Miningman1) Really interesting lash-ups like this really don't happen anymore. 4503--C630 4463--FPB-2 8773-- RS-18 All Alco/MLW
They do, you just have to use a lot more letters and numbers to describe locomotives that appear to be the same.
Trains, trains, wonderful trains. The more you get, the more you toot!
"The Black Prince!" I like that! As to why the freight black, I'm guessing it may have gotten to the status of "Just do enough to keep it alive and in one piece until the diesel replacement shows up."
Basic black certainly would have been a lot cheaper than the deluxe paint scheme it came with.
That Pacific with the abnormally short tender. In commuter service, maybe? I can't think of any other logical reason.
1) Really interesting lash-ups like this really don't happen anymore.
4503--C630 4463--FPB-2 8773-- RS-18 All Alco/MLW
4503_4463_8773 sitting on shop track at St.Luc. M6002-04 5/1968 September 14, 1969
Note the switch lamp sitting on the ground. This indicates switch has been run through, is spiked and cannot be realigned.
#2
Covered wagons 4042 in Script and 4095 Multimark. October 15, 1972
4042 FA2 MLW 77712 7/1951 and 4095 FPA2 MLW 79171 11/1953
#3. The Black Prince! The Dark Knight?
Manitoba District engine assigned to Winnipeg.It is the only known 2800 painted in freight black! Edmonton 1957. Painted at Weston shops in November 1956. Harold Ames/Dave Spiegelman Collection.
#4. CPR semi-streamlined a lot of locomotives in many types and classes, including 69 Mikados
P2g class 5405-5473. Built from July 1940 to the last one 5473 Oct. 1948
5410 posed rods-down. Likely new at Angus Shops. (No background is typical dark room work CPR photos).MLW 69280 8/1940 Bud Laws Collection
5414 Brand new just delivered from Montreal Locomotive Works. Outremont, Que. 8/20/1940James A. Brown Collection
#5. My locomotive of the month! A Pacific with a pepsqueek tender. Looks great!
Spotless 2512 with vestibule cab and original small tender. CPR 5/1907
G2c rebuilt 10/1925 with old boiler 200 lbs. and new 22 1/2" x 28" cyl.
That "Great Lakes Exposition" must have been a hell of a show!
And that looks like the "William Mason" at the head end of Mr. Lincoln's train!
Looks like the B&O was showing off the collection!
Miningman2) The Canadian National Exhibition, known as the CNE, is known for its spectacular entrances. Here is the very popular Dufferin Gate served by Streetcars. Historic photo from Monday, November 16, 1942 - Dufferin Gates with fan, Exhibition Park in CNE Dufferin Gates with fan, Exhibition Park Busy factories bring better times! Historic photo from 1932 - Dufferin St. Gate - Busy Factories Bring Better Times - illuminated sign in CNE Of course it's all too nice and good so we have to demolish it. Historic photo from 1958 - Demolition of 1910 CNE Dufferin Gates in CNE Demolition of CNE Dufferin
I feel your pain.
CSSHEGEWISCHWhat really happened was that you had two railroads (CNJ & LV) paralleling each other to an absurd extreme with both of them going after traffic that was barely enough to support one route, let alone two.
In all fairness, at the time the routes were 'built out' there was ample traffic for both. And perhaps more meaningfully, the prospects for traffic through that general area was much greater in the time of the Reading Combine (and, probably, in the expectations for the combined Reading/CNJ route north from the ABC area when the artificial depression that started with the killing of the Combine was over).
To the east, you can recognize both the end of the extensive passenger operations of CNJ and the substantial anthracite-related traffic (I believe those are 2-10-2s at lower left). I am not sure what kinds of coal traffic would have served the evolving steel mills in that region -- some considerable part of it likely bituminous, whether met coal or not -- but it would have been added to the traffic for heating fuel.
Meanwhile, the 'upper' end of the CNJ presence as CNP essentially ended not far above Wilkes-Barre, and I think connected preferentially up to the northeast, while the LV explicitly ran its traffic through to the lake port facilities around Buffalo. You see this clear difference in the power requirements actually used for the two lines.
I think it is important to recognize that the B&O/Reading/CNJ service on the "Bound Brook Route" (which involved the high-speed traffic from Philadelphia and Washington) is different from this CNJ plant. (Even so, this is the line that would host the relatively-amazing Bullet service in the early Thirties, part of which (in New Jersey) is the Phillipsburg line still in use today by NJT.)
Miningman What happened? Big Oil, Big Auto, Big Rubber, the military-industrial complex, buy now pay later, woe to those who don't play along and do their bidding.
What happened? Big Oil, Big Auto, Big Rubber, the military-industrial complex, buy now pay later, woe to those who don't play along and do their bidding.
It's the Jersey Central roundhouse.
I got aggressive on enlarging the image, went up to 225%, and in the lower left hand corner of the image there's a Camelback with the "Statue of Liberty" herald on the tender, and just to its left (our right) there's a large locomotive with what looks like "Reading" lettering on the tender. The Reading did use that CNJ facility.
And good Lord, all those Camelbacks! The place is swarming with them! Only the CNJ had that many Camels at that late date, post-1945.
And continuing the the Jersey Central vein, I found some short "teaser" videos of the CNJ operations in Pennsylvania. They're commercials for John Pechulis videos but interesting just the same. Volumes 1, 3, and 4 of "Along the Jersey Central." Volume 4 has footage of the Ashley Planes!
Volume 2 covers operations around Elizabeth and that part of Jersey, not germanine to this discussion, so I left that one out. Here you go...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BfIILYpsD8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttYCM_A-6D4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfzLmdKl5E4
The roundhouse story sort of thickens. Apparently the CNJ had a Roundhouse very similar nearby in Allentown.
Even Mike is not 100% convinced it's Lehigh Valley. Perhaps someone could identify a very specific locomotive type. There are many Camelbacks. I count 40 steam locomotives of various types in the photo.
I could be wrong, but there's a tourist railroad at Canyon City (I don't have the means to accent the "n" Spanish style. Sorry) and I'm guessing they bought those cars, and then didn't know what to do with 'em. Sad.
Impressive, that Lehigh Valley roundhouse! My, my, what was, and is no more. What happened?
OK I know what happened. But what happened?
Backshop and all! I have heard from Mike on the Roundhouse. It appears that is not CNJ at all but Lehigh Valley in the 30's.
Thanks Dude... Freudian slip...fixed it!
Backshop-- not sure but our resident Jersey nuts will know.. Overmod or Flintlock.
Miningman 1). Another paint scheme on the British Columbia Railway for its short lived 'Starlight' 1997-2002. Also an newly introduced sister train the 2001 'Whistler Northbound'. I suppose you could claim they were predecessors to the Rocky Mountaineer. So what happened to the equipment? Rotting away in Canon City, Colorado. https://abandonedplaygrounds.com/2019/01/21/the-pacific-starlight-abandoned-dinner-trains/
1). Another paint scheme on the British Columbia Railway for its short lived 'Starlight' 1997-2002. Also an newly introduced sister train the 2001 'Whistler Northbound'. I suppose you could claim they were predecessors to the Rocky Mountaineer.
So what happened to the equipment? Rotting away in Canon City, Colorado.
https://abandonedplaygrounds.com/2019/01/21/the-pacific-starlight-abandoned-dinner-trains/
Not northbound, Whistler Northwind:
http://www.trainweb.org/ultradomes/bcr/northwind.html
The glass-roofed cars were purchased by VIA Rail after the demise of all BC Rail passenger service, and were placed into service on the Skeena and Canadian (only between Vancouver and Edmonton). VIA calls them "Panorama" cars.
Most of those CAT-engined RS-18 rebuilds were sold to a scrapper by CN after the takeover. The scrapper then arranged to lease site space at the Alberta Railway Museum to cut them up. We never owned them, but were able to scavenge quite a few useful parts from them (this was before I started volunteering).
http://www.railpictures.ca/?attachment_id=8308
Greetings from Alberta
-an Articulate Malcontent
Is that CNJ in Allentown?
1). Another paint scheme on the British Columbia Railway for its short lived 'Starlight' 1997-2002. Also an newly introduced sister train the 2001 'Whistler Northwind'. I suppose you could claim they were predecessors to the Rocky Mountaineer.
2) The Canadian National Exhibition, known as the CNE, is known for its spectacular entrances. Here is the very popular Dufferin Gate served by Streetcars.
Dufferin Gates with fan, Exhibition Park
Of course it's all too nice and good so we have to demolish it.
3). Mess! Interurban mishap. 1952 near Racine Wisconsin on the North Shore.
4). Lehigh Valley Rounhouse and Turntable. Corrected from earlier misidentification . Plenty of Camelbacks in view. Back when they knew what they were doing. No Diesels, the invasion is yet to come.
Nice image. Busy place! Date and photographer unknown.
CNJ Roundhouse and Turntable
SD70DudeThe switcher/passenger car/cabooses shot is probably a yard transfer that has gathered up everything that needed to be moved at that particular time.
There are photos of CPR Passenger Trains west of Calgary with cabooses behind. During the peak summer season when both the Montreal and Toronto versions of "The Dominion" would have to be broken up into sections, and at the same time there was an imbalance of freight train crews at the far end of their trip, freight crews would work the passenger trains and bring their assigned cabooses home with them. This was quite common.
Freight crews would keep their passenger train uniforms with them. I saw this once even on the mixed train at Irricana when the conductor showed me his fancy hat he had in a cupboard in the caboose.
Bruce
So shovel the coal, let this rattler roll.
"A Train is a Place Going Somewhere" CP Rail Public Timetable
"O. S. Irricana"
. . . __ . ______
Thank You.
Sweden hand driving on the left up until December 1967, even though the cars SAAB's and Volvo's were built with steering wheels on the left. Accident rate went down for a couple of weeks after the transistion as most people were cautious about driving on the other side of the road.
Looked better back in the day. Many interesting buildings are gone such as the Rex Theatre. The clock on the corner must be gone too.
Did not know that Vancouver had left side driving. Keep your sword hand free I guess.
The switcher/passenger car/cabooses shot is probably a yard transfer that has gathered up everything that needed to be moved at that particular time.
Big Boys were originally designed to take a standard size train up grades without a helper, and then run with that same train at 60+ mph. But there were not enough of them built to completely eliminate helper operations, and once put into service UP realized they were more capable than originally thought, and and increased their tonnage ratings.
The heaviest train a Big Boy could haul on flatter territory would still require a helper on certain grades.
Or, perhaps the helper has been added to increase speed. There was a epic photo in the magazine several years ago of a 4-8-4 storming out of a station while leading three yellow E-units on a passenger train. The caption stated that the train was about one hour late (eek!), and the steam locomotive (with its extra crew) had been added to make up the time. You sure don't see that kind of dedication anymore!
Let's take those photos seriatim...
Photo 1. Hoboken Terminal! I was there back in the 90's for a C&O 614 excursion, Hoboken to Port Jervis, and it's an awesome place. Even more so when you think of all the history there, and who came and went over the years.
For more than you'd ever want to know about Hoboken Terminal check this out, and scroll down for a nine page photo essay. Click on the photos to enlarge.
http://www.subwaynut.com/njt/hoboken_terminal/index.php
Photo 2. Wow! Looks more like a photo-realist school painting than a photo, and a spectacular one at that!
Photo 3. Must be some kind of equipment move, from where they are to where they're needed, and look at the disparity in size between those two cabooses!
Photo 4. Wow, street running. It still exists in some parts of the country.
And Photo 5. That must be one HELL of a long freight train if a Big Boy needs an assist!
Lackawanna's Hoboken Terminal .. note the attention to detail. What a beautiful space.
2) It is truly remarkable how pictures turn out sometimes..this is way good!
3) Definitely not the Broadway but why 2 cabeese, or 1 for that matter. I know it's a switching move... but a caboose is required?
4) 0-6-0's chugging through the streets of Vancouver, an everyday scene back in the day. I recall scenes like this is Hamilton, on Ferguson Ave downtown.
CPR train crossing Hastings at Carrall, 1932
Source: Photo by William Stark, City of Vancouver Archives #Can N32
One more late addition: #5)
Assist up Sherman in 1957, a FEF and a Big Boy... interesting because we can do this very scene today ( doublestacks instead of reefers though)
And here she is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUd6lYNc_EE
Years back, a buddy and I drank Carling's Black Label all week long so we had a nice stock of those red cans for the weekend. Why, you ask?
They made great targets for our muzzleloading rifles! Redcoats 'ya know...
Ah, Miss MacDonald was a cutie! I wonder if she's related to Mike?
Reminds me of Black Label Mabel.
The Green Triangle, yes! So good! Luv the purple ' Hazelnut in Caramel' and the blue 'Coconut Eclair' but dang they are all good.
All boys in Canada grew up with this lassy.
Store window sticker.
Miningman Sorry about all that chaps... here have a Quality Street.
Sorry about all that chaps... here have a Quality Street.
My top three favorites are "The Green Triangle", Toffee Penny, and Orange Chocolate Crunch. Coconut Eclair is great too. I can't remember the rest, just pick them randomly when I got a box of it...
Jones 3D Modeling Club https://www.youtube.com/Jones3DModelingClub
I have seen Players and Rothman's in some tobacco shops down here, and I think I've seen Quality Street candies in some high-end candy shops.
Lady Firestorm prefers the British Cadbury's when she can find them, but the regular American market Cadburys usually suit her just fine. British Cadburys are one of the reasons she enjoyed trips to Newfoundland so much.
My late brother-in-law used to love those French Gitanes smokes, you know, the ones that smell like a burning rag pile?
A question that has no answer, why do tobacco shops smell so good, but burning tobacco never smells as good as the shop does?
I've never seen MacDonalds Exports, that's a new one on me.
No no, Agent Kid means MacDonalds Corp Export 'A' and Export. Long time sponsors of the curling championship The Briar, named after their famous tobacco. Also famous for the MacDonalds Girl logo, in her kilt.
Pretty sure not available stateside, however, some fine tobacco shops did carry Players and Rothmans.
I have 3 packs of unopened non filter Export from 8 years ago, the last time you could buy them. They were a big time powerful smoke but very smooth. Known widely as the 'green death'. Export 'A' is still available but all cigarettes up here must now be in plain packaging, all the same colour, no logos, a simple identifier, as is shown on the Export 'A' package. Social Engineers at work taking away freedoms.
After 85 years someone complained that the MacDonalds girl was too exploitive and sexist so they came up with just the face shot. There used to be huge billboards of her all over towns. Now she is gone completely.
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