastor had never given any indication that he particularly liked either one of them.
Finally, the lawyer asked, "Pastor, why did you ask the two of us to come here?" The old pastor mustered up some strength, then said weakly, "Jesus died between two thieves, and that's how I want to go, too. [:I]

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 5, 2006 6:31 AM
A very good a.m. this Friday May 5th. Tom, let me snag a couple of Bavarians and a cuppa Folgers, please. If I may retrogress to your excellent "break down" on the various nomenclature of toy and model train gauges, I would only add there are many variations on the popular "G" gauge. There is a wide variety of ratios in "G" and it makes for some confusion. For example, I'm using Aristo Craft Model equipment at 1:29. USA Trains in "G" are smaller at 1:35 (iirc) while LGB runs at least 2 different scales in "G." Bachmann also models in different scales though they all are are labeled "G" gauge.[:O] I don't want to delve into this as I'm the sole member invovled with the stuff.

Thanks to everyone for the [tup] on "passing muster" last Tuesday, phew!. And, may I echo those good thoughts to Passengerfan Al on his "A-Okay" check-up. However, a "younger nurse" for either of us might fall into the realm of: "California Dreaming."[(-D] Book ends, hey you gents are really clearing the ROW at "Our" Place lately.[:D] Surely got a "boot" from BK's European pix of locos and trains, and concur withPete's observation of the Pensy's GG-1 "look alike."

Ah yes, the X-2000 and many variants (thanks Tom, BK, Lars, Pete) showed so much potential (even after a disasterous episode on B.R.) that Sweden among other European countries ushered in a sucessful "come back." I think Pete Waterman still has the sole survivor in the U.K. hidden in his private collection. To date, I haven't had opportunity for riding any "high speed" trains, not even Acela on the N.E. corridor. Someday I will.[^] Mike, to be honest with you and Tom, I have not yet partaken of your URL's or the links to past Euro rail scene but rest assured I shall a.s.s.p. Cm3, where do you find those "out-of-the-way," tiny Roads? I mean T.R.R.A.? Pete, there was some excellent coverage of the miniature (3 ft. gauge?) Rhyl on the Travel Channel not long ago. That had to be a fantasy come true for a wee Lad. Well, it's another long day for me and I am still not up-to-date. I'll get there anon and in the meantime, happy rails to all of you.[^]
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Posted by coalminer3 on Friday, May 5, 2006 8:42 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present: Coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

We had some nice showers last night. No violent weather, so I could “fly the porch” with the K9 Korps in the evening. Gas is $2.89/gal. this a.m.

BK – At least your team GOT to the playoffs! Also, the rerun of the X2000 material was a nice “reminder.”

Tom – I read Vranich’s book a long time ago; maybe we’ll see some of what he mentions come to pass. Somewhere awhile back I was reading something that mentioned Kneiling’s old tome on Integrated Train Systems and also mentioned John Barriger. I recall talking with him at an R&LHS meeting yrs ago about his ideas on what he used to call “Super Railroads.” He said it would happen and it is.

Lars – Thanks for the kind words on the Red Sox. I am a Cardinals fan as well (have been since I can remember). As I told our ‘steamed proprietor awhile back, my concern with the Card this year is their pitching. I score 10 and give up 11, I still lose; as I say to my son, “Do the math.”

Wanshweeel – More URLs, thank you. Also as a heads up new issue of Classic Trains has a feature story with a lot of B&M material, and a shorter contribution on the CV.

Al - Glad for the favorable medical report. I know what you mean abt. tough medical personnel. When they were putting my leg back together I had to do PT three times a week; a couple of the practitioners were, I think, former Confederate horse artillerymen.

Also many thanks for the PRR material. PRR was a big presence in Boston, of course, in terms of passenger equipment which included all kinds of baggage/express/mail cars. Sometimes I wondered whether I was at South Station or Broad St.

Nick – Isn’t it amazing how locomotives disappear into a shop and reappear as something else.

Rob has mentioned several r/b programs in his posts. What always interested me were the hybrid locomotives such as reengined Baldwins and Alcos, etc. Then you have trade-ins. This was real popular thing with EMD during the transition from 1st to 2nd generation power. They took trades on their old products, but also took trades on other builder’s locomotives. One of the more exotic results of this was the GM&Os GP30s which looked like regular GP30s, but had Alco trucks. GE also had a trade-in program as well.

Barndad – Know what you mean abt. moving – I always looked at it as an opportunity to get rid of stuff to make room for new stuff.

Theodorebear – Just think O-R-O (Old, rare, and obscure) – LOL. Now, where did I put that Roscoe, Snyder and Pacific timetable? Ah, here it is under the most recent Annual Report from the Rockdale, Sandow and Southern.

Pete – The locomotives you saw probably belonged to the Alton and Southern. Here’s some information about the A&S. The colors along with the herald, which resembles the old MP herald sounds about right for what you saw.

The A&S is based in East St. Louis, ILL.

They are a switching road which again back in the day had connections with a lot of what are now fallen flags. These connections included the

B&O, C&EI, C&NW, CB&Q, GM&O, IC, IT, L&N, Manufacturers Railway, MKT, MP, N&W, PRR, NYC, SLSF, SSW, SOU, and TRRA.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming – underground belt inspection.

Work safe
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, May 5, 2006 10:48 AM
G’day Gents!


The week has wound down and here we are again at a Friday! Things are relatively quiet here in mid-Continent USA – temps supposed to be a comfortable 70 (F), a bit of cloud cover with only a slight chance of isolated sprinkles. Sounds fine to me! [tup] Petrol has dropped to $2.67 (rounded) up at “Collusion Corner,” wonder of wonders! This morning’s “Bird Cage Liner” (aka: St. Louis Post-Disgrace) has an article discussing an a rather immediate need for our electric power company to receive rate increases. Talking about perhaps a 3rd more added to our bills this summer. [tdn] What gets me is we have an operating “nuke” plant providing this area with energy – so the increases apparently are to defray the company costs for power elsewhere. Wunnerful – and deregulation was supposed to be a “good deal”[?] [yeah] Depending on which side of the “deal” one is on!


Suggest you guys take a look at a URL provided by a first-time visitor, EricX2000 on Page 322 – the Pix are fantastic! I’ve contacted this man and hope he stops by again – and again. Also, wanswheel Mike (aka: URLMEister Monster) has provided me with an English-version of Eric’s bio, etc. Very interesting fellow . . . Mike is too! [swg]


Good to see barndad Doug emerge from beneath all of the work he has been inundated with. [tup] Sadly, and a bit selfishly, all of this just adds to the “woes” of the bar attendance – as we get further into this not-so-merry-month-of-May. [tdn] Absences, absences and MORE absences. Ah, a cartoon AND a joke! [tup] Nice way to begin the day . . .

Just received a “heads up” from yet another guy who says he’s going to be a bit scarce next week. Good Gawd Gertie, it doesn’t stop! <groan> All I can say is if we fall – we fall; just hope the rebound comes sooner than later. No matter how optimistic, one simply must face the reality of this Thread – pull out an integral piece or three and it collapses like a house of cards.<grim>


A Ted-missive along with a Coalminer-epistle got the day jump started quite well! [tup] Good to see the two of you and appreciate, as ever, your taking the time to swing by for your morning “recharge!” [swg]


CM3 I haven’t read any other “prophetic” railroad books other than the one by Joe Vranich. His Super Trains still “haunts” me with the visionary and on-point recommendations within it. Simply an outstanding piece of work. Of course, I read that years ago – nowadays, my reading has been severely restricted to that which appears on these Pages (and “my other Thread!). Such is life . . . or should I say, “Get a life!” [swg]

Thanx for the round & quarters for Herr Wurlitzer! [tup]


Cardinals have the bird flu! [tdn]


I expect to be here for the remainder of the day . . . so, let’s make “Tilla” ‘n “Cashinator” sing their songs – Ka Ching, Ka-Ching, Ka-Ching-ching-a-ling …. <good grief!>


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, May 5, 2006 11:12 AM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #86

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) in a 1951 advertisement from my private collection:




Your Vacation is All Vacation

when you Go By Train!



From the moment you step aboard your cool air-conditioned train . . . you’re on vacation! You leave all cares behind.

Whatever your travel requirements - - - individual or family - - - you have a wide choice of accommodations . . . six types of rooms in newest all-private-room sleeping cars . . . restful berths in section-type cars . . . deep-cushioned reclining seats in latest overnight coaches. All the advantages and conveniences of train travel are yours.

Through your window, watch a continually changing panorama unfold.

Pick your own route - - - go one way . . . return another. Stop off at interesting points.

Liberal baggage checking allowances . . . center-of-city terminals . . . frequent, dependable-schedules . . . and low round-trip fares all combine to make your trips and your vacation more satisfying.

For extra pleasure . . . take it easy this vacation . . . TAKE THE TRAIN! Enjoy smooth electric power all the way!


LATEST OVERNIGHT RECLINING SEAT COACHES – so roomy . . . with only 44 seats to a car! Extra spacious washrooms.

A CHOICE OF DELICIOUS MEALS expertly prepared and served in attractively furnished dining cars adds to your vacation travel pleasure.

NEW DRAWING ROOMS – with a sofa and two chairs that are replaced by three sleep-inviting beds. Enclosed toilet facilities.


PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD

Go by Train . . . Safety – with Speed and Comfort


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, May 5, 2006 11:37 AM
morning Tom and the gang, heck of a day yesterday we got all teh thunderstorms MO didn't want. LOL. I think a late order of a number 3 with some of BK's electric coffee[swg]

Tom I think my birds up here have caught the bird flu as well [tdn] You don't get too far when you do the ole win one lose one routine that they seem to have settled into [sigh] At least the season's young and so's the team.

Great info on the x2000 yesterday, neat system of to dream that similar tech would find route over here in the long term. Nice little Pennsey article this morning as well,feeling a bit nostalgic today [?]

BK Glad that you guys liked the new wine. I keep trying to sell H&H's secret rescipe to the liquid plumber people, but so far they aren't interested. LOL Iwas sad to see the flames go down as well they are team #2 for me as I do bleed blue and white otherwise [swg] I had noticed that up until last year walthers still imports some of those fine Euro models mind you the pricing in US funds woulg Gag a Healthy Maggot to use a Siberianmoism. i'm glad that you thought of joining us that would have been one heckuva suprise fer sure fer sure. Next time [tup]

Al I'm glad to hear you recieved a good report from the doc's. Now when you refer to the nurse as a main battle tank would that be an Abrams or a British Matilda tank that fought the Afrika Corps [?][swg]

Ted Exactly 6 days sir are you excited now or what [?] Hopefully we can make you forget all the stuff in Tampa for a couple o days (daze) anyway.Newest travel tip for you is that we are likley looking at 70's for the week next week ( if you believe environment Canada,hight 50's-60's at night )So the snowshoes can stay home. I'm affraid that the ice hotel meted though [swg]

Mike Ah more good stuff from the urlmeister.Nice shots of Sweden to be sure.We always had reruns of the Lone Ranger when I was groing up That and sat morning and afternoon Cowboy Movies that dad and I watched on CBC, all good memories. We have indeed exported allot of tallented folks S of the Boarder, flows both ways I suppose.

CM3 I'm glad that you mentioned the "ugly duckling " trade in rebuilds that all the big manufacturers performed. I'll have to dig into the archieves and see what I can see.I remember seeing several shots of C&NW Baldwins with grafted on GP9 hoods and prime movers. I'll see what i can dig out.

Lars I liked your photo follow ups in support of Tom yesterday, also some broken Swedish spoken by you. You need to be carefull around the girlz. H&H are part Swedish on their mother's side ( not sure which side however )[:O]

Doug I see that you have a photo of my neighbourhoods main building contractors LOL sorry couldn't resist a little Canadian / American stereotype joke.

Have a good afternoon folks

Rob
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Posted by BudKarr on Friday, May 5, 2006 12:45 PM
Good Day Captain Tom and all assembled!

This is a rather whirl wind visit - have many things to attend to, including receiving a houseful of arriving guests. It is going to be rather hectic from this afternoon on . . . .

A glass of white wine for my lady and a Southern Comfort on the rocks, if you please - and a round for the house! [tup] Sorry, but we do not have the time to sample your fine Friday buffet . . . [swg]

Thank you to all who have commented on my postings and forgive me if I do not single each of you out for recognition. One of those days.

Regarding email messages: It would be better to consider not sending any to me from now until we return in the middle of June. I seriously doubt that there will be opportunity for me to check them . . . thank you!

I must say that fellow from Sweden has an extremely interesting photo spread and it is worth the while to peruse. You say there is an Engli***ranslation available? Surely would help! [swg] I was able to pick out sufficient bits of information, given my limited linguistic skills, to come away with the opinion that he would be quite a friend and asset to have as a customer in this wonderful cyber bar & grill!

Sorry - but it IS time for me to depart.

Best to all and should I not return in the immediate future - I thank you in advance for your best wishes! [tup]


BK in beautiful Alberta, Canada's high mountain country!
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Posted by pwolfe on Friday, May 5, 2006 1:54 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and are there any Fish 'N' Chips left.

A bit of a quick visit as we are going to the bride's mom for a couple of days. I should be back to post some pics Sunday afternoon.

Great posts today.

AL Interesting post on the increase of rail travel as gas prices rise. I wonder what will happen if they want to have more passenger trains on lines shared with the frieght companies who seem to be running near capacity as you say is starting to happen in California.

Great Pennsy posts with AL's on the Head end cars TOM's Nostalgia ad and thegreat photo of the GG1. Is the Electric supply still the same on the East Coast electrified lines so a GG1 still be run today on a special [?].

CM3 Great post Thanks for the info on the Alton & Southern and the locos.Its amazing how many different companies served St Louis[tup].

TED Sorry I missed the TV programme on the Rhyl Minature railway[:(]
I am not sure who owns the APT although it is kept, as you say near P. Watermans loco workshop. It was visable from trains travelling just north of Crewe station on the West Coast Main Line last time I was there.

DOUG Hope the move is still going OK[tup].

ROB I am still looking into the BR HEP loco conversions.

BK We will miss you while you are away at Our Place. Have a real GREAT time [yeah][tup][tup][tup].

TOM I hear the utility prices are skyrocketing in the UK as well.[V] It makes one wonder where it will all end.
Well I'll have the drink BK bought and leave a round to cover my abscence. PETE.
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Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, May 5, 2006 3:07 PM
G’day Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!


A round, barkeep, for the boyz at the bar! [tup] Boris let’s hear the sounds . . . [swg]

Make mine a frosty mug of Piels finest lager! [tup] No time for lunch, sad to say, we’re heading out shortly after this brief narrative – but should be back in early evening.

Nice smattering of customers today, a far cry from the other day, huh[?] As you say, Tom one just never knows at the “Hit & Miss Bar & Grill!” (or is that “Feast or Famine”[?]) [swg]

Always interesting “report” from Coalminer3 (I’m not Shane!), etc. [swg]

Bird Flu for the Cards AND Jays!! Bloomin’ amazing’ [swg]

I did manage to check out those pix from Sweden – simply wonderful! And mine is a Norwegian heritage. Yeah, I know, we’re all from the same gene pool! [swg] I’m confused – there’s an English version of Eric’s “profile” and other information available[?] Where[?] Nevertheless, hope the guy comes back – he’d be a great addition ‘round here. I’ll send him an e-mail invitation, and perhaps some other guys could do the same. With our numbers dwindling as we speak, it surely can’t hurt . . .

A “bunch” of e-mail received – some answered, others noted. Between the forums and the e-mail, I’m finding the “confusion factor” overtaking my life! <arggggggggggh!>

So, is BK “gone”[?] No – I think what he alluded to is that he and Lydia are being descended upon by guests who are at the “mountain retreat” for the wedding. So, with a house full, it may be quite difficult for him to break away. How would you put that[?] “Gee, I have to log into the cyber bar & grill to see what’s been said – and make some responses!” Yeah, right . . . [swg] So, Best Wishes to the two of you! [tup][tup][tup]

I’ve just about given up trying to figure out who will and who won’t be around for posting here at the bar during the next several days. My own time isn’t really mine – or so I am quickly finding out. We’ve got some things to take care of B4 departing, along with an unanticipated family matter to put to rest. Does “IT” ever end[?]

Pete I see you there - have a Bathams on me B4 you head out . . .

Love that Pennsy ad and the GG1 from yesterday – terrific on both counts! Then of course the “stuff” from 20 Fingers really hit “home!” Nicely done, gents! [tup][tup][tup]

I’ll try to get back in here a bit later on for some Pizza ‘n beer! But right now, I’m being “summoned!” <uh oh>


Until the next time!

Lars

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