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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:00 PM
[bday]Al!

Well, the "man" has made it! Awrrrrrrrrright![tup]

Hey Al Obviously YOU know how old YOU are - but do YOU know how many times the Bd'ay Watch List has been Posted since YOU joined it[?] Each time it requests CORRECTIONS!<groan> Guess this is my day for being a loser . . . [sigh]

Recommend you play catch up, while I go about getting everythng straightened out . . . .

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:08 PM
[bday] 2006 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST [bday]
(rev. Apr 18th):


March 5th (Nick – 46)
March 13th (Doug – 50)
March 31st (Lars – 66)
April 18th (Al - 63) Up NOW! Bash: Noon to 4 PM (Pacific)
May 18th (Tom - 68)
May 27th (Dave - 47)
June 3rd (John) – 47)
June 24th (Dan) – 44)
July 30th (Russell – 35)
August 11th (Pete – 55
August 16th (Ted – 68)
September 8th (Rob - 35)
September 11th – Per – 61)
October 18th (BK – 66)
December 29th (CM3 – 60)


Not on the list [?] Send me an Email with your birth date (month-day-year). Corrections too!


Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!




NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES!
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:15 PM
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TOP TEN One Liners for 63 Year Olds!

(10) I'm not old, I'm youthfully challenged.

(9) Charter member, "Old farts hall of fame."

(8) Once over the hill, you pick up speed.

(7) My own mortality will be the death of me yet.

(6) In dog years I'm dead.

(5) I'm in no shape to exercise.

(4) Don't interrupt me while I'm talking to myself.

(3) Darn right, I'm good in bed. I can sleep for days!

(2) I get everything I set my mind to. Now where'd I set my mind?

And the number ONE is: <drum roll> Naps & farts, that's all I'm really good for these days.



Boris Ring the bell a few times – Let the good times rolll![swg]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:16 PM
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These 20 questions are sure fire determinants of whether one qualifies to be a “Geezer!” We KNOW that AL will “ace” this test, but will you[?][swg] Give it a go . . .


1. Where did headlight dimmer switches used to be located?
a. On the floor shift knob
b. On the floor, left of the clutch
c. Next to the horn

2. The bottle top of a Royal Crown Cola bottle has holes in it. For what was it used?
a. Capture lightning bugs.
b. To sprinkle clothes before ironing
c. Large salt shaker

3. Why was having milk delivered a problem in northern winters?
a. Cows got cold and wouldn't produce
b. Ice on highways forced delivery by dog sled
c. Milkmen left deliveries outside doors and milk would freeze, expanding and pushing up the cardboard bottle top.

4. What was the popular chewing gum named for a game of chance?
a. Blackjack
b. Gin
c. Craps

5. What method did women adapt to look as if they were wearing stockings when none was available due to rationing during W.W.II?
a. Suntan
b. Leg painting
c. Wearing slacks

6. What postwar car turned automotive design on its ear when you couldn't tell whether it was coming or going?
a. Studebaker
b. Nash Metro
c. Tucker

7. Which was a popular candy when you were a kid?
a. Strips of dried peanut butter
b. Chocolate-licorice bars
c. Wax coke-shaped bottles with colored sugar water inside

8. How was Butch wax used?
a. To stiffen hair cut into a flattop so it stood up
b. To make floors shiny and prevent scuffing
c. On the wheels of roller skates to prevent rust

9. Before inline skates, how did you keep your roller skates attached to your shoes?
a. With clamps, tightened by a skate key
b. Woven straps that crossed the foot
c. Long pieces of string or twine

10. As a kid, what was considered the best way to reach a decision?
a. Consider all the facts
b. Ask Mom
c. Eeny-meeny-miney-mo

11. What was the worst thing you could catch from the opposite sex?
a. A cold
b. VD
c. Cooties

12. "I'll be down to get you in a ________, Honey?"
a. SUV
b. Taxi
c. Streetcar

13. What was the name of Caroline Kennedy's pet pony?
a. Old Blue
b. Paint
c. Macaroni

14. What was a Duck-and-Cover Drill?
a. Part of the game of hide and seek
b. What you did when your mom called you in to do chores
c. Hiding under your desk, covering your head with your arms in an A bomb drill

15. What was the name of the Indian Princess on the Howdy Doody show?
a. Princess Summerfallwinterspring
b. Princess Sacajewea
c. Princess Moonshado

16. What did all really savvy students do when mimeographed tests were handed out in school?
a. Immediately sniffed the purple ink, as this was believed to get you "high"
b. Made paper airplanes to see who could sail theirs out the window
c. Wrote another pupils name on the top, to avoid failure

17. Why did your mom shop in stores that gave Green Stamps with purchases?
a. To keep you out of mischief licking the backs, which tasted like bubble gum
b. They could be put in special books and redeemed for various household items
c. They were given to the kids to be used as stick on tattoos

18. "Praise the Lord, and pass the _________?"
a. Meatballs
b. Dames
c. Ammunition

19. What was the name of the group who made the song "The Gypsy" a hit?
a. The Ink Spots
b. The Supremes
c. The Esquires

20. Who left his heart in San Francisco?
a. Tony Bennett
b. Zavier Cugat
c. George Gershwin

[credit: questions from www.suddenlysenior.com]


Answers: on “my other Thread!”[swg]



Boris Ring the bell a few times – Let the good times rolll![swg]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by pwolfe on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:34 PM


[bday][bday][bday] to Al Hope you like the car it is on the Essex RR in CONN

It will have to be Bathams XXX or Holdens Special to celebrate AL's day[tup] And let me contribute to the Scuttle.

Hopefully this post will get through as the [censored] puter seized up solid a while ago and I have had to start again[sigh].

A great RR of Yesteryear TOM on the B&M with a discription of a trip on the line from North station as only CM3 can. I was able to watch a part of the evening commute from North station when we were in Boston in October. Great post from MIKE and RDC photos from BK. [tup][tup][tup].

Wonderful California info TOM[:D] some strange By-laws for sure.

Well hopefully LARS and BK and the regulars will be in again soon to Celebrate now AL has arrived again and I hope I shall be able to pop in later as they said we could be in for a bit of a rough nite weather wise [V].

Great photo of JUNEAU on his 3rd[bday][tup][tup][tup] say Hi to him from the bride and I.

As Yogi might say if this dosen't get there let me know[:)]PETE.
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:03 PM
Hello Pete Glad to see you made it in - "Juneau" appreciates the best wishes![swg]

Sorry, Lars 'n BK for the turn of events, I know you guys tried to be here, as requested by me, for the "opening ceremony!" Some days are like that . . . . what's that they say about the best of plans[?]

I'll Post the "answers" to the Quiz over on "my other thread" and hope you guys get to check 'em out . . . [tup]

Leon the Night Man will take the bar at 9 PM (Central)!

Later! (maybe - depends entirely on participation!)

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by West Coast S on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:27 PM
[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] Happy "B" day, Al, it's West Coast S with a rare Tuesday posting, hope your day is all you expected.. How goes the book project? I've completed the research phase for a SP C60-4 Harriman coach, now to build an S scale master and produce some kits [:)] I'm still unsure how to replicate the rivet and seam detail located on the compound curved ends, otherwise I have a overall Plan!!! My C72 will be much easier, there is a commercially available generic ten window coach that should do fine as a starting point.

I must confess the C60-4 designation is a misnomer, they totaled 59'4 coupler to coupler and fourteen high from rail level and had open vestibules, eight were so constructed , the first steel passenger cars on the system, soon they were improved upon by including vestibule doors, thus was created the C60-5 the order was split between America Car and Foundry and Pullman, soon SP forces would choose to build in house on future orders, desginating a specific erection shop within the vast Sacramento Shops complex to form sides from plate steel, punch widows and doors, rivet and sheet rolling to assemble kits that were then mated to underframes from American Car And Foundry.

Howdy Tom, I think a round is in order seeing how it's Al's special day and all, Tom, the DODGERS got kicked again!!! Hope the Angels do ok this season, there the only hope we have! Our hockey is pathetic also, LA has no concept of professional sports!

Enjoy the day Al, hi-ho,hi-ho it's back to work I go...Until later

Dave

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:58 PM
Gadfrey Daniel, it is hard to believe that passengerfan Al is only 63 years old with his boundless energy and latin clerity of expression. Tom, may I have a bottle of Naragansett and raise a toast to the quality as well as the quantity of Al's posts to date. [bday] Al, your unfailing contributions of accuracy and pains taking detail are certainly a corner stone that makes "Our" Place such a resounding success, ***** and 5 diamonds thrown in for good measure.[^] This is surely cause for a double celebration with the event of our beloved Mascot Juneau's [bday] being shared concurrently. I am confident that I might convey the gratitude of all Members, guests and friends with a hearty "well done" for your past year's contributions, hear, hear. I know we are all looking forward to another year of continued unselfish and helpful data on this most unique of sites. Boris, you and Tex "did good." Tom here is a U.S. Grant to be split between Cashinator and Tilla (the Hun). It's so great to see evryone again "on the heels" of the First Anniversary.[tup] Hopefully, I won't be interrupted from another "howdy" later today. Happy rails to all.

P.S. Uh oh! I maxed the "old fogie" test. Now, if I could only remember my score.[V]

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:11 PM
G'day!

The B'day Bash has "officially" ended. The 'window' was Noon to 4 PM (Pacific) as chosen by the honoree.

Nice to see two more show up within the "prescirbed time!" Dave 'n Ted your efforts are appreciated by Moi![tup]

See y'all!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by West Coast S on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:20 PM
Ok Tom, here goes.. (1) B (7) C
(2) C (8) C (Butch wax conjurs up all sorts of seedy images)
(3) C (9) A
(4) A (10) C (13) C (16) C (19) A
(5) B (11) C (14) C (17) B (20) A
(6) C (12) B (15) A (18) C

Ok, how bad did I foul up??? Talk about a trip back in time, i've not thought of some of these in deacdes!!!! Trust Tom to be imagitive!!!


CA bylaws should have this: For sale, home, three bedroom, 2/12 bath with parking for fifteen residents, at least that's how my new neighbors do it....Also, it is considered arson to burn a wooden bridge or barn in the county of Los Angeles, not that i've seen too many of either lately or this gem, horse drawn drays must not pass to the right of streetcars, such violations will result in fines and confiscation of drey ad wagon for a period of thirty days.

My wife tells the story of a girl crazy distant relative that in the gentile early 1900's would frequent Arcadia Station in LA to catch a fleeting glance of a covered ankle as ladies were assisted on and off trains.
Ah, yes the good old days.
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Posted by BudKarr on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:03 PM
Hello Captain Tom and all assembled!

Here I finally made it to a Birthday Bash! and guess what? The "man of the hour" is as scarce as "hen's teeth!"[swg]

No matter - I have been to parties where no paricular reason was needed to join in the revelry!

I have finally caught up with the pages I missed during this most recent absence. If I failed to mention, there have been some wonderful postings made during the past 10 days or so. Absolutely wonderful. Those URL references from Mr. Wanswheel are not only well thought out, but so very much on point. Extremely talented guy, in my opinion.

Then, of course, there have been the submissions by Mr. Barndad and the jokes! Could not forget those![swg] Following in no particular order or priority is Mr. Coalminer with his ever mindful insights and humor.

Captain Tom you MAY be wondering "what happened to this day," but my suggestion is to go with the flow and stick with those who have demonstrated a willingness to keep this thread moving forward.[tup]

Cannot forget my "bookend" friend, Mr. LoveDomes - you are far more insightful and outspoken than I. Perhaps that is why we are indeed, "bookends!"[swg] You make my opinions of past and present, quite "mild" in comparison!<grin> But, I always appreciate honesty and expect that you are indeed a personification of the "truth teller."

Finally, I wonder aloud what has happened to Mr. Trolleyboy - Mr. Nickinwestwales and so many others who just days ago frequented this site with an abundance of humor, informative postings and support. Ah, the night IS still "young," but the 'window' has indeed closed on this party.

Thank you for the invitation and let us all look forward to brighter days and times!

BK in beautiful Alberta Canada's high mountain country!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:42 PM
Good evening Tom and friends? Too late to party with Al alias "the birthday boy"? I'll have a bottomless draught, a round for the house, and an extra round for Al

Hey Al did you know .....

In America, they say it's 10:00 do you know where your children are?

In England, they say it's 10:00 do you know where your husband is?

In Paris, they say it's 10:00 do you know where your wife is?

And in California, they say it's 10:00 do you know what time it is?

And Al have you heard this oldster joke?

An 83-year old woman decided that she'd seen and done everything, and the time had come to depart from this world.
After considering various methods of doing away with herself, she came to the conclusion that the quickest and surest method would be to shoot herself through the heart. The trouble was, she wasn't certain about exactly where her heart was, so she phoned her doctor and asked him. He told her that her heart was located two inches below her left nipple.

So she shot herself in the left kneecap.

and then did ya'll know about this story from Al past?

Al was working with an electric saw when he accidentally sawed off all twenty fingers. He quicky rushed to the emergency room. The doctor there told him, “Give me the fingers and I'll see what I can do'.”
“But I don't have the fingers!”
“What! You don't have the fingers!?” said the doctor, “You should have brought them to me. We have all kinds of operations we could have done like microsugery and stuff. We could have put them back as good as new.”

“But Doc, I couldn't pick them up.”

Ho boy ... someone call the groan-o-meter repairman, and set-up another round on me.

[bday] Al!

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Posted by pwolfe on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:14 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams please LEON.

The trip to the garden center took longer than expected. It is good to see DAVE and TED at the party[tup]. A lot of good things today many thanks TOM and DOUG for the jokes.
I tried the Geezers quiz Tom and got 14 right it would probably have been one more but I do not know what cooties are [%-)] ( I tried the dictionary but it said some thing about electronics even more[%-)]).
Anyway TOM I hope Juneau had a good day too and thanks for the hard work it certainly gave me some[:D]s despite my puter being a pig for most of the day. PETE.
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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:05 AM
Hello Hello Hello, This is a test of is the forum working or not system. Sorry just being a bit sarcastic there, for three days I've been bumped out and off by internal server errors. At least it has been nice enough to tell me to contact the webmaster before I'm booted to oblivion [:(!]


First off happy birthday to the international man of many fingers & streamliners [bday]

Allow me to purchase you several CR's upon your return ( least I can do since I missed
the party )

On a general state of the bar side of things,at least i have been able to read and see what's been going on the last three days or so [sigh]

Wonderfull B&M info today Tom and CM3 don't call me Shane great contributions from yourself as well. I have to say that i've always loved the classic read(maroon) and yellow minuteman paint jobs on the RS3's and 's and early F units and geeps. In my opinion next to the CPR Grey and Maroon the early B&M paint job was the nicest and most photogenic.

Lars I;m thinking that your time off for Tom idea is a good one,drop me a line and let me know what you have in mind.

Pete Your friends photo's are wonderfull, great action steamshots[tup]Nice to see that your photobucket account is going great guns.

Tom Your montage of RDC's on Sunday were worth the wait [tup][tup]Give a [bday] treat to Juneau for us will you [tup]

Doug Yes you've done and busticated the groanameter again. I tell you it's comming ouit of your next paycheque [swg] Neat story on the bells.Those old articles are quite good.


Well it's late, I'mgoing to try a find where in the either all of my posts have disappeared from the last three days ( gone I suspect ) Look for the reposting ( hopefully ) come here Boris I need to knock on wood so your head should do the trick.[;)][swg]next calssic steam up will be the Ottawa Arnprior and Parry Sound ( hopefully ) originally I attempted to post it on Monday.

See everyone tomorrow (fingers and toes crossed )

Rob

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:23 AM

from: www.viarail.ca

We open at 6 AM. (All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


WEDNESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


Mid-week and time to begin the day with some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, perhaps an order from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast, and of course a least one mug of our freshly brewed coffee![tup]


Daily Wisdom

Folks that always ride in a high lope miss the fun along the trail.


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear – Western Pacific (WP) arrives next Tuesday!


* Weekly Calendar:

TODAY: Pike Perspective’s Day!
Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


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Comedy Corner

Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)


[:I] An 80-year old man goes to the doctor for a check-up. The doctor is amazed at what good shape the guy is in and asks, "How do you stay in such great physical condition?"
I'm a golfer," says the old guy, "and that's why I'm in such good shape. I'm up well before daylight and out golfing up and down the fairways."
"Well," says the doctor, "I'm sure that helps, but there's got to be more to it. How old was your dad when he died?"
"Who said my dad's dead?"
The doctor is amazed. "You mean you're 80 years old and your dad's still alive. How old is he?"
"He's 100 years old," says the old golfer. "In fact he golfed with me this morning, and that's why he's still alive . . . he's a golfer too."
"Well," the doctor says, "that's great, but I'm sure there's more to it than that. How about your dad's dad? How old was he when he died?"
"Who said my grandpa's dead?"
Stunned,he doctor asks, "You mean you're 80 years old and your grandfather's still living! Incredible, how old is he?"
"He's 118 years old," says the old golfer. .
The doctor is getting frustrated at this point, "So, I guess he went golfing with you this morning too?"
"No. Grandpa couldn't go this morning because he's getting married today."
At this point the doctor is close to losing it "Getting married!! Why would a 118 year-old guy want to get married?"
"Who said he wanted to?" [:I]


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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) barndad Doug Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 05:21:58 (307) Theme: B&M – RR History in Photos & Joke

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 05:23:08 (307) Tuesday’s Info & Summary

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 07:27:36 (307) Canadian Pacific Streamlined Obs

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 07:35:32 (307) RR from Yesteryear Ad

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 07:48:09 (307) Theme: B&M – Encore: Fallen Flag

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 08:05:00 (307) Theme: Encore: B&M The Way It was, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 08:08:37 (307) RR BOOK RELAY! Status

(8) BudKarr BK Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 08:43:43 (307) BK Report; Theme: B&M 3 Pix!

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 09:00:00 (307) RR from Yesteryear – Boston & Maine

(10) wanswheel Mike Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 09:40:36 (307) Theme: B&M URLs, etc.

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 11:19:04 (307) Acknowledgments, etc.

(12) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 12:37:12 (307) B’day!

(13) BudKarr BK Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 12:57:07 (307) huh[?]

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 13:15:39 (307) Encore: Top 10 Contributors, etc.

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 13:24:39 (307) Prelude to a party!

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 13:30:52 (308) B’day

(17) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 14:01:25 (308) B’day

(18) BudKarr BK Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 14:05:48 (308) B’day

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 14:11:31 (308) B’day

(20) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 14:19:06 (308) B’day

(21) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 14:25:21 (308) Juneau’s B’day!

(22) BudKarr BK Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 14:31:46 (308) B’day

(23) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 15:02:13 (308) B’day

(24) passengerfan Al Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 15:53:43 (308) FINALLY!

(25) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 16:00:41 (308) B’day

(26) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 16:08:18 (308) B’day Watch List!

(27) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 16:15:31 (308) B’day

(28) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 16:16:35 (308) B’day

(29) pwolfe Pete Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 16:34:28 (308) B’day

(30) West Coast S Dave Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 17:27:30 (308) B’day

(31) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 17:58:24 (308) B’day

(32) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 18:11:51 (308) End of Bash!

(33) West Coast S Dave Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 18:20:54 (308) B’day

(34) BudKarr BK Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 19:03:45 (308) Post Party comments

(35) barndad Doug Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 20:42:12 (309) B’day

(36) pwolfe Pete Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 21:14:35 (309) Post Party comments

(37) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 00:05:06 (309) He’s baaaaaaaack! Inclusive Post, etc.




That’s it! [tup][;)]


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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:59 AM
Good morning Tom and all! I'll have the usual two lite breakfasts please. Guess I'll be eating outside on the porch, as all the tables have pyramids of beer cans and bottles covering their tops, and the chairs are all on top of the roof! I'm amazed that some folks actually provided info on the B&M yesterday in spite of the revalry! I didn't know anyone was sober enough to know their name, let alone do that! Sure was nice to see a "streamliner" post from the B'day boy himself! Really enjoyed all the California dumb jokes and the geezer quiz from Tom, as well as B&M material. CMShane3 ... fantastic first-hand stuff from you, and the interview with Al was hilarious! BK, aboslutely outstanding RDC pix! Great URLs as usual from Mike
And now ....
Here's the first part of my PIke post today:

History of the Lionel Scale Hudson by Richard E. Walters; Vintage Rails #20 1999

The 1940 Lionel catalog offers the highly detailed, ready-to-run 700EW Hudson, as well as the 700K, which comes as a six-piece kit.


In 937 the Lionel 700E made its debut. It was created, some believe, by pressure to offer the scale community a mass-produced, low cost alternative to a precision hand-built brass locomotive and tender, and it immediately captivated both tinplate and NMRA hobbyists. Little did anyone realize that the 700E would become a benchmark by which all model electric trains would be measured for the decades to come.

A small section of other “scale”-size locomotives had been built by Lionel a few years earlier, notably the 725E UP M-10000 in 1934 and the 250E Hiawatha Atlantic in 1935. To be sure, these were constructed to NMRA 45:1 proportions, but they lacked much of the “added-on” detail enjoyed by scale enthusiasts, and their appearance was also somewhat more toy-like. The 48:1 scale 700E satisfied a great deal of the demand at that time, especially for what the pinnacle of Central System’s 20th Century Limited J-1 Hudson.

Measuring over 24 ½” in length and weighing over 15 pounds, the 700E and its tender were indeed a formidable combination. High-definition die cast metal, open-spoked driver wheels, and loads of added-on super detailing represented quite a departure from earlier endeavors. It carried beautiful complex linkage and Baker valve gear, accentuated by intricate detail. The tender had a whistle, scale trucks with Timken bearings, and 1,600 rivets. If you powered your train on an outside third rail, am add-on pickup shoe was included with each 700E. To wrap up each unit, a nice 072 T-rail display board with a brass nameplate was included. Quite a piece!

Considering the “enormous” investment of $75 in the fully assembled scale 700E (remember, this was the late 1930s, with many in our nation still out of work), Lionel began offering the various components of the J-1E kit form as the 700K. This was offered in six separate kits, all of which totaled $64.50. You could assemble the complete package, and do so as your budget allowed.

There are only a few variations of both the 700E and 700K. The original models were a true scale endeavor, and carrying this to the logical conclusion, the drive wheels on the engine were all flanged for use with the T-rail track. Some of the original engines were found to have “blind” center drivers and wheel flanges adaptable to tubular track (the latter fairly prevalent on the later 763E).

To better market this magnificent locomotive to the masses, Lionel offered a less costly, but no less formidable version of the 700E during the 1937-1942 production run, namely the 763E. The castings were basically unchanged, but the boiler and frame lacked much of the added detail, and shorter “tinplate” coal or oil tenders were offered. This Hudson did have many variations: Tender type, paint color, coupler variety, and markings varied. The engine did not have an operative coupler on the pilot. The boiler front had no 5344 number board and no grab iron railing. The Baker valve gear, lubricator, and over 90 percent of the 700E frame, boiler, and boiler front details were gone. The added-on piping on the boiler was missing, and the drive wheels were not only spoked, but also flanged for tubular track, and the center drivers were blind.

When Lionel introduced the automatic box coupler in 1938, tender designations and markings were changed. By the end of 1942, production ceased, and the pre-war Hudson era was over.

[:I] A man, whose level of drunkenness was bordering on the absurd, stood up to leave a bar and fell flat on his face. "Maybe all I need is some fresh air," thought the man as he crawled outside. He tried to stand up again, but fell face first into the mud. "Screw it," he thought. "I'll just crawl home." The next morning, his wife found him on the doorstep asleep. "You went out drinking last night, didn't you?" she said. "Uh, yes," he said sheepishly. "How did you know?" "You left your wheelchair at the bar again." [:I]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:58 AM
Let's see this is Wednesday so it must be Pikes Prospective day, right? Tom, I'll snare a couple of "gotta go" prune danish and maybe a cuppa green tea today, thanks. Great to be able to post more regularly now, although the reprieve came at a considerable personal loss.[v] I'm about as caught up on the back log as I will ever be. To try to be thouroughly inculsive at one sitting would require 2 solid pages on the forum.[:O] It will be better to take this task on a piecemeal basis. Starting from the most recent entries, I hope all who attended Al's Birthday "high tea" enjoyed themselves as much as me. Crumpets aren't my thing but surely enjoyed the generous rounds of Narragansett.

Westcoast S Dave, about 100 years ago I did a little scratch building in S (Am Flyer). One model was of a 70' heavy weight standard day coach. For rivet detail I used 2 options: first I embossed perforations on thin strips of sheet bass with a seamstress' cog wheel and the second was the same method but on a brass template of the entire vestibule end. I saved the actual cutting of the brass until I was sure of a good fit on the wooden (basss wood) frame. Finally, I laminated the brass (strips or template) to the frame with Elmers Glue All. Any old mechanical (wind-up) clock gear can be used for tapping the rivets of different sizes. Antiquated? Yes, but if it was good enough for Richard Wagner it is "good enough" for me. By now, there are surely easier methods and I would appreciate your input later.[tup]

Barndad Doug, the Lionel info. was appreciated as I wasn't aware of the origianl N.Y Central J-1 Hudson castings in O guage. Lionel made a decent aluminum casting of the J-3A in HO in the early 50's. By then however, Varney, Mantua and Bowser were turning out comparable castings and better power.

Pete, congratulations on your sucess with the Photobucket site. I shall be browsing same very soon. Your pix are outstanding and "footers" most informative on British rail prototypes. I love that steam in the U.K. [^] The Connecticut car appears to be right out-of-the-shops. Rob, no way can I totally cover all of your past posts. Suffice to say they all come up to your very high standards for accuracy and detail. In my book, many [tup], ***** and 5 diamonds to you Sir.

Tom what can I say? I don't know where your patients and dedication comes from but I do know that without it, this forum would never "fly." Our gratitude can't be measured in X number of postings or "pats on the back." I only hope that these labors (like any hard work) are their own best reward. I have a meeting on the other side of the Bay later, so I'll "nip this post in the bud." Boris, you look awful! Been out in the woods late at night have you? Hmmm, maybe there is more to your social life than any of us know? Happy rails to all.

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Posted by coalminer3 on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:09 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Well, we survived the birthday (any excuse for a party as somebody suggested - maybe someday I'll learn how to tell time, but work intervened so I had to jump the gun). I did not realize it was our mascot's birthday - Milk Bones and Iams, Pedigree, Ol' Roy (pick your brand) all around; I really enjoyed the picture - it always amazes me how dogs expand to fit the space available. Each member of the K9 Korps at our house can fill up an entire sofa, or they can coexist on the same piece of furniture.

I see that today is Pike Perspectives. Rather than write a piece for today, I am going to post a website. When you get on the site go the section on Wilbur Frey and his locomotives. Frey worked for the Grand Trunk at Island Pond. I never met him, but I heard a lot aboput him over the years, especioally from some of my live steam friends. If you like to build things or tinker, you will enjoy reading about his methods and seeing what he did.

Also on the site are several other subsections under the Core Collection. PCCs, steam, trucks, heavy equipment, and for our 'steamed proprietor, some shots of stick freighters in and around Boston. Note that at least one is equipped with an ASW gun.

Hope you enjoy this site.

http://www.walkertrans.org/

work safe

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:20 AM
G’day Gents!


A new day, a new start and some thoughts:

Many thanx to all who took the time and made the effort to log in during the “prescribed time” for Al’s B’day Bash! – equal thanx to those of you who dropped off a [bday] greeting before or after the “event.”[tup]

Our RR from Yesteryear – Boston & Maine may have gotten side-tracked by the Bash! and if so, please feel free to continue on with the “theme” today![tup] For example, Al if you are reading this – why not provide that B&M material you Posted on “my other thread” over here[?] After all – this is 1st priority for new stuff and it would fit in quite well . . . .

Thanx for the Emails from those of you who “care” about this Thread. Not to worry – I’m not bailing out, in spite of our somewhat perplexing events lately.

Okay – on with the acknowledgments for the day:

Count Robulla has returned! You had us wonderin’ what in blazes was going on! I had offered my “guesstimates” but fell short by failing to include Forum issues. Appreciate the E-mail elaboration . . .

We’ll be looking forward to your Rendezvous update by Email[tup]


Doug - Nice touch with that Lionel Scale Hudson write up![tup] When I first saw one of those – and they were probably 8 years old by then – I wanted one b-a-d-l-y!! Just couldn’t afford it – just a poor city kid. But they were the greatest looking scale loco’s I had ever seen up to that point. Just terrific. Made the rest of the Lionel line of steam loco’s pale in comparison. I mean, this was a SCALE model and so detailed, whereas my Pennsy S-2 steam turbine 6-8-6 was well, not quite so scale.[swg]


Ted - A morning visit and rather “normal” in the sense that it feels like old times (olde tymes!).[swg] No need for the accolades, although being your “basic human,” it always does wonders for the ego when someone makes mention of these things. Thanx![tup]

Sorry that apparently “the day” has arrived when another level of care had to enter into the picture regarding your friend. Life has all kinds of twists and turns and none of us are prepared for them. I guess it’s the guy who plays the hand that is dealt who get’s my admiration the most. Looking around, there ALWAYS someone who has it worse and that’s kinda the way I try to remain “grounded.” I haven’t a clue regarding where all this leads to – but while we’re here, touching others in a positive manner beats the dickens out of the alternative. You, Sir, apparently are one of those “positive strokers!”[tup]


CM3 - Now THAT’s what I call a hobbyist! This guy is quite the talent and I cannot imagine doing what he has done in making those great looking steam locomotives!

I hope the guys check out the URL – there’s quite a bit of reading, far too much for a “once over lightly,” so when you have the time – be sure to check out: http://www.walkertrans.org/ and go to “Wilbur Frey.” It’s worth the “trip!”[tup]

Thanx for the round AND quarters! We surely depleted the “kitty” yesterday, but not quite as expensive as some other parties.<grin>


Proprietor’s Comments:

There has been “evidence” of some guys not reading the Posts, which is nothing new or surprising.

However, the point I want to make with this is that one cannot “wing it” on this Thread. It simply will not and does not work. Believe me, it SHOWS when a Post is made with too many “generalizations” to be taken seriously. Or, when a Post is made that is clearly off the track in terms of point of reference and the like.

What to do[?] You already know the answer. But above all, let’s not insult one another with the apparent indifference or inconsideration that sometimes distracts mightily from what we’re trying to achieve.

For the MAJORITY of you – many, many THANX for your participation and interest in keeping the bar alive and well![tup][tup][tup]


I expect to be behind the bar for the remainder of the day . . . but will most probably slack off on my Posts. Yesterday “sapped’ my resources, personal and otherwise . . .


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


BE SMARTER, use the “Reload/Refresh” as soon as you get to ”Our” Place It’s the only way to get the most current Posts!
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:13 PM
G'day!

Pike Perspectives and Lionel Trains - a good mix! Check these out . . . .


1948 Lionel Catalog



1949 Lionel Catalog



1950 Lionel Catalog



1951 Lionel Catalog



1952 Lionel Catalog


1954 Lionel Catalog



1955 Lionel Catalog




1956 Lionel Catalog



(could not locate a "decent" 1953 cover)

Enjoy![tup]

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Posted by BudKarr on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:33 PM
Good Afternoon Captain Tom and all assembled!


Once again, we are preparing for our weekend away from the mountain retreat. However, before engaging in the now familiar routine of packing the automobile, I will make my appearance before the “court!”[swg]

A round for one and all, Sir Barman and Cheers to those who made yesterday a success! And let us not forget, it was a success. The Boston & Maine material was outstanding – led of course by our Proprietor with those in depth background postings. Then the party was a success IF measured by the numbers of us who came forth. I think it a shame to label all those efforts in any way other than positive. For what it is worth, my bride-to-be feels the same way![tup]


Some fine postings today, and I particularly got a kick out of those Lionel catalog covers. While never “qualified” as a toy train enthusiast in my childhood, I do recall the catalogs and displays in the department store windows. Then of course the Lionel around the Christmas tree – yes, I do recall those wonderful times!


Good to see your return to the bar, Sir Rob and there simply is no explanation for the arrival of the “Gremlins” who inhabit the forums. We recently recovered from our malaise regarding interconnectivity issues, and still do not know the cause!


Sir Doug that Lionel information is quite interesting. I do not recall seeing that locomotive, but it surely is impressive. Of course I have seen photos of the real one and have many in my growing RR library![swg]


Sir Coalminer, et al Your URL is quite informative, but far too much for me to digest. I admire those who put their talents to good use, and this fellow apparently has lots of it – talent that is![tup]


Pete from yesterday – good to see you, although I was off line during your postings. I did see you in the “phantom browse mode” – as Sir Tom phrases it – and now we know that you too fell victim to those “Gremlins!”


Lars my fellow “bookend” let me offer this not-so-sage-advice – it simply is not worth the powder it would take to blow ‘em to Kingdom Come to get yourself wrapped around the axle over anything said or unsaid on these pages. We come – we go and life goes on. Take that from me. I too get very upset and uptight over ignorance, inconsideration and all the rest. But what is there we can do to change any of it? Let us “play to the guys” who care and to blazes with the others.



A bit of European hobby photos for the bar on this Pike Perspectives afternoon:


Fleischmann 4117 - Tender Loco Class 17



Fleischmann 4318 - Electric Loco Class E19.1



Fleischmann 4324 - Electric Loco Class 146



Fleischmann 4337 - Electric Loco Class Ae 3/6



Fleischmann 4903 - Passenger Train of the K.P. u. G.H. St. E.



4913 Passenger Train "90 Years of MITROPA" of the P. St. E. V.



I do not take credit for retrieving these photos. My computer literate “roomie” does so well at this![swg]


I will now enjoy a Southern Comfort on the rocks and a glass of white wine for my lady![tup]


Enjoy the weekend, Gentlemen!


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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:24 PM
G’day Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!


Argggggggghhhhhhh! My “bookend” beat me in again . . . . [tdn][swg]


Bad night for the Mets and worse for the Cards I see. Just heard that your guys beat the Pirates this afternoon, as my guys dropped a “squeeker” to the Braves. Well, it IS a long season! [swg]


What’s to say that hasn’t been said[?] Many, many posts yesterday and some fine contributions to the Theme for the Day – B&M and of course the somewhat disjointed B’day Bash! Cheers to one and all who participated in either event or both![tup][tup][tup]

What’s to say that hasn’t been said about our Proprietor[?] There simply is no rival when it comes to the unselfish manner in which he goes about ensuring that one and all get their “fair shake” at recognition.[tup][tup][tup]


Actually, I think my “bookend” summed it up quite well with his commentary on the day being a success all around. That IS a much better perspective – well put, BK! By the way, nice Euro toy train pix!!


Time for one of my “standard” sandwiches and a pitcher of R&H! [yeah] You remember, 2 foot hero, ham, Swiss, buttAH & mustAHd with 2 large pickles from the barrel. Oh, and a round for the boys too! Ka-ching, ka-ching goes “Tilla!”[swg]


Glad to see you have returned, Rob and perhaps we need to run a long extension cord up your way to ensure that your bits ‘n bytes get through to the server!<grin> What’s the matter, didn’t pay the bill[?] Only kidding – very glad you are with us again and it seems strange without you, and of course the man from West Wales – Nick. What’s up with him these days[?]

Rob as indicated in my post regarding “help” for Tom – send me YOUR thoughts by email and we can discuss it. I said pretty much what was on my mind, yesterday.[tup]


Doug That Lionel Hudson loco is what boys in my time and before, dreamed of. It was really something better suited for the serious hobbyist than anything else. It was marketed way before I understood electric trains, but when I first saw one up at the Lionel exhibit hall in Manhattan, I couldn’t believe my eyes. What a great looking loco. As Tom indicated, this was no toy train and would have looked totally out of place amongst the Lionel “stuff” most of us had back then. Nice input![tup] And by the way, hope all is going well on the homefront![tup] I still think we should have rounded up a few of my burly dock worker friends and taken care of that “problem” you encountered![swg]


CMShane3 Check out this URL: http://www.circ.uab.edu/nypldr/1time/standard.htm [swg]

BTW, I really liked that URL you provided. I’m a half-assed machinist and understand what it takes to produce a product of such detail and precision. Not that I could, or would, engage in such activity for hobby purposes. It’s one thing to fashion a part necessary to keep the ship’s engineering requirements functioning, it’s quite another to do it for “sport.” Anyway, a labor of love and a URL well worth visting.[tup]


Tom Those Lionel catalogs really bring home the memories, huh[?] Remember seeing those catalogs in all the “toy stores” – that is what they were called long before the LHS moniker. Then of course the department store window displays, mentioned by BK pretty much replicated the catalog layouts. Oh how I would “dream” of having those trains – all of ‘em!![swg] Nothing “greedy” about me – just a kid dreaming and wishing!


Pike Perspective’s Day again, huh[?] Well, we sorta passed it by last week due to our 1st Year Anniversary party – so here’s something I had prepared for your hobby related reading enjoyment:


The following submission is from:



QUOTE: LIONEL STEAM LOCOMOTIVES

Ask anyone on the street, “What do you remember about a Lionel train?” and most of them will smile as fond memories return and say “its black, heavy, and you put little pills in the smoke stack.” This is a fitting description for the bulk of Lionel’s postwar steamers.

Lionel had introduced zinc-alloy die-casting in its manufacturing process prior to World War II, though it took a few years to perfect. Impurities in the metal can cause it to “rot” over years, swelling and disintegrating – a common problem in prewar trains, but unusual in postwar production. This new process allowed the company to create handsome, detailed, yet rugged locomotives. the mechanisms housed in these heavy metal boiler shells were works of art themselves, especially during the late 1940s when they were as precisely made as a fine watch. Ultimately, some of the less-expensive locomotives came to be made of plastic, but die-casting remained the basis for the better engines until the end.

Continued innovation kept Lionel ahead of its competition, and the steam locomotives were at the forefront. Prior to WWII, Lionel had introduced its famed air whistle. Usually housed inside the tender, a small electric motor turned an impeller, forcing air through two acoustic changers and producing a realistic whistle sound. The motor was controlled by a relay, which was closed by imposing a slight DC current on top of the normal AC track power that ran the train. A similar relay was used to ring the bell on the switch engines.

In 1946, Lionel wooed consumers by producing the first locomotives with a puffing smoke. These were replicas of a handsome 2-8-4 Berkshire and Pennsylvania’s revolutionary, albeit unsuccessful S-2 turbine. The first year’s smoke unit used a special oversized light bulb to heat the smoke material, but beginning in 1947, a nichrome wire-wound heater element was used instead on most of the larger locomotives. It was these units that seemed to have an insatiable appetite for the memorable “SP” smoke pellets. In the late 1950s, a third type of smoke generator appeared that used a liquid rather than pills.

Lionel’s golden anniversary year of 1950 saw the final major innovation in steam locomotive production – the introduction of Magnetraction. This feature was intended to better keep the locomotive on the track and increase its pulling power by using powerful Alnico magnets to magnetize the wheel, “sticking” the train to Lionel’s tin-plated steel track.

The fortunes of Lionel seemed to parallel that of full-size steam locomotives. Both reached their zenith in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and both seemed to be fading memories by the late 1960s.



Hey Tom The pitcher needs refilling![swg]


Until the next time!

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Posted by pwolfe on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 3:19 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams please.

Meant to mention yesterday how much I enjoyed DOUG's post on the locomotive bells. they were not used in common practise in the UK( only where street running and in docks etc)
The Great Western KING class loco King George V was sent over in 1927 to appear at the B&O exhibition of that year and was re-assembled in their Mount Clare workshops. the loco was presented with an inscribed working bell which it carried through its working life and is still able to be seen on the loco has she as been preserved. here is a link showing the bell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GWR_King_George_V_16_db.jpg

To keep with Pikes day a link to a model of the King
http://www.southernsteamtrains.com/misc/King%20George%20Review.htm

Good to see you back ROB and I hope the puter problems are solved soon.Thanks again for the advice on posting the pics [tup].

What great detail on the Hudson DOUG[wow].

Thanks for the link CM3. A talented person Wilbur Frey was for sure and you could not ask for a nicer testemonial as was given at the top of the page.

BK Yes it is frustrating when the post is all written and adding the last smillie and the thing gets a mind of its own and it refuses all commands I left it for awhile hoping it would sort itself out but the only way out was to turn it off and let it and me cool off and start again.
Loved the Fleischmann photos especially of the Crocodile Ae3/6 electric loco.

Great Lionel catalog covers TOM, I noticed that they reflect the change from steam to diesel power of the time. It must have been a concern of the model manufacturers as to how popular the models of the diesels would be.

TED Very sad to hear of the personel loss. I know you are amongst friends here at OUR Place.
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 4:50 PM
G'day Gents!

I want to preface this comment with another - for every one out there who has tried to maintain a "set time" for Posting - I appreciate your efforts. It really takes a bit of the "load" off of me.[tup][tup][tup] And, Lars you have been simply exemplary in your willingness to help out and I have come to 'depend' upon your mid/late afternoon Posts. It's NOT a good thing to 'depend' on anyone or anything when dealing in the world of Cyber Comms - but so be it. Thanx very much for helping out. [tup][tup][tup]

Another THANX goes to CM3 (aka: CMShane3, et al) for making the mid-morning time slot his own![tup][tup][tup] Of course we all do NOT have to be creatures of habit, however, it does relieve an awful lot of the time I spend in the Ether just to know that others are helping out with this Thread.

I have created all kinds of recognition through the past year - Regulars - Order of the Stools - "Reserved 'n Permanent Stool status" and so forth. It was all designed to acknowledge and reward the efforts put forth. I am now considering yet another category of recognition - which is not quite ready for "prime time release."[swg]

In reviewing our past year and the number of Posts, I must temper the tendency to "reward" simply by numbers of Posts. That doesn't "get it" with me - and for anyone who has followed this Thread, you should know that. It's ALWAYS quality over quantity, each 'n every time. There are a few guys who really should be recognized not only for their Posts, but also for maintaining a degree of continuity to go along with it. And guess what[?] That changes with the times.

Once it was West Coast S Dave who was sooooooooo dependable for his afternoon submissions. Things change. Now it's Lars who occupies that slot. Then there was Trainnut484 Russell who entertained us with his afternoon 'deliights,' but that too has gone by the boards. Now it seems that BK 'n Pete pick up the slack. Just the "dynamics" of this thing we call the Ether.

So, where is all this leading[?] Simply to this conclusion - it takes a strong nucleus of guys who give a Rat's Patoot about this bar - my creation. I'll leave it up to YOU to determine who the real supporters are.


Thanx to BK - Lars 'n Pete for the afternoon Posts. Enjoyed 'em all. Especially liked the participation in the Pike Perspectives and the Pix from Bk and narrative from Lars. Enjoyed your submission, Wolfman but it appears you didn't use the "Refresh/Reload" feature, for there was no mention of the Post from Lars![swg]

I received several Emails of encouragement today - and thank one and all for them, not really necessary, but of course appreciated. You know, in my career, we didn't use the "peer evaluation system!"[swg] Anyway . . . . the major "thing" that bugs me are the guys who absolutely refuse to read the Posts and then "pretend" to know what's going on. That is very, very insulting and quite frankly, I wi***hey would take it elsewhere.[sigh]

Nice URLs Pete - almost neglected to recognize your efforts![tup]

Okay boyz, how about a drink on me[?] Boris ring the ding![swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:01 PM
Good evening Tom and friends! I'll break tradition, and ask for a Samuel Adams today, and buy two rounds for the house! Many moons ago, a friend of mine told me that he wrote the brewers of Samuel Adams, and told them he liked their beer. They sent hime free stuff! So I did the same ...wrote to them and told them how much I enjoyed their beer. They sent me a Samuel Adams hat, coasters, and other stuff (I can't remember). Just thought I'd mention it. I wonder if other companies do the same thing? Some of you might want to invest the cost of a stamp to find out if your favorite beer brewery does this too?

Looks like Dave's birthday needs some updating if he was scratch-building anything 100 years ago! Do you have any pictures of your "S" gauge creations? C(m)3PO, I'll have to get back to your link when I can devote my full attention ...looks like a winner! Tom, too late for a birthday gift for our mascot? Would he like to eat have a cat? Terrific Lionel catalog pix sir! BK, extra impressive model pix today. Mucho compliments to your roomie! Lars, I'll take you up on your offer to provide burly dock workers to help "teach" my idiot neighbors that they continue to be clueless, loud and contemptable. We can't wait to escape them, and are looking forward to our move. Really terrific Lionel submission today sir! [tup] Now here's the 2nd part of mine:

History of the Lionel Scale Hudson by Richard E. Walters; Vintage Rails #20 1999

Lionel proudly boasts about its new offering, “America’s first authentic scale model” Hudson in its 1937 catalog.


Following World War II, the American economy was besieging industry to provide its citizens things that were denied them the previous four years: consumer goods! Lionel had done very well during the war, and was now prepared to utilize many of the advances in mechanical devices it had developed to dive back into the production of toy trains.

A number 703 Hudson was originally planned to be offered in 1946, but there were problems obtaining proper materials. The wait was finally over in 1950, though, when the 773 hit the shelves. This scale-size J-1E Hudson was made available in time for Lionel’s 50th Anniversary.

This unit was actually different from the 763E. Some of the non-cast boiler piping detail was actually added to the 1950 casting. Also changed were the grab iron supports for the boiler, steam chest, front and rear trailing truck, and frame. (This frame change was necessary to better fit a new motor design.)

The tender drawbar had been changed, and there was a smoke unit added to the 773. The driver wheels went from spoked to solid, for use with tube-type track. Changes were also made to the valve gear design, and the tender was updated to a 8 ½” long unit with 12-wheel trucks and was stamped “Lionel Lines.” Since the production run of the 1950 scale-size Hudson lasted only one year and the production was not really large, no specific design changes came forth.

The next time that the semi-scale Hudson was issued were the years 1964-1966. The locomotive was brought back possibly as one attempt to renew interest in Lionel’s toy train line, and to recapture a market share lost to TV watching as the “toys of choice.” This version still utilized the same cast mold. The cab number was now white and was larger and of a different style than had been used in 1950. There were also less subtle changes. In 1964 the tender was a 2046W “water scoop” variety, with eight-wheel trucks and Pennsylvania lettering (a road name that would never have been coupled with the J-1E, a distinct New York Central number). By 1965 the name on the tender was changed to New York Central.

When the Lionel Corporation unloaded its declining train business to MPC in 1970, little thought was given to anything more than producing a few trains to fill out General Mills’ toy line. In 1974 MPC was spun off into what became Lionel Fundimensions, and sales actually began to increase. One of the reasons for the increase was that “baby boomers” had incomes and could now purchase what they had not been able to afford as children. The 1970s progressed, and these people began asking for more detailed offerings, including a scale-size Hudson. The company was not in a position to offer such an item, primarily because the skills to produce such an engine were not available. (Also, it was uncertain what the profit could be made on the collector market!)

Many of the parts needed to produce this first of the “Modern Era” scale proportioned 783 Hudson in 1984 had to be outsourced. Certainly a lot of in-house capability had been lost during the previous 15 years, and some re-engineering also needed to be done on tired tools and dies. Along the way some new ideas were added as well. The 783 boasted semi-scale detail and the addition of two plastic tubes running from the smoke unit to the vicinity of the steam chest. This unique arrangement allowed the appearance of “steam” exiting from just behind the front trucks. Also changed was the whistle in the tender, from the prewar/postwar air horn to a solid-state device employing printed circuitry. The “Mighty Sound of Steam,” as it was advertised, utilized integrated circuits to store and discharge electrical energy to mimic the burst of steam discharge from the pistons. Though antiquated by current standards, for its time it was state-of-the-art. The 784 and 785 Hudsons followed in relatively rapid succession, each bearing a distinctive color and markings.

In 1990 Lionel Trains Inc. announced what collectors had wanted for years: The remanufacture of a truly scale Hudson! This beautiful masterpiece was produced using new engine tooling and is numbered 5340. It was the first Hudson to use RailSounds, which is an array of three different digitized sounds, including whistle, chuff, and bell, all controlled from the transformer. He package came together on spoked drivers and was truly mesmerizing!

The future does not appear to hold the “same old stuff.” The Lionel Corporation LLC promises new scale highly detailed Hudsons, complete with RailSounds and Trainmaster Command Control. This electronics package permits control of all train-related sound and movements anywhere on a layout. These pieces will undoubtedly be the finest Hudsons built to date. Beyond this, it is anyone’s guess, but judging from the evolving state of miniature electronics and the current (and probable future) demand for high-quality scale type pieces, we may not seen nuthin’ yet!

[:I] Jean Claude Van Dam, Steven Segal, and Arnold Schwarzenagger all decide to go out trick-or-treating as musical composers for Halloween. They go into a costume store and look for masks. Jean Claude sees a costume that he likes and says, "I think I'll go as Beethoven." Steven Segal sees a costume that grabs his attention and says, "I'll be Mozart." Arnold had a tough time finding a costume that he liked, but he eventually found one that appeased his interest. He picks up a costume and said, "I'll be Bach." [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:17 PM
G'day!

Doug - Nice continuation of the Lionel Hudson and changes in company ownership. [tup][tup]

I will gleefully provide Vito the Hit 'n the Boyz to accompany Lars' Goon Squad in paying a "final call" on the JO who has caused you so much grief.[:O]

Hmmmmm, so writing a letter to Coors telling them how much I enjoy their product by the BARREL will result in . . . . [swg] Just a thought!<grin>

Getting back to your articles on Lionel brings to mind some thoughts many have expressed on other Threads and Forums regarding the future of the hobby. Progress costs, it's as simple as that. Technology costs. Innovativeness costs.

The entry of HO (and other scales) into DCC should serve as both an example and warning. These trains are NOT your father's trains! It will be anyone's guess whether the newer stuff will indeed stand the test of time, but insofar as the "bells 'n whistles" are concerned (no pun intended!!) they sure are "nifty" to operate. But oh so expensive and oh so out of reach for the entry level kid. The disparity between "low level" and "state of the art" is hardly what we used to see when comparing O-27 with O gauge.

Just some thoughts . . . .

Thanx to all who bought rounds & provided quarters for our Coal Scuttle!

Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central!)

Later (maybe!)

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:25 PM
Well good evening one and all,I`m finally out from under but well behind the curve ( something of a constant in my life sadly ) looks like this time I`ve excelled myself by missing both a birthday and an elevation to stoolhood (?).
So,without further ado-[4:-)][oX)]TOM-a fresh bottle of the crown royal,a bucket of ice,a little imported Welsh spring water by the side and a belated toast to our man 20 fingers AL [bday]-may your smallest dreams come true,many happy returns (possibly a poor choice of words given your occupation [swg] and our man DOUG-welcome to a select company [^]
Had hoped to have the first operating session of the year on the S.O.B lines this weekend,however the fates decreed otherwise so I am without Pikestuff to contribute.
Instead we had a family outing to the V.o.R,as mentioned last week.
Before I launch into a description I should perhaps point out (before I am accused of Grandstanding ) that there are at least 7 pages of new stuff for me to catch up on-this I will endeavour to do as time permits...........
So,[4:-)][oX)]TOM-set em up again,whilst the Gazette`s cub reporter takes you on a journey through the beautiful mid-Wales countryside-pix to follow...
Despite the usual dire weather predictions which are a traditional part of a Welsh Easter weekend ( thick cloud,rain varying from interrmitant showers to full blown downpours,horizontal sleet,rains of frogs,volcanic eruptions in Cardigan Bay and the like )we arrived in Aberystwyth to find one of those rare spring days when the blood sings and all things are possible.
Our train was hauled by loco #9 `Prince of Wales`,the only original engine on the line(although re-built twice since leaving Davis & Metcalfe`s works in 1903 ).
The consist was :-two open-sided `tourist` coaches,three all-thirds and a brake-compo at the tail.
The first third of the twelve mile run is along the flood-plain of the lower Rheidol valley,the track is surrounded by scruffy light industrial units,cheap looking red brick `rabbit hutch` houses and general dereliction to the south and an S.S.S.I (site of special scientific interest -Missisnick`s domain)around the river to the north.
After Capel Bangor,the first passing place on the line,the work starts in earnest-from here we climb just under 800 ft in 8 miles.
As the valley steepens and narrows the track tucks itself into the south slope and begins a steady 1-50 climb through some exceedingly tight tight curves and narrow cuttings,the view from one side is of moss,lichen and rock,up close and personal and from the other of the rapidly diminishing farms and smallholdings below us.
By now,the `Prince` is working hard,even with a train less than a quarter full-One can only imagine the `bark` of a full load
As we get further up the valley we seem to slip back in time,the age of the automobile is something that happened elsewhere,past the new reservoir we start to see the scars of the lead mines that,together with the tall timber provided the original raison d`etre for the line.
A last big push and we slide through a deep cutting and into Devil`s Bridge,the outer terminus of the line.
A short walk takes us to the gorge ,an impressive geological feature where the river passes below the road at a startling depth.
After this,afternoon refreshments are taken at the Three Bridges Hotel,an authentic looking Edwardian building with a delightfully light and airy tea room redolent with the ghosts of crinoline clad ladies and their sharp-suited beaus-an illusion fostered by the presence of an Alvis saloon and a Norton Commando,both in concours condition,in the parking lot-sadly the photo chip was full by now.
Back to the train and with just one good pull to get us rolling the `Prince` can take it easy back down the valley.
Had a (very) brief chat with the loco crew,apparently both the other engines are currently in bits awaiting major overhaul and they are not looking forward to the high season timetable-it might be that the diesel loco ends up being used-not happy bunnies,difficult descision-balance of opinion" Well,we`ll have to give this bu**er a thrashing again-she`ll take it.
Train-trip over we enjoyed a marvelous fish supper in the popular Victorian sea-side resort of Aberaeron,followed by a pleasant stroll around the harbour and home in time to put small monster daughter Hannah to bed.
Pix to follow sunday (assuming our hosts good graces) plus a more technical run-down of the railway.
Right then chaps,I`m away for now( still recovering from spending 4 nights sleeping on a stone floor,take care,be good,have fun,regards to all,nick,[C=:-)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:50 PM
Hello Nick [C=:-)] and [#welcome] back!

By all means ship those Pix to me - but please, please do not do so on Saturday!! Otherwise, they will wait 'til the following week.[swg]

I recall reading that you were going to be having a "family" Easter - but for some reason must have missed the "pertinents!" Sounds like you had a great RR experience and for that, I'm envious. Sleeping on stone floors on the other hand . . . . not sober anyway![swg]

Yes, we've had a "flurry" of activity 'round the joint lately and not without some consternation. (Info availalbe via Email . . . ) Otherwisse, pretty same-ol, same-ol insofar as the bar has been concerned. Always miss having you 'round the joint, though![tup]

A bit surprised that an excursion train of the "fame" of that you've mentioned only had about 1/4 of the passengers it could hold. 'Tis a pity, for one day they too will disappear from the landscape . . . Ain't that the way of the world[?]

We're gearing up for our Rendezvous as expected - and the RR Book Relay! is en route Wolfman Pete in mid- Missouri for it's next to last leg. Been quite a journey![tup]

Okay, Mate - time for me to check out as well . . . catch ya next time![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:19 PM
Well good evening Leon,your are looking as interested as ever this evening[:D][8]I think a bottle or two of Sleeman's honey brown for something different this evening.

Doug Quite a bot of interesting info on the Lionel hudson's from you today [tup] good show. I have to admit that though I've never enjopyed the look of Lionel products it's facinating to see the information and the sheer volume of product they have put out over the years.hudson's are my most favourite of steam locomotives anyway and seeing the picture of the NYC prototype ones,makes me remember the TH&B's two of the rack J1E's that ruled their passenger trains. The music joke however[tdn][:0][:(!] All I have to say is thre groanameter says get the "fugue" out[;)][:p][swg] Likely too suttle a joke but those who are Bach and Mozart fans should enjoy it.

Tom nice to see you regalling us with more lionel catalogues of old. They always had such wonderfull artwork for their books, it's no wonder that they have been around and in the business for so long.Bye the Bye I do indeed apreciate your putting up with us here in the bar[tup] as well.

Lars i'll take you up on the email note offer. i ahve to gather my thoughts which lately takes some time[:0] Once I collect something coherent i'll send it in your general direction,hopefully not by smoke signal either. actuallu all my bits and bytes were in place it was the forum software that left me in the pixilated dust as it were Wierd and annoying all at the same time[alien]

BK Me thinks with those phot'os today that you were beemmng me a subliminal message[;)][swg] The odd thing about my conectivity issues is that they were only with the Kalmbach forums, I could go everywhere and anywhere else send and read emails etc, but as soon as I would log in here poof iw as bumped away somewhere in the either. Perhaps I've been abusing too many pixles lately[swg]

Shane (CM3) All I can say is wow. If I could only be a millionth as good a modeler as that guy I would truly be one happy camper. truly an awsome talent. thank-you for sharing that url. The PCC's section wasn't bad either.[;)] Ted make sure you take a peak at it

Nick Glad you made it back in. Sounds like quite the operation that they have there. Now is this one of the little narrow guage outfits like the Dimechurch or is was this a regular line[?]

Ted Ah yes it is indeed good to hear you come through the door in the AM feels just like last May and June etc. howeevr it's not proper ediquitte to discuss Boris's [alien]love triangles in polite company[:0][:I]Beside Hilda might still be holding a grudge over the almost wedding last october[:0][8][B)]many thanks for enjoying the fruits of my labours[tup]Glad that they had another enjoyer out there.

Well gents BFN ( Bye for Now )

Rob[^]


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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, April 20, 2006 12:04 AM
All right since it's almost thursday I will attempt to repost the OAPSRR post that was swallowed whole and spit out god knows where by the forum on Monday. Leon another Sleemans to fotify my thoughts if you will,thank you.

CLASSIC STEAM # 22 THE OTTAWA ARNPRIOR AND PARRY SOUND RY


The Ottawa Arnprior and Parry Sound railway was the shortest grain route to the Atlantic at the time it was completed. It's line took it through the wilds of Central Ontario, with trains arriving and departing every twenty minutes. it was also the longest railway ever built and operated by one man in the history of Canadian railway building. The line that John R Booth built.

Despit humble beginings on a Waterloo Quebec farm,John R Booth was destined to become one of the richest men in Canada. Shortly after establishing a saw mill of his own in Hull Quebec,the new commer to the lumber business stunned the Ottawa Lumber Barons by contesting and bidding on the prized contract to build the new Dominions parliament buildings, and winning ! He simply underbid his established rivals and got the job done using unemployed longshoremen from Montreal to build the house's of parliament. The first of his uncanny business doings.

With the money in his pocket from this coup, and the realization that at the time the only way to ship lumber to the vast markets of the US and Europe Booth purchased two floundering railways in 1872 that allowed him to cross the St lawrence river and enter the markets VIA the Vermont Central Railway. In 1879 his Canada Atlantic railway was born, a line that extended from Ottawa to the Atlantic.

His next step was to expand his timber holdings. The rich limits in Algonquin Park came up for auction in 1879-80 so Booth sent his cousin to investigate them. He was amazed to learn of the vastness ( thousands of Hectares of land-all still today a provincial park ). He again outmanovered his rivals, by purcahsing the rights for the unheard of for the time sum of $40,000.Five yeasr later he would be offered a million for the rights ( which he refused ).

His eyes turned to Georgian Bay.As a rail route to that body of water would provide acess to these new tiomber stands, and would also enable him to capture some or all of the burgeoning prarie grain traffic from the CPR and GT. He first purchased the rights to the charter for the Parry Sound Colinization Railroad- this was an effort by Parry Sounders to link their town with the Northern and Pacific Western Railway ( later purcahsed by the CnoR )at Burk's falls. So he began building westward from Ottawa to meet this newly aquired line. The route took him north-westward into the mountains of Renfrew County ( CDN Shield ) and along the coarse of the Madawaska River through Algonquin Park ( The line runs roughly parallel to the HWY 60 Corridor throuhg the Park ) then over the divide and into the struggling settlements in the Parry Sound District.

The biggest problem occured for him in Parry Sound itself. The charter he bought stipulated that Parry Sound be the port terminus of the line,however the local landowners knowing this tried to hold out for gigantic land prices. Booth simply refused to pay and found an Island six miles north that had a better harbour so he built the line there and established the Town of Depot Harbour, now Ontario's largest ghost town. For several decades depot Harbour rivalled Ports like Collingwood and Midland, Booth gained a huge share of the grain ru***raffic as well.

The Ottawa fires that destroyed the orginal Parliament buildings and much of downtown and Booths biggest mill devestated his companies. he did rebuild but new CPR lines to Collingwood and GTR lines through Midland and Owen Sound sucked away his piece of the grain business. Eventually laws were passed banning all but managed logging in Algonquin Park as well. Timbeer is still cut there but it's completly manged. there are even several thousand acres of old first growth forest in the Park that are not logged as they are protected.

Grand trunk Purchased the raillines from booth in the late teens, CNR continued to use the line through Algonquin Park till the late 50's when it was finally abandoned and turned over to Parks. MNR ( ministery of natural resources ) pulled up all the trackage and removed the stations,policy in Algonquin Park is to keep things natural, the only buildings are along the HWY 60 corridor campgrouns which straddle both side of HWY 60 for 80km's.The MNR maintains the roadbed of the line thrugh the Park as a hikeing and winter snowmobile trail so many of the plate girder bridges are still in place, just lacking their trackage.

There is a great book on Booth and his empire available primarily from the gift shop of te logging museum in Algonquin Park. It's aworthwhile read.





Two shots of one of the OAPS RR's bridge over the Madawaska river in Madawa On. This is just outside the west eneterance to Algonquin park.

Rob

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