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[siberianmo]

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We open at 6 AM. (All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


MONDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

Monday has arrived! A bleary eyed start to another work week (for many!). Join us for breakfast – select a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from the Menu Board. Some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, and of course a large mug of steaming hot, freshly ground and brewed coffee![tup]


Daily Wisdom

Ugly women hate mirrors.


Info for the Day:


Something Special will arrive on Track #1 this morning – watch for it!


Railroads from Yesteryear – Western Pacific (WP) arrives Tuesday!


* Weekly Calendar:


Wednesday: Pike Perspective’s Day!
Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


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Comedy Corner

Ten Lines to Make You Smile!


1.. A hangover is the wrath of grapes.

2.. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a cash advance

3.. Stupidity is not a handicap. Park elsewhere!

4..They call it PMS because MadCow Disease was already taken.

5..He who dies with the most toys is nonetheless dead.

6..A picture is worth a thousand words, but it uses up three thousand times the memory.

7..Ham and eggs. A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig.

8.. The trouble with life is there's no background music.

9.. The original point and click interface was a Smith and Wesson.

10.. I smile because I don't know what the hell is going on.


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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre

NOW SHOWING:

Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, April 23rd thru Apr 29th: Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969) starring: Paul Newman, Robert Redford & Kathy Ross –and- The Sting (1973) starring: Paul Newman, Robert Redford & Robert Shaw. SHORT: Men In Black (1934).



SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Apr 2006, 07:03:37 (311) Sunday’s Info & Summary

(2) pwolfe Pete Posted: 23 Apr 2006, 07:59:23 (311) 3 Pix!

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Apr 2006, 08:29:35 (311) Now Playing at the Gazette!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Apr 2006, 11:25:32 (311) 5 Pix from Nick!

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Apr 2006, 11:58:55 (311) Flamingos

(6) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 23 Apr 2006, 12:56:16 (311) 8 Encore Pix!

(7) wanswheel Mike Posted: 23 Apr 2006, 13:49:19 (311) 2 Pix!

(8) pwolfe Pete Posted: 23 Apr 2006, 15:39:32 (311) 4 Pix & URL

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Apr 2006, 16:16:07 (311) 6 Pix!

(10) barndad Doug Posted: 23 Apr 2006, 17:36:06 (311) 8 Pix!

(11) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 23 Apr 2006, 17:40:12 (311) Nick’s comments!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Apr 2006, 18:33:10 (311) Acknowledgments

(13) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 23 Apr 2006, 18:50:16 (311) Pix comments!

(14) nickinwestwales NIck Posted: 23 Apr 2006, 19:42:39 (311) Pix descriptions, etc.




That’s it! [tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

A early good morning to all, hope it was a good weekend. Tom, only time for a Juan Valdez, plain Danish and a "well done" for yesterdays pix. The interior shot of the dome/diner car has a almost surreal effect with the opposing direct reflections off each side of the dome's arched window frames.[:O] In spite of of itself, Hollywood rises to the ocassion now and then. The Eastwood flair for accuracy brought joy with effecting B & M stock from a.k.a. road names. Now, "Flags of Our Fathers" is on my "must see" list. By Gadfrey, what is it about those 1950's black and white snaps that really "hit home?" Doug, it must be exciting "rubbing elbows" with so many film stars. Be careful Pal or the Classic Trains Paparazzi (sp?) will link you to being "intimate" off screen. They won't be talking about knuckle "coupling" either.[:-^] Seems like I died and went to "bear heaven" yesterday with Tom's earlier "blurb" on the Southern Rwy followed by excellent details on S. Rwy #4501submitted by Westcoast S Dave.

The "Dynamic Duo" in the persons of Nick and Pete give "Our" Place a touch of Continental "class;" I must dress appropriately before reading their posts.[:D] Gentlemen, what other "Thread" can make this claim? BK, I hope the c.c. I sent along with a message to Lars came through? BTW, did anyone else notice the variety of air conditioning duct work on the Heavyweights from I.R.M.? There is evidence of "faring" on some duct work roofs while none on others. I've made that distinction on my models too. Let's just call it the "subliminal effect."[swg]

I hate to spritz and run but its Monday and "B.S. waits for no man."[xx(] Tom, Here Is a Linclon for the Scuttle and the early a.m. Herr Wurlitzer "s..t kickin' set." No offence intended to CM3 and the rest of you C.W. clod hoopers affecionados. Happy rails.

P.S. Will May 11 ever get here?

[siberianmo]

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SOMETHING very SPECIAL arrives on Track #1

THIS morning![tup]

Watch for it!


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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[siberianmo]

G’day Gents!

Another Monday after a rather interesting, if not perplexing at times, weekend at our cyber bar ‘ n grill. Cheers to those who took the time and made the effort to participate in ENCORE! Saturday (Rob ‘n Doug) and Sunday Photo Posting Day! (Nick – Doug – Pete ‘n Mike [tup][tup][tup]

Thanx for the positive comments regarding the Pix – all of ‘em! [yeah]


It happened again and apparently there is no end to it. Unfortunately, these comments most probably will never reach those needing to read it – but here goes (again):

Logging on to this Thread and getting THE MOST CURRENT INFORMATION isn’t a mystery of life. Too many times we experience the unintended consequences of technology – people using it incorrectly without any effort to correct their actions (or inactions!).

There was a Post on Saturday that wasn’t even “close” in points of reference – and in spite of direct comments, no effort to change “wayward” ways. Then we continue seeing people logging in without so much as a “fair thee well” to the most recent Posts.

What to do[?]

(1) When logging in to the Thread – use the RELOAD/REFRESH (called different “things” with different systems) feature.
(2) Go to “ACTIVE TOPICS” and click it.
(3) Go to “ACTIVE TOPICS SINCE” and click it.
(4) Select “LAST 6 HOURS” and click it.

This should bring up the MOST RECENT POSTS.

Using the RELOAD/REFRESH feature on a routine basis can only enhance you online experience!

Why would anyone want to continue missing what other’s have been providing[?]


I see we’ve had an early morning visit from Theodorebear Ted – nice to see ya![tup]

So, what happened to Count Robulla[?][?] Dare I venture a guess – more connectivity problems[?] I think that’s two consecutive “missed” Sundays. <groan> More importantly, we need our Bar Chandler on board to keep things “ship shape!”


Okay, boyz – watch for the SPECIAL FEATURE coming down the track this morning!


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present: Coffee, please; round for the house, and $ for the jukebox.

Wow! What a lot of material over the weekend.

Thanks to our ‘steamed proprietor for dome car nomenclature (I’m allowed one big word a week!) This was followed by Lars, the doyen of domeology

Next we had Rob with diesel conversions. I remember seeing the heater cars in use on ATK, CN and on CP.

Barndad – The “Isabella,” back when everything was decorated and chairs had “limbs,” not “legs.”

Next we had ads from several folks
CN. LV, SOU, British Railways

And visits from Pete and Dave; BTW, I never left! Pete – Nice shots of Kingston and Mystic. The Kingston depot was restored not too long ago. My dad tells stories of seeing New Haven I5s blasting through there at VERY high rates pf speed.

Interesting information on 4501 and the NS stem program.

Then we have a montage of “expired flamingos.” There goes KFC!

Pete – Tank engine pictures were most worthwhile. Nick sent pictures, too, and captions later.

CP pictures, especially of the F units were most welcome. I still like the gray and maroon colors far better than the red/white.

Last (but not least) is Barndads pictures of the CB&Q at Chicago – I never met an E unit I didn’t like, but the Burlington’s, with the slant nose are truly beautiful. Then the cars, what can we say here, except thanks for sharing

Now, I’m getting ready to go to the Mentor Theatuh. Two good pictures scheduled. Also, “Men in Black.” A buddy of mine who’s a pharmacist (former Navy corpsman), has the slogan “For Duty and Humanity” prominently displayed in his workspace.

Note to our ‘steamed proprietor. Weather Channel is running segments about the Coast Guard. Last night, they did a piece on USCG activities around Gloucester and Cape Ann. Nice to see the home front. Check it out if you get a chance, it’s called (God help us) Coast Guard Storm Stories.

Here’s a little about the K&T.

Kentucky and Tennessee Railway
Stearns to Oz (10.5 miles)
Operated for Freight Service Only.
Connecting at Stearns with the CNO&TP Ry.

Western Pacific tomorrow – I’m looking forward to it.

Work safe

[siberianmo]

Today is the 51st ANNIVERSARY of the train called The Canadian, the pride and joy of the Canadian Pacific Railway.

Share in this remembrance, by enjoying the following![tup][tup][tup]





Canadian Railways of the Past

Number Five: Canadian Pacific’s The Canadian




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The Canadian



VIA Rail Canada's Canadian

The Canadian is a Canadian transcontinental passenger train originally operated by the Canadian Pacific Railway. It is currently operated by VIA Rail Canada (as the Canadian) with service between Union Station in Toronto, Ontario and Pacific Central Station in Vancouver, British Columbia.


Route map of The Canadian


Canadian Pacific

In the years following World War II, passenger trains on the CPR consisted of a mixture of prewar heavyweight and pre- and post-war lightweight cars, even on their flagship transcontinental The Dominion and its eastern extension, The Atlantic Limited. While these cars were serviceable, American trains of the early 1950s, such as the California Zephyr, had already adopted streamlined all-stainless steel consists featuring domed observation cars. Following an evaluation in 1949 of the dome cars featured on the General Motors / Pullman Standard demonstrator Train of Tomorrow, CPR management, including then Vice-president Norris Crump resolved to upgrade their rolling stock. In 1953 CPR placed an order for 155 stainless steel cars with the Budd Company of Philadelphia that included 18 rear-end dome cars (Park series), 18 Skyline mid-train dome cars, 30 coaches, 18 dining cars and 71 sleeping cars (Manor and Chateau series). A subsequent order for 18 baggage-crew dormitory cars brought the final to total to 173 cars, sufficient for establishing an entirely new transcontinental service and partially re-equippiping The Dominion. The interior design of these new cars was contracted to the Philadelphia architectural firm Harbeson, Hough, Livingston & Larson (a company known for its industrial designs on other prominent passenger trains such as the Pioneer Zephyr), and the resulting furnishings and pastel-shaded colour schemes were widely acclaimed. After deciding to name the Park series dome cars after famous Canadian parks, leading Canadian artists, including members of the Group of Seven, were commissioned to paint suitable murals for these cars. When the decision was made to add budget sleeping cars, the Budd order was supplemented by 22 existing heavyweight sleepers that CPR refurbished in its own Angus Shops, each fitted out with Budd-style stainless steel cladding. To complement the new rolling stock, the CPR ordered General Motors Diesel FP9 locomotives to supplement an existing fleet of FP7's. Although these F-units remained the preferred power for the train, it was occasionally pulled by a variety of motive power, including Montreal Locomotive Works FPA-2's, and, as late as 1959, Steam locomotives.

CPR christened their new flagship train The Canadian and service began on April 24, 1955. Although CPR competitor Canadian National Railways began its own new transcontinental service, the Super Continental, on the same day, CPR was able to boast honestly that The Canadian was "The first and only all-stainless steel 'dome' stream-liner in Canada" — it was not until 1964 that the CNR acquired dome cars. CPR operated the train in two sections east of Sudbury, Ontario. The section operating between Montreal and Vancouver (also serving Ottawa) was known as train 1 westbound and train 2 eastbound, with a connecting section to or from Toronto splitting or joining at Sudbury (this section was known as train 11 westbound, and train 12 eastbound). Matching its streamlined appearance, The Canadian's 71 hour westbound schedule was 16 hours faster than that of The Dominion.

Although initially successful, passenger train ridership began to decline in Canada during the 1960s. Facing competition from airlines and increased automobile usage following construction of the Trans-Canada Highway, the CPR cancelled The Dominion in 1966, and petitioned the government to discontinue The Canadian in 1970. Although this petition was denied, CPR during the 1970s attempted to remove itself from the passenger service market. The Canadian was operated at reduced levels, with the government subsidising 80 percent of its losses.

VIA Rail

The federal Crown corporation VIA Rail Canada formally assumed responsibility for CPR's passenger services on October 29, 1978, although the VIA identity wasn't assumed by the trains themselves until the following summer. Following the takeover by VIA, the Canadian became the company's premier transcontinental train, and initially operated over its old CPR route. It was supplemented by the former CN Super Continental, which operated over the parallel, but more northerly, CN route. The Canadian continued to be operated in two sections east of Sudbury and provided daily service west to Vancouver and east to Toronto and Montreal.

In the aftermath of the deep budget cuts made to VIA Rail on January 15, 1990, the Super Continental service was abolished and the Canadian was moved from the CPR route to the Super Continental's CN route. This maintained transcontinental service and allowed VIA to operate its government-mandated service to small communities along the line. The CN route is widely acknowledged to be less scenic, particularly in the sections through the Rocky Mountains and north of Lake Superior. Service was also reduced to 3 days per week. Today, VIA Rail continues to operate the Canadian using the CN route with rebuilt ex-CPR Budd passenger equipment.

While some rail travel and heritage purists no longer consider this to be the true Canadian, VIA retains the name, train numbers, and equipment of the original.


References

• Classic Trains, Spring 2005, Kalmbach Publishing, ISSN 1527-0718 pg. 58-69


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The Canadian FOTO ALBUM


Caveat: All photographs used were obtained from Canadian Pacific web sources. They are used herein strictly for the pleasure of the participants of this Thread, with no monetary profit motive intended, whatsoever.


CP "The Canadian" (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" baggage car (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" baggage dormitory car (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" baggage & baggage dormitory cars (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" coach (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" Skyline dome-cafe car (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" "Wascana" diner (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" Chateau class sleeper (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" Manor class sleeper (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" Banff obs dome (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" departing Banff (1955) (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" Banff obs dome (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" Banff dome obs (foto credit: CP)



CP "The Canadian" Banff dome obs (foto credit: CP)


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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]


Did you miss the first four in the series[?] Click on the URL:
#1 Canadian Northern Railway (CNoR), page 246
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=246&TOPIC_ID=35270
#2 Northern Alberta Railways (NAR), page 249
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=249&TOPIC_ID=35270
#3 British Columbia Railways (BCR) (Two Parts), pages 261-262
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=261&TOPIC_ID=35270
#4 Hudson Bay Railway (HBRY), page 278



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[coalminer3]

Good Afternoon (!) Barkeep and all Present: coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

My compliments on the article on the 51st anniversary of the Canadian! Great car shots, locomotives and so on. The interior shots were most interesting for colors, arrangements, etc.

Here's something from 1969 ORG on the Canadian. Of note is the wide variety of sleeper accommodations along with the references to streamlined equipment.

The Canadian
'Scenic-Dome" Stalinless Steel Streamliner
All Space Reserved - No Extra Fare

Montreal-Vancouver 71 hrs., 30 min.
Toronto-Vancouver 68 hrs, 15 min.
Vancouver-Montreal 70hrs, 50 min.
Vancouver-Toronto 67 hrs, 10 min.

For added convenience, seats may be reserved for dinner in the Deluxe Dining Room Car

Equipment
Scenic Dome lounge sleepers with drawing room and bedrooms
Scenic Dome coffee shop
Dining Room Car
Stainless steel streamlined sleepers with drawing rooms, compartments, bedrooms, roomettes, duplex roomettes, standard berths
Stainless steel streamlined coaches with reserved seats

Again - thanks to our 'steamed proprietor for sharing this with us. Now let's adjourn to the lounge.

work safe

[trolleyboy]

Good afternoon Sir Tom. I must first say that you have done the CP proud today, wonderfull story and photo essay on the Canadian.[tup][:D][yeah] So around of double CR's for everyone today. I had hoped to fully participate yesterday with several picture extravaganza's, nut a large and lengthy line of Thunderstorms decided to hover over the city from late saturday till the wee hours this morning. I didn't feel like getting the ole zap so I stated away. Lots of trees telephone wires and all things conductable around the homestead. [sigh][:(]

I have to say quite a nice spread of pioctures yesterday from all sides of the globe as well !

Lars Loved the reroll of your dome shots. I have recieved your latest email, I will put a few thoughts togehter and answer you back fer sure fer sure !

Doug Loved the shots ! glad that you were able to make it in,nice to see the classic CB&Q train back in a passenger station even if it was just for a movie shoot. talk about the time warp !

Pete Yours and your friends shots were all quite good,I'm glad to see that the photo posting bug has bit hard [swg] Those stations remind me of many of the rural CnoR and early CPR stations from south and southwestern Ontario.

Ted i'm glad that Tom was able to clear up the story of the "count" not a position on the posting times I can do much to change, there has to one night owl at least amongst us though .I have secured hopefully a couple of treats for us on the 13th so lets hope the 11th gets here quicker than we believe.What is it now 19 more sleeps, as we said to our nieces and nephews when a big trip or xmas, was comming and the excitment was building.

Tom Hopefully the next few weekends you won't have to encore all by yourself. Next saturday (29} is the museum's anual meeting so I'll drop an early and then if all goes well several later on encore's to keep the bar a rolling.I urge everyone to jump on board, lets make saturday's one of our busiest traffic days at the bars ( the girls tip jars are smaller than they would like, and they won't wear the new uniforms unless the tips get bigger.[;)] Bigger tips ie more patrons, skimpier uniforms [swg] )

Dave I'm glad that your second post on saturday landed on target, good info on the Southern steam program and the preserved steam.

Coalminer i'm glad that you enjoyed the tail end of the weeks postings,good info add on's to the Bosses CPR posts today as well [tup]

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Here's a couple of shots to add to the semi theme of the CPR/VIA Candian and of coarse budd cars in general. these were to have been part of yesterday's contributions but alas... at least today's disscussions allow some excuse for their use.[swg]



Solid Budd car consist on VIA train 79 in the corridor .



Shot of CPR's "Empress" 2816 many times the star power for the rare miliage Royal candian Pacific trains tom so thoughtfully posted yesterday for us.







Three shots of ex CNR / NYC sleeper car Dorcas Bay, now located at our museum as a bedroom for our overnight crews. Dorcas Bay was purchased from the NYC and saw service all over the CN system including the odd run on the Super Continental.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

kay another round for the house I think Tom, the relief crew from the Mentor Villiage track crew should be in shortly for their weekly poker and backammon tournaments. Boris shine up the dice and the chip sets for them.

here's another blast from the past, a CN / GT passenger ad from the early 50's. In keeping with the passenger car info being thrown around today.



enjoy be back later.

Rob

[LoveDomes]

Hiya Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

A better day than most and it looks like a great day here at the bar insofar as Tom's "special post" is concerned! Fantastic and well done, mate! a 5-[tup] Salute to you, Sir! [tup][tup][tup][tup][tup]

The Canadian Pacific of those times, and B4, was a magnificent passenger road. I always like the maroon livery with those great looking Beaver heralds - nicely done. [tup]

Now I "know" why we were treated to those other great pix of the CP for our Sunday Pix Bash! - a celebration of historic proportions regarding North American passenger railroading. Cheers to the Canadian Pacific! [yeah]

Wonderful supplemental stuff from our friend, Coalminer3-I'm-not-Shane-what's-his-face! [swg] (now that's a mouthful . . . )

Speaking of - how about a large frosty mug of whatever you have on draught and just some snack stuff, if you please. Here's a ten spot for the next bunch who comes in! [tup]

Good to see ya back in the daylight, "Count Robulla," and we were hoping your absence would be only temporary - it was! Smart move staying away from 'things' that can be "zapped" and in turn "zap" you! Why tempt the fates[?] Saw more than one guy "get it" in my lifetime and it ain't pretty.

A confession, of sorts. I must admit to being rather naive insofar as Canadian passenger railroading was concerned, until arriving at this thread and Kapitan Tom's love affair with all things Canadian. (Married a gal from up there as I understand! [swg]) Anyway, it isn't that my travels didn't take me to the northland - they did, and I rode some trains while at it. But, my appetite was more in line with the roads of the northeast, with the California Zephyr being a runaway exception.

Now that U.S. passenger railroading has pretty much dwindled down to only one game in town and that ain't "prime time," I'm rethinking about taking the "Canadian" from Toronto to Vancouver. (Yes, Tom - I understand the subtle difference between "The Canadian" and the "Canadian!") [swg] Anyway, I'm 'working' on a plan . . . wish me luck.

A spate of e-mail traffic in and out . . . so check your baskets boys! [swg] Thanx to all who communicated! [tup]

Tom I want you to "step aside" for as much as this Wednesday as you care to . . . "The Lars Man" will be your "Guest Bartender!" [tup] Appreciate the "okay" via e-mail . . . [tup] Now for those reading these words, don't panic! All I'm going to do is try to maintain a degree of "flow" to the day's activities, barring any unforeseen circumstances -which are KNOWN to seek me out!<groan> Time for "the man" to take a well deserved break.
I welcome any help out there that comes along . . .

Ya know, I think we had a fairly good Photo Bash and it looks to me as if the quality sure overrides any quantity issues. Those pix were all super interesting and well done!

Hey Wolfman! Get your mate to visit us - what's keeping him[?] We don't bite - well, speaking for everyone OTHER than Boris & Tex that is! [swg]

Thanx, Mike for the "St. George" S.I.R.T. pix - nicely done! [tup] Must admit to having no thought to the 'real' St. George's Day taking place on "the Continent!"

Time for one more, then I best return to the day's events here at the "ranch!" . . . Yes, honey - I'm on the way . . . (Ah, married life is bliss - as in blister!) [swg]


Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Nice to see CM3 -aka: I'm not Shane come back for a 2nd visit and glad that the CP "did it" for ya! [tup] Your additional info most probably referred to a time when the CPR ran "The Canadian" in Action Red colo(u)rs! Not my favorite, either . . .

The return of Count Robulla and in daylight at that! Do you bath in sun screen, Herr Count[?} [swg] Great Pix and nice Ad as well! [tup][tup][tup] I concur with Lars - much, much better to be safe than sorry. Just isn't the same 'round here without our "trolleywirewalker!" [swg] Which I'll try to get you to do after a "few" at our Rendezvous <grin>

Lars Always a pleasure to have you stop by and you've been extremely dependable trying to keep to a time slot in the PM. Thanx very much for that effort! [tup][tup][tup]

I must "qualify" your comments about my "love affair with all things Canadian." Perhaps we could change that to "most" rather than "all." For I surely have continuing heartburn over a few political issues, not to mention . . . well, I won't! [swg] See, I CAN contain myself - I think I can, I think I can . . . . .

In rereading the days Posts, I neglected to thank "The Bear Man" for his contribution to our Coal Scuttle! - much appreciated! [tup][tup]

I spent most of the day in the Can-Am Train Room doing "photo shoots" of my assorted CP - CPR and VIA Rail passenger trains making up "The Canadian" and "Canadian." (Yes, Lars - "you done good!") [swg] Anyway, it was a rather exasperating time trying to get the consists to run properly. You see, much of what is in my display cases was never "prepared" for layout operation - no weighting, no adustments to wheels and couplers, etc. Got some decent Pix and I'll provide 'em for the Wednesday PIke Perspective's Day . . . or at least I'll give it a try! [swg]

So, The Lars Man will be our very first "Guest Barkeep" on Wednesday. Fine with me - it will be interesting to see how many guys pick up on it . . . we know that those who seemingly don't read the Posts will never know the difference - IF they show up at all, that is! <groan>

Thanx to all who bought rounds and provided some $$$ [tup]

Okay boyz, time for me to help get the evening meal going . . . .

Catch y'all later!

REMINDER! Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central!)

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening gentlemen all,[4:-)][oX)]TOM-care to join me in a little livener ?,better send one through to CM3 in the lounge and looks like everybody else`s glasses are convieniently empty so fire `em in please and here`s to "The Canadian"-quite possibly Canada`s most widely known tourist icon ( everyone has it somewhere on their list whatever other things may feature).
A splendid read thank you TOM-and an intriguing set of pix-some very smart C.G.I stuff going on there,nice [tup].
Interesting point at the end about the debate as to `authenticity`-is it still the same train ?.
For me,having the dual advantages of distance and lack of commitment to any particular lobby the answer must be yes-It still serves the same function,in the same manner.
You however have the considerable advantage of me having been aboard.

ROB-A fine pic & poster combo there-got a real soft spot for that blue livery,must be subconcious flash on those old Tri-Ang Transcontinental blue cars.

Well,flying visit tonight-the siren call of the cement mixer beckons for the morning.
Another round for the house before I wend my way-have a good one guys,nick [C=:-)]

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.

Wonderful pictures every day here, today no exception.

Dave's post got me googling for pictures again
http://photographic-vision.net/jerryspringer/Southern-4501-18%20springer.jpg Locomotive 4501
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/8/1/08-0061a.gif Lookout Mountain in Civil War days

Truthfully I never heard of St. George's Day until yesterday, but I do recall a St. Joseph's Day when the swallows return (March 19). Here's an old shot of the SP? tracks at Mission San Juan Capistrano
http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:RAD.SCHL:174793?buttons=y&viewheight=480&viewwidth=640

Hats off to Lars for volunteering to bartend, but his most important contribution, in my humble opinion, is to post above his Support the Troops ribbon, which reminds one and all that Our Place does not exist in a vacuum. Appropos of nothing trainwise, from the era of the Penn Central merger, here's a link to one of the best photographs of anything on the Internet: http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/30/36-2958a.gif "Home is where you dig it."

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and a round please.

It was something special on Track #1 and the scene was well set yesterday TOM with the great CP F diesel photos, I really enjoyed those pics of the locos producing steam heating, leading to todays Canadian post. There seemed a large investment in new Budd cars and GM diesels for the service also going the extra mile with the furnishing of the cars. the train certainly deserved a longer time on the CP than changing transport modes gave it. It must have caused great sadness among CP staff and fans when it was transferred in VIA days to the rival CN route.
Thanks for the map and the interesting pics following. The photo of the train and the caribou [?]in the snow is one my favorite photos. Many thanks as well to ROB for the photos and ad and CM3 for the car info [tup][tup][tup].

DOUG Great photos yesterday if it wasn't for the captions they could of been taken in the 40s or 50s. thanks for sharing them with us [tup]. It is good to see the film makers are trying to make the railroad scenes as authentic as possible.
All we need is Flags Of Our Fathers to premiere at the Emporium[yeah].

TED Glad you liked the pics. I dont think I am posh enough to be a continental[sigh].
I meant to say earlier that is a great link to the UK steam MIKE gave us. A few of the photos were taken in my home town of Rugby and show the factory I was at for 36 years also in the background of one is the bridge I spent many happy hours watching trains as a youngster.

CM3 We came across Kingston station by accident. If I recall it was on a straight stretch of track and steam locos at speed passing through must have been a marvellous sight. [wow][yeah]. Glad you liked the pics.

LARS I'll try again to get my mate to visit us. I will try to help keep the bar profits up Wednesday with you. [tup].

NICK. Thanks for the discriptions on the V of R at Aberystwyth.The PW wagons do indeed look like smaller versions of the Seacows, I wonder if the SEA names for the departmental wagons is still in use[?] One if my favourites was the Shark ballest plough/ brake vans( caboose). I recall there was one type of wagon named Pollack but this had to be dropped as vandels would change one letter of the name[:-^], or so I read.

So you are not the keen on that particular brand of 'Hoggin"( as a mate used to call them) as advertised on the DMU[?].

The worst ever was a Midland Compound in the late 50s or early 60s was used by a national newspaper to haul a special to Blackpool it was painted, I believe( i have only seen a black and white photo) bright red and yellow. after the trip it was immediately withdrawn an ignoble end for a fine engine[V].

As to the Beattie well tanks there are two preserved I have just read in Steam Railway that the same gentleman that sponsered the restoration of the one in the pic #30587 is to pay for #30585 to run again. The loco is at the Buckingham Railway Centre I believe that 30587 is owned by the National Railway Museum.

Good to see you in Nick and I'll have a look at those links now MIKE.

Good day at the bar TOM [tup][tup][tup]. PETE.

[siberianmo]

Good Evenin’ Gents!

Just a few words before signing off – a good day at the bar, especially for a Monday! One just never, ever knows about this place! [swg]

nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 17:35:27

Are you working for “Vito the Hit!”[?] Several have wondered aloud what this cement mixing is all about . . . So what have I missed – C.G.I [?][?] Used to mean “Coast Guard Intelligence”<grin> ‘splain, please!

Yes, the Canadian Pacific undoubtedly was a “world standard,” no matter what my favorite road (PRR) claimed. The Budd cars “made” that train and irrespective of today’s routing, the cars remain as a testament to those wonderful days where traveling by rail was indeed a treat for those who could afford the amenities!


wanswheel Mike Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 18:06:15

The “URLMeister” returns! Loved that Southern loco! [tup]


pwolfe Pete Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 19:05:13

Lotsa info in your Post and another fine example of what our effort to be “inclusive” is all about! [tup][tup][tup]

That VIA Rail Pix with the Elk is my favorite as well – good taste! [swg]

There was a huge investment in passenger trains in the U.S. and Canada almost immediately after WWII ended. It was the RRs “last gasp” at trying to stem the tide that surely was about to change the face of personal travel in North America. It’s a story that has been told very well and perhaps one day, one of us will summarize it for presentation here.


Okay boyz – that’s it for me. Ring the bell, Boris and the drinks are on me! [tup]


Leon the Night Man has the bar – came in early!


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon,an early start for you today as well,impressive.I think I'll just do a tall draft of Keith's this evening sir, thank -you.

Tom Yes I have to say , quite a good day all in all at the ole bar. A relitivly urgent email is on it's way to you as well[:(] I do keep a vat of spf100 handy for my daylight forays into the mentor villiage[;)][:p]. At least the inmates residents don't run in fear when they see me approach anymore[:D].I look forward to the next, batch of Canam train shots [tup][yeah] Sorr I don't do highwire acts anymore,not after what happened to the Flying Walendas[:0][B)][xx(]

lars Jumping in with both feet on wednesday eh[?] Good show, I'll try to be as around as I can for you that day,I'm sure it will work out well [tup] I didn't want my computer to blow up so if in doubt i always leave it off. I was semi zapped once and have vowed never to go there again[:0] I know you need to hear the story so leon another draft please. It was a similar storm of 10 yeasr ago now , i was sitting on my futon( iron bedframe ) watching the tube. I had a the basement apt at the time, ligthning hit a water main 4 blocks away and the after effects travelled through the old iron pipes which ran under the subfloor of my bedroom to the ensuite. I felt a good tingle fo about 20 seconds,not enough to do any damage but enough to scare the who ha out of me. [B)][:0]

Nick I too am very interested in your new found love of the cement mixer[;)][:0][B)][xx(] Nothing horrible I trust[?]Also I'm also one of the few that actually liked the "blue line " paint job on VIA rail. I have a set of FA2's and six old riverossi cars painted that way for running whenever I manage to get the ole rail line moving again in the attic. Yes Tom procrastinatuion still has me in it's grip[:I][V]

pete Do try to get your friend in here, he does have a wonderfull eye for the photographs.

Mike excellent urls from our local research dept as well good stuff [tup]


Rob

[trolleyboy]

Okay gents one more post before the count heads back to the crypt. A continuation of friday's non powered locomotive conversions.

CLASSIC DIESELS # 19 LOCOMOTIVE CONVERSIONS PT 2

This piece will cover two other types of old locomotives conversions, completed to help keep passenger trains going.

Head-End Power Cars

head end electric power to provide heat and ligth to passenger cars was not a new idea, the Milwaukee road did build and convert cars to provide light and heat as mentione din the first part of this classic.However the standard method to provide ligthing for passenger cars had come to consist of a truck mounted generator and storage batteries under each car.On long distance higher speed mainline passenger trains this was fine,however on stop and start suburban commuter trains which tended to run shorter slower runs, some form of head end power car was still needed as the short runs and slower speeds prevented proper battery charging.The first systems were fed directly from t a large turbo generator mounted on the boiler of the locomotive or on the tenders in the days of steam,then later as diesels came envogue from the diesel driven generator in the locomotive or mounted in a speacially converted coach or combine car.

Some railroads decided that it was cheaper to house this "head end power" in a locomotive carbody,and could then also serve as the control cab for the non-locomotive end of a push / pull configured train. Good examples of this would be Go transit using converted F7's and the Long Island railroad's FA2's. The Prime movers were removed and small catapiller diesels were placed in their place to provide the hotel power for the coaches. the control satnds were left in along with the mu controls so that the "dummy" could control the trains travel in the one direction of every trip. This avoided the need to turn and remarshall the passenger trains which saves time which is of coarse of prime importance in a commuter type situation.

As with any conversion process a transition period is required.For example as Amtrak began replacing the older axel generator equiped cars with newer head end power cars and replacing the older locomotives such as the SDP40F's which provided steam heating with F40's. They would provide some interm cars and locomotive conversions to compensate for a mixture of the new and old equipment. Some coaches had interm HEP units installed to provide light for new Amfleet equipment while several old surplus E units were converted to steam heat cars for use with the older steam heated coaches still in service.

E8A's 495-499 had their steam generators replaced by HEP units at ICG's Paducah shops in 1975, the sdame year E9B's 1916-1921 were converted to steam heater cars in 1977 at Amtraks own Hialieah shops in Miami. Amtrak maintained these cars and used them right up till the end of the steam heated car era ( early 80's )

Fuel Tender's

The Northern Pacific was the first railway to employ a purpoe built fuel tender, their "water baggage cars ". In these cars extra capacity fuel tanks and water tanks for steam heat boilers were carried and piped to the adjacent locomotives.This was done as the F units that pulled the long distance passenger trains for the NP only had limited space for water and fuel on board. This allowed for less refueling stops and better run times for the main name trains of the line.

Similar problems were found with the new F40PH's on Amtrak. The F40's small fuel tanks lead to excess fuel stops on the transcontinental runs.This is off coarse undesirable when one is schedualling this type of train service,also by lessening the number of fuel stops Amtrak could save on the paymnenbts they made to the host railroads who's fuel and fuel facilities they were using.In 1978 E8A 400 was experamentally converted into a fuel tender. The prime miver was removed and in its place six 1350 gallon fuel tanks ( were old water tanks removed from the SDP40's ) that plus the units actual fuel tank gave it a carry capacity of 9300 gallons !This was enough fuel for the entire Chicago-Seattle trip without having to stop for refueling. This tender was not duplicated and the experament only lasted for a couple of years

Rob

[siberianmo]

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TUESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

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Railroads from Yesteryear – Western Pacific (WP) arrives TODAY!


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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Apr 200, 05:27:49 (312) Monday’s Info & Summary

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 06:44:11 (313) Bear It all!

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 07:20:36 (313) Something Special – Ad

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 07:47:24 (313) Commentary, etc.

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 08:51:13 (313) Inclusive Post, Shane-style!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 10:22:25 (313) Canadian Rwys of the Past – CP’s “The Canadian”

(7) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 12:18:14 (313) Part deux! CP, etc.

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 13:11:24 (313) Inclusive Post, etc.

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 13:21:49 (313) 5 “Sunday” Pix!

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 13:29:10 (313) CN/GT Ad

(11) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 14:31:16 (313) Lars Report!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 17:06:45 (313) Acknowledgments, etc.

(13) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 17:35:27 (313) Nick Speaks! On point!

(14) wanswheel Mike Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 18:06:15 (313) URLs & Pix, etc.

(15) pwolfe Pete Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 19:05:13 (313) Wolfman Howls! Good stuff!

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 20:25:11 (313) Acknowledgments, etc.

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 21:55:04 (313) Inclusive Post, etc.!

(18) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 22:35:56 (313) Classic Diesels #19 – Loco Conversions, Pt II




That’s it! [tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

Good morning guys. Sorry to do a "post and run", but I didn't want anyone to think I've forgotten. You. Busy day yesterday and today until late. I'll try to get caught-up later this evening. Again .. sorry for having to be so brief!

[siberianmo]

Now arriving on track #1 …..
Railroads from Yesteryear! Number Sixteen


Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.


Western Pacific Railroad (WP)




Reporting marks: WP

Locale: California, Nevada, and Utah

Dates of operation: 1903 – 1983

Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)

Headquarters: San Francisco, California



"Drumhead" logos such as these often adorned the ends of observation cars on the Western Pacific Railroad.

The Western Pacific Railroad (AAR reporting mark WP) was a Class I railroad in the United States. It is now part of Union Pacific Railroad (UP).


History

Founded in 1903, the Western Pacific Railroad was built as a portion of the Gould family's efforts to create a transcontinental railroad in the late 19th and early 20th century.

One of the American West’s most popular railroads, the WP attracted rail enthusiasts from around the world. From 1910 to 1982, its diverse route provided scenic views of the San Francisco Bay Area, the mountain communities of the famous Feather River Route, and the deserts of Nevada and Utah. The Western Pacific originated in 1900 as the Alameda and San Joaquin Railroad. The railroad which would become the Western Pacific was financed and built by the Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad, under the direction of George Jay Gould I, to provide a standard gauge track connection to the Pacific Coast. In 1909, it became the last railroad completed into California.

In 1931, WP opened a second mainline north out of the Feather River Canyon to reach the Great Northern Railway in northern California. This route, called the "Highline", joined the Oakland to Salt Lake City mainline at a junction known as the Keddie Wye. Considered the heart of the railroad, this unique structure featured two steel trestles and a tunnel, all forming a triangle of intersecting track.


A 1930 map of the Western Pacific and Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad systems.

One of the more well-known aspects of the Western Pacific was its operation of the California Zephyr passenger train, in conjunction with the Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad and the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad. The WP handled the "Silver Lady" from Oakland, California, to Salt Lake City, Utah.

Since it competed directly with the long-entrenched and much larger Southern Pacific Railroad, the WP became a company known both for its innovation and for wringing every dollar out of an investment. It was the first large railroad in the West to eliminate steam locomotives in favor of diesels, then kept some of these early diesels running in regular service long after they had been retired elsewhere. It embraced computerized dispatching, concrete crossties and innovative equipment to protect customer shipments, at the same time fielding antique wooden cabooses and rebuilding outmoded freight cars.


Western Pacific #581, a Baldwin Locomotive Works VO-1000, is seen in a September, 1945 builder's photo. (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)

The Western Pacific owned several connecting short-line railroads. The largest and most well-known was the Sacramento Northern Railway, which at one time reached from San Francisco to Chico, California. Others included the Tidewater Southern Railway and the Deep Creek Railroad.

The Western Pacific was acquired in 1983 by Union Pacific Corporation, the owner of its long-time rival, the Union Pacific Railroad. In July 2005, Union Pacific unveiled a brand new EMD SD70ACe locomotive, Union Pacific 1983, in full Western Pacific colors as part of a new heritage program.

References

• Western Pacific Railroad Historical Society
• WP Lives website; Western Pacific History
• National Railroad Museum, Green Bay, Wisconsin
• Encyclopedia of Western Railroad History
• Union Pacific Railroad
• Union Pacific Historical Society



Western Pacific #3009, an EMD GP35, stops for servicing in Stockton, California in 1974. (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)



Western Pacific #805A, an EMD FP7 locomotive on display in June, 1999 at the Portola Railroad Museum in Portola, California. (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]



Did you miss any of the previous fifteen[?] Click the URL:

#1: Baltimore & Ohio (B&O
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=233&TOPIC_ID=35270
#2: Chesapeake & Ohio (C&O)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=234&TOPIC_ID=35270
#3: Pennsylvania (PRR)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=237&TOPIC_ID=35270
#4: New York Central (NYC)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=240&TOPIC_ID=35270
#5: New Haven (NYNH&H)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=242&TOPIC_ID=35270
#6: Santa Fe (ATSF) (Two Parts)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=246&TOPIC_ID=35270
#7: Southern Pacific (SP)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=253&TOPIC_ID=35270
#8: Northern Pacific (NP)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=259&TOPIC_ID=35270
#9: Coastline/Seaboard (ACL – SCL – SAL) (Two Parts)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=267&TOPIC_ID=35270
#10: Southern Railway (SOU)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=276&TOPIC_ID=35270
#11: Denver and Rio Grande Western (D&RG)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=282&TOPIC_ID=35270
#12: Great Northern Railway (GN)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=287&TOPIC_ID=35270
#13: Missouri Pacific (MP)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=293&TOPIC_ID=35270
#14: Illinois Central (IC)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=299&TOPIC_ID=35270
#15: Boston & Maine (B&M)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=307&TOPIC_ID=35270

[siberianmo]

THEME for the DAY! - THEME for the DAY!

Here’s another Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:
first Posted on page 108

Western Pacific (WP)

Headquarters: San Francisco, CA

Route mileage in 1950: 1,137

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel - 174

Rolling stock in 1950: Freight cars – 5,532; Passenger cars – 29

Principal routes in 1950 (not including subsidies):

Oakland-Stockton-Sacramento, CA-Salt Lake City, UT
Keddie-Bieber, CA
Reno Junction-Reno, NV
Niles-San Jose, CA

Passenger trains of note:

California Zephyr (Chicago-Oakland)
Exposition Flyer (Chicago – Oakland)
Feather River Express (Oakland-Portola, CA)
Royal Gorge (Oakland-St. Louis, MO)
Scenic Limited (Oakland-St. Louis)
Zephyrette (Oakland-Salt Lake City) [RDC’s!]

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


THEME for the DAY! - THEME for the DAY!

[Anonymous]

And a happy Tuesday a.m. to all. Tom, I think a tall Grapefruit juice, Prune Danish and a cuppa Folger's, thanks. Terriffic stuff on the "TheCanadian," "Canadian," Maroon and Gray, Blue and Orange, Red and White, all Budd consists, and "all points stainless." Wouldn't it have been great to have the "where-with-all" to book a bedroom coast to coast on the dome/obsevation car? I understand it is still available if you want to "slap a second mortgage" on the ranch.[:O] The C.P./C.N map seemed to omit the Banff leg? Doug, best wishes on your move. Having survived nine (count 'em) bag, baggage, mattress on the car roof and baby grand piano moves, you have my sympathies. NO MORE!!! If obnoxious new neighbors become intolererable, I'll simply "blow 'em away." I prefer a 8 ft. by 10 ft. cell with 3 "squares" to another move. I guess our friends doing the "real deal" are gearing up for outdoor excursion events for the summer.[tup] I'm toying with the thought of dropping in on some that action near the Kcity, MO area this season. Tom and Pete, I hope this serves as "fair warning," even though El Capitan's traveling shoes may be well worn after his June excursion.[swg] Rob, let there be no "sack cloth and ashes" for procrastinating in the "attic." My efforts in the garage (HO) have come to a screeching halt. As of now, the Pike looks like Hiroshima August 7, 1945. Well, I'm late as it is, so must haul my carcass to the Library and thence to the "think tank."[V] Good luck Lars on the relief shift tomorrow. Of course Boris will be an invaluable assistant for...er...uh...Hmmm? "Bell bashing?" Happy rails to all and especially those I neglected to mention...my apologies.

[LoveDomes]

Good Morning!

Yes, an early morning visit from "The Lars Man!" Just a "test run" for tomorrow. [swg]

Checked out those late night posts from the "Count" and glad he's back on line. I agree, the place isn't quite the same without our "Bat Man!" [swg] I don't need to tell you just how FORTUNATE you are to be around to tell that story regarding the lightning strike. Nothing to fool with and surely something to be thankful for.

Enjoyed your piece on the HEP . . . educational and never hurts to reinforce the background info for us all. Thanx! [tup][tup][tup]

As always Tom, nice work with the "RR from Yesteryear" accompanied by your encore of the Fallen Flag for the Western Pacific! [tup][tup][tup]

My guess is that WP was best known for the California Zephyr which just happens to be my favorite of all U.S. streamliners. Operated by more than one road, this great train surely has a niche in North American passenger railroading lore.

A pix therefore is in order:

WP #881 Silver Crescent (from: www.trainweb.org)


Now, isn't that nice![?] [yeah][wow] Makes one just want to climb aboard and get 'er underway! [tup][tup][tup]

A bit early for my imbibing, so I'll stick with #3 from the breakfast menu, a tall OJ and some of those bisquits from the Mentor Bakery. Man, this coffee has a great taste! There are times when I wonder whether Boris has been washing his socks in the urn! [swg] Only kidding - we all know he doesn't wear any! [swg]

I see Doug 'n Ted made it in this morning - sorry I missed 'em and more sorry they missed your fine posts! They'll be back though and the nice thing about this way of communicating is that the material remains ready for viewing! Long live Kalmbach's Forums! [tup][tup][tup]

Dont' know how many of you follow baseball, much less my Mets, but they have been getting their "lumps" out on the left coast. Not only that, but one of our announcers, former big leaguer Keith Hernandez (you guys had him in St. Louis one time, huh[?]) opened his mouth and inserted foot regarding a comment about a woman in the dugoout. It's been all over the news and sports pages. You'd think there's nothing else going on . . . some people don't need a reason to over react. By the way, where and when did this politically correct crap begin[?] No - no - please don't tell me for I don't want to turn our "Classic Trains" thread into something it wasn't intended to be. We're supposed to "check baggage at the door" if I remember "Nick's House Rules" correctly! [tup]

On a more serious note, I received your morning e-mail and presume the rest of the guys have as well.

I will check back a bit later, if for no other reason than to see if my "bookend" has returned. Lookeee, lookeee, I beat him in! [yeah]


Until the next time!

Lars

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; thermos refill please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

It has been decreed that we shall do "lots of stuff outside" today - work stuff that is; so this will be quick one. I will acknowledge posts later.

My memories of the WP are pretty much of green and orange diesels in Nevada. At that time the WP was on its last legs before the resurrection by UP. A good source of information on the late days of the WP is Richard Saunders's book, Main Lines: Rebirth of the North American Railroads, 1970-2002. It has some editorial shortcomings, especially on some of the maps and his use of terms, but the story is well-told.

Here is a lkisting of Zepohyr equipment from the Dec. '69 ORG entry for WP.

Vista dome club observation sleeper
Sleepeing Cars
6 double bedrooms, 5 compartments
10 rtte/6 db
Vista-Dome Chair Cars
Vista Dome Buffet-Club Car (that's the one for me)
Dining Car (Dinner reservations)

Trains 17 and 18 will handle checked baggage (no dogs or pets) at San Francisco, Oakland, Fremont, Stockton, Sacramento, Marysville, Oroville, and Salt Lake City only on Western Pacific Railroad.

Following lines were still in service in addtion to the main line and the Inside Gateway

Portola-Reno Jct. - Reno
Fremont (Niles) Milpitas - San Jose (IIRC, this was abt. the last satnd of F units on the WP)
Loyalton Branch - Hawley-Loyalton
Tracy Branbch - Tracy to End of Branch
Tooele Branch - Burmeister to Warner
Ellerback Branch - Ellerbeck to Dolomite

Well, I gotta get out of here - truck's loading.

BTW, Tom, I got your e-mail and have replied to you.

work safe

[BudKarr]

Good Morning Captain Tom and all assembled!

Another return trip for me and quite a bit of catching up to do as well.

Your e-mail has been received - and an appropriate message whisked off as requested. Thank you for including me.

For Rob & Lars your e-maills have also been received and answered. Thank you.

I did notice the previous page full of Canadian Pacific and will be starting my review of material from this page - back. It works better for me that way. A new definition to the term assbackwards! [swg]

Not much to report regarding our most recent getaway, other than to say it was enjoyable, as always. Such a beautiful place to live and so many great sights to take in. I know the world does not stand still for any man, but for me - in this place and time - it seems so. [tup]

A round on me if you please Sir Barkeep! And I will have a Southern Comfort on the rocks then take my leave for a short whille.

Yes - "bookend" you beat me in today (finally!{ [swg]

BK

[siberianmo]

THEME for the DAY! - THEME for the DAY!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #62
first Posted on page 228

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the California Zephyr from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.


Luxurious comfort at economy saving fares in new VISTA-DOME chair coaches.

Feminine as a boudoir in the women’s lounge. Men’s lounges equally complete.

Enjoy delicious meals and personalized service in the California Zephyr’s beautiful dining car.

”SCENIC-WAY” TO CALIFORNIA

TAKE THE VISTA-DOME

CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR

Extra Pleasure * Extra Comfort * No Extra Fare

“Scenic way” is right!” Only the amazing new California Zephyr gives you the double thrill of riding the most wonderful train in the world right through America’s most wonderful scenery./ And what a way to see it! The new VISTA-DOME way! Now you can look ahead . . . look up . . . look down . .l . look everywhere . . . while you glide in luxurious comfort through the magnificent Colorado Rockies and Feather River Canyon in daylight hours . . . Utah and Nevada by starlight or moonlight. Your choice of low cost VISTA-DOME reclining chair coaches or new type Pullman accommodations, drawing rooms, bedrooms, roomettes and sections. Through sleeper daily between New York and San Francisco.

NEW, FASTER DAILY SCHEDULES

WESTBOUND (Read Down) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . EASTBOUND (Read Up)
. 3:30 PM Lv – Chicago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ar 1:30 PM
11:59 PM Lv – Omaha . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ar 4:55 AM
. 1:19 AM Lv – Lincoln . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ar 3:40 AM
. 8:40 AM Lv – Denver . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ar 7:00 PM

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Colorado Rockies . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. 1:53 PM Lv – Glenwood Springs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Lv 1:35 PM
10:25 PM Lv – Salt Lake City . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Lv 5:40 AM

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Feather River . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. 7:00-11:00 AM . . . . . . . . . . .Canyon . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2:00-6:00 PM
12:28 PM Lv – Sacramento . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Lv 12:50 PM
. 1:34 PM Ar – Stockton . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Lv 11:53 AM
. 4:00 PM Ar – Oakland . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Lv 9:44 AM
. 4:50 PM Ar – San Francisco . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Lv 9:00 AM

BURLINGTON * RIO GRANDE * WESTERN PACIFIC




Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]


THEME for the DAY! - THEME for the DAY!

[siberianmo]

G’day Gents!


Time again for some ‘small talk’ in the form of acknowledgments to those who visited thus far . . . .

By now I expect everyone has received my Email . . . . thanx to those who acknowledged receiving it and of course for following through . . . . [tup]


trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 21:55:04 & 22:35:56

Oh, you’ll “do” a hi-wire act, fer sure, fer sure! Never say never![swg] I’ll tell you all about my experience riding the “mechanical bull” down in Dallas way back when I was about 25 years younger. [swg] It’ll cost ya a Blue to hear it in full . . . .

As always, another ‘educational’ piece for us and I too appreciate the effort! [tup][tup][tup]


Theodorebear Ted
Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 08:02:55

Haven’t we traveled this road B4 with the “threat” of a visit to MO[?] Well, let ‘er rip – would love to have ya! As your plans get closer to reality, let’s hear about what you are proposing and I’m sure can all hook up.

There’s one thing about traveling by rail that we can always say we’ve done – and that is crossing Canada – both ways twice – in the drawing room suite (triple bedroom) of the Park observation dome car. Not quite coast to coast – but 3 days and 3 nights worth each way. A great experience and irregardless of the era, when aboard those Budd stainless steel beauties, it cudda been 1955 for all we cared! [tup][tup][tup]


LoveDomes Lars
Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 09:00:30

Got your Email and want you to know, don’t be overly concerned about the change of plans – things happen. We’ll continue along without our “Relief Bartender” until there’s a better time! [tup][tup] Just hope all works out well with this latest situation . . .

Appreciate the morning visit, added nicely to the “theme” and made the morning look “busy!” [swg]

The round is always appreciated as is your company. I have an Email en route . . .


coalminer3 CM3
Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 09:06:00

Appreciate the supplemental WP info and don’t recall viewing it . . . many pages ago, my guess. Anyway, fits right in.

This road was a favorite of our former customer, CFournier Chris and my guess is that he’s got some Posts on previous pages regarding the WP – just haven’t had the time (or inclination) to dig ‘em up . . .

Thanx for the quarters and round . . . we’ll find use for both! [swg][tup]


BudKarr BK
Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 11:12:27

My guess is that you’re having a bit of trouble figuring out whether you are coming or going, eh[?] [swg] Well, standby Mate – it only gets “better” once you’re married! [swg]<har, har, har, hee, hee, ho, ho>

Thanx for the round and enjoy your game of ‘catch up.’


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

[West Coast S]

[:D][:D] WP Tuesday !!...What's for lunch sir Tom? A plethora of WP trivia awaits all who frequent

In 1915 the idea was put forth by Rio Grande interest for a joint passenger operation, RG blocked west of Salt Lake by UP/CP interest forbiding additional construction or operations chose a second Gould interest , the recently constructed Western Pacific as the means to extend its reach to the Pacific Coast.

That year the Scenic Limited was ingurated with great fanfare, operated on the WP from Oakland to Salt Lake then conveyed to the RG for points east to a CB&Q connection to Chicago.
Concieved as a first class train, emphisis was placed on the scenery, and the respective railroads worked overtime promoting the new train, as they could not compete time wise with the rival carriers. Chronically desitute WP relied on RG and Pullman equiptment for several years until WP was in a finicial position to purchase cars of its own.

Due to the superior engineering of the WP, power no larger then a 2-8-0 or 4-6-0 was required to traverse the Feather River with the typical eight to ten car train and maintain the schedule.
In 1922 the Scenic was requipped with new Alco built passenger 2-8-0's and new Pullman sleepers and rebuilt former UP day coaches, In the summer tourist season the consists would be augmented by the addition of Rio Grande equiptment.

Though the flagship of both roads, it was not uncommon to detrain fisherman and similar outdoor types at selected locations throughout the canyon, WP maintained a hunting lodge outside Keddie until the depression ended such niceties. In a similar manner stops to pick up errant travelers were often common in the remote canyon regions.

Due to the dpression and sinking revenues the Scenic was discontinued in 1936, its duties being assumed by the Royal Gorge. With the outbreak of war in Europe in 1939, WP took notice of a request by the government that all railroads prepare for increased freight and passenger business in the foreseeable future. WP dug deep, and with federal loans envisioned a new train to be known as the Expedition Flyer. In 1938 the flyer made it's first run using the former Scenic Limiteds equiptment and augmented by long term Pullman leases and recieved an infusion of sixteen ex - Florida East Coast mountains, purchased with FRC loans for twelve thousand five hundred dollars per copy. These mountains were able to maintain the schedule of the longer consist now needed to generate revenue and were confined to passenger duty until the Zepher replacement, though rejected by the Florida East Coast for their light weight and modest tractive effort, to WP these mountains were a godsend, allowing passenger 2-8-0's to moved to assist with the ever increasing freight demands as the country awoke from the grip of the great depression.

In a darker note the Exposition Flyer factors into the only accident that occured with a passenger train. In September 1941, locomotive 83 a 1922 Alco 2-8-0 overran a stop signal west of Sunnol on the Altamont , returning light from a helper move, it collided head on with the Flyer, powered by 4-8-2 # 179 running at the posted 50mph speed limit with devastating consquences. Though no passengers were killed, three crew members lost their lives and both locomotives and head end cars were reduced to so much scrap metal by the force of the impact.

Shorty after the investigation was concluded, the Altamont became the first to have CTC installed, by this time the US was active in the war, and with operations on a ten minute headway WP had no desire to take chances. The Flyer continued well past it's target replacement date to assist with the crush of troops returning home, shortages and material restrictions at EMD and the car builders delayed the long awaited Zepher, a dream fostered by the WP ever since before the war. When the first Streamlined Zepher set entered service the era of the heavyweight, first class accomidations on the WP faded into history.

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War babies on the war path

In 1944, facing ever increasing demands and aging power not adquate for the task, WP resorted to leasing power from roads such as the SP, SF and UP whenever those roads could spare a few, still it was not enough..

WP sought relief from the War Production Board, which diverted six Lima GS-6's then under construction for the SP. Virtual copies of the earstwhile cousins, they arrived on the property in late 1944 as the 480 class. From the beginning it was obvious the WP was not impressed with the idea of maintaing and operating such a small diverse lot and they would prove expensive to operate as well.

Throught the remainder of the conflict they served as needed, one positive note was they were able to handle more tonnage then any other class, articulateds excepted and elimintated the practice of helpers wherever they ran. Soon after the first operations WP experienced complaints from engine crews of smoke engulfing the cab and restricting forward vision, odd ,the SP has no record of similar complaints with this similar locomotive. WP forces installed smoke wings to the front running boards to alleviate the problem and in the process made for a odd appearence .

By 1952 the WP was effectivitlely dieselized and the 480 class was among the first to meet the torch, being too foreign was the cause of their premature death sentence, except one that was sold to the SP as a parts engine and later scrapped by that road. By 1953 only one 480 class remained on the property in standby service, no calls for steam power were forthcoming as WP fully dieselized all road operations that year and by 1955 the boiler permits on the few remaining stored steam power were allowed to expire at which point they were cleared out as WP transioned into the diesel era and sought to remove steam service facalities as fast as possible.

Aquired out of desperation and unloved, unwanted , but able just the same, they provide a glimpse to WP in desperate times.

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WP excursion steam

With a management change in late 1955, the decision was made to preserve several historic steam locomotives, operation ws not in the plan. Only four perserved engines remain today,
4-6-0 #94 which pulled the first train into Oakland in 1910, 2-8-2 #338, 2-8-0 #28, 0-6-0 #12.

WP #94 & 338 factored into several excursions by sheer chance, after 1955, extensions were obtained on the permit time to conicide with several civic events being sponsored, both locomotives were the last shopped and in October 1956 #338 powered a NRHS and Pacific Coast Chapter sponsored excursion from Oakland to Oreville, on the return trip #338 suffered firing difficulties due to poor fuel and was removed at Stockton . The next days excusions were powered by the #94 with diesel assistance. The #338 never again operated and was retired for preservation in Rio Vista Ca.

Number 94 also served to represent the railroad prior to final retirement in 1961 she powered a heavyweight consist to Hearst, turned of the wye located there, dropped the cars and awaited the arrival of the California Zepher . She was placed ahead of the A-B-B-A power and lead the Zepher on the last leg to Oakland on the same day she ingurated service so many years before, #94 resides in Rio Vista and was operable and used for excursions on musem grounds into the late seventies, today she is on static display along with the #338 as a visible reminder of the glory years of WP steam.


Dave

[siberianmo]

G'day Dave!

Now THAT's a Post worth raving about! Where in the world have YOU been[?][?] The return of the "West Coast S Man" we used to enjoy so very much . . . great job and THANX for supporting our "theme for the day!" [tup][tup][tup]

I'm going to enjoy reading that Epistle of yours![swg]

Check your Email you have one 'special' awaiting you . . .

Catch ya later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]